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href="/wiki/Special:%E7%BC%96%E8%BE%91%E9%A1%B5%E9%9D%A2/Template:WikiProject_Biography" title="Special:编辑页面/Template:WikiProject Biography"><abbr title="编辑该模板">编</abbr></a></li></ul></div>这个页面属于<b><a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0" title="WikiProject:传记">传记专题</a></b>的一部分,用于整理和撰写维基百科中的人物条目。欢迎任何感兴趣的参与者加入<a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0" title="WikiProject:传记">这个专题</a>并<a class="mw-selflink selflink">参与讨论</a>。</td> <td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td> </tr><tr> <td class="assess assess-专题" style="text-align:center; white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold; background: #C0C090;"> <span style="display:none;"><span style="display:none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_project_class.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="专题级"><img alt="专题级" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Symbol_project_class.svg/16px-Symbol_project_class.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u50b3\u8a18\u6a19\u6e96-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-\u50b3\u8a18\u6a19\u6e96&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u50b3\u8a18\u6a19\u6e96&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u50b3\u8a18\u6a19\u6e96&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-傳記標準"></span>"最少要有兩本書籍出版," ?? 有人一生就写过一本书但是影响很大。<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Luomingxue&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Luomingxue(页面不存在)">Luomingxue</a> 01:32 2005年10月21日 (UTC) </p><p>表格中是否可以加上职业一项?--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百无一用是书生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">Talk</a>)<a href="/wiki/WikiWiki" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiWiki"> </a> 16:26 2004年8月23日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>表格是否可以wikify?--<a href="/wiki/User:Zy26" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Zy26">zy26</a> 16:28 2004年8月23日 (UTC) <dl><dd>都可以吧。其實職業、成就、作品都可以加的,不過東西越多,也就會有越多的人物會有內容是空白的。<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Richy&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Richy(页面不存在)">Richy</a> 16:29 2004年8月23日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>問:「自我宣傳」控罪的成立,是跟……</dd> <dd>a)跟「張貼的資料的真實性相關」?還是跟……</dd> <dd>b)跟「張貼者本身是不是相關資料的主角」相關?</dd> <dd>如果張貼的資料,是張貼者自己經營的網站的資料,或自己的作品(例如論文、演出、教材等等)的資料,甚至自己個人的資料,那麼,即使資料真實,是否構成「自我宣傳」?—<a href="/wiki/User:Xtctjames" title="User:Xtctjames">Xtctjames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xtctjames" title="User talk:Xtctjames">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-傳記標準" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2008年2月17日 (日) 04:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-傳記標準"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z","author":"Xtctjames","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-\u50b3\u8a18\u6a19\u6e96","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xtctjames-2008-02-17T04:01:00.000Z-傳記標準"></span></dd></dl> <p>有人認為生人傳記宜報喜不報憂,負面言論易涉誹謗。其實维基也有不少生人傳記也有負面言評述: <a class="external free" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A2%81%E6%8C%AF%E8%8B%B1#.E7.88.AD.E8.AD.B0">https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A2%81%E6%8C%AF%E8%8B%B1#.E7.88.AD.E8.AD.B0</a> 故只要有實証資料佐証便可.本人不同意只提供個人主覌感受讚語,卻隨便恐懗不同或較負面資料的編者說要block客。這是極不負責而獨裁,不應是维基百科的立場。 </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版" data-mw-thread-id="h-关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版"><span id=".E5.85.B3.E4.BA.8E.E6.9D.A1.E7.9B.AE.E4.B8.AD.E7.9A.84.E7.94.9F.E5.8D.92.E5.B9.B4.E6.9C.88.E6.97.A5.EF.BC.8C.E6.88.91.E5.86.99.E4.BA.86.E4.B8.80.E4.B8.AA.E6.A8.A1.E7.89.88"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版"></span>关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版<span data-mw-comment-end="h-关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="编辑章节:关于条目中的生卒年月日,我写了一个模版"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u5173\u4e8e\u6761\u76ee\u4e2d\u7684\u751f\u5352\u5e74\u6708\u65e5\uff0c\u6211\u5199\u4e86\u4e00\u4e2a\u6a21\u7248","replies":[]}}--></div> <p><i>移动自<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈">Wikipedia:互助客栈</a></i> </p><p>模版名字是:<a href="/wiki/Template:Bd" title="Template:Bd">Template:Birthdeathdate</a>,使用时在条目中jiaru{{Birthdeathdate|1866年|11月12日|1925年|3月12日}},作用是一方面生成了统一的日期格式,另一方面自动加入到出生和逝世的类别中。原代码是: ([[{{{1}}}]][[{{{2}}}]]—[[{{{3}}}]][[{{{4}}}]])[[Category:{{{1}}}出生]][[Category:{{{2}}}逝世]] 其中参数1,2,3,4分别是出生年,出生月日,逝世年,逝世月日。 关于出生时间没有,或尚健在的情况,或出生日期不祥如何处理,目前还没有考虑。 </p><p>例子是: </p><p>'''孫中山'''{{Birthdeathdate|1866年|11月12日|1925年|3月12日}},名'''文''',字'''載之'''(乃自取「文以載道」之義),譜名'''德明''',號'''日新''',改號'''逸仙''',幼名'''帝象''',後化名為'''中山樵''',是[[中國]]近代[[民主]][[革命]]家,民主先行者,也是[[中華民國]]建國元勳,死後並在[[1940年]]被[[國民政府]]奉爲[[國父]]。 </p><p>可以参见<a href="/wiki/%E5%AD%99%E4%B8%AD%E5%B1%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="孙中山">孙中山</a>条目看一看效果,有什么问题和建议也希望在这里讨论。我感觉节省了很多工作。 </p> <dl><dd>可以放到<a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0" title="WikiProject:传记">Wikipedia:WikiProject传记</a>中--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 13:44 2005年2月25日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>能适用于表格中的吗??<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%9E%AB%E9%9A%BE%E5%AF%BB" title="User:枫难寻">枫难寻</a> 14:40 2005年2月25日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>可不可以把模板名稱再簡化呢?比如說{{BDD}}之類的,畢竟如果是常用的模板還是越簡單越方便大家使用。--<a href="/wiki/User:Cough" title="User:Cough">可夫</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cough" title="User talk:Cough">(talky? click me!)</a> 16:41 2005年2月25日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>已经移动到<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:BDD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:BDD(页面不存在)">Template:BDD</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:Formulax" title="User:Formulax">Formulax</a> 10:49 2005年2月26日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>外國人名的Category要用姓氏首個字母分,下面又有人提出中國人要用姓氏的拼音來分,這個模板似乎暫失功用。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%87%83" title="User:燃">燃</a>*<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%87%83" title="User talk:燃">賜教</a> 04:22 2005年2月27日 (UTC) <dl><dd>按拼音分和首字母分恐怕不妥。毕竟是中文维基,而汉语拼音有只限于大陆地区使用。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83%E9%98%81" title="User:用心阁">用心阁</a> 02:35 2005年2月28日 (UTC)</dd> <dd>其實可以使用多一個參數以解決這個問題。源代碼:([[{{{1}}}]][[{{{2}}}]]—[[{{{3}}}]][[{{{4}}}]])[[Category:{{{1}}}出生|{{{5}}}]][[Category:{{{2}}}逝世|{{{5}}}]]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>參數5是顯示在類別的名稱,這亦對有關香港人及日本人名字的顯示方式有所幫助。--<a href="/wiki/User:Shinjiman" title="User:Shinjiman">Shinjiman</a> 03:54 2005年3月1日 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文" data-mw-thread-id="h-建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文"><span id=".E5.BB.BA.E8.AE.AE.E5.A4.96.E5.9B.BD.E4.BA.BA.E7.89.A9.E7.85.A7.E7.89.87.E4.B8.8A.E9.9D.A2.E7.9A.84.E5.90.8D.E5.AD.97.E7.94.A8.E4.B8.AD.E6.96.87.E6.B3.A8.E6.98.8E.EF.BC.8C.E8.80.8C.E4.B8.8D.E7.94.A8.E5.8E.9F.E6.96.87"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文"></span>建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文<span data-mw-comment-end="h-建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="编辑章节:建议外国人物照片上面的名字用中文注明,而不用原文"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u5efa\u8bae\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u7269\u7167\u7247\u4e0a\u9762\u7684\u540d\u5b57\u7528\u4e2d\u6587\u6ce8\u660e\uff0c\u800c\u4e0d\u7528\u539f\u6587","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>只在中文名后面加一个外文的名字,并且要注明文字种类。例如:<b>阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦</b>(<a href="/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87" class="mw-redirect" title="英文">英文</a>:Albert Einstein,下面简称:爱因斯坦...),之后所有爱因斯坦的名字都用中文,这是假设读者并不理解外文,这样最容易懂。要注明简称是因为后面如果用全名太麻烦,用简称又同条目不统一,因此需要注明。<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 10:20:09 2005年9月22日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>修改的工作量量有多大?--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zy26" title="User talk:Zy26">zy26 was here.</a> 10:29 2005年9月22日 (UTC) <dl><dd>工作量大小并不是太大的问题,关键是规则怎么制定,总不能用既成事实原则吧?<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 11:36:23 2005年9月22日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>英文版中,中國人的條目是列出中文(包括繁體和簡體),拼音,威馬blah blah blah,中文版的如果也列出 原文,大陸譯法,台灣譯法和香港澳門譯法也挺好吧?-- wooddoo </p> <dl><dd>可以,我认为英文的外语人物条目就做得不错。这不是麻烦不麻烦的问题,而是应该不应该的问题。编写维基百科还怕麻烦吗?<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 11:36:23 2005年9月22日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>為什麼要用中文而不是用原文?我認為最多是中文原文並用,不可刪原文。另請注意:什麼叫外國人?中文維基不是中國維基。--<a href="/wiki/User:Theodoranian" title="User:Theodoranian">Theodoranian|虎兒</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theodoranian" title="User talk:Theodoranian">(talk)</a> 10:38 2005年9月22日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>并不是所有维基的读者都精通所有外文,而且情况恰恰相反,没有人精通所有语言,所以在中文百科全书里看到外文注释的照片不是很奇怪吗?你后面的意见说得对,将“外国人”改为“名字非中文的人物”好了。<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 11:36:23 2005年9月22日 (UTC) <dl><dd>我覺得當初會這樣制定的原因,是為了尊重原名吧!畢竟翻譯的名字總是有所偏差(不是錯誤)。就像每個國家的表格一樣,是讓讀者知道這個國家的原文名為何啊!畢竟在條目內文裡面已經有譯名了,讀者也不會因為這個表格裡面沒用中文標示他的名字就不知道他是誰啊!--<a href="/wiki/User:Theodoranian" title="User:Theodoranian">Theodoranian|虎兒</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theodoranian" title="User talk:Theodoranian">(talk)</a> 11:44 2005年9月22日 (UTC) <dl><dd>你说得也有道理,但问题并不是这么简单,因为人物不同于国家,他没有什么官方语言,是不是按照他是哪国人就写该国的官方语言呢?比如<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%8E%E5%85%89%E8%80%80" title="李光耀">李光耀</a>,他是<a href="/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E5%8A%A0%E5%9D%A1" title="新加坡">新加坡</a>人,新加坡有四种官方语言,是不是意味着李光耀的名字分别要写成四种语言呢?另外美籍华人比如<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%A8%E6%8C%AF%E5%AE%81" title="杨振宁">杨振宁</a>,他的照片上是不是只能用英文呢?另外还有比如<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%97%E5%AE%81" class="mw-redirect" title="列宁">列宁</a>,列宁只是一个别名,但是是最广泛使用的名字,应该怎么写呢?我认为这些都应该在条目里说明,而不应该在照片上尊重本人的语言,毕竟中文的注释也只是一个注释而已,人物照片又不是什么正式的证件照,不用把人物条目做成类似护照。<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 12:53:19 2005年9月22日 (UTC) <dl><dd>我覺得你要分清楚<b>使用模板</b>跟<b>普通照片加說明(thumb)</b>。使用模板是專題中的用法,也就是一個規範用法,所謂的原文名是指他本來取的名字,他如果國籍有換,取了別種語言的名字,那就再加上別種語言的名字,<b>不必也不應該只准保留中文</b>,特別是在本人沒有中文名字的時候。至於普通照片加說明(image+thumb),那只是一個非規範的寫法,並沒有任何規定它應該是寫本名、全名、別稱或暱稱。--<a href="/wiki/User:Theodoranian" title="User:Theodoranian">Theodoranian|虎兒</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theodoranian" title="User talk:Theodoranian">(talk)</a> 00:42 2005年9月23日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>原名、中文名并行,那现在的国家专题也要修改才能一致。--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zy26" title="User talk:Zy26">zy26 was here.</a> 12:16 2005年9月22日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>一般的做法,在信息框,也就是文章开始右侧的表格上,突出显示的地名、人名都是使用原文,而不是都用中文。所说原文,人名可以是他长期生活的地方的语言以及他的国籍的语言--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 00:56 2005年9月23日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>原則上每一個條目在內文首段中,大都會將條目主題的各種稱呼方式,包括中文譯名(簡繁差異、各種不同譯法)、非中文譯名(包括與主題相關的各種主要語言,例如國家的話通常是包含該國幾種官方語言,人物的話則是該人物的母語)全都羅列說明,如此已經能達到讓人理解的作用了。但在維基專題中,我支持在模版上只使用原文作為標示,理由有二:第一是尊重主題人物,第二則是可以避免繁簡轉換問題。不知道各位是否有注意過,目前的系統軟體並不支援在模版中使用繁簡轉換標籤,因此如果要用中文譯名勢必得各地區譯法一次全列,弄得原本是以「精簡易懂」為訴求的表格也變得非常冗長累贅。有人提到以人物主題來說,並不存在有「官方語言」這般的特性,因此我建議這部分的考量以該人物的母語或生平最常用語言作為參考,畢竟一個人可能可以學會數十種語言,但他/她的母語或常用語言卻很少會超過兩、三種的。--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> 03:34 2005年9月23日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b>回答shizhao和SElephant:</b>首先,地名和人名不同。我不建议地名也中文化,这是出于尊重。但人名并不同于地名,很多都是其他人约定俗称的,并不太涉及尊重问题,这只是一个代号,人们叫习惯了,就这么叫了。比如<a href="/wiki/%E9%98%BF%E7%82%B3" title="阿炳">阿炳</a>,他自己可能不是这么称呼自己的(很可能也不喜欢),但他用这个代号最为人所知,仅此而已。我认为在人名问题上,应该使用“最广泛为人所知”原则(如果有这个原则的话,hoho),而不是用“尊重”原则。而中文维基当然是为使用中文的人最常用的名字作为人名注释了。<b>回答SElephant:</b>你的第二个理由不充分。模板简繁转换是简繁转换的问题,而不是模板的问题。如果实在不能解决,也应该制订规则,然后补充一个由于技术限制而退而求其次的暂行条例。<b>回答Theodoranian:</b>理想状况下,所有人物条目都按照专题撰写,并有一个模板。我的意思是说这个模板和thumb作用差别不大,所以也没有必要限制语言,如果限制,也应该首先参考thumb的用法。现在的问题与你说的正好相反,是<b>只准保留外文</b>,而不是<b>只准保留中文</b>。<b>总而言之,</b>第一,人名和地名不同,尊重原则在地名适用,而人名不适用;第二,在人名问题上更应该尊重读者,因为首先维基不是护照,一定要用原名,其次,人名本来就是一个人的代号,中文读者最熟悉他/她哪个代号,就用哪个代号;第三,任何技术问题或者复杂度与规则制订无关。仅仅是我的观点,目的也是让维基更好。如果大家都喜欢用原文,我就只好保留自己的意见,没有什么问题。谢谢。<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 05:34:29 2005年9月23日 (UTC) <dl><dd>我覺得對人名不採取「尊重」這個說法,卻對地名採取尊重,這是個很奇怪的事情。--<a href="/wiki/User:Theodoranian" title="User:Theodoranian">Theodoranian|虎兒</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theodoranian" title="User talk:Theodoranian">(talk)</a> 06:42 2005年9月23日 (UTC) <dl><dd>我認為這討論已經陷入無意義的詭辯狀態了,既然各方的觀點都已經發表過了也看得出意見兩方都是不可能被對方說服的,那就多說無益,建議直接訴求投票程序把它解決掉吧(雖然依此態勢,投票結果已經可以看出個大概了)--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> 07:33 2005年9月23日 (UTC) <dl><dd>说得对,不过以三比一否定我的提议我觉得很冤枉,这里毕竟人太少了,不可能实行民主。在互助客栈曾有一个人支持我(真不容易),可惜可能也只是路过,可能都不知道这里有讨论。不过我的意见就是这些,该说的都说了。投票吧。<a href="/wiki/User:Xiaojeng" title="User:Xiaojeng">无名无形</a> 11:54:16 2005年9月23日 (UTC) <dl><dd>不能将投票时为多数暴力的表决方式。讨论得出共识才是最重要的。我支持使用原文,中文名称已经是条目了。--<a href="/wiki/User:Refrain" title="User:Refrain">學習第一</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Refrain" title="User talk:Refrain">有事找我:P</a> 12:14 2005年10月10日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>== Infobox Biography == <i>移动自<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%8A%80%E6%9C%AF" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/技术">Wikipedia:互助客栈/技术</a></i> </p><p>這個模版不知為何,底下的自總是會歪一邊,實在有夠難看。不知可否請哪位大大幫個忙,調整一下呢?