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Why then do you treat us with contempt? Weren&#8217t we the first to speak of bringing back our king?&#8221 But the men of Judah pressed their claims even more forcefully than the men of Israel. <a href="/nlt/2_samuel/19.htm">New Living Translation</a> “But there are ten tribes in Israel,” the others replied. “So we have ten times as much right to the king as you do. What right do you have to treat us with such contempt? Weren’t we the first to speak of bringing him back to be our king again?” The argument continued back and forth, and the men of Judah spoke even more harshly than the men of Israel. <a href="/esv/2_samuel/19.htm">English Standard Version</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, “We have ten shares in the king, and in David also we have more than you. Why then did you despise us? Were we not the first to speak of bringing back our king?” But the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/bsb/2_samuel/19.htm">Berean Standard Bible</a> “We have ten shares in the king,” answered the men of Israel, “so we have more claim to David than you. Why then do you despise us? Were we not the first to speak of restoring our king?” But the men of Judah spoke more fiercely than the men of Israel. <a href="/kjv/2_samuel/19.htm">King James Bible</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/nkjv/2_samuel/19.htm">New King James Version</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, “We have ten shares in the king; therefore we also have more right to David than you. Why then do you despise us—were we not the first to advise bringing back our king?” Yet the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/nasb_/2_samuel/19.htm">New American Standard Bible</a> But the men of Israel answered the men of Judah and said, “We have ten parts in the king, therefore we also have more claim on David than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt? Was it not our advice first to bring back our king?” Yet the words of the men of Judah were harsher than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/nasb/2_samuel/19.htm">NASB 1995</a> But the men of Israel answered the men of Judah and said, &#8220We have ten parts in the king, therefore we also have more claim on David than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt? Was it not our advice first to bring back our king?&#8221 Yet the words of the men of Judah were harsher than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/nasb77/2_samuel/19.htm">NASB 1977 </a> But the men of Israel answered the men of Judah and said, “We have ten parts in the king, therefore we also have more claim on David than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt? Was it not our advice first to bring back our king?” Yet the words of the men of Judah were harsher than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/lsb/2_samuel/19.htm">Legacy Standard Bible </a> But the men of Israel answered the men of Judah and said, “We have ten parts in the king, therefore we also have more claim on David than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt? Was it not our word first to have our king return?” Yet the words of the men of Judah were harsher than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/amp/2_samuel/19.htm">Amplified Bible</a> Then the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, “We have ten [tribes’] shares in the king, and we have more claim on David than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt and ignore us [by rushing ahead]? Were we not the first to speak of bringing back our king?” But the words of the men of Judah were harsher than those of the men of Israel. <a href="/csb/2_samuel/19.htm">Christian Standard Bible</a> The men of Israel answered the men of Judah, “We have ten shares in the king, so we have a greater claim to David than you. Why then do you despise us? Weren’t we the first to speak of restoring our king? ” But the words of the men of Judah were harsher than those of the men of Israel. <a href="/hcsb/2_samuel/19.htm">Holman Christian Standard Bible</a> The men of Israel answered the men of Judah: &#8220We have 10 shares in the king, so we have a greater claim to David than you. Why then do you despise us? Weren&#8217t we the first to speak of restoring our king?&#8221 But the words of the men of Judah were harsher than those of the men of Israel. <a href="/asv/2_samuel/19.htm">American Standard Version</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/cev/2_samuel/19.htm">Contemporary English Version</a> Those from Israel said, "King David belongs to us ten times more than he belongs to you. Why didn't you think we were good enough to help you? After all, we were the first ones to think of bringing him back!" The people of Judah argued more strongly than the people of Israel. <a href="/erv/2_samuel/19.htm">English Revised Version</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king; and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/gwt/2_samuel/19.htm">GOD'S WORD® Translation</a> The people of Israel answered the people of Judah, "We have ten times your interest in the king and a greater claim on David than you have. Why, then, do you despise us? Weren't we the first to suggest bringing back our king?" But the people of Judah spoke [even] more harshly than the people of Israel. <a