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href="#Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Adding fields for constraints to the property proposal template</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Why there are no categories for properties?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Consensus about changing property constrains and source website?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#order_of_properties_on_page"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">order of properties on page</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Property_status_and_withdrawal"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Property status and withdrawal</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Definition"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Definition</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Versionize_property_definitions_?"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Versionize_property_definitions_?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Using nested properties in Wikipedia infoboxes</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z"></span>New page as part of documentation overhaul<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: New page as part of documentation overhaul"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thepwnco-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul"></span>Hi all, </p><p>I created this page as part of my work on a larger sitewide documentation overhaul (more info on this <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Documentation_Overhaul/Summary_and_Feedback" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Documentation Overhaul/Summary and Feedback">here</a>). </p><p>I still intend on moving the (now) duplicate content from <a href="/wiki/Help:Statements" title="Help:Statements">Help:Statements</a> as well as clarifying the language surrounding items/entities/entries/properties/etc in Wikidata on all other pages. </p><p>Please let me know if you have any suggestions on further improving this page. If you see something wrong (like a typo) or something that could be easily improved upon (like an example, confusing wording, or a label for a screenshot), <b>please just go ahead and fix it</b> - no need to comment here first! </p><p>Thanks. -<a href="/wiki/User:Thepwnco" title="User:Thepwnco">Thepwnco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thepwnco" title="User talk:Thepwnco"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-Thepwnco-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thepwnco-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thepwnco-2014-07-03T22:01:00.000Z-New_page_as_part_of_documentation_overhaul"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?" data-mw-thread-id="h-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z"><span id="symmetric_property_.3D_symmetric_property_constraint.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z"></span>symmetric property = symmetric property constraint?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: symmetric property = symmetric property constraint?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JakobVoss-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius"><bdi>Infovarius</bdi></a>: How do <a href="/wiki/Q18647518" title="Q18647518">symmetric property <small>(Q18647518)</small></a> and property constraint <a href="/wiki/Q21510862" title="Q21510862">symmetric constraint <small>(Q21510862)</small></a> differ? If they differ this should be documented with examples. If both are the same, I'd propose to delete <a href="/wiki/Q18647518" title="Q18647518">symmetric property <small>(Q18647518)</small></a>. Here is a common list of properties with any of both. -- <a href="/wiki/User:JakobVoss" title="User:JakobVoss">JakobVoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JakobVoss" title="User talk:JakobVoss"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-JakobVoss-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JakobVoss-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JakobVoss-2017-11-09T11:50:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:19:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1502159272">.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible{border:1px solid #BBBBBB}.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible pre{margin-top:2px}</style><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="k">DISTINCT</span> <span class="nv">?p</span> <span class="nv">?pLabel</span> <span class="nv">?pDescription</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">GROUP_CONCAT</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nv">?type</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="k">AS</span> <span class="nv">?types</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?p</span> <span class="nn">wdt</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P31</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q18647518</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">BIND</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="s">"instance"</span> <span class="k">AS</span> <span class="nv">?type</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">UNION</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?p</span> <span class="nn">wdt</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P2302</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q21510862</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">BIND</span> <span class="p">(</span><span class="s">"constraint"</span> <span class="k">As</span> <span class="nv">?type</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">SERVICE</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">label</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nn">bd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">serviceParam</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">language</span> <span class="s">"[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en"</span><span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">GROUP BY</span> <span class="nv">?p</span> <span class="nv">?pLabel</span> <span class="nv">?pDescription</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fp%20%3FpLabel%20%3FpDescription%20%28GROUP_CONCAT%28%3Ftype%29%20AS%20%3Ftypes%29%20%7B%0A%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%7B%20%3Fp%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ18647518%20.%20BIND%20%28%22instance%22%20AS%20%3Ftype%29%20%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%20%20%7B%20%3Fp%20wdt%3AP2302%20wd%3AQ21510862%20.%20BIND%20%28%22constraint%22%20As%20%3Ftype%29%20%7D%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fp%20%3FpLabel%20%3FpDescription"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Try it!</span></a> </div> <dl><dd>One is for properties and the other is for items. The one for properties is equivalent to owl:SymmetricProperty while the other isn't. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl">ChristianKl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:19:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:19:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:19:00.000Z-symmetric_property_=_symmetric_property_constraint?"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Adding fields for constraints to the property proposal template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Adding fields for constraints to the property proposal template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template"></span>With UI support of constraints, they take a more central role about defining what a property is about. As a result it would be good to have consensus about the constraints for a new property when it gets created. What do you think about adding corresponding fields to our template? <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl">ChristianKl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/></span></span> <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Properties/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Properties/Participants">WikiProject Properties</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Properties" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Properties">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead.</b></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-2017-11-12T13:21:00.000Z-Adding_fields_for_constraints_to_the_property_proposal_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"><span id="Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"></span>Why there are no categories for properties?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Why there are no categories for properties?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?"></span>It looks like there are no categories for properties. For example <a href="/wiki/Property:P3040" title="Property:P3040">SoundCloud ID</a> - <a href="/wiki/Property:P3258" title="Property:P3258">LiveJournal ID</a> - <a href="/wiki/Property:P2850" title="Property:P2850">iTunes artist ID</a>. They all fit in a category like "Musician properties". Is there any specific reason for not having categories for properties? -- <a href="/wiki/User:OneMusicDream" title="User:OneMusicDream">OneMusicDream</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OneMusicDream" title="User talk:OneMusicDream"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z-Why_there_are_no_categories_for_properties?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"></span>Yes, information is already recorded as <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> <a href="/wiki/Q27525351" title="Q27525351">Wikidata property related to music <small>(Q27525351)</small></a>. We tend to use statements to record information, not categories.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jklamo" title="User:Jklamo">Jklamo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jklamo" title="User talk:Jklamo"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z-OneMusicDream-2018-07-27T19:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T06:55:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jklamo" title="User:Jklamo"><bdi>Jklamo</bdi></a>: I see. And <a href="/wiki/Q28146956" title="Q28146956">Wikidata property to identify musical works</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:OneMusicDream" title="User:OneMusicDream">OneMusicDream</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OneMusicDream" title="User talk:OneMusicDream"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T06:55:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T06:55:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T06:55:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T20:05:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"></span>Indeed, it doesn't make sense to have categories. It is easy to forget to add a property into a category. But it's almost impossible not to apply them tags like "Wikidata property related to music" because that happens at the very moment when they are created. And then, those tags are better than categories. <a href="/wiki/User:OneMusicDream" title="User:OneMusicDream">OneMusicDream</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OneMusicDream" title="User talk:OneMusicDream"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T20:05:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T20:05:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OneMusicDream-2018-07-30T20:05:00.000Z-Jklamo-2018-07-28T23:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z"><span id="Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Consensus about changing property constrains and source website?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Consensus about changing property constrains and source website?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Datawiki30-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?"></span>Is there any best practice if somebody wants to change the "source website for the property" or the "property constraint" for a specific property? Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Datawiki30" title="User:Datawiki30">Datawiki30</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Datawiki30" title="User talk:Datawiki30"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-Datawiki30-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Datawiki30-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Datawiki30-2018-10-29T20:45:00.000Z-Consensus_about_changing_property_constrains_and_source_website?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="order_of_properties_on_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-order_of_properties_on_page-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-order_of_properties_on_page-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"></span>order of properties on page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-order_of_properties_on_page-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: order of properties on page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z-order_of_properties_on_page"></span>Hi, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6978" title="Property:P6978">Scandinavian middle family name <small dir="ltr">(P6978)</small></a>, which I proposed last December, has been accepted. Is there a way for this property to get sorted by default in between <a href="/wiki/Property:P735" title="Property:P735">given name <small dir="ltr">(P735)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name <small dir="ltr">(P734)</small></a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:1Veertje" title="User:1Veertje">1Veertje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1Veertje" title="User talk:1Veertje"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z-order_of_properties_on_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 4 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z-order_of_properties_on_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z-order_of_properties_on_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HenkvD-2019-07-04T21:42:00.000Z-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"></span>Vera, the