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The week in which this happened: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist" style="display:inline-block"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Top_25_Report/October_27_to_November_2,_2013" title="Wikipedia:Top 25 Report/October 27 to November 2, 2013">October 27 to November 2, 2013</a></li></ul></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Typical_caveat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Typical_caveat-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Typical_caveat-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Typical caveat<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Typical_caveat-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Typical caveat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wetman-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z-Typical_caveat"></span>the text about the Catholic holiday comes from An Old Unnameable Source whose copyright has now expired. I've attempted to verify the information in it and determine if it's still relevant, but may have missed something important. So please feel free to update, clarify, expand, refactor, etc. --KQ </p> <hr/> <p>Among Christianized feasts, I've cut " <a href="/wiki/Lupercalia" title="Lupercalia">Lupercalia</a> Christianized as <a href="/wiki/Candlemas" title="Candlemas">Candlemas</a>" because the entry <a href="/wiki/Candlemas" title="Candlemas">Candlemas</a> clearly explains how Candlemas follows Christmas by 40 days, thus falling or not falling near Lupercalia by accident, depending on when Christmas is observed. These Christianized feasts are bones of contention with various Christianists, so Wikipedia needs to be fastidiously careful here. <a href="/wiki/User:Wetman" title="User:Wetman">Wetman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Wetman-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z-Typical_caveat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 23 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wetman-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z-Typical_caveat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wetman-2004-05-23T15:59:00.000Z-Typical_caveat"></span> </p> <dl><dd>I agree, Wetman. I think "Christianize" may be the wrong term, as festivals like Easter and Christmas have Christian origin, and only the dates and some symbols of the pagan holiday have been co-opted. I think it is somewhat inappropriate to say that these festivals have pagan origin. I do not, however, feel the same about holidays that clearly do have a pagan origin, but were later blessed by the church. Any comment on my change to the link to Easter is welcome. I found it semantically incorrect to claim that Christians all over the world celebrate Pascha and not Easter, since this is not an English word (at least not a common one), and Easter and Pascha are basically the same holiday. I consider this somewhat similar to saying "In Mexico, they do not drive cars -- they drive <i>coches</i>" <a href="/wiki/User:ThePedanticPrick" title="User:ThePedanticPrick">ThePedanticPrick</a> 01:34, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd> <dd>We agree, I think, that when fundamental aspects of <a href="/wiki/Saturnalia" title="Saturnalia">Saturnalia</a> are applied to <a href="/wiki/Christmas" title="Christmas">Christmas</a>, and when Christmas supplants Saturnalia in the calendar, to say that Saturnalia has been "Christianized" is a perfectly frank way of expressing what has been co-opted. In a similar fashion, the former Christian feast of All Saints covered needs formerly catered to by the <a href="/wiki/Lemuria" title="Lemuria">Lemuria</a> and the "modern" one moved to November 1 occupies <a href="/wiki/Samhain" title="Samhain">Samhain</a>. To suppress any reference to Samhain and treat the November 1 date as merely coincidental, is to follow a Roman catholic hard line. We don't have to do that at Wikipedia. "<a href="/wiki/Christianization" title="Christianization">Christianize</a>" may be the "wrong" term, but it is an accurate and honest one. (Those opinionated remarks about Easter that you removed were certainly not mine! Good riddance to distracting blather, says me.)</dd></dl> <p><br/> From “Lives of saints, from the Book of Lismore” [an early 15th Gaelic century manuscript]: “fo.67 a, i. A piece entitled Scél na samhna (the story of All Saints Day). </p><p>Begins: [skipping Irish text] A certain emperor, named Phocas, assumed the Roman’s realm. Every year at samáin (All Saints day) a great assembly was held by him in Rome. This was right, for the samain was the chief solemnity of the heathen at that time, for all the gods of the world, from east to west (lit. from sunrise to sunset), were worhsipped on that day. </p><p>It then related how the Pantheon (‘dommus omnium deorum, .i.i tegduis na n-uili dhee’) was given to Boniface, and dedicated by him to all the saints. Compare the piece entitled Fagail na Samna in the Bibliotheque Nationale, Celt. Et B.1 fo. 15 b, 2.” Bernard. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Link_suggestions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Link_suggestions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Link_suggestions"></span><a href="/wiki/User:LinkBot/suggestions/All_Saints" title="User:LinkBot/suggestions/All Saints">Link suggestions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Link_suggestions"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Link suggestions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>An <a href="/wiki/User:LinkBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:LinkBot">automated Wikipedia link suggester</a> has some possible wiki link suggestions for the <a href="/wiki/All_Saints" class="mw-disambig" title="All Saints">All_Saints</a> article, and they have been placed on <a href="/wiki/User:LinkBot/suggestions/All_Saints" title="User:LinkBot/suggestions/All Saints">this page</a> for your convenience.