href="/gnt/2_samuel/19.htm">Good News Translation</a> The Israelites replied, "We have ten times as many claims on King David as you have, even if he is one of you. Why do you look down on us? Don't forget that we were the first to talk about bringing the king back!" But the men of Judah were more violent in making their claims than the men of Israel. <a href="/isv/2_samuel/19.htm">International Standard Version</a> But the men from Israel answered the men from Judah: "We represent ten of the tribes of Israel! So we have more right to David than you do! Why haven't you taken us seriously? Weren't we the first to talk about bringing back our king?" But what the people of Judah had to say was harsher than what the people of Israel were saying. <a href="/net/2_samuel/19.htm">NET Bible</a> The men of Israel replied to the men of Judah, "We have ten shares in the king, and we have a greater claim on David than you do! Why do you want to curse us? Weren't we the first to suggest bringing back our king?" But the comments of the men of Judah were more severe than those of the men of Israel. <a href="/nheb/2_samuel/19.htm">New Heart English Bible</a> Then the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, "We have ten shares in the king, and we are the firstborn rather than you. Why then did you treat us with contempt? Were we not the first to speak of bringing back our king?" But the comments of the men of Judah were more forceful than the comments of the men of Israel. <a href="/wbt/2_samuel/19.htm">Webster's Bible Translation</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel.<div class="vheading2">Majority Text Translations</div><a href="/msb/2_samuel/19.htm">Majority Standard Bible</a> “We have ten shares in the king,” answered the men of Israel, “so we have more claim to David than you. Why then do you despise us? Were we not the first to speak of restoring our king?” But the men of Judah spoke more fiercely than the men of Israel. <a href="/web/2_samuel/19.htm">World English Bible</a> The men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, “We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more claim to David than you. Why then did you despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king?” The words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <div class="vheading2">Literal Translations</div><a href="/lsv/2_samuel/19.htm">Literal Standard Version</a> And the men of Israel answer the men of Judah, and say, “We have ten parts in the king, and also more than you in David; and why have you lightly esteemed us, that our word has not been first to bring back our king?” And the word of the men of Judah is sharper than the word of the men of Israel. <a href="/ylt/2_samuel/19.htm">Young's Literal Translation</a> And the men of Israel answer the men of Judah, and say, 'Ten parts we have in the king, and also in David more than you; and wherefore have ye lightly esteemed us, that our word hath not been first to bring back our king?' And the word of the men of Judah is sharper than the word of the men of Israel. <a href="/slt/2_samuel/19.htm">Smith's Literal Translation</a> And the man Israel will answer the man Judah, and say, Ten hands to me in the king, and also in David I above thee: and wherefore didst thou make light of me? and was not my word first to me to turn back my king? And the word of the man Judah will will be hard above the word of the man Israel.<div class="vheading2">Catholic Translations</div><a href="/drb/2_samuel/19.htm">Douay-Rheims Bible</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Juda, and said: I have ten parts in the king more than thou, and David belongeth to me more than to thee: why hast thou done me a wrong, and why was it not told me first, that I might bring back my king? And the men of Juda answered more harshly than the men of Israel. <a href="/cpdv/2_samuel/19.htm">Catholic Public Domain Version</a> And the men of Israel responded to the men of Judah, and said: “I have the greater amount, ten parts, with the king, and so David belongs to me more so than to you. Why have you caused me injury, and why was it not announced to me first, so that I might lead back my king?” But the men of Judah answered more firmly than the men of Israel. <a href="/nabre/2_samuel/19.htm">New American Bible</a> The Israelites answered the Judahites: “We have ten shares in the king. Also, we are the firstborn rather than you. Why do you slight us? Were we not first to speak of restoring our king?” Then the Judahites in turn spoke even more fiercely than the Israelites. <a href="/nrsvce/2_samuel/19.htm">New Revised Standard Version</a> But the people of Israel answered the people of Judah, “We have ten shares in the king, and in David also we have more than you. Why then did you despise us? Were we not the first to speak of bringing back our king?” But the words of the people of Judah were fiercer than the words of the people of Israel.