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src="https://contents.comment.digital.asahi.com/profile/thumbnails/thumb_202110261635224775.jpg" alt="小熊英二さん"/></div></a></div></div><div class="nfyQp"><div class="Isto1"><figure class="TNkJc"><a href="./photo/AS20241121002969.html"><img alt="写真・図版" srcset="//www.asahicom.jp/imgopt/img/f8a8968559/hd640/AS20241121002969.jpg" decoding="async"/><figcaption>橘川武郎（きっかわ・たけお）　1951年生まれ。東京大学社会科学研究所教授、一橋大学大学院商学研究科などを経て2023年から国際大学学長。経済産業省資源エネルギー庁の多くの審議会の委員を歴任した。著書に「東京電力　失敗の本質」（東洋経済新報社）や「エネルギー・トランジション　2050年カーボンニュートラル実現への道」（白桃書房）など。<svg width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M16.8571 2H5.22057C4.91747 2 4.62678 2.12041 4.41245 2.33474C4.19812 2.54906 4.07771 2.83975 4.07771 3.14286V4.07771H3.14286C2.83975 4.07771 2.54906 4.19812 2.33474 4.41245C2.12041 4.62678 2 4.91747 2 5.22057L2 16.8571C2 17.1602 2.12041 17.4509 2.33474 17.6653C2.54906 17.8796 2.83975 18 3.14286 18H14.7794C15.0825 18 15.3732 17.8796 15.5876 17.6653C15.8019 17.4509 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class="E3fDl">インタビュー連載「電ゲン論」</a></h3><p>　「脱炭素社会」の実現が叫ばれるいま、あらためて「電気」をどうつくるべきなのかが問われています。<a href="//www.asahi.com/topics/word/原発と関電マネー.html" title="原発のトピックスを開く" class="eWgMZ">原発</a>の賛否をはじめ、議論は百出しています。各界の著名人にインタビューし、さまざまな立場から語ってもらいました。</p></div><div class="notPrint gXncj"><div> <div class="AdMod">   <div id='kijinaka_rect' style='height:250px; width:300px;'> <script> console.log( 'change esi2: kijinaka_rect' ); googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('kijinaka_rect'); }); </script> </div> <span>[PR]</span>  </div>  </div></div><h2 class="smgSC">＜<a href="//www.asahi.com/topics/word/経済産業省.html" title="経済産業省のトピックスを開く" class="eWgMZ">経済産業省</a><a href="//www.asahi.com/topics/word/資源エネルギー庁.html" title="資源エネルギー庁のトピックスを開く" class="eWgMZ">資源エネルギー庁</a>総合エネルギー調査会基本政策分科会＞</h2><p>　政府が<a href="//www.asahi.com/topics/word/閣議決定.html" title="閣議決定のトピックスを開く" class="eWgMZ">閣議決定</a>する「エネルギー基本政策」は、経済産業省の総合エネルギー調査会基本政策分科会のメンバーが議論して内容を詰めます。学者、経営者、消費者団体の幹部ら16人で構成。原発推進派が大多数を占め、<a 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