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Its contents were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merged</a> into <a href="/wiki/Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)" title="Elf (Dungeons & Dragons)">Elf (Dungeons & Dragons)</a>. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sild%C3%AByuir&action=history">its history</a>; for its talk page, see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sild%C3%AByuir&redirect=no">here</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/50px-Mergefrom.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/75px-Mergefrom.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/100px-Mergefrom.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="50" data-file-height="20"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crown_Wars&redirect=no">Crown Wars</a></b> was nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Crown_Wars" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crown Wars">The discussion</a> was closed on <b>28 January 2012</b> with a consensus to <b>merge</b>. Its contents were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merged</a> into <a href="/wiki/Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)" title="Elf (Dungeons & Dragons)">Elf (Dungeons & Dragons)</a>. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crown_Wars&action=history">its history</a>; for its talk page, see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Crown_Wars&redirect=no">here</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comparison" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comparison-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comparison-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"></span>Comparison<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comparison-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Comparison"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z-Comparison"></span>Some comparison needs to be made here between D&D elves and Tolkien Elves. After that some comparison should be made between D&D elves and elves in later fantasy genres, Everquest, Warcraft, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathiastck" title="User:Mathiastck">Mathiastck</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z-Comparison" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z-Comparison"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z-Comparison"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Golodh-2008-01-21T14:06:00.000Z-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"></span>Added reference to <a href="/wiki/Elf" title="Elf">Elf</a> and <a href="/wiki/Elves_in_fantasy_fiction_and_games" class="mw-redirect" title="Elves in fantasy fiction and games">Elves in fantasy fiction and games</a> to put D&D elves into perspective. This also resolves the question of the source for the assertions made about the characteristics of Elves. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Golodh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Golodh (page does not exist)">Golodh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Golodh" title="User talk:Golodh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Golodh-2008-01-21T14:06:00.000Z-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Golodh-2008-01-21T14:06:00.000Z-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Golodh-2008-01-21T14:06:00.000Z-Mathiastck-2006-06-03T00:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Elven_Ages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Elven_Ages-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Elven_Ages-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"></span>Elven Ages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Elven_Ages-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Elven Ages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z-Elven_Ages"></span>I believe (not complete sure), but elves reach physical maturity at 25 years of age and mental maturity at 125 years of age. This might be for just Forgotten Realms, But this might need looking into. <a href="/wiki/User:HVulpes" title="User:HVulpes">HVulpes</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z-Elven_Ages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z-Elven_Ages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z-Elven_Ages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathiastck-2006-08-27T21:44:00.000Z-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"></span>The numbers differ in every printing. I consider the 2nd Edition Elves Handbook canon :) After Tolkien. <a href="/wiki/YMMV" class="mw-redirect" title="YMMV">YMMV</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathiastck" title="User:Mathiastck">Mathiastck</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Mathiastck-2006-08-27T21:44:00.000Z-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathiastck-2006-08-27T21:44:00.000Z-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathiastck-2006-08-27T21:44:00.000Z-HVulpes-2006-08-22T15:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lythari" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lythari-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lythari-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Lythari<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lythari-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Lythari"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xiphe-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z-Lythari"></span>Can we get a source on these guys? Not because I'm overly critical, but because I seriously want to play as one, and having an official source would go a long way towards convincing most DMs.<a href="/wiki/User:Xiphe" title="User:Xiphe">Xiphe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Xiphe-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z-Lythari" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xiphe-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z-Lythari"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xiphe-2007-05-27T16:03:00.000Z-Lythari"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.213.146.172-2008-02-05T20:41:00.000Z-Lythari"></span>In 2ed they were found in <i>Elves of Evermeet</i> . In 3/3.5 Ed they are mentioned in <i>Races of Faerun</i> under the Lycanthropes setion of the other races, but in this they are a type of Werewolf with an Elf as the base, a good alignment and no hybred form. They tend to run in packs and have friends more then generic werewolves, plus seen as signs of powerful nature magic by elves. <a href="/wiki/User:HVulpes" title="User:HVulpes">HVulpes</a> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>'Races of Faerun' is the most recent rules source on these, for 3.5 - though who knows what awaits them in 4. The lythari play a role in the plot of the Elaine Cunningham novel, 'Silver Shadows', and may at least receive a mention in her upcoming 'Reclamation'. Lythari dwell in a demi-plane, loosely