<div class="vheading2">Translations from Aramaic</div><a href="/lamsa/2_samuel/19.htm">Lamsa Bible</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than you; why then did you go ahead of us? We should have been the first to bring back the king. And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/hpbt/2_samuel/19.htm">Peshitta Holy Bible Translated</a> They of the house of Israel answered and they were saying to those of the house of Yehuda: “We also have ten parts with King David more than you. Why did you leave us? For it was proper that we would be first to return the King!” And the word of the house of Yehuda was stronger than the word of the house of Israel <div class="vheading2">OT Translations</div><a href="/jps/2_samuel/19.htm">JPS Tanakh 1917</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said: 'We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye; why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king?' And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel. <a href="/sep/2_samuel/19.htm">Brenton Septuagint Translation</a> And the men of Israel answered the men of Juda, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we are older than you, we have also an interest in David above you: and why have ye thus insulted us, and why was not our advice taken before that of Juda, to bring back our king? And the speech of the men of Juda was sharper than the speech of the men of Israel. <a href="/parallel/2_samuel/19-43.htm">Additional Translations ...</a></div></div></div><div id="centbox"><div class="padcent"><a name="audio" id="audio"></a><div class="vheadingv">Audio Bible</div><iframe width="100%" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_0ajZHUzMKw?start=6030" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe> <div class="vheadingv">Context</div><a href="/bsb/2_samuel/19.htm">Contention over the King</a> …42And all the men of Judah replied to the men of Israel, “We did this because the king is our relative. Why does this anger you? Have we ever eaten at the king’s expense or received anything for ourselves?” 43<a href="/hebrew/6235.htm" title="6235: ‘e·śer- (Number-fsc) -- Ten. Masculine of term aasarah; from asar; ten.">“We have ten</a> <a href="/hebrew/3027.htm" title="3027: yā·ḏō·wṯ (N-fp) -- Hand (indicating power, means, direction, etc.)">shares</a> <a href="/hebrew/lî (Prep:: 1cs) -- "></a> <a href="/hebrew/4428.htm" title="4428: ḇam·me·leḵ (Prep-b, Art:: N-ms) -- King. From malak; a king.">in the king,”</a> <a href="/hebrew/853.htm" title="853: ’eṯ- (DirObjM) -- Apparent contracted from 'owth in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly, self."></a> <a href="/hebrew/6030.htm" title="6030: way·ya·‘an (Conj-w:: V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms) -- To answer, respond.">answered</a> <a href="/hebrew/376.htm" title="376: ’îš- (N-msc) -- Man. Contracted for 'enowsh; a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term.">the men</a> <a href="/hebrew/3478.htm" title="3478: yiś·rā·’êl (N-proper-ms) -- From sarah and 'el; he will rule as God; Jisrael, a symbolical name of Jacob; also of his posterity.">of Israel,</a> <a href="/hebrew/376.htm" title="376: ’îš (N-msc) -- Man. Contracted for 'enowsh; a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term."></a> <a href="/hebrew/3063.htm" title="3063: yə·hū·ḏāh (N-proper-ms) -- From yadah; celebrated; Jehudah, the name of five Israelites; also of the tribe descended from the first, and of its territory."></a> <a href="/hebrew/559.htm" title="559: way·yō·mer (Conj-w:: V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms) -- To utter, say. A primitive root; to say."></a> <a href="/hebrew/1571.htm" title="1571: wə·ḡam- (Conj) -- Also, moreover, yea. ">“so we have more claim</a> <a href="/hebrew/589.htm" title="589: ’ă·nî (Pro-1cs) -- I. Contracted from 'anokiy; I."></a> <a href="/hebrew/1732.htm" title="1732: bə·ḏā·wiḏ (Prep-b:: N-proper-ms) -- Perhaps beloved one, a son of Jesse. Rarely; Daviyd; from the same as dowd; loving; David, the youngest son of Jesse.">to David</a> <a href="/hebrew/4480.htm" title="4480: mim·mə·ḵā (Prep:: 2ms) -- From. Or minniy; or minney; for men; properly, a part of; hence, from or out of in many senses.">than you.</a> <a href="/hebrew/4069.htm" title="4069: ū·mad·dū·a‘ (Conj-w:: Interrog) -- Why? for what reason?. Or madduaa; from mah and the passive participle of yada'; what known?; i.e. why?.">Why</a> <a href="/hebrew/7043.htm" title="7043: hĕ·qil·lō·ṯa·nî (V-Hifil-Perf-2ms:: 1cs) -- To be slight, swift or trifling. A primitive root; to be light, literally Or figuratively.">then do you despise us?</a> <a href="/hebrew/3808.htm" title="3808: wə·lō- (Conj-w:: Adv-NegPrt) -- Not. Or lowi; or loh; a primitive particle; not; by implication, no; often used with other particles.">Were we not</a> <a href="/hebrew/1961.htm" title="1961: hā·yāh (V-Qal-Perf-3ms) -- To fall out, come to pass, become, be. A primitive root; to exist, i.e. Be or become, come to pass."></a> <a href="/hebrew/7223.htm" title="7223: ri·šō·wn (Adj-ms) -- Former, first, chief. Or riishon; from ri'shah; first, in place, time or rank.">the first</a> <a href="/hebrew/lî (Prep:: 1cs) -- "></a> <a href="/hebrew/1697.htm" title="1697: ḏə·ḇā·rî (N-msc:: 1cs) -- Speech, word. From dabar; a word; by implication, a matter or thing; adverbially, a cause.">to speak</a> <a href="/hebrew/7725.htm" title="7725: lə·hā·šîḇ (Prep-l:: V-Hifil-Inf) -- A primitive root; to turn back transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively; generally to retreat; often adverbial, again.">of restoring</a> <a href="/hebrew/853.htm" title="853: ’eṯ- (DirObjM) -- Apparent contracted from 'owth in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly, self."></a> <a href="/hebrew/4428.htm" title="4428: mal·kî (N-msc:: 1cs) -- King. From malak; a king.">our king?”