<a href="/wiki/User:Alltonight" title="User:Alltonight">阿儒</a> 15:15 2005年12月29日 (UTC) </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r83732082">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-header,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-subheader,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-above,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-title,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-image,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data,body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .infobox-below{text-align:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox td div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:transparent!important;color:var(--color-base,#202122)}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox td div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:transparent!important;color:var(--color-base,#202122)}}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox td div.NavHead:not(.notheme)[style]{background:transparent!important}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox td div.NavHead:not(.notheme)[style]{background:transparent!important}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox biography vcard"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above"><span class="fn">孫中山</span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Sun_at_dusk_(2007-07-28).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg/220px-Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="146" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg/330px-Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg/440px-Sun_at_dusk_%282007-07-28%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2560" data-file-height="1704"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="white-space: nowrap;;">出生</th><td class="infobox-data" style=""><a href="/wiki/1866%E5%B9%B4" title="1866年">1866年</a><a href="/wiki/11%E6%9C%8812%E6%97%A5" title="11月12日">11月12日</a><br/><span class="birthplace"><a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E7%9C%81" class="mw-redirect" title="廣東省">廣東省</a><a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%B1%B1%E5%B8%82" title="中山市">香山縣</a></span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="white-space: nowrap;;">逝世</th><td class="infobox-data" style=""><a href="/wiki/1925%E5%B9%B4" title="1925年">1925年</a><a href="/wiki/3%E6%9C%8812%E6%97%A5" title="3月12日">3月12日</a><br/><span class="deathplace"><a href="/wiki/%E6%B2%B3%E5%8C%97%E7%9C%81" title="河北省">河北省</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E5%B8%82" title="北京市">北京市</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>请参考<a href="/wiki/Template:Olympic_Games" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Olympic Games">Template:Olympic Games</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:Isnow" title="User:Isnow">Isnow</a> 15:30 2005年12月29日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>那種模板我做過,但同樣的指令對這模板沒用<a href="/wiki/User:Alltonight" title="User:Alltonight">阿儒</a> 17:03 2005年12月29日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>现在将日期、地址放在一行,距离小一些;维基标签不好控制表格中,同一行不同列的不同对齐方式,也可以改用纯粹的html标签。 --<a href="/wiki/User:Farm" title="User:Farm">farm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farm" title="User talk:Farm">(talk)</a> 14:19 2005年12月30日 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd>這樣會不會太長了?全部的字都擠在一起,看起來實在很不舒服--<a href="/wiki/User:Alltonight" title="User:Alltonight">阿儒</a> 15:31 2005年12月30日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>這是另一個例子,這樣的排版會造成以下的情形: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83732082"><table class="infobox biography vcard"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above"><span class="fn">娜麗·布萊</span></th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Nellie_Bly_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Nellie_Bly_2.jpg/220px-Nellie_Bly_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="332" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Nellie_Bly_2.jpg/330px-Nellie_Bly_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Nellie_Bly_2.jpg/440px-Nellie_Bly_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="926" data-file-height="1396"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="white-space: nowrap;;">出生</th><td class="infobox-data" style=""><a href="/wiki/1864%E5%B9%B4" title="1864年">1864年</a><a href="/wiki/5%E6%9C%885%E6%97%A5" title="5月5日">5月5日</a><br/><span class="birthplace"><a href="/wiki/%E5%AE%BE%E5%A4%95%E6%B3%95%E5%B0%BC%E4%BA%9A%E5%B7%9E" title="宾夕法尼亚州">宾夕法尼亚州</a><br/><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E7%A7%91%E5%85%8B%E4%BC%A6%E7%9A%84%E7%B1%B3%E5%B0%94%E6%96%AF&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="科克伦的米尔斯(页面不存在)">科克伦的米尔斯</a><br/>(<span lang="en">Cochran's Mills</span>)</span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="white-space: nowrap;;">逝世</th><td class="infobox-data" style=""><a href="/wiki/1922%E5%B9%B4" title="1922年">1922年</a><a href="/wiki/1%E6%9C%8827%E6%97%A5" title="1月27日">1月27日</a><br/><span class="deathplace"><a href="/wiki/%E7%BA%BD%E7%BA%A6%E5%B7%9E" title="纽约州">纽约州</a><a href="/wiki/%E7%B4%90%E7%B4%84%E5%B8%82" class="mw-redirect" title="紐約市">纽约市</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Alltonight" title="User:Alltonight">阿儒</a> 15:36 2005年12月30日 (UTC) </p><p>這樣呢??還可以吧。模版的確是一個用來標準的好工具。:-)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%9F%B3" title="User:石">石</a> 15:48 2005年12月30日 (UTC) </p><p>== 对于虚拟人物(包括文学人物,影视作品人物和漫画人物)的收录准则。 == <i>移动自<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></i> </p><p>目前,我们有一个大致清晰的收录准则用于真实人物,但是对于虚拟人物(包括文学人物,影视作品人物和漫画人物),我们还没有,因此投票只能case by case地进行,希望能够讨论建立起一个收录准则,避免那些免洗人物(借用港台的说法)进入维基百科。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83%E9%98%81" title="User:用心阁">用心阁</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83%E9%98%81" title="User talk:用心阁">(对话页)</a> 03:05 2006年1月11日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>應該是指要遏止免洗人物成為維基百科的單獨條目吧 :) 。嗯,我覺得可以將免洗人物們全部塞進所屬的作品條目裡面,不過有個副作用是可能會像日語維基百科那樣動輒造就上百K的條目,比方說:<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/NARUTO_-%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88-" class="extiw" title="ja:NARUTO -ナルト-">ja:NARUTO -ナルト-</a>。 --<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%87%87%E8%B1%AB" title="User:采豫">采豫</a> 12:33 2006年1月12日 (UTC) <dl><dd>建议只选择重要的虚拟人物(例如主角)收录。其它于作品中出现的人物可以建一个人物介绍页面统一介绍。--<a href="/wiki/User:Douglasfrankfort" title="User:Douglasfrankfort">Douglasfrankfort</a> 00:19 2006年1月13日 (UTC) <dl><dd>支持這個建議。不過,虛擬人物的重要性應該怎樣判定?對真實世界的影響力,還是在作品內的重要性(主角)?我個人傾向於前者。不過,一個虛擬角色對真實世界的影響力又應該如何判定?除了很明顯的那些(像<a href="/wiki/%E9%98%BF%E7%AB%A5%E6%9C%A8" class="mw-redirect" title="阿童木">阿童木</a>或<a href="/wiki/%E5%A4%9A%E5%95%A6A%E5%A4%A2" class="mw-redirect" title="多啦A夢">多啦A夢</a>這種標誌性角色)以外,如何判定<s>那些應該</s>哪些角色的影響力比較大?--<a href="/wiki/User:Netsonfong" title="User:Netsonfong">小峰</a> 03:13 2006年1月13日 (UTC) <dl><dd>不如說就是文章內容多少來判定吧? 畢竟就算角色再重要, 如果沒有替他寫長篇條目, 那麼還是集中在一個人物介紹頁中比較好. <a href="/wiki/User:Mythsearcher" title="User:Mythsearcher">神話的搜尋者</a> 03:55 2006年1月13日 (UTC) <dl><dd>當然,沒有內容成不了頁面,但寫得出很多內容並非就是收錄的理由。既然我們在收錄真實人物方面有一個把關,對於虛擬人物當然不可能沒有。現在的問題是我們應該如何把關?準則在哪兒?--<a href="/wiki/User:Netsonfong" title="User:Netsonfong">小峰</a> 04:06 2006年1月13日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>贊成小峰的說法,這類商業性質的產物應該要有一個可以測量的標準來決定去留與否,例如可以達到3000byte(可登上「你知道嗎?」的標準),如果無法達到,應該與主條目合併。另外,大家要不要討論一下<b>尚存人世人物</b>的書寫規範?日前就因為美國就是因為對於尚存人世人物的寫作不當,而被大炒新聞,中文維基百科現在有很多還活著的人物,大多是履歷式的,百科性和參考性的價值偏低,大家對於這類人物的寫法有什麼想法呢?目前中文維基上關於人物傳記類的規範,只有<a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0" title="WikiProject:传记">傳記專題</a>中的注意事項,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Autobiography">這則方針</a>也尚無中文翻譯--<a href="/wiki/User:KaurJmeb" title="User:KaurJmeb">KJ</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:KaurJmeb" title="User talk:KaurJmeb">(悄悄話)</a> 04:28 2006年1月13日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>我覺得角色條目最重要的是所寫的內容多少和品質,有時候一個次要角色(不致於到「免洗」程度的),也可以寫出很好的說明和分析。我想是否要獨立成條目更重要的考量應該是便利讀者閱讀而不僅是評斷其重要性(畢竟已收錄作品的角色條目比較不會有涉嫌廣告的問題),因為如果角色介紹內容很多,全塞在一個條目裡會造成一個條目過量,而形成閱讀上的困難,所以才需要獨立成條目,讓主條目僅留角色的簡介,而讀者若覺得不滿足而有興趣進一步了解該角色的詳細介紹分析,再點該條目連結。但反之,如果角色不夠重要,又只是草草寫個兩三行,那的確是把它合併到作品的人物介紹中為宜,但希望能保留重定向頁定向到該作品,以方便讀者查詢(以及防止該條目一直重複被建立)。等到有一天作品條目中的該角色內容越來越多會影響條目的閱讀時,再考慮重新設立該頁面。</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>至於要以數量多少作標準,我覺得3000也許多了點…,因為把2000多byte的角色介紹內容插在一個作品條目裡,是感覺有些多的。我個人覺得1500左右差不多。--<a href="/wiki/User:Ffaarr" title="User:Ffaarr">ffaarr</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ffaarr" title="User talk:Ffaarr">(talk)</a> 13:54 2006年1月13日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>比较支持Ffaarr的意见。确实,虚拟人物也可能写成很大的条目。如果条目到了一定字数,也不一定需要删除。我写的这个<a href="/wiki/%E9%98%BF%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%C2%B7%E8%90%A8%E6%8B%89" title="阿斯兰·萨拉">阿斯兰·萨拉</a>可做参考。--<a href="/wiki/User:Douglasfrankfort" title="User:Douglasfrankfort">Douglasfrankfort</a> 14:16 2006年1月13日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>作品中的主要角色或具有很多情节的角色当然可以成为条目,在这里提出问题就是确立什么虚拟人物可以成为条目,不知名的作品的免洗人物肯定是不能成为条目的。--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:211.94.168.18&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:211.94.168.18(页面不存在)">211.94.168.18</a> 10:54 2006年1月16日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>我個人覺得頗難有一個一定的準則, 畢竟每一個人的看法不同. 我認為只要有人肯寫條目, 而條目中的文章有來源可證, 條目長度足夠, 那麼任何角色也可以有自己的條目. 畢竟真正的免洗人物等跑龍套角色應該不可能有足夠的資料來支援條目長度, 如果有人濫開條目, 最後必定是被刪除. 如果有一個必要的準則, 那麼很簡單, 所有虛擬作品的人物都必需在一個統一頁中列出, 如果該作品的統一人物頁長度超過15或20kB的話, 那麼就由重要角色(如主角)開始移出去建立該角色的獨立條目, 直至該統一人物頁大小比那個指定數字為小. 那樣的話, 大部份免洗人物一定不可能有自己的條目, 而根據重要性來排列創建條目也是一個好辦法. <a href="/wiki/User:Mythsearcher" title="User:Mythsearcher">神話的搜尋者</a> 15:57 2006年1月16日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期" data-mw-thread-id="h-人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期"><span id=".E4.BA.BA.E7.89.A9.E4.BC.A0.E8.AE.B0.E6.9D.A1.E7.9B.AE.E7.9A.84.E6.A0.BC.E5.BC.8F.E9.97.AE.E9.A2.98.EF.BC.9A.E5.85.B3.E4.BA.8E.E7.94.9F.E5.8D.92.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.9F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期"></span>人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期<span data-mw-comment-end="h-人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="编辑章节:人物传记条目的格式问题:关于生卒日期"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u4eba\u7269\u4f20\u8bb0\u6761\u76ee\u7684\u683c\u5f0f\u95ee\u9898\uff1a\u5173\u4e8e\u751f\u5352\u65e5\u671f","replies":[]}}--></div> <p><i>from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></i> </p><p>最近,我和<a href="/wiki/User:Alltonight" title="User:Alltonight">阿儒</a>在人物传记条目的生卒日期写法上有争论(参见<a href="/wiki/%E7%90%B3%E5%A8%9C%C2%B7%E6%A2%85%E8%BF%AA%E7%B4%8D" title="琳娜·梅迪納">琳娜·梅迪納</a>条目编辑历史)。我认为,在条目开头人物姓名后的括号内,应该统一注明人物生卒日期,即使生卒日期写在了本条目人物表格内,也有必要在正文中的开头写明生卒日期,这是当前<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)">维基的格式要求</a>。但阿儒认为,用表格来填写人物生卒日期更好,而且如果有了表格,就反对在条目中再写生卒日期。我不想发生编辑战,但我认为人物传记格式需要统一,究竟采用正文括号的格式,还是采用表格的格式,还是说两者可以并用,我期待维基人达成共识,希望各位能说明你们的看法。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%B8%9F%E7%94%B2" title="User:鸟甲">鸟甲</a> 19:26:14 2006年5月23日 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>我支持两者可以并用--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 19:28 2006年5月23日 (UTC)</li> <li>我也支持两者可以并用,而且认为正文篇首必须包含生卒日期(除非日期不明),表格可以有,也可以没有。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%B8%9F%E7%94%B2" title="User:鸟甲">鸟甲</a> 19:31:59 2006年5月23日 (UTC)</li> <li>支持兩者可以並用。--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Jasonzhuocn" title="User:Jasonzhuocn"><span style="color:green;">Jasonzhuocn</span></a></b>....<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jasonzhuocn" title="User talk:Jasonzhuocn"><small>_交流</small></a> 19:37 2006年5月23日 (UTC)</li> <li>我认为正文中必须有,因为表格本身是可有可无的。如有表格,当然也写上为好。—<a href="/wiki/User:Fdcn" title="User:Fdcn"><span style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid gray; background: white; color: gray; font-family:隶书;"> fdcn </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fdcn" title="User talk:Fdcn"><span style="padding: 0px; border: 1px solid gray; background: gray; color: white; font-family:隶书;"> talk </span></a> 2006年05月23日23:36 (UTC+8 07:36)</li> <li>无论表格中有没有,正文中最好在开头都有该人物的生卒日期。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83%E9%98%81" title="User:用心阁">用心阁</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%94%A8%E5%BF%83%E9%98%81" title="User talk:用心阁">(对话页)</a> 01:51 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li> <li>表格是快速參考用的選擇性輔助工具,但是本文開頭的格式我支持應該還是要統一加入人物的生卒,兩者並存並不會有任何缺點吧。--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> 02:49 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li> <li>我認爲兩者並用很好。--<a href="/wiki/User:Pubuhan" title="User:Pubuhan"><b><font color="#ff8e00">瀑布汗</font></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pubuhan" title="User talk:Pubuhan"><b><font size="-1" color="#99ccff">夏用瀑布汗,冬改瀑布寒(這裡涼爽)</font></b></a> 03:33 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li> <li>表格是辅助性的,它的使用不应该影响到正文,也就是无论表格有无,我都建议在正文注明生卒年。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%95%BF%E5%A4%9C%E6%97%A0%E9%A3%8E" title="User:长夜无风">长夜无风</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%95%BF%E5%A4%9C%E6%97%A0%E9%A3%8E" title="User talk:长夜无风">风言风语</a>) 04:18 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li> <li>嗯,資訊的適當重複是合理且有用的。--<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_keditbookmarks.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Crystal_keditbookmarks.png/16px-Crystal_keditbookmarks.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Crystal_keditbookmarks.png/24px-Crystal_keditbookmarks.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Crystal_keditbookmarks.png/32px-Crystal_keditbookmarks.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/User:%CE%A0rate" title="User:Πrate">百楽兎</a> 05:29 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>我個人是這樣認為:除了少數非用圖說或表格否則講不清的例子之外,條目的本文應該把所有資訊都寫進去;也就是說,在讀者看不到表格和圖像的時候,單看內容就可以知道大部分該知道的東西,表格和圖像只是讓理解變得便捷、容易罷了。如果這樣想的話,當然表格內容一定會在本文裡重複。