<br/><i>Tip:</i> Some people find it helpful if these suggestions are shown on this talk page, rather than on another page. To do this, just add {{User:LinkBot/suggestions/All_Saints}} to this page. — <a href="/wiki/User:LinkBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:LinkBot">LinkBot</a> 10:27, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_Title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_Title-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_Title-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Article Title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_Title-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Article Title"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z-Article_Title"></span>Should this article not be retitled "All Saints Day" to avoid confusion? The article about the similar All Souls Day does include the "day" in the article title. One of these should be renamed. </p> <dl><dd>"All Saints" is broader than "All Saints Day." Is the new opening better? --<a href="/wiki/User:Wetman" title="User:Wetman">Wetman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z-Article_Title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 9 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z-Article_Title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z-Article_Title"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-93.97.113.174-2012-01-08T07:21:00.000Z-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"></span>I agree with the OP - it should be filed under All Saints' Day for consistency <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.97.113.174" title="Special:Contributions/93.97.113.174">93.97.113.174</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:93.97.113.174&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:93.97.113.174 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-93.97.113.174-2012-01-08T07:21:00.000Z-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-93.97.113.174-2012-01-08T07:21:00.000Z-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-93.97.113.174-2012-01-08T07:21:00.000Z-Wetman-2005-05-09T22:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Definitions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Definitions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Definitions"></span>Definitions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Definitions"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Definitions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>If I'm not mistaken, "hollow" refers to a spirit, in the will-o'-wisp sense, and "mas" has several different meanings depending on where it comes from. I'm not confident enough in my knowledge to make the changes needlessly, though. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="'Hallows'" data-mw-thread-id="h-'Hallows'-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"><span id=".27Hallows.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-'Hallows'-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"></span>'Hallows'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-'Hallows'-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: 'Hallows'"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z-'Hallows'"></span>Re: "'hallow' meaning 'holy,' and 'mas' meaning 'Mass'" </p><p>I am no linguist, but Prof. Gardner's introduction to the Poems of Gerard Manley Hopkins describes how the poet "revived with profit a few obsolete native forms such as <i>hallows</i> (saints)". I think 'Hallows' for 'Saints' makes slightly more sense than 'Hallows' for 'Holy' as above (and far more so than 'Hollows' for 'Spirits' as suggested on the talk page) given that the feast in question was once known as 'All Hallows' but now as 'All Saints'.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dogbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dogbox (page does not exist)">Dogbox</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z-'Hallows'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z-'Hallows'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z-'Hallows'"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JHvW-2013-12-30T13:36:00.000Z-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"></span>I would agree, I would go even further. All Hallows usually means All Saints, which can be seen in <a href="/wiki/Halloween" title="Halloween">Halloween</a>, a contraction of All Hallows Evening, the eve of All Hallows. I think the problem lies in <a href="/wiki/Semantics" title="Semantics">semantics</a>. All Hallows factually means all that is Holy. In Western Christianity this means all the Saints and Angels, which are are referred to as All Hallows. The feast of All Hallows and All Souls is referred to as Hallowmas, just as the feast around the birth of Christ is referred to as Christmas.<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JHvW" title="User talk:JHvW">JHvW</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-JHvW-2013-12-30T13:36:00.000Z-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JHvW-2013-12-30T13:36:00.000Z-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JHvW-2013-12-30T13:36:00.000Z-Dogbox-2006-10-30T22:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'" data-mw-thread-id="h-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z"><span id=".27Celebrations_in_Central_Europe.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z"></span>'Celebrations in Central Europe'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 'Celebrations in Central Europe'"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-209.6.23.78-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'"></span>The article says that in Poland, Germany, and Lithuania, All Saint's Day is when people visit cemeteries. However, the All Soul's Day article suggests that it is All Soul's Day (there is even a link to an article with the Polish name of the holiday). I believe that All Soul's Day (Nov. 2) is correct in this case. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:209.6.23.78&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:209.6.23.78 (page does not exist)">209.6.23.78</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-209.6.23.78-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)</a>BK<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-209.6.23.78-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-209.6.23.78-2006-11-01T01:40:00.000Z-'Celebrations_in_Central_Europe'"></span> </p><p>Actually, people visit cemeteries and light candles on both days, some even before or after November 1 and November 2. All Saints' Day is more significant, however, since it is an official holiday. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="As_a_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-As_a_name-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-As_a_name-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z"></span>As a name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-As_a_name-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: As a name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casiraghitrio-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z-As_a_name"></span>Would someone add to this article an explanation about how 'Todos los Santos' (All Saints) is used by the King of Spain's grandchildren? I would appreciate it. This is something I have long wondered about. I think an explanation about the reason for the use, the tradition behind it, and what members of the royal family have it, would be a good place to start. --<a href="/wiki/User:Casiraghitrio" title="User:Casiraghitrio">Ashley Rovira</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Casiraghitrio-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z-As_a_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casiraghitrio-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z-As_a_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casiraghitrio-2007-03-14T18:16:00.000Z-As_a_name"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Official_Name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Official_Name-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Official_Name-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z"></span>Official Name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Official_Name-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Official Name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrArticleOne-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z-Official_Name"></span>I know that this occasion is known as the Solemnity of All Saints in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. I am uncomfortable changing this because the religious holiday is observed in other religious communities I know less about. However, it is definitely not a Feast, but a Solemnity, in the Catholic Church. <a href="/wiki/User:MrArticleOne" title="User:MrArticleOne">MrArticleOne</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-MrArticleOne-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z-Official_Name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrArticleOne-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z-Official_Name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrArticleOne-2007-11-05T17:32:00.000Z-Official_Name"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z"></span>Narrowing of those who celebrate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Narrowing of those who celebrate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Willthacheerleader18-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate"></span>The Following Sentence: "In terms of Western Christian theology, the day commemorates all those who have attained the beatific vision in heaven." Would better read: "In terms of Western Roman Catholic theology, the day commemorates all those who have attained the beatific vision in heaven." It is not celebrated in Protestantism, and to the best of my knowledge is not celebrated in other branches of Christendom. There may be some very minor exceptions, but at this point, it is less accurate than it would be with my suggested revision. </p> <dl><dd>Actually, All Saints is celebrated on the liturgical calenders of the <a href="/wiki/Anglican" class="mw-redirect" title="Anglican">Anglican</a> and <a href="/wiki/Lutheran" class="mw-redirect" title="Lutheran">Lutheran</a> churches, and many parishes of the <a href="/wiki/United_Methodist_Church" title="United Methodist Church">United Methodist Church</a> also have a special service for the day. --<a href="/wiki/User:Willthacheerleader18" title="User:Willthacheerleader18">Willthacheerleader18</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Willthacheerleader18" title="User talk:Willthacheerleader18">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Willthacheerleader18-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Willthacheerleader18-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Willthacheerleader18-2010-10-22T02:51:00.000Z-Narrowing_of_those_who_celebrate"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ancient_Pagan_Observation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z"><span id="Ancient_Pagan_Observation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Ancient Pagan Observation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Ancient Pagan Observation?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ambrosiaster-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?"></span>This article states with certainty that "<i>the chosen day, May 13, was a pagan observation of great antiquity, the culmination of three days of the Feast of the Lemures, in which the malevolent and restless spirits of the dead were propitiated.</i>" However, other secular sources, such as the Encyclopedia Britannica, contest this claim by stating that "<i>The origin of All Saints' Day cannot be traced with certainty, and it has been observed on various days in different places.</i>" To me, it seems like a secular attack on Catholicism to claim that the celebration of All Saints' Day <i>definitively</i> originated from a pagan festival. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ambrosiaster" title="User:Ambrosiaster">Ambrosiaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ambrosiaster" title="User talk:Ambrosiaster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Ambrosiaster-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ambrosiaster-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ambrosiaster-2010-10-31T20:12:00.000Z-Ancient_Pagan_Observation?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""also_called_All_Hallows"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"also_called_All_Hallows"-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z"><span id=".22also_called_All_Hallows.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"also_called_All_Hallows"-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z"></span>"also called All Hallows"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"also_called_All_Hallows"-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: "also called All Hallows""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z-"also_called_All_Hallows""></span>I understand that this title was used in the past, but I don't think it is every called this any more in a living usage. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Richardson_mcphillips&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Richardson mcphillips (page does not exist)">Richardson mcphillips</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richardson_mcphillips" title="User talk:Richardson mcphillips">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Richardson_mcphillips" title="Special:Contributions/Richardson mcphillips">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Richardson_mcphillips-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z-"also_called_All_Hallows"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z-"also_called_All_Hallows""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2010-11-01T18:43:00.000Z-"also_called_All_Hallows""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Requested move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Requested move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-2012-08-13T08:35:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the proposal was <b>Moved article to more specific name, disambiguation-page to simple-name</b>. No evidence that the more general term is the commonname for the topic; evidence that there are many meanings (even if some more popular than others, too diverse and no evidence to support what primarytopic would be), so a more specific or proper name is the natural DAB approach. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-DMacks-2012-08-13T08:35:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-2012-08-13T08:35:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-2012-08-13T08:35:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/All_Saints" class="mw-disambig" title="All Saints"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unreal7-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>All Saints</a> → <a href="/wiki/All_Saints%27_Day" title="All Saints' Day">All Saints' Day</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/All_Saints_(group)" title="All Saints (group)">All Saints (group)</a> → <a href="/wiki/All_Saints" class="mw-disambig" title="All Saints">All Saints</a></li></ul> <p>– This article is about All Saints' Day, and so that is the title which most of the English-speaking world (and possibly some other parts) will expect to find. I have always heard it referred to by this name. Additionally, All Saints are a girlband who were successful all over the world for many years and are known worldwide as well. As the last two months' wikitraffic shows, they are a much more common target than that of the feast day and the Australian TV drama. Add on All Saints (band) and you get an extra 3,261. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Unreal7" title="User:Unreal7">Unreal7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unreal7" title="User talk:Unreal7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Unreal7-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unreal7-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unreal7-2012-08-03T20:55:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>Page</th> <th>Hits this month and last </th></tr> <tr> <td>All Saints (group)</td> <td><b>27,358</b> plus <b>3,261</b> for All Saints (band) - in total <b>30,619</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td>All Saints</td> <td><b>13,860</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td>All Saints (TV series)</td> <td><b>7,748</b> </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li><b>Support/Oppose</b> Support moving the day to "All Saints' Day". Oppose moving the pop-group. The disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/All_Saints_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="All Saints (disambiguation)">All Saints (disambiguation)</a> should be moved to the short name instead. "All Saints" weren't all that successful, unlike PCD or Spice Girls, unless you lived in Britain. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.65.131.160" title="Special:Contributions/76.65.131.160">76.65.131.160</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:76.65.131.160" title="User talk:76.65.131.160">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unreal7-2012-08-04T14:59:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, over 10 million record sales isn't very successful... A lot of those sales weren't in Britain. <a href="/wiki/User:Unreal7" title="User:Unreal7">Unreal7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unreal7" title="User talk:Unreal7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Unreal7-2012-08-04T14:59:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unreal7-2012-08-04T14:59:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unreal7-2012-08-04T14:59:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnQuébécois-2012-08-04T20:52:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC">WP:PRIMARYTOPIC</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:UnQu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UnQuébécois">Education does not equal common sense.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnQu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois" title="User talk:UnQuébécois">我不在乎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-UnQuébécois-2012-08-04T20:52:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnQuébécois-2012-08-04T20:52:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnQuébécois-2012-08-04T20:52:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vik-Thor-2012-08-06T01:17:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Support/Oppose</b> With as many pages are on the disambig page, it makes sense to me to have the disambiguation page be the primary page. The holy day should be at <a href="/wiki/All_Saints_Day" class="mw-redirect" title="All Saints Day">All Saints Day</a> (Would the disambig page need to be added to the list of move pages?) --<a href="/wiki/User:Vik-Thor" title="User:Vik-Thor">VikÞor</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vik-Thor" title="User