</a> <a href="/hebrew/376.htm" title="376: ’îš (N-msc) -- Man. Contracted for 'enowsh; a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term.">But the men</a> <a href="/hebrew/3063.htm" title="3063: yə·hū·ḏāh (N-proper-ms) -- From yadah; celebrated; Jehudah, the name of five Israelites; also of the tribe descended from the first, and of its territory.">of Judah</a> <a href="/hebrew/7185.htm" title="7185: way·yi·qeš (Conj-w:: V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms) -- To be hard, severe or fierce. A primitive root; properly, to be dense, i.e. Tough or severe.">pressed even harder</a> <a href="/hebrew/1697.htm" title="1697: də·ḇar- (N-msc) -- Speech, word. From dabar; a word; by implication, a matter or thing; adverbially, a cause."></a> <a href="/hebrew/1697.htm" title="1697: mid·də·ḇar (Prep-m:: N-msc) -- Speech, word. From dabar; a word; by implication, a matter or thing; adverbially, a cause.">than</a> <a href="/hebrew/376.htm" title="376: ’îš (N-msc) -- Man. Contracted for 'enowsh; a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term.">the men</a> <a href="/hebrew/3478.htm" title="3478: yiś·rā·’êl (N-proper-ms) -- From sarah and 'el; he will rule as God; Jisrael, a symbolical name of Jacob; also of his posterity.">of Israel.</a> <div class="cred"><a href="//berean.bible">Berean Standard Bible</a> · <a href="//berean.bible/downloads.htm">Download</a></div> <a name="crossref" id="crossref"></a><div class="vheading">Cross References</div><div id="crf"><a href="/1_kings/12-16.htm">1 Kings 12:16</a> When all Israel saw that the king had refused to listen to them, they answered the king: “What portion do we have in David, and what inheritance in the son of Jesse? To your tents, O Israel! Look now to your own house, O David!” So the Israelites went home, <a href="/judges/8-1.htm">Judges 8:1</a> Then the men of Ephraim said to Gideon, “Why have you done this to us? Why did you fail to call us when you went to fight against Midian?” And they contended with him violently. <a href="/judges/12-1.htm">Judges 12:1-6</a> Then the men of Ephraim assembled and crossed the Jordan to Zaphon. They said to Jephthah, “Why have you crossed over to fight the Ammonites without calling us to go with you? We will burn your house down with you inside!” / But Jephthah replied, “My people and I had a serious conflict with the Ammonites, and when I called, you did not save me out of their hands. / When I saw that you would not save me, I risked my life and crossed over to the Ammonites, and the LORD delivered them into my hand. Why then have you come today to fight against me?” ... <a href="/1_kings/12-1.htm">1 Kings 12:1-20</a> Then Rehoboam went to Shechem, for all Israel had gone there to make him king. / When Jeroboam son of Nebat heard about this, he was still in Egypt where he had fled from King Solomon and had been living ever since. / So they sent for Jeroboam, and he and the whole assembly of Israel came to Rehoboam and said, ... <a href="/2_samuel/20-1.htm">2 Samuel 20:1-2</a> Now a worthless man named Sheba son of Bichri, a Benjamite, happened to be there, and he blew the ram’s horn and shouted: “We have no share in David, no inheritance in Jesse’s son. Every man to his tent, O Israel!” / So all the men of Israel deserted David to follow Sheba son of Bichri. But the men of Judah stayed by their king all the way from the Jordan to Jerusalem. <a href="/1_kings/11-31.htm">1 Kings 11:31-35</a> and said to Jeroboam, “Take ten pieces for yourself, for this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Behold, I will tear the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and I will give you ten tribes. / But one tribe will remain for the sake of My servant David and for the sake of Jerusalem, the city I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel. / For they have forsaken Me to worship Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the Ammonites. They have not walked in My ways, nor done what is right in My eyes, nor kept My statutes and judgments, as Solomon’s father David did. ... <a href="/1_kings/11-26.htm">1 Kings 11:26-28</a> Now Jeroboam son of Nebat was an Ephraimite from Zeredah whose mother was a widow named Zeruah. Jeroboam was a servant of Solomon, but he rebelled against the king, / and this is the account of his rebellion against the king. Solomon had built the supporting terraces and repaired the gap in the wall of the city of his father David. / Now Jeroboam was a mighty man of valor. So when Solomon noticed that the young man was industrious, he put him in charge of the whole labor force of the house of Joseph. <a href="/1_kings/12-21.htm">1 Kings 12:21-24</a> And when Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mobilized the whole house of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin—180,000 chosen warriors—to fight against the house of Israel and restore the kingdom to Rehoboam son of Solomon. / But the word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God: / “Tell Rehoboam son of Solomon king of Judah, all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and the rest of the people ... <a href="/2_chronicles/10-16.htm">2 Chronicles 10:16-19</a> When all Israel saw that the king had refused to listen to them, they answered the king: “What portion do we have in David, and what inheritance in the son of Jesse? To your