--<a href="/wiki/User:Mingwangx" title="User:Mingwangx">mingwangx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mingwangx" title="User talk:Mingwangx">talk</a>) 05:43 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>我认为在开头必须写明生卒日期。实际上,维基的这项格式要求是与其他百科全书一致的。表格只是辅助的工具。--<a href="/wiki/User:Douglasfrankfort" title="User:Douglasfrankfort">Douglasfrankfort</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Douglasfrankfort" title="User talk:Douglasfrankfort">talk to me</a>) 23:55 2006年5月24日 (UTC)</li> <li>正文開頭應該必有,表格屬次(兩者都有當然最好)。除了各位提到的百科體例,以及表格圖像做為闡釋輔助,我也想順便提及一個稍次要的理由,我們作為真正自由的百科全書,還應儘可能<a href="/wiki/%E7%B6%B2%E9%A0%81%E8%A6%AA%E5%92%8C%E5%8A%9B" class="mw-redirect" title="網頁親和力">照顧全部讀者</a>的需要,包括低速網路地區的純文字瀏覽者以及使用<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display" class="extiw" title="en:Refreshable Braille display">盲文顯示器</a>或<a href="/wiki/%E8%9E%A2%E5%B9%95%E9%96%B1%E8%AE%80%E5%99%A8" title="螢幕閱讀器">螢幕閱讀器</a>的盲者等。--<a href="/wiki/User:R.O.C" title="User:R.O.C">roc</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:R.O.C" title="User talk:R.O.C">(talk)</a> 01:04 2006年5月25日 (UTC)</li> <li>我認為,表格不一定有,所以在應該統一在內文加上。除非可以肯定全部人物傳記都有表格。--<a href="/wiki/User:Onsf" title="User:Onsf">Onsf</a> 21:05 2006年5月27日 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="虚拟人物方针" data-mw-thread-id="h-虚拟人物方针"><span id=".E8.99.9A.E6.8B.9F.E4.BA.BA.E7.89.A9.E6.96.B9.E9.92.88"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-虚拟人物方针"></span>虚拟人物方针<span data-mw-comment-end="h-虚拟人物方针"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="编辑章节:虚拟人物方针"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u865a\u62df\u4eba\u7269\u65b9\u9488","replies":[]}}--></div> <p><i>from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></i> </p><p>目前,创建了大量的虚拟人物、包括了小说、动漫、电影等等。我们是不是应该建立一个相应的收录方针?目前许多在小说或动漫中出场很少的人也建立了条目,是否合适?与现实中的人物传记相比,现实人物还有一个知名度和重要性的考量,但是目前似乎对于虚拟人物完全没有。难道任何一个虚拟人物都要比现实中的一个没有什么知名度的人要来的重要吗?请大家讨论--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 08:32 2006年9月8日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>以英文版《<a href="/wiki/%E5%93%88%E5%88%A9%C2%B7%E6%B3%A2%E7%89%B9" title="哈利·波特">哈利·波特</a>》人物为例 <ul><li>主人公<a href="/wiki/%E5%93%88%E5%88%A9%C2%B7%E6%B3%A2%E7%89%B9_(%E5%B0%8F%E8%AA%AA%E8%A7%92%E8%89%B2)" class="mw-redirect" title="哈利·波特 (小說角色)">哈利·波特</a>为单独条目</li> <li>主要人物,如他的父母如<a href="/wiki/%E8%A9%B9%E5%A7%86%C2%B7%E6%B3%A2%E7%89%B9" class="mw-redirect" title="詹姆·波特">詹姆·波特</a>和<a href="/wiki/%E8%8E%89%E8%8E%89%C2%B7%E4%BC%8A%E5%87%A1" class="mw-redirect" title="莉莉·伊凡">莉莉·伊凡</a>为一个条目</li> <li>次要人物,如<a href="/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E8%8E%AB%C2%B7%E6%96%90%E5%B0%BC%E5%B9%B2" class="mw-redirect" title="西莫·斐尼干">西莫·斐尼干</a>和其他一些人在一起为一个条目</li></ul></dd> <dd>建议虚拟人物采用“拆分规则”: <ul><li>虚拟人物首先应写在相应的小说、动漫、电影作品中</li> <li>当虚拟人物的介绍篇幅超过作品条目的50%时,拆分出诸如“某某作品人物”的条目</li> <li>当“某某作品人物”中某个人物(比如主人公)的篇幅超过30%时,再单独建立条目</li></ul></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Isnow" title="User:Isnow">Isnow</a> 14:08 2006年9月8日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>我覺得大部份的虛擬人物、物品都放在作品下比較好,以<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81/%E8%99%9B%E6%93%AC%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="作品/虛擬人物(页面不存在)">作品/虛擬人物</a>這種形式的條目表現。--<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:%E7%99%BE%E6%A5%BD%E5%85%8E.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/%E7%99%BE%E6%A5%BD%E5%85%8E.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="18" data-file-height="18"/></a></span><b><a href="/wiki/User:%CE%A0rate" title="User:Πrate">百楽兎</a></b> 02:58 2006年9月9日 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd>目前,大部分的子頁面都是使用在編輯相關事務上,好像沒有用在條目上。(我印象是這樣,也許有誤。)如果要開始使用條目的子頁面,可能需要再多討論一下。--<a href="/wiki/User:Mingwangx" title="User:Mingwangx">mingwangx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mingwangx" title="User talk:Mingwangx">talk</a>) 15:16 2006年9月9日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>如果單純說50% 30%這樣比例方式似乎不合理(內容越多越長的作品條目人物反不能獨立,越短的作品條目人物卻很容易獨立),我認為應該看的是實際長度,像超過幾字應獨立條目,(提議最少得有像<a href="/wiki/%E8%A9%B9%E5%A7%86%C2%B7%E6%B3%A2%E7%89%B9" class="mw-redirect" title="詹姆·波特">詹姆·波特</a>這樣的長度,如<a href="/wiki/%E4%BD%9B%E5%9C%B0%E9%AD%94" class="mw-redirect" title="佛地魔">佛地魔</a>那樣則不應成條,應改為連結)。與其說知名度和重要性的考量,我認為比較應該重視的是條目的質量,像即使知名人物卻只有2行的介紹就不應獨立,不太知名的人物但有幾百字充實的介紹的話可以成一條目沒問題。--<a href="/wiki/User:Onsf" title="User:Onsf">Onsf</a> 19:00 2006年9月10日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>我认为这样的话,对于现实人物非常不平等。如果一个不知名的虚拟人物可以有条目,为什么你我这样不知名的普通人不能有条目呢?我觉得应该参照对待现实任务的标准来对待虚拟人物,甚至应该更加严格。因为不知名的虚拟人物对于人类社会的贡献实在太小(我认为基本上就没有什么影响),实在不应该是百科全书应该收录的。--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 06:43 2006年9月13日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>我個人認為,拿虛擬人物跟現實人物來比公平是不太恰當的,本來給記錄在維基百科就不一定是件光榮的事。其實就現實人物的情況,按<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%B2%92%E6%9C%89%E5%83%B9%E5%80%BC%E7%9A%84%E9%A0%81%E9%9D%A2" title="Wikipedia:沒有價值的頁面">Wikipedia:沒有價值的頁面</a>及<a href="/wiki/WikiProject:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0" title="WikiProject:传记">Wikipedia:專題/傳記</a>供衡量保留與否已可,並沒必要把虛擬人物的尺度設得更緊,來顯得是否公平。當然,我是支持就虛擬人物達成一個共識,我認為應該以人物的身份及背景能夠完整交代、內文的長度多於400個字節(小小作品的界線是200個字節或以下)來作衡量。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kam66be" title="User:Kam66be">Mak</a> 17:42 2006年9月15日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>不過,記得聽某位維基人提過(是虎兒嗎?)。他有一次在書上看到一個人名,不解,竟然在維基百科上查到其典故,是某本書裡的某小角色。於是極驚喜。<br/>不知名的虛擬人物的影響力小嗎?對文學的創作者和閱讀者來說,其實未必。有些創作者喜歡用冷僻到不行的典故,讀者如果沒有辦法查到典故來源,往往不能夠瞭解其含意。別的書籍和網站,因為不收錄太細微的資料,查不到。這時,維基百科就提供了理解的途徑。<br/>這樣說吧,像我這個現實的小人物,決計不會被當作「典故」寫到文章裡。但是,任何一本書裡的再怎麼不重要的角色(不重要到只有出現過一幕做了一個動作或者說了兩個字),都有可能被當作「典故」寫進文章裡。--<a href="/wiki/User:Mingwangx" title="User:Mingwangx">mingwangx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mingwangx" title="User talk:Mingwangx">talk</a>) 00:45 2006年9月14日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>有點驚訝看到書生兄拿虛擬人物跟現實人物來比,並以「对于人类社会的贡献」來作為對虛擬人物檢核的標準。若是順著這標準來想,孫悟空、豬八戒、賈寶玉、林黛玉、郭靖、黃蓉、韋小寶等人,嚴格說來對人類社會都是沒有什麼貢獻的。羅密歐、茱麗葉、灰姑娘、白雪公主、郝思嘉、白瑞德等人,好像也沒有好到哪裏去。幽書生兄一默請別介意:借用一下錢鍾書在《圍城》裡的比喻,您這是把一朵鮮花放在磅秤上,而要求它有白菜的斤兩。 --<a href="/wiki/User:LoYang" title="User:LoYang"><span style="color:# 9E0508;font-size:11pt">醉洛陽</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LoYang" title="User talk:LoYang"><span style="color:# FF6600;font-size:10pt">寒夜客來</span></a>) 20:30 2006年9月19日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>我觉得wikipedia是根据已有的研究结果、已有的报道来写条目,而不是还没有研究,就写好放在这里等人用吧?虚拟人物也有类似之处。我觉得至少某个虚拟人物能否写进wikipedia,应该有一个基本的规则:<b>如果一个虚拟人物除了在出处作品(例如<a href="/wiki/%E5%AD%99%E6%82%9F%E7%A9%BA" title="孙悟空">孙悟空</a>之于<a href="/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E6%B8%B8%E8%AE%B0" title="西游记">西游记</a>)以及相关周边作品(例如西游记的影视、动漫)中被提到以外,至少还被其他相关学术文献、新闻媒体所报道和研究,才可以写进wikipedia。</b> </p><p>在这种条件下,mingwangx的疑虑似乎可以解决:如果某个作品使用了某个虚拟人物的典故,那么它就有了进入wikipedia的条件,可以写进wikipedia。 --<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a></big>) 12:43 2006年9月25日 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></b>。</p> <p>因為國民黨前陣子成立了青年團網路部<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NAT1/4776359.shtml">網路紮藍根 青年團攻進維基</a>,雖然有來自國民黨內部的觀點來編寫百科是很好,但是也引發了一些問題: </p> <ul><li>政治人物政績要不要寫?</li> <li>政績要怎麼判斷褒貶?</li> <li>要怎麼描述政績?</li> <li>怎樣的政績才值得收錄?</li></ul> <p>這都是難以判斷的問題,尤其是在要求中立性的維基百科,所以在英語維基百科基本上是不收錄參議員眾議員的政績政見的,例如<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Begich" class="extiw" title="en:Mark Begich">en:Mark_Begich</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Risch" class="extiw" title="en:Jim Risch">en:Jim_Risch</a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Johanns" class="extiw" title="en:Mike Johanns">en:Mike_Johanns</a> </p><p>那麼,現在中文維基百科,到底應不應該收錄地方行政首長&amp;立法委員的政績呢?--<a href="/wiki/User:Morrigan" title="User:Morrigan">Morrigan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morrigan" title="User talk:Morrigan">留言</a>) <a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Morrigan-2009-04-06T05:51:00.000Z-政治人物的政績記錄"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-人神之间-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Morrigan-2009-04-06T05:51:00.000Z"></span>有足够参考资料应该就可以了。参见<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%87%8D%E8%A6%81%E6%80%A7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:重要性">Wikipedia:重要性</a>—<a href="/wiki/User:%E4%BA%BA%E7%A5%9E%E4%B9%8B%E9%97%B4" title="User:人神之间">人神之间</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E4%BA%BA%E7%A5%9E%E4%B9%8B%E9%97%B4" title="User talk:人神之间">摆哈龙门阵</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-人神之间-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Morrigan-2009-04-06T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2009年4月6日 (一) 11:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-人神之间-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Morrigan-2009-04-06T05:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/條目探討</a></b>。</p> <p>由於維基並不鼓勵<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%8F%AA%E5%BB%BA%E7%AB%8B%E8%88%87%E5%85%A7%E5%AE%B9%E7%9B%B8%E9%97%9C%E7%9A%84%E9%80%A3%E7%B5%90" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:只建立與內容相關的連結">過度連結</a>,所以如果與條目無直接相關,像日期之類的連結應該去除。中文維基條目的編者特別喜歡將日期做連結,其實絕大部份都是沒必要的。所以在此徵求共識,先將最常見的生日與忌日等模板做起,將日期上的連結去除(英文維基都已去除)。此類的模板有(如有遺漏還請補充): </p> <ul><li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Birth_date" title="Template:Birth date">birth date</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Birth_date_and_age" title="Template:Birth date and age">birth date and age</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Birth_date_and_age2" title="Template:Birth date and age2">birth date and age2</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Birth_year_and_age" title="Template:Birth year and age">birth year and age</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Death_date" title="Template:Death date">death date</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Death_date_and_age" title="Template:Death date and age">death date and age</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Bd" title="Template:Bd">bd</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:BD" title="Template:BD">BD</a>}}</code></li> <li><code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:BDD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:BDD(页面不存在)">BDD</a>}}</code></li></ul> <p>--<span style="background-color:gold;border:solid 1px;font:11px Verdana,Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Marcushsu" title="User:Marcushsu"><span style="color:navy"> Marcus Hsu </span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcushsu" title="User talk:Marcushsu"><span style="background:teal;color:white"> talk </span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z-生日、忌日相關模板的日期連結" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月11日 (六) 11:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z-生日、忌日相關模板的日期連結"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Pbdragonwang-2010-12-11T11:05:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z"></span>(?)</span><b>疑問</b>:那什麼樣的日期連結才是必須的呢?--<a href="/wiki/User:Pbdragonwang" title="User:Pbdragonwang">祥龍</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbdragonwang" title="User talk:Pbdragonwang">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Pbdragonwang-2010-12-11T11:05:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月11日 (六) 11:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbdragonwang-2010-12-11T11:05:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T12:17:00.000Z-Pbdragonwang-2010-12-11T11:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Edouardlicn-2010-12-11T12:39:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T12:17:00.000Z"></span>连结本身也并非坏事,不赞成将此作为方针或共识。—<a href="/wiki/User:Edouardlicn" title="User:Edouardlicn">Edouardlicn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edouardlicn" title="User talk:Edouardlicn">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Edouardlicn-2010-12-11T12:39:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T12:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月11日 (六) 12:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Edouardlicn-2010-12-11T12:39:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T12:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Sameboat" title="User talk:Sameboat">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sameboat-2010-12-11T13:51:00.000Z-Edouardlicn-2010-12-11T12:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月11日 (六) 13:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sameboat-2010-12-11T13:51:00.000Z-Edouardlicn-2010-12-11T12:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Sysywjel-2010-12-12T22:57:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Sysywjel" title="User:Sysywjel"><span style="padding:1px;border:2px solid gold;background:black;color:gold;font:新細明体;">苹果派</span></a>.<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sysywjel" title="User talk:Sysywjel"><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;border:solid 1px;font:11px Verdana,Arial;color:#007FFF">留言</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sysywjel-2010-12-12T22:57:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月12日 (日) 22:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sysywjel-2010-12-12T22:57:00.000Z-Marcushsu-2010-12-11T11:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u7235\u58eb\u6761\u76ee\u7684\u547d\u540d-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z-\u7235\u58eb\u6761\u76ee\u7684\u547d\u540d&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u7235\u58eb\u6761\u76ee\u7684\u547d\u540d&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u7235\u58eb\u6761\u76ee\u7684\u547d\u540d&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z-爵士条目的命名"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/條目探討</a></b>。