property order is defined at <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties" title="MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties">MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties</a>. I suggest you propose your change on it's talkpage. <a href="/wiki/User:HenkvD" title="User:HenkvD">HenkvD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HenkvD" title="User talk:HenkvD"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-HenkvD-2019-07-04T21:42:00.000Z-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HenkvD-2019-07-04T21:42:00.000Z-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HenkvD-2019-07-04T21:42:00.000Z-1Veertje-2019-07-04T09:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Property_status_and_withdrawal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Property_status_and_withdrawal-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Property_status_and_withdrawal-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z"></span>Property status and withdrawal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Property_status_and_withdrawal-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Property status and withdrawal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toni_001-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z-Property_status_and_withdrawal"></span>Hi. Two questions which I did not find answers for on this help page: </p> <ol><li>Who sets the status of a proposed property to "ready"? Can the proposer do that or only a "property creator"?</li> <li>How can one withdraw a proposal? I would guess that the discussion should be archived somewhere.</li></ol> <p>Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Toni_001" title="User:Toni 001">Toni 001</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toni_001" title="User talk:Toni 001"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-Toni_001-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z-Property_status_and_withdrawal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toni_001-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z-Property_status_and_withdrawal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toni_001-2019-12-24T12:06:00.000Z-Property_status_and_withdrawal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Definition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Definition-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Definition-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z"></span>Definition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Definition-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Definition"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Cummings-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z-Definition"></span>Hi all </p><p>I've just changed the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary" title="Wikidata:Glossary">Wikidata:Glossary</a> term for property to the description on this page, here is the old one, maybe its helpful here somewhere </p><p>Property is the descriptor for a <a href="#Values">data value</a>, or some other relation or composite or possibly missing value, but not the data value or values themselves. Each <a href="#Statement">statement</a> at an <a href="#Item">item</a> page links to a property, and assigns the property one or several values, or some other relation or composite or possibly missing value. The property is stored on a page in the Property namespace, and includes a declaration of the <a href="#Datatypes">datatype</a> for the property values. Compared to <a href="#Linked_data">linked data</a>, the property represents a <a href="#Triplet">triplet</a>'s predicate. </p><p>Thanks </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cummings" title="User:John Cummings">John Cummings</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Cummings" title="User talk:John Cummings"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-John_Cummings-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z-Definition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Cummings-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z-Definition"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Cummings-2020-01-30T14:07:00.000Z-Definition"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Versionize_property_definitions_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Versionize_property_definitions_?-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z"><span id="Versionize_property_definitions_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Versionize_property_definitions_?-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Versionize_property_definitions_?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Versionize_property_definitions_?-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Versionize_property_definitions_?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jura1-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z-Versionize_property_definitions_?"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Versionize_property_definitions_?" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project_chat#Versionize_property_definitions_?</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help_talk:Properties#c-Jura1-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z-Versionize_property_definitions_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jura1-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z-Versionize_property_definitions_?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jura1-2020-02-17T05:21:00.000Z-Versionize_property_definitions_?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes-2020-10-05T20:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes-2020-10-05T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Using nested properties in Wikipedia infoboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes-2020-10-05T20:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Properties&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Using nested properties in Wikipedia infoboxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hogweard-2020-10-05T20:21:00.000Z-Using_nested_properties_in_Wikipedia_infoboxes"></span>(It's the wrong terminology, but I do not know what the right word is.) </p><p>I have started using data in infoboxes in <i>ang:</i>, which has few active editors so the Wikidata will be invaluable in keeping the data in infoboxes up to date and the boxes short. If I develop the Infobox for royalty, for example: </p> <ul><li>There is no problem filling in this way "image" {{#property|P18}}, or "date of birth" {{#property|P560}}</li> <li>However I cannot work out how to do regnal dates: the property used for the start of the reign is 'P580' and end 'P582' but those are just "start time" and "end time" and can only be read in the context of the period to which they refer (say <a href="/wiki/Q18810062" title="Q18810062">Q18810062</a>). 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