tents, O Israel! Look now to your own house, O David!” So all the Israelites went home, / but Rehoboam still reigned over the Israelites living in the cities of Judah. / Then King Rehoboam sent out Hadoram, who was in charge of the forced labor, but the Israelites stoned him to death. And King Rehoboam mounted his chariot in haste and escaped to Jerusalem. ... <a href="/2_chronicles/11-1.htm">2 Chronicles 11:1-4</a> When Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mobilized the house of Judah and Benjamin—180,000 chosen warriors—to fight against Israel and restore the kingdom to Rehoboam. / But the word of the LORD came to Shemaiah the man of God: / “Tell Rehoboam son of Solomon king of Judah and all the Israelites in Judah and Benjamin ... <a href="/john/7-41.htm">John 7:41-42</a> Others declared, “This is the Christ.” But still others asked, “How can the Christ come from Galilee? / Doesn’t the Scripture say that the Christ will come from the line of David and from Bethlehem, the village where David lived?” <a href="/john/7-52.htm">John 7:52</a> “Aren’t you also from Galilee?” they replied. “Look into it, and you will see that no prophet comes out of Galilee.” <a href="/acts/15-1.htm">Acts 15:1-2</a> Then some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” / And after engaging these men in sharp debate, Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. <a href="/acts/15-7.htm">Acts 15:7-11</a> After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. / And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. / He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith. ... <a href="/acts/15-36.htm">Acts 15:36-41</a> Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the brothers in every town where we proclaimed the word of the Lord, to see how they are doing.” / Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark. / But Paul thought it best not to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not accompanied them in the work. ...</div> <a name="tsk" id="tsk"><div class="vheading">Treasury of Scripture</div>And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than you: why then did you despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel.We have<a href="/2_samuel/20-1.htm">2 Samuel 20:1,6</a> And there happened to be there a man of Belial, whose name was Sheba, the son of Bichri, a Benjamite: and he blew a trumpet, and said, We have no part in David, neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to his tents, O Israel… <a href="/1_kings/12-16.htm">1 Kings 12:16</a> So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.ten parts<a href="/2_samuel/5-1.htm">2 Samuel 5:1</a> Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.<a href="/proverbs/13-10.htm">Proverbs 13:10</a> Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.despise us [heb] set us at light <a href="/2_samuel/19-9.htm">2 Samuel 19:9,14</a> And all the people were at strife throughout all the tribes of Israel, saying, The king saved us out of the hand of our enemies, and he delivered us out of the hand of the Philistines; and now he is fled out of the land for Absalom… <a href="/galatians/5-20.htm">Galatians 5:20,26</a> Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, … <a href="/philippians/2-3.htm">Philippians 2:3</a> Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.the words<a href="/judges/8-1.htm">Judges 8:1</a> And the men of Ephraim said unto him, Why hast thou served us thus, that thou calledst us not, when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? And they did chide with him sharply.<a href="/judges/9-23.htm">Judges 9:23</a> Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:<a href="/judges/12-1.htm">Judges 12:1-6</a> And the men of Ephraim gathered themselves together, and went northward, and said unto Jephthah, Wherefore passedst thou over to fight against the children of Ammon, and didst not call us to go with thee? we will burn thine house upon thee with fire… <div class="vheading">Jump to Previous</div><a href="/2_samuel/17-7.htm">Advice</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-22.htm">David</a> <a href="/2_samuel/12-14.htm">Despise</a> <a href="/habakkuk/1-8.htm">Fiercer</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-20.htm">First</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-42.htm">Israel</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-42.htm">Judah</a> <a href="/1_samuel/24-3.htm">Parts</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-28.htm">Right</a> <a href="/2_samuel/18-15.htm">Ten</a> <a href="/2_samuel/14-33.htm">Words</a><div class="vheading2">Jump to Next</div><a href="/2_samuel/20-18.htm">Advice</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-1.htm">David</a> <a href="/nehemiah/2-19.htm">Despise</a> <a href="/habakkuk/1-8.htm">Fiercer</a> <a href="/2_samuel/21-9.htm">First</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-1.htm">Israel</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-2.htm">Judah</a> <a href="/1_kings/6-38.htm">Parts</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-9.htm">Right</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-3.htm">Ten</a> <a href="/2_samuel/20-17.htm">Words</a><div class="vheading2">2 Samuel 19</div>1. <a href="/2_samuel/19-1.htm">Joab causes the king to cease his mourning</a> 9. <a href="/2_samuel/19-9.htm">The Israelites are earnest to bring