</p> <p>目前所有爵士条目都是“人名,第N代XX爵位”的命名格式,如<a href="/wiki/%E9%98%BF%E7%91%9F%C2%B7%E9%9F%A6%E5%B0%94%E6%96%AF%E5%88%A9%EF%BC%8C%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E4%BB%A3%E5%A8%81%E7%81%B5%E9%A1%BF%E5%85%AC%E7%88%B5" class="mw-redirect" title="阿瑟·韦尔斯利,第一代威灵顿公爵">阿瑟·韦尔斯利,第一代威灵顿公爵</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%B4%84%E7%BF%B0%C2%B7%E4%B8%98%E5%90%89%E7%88%BE%EF%BC%8C%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E4%BB%A3%E9%A6%AC%E7%88%BE%E5%8D%9A%E7%BE%85%E5%85%AC%E7%88%B5" class="mw-redirect" title="約翰·丘吉爾,第一代馬爾博羅公爵">约翰·丘吉尔,第一代马尔博罗公爵</a>,这样不符合中文的习惯吧?我认为移动到<a href="/wiki/%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E4%BB%A3%E5%A8%81%E9%9D%88%E9%A0%93%E5%85%AC%E7%88%B5%E9%98%BF%E7%91%9F%C2%B7%E9%9F%8B%E7%88%BE%E6%96%AF%E5%88%A9" title="第一代威靈頓公爵阿瑟·韋爾斯利">第一代威灵顿公爵阿瑟·韦尔斯利</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E4%BB%A3%E9%A9%AC%E5%B0%94%E5%8D%9A%E7%BD%97%E5%85%AC%E7%88%B5%E7%BA%A6%E7%BF%B0%C2%B7%E4%B8%98%E5%90%89%E5%B0%94" class="mw-redirect" title="第一代马尔博罗公爵约翰·丘吉尔">第一代马尔博罗公爵约翰·丘吉尔</a>好一些。日语和韩语也是把爵位放在前面:<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%83%B3%E5%85%AC%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BA%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC" class="extiw" title="ja:ウェリントン公アーサー・ウェルズリー">ja:ウェリントン公アーサー・ウェルズリー</a>、<a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%A0%9C1%EB%8C%80_%EC%9B%B0%EB%A7%81%ED%84%B4_%EA%B3%B5%EC%9E%91_%EC%95%84%EC%84%9C_%EC%9B%B0%EC%A6%90%EB%A6%AC" class="extiw" title="ko:제1대 웰링턴 공작 아서 웰즐리">ko:제1대 웰링턴 공작 아서 웰즐리</a>;<a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%A9%E5%85%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%81%E3%83%AB" class="extiw" title="ja:マールバラ公ジョン・チャーチル">ja:マールバラ公ジョン・チャーチル</a>、<a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%A0%9C1%EB%8C%80_%EB%A7%90%EB%B2%84%EB%9F%AC_%EA%B3%B5%EC%9E%91_%EC%A1%B4_%EC%B2%98%EC%B9%A0" class="extiw" title="ko:제1대 말버러 공작 존 처칠">ko:제1대 말버러 공작 존 처칠</a>。大家认为如何?--<a href="/wiki/User:Symplectopedia" title="User:Symplectopedia">Symplectopedia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Symplectopedia" title="User talk:Symplectopedia">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z-爵士条目的命名" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2011年2月22日 (二) 13:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z-爵士条目的命名"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-阿pp-2011-02-23T10:20:00.000Z-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2011年2月23日 (三) 10:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-阿pp-2011-02-23T10:20:00.000Z-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-23T10:20:00.000Z","author":"\u963fpp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u963fpp-2011-02-23T10:20:00.000Z-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u554a\u5427\u5566\u5495"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-阿pp-2011-02-23T10:20:00.000Z-Symplectopedia-2011-02-22T13:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div 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id="c-Patvoiiage-2011-04-12T14:05:00.000Z-评级是由谁来评的?"></span>如题。--<a href="/wiki/User:Patvoiiage" title="User:Patvoiiage">Patvoiiage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patvoiiage" title="User talk:Patvoiiage">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Patvoiiage-2011-04-12T14:05:00.000Z-评级是由谁来评的?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2011年4月12日 (二) 14:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patvoiiage-2011-04-12T14:05:00.000Z-评级是由谁来评的?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="h-关于电视类人名列表的问题-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z"></span>关于电视类人名列表的问题<span data-mw-comment-end="h-关于电视类人名列表的问题-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=10" title="编辑章节:关于电视类人名列表的问题"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z-\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z-\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u5173\u4e8e\u7535\u89c6\u7c7b\u4eba\u540d\u5217\u8868\u7684\u95ee\u9898&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z-关于电视类人名列表的问题"></span>个人认为还不够完善。 如制作人、电视剧导演、编剧、创意等等职位都没有。 而且编剧与剧作家该如何区分呢? 因为这将促使这个人究竟是归属媒体列表还是归属文学类列表,这里需要一个标准了。 或者我们认为剧本作家是剧作家,而那些为电视剧或电影创作剧本的为编剧么? —<a href="/wiki/User:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iceheart"><b>蘑菇</b></a>@(<big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Iceheart">☎</a></big>)(<big><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/MrBingxin" title="Special:用户贡献/MrBingxin">♨</a></big>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z-关于电视类人名列表的问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2011年6月30日 (四) 14:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrBingxin-2011-06-30T14:38:00.000Z-关于电视类人名列表的问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z-关于人物传记条目讯息栏中添加国旗模板"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。</p> <p>近日浏览一些西方著名人物条目时,发现其中不少条目讯息栏中添加国旗有误,如<a href="/wiki/%E4%B9%94%E6%B2%BB%C2%B7%E5%8D%8E%E7%9B%9B%E9%A1%BF" title="乔治·华盛顿">乔治·华盛顿</a>一文,而且,华盛顿上任时的美国国旗与卸任时的美国国旗已经不同,应在讯息栏中采用哪一种国旗?或是不再在讯息栏中添加国旗模板?<a href="/wiki/User:Gz_deleted" title="User:Gz deleted">Gz deleted</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gz_deleted" title="User talk:Gz deleted">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z-关于人物传记条目讯息栏中添加国旗模板" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年2月15日 (三) 12:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z-关于人物传记条目讯息栏中添加国旗模板"><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Inhorw" title="User talk:Inhorw">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年2月27日 (一) 10:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z","author":"Inhorw","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z-Gz_deleted-2012-02-15T12:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z"></span>基本上佐治·華盛頓一文根本不能使用{{<a href="/wiki/Template:USA" title="Template:USA">USA</a>}},這樣只會顯示出現在的美國國旗。但其實也不需要<i>仔細</i>甄別年代,每個Country data內已有指定年份,例如<a href="/wiki/Template:Country_data_United_States" title="Template:Country data United States">Template:Country data United States</a>。選一個在他死之前最後的國旗編號即可。例如華盛頓死於1797年3月4日,那麼最近的編號為1777,因此應為{{flag|US|1777}}。也不是太困難吧。笑。<a href="/wiki/User:Justincheng12345" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Justincheng12345">Justincheng12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justincheng12345" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Justincheng12345">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z-Inhorw-2012-02-27T10:04:00.000Z" 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id="c-Zfb1200-2012-02-29T08:28:00.000Z-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z"></span>在國旗後面加個時間段不就好了,【XX-XX年XX國旗】--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zfb1200&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zfb1200(页面不存在)">Zfb1200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zfb1200" title="User talk:Zfb1200">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Zfb1200-2012-02-29T08:28:00.000Z-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年2月29日 (三) 08:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zfb1200-2012-02-29T08:28:00.000Z-Justincheng12345-2012-02-27T13:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Patrickov-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7570\u8b70\u51fa\u73fe...-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Patrickov-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z-\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7570\u8b70\u51fa\u73fe...&quot;,&quot;c-Honmingjun-2013-01-13T14:42:00.000Z-\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7570\u8b70\u51fa\u73fe...&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7570\u8b70\u51fa\u73fe...&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u5982\u679c\u6709\u7570\u8b70\u51fa\u73fe...&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%82%B3%E8%A8%98%E5%B0%88%E9%A1%8C/%E8%A9%95%E7%B4%9A/%E8%AB%8B%E6%B1%82" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:傳記專題/評級/請求"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Patrickov-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z-如果有異議出現..."></span>請求</a>頁上面說: </p> <dl><dd>如果有異議出現,那麼請在<b>臺灣</b>維基人公告欄...</dd></dl> <p>是不是因為現下的評審者主要來自臺灣? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Patrickov" title="User:Patrickov">派翠可夫</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrickov" title="User talk:Patrickov">留言按此</a>)</small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Patrickov-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z-如果有異議出現..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年5月11日 (五) 03:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Patrickov-2012-05-11T03:25:00.000Z-如果有異議出現..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z"></span>樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=13" title="编辑章节:樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tntchn-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u6a02\u5718\u662f\u5426\u8a72\u639b\u4e0a\u50b3\u8a18\u5c08\u984c\u6a21\u677f\uff1f-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tntchn-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z-\u6a02\u5718\u662f\u5426\u8a72\u639b\u4e0a\u50b3\u8a18\u5c08\u984c\u6a21\u677f\uff1f"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div 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Iver</a>這個頁面,發現它被掛上了傳記專題,可是它不會「人物傳記」,只有「樂團歷史」,哪來的「傳記專題」呢?還是我再來創個<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%9F%B3%E6%A8%82%E5%B0%88%E9%A1%8C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:音樂專題">音樂專題</a>好了?<a href="/wiki/User:Tntchn" title="User:Tntchn">tntchn</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tntchn" title="User talk:Tntchn">對話</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Tntchn" title="Special:用户贡献/Tntchn">貢獻</a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Tntchn-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z-樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年1月13日 (日) 10:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tntchn-2013-01-13T10:18:00.000Z-樂團是否該掛上傳記專題模板?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-2013-08-31T14:42:00.000Z-其實是對所謂的“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”的一個建議,"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-2013-08-31T14:42:00.000Z-其實是對所謂的“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”的一個建議," class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月31日 (六) 14:42 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-2013-08-31T14:42:00.000Z-其實是對所謂的“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”的一個建議,"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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title="國籍">國籍</a>,結果一群的華文編輯為了所謂的“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”爭執起來,有必要麼?我覺得中文維基能不能達成一個這樣的共識,對於那些一出生就拿到他國國籍的中國人(或大陸人、香港人、台灣人什麽的)後裔就直接表述為“是美國(或其他什麽國家)的一個什麽什麽樣的人”,別非要強調什麽“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”了。除非是這個人在公開的新聞報導中強調過他的族群認同,比如他認同自己是中國人或中國香港人或香港人什麽的。如果沒有的話,就一律視為美國人算了。也算減少一些編輯衝突。如果非要對他的父母有興趣的話,可以在條目里的一些“早年生活”或“家庭生活”段落提一句,他的父母來自台灣或中國大陸什麽的。非要為了一個外國人大打編輯戰,真心覺得沒必要了。就好比哪個網絡傳聞,孔子非要給韓國么? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iceheart">一片冰心在玉壺</a></b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Iceheart">問訊處</a>||<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/MrBingxin" title="Special:用户贡献/MrBingxin">功勞簿</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z-其實是對所謂的“美籍華裔”和“台裔美籍”的一個建議," class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月7日 (三) 16:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yinweichen-2013-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z"></span>同意。有關人物的資料必須和條目內容有一定的關聯性。如果其華裔/臺灣(姑且不說兩者有何衝突)身份對其生平簡述有促進瞭解的作用,則當然應該納入條目中。再加上為了刻意加入「華裔」而引起爭執,實在不應該這樣浪費時間啊。岔開來說,一些明星條目詳列了瑣碎的身高、體重、三圍等無關緊要甚至低俗的資料,如果不是直接幫助認識這個人物的數據(如姚明的身高、最短腰圍世界記錄保持者的三圍、相撲手的體重等等),絕不應該放在條目裏面。<span style="text-shadow: #999999 0px 0px 10px"><big><b><a href="/wiki/User:Yinweichen" title="User:Yinweichen">鋼琴小子</a></b></big> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yinweichen" title="User talk:Yinweichen">打個招呼</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Yinweichen" title="Special:用户贡献/Yinweichen">查看貢獻</a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Yinweichen-2013-08-08T03:45:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月8日 (四) 03:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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data-mw-comment-end="c-SiuMai-2013-08-12T03:14:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SElephant-2013-08-12T03:39:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-12T03:14:00.000Z"></span>族裔的認同是個複雜的問題,不見得只限於遺傳因子上的異同,往往也牽涉到語言、生活文化的差異等外在因素,且真正的重點是,當事人本身對自己的認同:所以如果有些台灣人認為自己跟中國人不是同一邊的,那就不是同一邊。回歸原題,我也支持除非條目主題中的人物本身曾明確表達自己的族裔認同傾向,否則沒有必要強貼上標籤。--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a>™ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-SElephant-2013-08-12T03:39:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-12T03:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月12日 (一) 03:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SElephant-2013-08-12T03:39:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-12T03:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T04:27:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-13T04:18:00.000Z"></span>普遍理解族裔跟血源有關,跟政治取向或居住城市則完全無關。源頭從何算起卻值得商榷,撤退到台灣之前或之後,還是移居歐美之後。