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Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:EarwigBot" title="User:EarwigBot"><span style="color:#060;">EarwigBot</span></a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User:The_Earwig" title="User:The Earwig"><span style="color:#000;">operator</span></a> / <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Earwig" title="User talk:The Earwig"><span style="color:#000;">talk</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-The_Earwig-2013-01-19T22:11:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Earwig-2013-01-19T22:11:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Earwig-2013-01-19T22:11:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dispute_resolution_filed." data-mw-thread-id="h-Dispute_resolution_filed.-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dispute_resolution_filed.-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"></span>Dispute resolution filed.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dispute_resolution_filed.-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimTheFrog&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Dispute resolution filed."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z-Dispute_resolution_filed."></span>In order to determine whether the UltraViolet article should have a POV tag, or whether it should not, I filed for dispute resolution. Another issue to be discussed is whether the substantial source you gave and wrote would help to resolve the POV issue, or make it worse, if such an issue is deemed to exist. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:UltraViolet_(system)" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard">Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:UltraViolet_(system)</a> --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BurritoBazooka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BurritoBazooka (page does not exist)">BurritoBazooka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BurritoBazooka" title="User talk:BurritoBazooka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z-Dispute_resolution_filed." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z-Dispute_resolution_filed."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z-Dispute_resolution_filed."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"></span>Yes, you were looking in the wrong place.. in fact, I filed it in the wrong place (it shouldn't have been a dispute resolution, but something else). One of my concerns was whether I can use a source which was generated completely by someone deeply involved in the system (related to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFCITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFCITE">WP:SELFCITE</a>), and whether that could make the POV even worse. I'll do it anyway, later, when I have time (probably next week Sunday or so). If someone else sees harm, then it will be raised. Hopefully I can find some secondary sources. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BurritoBazooka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BurritoBazooka (page does not exist)">BurritoBazooka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BurritoBazooka" title="User talk:BurritoBazooka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-01-19T22:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"></span>Whether or not someone has intimate knowledge of a topic is not germane to POV. You're correct that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFCITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFCITE">WP:SELFCITE</a> would be an issue, which is exactly why I suggested that you or someone else were free to borrow/quote criticism from my FAQ, since that would then be a reference from someone other than the author. You might consider that I have contributed to the Wikipedia article about DVD, and I have written four books and the online FAQ about DVD, which are referenced by the Wikipedia article, but no one seems concerned that my contributions are suspect or a "shill" for anyone because of my long involvement with the companies that created the DVD format. <a href="/wiki/User:JimTheFrog" title="User:JimTheFrog">JimTheFrog</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T00:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T20:56:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I thought about what you wrote in the UV article talk page, and considering you're not exactly a PR organiser, but an intimate developer in the system (also, its related systems, and probably any future (and therefore better and more refined) system that comes from the same sources), there is less reason to deny your contributions regarding the subject. Wikipedia, if I recall correctly, encourages experts in their field to contribute. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BurritoBazooka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BurritoBazooka (page does not exist)">BurritoBazooka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BurritoBazooka" title="User talk:BurritoBazooka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T20:56:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T20:56:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T20:56:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"></span>btw, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dvddemystified.com">http://dvddemystified.com</a> looks parked. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BurritoBazooka&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BurritoBazooka (page does not exist)">BurritoBazooka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BurritoBazooka" title="User talk:BurritoBazooka">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z-JimTheFrog-2013-02-09T04:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-26T02:49:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the note about dvddemystified.com. I went to the URL and it said it was parked (which is bizarre, since it has been up and running for 16 years!). Then I went to GoDaddy and checked DNS info, which was correct. Then I went to dvddemystified.com again and the site showed up. I guess just opening up my GoDaddy account fixed some bug on their side. <a href="/wiki/User:JimTheFrog" title="User:JimTheFrog">JimTheFrog</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JimTheFrog#c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-26T02:49:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-26T02:49:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimTheFrog-2013-02-26T02:49:00.000Z-BurritoBazooka-2013-02-09T21:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimTheFrog&oldid=944525088">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JimTheFrog&oldid=944525088</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 8 March 2020, at 10:38<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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