the king back</a> 11. <a href="/2_samuel/19-11.htm">David sends to the priest to incite them of Judah</a> 18. <a href="/2_samuel/19-18.htm">Shimei is pardoned</a> 24. <a href="/2_samuel/19-24.htm">Mephibosheth excused</a> 32. <a href="/2_samuel/19-32.htm">Barzillai dismissed, and Chimham his son taken into the king's family</a> 41. <a href="/2_samuel/19-41.htm">The Israelites expostulate with Judah for bringing home the king without them</a> </div></div><div id="mdd"><div align="center"><div class="bot2"><table align="center" width="100%"><tr><td><div align="center"> <script id="3d27ed63fc4348d5b062c4527ae09445"> (new Image()).src = 'https://capi.connatix.com/tr/si?token=51ce25d5-1a8c-424a-8695-4bd48c750f35&cid=3a9f82d0-4344-4f8d-ac0c-e1a0eb43a405'; </script> <script id="b817b7107f1d4a7997da1b3c33457e03"> (new Image()).src = 'https://capi.connatix.com/tr/si?token=cb0edd8b-b416-47eb-8c6d-3cc96561f7e8&cid=3a9f82d0-4344-4f8d-ac0c-e1a0eb43a405'; </script>  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-2'> </div>  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-0' style='max-width: 300px;'> </div>  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-3'> </div>  <div id='div-gpt-ad-1529103594582-1' style='max-width: 300px;'> </div>  <div align="center" id='div-gpt-ad-1531425649696-0'> </div> <ins class="adsbygoogle" style="display:inline-block;width:200px;height:200px" data-ad-client="ca-pub-3753401421161123" data-ad-slot="3592799687"></ins> <script> (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); </script> </div> </td></tr></table></div></div></div><div id="combox"><div class="padcom"><a name="study" id="study"></a><div class="vheading"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="99%" valign="top"><a href="/study/2_samuel/19.htm">Study Bible</a></td><td width="1%" valign="top"><a href="/study/2_samuel/" title="Book Summary and Study">Book ◦</a> <a href="/study/chapters/2_samuel/19.htm" title="Chapter summary and Study">Chapter </a></tr></table></div>We have ten shares in the king The men of Israel refer to the ten northern tribes, emphasizing their numerical superiority over Judah. This reflects the historical division between the northern and southern tribes, which later becomes more pronounced in the split of the united monarchy into Israel and Judah. The "ten shares" symbolize their greater stake in the kingdom, suggesting a sense of entitlement and expectation of influence.answered the men of Israel The men of Israel are responding to the men of Judah, highlighting the ongoing tension and rivalry between the tribes. This tension is rooted in historical and cultural differences, as well as competition for political power and favor with the king.so we have more claim to David than you The claim to David is based on the idea of shared heritage and loyalty. The men of Israel argue that their larger numbers give them a greater right to influence David's kingship. This reflects the broader theme of tribal identity and loyalty in the Old Testament, where lineage and tribal affiliation often determined one's role and status.Why then do you despise us? The question reveals a sense of grievance and perceived injustice. The men of Israel feel slighted and undervalued, which is a recurring theme in the relationship between the northern and southern tribes. This sentiment foreshadows the eventual division of the kingdom after Solomon's reign.Were we not the first to speak of restoring our king? This statement suggests that the men of Israel were initially supportive of David's return to power after Absalom's rebellion. It highlights their early loyalty and initiative, which they feel is being overlooked or dismissed by the men of Judah. This reflects the complex dynamics of loyalty and support in the political landscape of ancient Israel.But the men of Judah spoke more fiercely than the men of Israel The men of Judah's fierce response indicates their strong loyalty to David, who is from the tribe of Judah. This loyalty is rooted in tribal identity and the historical significance of Judah as the leading tribe. The fierce response also underscores the deep-seated rivalry and competition between the tribes, which is a recurring theme throughout the history of Israel and Judah.<div class="vheading2">Persons / Places / Events</div>1. <a href="/topical/m/men_of_israel.htm">Men of Israel</a> Represent the ten northern tribes of Israel who felt slighted in the process of bringing King David back to Jerusalem. 2. <a href="/topical/m/men_of_judah.htm">Men of Judah</a> Represent the tribe of Judah, David's own tribe, who were more assertive in their claim to David. 3. <a href="/topical/k/king_david.htm">King David</a> The central figure in this account, whose return to power is the subject of contention between the tribes. 4. <a href="/topical/j/jerusalem.htm">Jerusalem</a> The capital city where David is to be restored as king. 5. <a href="/topical/t/the_dispute.htm">The Dispute</a> A conflict arises between the tribes of Israel and Judah over their respective claims to King David.