--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SiuMai" title="User talk:SiuMai">Qui cherche trouve</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T04:27:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-13T04:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 04:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T04:27:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-13T04:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-13T06:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 06:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-13T06:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z","author":"SiuMai","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-13T06:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-13T06:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z"></span>非關我個人的立場只是純粹敘述事實:跟中國大陸人被分在同一邊對部分台灣人而言是很難以忍受的一件事,對這些人來說炎黃子孫那種事情根本不在乎,但到底是台灣人還是中國人卻一定要劃分清楚。如果條目主題中的人物曾經明確表達過這種態度,才適合在模板中提及。</dd> <dd>另外,族裔的劃分並不一定100%都跟血緣有關,舉非洲游牧民族<a href="/wiki/%E5%9C%96%E7%93%A6%E9%9B%B7%E5%85%8B%E4%BA%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="圖瓦雷克人">圖瓦雷克人</a>的例子,雖然我在這裡說他們是一個「民族」,但其實其定義一般人想像中的民族有點不同。散居各地的圖瓦雷克人其實各自擁有不一樣的血緣,或說部分圖瓦雷克人其實與其他<a href="/wiki/%E6%9F%8F%E6%9F%8F%E7%88%BE%E4%BA%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="柏柏爾人">柏柏爾人</a>的血緣完全相同,但卻被認為是不同的民族。要識別是否是圖瓦雷克人,主要是看他們是否使用相同的語言、過著相同的游牧生活方式。言下之意,圖瓦雷克人就是一種族裔分別與血緣無關的例子,世界其他地方也有一些類似的例子。有興趣可以參考該條目的討論頁,<a href="/wiki/User:Wdshu" title="User:Wdshu">User:Wdshu</a>是一個社會學相關的學者,他在討論中有提到一些跟族裔認同有關的學術見解,跟此處的討論有點關連。</dd> <dd>還有另一個更知名的例子:由前<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E6%96%AF%E6%8B%89%E5%A4%AB%E8%81%AF%E9%82%A6" class="mw-redirect" title="南斯拉夫聯邦">南斯拉夫聯邦</a>分裂出來的<a href="/wiki/%E5%A1%9E%E7%88%BE%E7%B6%AD%E4%BA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="塞爾維亞">塞爾維亞</a>與<a href="/wiki/%E6%B3%A2%E5%A3%AB%E5%B0%BC%E4%BA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="波士尼亞">波士尼亞</a>,<a href="/wiki/%E5%A1%9E%E7%88%BE%E7%B6%AD%E4%BA%9E%E4%BA%BA" title="塞爾維亞人">塞爾維亞人</a>與<a href="/wiki/%E6%B3%A2%E5%A3%AB%E5%B0%BC%E4%BA%9E%E4%BA%BA" title="波士尼亞人">波士尼亞人</a>在血緣上其實是系出同源,他們主要的差異是塞爾維亞人信奉<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E6%AD%A3%E6%95%99" class="mw-redirect" title="東正教">東正教</a>,但波士尼亞人是<a href="/wiki/%E7%A9%86%E6%96%AF%E6%9E%97" title="穆斯林">穆斯林</a>,因為信仰不同所以他們也被劃分為不同的族裔,甚至還因此兵戎相見。這證明血緣只是族裔認同的其中一種考量點而已,有時包括政治態度、生活方式與信仰,都會被用來作為族裔劃分的考量。--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a>™ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 06:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z-SiuMai-2013-08-13T06:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z"></span>User:大象</a>君上面這例子不只在南斯拉夫吧,在中國大陸也是一樣,大陸官方認定的「回族」,指的是信奉回教的人,把他們全部包含在一起歸為一族,其中當然也包含本身為漢族但信奉回教的人。<br/>另外印度跟巴基斯坦也是一個例子,印度有72%的雅利安人、25%的達羅毗荼人,巴基斯坦有56.1%旁遮普人(為雅利安人、達羅毗荼人諸多人種混血)、22.6%信德人(為達羅毗荼人後裔)、13%帕坦人(為阿富汗地區的主體民族,又稱普什圖族)、4%俾路支人(伊朗人突厥人混血)。<br/>這兩國在回教未傳入印度次大陸前,可概括認定是同文同種,聖雄甘地在當初也是不想分拆成兩國。<br/>我認為<a href="/wiki/%E5%9B%9E%E6%95%99" class="mw-redirect" title="回教">回教</a>應用在種族上似乎有其特殊性,信了回教你就變成新種族「回族」,拿這特例來說明似乎不妥,因為基督教或佛教,也不會因為信仰了該教後就變成基督族或佛族。--<a href="/wiki/User:Znppo" title="User:Znppo">Znppo</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Znppo" title="User talk:Znppo">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 07:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Znppo" title="User talk:Znppo">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:49:00.000Z-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 07:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:49:00.000Z-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-13T07:49:00.000Z","author":"Znppo","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:49:00.000Z-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:49:00.000Z-Znppo-2013-08-13T07:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SElephant-2013-08-13T08:04:00.000Z-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z"></span>但是在美國信仰回教並不會改變一個人的族裔分別,亞裔跟非裔都有不少回教徒,但在美國還是會根據祖先的來源作族裔分類。可見,不同的地方,會以不同的方法來區分族裔。這問題實在太複雜完全無法一概而論,也無法在維基百科上訂一套放諸四海皆通用的標準,所以目前還是只能針對主題當事人的自我認同來標示,會比較客觀。--<a href="/wiki/User:SElephant" title="User:SElephant">泅水大象</a>™ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SElephant" title="User talk:SElephant">訐譙☎</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-SElephant-2013-08-13T08:04:00.000Z-SElephant-2013-08-13T06:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月13日 (二) 08:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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id="c-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z"></span>此外還有人將1949年作為認定美籍華裔和美籍台裔的分割點我覺得是不是過於“一刀切”了?我沒有在對岸做過民調,難道目前台灣人對於“華人”身份的認同度已經趨於零了麼?而且就目前的新聞和研究資料來說,華裔還是作為一個非常主流的定義吧?如果已經入籍的人他/她公開宣稱認同“台灣人”而不認同“華人”身份的話,我覺得貼“台裔”的標籤沒有問題。但是如果沒有公開這麼宣稱過的話,我覺得還是貼上“華裔”的標籤比較合理吧?不能因為人家父母在台灣呆過就一定要說人家是“台裔”吧?或者對於這部份人可以在華裔下面劃分成“入籍前在台灣出生或居住過的華裔”的子分類?好吧,我承認這樣的細分已經有些魔怔了。<b>我個人的觀點是,出生或曾經生活在台灣,亦或者父母由一方是台灣人的他國公民,除非他有正式宣稱自己認同“台灣人”而非“華人”,否則我覺得都應該歸類成“華裔”。</b>--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Iceheart">一片冰心在玉壺</a></b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iceheart" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Iceheart">問訊處</a>||<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/MrBingxin" title="Special:用户贡献/MrBingxin">功勞簿</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-07T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月15日 (四) 06:49 (UTC)</a><span 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title="User:C933103">C933103</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C933103" title="User talk:C933103">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月17日 (六) 19:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z","author":"C933103","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snorri-2013-08-21T09:42:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z-MrBingxin-2013-08-15T06:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snorri-2013-08-21T09:42:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z"></span>这个民调数字每个政党都可以做出有利于自己的解读。如果维基人拿来做原创研究然后居然就成了维基的惯例,那真是维基之耻。—<a href="/wiki/User:Snorri" title="User:Snorri">Snorri</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snorri" title="User talk:Snorri">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Snorri-2013-08-21T09:42:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年8月21日 (三) 09:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snorri-2013-08-21T09:42:00.000Z-C933103-2013-08-17T19:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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XX)的条目使用“XX皇室\王室”而非“XX王朝”<span data-mw-comment-end="h-建议对于各个皇室\王室(house_of_XX)的条目使用“XX皇室\王"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0&amp;action=edit&amp;section=15" title="编辑章节:建议对于各个皇室\王室(house of XX)的条目使用“XX皇室\王室”而非“XX王朝”"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\u5efa\u8bae\u5bf9\u4e8e\u5404\u4e2a\u7687\u5ba4\\\u738b\u5ba4\uff08house_of_XX\uff09\u7684\u6761\u76ee\u4f7f\u7528\u201cXX\u7687\u5ba4\\\u738b","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>目前对于各国王室的条目都是使用的“XX王朝”,窃以为,所谓“王朝”应该是由一个世袭君主统治的某一个历史时期,而这个世袭君主家族本身则为一个“皇室\王室”,这也与英文的“house of XX”更为贴切。再者,在当代,不少王室已经丧失了对于自己原有领地的统治,但仍然维持家族的贵族身份和名号的,称其为“XX王朝”就更不合适了。—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chy0614&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chy0614(页面不存在)">Chy0614</a> 2014年1月26日(日) 13:15 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;}--><h2 id="杂志销售大于5000就行" data-mw-thread-id="h-杂志销售大于5000就行-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z"><span id=".E6.9D.82.E5.BF.97.E9.94.80.E5.94.AE.E5.A4.A7.E4.BA.8E5000.E5.B0.B1.E8.A1.8C"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-杂志销售大于5000就行-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z"></span>杂志销售大于5000就行<span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-杂志销售大于5000就行"></span>那么在杂志连载文章,小说,漫画等,该期数的销售大于5000还是所有发表文章所在期的销售量之和大于5000<a href="/wiki/User:Waeping" title="User:Waeping">Waeping</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waeping" title="User talk:Waeping">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-杂志销售大于5000就行" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2014年7月29日 (二) 08:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-杂志销售大于5000就行"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z","author":"Waeping","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-\u6742\u5fd7\u9500\u552e\u5927\u4e8e5000\u5c31\u884c","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waeping-2014-07-29T08:02:00.000Z-杂志销售大于5000就行"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3A%E8%97%9D%E4%BA%BA&amp;redirect=no">Template:藝人</a></span>:{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox musical artist">Infobox musical artist</a>}}与{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E8%97%9D%E4%BA%BA" title="Template:藝人">藝人</a>}}有不少相同之处,且{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E8%97%9D%E4%BA%BA" title="Template:藝人">藝人</a>}}功能更为全面。建议将{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox musical artist">Infobox musical artist</a>}}并入{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E8%97%9D%E4%BA%BA" title="Template:藝人">藝人</a>}},可在将<a class="external text" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E9%93%BE%E5%85%A5%E9%A1%B5%E9%9D%A2/Template:Infobox_musical_artist">旧有页面</a>转至新模板之后再将{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox musical artist">Infobox musical artist</a>}}重定向至{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E8%97%9D%E4%BA%BA" title="Template:藝人">藝人</a>}}。--<a href="/wiki/User:Dabao_qian" title="User:Dabao qian">Dabao qian</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dabao_qian" title="User talk:Dabao qian">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Dabao_qian-2015-06-29T08:55:00.000Z-关于模板合并" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2015年6月29日 (一) 08:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dabao_qian-2015-06-29T08:55:00.000Z-关于模板合并"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-29T08:55:00.000Z","author":"Dabao qian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dabao_qian-2015-06-29T08:55:00.000Z-\u5173\u4e8e\u6a21\u677f\u5408\u5e76","replies":[]}}--></span><span 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title="User:Taiwanno1best">Taiwanno1best</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taiwanno1best" title="User talk:Taiwanno1best">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Taiwanno1best-2016-08-31T13:53:00.000Z-綜藝節目是否不應該放在明星條目呢?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月31日 (三) 13:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taiwanno1best-2016-08-31T13:53:00.000Z-綜藝節目是否不應該放在明星條目呢?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-2016-09-06T00:42:00.000Z-人物条目应减少奇闻逸事" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月6日 (二) 00:42 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-09-06T00:42:00.000Z-人物条目应减少奇闻逸事"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z-人物条目应减少奇闻逸事" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月7日 (日) 23:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z-人物条目应减少奇闻逸事"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E8%AF%AD%E5%BD%95" title="维基语录">维基语录</a>去,然后娱乐类的挑重要的有代表性的放上去比较好。<a href="/wiki/User:Cauchy7" title="User:Cauchy7">Cauchy7</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cauchy7" title="User talk:Cauchy7">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Cauchy7-2016-08-11T01:37:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月11日 (四) 01:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cauchy7-2016-08-11T01:37:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月11日 (四) 02:12 (UTC)</a>、<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarodalien-2016-08-11T02:12:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-11T02:12:00.000Z","author":"Jarodalien","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jarodalien-2016-08-11T02:12:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarodalien-2016-08-11T02:12:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-百战天虫-2016-08-13T16:34:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"></span>我看其实英文维基的人物传记条目也普遍存在“奇闻轶事”,如<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Xilai" class="extiw" title="en:Bo Xilai">en:Bo Xilai</a>、<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Lennon" class="extiw" title="en:Cynthia Lennon">en:Cynthia Lennon</a>,其实加入“奇闻轶事”无伤大雅,因为传记的其中一个特征是“文学性”,你难道不觉得加入这些能让平铺直叙的文字读起来更有味道了吗?只不过,如果什么琐事都写上去,就变成流水帐了。--<b><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E7%99%BE%E6%88%98%E5%A4%A9%E8%99%AB&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:百战天虫(页面不存在)">虫虫超能研究所</a></b>→<small><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E7%99%BE%E6%88%98%E5%A4%A9%E8%99%AB&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:百战天虫(页面不存在)">实验志愿者报名入口</a></b></small> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-百战天虫-2016-08-13T16:34:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月13日 (六) 16:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-百战天虫-2016-08-13T16:34:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"><span 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talk:Theodoreianmo2"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>人</b></span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theodoreianmo2/%E4%B8%AD%E6%9B%B8%E7%9C%81&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theodoreianmo2/中書省(页面不存在)"><span style="color: #00800f;"><b>甲</b></span></a>(一切重新開始)(<a href="/wiki/%E5%8F%AE%E5%99%B9" class="mw-disambig" title="叮噹">叮噹</a>呀,誰都喜歡<a href="/wiki/%E6%9E%97%E4%BF%9D%E5%85%A8" title="林保全">你</a>,小貓也自豪!) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Theodoreianmo2-2016-08-18T00:19:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月18日 (四) 00:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theodoreianmo2-2016-08-18T00:19:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<dd>凡具有来源的,基本上我认为可以保留。可以在用词上说明某某历史学家反对。