talk:Vik-Thor">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Vik-Thor-2012-08-06T01:17:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vik-Thor-2012-08-06T01:17:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vik-Thor-2012-08-06T01:17:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatGallacher-2012-08-06T22:51:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span>Back</b> earlier support/oppose proposals. <a href="/wiki/User:PatGallacher" title="User:PatGallacher">PatGallacher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatGallacher" title="User talk:PatGallacher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-PatGallacher-2012-08-06T22:51:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatGallacher-2012-08-06T22:51:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatGallacher-2012-08-06T22:51:00.000Z-76.65.131.160-2012-08-04T05:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""All_saints_day"_is_a_stolen_pagan_tradition" data-mw-thread-id="h-"All_saints_day"_is_a_stolen_pagan_tradition"><span id=".22All_saints_day.22_is_a_stolen_pagan_tradition"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"All_saints_day"_is_a_stolen_pagan_tradition"></span>"All saints day" is a stolen pagan tradition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"All_saints_day"_is_a_stolen_pagan_tradition"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: "All saints day" is a stolen pagan tradition"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>"All saints day" is a stolen pagan tradition. People in Russia were even bringing their food to the graves of their relatives. The calendar cycles in Slavic are called Godi; at the times before Saints there were Godi (="Years") of Bogi (Gods). So literally "Gods" (cycles). </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Date" data-mw-thread-id="h-Date-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Date-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Date<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Date-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Date"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JHvW-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z-Date"></span>In the article the date of All Hallows Day or All Saints Day is described as: </p> <dl><dd>All Saints' Day (also known as All Hallows, Solemnity of All Saints or The Feast of All Saints) is a solemnity celebrated on 2 November by the Catholic Church, and on the first Sunday after Pentecost in Eastern Catholicism, in honour of all the saints, known and unknown. All Saints' Day is the second day of Hallowmas, and begins at sunrise on the first day of November and finishes at sundown. It is the day before All Souls' Day.</dd></dl> <p>Surely this means that All Saints Day is celebrated on November 1st in the Catholic Church and not November 2nd as suggested. I was brought up that November 1st was All Saints Day and November 2nd was All Souls Day (the second and third day of Hallowmas). November 1st is also consistent with the text under the heading "In the West": </p> <dl><dd>The Catholic holiday of All Saints' Day falls on 1 November, followed by All Souls' Day on 2 November, and is a Holy Day of Obligation in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.</dd></dl> <p>There is another small point. The text under the picture in the customs section. The caption reads "All Saints' Day at a cemetery in Sanok - flowers and light candles to honour the memory of deceased relatives. Poland, 1 November 2011". I think what is meant is All Souls day because of the reference to "deceased relatives" (unless they were Saints of course). It has been remarked before that for those who are not brought up in this tradition, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between All Hallows and All Souls. Even the customs seem te differ locally. Because I am not an expert I will not change the article but I think it should be looked at because IMHO this is not factually correct. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JHvW" title="User talk:JHvW">JHvW</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-JHvW-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z-Date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 17 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JHvW-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z-Date"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JHvW-2013-11-17T10:19:00.000Z-Date"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain" data-mw-thread-id="h-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z"><span id="All_Saints_Day_didn.27t_fall_on_Samain"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z"></span>All Saints Day didn't fall on Samain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: All Saints Day didn't fall on Samain"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.196.44.23-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain"></span>In regard to "This fell on the Celtic holiday of Samhain, which had a theme similar to the Roman festival of Lemuria, but which was also a harvest festival. The Irish, having celebrated Samhain in the past, did not celebrate All Hallows Day on this 1 November date, as extant historical documents attest that the celebration in Ireland took place in the spring: "...the Felire of Oengus and the Martyrology of Tallaght prove that the early medieval churches [in Ireland] celebrated the feast of All Saints on April 20."[12]" </p><p>I have looked up Hutton's references and find nothing to support his suggestion. John Dowden's "The Church Year and Kalendar", 1910, makes no mention of the Irish Martyrologies. Thurston's and Attwater's edition of "Butler's Live of the Saints:, 1956, just mention that "... on April 20 a feast " of all the Saints of the whole of Europe ". As the Tallaght text phrases it, this day is the ' communis sollemnitas omnium sanctorum et virginum Hiberniae et Britanniae et totius Europae '". </p><p>No argument is presented for conclusion that "Felire of Oengus and the Martyrology of Tallaght prove that the early medieval churches [in Ireland] celebrated the feast of All Saints on April 20." spanish is a cool language. </p><p>So it is wrong to associate the new 'All Saints of all parts of the world' on November 1st with the Irish 'All Saints of Whole Europe' on April 20th. </p><p>For in the later ‘Martyrology of Oengus’,'All Saints of Whole Europe'remains, while 'All Saints of Africa' has been removed and 'Samain' used by the Irish as the name of the feast of All Saints of the