tied to the wildest parts of Faerun, prefer to avoid conflict, and maintain close ties to the fey. They are as rarely seen by deep forest elves as wild elves are by their more civilized cousins. Hope that help.s <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.213.146.172" title="Special:Contributions/72.213.146.172">72.213.146.172</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.213.146.172&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.213.146.172 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-72.213.146.172-2008-02-05T20:41:00.000Z-Lythari" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.213.146.172-2008-02-05T20:41:00.000Z-Lythari"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.213.146.172-2008-02-05T20:41:00.000Z-Lythari"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"></span>Snow elves in Forgotten Realms<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Snow elves in Forgotten Realms"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms"></span>I am fairly sure Snow Elves do not exist in the Forgotten Realms. The subrace was introduced in a general game accessory, Frostbite or whatever, and never a canon Realms source. Until a source is cited, I'm removing it. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.115.32.217" title="Special:Contributions/88.115.32.217">88.115.32.217</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:88.115.32.217&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:88.115.32.217 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z-Snow_elves_in_Forgotten_Realms"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"></span>Yes, Snow Elves were mentioned in the book Frostburn as you stated. ALSO, Snow Elves were set up for the Grayhawk setting the printing of Dragon Magazine #155 in an article by David S. Reimer. I'm believe the article was called "A New Elven Character Race: The Snow Elves" but am not 100% certain and will need someone to confirm this. Chances are the original poster confused the setting. Feel free to check on this information and add it to the list if it is accurate. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.159.249.241" title="Special:Contributions/24.159.249.241">24.159.249.241</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.159.249.241&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.159.249.241 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z-88.115.32.217-2008-03-07T22:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:53:00.000Z-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z"></span>Hmm. During AD&D there was a large amount of cross-polination of ideas between Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk and Dragonlance. Races created for one setting were often later imported into another setting. So even if you find Snow Elves in a Greyhawk source, it does not disprove a link to Forgotten Realms. I suggest that you ask about this at a Forgotten Realms forum (like Candlekeep). <a href="/wiki/User:David_Shepheard" title="User:David Shepheard">Big Mac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Shepheard" title="User talk:David Shepheard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:53:00.000Z-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:53:00.000Z-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:53:00.000Z-24.159.249.241-2008-05-05T03:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"></span>Less prominent elven subraces in 4th edition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Less prominent elven subraces in 4th edition"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition"></span>Is there any official information on Aquatic Elves, non-Drow Dark Elves or Lythari in 4th edition? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gordon_Ecker" title="User:Gordon Ecker">Gordon Ecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gordon_Ecker" title="User talk:Gordon Ecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z-Less_prominent_elven_subraces_in_4th_edition"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gordon_Ecker-2010-01-11T04:26:00.000Z-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"></span>The article could also use some information on Avariel and Star Elves. I'm guessing that Star Elves are officially classified as Eladrin, but, like Aquatic Elves and Lythari, the Avariel don't seem like they'd fit into any of 4th edition's three major Elf categories. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gordon_Ecker" title="User:Gordon Ecker">Gordon Ecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gordon_Ecker" title="User talk:Gordon Ecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Gordon_Ecker-2010-01-11T04:26:00.000Z-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gordon_Ecker-2010-01-11T04:26:00.000Z-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gordon_Ecker-2010-01-11T04:26:00.000Z-Gordon_Ecker-2008-12-14T06:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_issues_tag" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_issues_tag-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_issues_tag-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z"></span>Multiple issues tag<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_issues_tag-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Multiple issues tag"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z-Multiple_issues_tag"></span>Someone has tagged this article as having multiple issues. But they have failed to state these issues on the talk page. I do wish that people wouldn't "tag and run" because it is very difficult to improve articles, if you don't know what is wrong with them. </p><p>Apart from the "in universe" issue (which has a separate tag), does anyone have an idea of what is supposed to be wrong with this article? <a href="/wiki/User:David_Shepheard" title="User:David Shepheard">Big Mac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Shepheard" title="User talk:David Shepheard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z-Multiple_issues_tag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z-Multiple_issues_tag"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Shepheard-2009-01-24T18:55:00.000Z-Multiple_issues_tag"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bad_drawing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bad_drawing-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bad_drawing-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z"></span>Bad drawing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bad_drawing-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Bad drawing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-211.198.119.26-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"></span>Aside from getting FR elves stats straightened out, this article seriously needs to lose that ridiculous drawing. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/211.198.119.26" title="Special:Contributions/211.198.119.26">211.198.119.26</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:211.198.119.26&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:211.198.119.26 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-211.198.119.26-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z-Bad_drawing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-211.198.119.26-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-211.198.119.26-2009-05-29T12:28:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"></span>If someone could upload an image of the current iteration of D&D elves, that would make everything better. Wikipedia isn't letting me do it.<a href="/wiki/User:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User:IronBeefCurtain">IronBeefCurtain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:IronBeefCurtain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z-Bad_drawing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z-Bad_drawing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z"></span>I see nothing wrong with the image I added to this article, but if a consensus of editors would prefer a different (and suitable) image, I naturally wouldn't object to having it changed. But please don't feel free to add an image of any old elf you happen to like, as you did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&diff=486026401&oldid=486026200">here</a>. The image you added is from a feature film. It has nothing to do with <i>Dungeons & Dragons</i>, and your justification for adding it is frankly ridiculous. Such edits can be considered vandalism. Desist. <a href="/wiki/User:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User:Polisher of Cobwebs">Polisher of Cobwebs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User talk:Polisher of Cobwebs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-07T17:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-08T04:45:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"></span>The justification is sound, as the only responses granted are "That is ridiculous," and "That is nonsense," with no explanation for how it is ridiculous or nonsense. As there is no given reason, I am forced to assume there is no reason, rendering the reverts to be obligatory for the sake of the integrity of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User:IronBeefCurtain">IronBeefCurtain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:IronBeefCurtain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-08T04:45:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 8 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-08T04:45:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IronBeefCurtain-2012-04-08T04:45:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"></span>No longer an issue. The current iteration of elves image is around. 04:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User:IronBeefCurtain">IronBeefCurtain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IronBeefCurtain" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:IronBeefCurtain">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/IronBeefCurtain" title="Special:Contributions/IronBeefCurtain">contribs</a>) </span></small></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It is ridiculous nonsense to use an image that has nothing to do with <i>Dungeons & Dragons</i> in a <i>Dungeons & Dragons</i> article. It was also a violation of copyright. I couldn't care less that the image I added has been replaced with something else, so long as it's not a copyright violation. <a href="/wiki/User:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User:Polisher of Cobwebs">Polisher of Cobwebs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User talk:Polisher of Cobwebs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T00:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z"></span>As D&D is Lord of the Rings with different mythology and magic, especially in the earlier editions, they are completely related, especially with the way elves look. That is why it is not nonsense. Also, how is it a copyright violation to use an image already up on another page? I'm asking so I understand, not for rhetoric.<a href="/wiki/User:PlutoniumCurtain" title="User:PlutoniumCurtain">PlutoniumCurtain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PlutoniumCurtain" title="User talk:PlutoniumCurtain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T07:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T22:14:00.000Z-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Wrong. D&D is a game, an independent product that's quite distinct from Lord of the Rings. There may an influence from Lord of the Rings on D&D, but that doesn't mean that you can use an image from a Lord of the Rings movie here. Images like that one of Legolas are copyright - they can be used only on pages where they are strictly relevant. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NONFREE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NONFREE">WP:NONFREE</a>. Those are the rules, and I didn't invent them. <a href="/wiki/User:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User:Polisher of Cobwebs">Polisher of Cobwebs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polisher_of_Cobwebs" title="User talk:Polisher of Cobwebs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T22:14:00.000Z-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T22:14:00.000Z-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polisher_of_Cobwebs-2012-04-08T22:14:00.000Z-PlutoniumCurtain-2012-04-08T22:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&oldid=1212473148">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elf_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)&oldid=1212473148</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles" title="Category:Start-Class Dungeons & Dragons articles">Start-Class Dungeons & Dragons articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles" title="Category:High-importance Dungeons & Dragons articles">High-importance Dungeons & Dragons articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Start-Class_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles_of_High-importance" title="Category:Start-Class Dungeons & Dragons articles of High-importance">Start-Class Dungeons & Dragons articles of High-importance</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles_needing_comment" title="Category:Dungeons & Dragons articles needing comment">Dungeons & Dragons articles needing comment</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles_needing_improved_references" title="Category:Dungeons & Dragons articles needing improved references">Dungeons & Dragons articles needing improved references</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_articles" title="Category:All Dungeons & Dragons articles">All Dungeons & Dragons articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 8 March 2024, at 01:53<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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