--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gqqnb&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gqqnb(页面不存在)">Gqqnb</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gqqnb" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Gqqnb">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Gqqnb-2016-08-27T00:23:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年8月27日 (六) 00:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gqqnb-2016-08-27T00:23:00.000Z-Howitzer-2016-08-07T23:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-09-24T08:42:00.000Z-关于人物模板顶端的诺贝尔奖图标"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-2016-09-24T08:42:00.000Z-关于人物模板顶端的诺贝尔奖图标" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月24日 (六) 08:42 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-09-24T08:42:00.000Z-关于人物模板顶端的诺贝尔奖图标"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gqqnb-2016-09-13T23:19:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z"></span>用单一项目判断人的一生,本身就是不正确的做法,人人都不应如此做,不论在社会上还是网络上。你看一个和平奖图标,就想说“哇,这个人一生致力于和平”,你自己脑补太多了。仔细看了下,原来你说的是<b>人物模板顶端</b>的诺贝尔奖图标,确实,如果一个人获奖无数,姓名旁是不是会塞满了图标,这可能是个问题。</dd> <dd>如果人物模板里有奖项字段也有图标,我不反对删去人物模板顶端的图标。--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gqqnb&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gqqnb(页面不存在)">Gqqnb</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gqqnb" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Gqqnb">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Gqqnb-2016-09-13T23:19:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月13日 (二) 23:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gqqnb-2016-09-13T23:19:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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href="/wiki/%E8%A9%B9%E5%A7%86%E6%96%AF%C2%B7%E6%9D%9C%E5%A8%81%C2%B7%E6%B2%83%E6%A3%AE" title="詹姆斯·杜威·沃森">詹姆斯·沃森</a>的条目是否比早逝而未获奖的<a href="/wiki/%E7%BD%97%E8%8E%8E%E7%90%B3%C2%B7%E5%AF%8C%E5%85%B0%E5%85%8B%E6%9E%97" class="mw-redirect" title="罗莎琳·富兰克林">罗莎琳·富兰克林</a>条目更值得阅读?<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%AF%94%E9%87%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:比重">WP:比重</a>(或整个<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%B8%AD%E7%AB%8B" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:中立">WP:中立</a>)的核心就是反脑补,而在一人传记正文中诺贝尔奖(及其可靠来源)往往只占到一两句或一两语段,在模板中的奖项处纯文字提及获奖状况已经足够,另加一枚奖牌图片明显超出其方针限定范围。若使用了诺贝尔奖图标,为何不使用奥斯卡奖、艾美奖、金棕榈、普利兹克奖、普利策奖或其他勋章的相关图标?原因仍旧是大家会下意识脑补以强调其重要程度。</dd> <dd>本人认为模板顶端的图标必须删除。原则上模板下方的也当删除,尤其是<a href="/wiki/%E7%BA%A6%E7%91%9F%E5%A4%AB%C2%B7%E6%B1%A4%E5%A7%86%E5%AD%99" class="mw-redirect" title="约瑟夫·汤姆孙">约瑟夫·汤姆孙</a>条目中在每个人名旁标注的图标更是如此;至于具体奖项边添加的图标,本人不支持,但是愿意进一步听取维基人的看法。--<a href="/wiki/User:Morningstar1814" title="User:Morningstar1814">Morningstar1814</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morningstar1814" title="User 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:44:00.000Z-Gqqnb-2016-09-13T23:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gqqnb-2016-09-14T04:45:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:44:00.000Z"></span>你可能看到的是我的这一句“如果没有诺贝尔图标,读者不会一下子就知道他是诺贝尔得主”。我没有说<b>读者需要一下子就知道</b>,而是图标令读者一下子就知道。俗话说图文并茂、一图胜千言,就是说一张图令读者一下子就知道,提高了读者的阅读效率。读者一眼扫过去,就知道他有诺贝尔奖。为何不能用一副小小的图标提高读者的阅读效率?此外,我无法苟同“诺贝尔奖图标促进用户进一步阅读条目”在一定程度上已经反映了“用单一项目判断人的一生”的潜在心态。该图标相当于讲述诺贝尔奖的段落的总结。老师是否有介绍过“总分段落”,先用总结段落吸引读者介绍大概,然后分述详细情况。可能“诺贝尔奖图标促进用户进一步阅读条目”不够完整,我的意思是“诺贝尔奖图标促进对专主的诺贝尔获奖情况感兴趣的用户通过进一步阅读条目查找具体表述诺贝尔获奖情况的段落,获得进一步资讯”。--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gqqnb&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gqqnb(页面不存在)">Gqqnb</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gqqnb" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Gqqnb">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Gqqnb-2016-09-14T04:45:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:44:00.000Z" 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id="c-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T06:00:00.000Z-Gqqnb-2016-09-14T04:45:00.000Z"></span>感谢阁下的解释。“一下就知道”亦有一问题——虽是“图文并茂”,但在此处图像的存在亦有“喧宾夺主”之嫌疑,尤其是在其他奖项乃至其他字段基本不使用任何标示而只使用纯文本的状况下,即如上所说的<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%AF%94%E9%87%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:比重">WP:比重</a>。读者或许不必“需要”一下子知道,但其“将会”一下子知道,在诺贝尔奖往往仅占全文有限篇幅的情况下实不妥当(模板本身亦当简洁反映全文的重要信息以及比重)。目前的奖项字段已经可以通过{{awd|诺贝尔文学奖|2007}}这一方式填充,显示出的奖项本身已经加粗(亦可手工加粗),相对显眼但亦不如图标那般张扬(且丑陋,个人观点),足够吸引注意力并且亦无障碍总结诺贝尔奖段落,若用户需要搜索相关资讯,应当不难在模板或是引入段落中迅速识别之——若是不行,只能怪罪其阅读能力或是模板内容冗杂或是开篇书写不佳。提升效率固然是好(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:READABLE" class="extiw" title="en:WP:READABLE">en:WP:READABLE</a>),但操作起来应当有一定限制,方式也不仅一种。百科本身已经通过强调书写结构和搭配一定图示来便利阅读了,但尚未到使用任何手段以方便任何一方面阅读的程度。--<a href="/wiki/User:Morningstar1814" title="User:Morningstar1814">Morningstar1814</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morningstar1814" title="User talk:Morningstar1814">留言</a>) <a 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style="font-weight:bold;background:#D2691E;color:white;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:46:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z"></span>(~)</b></span><b>補充</b>不知哪位可将此章节迁移至<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">WP:互助客栈/方针</a>。此问题涉及面较广,条目诸多,感觉在方针中讨论较为合适。--<a href="/wiki/User:Morningstar1814" title="User:Morningstar1814">Morningstar1814</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morningstar1814" title="User talk:Morningstar1814">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:46:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月14日 (三) 02:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morningstar1814-2016-09-14T02:46:00.000Z-Morningstar1814-2016-09-05T01:51:00.000Z"><span 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<p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-10-08T16:42:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-2016-10-08T16:42:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年10月8日 (六) 16:42 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-10-08T16:42:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="https://www.google.co.jp/search?safe=off&amp;client=firefox-b-ab&amp;q=%22%E6%BD%A4%E5%A8%A5%22&amp;oq=%22%E6%BD%A4%E5%A8%A5%22&amp;gs_l=serp.3..0l10.1713.3710.0.4045.2.2.0.0.0.0.139.242.0j2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.2.241.9dQnG29fu9E">70萬</a>,反觀林潤妸只有<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.co.jp/search?safe=off&amp;client=firefox-b-ab&amp;q=%22%E6%9E%97%E6%BD%A4%E5%A6%B8%22&amp;oq=%22%E6%9E%97%E6%BD%A4%E5%A6%B8%22&amp;gs_l=serp.3..0.5581.6445.0.6825.3.3.0.0.0.0.83.226.3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.2.160.EmO827ev3kk">不足1萬</a>,差異非常明顯。其他語種也是使用較常用的藝名多於本名,當然如果本名比藝名常用的話,便移至本名,重要的是哪個常用。最後希望得出共識,是否有需要將藝人條目悉數移至常用名,請求得到社群的意見,謝謝。—<a href="/wiki/User:AT" title="User:AT"><span style="font-size:media;color:red;"><b>A</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AT" title="User talk:AT"><span style="font-size:media;color:red;"><b>T</b></span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月27日 (二) 07:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z","author":"AT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z-\u95dc\u65bc\u85dd\u4eba\u689d\u76ee\u61c9\u8a72\u662f\u7528\u672c\u540d\u9084\u85dd\u540d\u7684\u554f\u984c","replies":["c-\u514b\u52de\u68e3-2016-09-27T09:29:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z","c-Dabao_qian-2016-09-28T14:23:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z-關於藝人條目應該是用本名還藝名的問題"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-克勞棣-2016-09-27T09:29:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z"></span>(+)</b></span><b>同意</b>:取了藝名就是希望大家能盡量叫她這個名字,不然何必取藝名?她是藝人不是嗎?尤其當藝名確實比本名常用時,更是應該稱呼藝名。話說回來,AT君怎會用日文google來搜尋(她不是韓國人嗎?)?AT君知道有{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Google" title="Template:Google">google</a>}}模板嗎?-<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%85%8B%E5%8B%9E%E6%A3%A3" title="User talk:克勞棣">游蛇脫殼</a>/<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%85%8B%E5%8B%9E%E6%A3%A3" title="User:克勞棣"><span style="color:#5e4"><i>克勞</i>棣</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-克勞棣-2016-09-27T09:29:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月27日 (二) 09:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-克勞棣-2016-09-27T09:29:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:33:00.000Z"></span>只是有一堆人連本名也破壞而已。很明顯地連參考資料的連結都沒去點一下就胡改一通。太妍(本名金泰耎,不停被改成「金太妍」或「金泰妍」,就「妍」字而言更應改成「姸」)、Sunny(本名李純揆,較少被破壞)、潤娥(本名林潤妸,只見台灣人強行改成「林潤娥」,倒不見有人改成「允兒」的)、徐玄(本名徐朱玄,這個被大陸用戶破壞成「徐賢」比較多)的條目都有類似問題。--<a href="/wiki/User:Owennson" title="User:Owennson"><font color="green">owennson</font></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Owennson" title="User talk:Owennson"><font color="red">聊天室</font></a>、<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Owennson" title="Special:用户贡献/Owennson"><font color="blue">獎座櫃</font></a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月27日 (二) 09:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:33:00.000Z"><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月27日 (二) 09:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z","author":"AT","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetrace-2016-09-28T02:58:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"A"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z-Owennson-2016-09-27T09:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wetrace-2016-09-28T02:58:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z"></span>似乎用藝名比較適合,但本名可寫入條目首段。這樣如何?<a href="/wiki/User:Wetrace" title="User:Wetrace">Wetrace</a>歡迎參與<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%BA%E6%AC%8A%E5%B0%88%E9%A1%8C" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:人權專題">人權專題</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Wetrace-2016-09-28T02:58:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月28日 (三) 02:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wetrace-2016-09-28T02:58:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T09:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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id="c-Dabao_qian-2016-09-28T14:23:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:还有张艺兴也是一样。由于万恶的中国广电总局在作祟,所以内地媒体只能以本名「张艺兴」来称呼他。不知道中国大陆以外是什么情况,是用Lay的多还是用张艺兴的多?--<a href="/wiki/User:Dabao_qian" title="User:Dabao qian">Dabao qian</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dabao_qian" title="User talk:Dabao qian">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Dabao_qian-2016-09-28T14:23:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年9月28日 (三) 14:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dabao_qian-2016-09-28T14:23:00.000Z-AT-2016-09-27T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-28T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Dabao 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<p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-12-16T00:42:00.000Z-有关人物信息框模板中的“前缀尊称”字段"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-2016-12-16T00:42:00.000Z-有关人物信息框模板中的“前缀尊称”字段" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年12月16日 (五) 00:42 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-2016-12-16T00:42:00.000Z-有关人物信息框模板中的“前缀尊称”字段"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="mw-redirect" title="Template:艺人">艺人</a>}}。在{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_person" title="Template:Infobox person">Infobox person</a>}}的说明文档中,“前缀尊称”被解释为“在人物姓名左侧出现的文字”。可是这是英文中的用法,中文语境中的头衔一般是出现在人物姓名的右侧,例如: </p> <ul><li><b>Sir</b> Run Run Shaw → 邵逸夫<b>爵士</b></li> <li><b>The Honourable Chief Justice</b> Geoffrey Ma Tao-li → 马道立<b>首席法官</b></li></ul> <p>但是中文语境中也有出现在人物姓名左侧的头衔(例如马来西亚的<a href="/wiki/%E6%8B%BF%E7%9D%A3" title="拿督">拿督</a>),所以在这里要跟大家讨论一下这个“前缀尊称”到底应该怎么处理?是维持现状,移动到人物姓名右侧还是直接移除?--<a href="/wiki/User:Dabao_qian" title="User:Dabao qian">Dabao qian</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dabao_qian" title="User talk:Dabao qian">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Dabao_qian-2016-12-03T18:35:00.000Z-有关人物信息框模板中的“前缀尊称”字段" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年12月3日 (六) 18:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dabao_qian-2016-12-03T18:35:00.000Z-有关人物信息框模板中的“前缀尊称”字段"><span 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(UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z-Mys_721tx-2016-12-04T08:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z","author":"Dabao qian","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z-Mys_721tx-2016-12-04T08:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mys_721tx-2016-12-05T20:19:00.000Z-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z-Mys_721tx-2016-12-04T08:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mys_721tx-2016-12-05T20:19:00.000Z-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z"></span>显示的时候用honorific_suffix_for_display_purpose来代替honorific_prefix,hCard里仍然是honorific_prefix?-<a href="/wiki/User:Mys_721tx" title="User:Mys 721tx">Mys_721tx</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mys_721tx" title="User talk:Mys 721tx">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Mys_721tx-2016-12-05T20:19:00.000Z-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年12月5日 (一) 20:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mys_721tx-2016-12-05T20:19:00.000Z-Dabao_qian-2016-12-04T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yosinto-2018-03-15T23:41:00.000Z-在外国明星条目上,允许添加“中文昵称”的讨论"></span>由于很多外国明星的中文音译名字长而绕口,粉丝群体会为他们取一些“中文昵称”,以简化交流、拉近距离。