<div class="vheading2">Teaching Points</div><a href="/topical/u/unity_in_the_body_of_christ.htm">Unity in the Body of Christ</a> Just as the tribes of Israel and Judah were called to unite under King David, Christians are called to unity under Christ. Division weakens our witness and effectiveness. <a href="/topical/p/pride_and_humility.htm">Pride and Humility</a> The men of Israel and Judah both exhibit pride in their claims. Believers are reminded to approach conflicts with humility, seeking reconciliation over being right. <a href="/topical/t/the_danger_of_tribalism.htm">The Danger of Tribalism</a> The account warns against the dangers of tribalism and factionalism within the church. Our identity in Christ should supersede all other affiliations. <a href="/topical/t/the_role_of_leadership.htm">The Role of Leadership</a> David's role as a unifying figure points to the importance of godly leadership in resolving conflicts and fostering unity. <a href="/topical/t/the_importance_of_communication.htm">The Importance of Communication</a> Misunderstandings and assumptions can lead to conflict. Open and honest communication is vital in maintaining unity and understanding.<div class="vheading2">Lists and Questions</div><a href="/top10/lessons_from_2_samuel_19.htm">Top 10 Lessons from 2 Samuel 19</a> <a href="/q/what_events_are_in_wars_of_the_lord.htm">Why did Elijah write to King Jehoram?</a> <a href="/q/who_was_king_rehoboam_biblically.htm">Who was King Rehoboam in biblical history?</a> <a href="/q/how_did_absalom_sway_israel_against_david.htm">How could Absalom have turned the hearts of all Israel against David so quickly (2 Samuel 15:6, 13)?</a> <a href="/q/is_judah-israel_conflict_in_2_sam_19_consistent.htm">Does the tribal conflict between Judah and Israel in 2 Samuel 19:40-43 align with other historical sources, or is there a possible inconsistency in how the tribes' loyalties shift?</a><a name="commentary" id="commentary"></a><div class="vheading2"><a href="/commentaries/ellicott/2_samuel/19.htm">Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers</a></div>(43) More right in David than ye.--The LXX. adds "and I am the firstborn rather than thou,"--an unnecessary gloss, and certainly untrue as respects Benjamin, who was probably prominent in the discussion.That our advice should not be first had.--Better, was not our word the first for bringing back the king? (Comp. <a href="/context/2_samuel/19-9.htm" title="And all the people were at strife throughout all the tribes of Israel, saying, The king saved us out of the hand of our enemies, and he delivered us out of the hand of the Philistines; and now he is fled out of the land for Absalom.">2Samuel 19:9-10</a>.)<div class="vheading2"><a href="/commentaries/pulpit/2_samuel/19.htm">Pulpit Commentary</a></div>Verse 43. - I have ten parts in the king. One tribe disappears, which certainly was not Benjamin; nor was this warlike state thus early awed into obedience to Judah. In <a href="/1_kings/11-31.htm">1 Kings 11:31, 35</a>, again, we have ten tribes given to Jeroboam, and here, also, not only must Benjamin be counted, but be included in the tribes rent from the house of David. The tribe that had disappeared was that of Simeon, partly lost among the desert races south of the Negeb, and partly absorbed by Judah. Its position always made it unimportant, and no trace can be found of its taking any part in the political life of Israel. Some strangers from Simeon are mentioned in <a href="/2_chronicles/15-9.htm">2 Chronicles 15:9</a> as coming to the great gathering of Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem after Asa had defeated Zerah the Ethiopian; and Josiah carried out his reformation in Simeon as well as in Manasseh, Ephraim, and Naphtali (<a href="/2_chronicles/34-6.htm">2 Chronicles 34:6</a>). But it never seems to have emerged from a state of semi-barbarism, and no town can be found within its territories. We must, therefore, omit Simeon, and of course the Levites, who took no part in politics, and thus we have Judah standing alone, and all the rest determined to resist any attempt on its part to establish a hegemony, and restless even at having to endure the more ancient claims of Ephraim to be the leading tribe. By the ten parts which they claim in the king, they meant that, as king, he belonged equally to all, and not to his own tribe only. In this they were expressing a sound view of the royal position. The next words, literally, are, "And also in David I am more than thou;" to which the Septuagint adds, "And I am the firstborn rather than thou." This is in accordance with <a href="/1_chronicles/5-1.htm">1 Chronicles 5:1</a>, and states an important claim always made by Ephraim; whereas the Hebrew, "I in David am more than thou," is unintelligible. Except upon the score of numbers already stated, the right of each tribe in David was equal. Why then, etc.? rather, Why hast thou despised me? Was not my word the first for bringing back the king? (see ver. 9, and note on ver. 40). Were fiercer. While the Israelites debated the matter calmly, the men of Judah met their complaint with harsh and bitter rejoinders. This explains the feud which followed. <a href="/commentaries/2_samuel/19-43.htm">Parallel Commentaries ...