whole of Europe' has been added. April 20th: Noeb n-Eorpa uile ("Saints of the whole of Europe") November 1st: Samain, which outside of Irish Literature for Samain is always . Within the literature it is the start of winter (identified by early non-Celtic Christians as November 1st) or once 'caisc na ngente'. </p><p>The 12th century Drummond Kalendar still has the celebration of 'All Saints of Europe' with the celebration of 'All Saints Days of all part of the world': April 20th: Romar, sollempnitas Omnium Sanctorum totius Europae. November 1st: Festivitas Omnium Sanctorum </p><p>"This fell on the Celtic holiday of Samhain, which had a theme similar to the Roman festival of Lemuria, but which was also a harvest festival. The Irish, having celebrated Samhain in the past, did not celebrate All Hallows Day on this 1 November date, as extant historical documents attest that the celebration in Ireland took place in the spring: "...the Felire of Oengus and the Martyrology of Tallaght prove that the early medieval churches [in Ireland] celebrated the feast of All Saints on April 20."[12]" </p><p>The statement then is false for justifying with the wrong All Saints day was on April 20th and so the entry in Felire Oengus of Samain is not a reference to ‘All Saints Day [of all parts of the world]’. Hutton is still correct that Fraser is wrong for the notion that the 'November' date was chosen because of 'Celtic' influences. He just needed a better argument. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.196.44.23" title="Special:Contributions/68.196.44.23">68.196.44.23</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.196.44.23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.196.44.23 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-68.196.44.23-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.196.44.23-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.196.44.23-2013-12-01T19:42:00.000Z-All_Saints_Day_didn't_fall_on_Samain"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Missing_picture?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Missing_picture?-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z"><span id="Missing_picture.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Missing_picture?-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Missing picture?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Missing_picture?-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Missing picture?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-130.243.171.115-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z-Missing_picture?"></span>Christ is enthroned in heaven surrounded by the ranks of angels and saints. At the bottom is Paradise with the bosom of Abraham (left), and the Good Thief (right). </p><p>Text box was f-up, seems like a picture is missing though? Maybe this text segment should go. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/130.243.171.115" title="Special:Contributions/130.243.171.115">130.243.171.115</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:130.243.171.115&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:130.243.171.115 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-130.243.171.115-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z-Missing_picture?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-130.243.171.115-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z-Missing_picture?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-130.243.171.115-2013-12-15T15:55:00.000Z-Missing_picture?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="50_days?" data-mw-thread-id="h-50_days?-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z"><span id="50_days.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-50_days?-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z"></span>50 days?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-50_days?-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: 50 days?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z-50_days?"></span>In this "In the late spring, the Sunday following Pentecost Saturday (50 days after Easter)" the 50 days is confusing. Pentecost Sunday is 50 days after Easter, so Pentecost Saturday is 56 days after, and the Sunday following Pentecost Saturday is 57 days. What is meant? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Richardson_mcphillips&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Richardson mcphillips (page does not exist)">Richardson mcphillips</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richardson_mcphillips" title="User talk:Richardson mcphillips">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Richardson_mcphillips-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z-50_days?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 30 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z-50_days?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richardson_mcphillips-2016-10-30T02:48:00.000Z-50_days?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z"></span>Confusion over date and alternative names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Confusion over date and alternative names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-51.52.8.222-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names"></span>Currently the article begins "All Saints Day, celebrated the day before and not to be confused with All Hallows' Day, Hallowmas, Feast of All Saints, or Solemnity of All Saints ...". Surely this is wrong. All Saints is the same as All Hallows. It is celebrated on 1 November, the day after All Hallows Eve (Halloween) and the day before All Souls day. See the Wikipedia disambiguation page for "All Hallows", which says that it is another name for All Saints Day, and the second paragraph of the article in which clearly treats All Saints and All Hallows as the same thing. </p><p>Maybe it should say ""All Saints Day, also known as All Hallows' Day, Hallowmas, Feast of All Saints, or Solemnity of All Saints, and celebrated the day before and not to be confused with All Souls Day, ...". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/51.52.8.222" title="Special:Contributions/51.52.8.222">51.52.8.222</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:51.52.8.222&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:51.52.8.222 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-51.52.8.222-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-51.52.8.222-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-51.52.8.222-2018-10-31T11:50:00.000Z-Confusion_over_date_and_alternative_names"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Confusing_description" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confusing_description-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confusing_description-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Confusing description<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confusing_description-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Confusing description"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Confusing_description"></span>The second sentence of the article "Its intent is to celebrate all the saints, including those who are no longer celebrated, or are not celebrated individually, either..." is logically impossible, either a saint is or is not celebrated. Suggestion: "including those who are no longer celebrated individually, either...". <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jumtist&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jumtist (page does not exist)">Jumtist</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jumtist&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jumtist (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Confusing_description" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Confusing_description"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z-Confusing_description"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medusahead-2021-10-13T10:51:00.000Z-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for hinting to that point. I tried to fix that to the "usual" definition and added a source.--<a href="/wiki/User:Medusahead" title="User:Medusahead">Medusahead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Medusahead" title="User talk:Medusahead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Medusahead-2021-10-13T10:51:00.000Z-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medusahead-2021-10-13T10:51:00.000Z-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medusahead-2021-10-13T10:51:00.000Z-Jumtist-2021-10-09T19:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Meaning_of_the_term_Saint" data-mw-thread-id="h-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z"></span>Meaning of the term Saint<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Meaning of the term Saint"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Medusahead-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint"></span>As the comment on this sailed away too early: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Saints%27_Day&type=revision&diff=1052995938&oldid=1052995244">[1]</a> The explanation „whether they are known or unknown“ just correspondingly says that it could refer to any Christian who has been holy in his lifetime and is in the eternal joy with God, but we (here on earth) didn't know he or she was holy, but God knows. A saint is a saint whether canonised or not, and he or she can be anyone. In fact, anyone could desire to become a saint. --<a href="/wiki/User:Medusahead" title="User:Medusahead">Medusahead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Medusahead" title="User talk:Medusahead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:All_Saints%27_Day#c-Medusahead-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 1 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Medusahead-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Medusahead-2021-11-01T08:45:00.000Z-Meaning_of_the_term_Saint"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Featured_picture_scheduled_for_POTD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Featured_picture_scheduled_for_POTD-2022-06-13T02:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Featured_picture_scheduled_for_POTD-2022-06-13T02:06:00.000Z"></span>Featured picture scheduled for POTD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Featured_picture_scheduled_for_POTD-2022-06-13T02:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:All_Saints%27_Day&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Featured picture scheduled for POTD"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-2022-06-13T02:06:00.000Z-Featured_picture_scheduled_for_POTD"></span>Hello! 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In the 9th century, some churches in the <a href="/wiki/British_Isles" title="British Isles">British Isles</a> began holding the commemoration of all saints on 1 November, and in the 9th century this was extended to the whole Catholic church by <a href="/wiki/Pope_Gregory_IV" title="Pope Gregory IV">Pope Gregory IV</a>. In <a href="/wiki/Western_Christianity" title="Western Christianity">Western Christianity</a>, it is still celebrated on 1 November by the <a href="/wiki/Latin_Church" title="Latin Church">Roman Catholic Church</a> as well as many Protestant churches, as the <a href="/wiki/Lutheranism" title="Lutheranism">Lutheran</a>, <a href="/wiki/Anglicanism" title="Anglicanism">Anglican</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Methodism" title="Methodism">Methodist</a> traditions. This view of the Holy Cross Cemetery in <a href="/wiki/Gniezno" title="Gniezno">Gniezno</a>, Poland, shows candles and flowers placed to honour deceased relatives on All Saints' Day. It is observed as a public and bank holiday in Poland, the following day also being commemorated in the country as <a href="/wiki/Zaduszki" title="Zaduszki">Zaduszki</a> (All Souls' Day). </p> <p style="text-align:center;"><small>Photograph credit: <a href="/wiki/User:Poco_a_poco" title="User:Poco a poco">Diego Delso</a></small></p> <div style="text-align:right;"> Recently featured: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline nowraplinks"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:POTD/2023-10-31" title="Template:POTD/2023-10-31"><i>Juniperus brevifolia</i></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:POTD/2023-10-30" title="Template:POTD/2023-10-30">Fumarole mineral</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:POTD/2023-10-29" title="Template:POTD/2023-10-29">Louis Blanc</a></li></ul> </div></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist noprint nowraplinks" style="text-align:right;"> 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