比如<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B0%E8%A5%BF%E5%8D%A1%C2%B7%E6%9F%A5%E6%96%AF%E5%9D%A6" title="杰西卡·查斯坦">杰西卡·查斯坦</a>被称为“劳模姐”,<a href="/wiki/%E6%8F%90%E6%91%A9%E8%A5%BF%C2%B7%E5%A4%8F%E5%8B%92%E6%A2%85" title="提摩西·夏勒梅">提摩西·夏勒梅</a>昵称为“甜茶”,<a href="/wiki/%E9%95%BF%E6%B3%BD%E9%9B%85%E7%BE%8E" title="长泽雅美">长泽雅美</a>常被称作“麻酱”,<a href="/wiki/%E5%87%AF%E8%92%82%C2%B7%E4%BD%A9%E9%87%8C" class="mw-redirect" title="凯蒂·佩里">凯蒂·佩里</a>的“水果姐”昵称同样流传广泛,还有诸如“大表姐”<a href="/wiki/%E8%A9%B9%E5%A6%AE%E5%BC%97%C2%B7%E5%8A%B3%E4%BC%A6%E6%96%AF" class="mw-redirect" title="詹妮弗·劳伦斯">詹妮弗·劳伦斯</a>、“法鲨”<a href="/wiki/%E8%BF%88%E5%85%8B%E5%B0%94%C2%B7%E6%B3%95%E6%96%AF%E5%AE%BE%E5%BE%B7" class="mw-redirect" title="迈克尔·法斯宾德">迈克尔·法斯宾德</a>、“抖森”<a href="/wiki/%E6%B1%A4%E5%A7%86%C2%B7%E5%B8%8C%E5%BE%B7%E5%8B%92%E6%96%AF%E9%A1%BF" title="汤姆·希德勒斯顿">汤姆·希德勒斯顿</a>等等。这些非官方昵称在中文社交媒体上流传度很广,在中文传统媒体和自媒体上使用频率也越来越高,甚至其中一些得到明星本人的认可,如<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPlbriQnT_E">杰西卡·查斯坦在节目中谈论“劳模姐”外号</a>、<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCW0hahSHY">提摩西·夏勒梅在ABC谈起“甜茶”昵称</a>等等。这一现象也得到一些西方媒体的关注,例如<a href="/wiki/CNN" class="mw-redirect" title="CNN">CNN</a>在<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/03/entertainment/china-katy-perry-celebrity-nicknames/index.html">《Why Chinese people call Katy Perry 'Fruit Sister'》</a>一文中的解释与盘点、<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/queen-of-starbucks?utm_term=.xwGNPbNrK#.yt4oGjo7w">Buzzfeed盘点的34位明星的中文昵称</a>等。所以想跟诸位讨论,是否可以允许在在外国明星条目上允许添加此类“中文昵称”?如果可以,是否需要更详细的规定和限制?--<a href="/wiki/User:Yosinto" title="User:Yosinto">Yosinto</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yosinto" title="User talk:Yosinto">留言</a>) <a 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<p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-20230113161400-簡短官員條目及《中華人民共和國職官志》"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-20230113161400-簡短官員條目及《中華人民共和國職官志》" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月13日 (五) 16:14 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-20230113161400-簡短官員條目及《中華人民共和國職官志》"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-20230126081400-X年(X月)逝世人物列表" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月26日 (四) 08:14 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-20230126081400-X年(X月)逝世人物列表"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Wikipedia:格式手册/列表">Wikipedia:格式手册/列表#獨立列表之存廢標準</a>所説的“可簡單的由分類取代”的情形,但有鑒於突然大規模把這堆列表都提刪會引起不必要的恐慌,我想在這裏先尋求社群意見(不然我不知道又要被誰提報了)。<a href="/wiki/User:Sanmosa" title="User:Sanmosa">San</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">mo</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub>Συ γάρ μοι και μοίρα εί και τύχη</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sanmosa-20230108045400-X年(X月)逝世人物列表" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 04:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20230108045400-X年(X月)逝世人物列表"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>用分類取代,跟學校校友一樣,用分類也較為簡潔。且目前似乎有過度收集傾向,只要有來源(無論可不可靠)、不管有沒有條目(很多紅連)都先收集起來再說的狀態。--<a href="/wiki/User:Mafalda4144" title="User:Mafalda4144">Mafalda4144</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mafalda4144" title="User talk:Mafalda4144">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Mafalda4144-20230108050700-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 05:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mafalda4144-20230108050700-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/YFdyh000"><span style="color:steelblue;">dyh000</span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YFdyh000" title="User talk:YFdyh000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-YFdyh000-20230108120900-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 12:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YFdyh000-20230108120900-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub>Συ γάρ μοι και μοίρα εί και τύχη</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sanmosa-20230108134000-YFdyh000-20230108120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 13:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20230108134000-YFdyh000-20230108120900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108134000","author":"Sanmosa","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sanmosa-20230108134000-YFdyh000-20230108120900","replies":["c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000"],"displayName":"San"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanmosa-20230108134000-YFdyh000-20230108120900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000"></span>按照分类取代的话现阶段是{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Bd" title="Template:Bd">Bd</a>}}自动生成吧?那么要以分类替代的话只能精确到年。要精确到月的话还要另想办法。--<a href="/wiki/User:MilkyDefer" title="User:MilkyDefer"><span style="color:#09C">Milky</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MilkyDefer" title="User talk:MilkyDefer"><b><span style="color:#F09">Defer</span></b></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 14:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108140200","author":"MilkyDefer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000","replies":["c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200","c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200","c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"],"displayName":"Milky"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MilkyDefer-20230108140200-Sanmosa-20230108134000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MilkyDefer" title="User:MilkyDefer">MilkyDefer</a>:那樣的話可以只排查年列表。<a href="/wiki/User:Sanmosa" title="User:Sanmosa">San</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">mo</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub>Συ γάρ μοι και μοίρα εί και τύχη</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 14:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108140800","author":"Sanmosa","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200","replies":[],"displayName":"San"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span>比較方便自動篩選精確到月的列表的方法有Wikidata SPARQL,舉例用現成的{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Wikidata_list" title="Template:Wikidata list">wikidata list</a>}}篩出1971年1月逝世且本站已建立條目的人士,可以做到<a href="/wiki/Special:%E5%9B%BA%E5%AE%9A%E9%93%BE%E6%8E%A5/75475407" title="Special:固定链接/75475407">這種效果</a>。假如品質不明顯比系統或機械人自動產生的頁面好,可能不太值得投入人力。若確需建立類似列表也可以考慮用機械人生成初稿,然後停用機械人更新改為人手維護。——<a href="/wiki/User:HTinC23" title="User:HTinC23"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mstyle mathcolor="#0a007f"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">h</mi> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">t</mi> <msub> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">c</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn mathvariant="sans-serif">23</mn> </mrow> </msub> </mrow> </mrow> </mstyle> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/6f9d4a9c4addfd434a2e8835cc90a79e9db75b36" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:4.95ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"/></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HTinC23" title="User talk:HTinC23">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月12日 (四) 00:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112005100","author":"HTinC23","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200","replies":[],"displayName":"h\n t\n \n c\n \n 23\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HTinC23-20230112005100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span>若有需要按月分類,衹要寫機械人將{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Bd" title="Template:Bd">bd</a>}}內的參數格式換成<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Bd" title="Template:Bd">bd</a>|1901年|1月1日|2022年1月|1日}}</code>即可得到<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:2022%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:2022年1月逝世(页面不存在)">Category:2022年1月逝世</a>。(可能也要修改{{<a href="/wiki/Template:BD/isYear" title="Template:BD/isYear">BD/isYear</a>}},目前寫法似乎限制了分類的月份<a href="/wiki/2022%E5%B9%B41%E6%9C%88" title="2022年1月">2022年1月</a>需要有條目)——<a href="/wiki/User:HTinC23" title="User:HTinC23"><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mstyle mathcolor="#0a007f"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">h</mi> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">t</mi> <msub> <mi mathvariant="sans-serif">c</mi> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mn mathvariant="sans-serif">23</mn> </mrow> </msub> </mrow> </mrow> </mstyle> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/6f9d4a9c4addfd434a2e8835cc90a79e9db75b36" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.671ex; width:4.95ex; height:2.509ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"/></span></a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HTinC23" title="User talk:HTinC23">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月12日 (四) 01:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230112010100","author":"HTinC23","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200","replies":[],"displayName":"h\n t\n \n c\n \n 23\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n {\\displaystyle \\color [rgb]{0.04,0,0.5}{\\mathsf {htc_{23}}}}"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HTinC23-20230112010100-MilkyDefer-20230108140200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-YFdyh000-20230108120900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:YFdyh000" title="User:YFdyh000">YFdyh000</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:MilkyDefer" title="User:MilkyDefer">MilkyDefer</a>:我只對“X年逝世人物列表”進行排查,排查的結果是除了空列表以外,全部都是“分類可取代”,我建議全部提刪(空列表共25個,僅有1個列表項的列表共3個,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%A0%81%E9%9D%A2%E5%AD%98%E5%BB%A2%E8%A8%8E%E8%AB%96/%E8%A8%98%E9%8C%84/2023/01/08" title="Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2023/01/08">該等28個列表全部已提刪</a>)。<a href="/wiki/User:Sanmosa" title="User:Sanmosa">San</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">mo</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub>Συ γάρ μοι και μοίρα εί και τύχη</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-YFdyh000-20230108120900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 14:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-YFdyh000-20230108120900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108140800","author":"Sanmosa","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-YFdyh000-20230108120900","replies":["c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800"],"displayName":"San"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sanmosa-20230108140800-YFdyh000-20230108120900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800"></span>似乎可以重定向到 X年#逝世 章节。比如 <a href="/wiki/2015%E5%B9%B4%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8" title="2015年逝世人物列表">2015年逝世人物列表</a> 重定向到 <a href="/wiki/2015%E5%B9%B4#逝世" title="2015年">2015年#逝世</a> 或 <a href="/wiki/%E6%AD%B7%E5%B9%B4%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8#21世纪" title="歷年逝世人物列表">歷年逝世人物列表#21世纪</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Kethyga" title="User:Kethyga">Kethyga</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kethyga" title="User talk:Kethyga">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月9日 (一) 05:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230109051500","author":"Kethyga","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kethyga-20230109051500-Sanmosa-20230108140800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#8D608C;color:#FFFFFF"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tombus20032000-20230108152100-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span>(&)</span><b>建議</b>倣效英維設立<span class="ilh-all" data-orig-title="每年逝世人物列表" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="Lists of deaths by year"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E6%AF%8F%E5%B9%B4%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="每年逝世人物列表(页面不存在)">每年逝世人物列表</a></span><span class="noprint ilh-comment">(<span class="ilh-lang">英语</span><span class="ilh-colon">:</span><span class="ilh-link"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deaths_by_year" class="extiw" title="en:Lists of deaths by year"><span lang="en" dir="auto">Lists of deaths by year</span></a></span>)</span></span>,年份列表重定向至此,月列表有足夠內容的則可留下--<a href="/wiki/User:Tombus20032000" title="User:Tombus20032000">Tom......</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tombus20032000" title="User talk:Tombus20032000">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Tombus20032000-20230108152100-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月8日 (日) 15:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tombus20032000-20230108152100-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108152100","author":"Tombus20032000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tombus20032000-20230108152100-Sanmosa-20230108045400","replies":[],"displayName":"Tom......"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tombus20032000-20230108152100-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Easterlies-20230109043800-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span>个人认为<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E6%9F%90%E5%B9%B4%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="某年逝世人物列表(页面不存在)">某年逝世人物列表</a>的存在相当于是<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E6%9F%90%E5%B9%B41-12%E6%9C%88%E9%80%9D%E4%B8%96%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="某年1-12月逝世人物列表(页面不存在)">某年1-12月逝世人物列表</a>的主条目及索引,在有各月列表的情况下倾向于保留对应年列表。