</a> <a name="lexicon" id="lexicon"></a><div class="vheading">Hebrew</div>“We have ten עֶֽשֶׂר־ (‘e·śer-) Number - feminine singular construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_6235.htm">Strong's 6235: </a> Ten shares יָד֨וֹת (yā·ḏō·wṯ) Noun - feminine plural <a href="/hebrew/strongs_3027.htm">Strong's 3027: </a> A hand in the king,” בַמֶּלֶךְ֮ (ḇam·me·leḵ) Preposition-b, Article | Noun - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_4428.htm">Strong's 4428: </a> A king answered וַיַּ֣עַן (way·ya·‘an) Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_6030.htm">Strong's 6030: </a> To answer, respond the men אִֽישׁ־ (’îš-) Noun - masculine singular construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_376.htm">Strong's 376: </a> A man as an individual, a male person of Israel, יִשְׂרָאֵל֩ (yiś·rā·’êl) Noun - proper - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_3478.htm">Strong's 3478: </a> Israel -- 'God strives', another name of Jacob and his desc “so we have more claim וְגַם־ (wə·ḡam-) Conjunctive waw | Conjunction <a href="/hebrew/strongs_1571.htm">Strong's 1571: </a> Assemblage, also, even, yea, though, both, and to David בְּדָוִד֮ (bə·ḏā·wiḏ) Preposition-b | Noun - proper - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_1732.htm">Strong's 1732: </a> David -- perhaps 'beloved one', a son of Jesse than you. מִמְּךָ֒ (mim·mə·ḵā) Preposition | second person masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_4480.htm">Strong's 4480: </a> A part of, from, out of Why וּמַדּ֙וּעַ֙ (ū·mad·dū·a‘) Conjunctive waw | Interrogative <a href="/hebrew/strongs_4069.htm">Strong's 4069: </a> Why? for what reason? then do you despise us? הֱקִלֹּתַ֔נִי (hĕ·qil·lō·ṯa·nî) Verb - Hifil - Perfect - second person masculine singular | first person common singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_7043.htm">Strong's 7043: </a> To be slight, swift or trifling Were we not וְלֹא־ (wə·lō-) Conjunctive waw | Adverb - Negative particle <a href="/hebrew/strongs_3808.htm">Strong's 3808: </a> Not, no the first רִאשׁ֛וֹן (ri·šō·wn) Adjective - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_7223.htm">Strong's 7223: </a> First, in place, time, rank to speak דְבָרִ֥י (ḏə·ḇā·rî) Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_1697.htm">Strong's 1697: </a> A word, a matter, thing, a cause of restoring לְהָשִׁ֣יב (lə·hā·šîḇ) Preposition-l | Verb - Hifil - Infinitive construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_7725.htm">Strong's 7725: </a> To turn back, in, to retreat, again our king?” מַלְכִּ֑י (mal·kî) Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_4428.htm">Strong's 4428: </a> A king But the men אִ֣ישׁ (’îš) Noun - masculine singular construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_376.htm">Strong's 376: </a> A man as an individual, a male person of Judah יְהוּדָ֔ה (yə·hū·ḏāh) Noun - proper - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_3063.htm">Strong's 3063: </a> Judah -- 'praised', a son of Jacob, also the southern kingdom, also four Israelites pressed even harder וַיִּ֙קֶשׁ֙ (way·yi·qeš) Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_7185.htm">Strong's 7185: </a> To be hard, severe or fierce [than] מִדְּבַ֖ר (mid·də·ḇar) Preposition-m | Noun - masculine singular construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_1697.htm">Strong's 1697: </a> A word, a matter, thing, a cause the men אִ֥ישׁ (’îš) Noun - masculine singular construct <a href="/hebrew/strongs_376.htm">Strong's 376: </a> A man as an individual, a male person of Israel. יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃ (yiś·rā·’êl) Noun - proper - masculine singular <a href="/hebrew/strongs_3478.htm">Strong's 3478: </a> Israel -- 'God strives', another name of Jacob and his desc <div class="vheading">Links</div><a href="/niv/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 NIV</a> <a href="/nlt/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 NLT</a> <a href="/esv/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 ESV</a> <a href="/nasb/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 NASB</a> <a href="/kjv/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 KJV</a> <a href="//bibleapps.com/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 BibleApps.com</a> <a href="//bibliaparalela.com/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 Biblia Paralela</a> <a href="//holybible.com.cn/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 Chinese Bible</a> <a href="//saintebible.com/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 French Bible</a> <a href="/catholic/2_samuel/19-43.htm">2 Samuel 19:43 Catholic Bible</a> <a href="/2_samuel/19-43.htm">OT History: 2 Samuel 19:43 The men of Israel answered the men (2Sa iiSam 2 Sam ii sam) </a></div></div></td></tr></table></div><div id="left"><a href="/2_samuel/19-42.htm" onmouseover='lft.src="/leftgif.png"' onmouseout='lft.src="/left.png"' title="2 Samuel 19:42"><img src="/left.png" name="lft" border="0" alt="2 Samuel 19:42" /></a></div><div id="right"><a href="/2_samuel/20-1.htm" onmouseover='rght.src="/rightgif.png"' onmouseout='rght.src="/right.png"' title="2 Samuel 20:1"><img src="/right.png" name="rght" border="0" alt="2 Samuel 20:1" /></a></div><div id="botleft"><a href="#" onmouseover='botleft.src="/botleftgif.png"' onmouseout='botleft.src="/botleft.png"' title="Top of Page"><img src="/botleft.png" name="botleft" border="0" alt="Top of Page" /></a></div><div id="botright"><a href="#" onmouseover='botright.src="/botrightgif.png"' onmouseout='botright.src="/botright.png"' title="Top of Page"><img src="/botright.png" name="botright" border="0" alt="Top of Page" /></a></div><div id="bot"><iframe width="100%" height="1500" scrolling="no" src="/botmenubhnew2.htm" frameborder="0"></iframe></div></td></tr></table></div></body></html>