--<a href="/wiki/User:Easterlies" title="User:Easterlies">东风</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Easterlies" title="User talk:Easterlies">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Easterlies-20230109043800-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月9日 (一) 04:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Easterlies-20230109043800-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230109043800","author":"Easterlies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Easterlies-20230109043800-Sanmosa-20230108045400","replies":[],"displayName":"\u4e1c\u98ce"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Easterlies-20230109043800-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liu116-20230109102200-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span>只要列表内人物都有简要介绍,且列出人物足够多,“X年X月逝世人物列表”就应当保留,且当前逝世相关的分类最多只精确到年没有精确到月。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liu116" title="User:Liu116">🔨</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liu116" title="User talk:Liu116">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Liu116-20230109102200-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月9日 (一) 10:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liu116-20230109102200-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230109102200","author":"Liu116","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liu116-20230109102200-Sanmosa-20230108045400","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83d\udd28"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liu116-20230109102200-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span></dd> <dd><span style="font-weight:bold;background:lightgreen;color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LarryChou0129-20230111035300-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span>(+)</span><b><span class="zhwpVoteSupport">支持</span></b>:可由分類取代,或寫在X年的條目內,並重定向即可。且如同@<a href="/wiki/User:Mafalda4144" title="User:Mafalda4144">Mafalda4144</a>:所述,內文有許多紅鍊,甚至有許多都沒有參考資料。--<a href="/wiki/User:LarryChou0129" title="User:LarryChou0129">LarryChou0129</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LarryChou0129" title="User talk:LarryChou0129">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-LarryChou0129-20230111035300-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月11日 (三) 03:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LarryChou0129-20230111035300-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230111035300","author":"LarryChou0129","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LarryChou0129-20230111035300-Sanmosa-20230108045400","replies":["c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LarryChou0129-20230111035300-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span> <dl><dd><span lang="zh-Hant" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:參考英維<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deaths_by_year" class="extiw" title="en:Lists of deaths by year">en:Lists of deaths by year</a>做改寫?--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Sinsyuan" title="User:Sinsyuan"><span style="color:#00ff55;">Sin</span><span style="color:#00cbff;">syuan</span></a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sinsyuan" title="User talk:Sinsyuan"><span style="color:#ff0090;">Ta</span><span style="color:#ffc300;">lk</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月11日 (三) 06:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230111061500","author":"Sinsyuan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sinsyuan-20230111061500-LarryChou0129-20230111035300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span lang="zh-Hant" style="font-weight:bold;background-color:#EDE275;color:#DB6D00"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kcx36-20230111123000-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span>(!)</span><b>意見</b>:对于近年的X年X月列表: <ol><li>目前无法实现按月的分类</li> <li>列表中有大量红链</li> <li>列表不仅仅是简单罗列</li> <li>列表有人维护</li></ol> <dl><dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Kcx36" title="User:Kcx36">Kcx36</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kcx36" title="User talk:Kcx36">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Kcx36-20230111123000-Sanmosa-20230108045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年1月11日 (三) 12:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kcx36-20230111123000-Sanmosa-20230108045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230111123000","author":"Kcx36","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kcx36-20230111123000-Sanmosa-20230108045400","replies":["c-Shizhao-20230116022800-Kcx36-20230111123000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kcx36-20230111123000-Sanmosa-20230108045400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shizhao-20230116022800-Kcx36-20230111123000"></span>我没记错的话,enwiki最早是只有x年逝世人物列表,后来近2、30年的拆分成x年x月逝世人物列表,后来又把x年x月逝世人物列表合并回x年逝世人物列表,现在这是又拆分回x年x月逝世人物列表了?而且仔细看<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deaths_by_year" class="extiw" title="en:Lists of deaths by year">en:Lists of deaths by year</a>的话,这个列表只到1980年,也挺名不副实的--<a href="/wiki/User:Shizhao" title="User:Shizhao">百無一用是書生</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shizhao" title="User talk:Shizhao">☎</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Shizhao-20230116022800-Kcx36-20230111123000" 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underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E6%8E%A2%E8%AE%A8" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨">Wikipedia:互助客栈/条目探讨</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-20230423161400-有關前任/已故君主的用語" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月23日 (日) 16:14 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-20230423161400-有關前任/已故君主的用語"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-112.104.154.95-20230406065200-有關前任/已故君主的用語"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-暁月凛奈-20230406091400-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"></span>維基百科是一個長期的項目。將自己見到的重要人物逝世看得過重是一種短視,一種時間上的自我中心。人物是否逝世,序言和信息框總是會有的,如果逝世一事與上下文不存在關聯,自然是沒有添加的必要。<span style="color:#6495ED">——<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED" lang="ja">暁月凛奈</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%9A%81%E6%9C%88%E5%87%9B%E5%A5%88" title="User talk:暁月凛奈"><span style="color:#6495ED">留言</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-暁月凛奈-20230406091400-112.104.154.95-20230406065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 09:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-暁月凛奈-20230406091400-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-112.104.154.95-20230406175100-暁月凛奈-20230406091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 17:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406175100-暁月凛奈-20230406091400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230406175100","author":"112.104.154.95","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-112.104.154.95-20230406175100-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20230406091400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-112.104.154.95-20230406175100-暁月凛奈-20230406091400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-20230406172800-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"></span>已故思想家孔子</s>、<s>前政治人物周公</s> —— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>・<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>・<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Ericliu1912-20230406172800-112.104.154.95-20230406065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 17:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-20230406172800-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-112.104.154.95-20230406173600-Ericliu1912-20230406172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 17:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406173600-Ericliu1912-20230406172800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230406173600","author":"112.104.154.95","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-112.104.154.95-20230406173600-Ericliu1912-20230406172800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-112.104.154.95-20230406173600-Ericliu1912-20230406172800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sanmosa-20230413132800-Ericliu1912-20230406172800"></span>已故文學家(兼哲學家)泰戈爾?<a href="/wiki/User:Sanmosa" title="User:Sanmosa">San</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">mo</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">sa</a> <sub>Συ γάρ μοι και μοίρα εί και τύχη</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Sanmosa-20230413132800-Ericliu1912-20230406172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月13日 (四) 13:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-20230413132800-Ericliu1912-20230406172800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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(UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-暁月凛奈-20230406173600-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230406173600","author":"\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20230406173600-112.104.154.95-20230406065200","replies":["c-112.104.154.95-20230406174000-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20230406173600","c-112.104.154.95-20230406174100-\u6681\u6708\u51db\u5948-20230406173600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-暁月凛奈-20230406173600-112.104.154.95-20230406065200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406174000-暁月凛奈-20230406173600"></span>例:國會開幕大典文章中的這段描述</dd> <dd>前任英國君主伊麗莎白二世在位期間,除了在1959年及1963年因分別懷有安德魯王子及愛德華王子以及2022年因行動不便而未能出席外,歷年每屆的國會會期都是由她親自主持開幕。在頭兩次伊麗莎白二世沒有出席的國會開幕大典中,一個以坎特伯里大主教為主席的上議院專員曾受託負責主持國會會期揭幕,而御座致辭則由大法官代行。2022年當時則由查爾斯王儲代表女王發表講話</dd> <dd>和聖詹姆士宮文章中近況的這部份文章中這段的描述</dd> <dd>毗連的克拉倫斯府有著更重要的使命,它曾經是英女王伊莉莎白二世已故母親伊莉莎白王太后的寢宮,現時的主人則是國王查爾斯三世,他在2003年把祖母留下來的大樓裝修得煥然一新,從此之後這裡便成為了他的私人辦公室。--<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/112.104.154.95" title="Special:用户贡献/112.104.154.95">112.104.154.95</a>(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:112.104.154.95&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:112.104.154.95(页面不存在)">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-112.104.154.95-20230406174000-暁月凛奈-20230406173600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 17:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406174000-暁月凛奈-20230406173600"><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-112.104.154.95-20230406175700-112.104.154.95-20230406174000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406174100-暁月凛奈-20230406173600"></span>理解--<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/112.104.154.95" title="Special:用户贡献/112.104.154.95">112.104.154.95</a>(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:112.104.154.95&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:112.104.154.95(页面不存在)">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-112.104.154.95-20230406174100-暁月凛奈-20230406173600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2023年4月6日 (四) 17:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-112.104.154.95-20230406174100-暁月凛奈-20230406173600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<p class="notice metadata" id="spoiler" style="font-size: small"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimmy-bot-20240421161400-享年岁数究竟是需要来源还是可以被视为“简单计算”的结"></span>本主題或以下段落文字,<span style="text-decoration: underline;">移動自</span><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88" title="Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针">Wikipedia:互助客栈/方针</a></b>。执行者:<a href="/wiki/User:Jimmy-bot" title="User:Jimmy-bot">Jimmy-bot</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmy-bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jimmy-bot">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-Jimmy-bot-20240421161400-享年岁数究竟是需要来源还是可以被视为“简单计算”的结" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年4月21日 (日) 16:14 (UTC)</a>。<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimmy-bot-20240421161400-享年岁数究竟是需要来源还是可以被视为“简单计算”的结"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" 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那么,在中文维基百科,我们究竟是应该把享年一律统一为简单计算退一法,还是尊重来源报道,还是什么别的呢?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%99%E9%AD%94%E9%AD%94%E5%A5%B3" title="User:静魔魔女">a'4 d<i>8 e</i>8 a'4 g'4 a'4 g'8 e'8 a'2</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-静魔魔女-20240331214000-享年岁数究竟是需要来源还是可以被视为“简单计算”的结" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年3月31日 (日) 21:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-静魔魔女-20240331214000-享年岁数究竟是需要来源还是可以被视为“简单计算”的结"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:UjuiUjuMandan">ᡠᠵᡠᡳ</a></big><sup>Ujui</sup> <big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:UjuiUjuMandan" title="User talk:UjuiUjuMandan">ᡠᠵᡠ</a></big><sup>Uju</sup> <big><a href="/wiki/User:UjuiUjuMandan/%E8%AE%BA%E8%BF%B0" title="User:UjuiUjuMandan/论述">ᠮᠠᠨᡩ᠋ᠠᠨ</a></big><sup>Mandan</sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240402154000-静魔魔女-20240331214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年4月2日 (二) 15:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UjuiUjuMandan-20240402154000-静魔魔女-20240331214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">路</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:LuciferianThomas" title="User talk:LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">西</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/LuciferianThomas" title="Special:用户贡献/LuciferianThomas"><span style="color:#b00">法</span></a><a href="/wiki/%E8%B7%AF%E8%A5%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9" title="路西法主義"><span style="color:#b00">人</span></a></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_talk:%E4%BC%A0%E8%AE%B0#c-LuciferianThomas-20240403092400-静魔魔女-20240331214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2024年4月3日 (三) 09:24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LuciferianThomas-20240403092400-静魔魔女-20240331214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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