[B! 伊集院光] 伊集院光「パワプロの課金制で、プレイする気が失せた」

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class="entry-comment-title">記事へのコメント<span>95</span>件</h3> <div class="js-bookmarks-sort-tabs-group entry-comment" data-popular-count="10"> <div class="entry-comment-tabs js-bookmarks-sort-tabs"> <ul class="entry-comment-tab"> <li role="button" class="js-bookmarks-sort-tab is-active" data-sort="popular">注目コメント</li> <li role="button" class="js-bookmarks-sort-tab" data-sort="recent">新着コメント</li> </ul> </div> <div class="bookmarks-sort-panels js-bookmarks-sort-panels"> <script type="text/x-template" id="autoloader-bookmark-item"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="{{user_name}}" data-url="{{bookmarked_url}}"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="{{user_page_path}}" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-{{ sort }}-icon"><img src="{{profile_image_url}}"/ alt="{{user_name}}" title="{{user_name}}"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a 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js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="{{location_id}}" data-user-name="{{user_name}}" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button{{#enable_button}} is-enabled{{/enable_button}}" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </script> <script type="text/x-template" id="template-short-url-click"> {{#tweet_url}} <a href="{{tweet_url}}" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-gtm-click-label="reaction-twitter-clicks"><span>{{count}} clicks</span></a> {{/tweet_url}} {{^tweet_url}} <span>{{count}} clicks</span> {{/tweet_url}} </script> <div class="is-active bookmarks-sort-panel js-bookmarks-sort-panel" data-sort="popular"> <div class="js-bookmarks js-bookmarks-popular"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Mattyan" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Mattyan/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Mattyan/profile.png"/ alt="Mattyan" title="Mattyan"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Mattyan/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">Mattyan</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">これ、擁護する人も多いけど、艦これでなぜ沈没した船を救う手段が用意されていないか、を少し考えるといいと思う。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Mattyan/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/Mattyan" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="Mattyan" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kenjou" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kenjou/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kenjou/profile.png"/ alt="kenjou" title="kenjou"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kenjou/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">kenjou</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">ゲームは制約があるからこそ楽しめるものなのに、そこでお金をとって解決できるようになったらそもそもゲームとして成立しなくなるんですよね。パワプロは自らゲーム性を殺しに来たので愚かだと思います。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kenjou/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/kenjou" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="kenjou" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="your" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/your/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/your/profile.png"/ alt="your" title="your"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/your/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">your</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">「縛ればいい」と、言われるがげーまーはその存在自体に醒めるんだよねー。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/your/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/your" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="your" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ippeichangg" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ippeichangg/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ippeichangg/profile.png"/ alt="ippeichangg" title="ippeichangg"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/ippeichangg/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">ippeichangg</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">結構みんな批判的だけど、少なくともパワプロでこれをやったらいかんと思うのは、かつてサクセスモードやりすぎてで大学留年した俺だからいえること</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ippeichangg/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/ippeichangg" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="ippeichangg" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hitac" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hitac/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hitac/profile.png"/ alt="hitac" title="hitac"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hitac/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">hitac</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">金を取られることじゃなく、金を払えばゲーム内での労苦が不要になるのが嫌なのね。自分にお金がなければ関係ないけどこの手の小銭をなんとかできる位の経済力がある人間だとそりゃ白ける。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hitac/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/hitac" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="hitac" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ibiki2" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ibiki2/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ibiki2/profile.png"/ alt="ibiki2" title="ibiki2"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/ibiki2/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">ibiki2</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">１回でオールA作ってたぶんもう次買わないのパターンだよね。自分で縛るプレイに緊張感は感じないもんな。サクセスの肝は緊張感だとおもうので、どうしてもそこをスポイルしてる感じは否めない。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ibiki2/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/ibiki2" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="ibiki2" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Plachta" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Plachta/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Plachta/profile.png"/ alt="Plachta" title="Plachta"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Plachta/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">Plachta</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">同じ成果を得るのに時間をかけるか金で買うかと言う課金は割りとアリだと思うけどもパワプロは違うはず。やるならサクセス開始時にガチャで天才型やセンス○持ち等排出、他はこれまで同様一発勝負</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Plachta/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/Plachta" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="Plachta" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Santamaria_morishi" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Santamaria_morishi/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Santamaria_morishi/profile.png"/ alt="Santamaria_morishi" title="Santamaria_morishi"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Santamaria_morishi/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">Santamaria_morishi</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">よりにもよっていちばんいけないところに課金要素いれちゃった感じ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Santamaria_morishi/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/Santamaria_morishi" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="Santamaria_morishi" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="orangehalf" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/orangehalf/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/orangehalf/profile.png"/ alt="orangehalf" title="orangehalf"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/orangehalf/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">orangehalf</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">今までの成功率と同じなら課金するかはプレイヤー次第な感じで許容範囲。課金しないとまず成功しないとかだとゲームとして終わってる。それなりの金額で買っているパッケージソフトで課金前提とかはやめて欲しい</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/orangehalf/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-tags">game</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/orangehalf/20131022#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/orangehalf" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="orangehalf" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="deadman" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/deadman/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/deadman/profile.png"/ alt="deadman" title="deadman"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/deadman/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">deadman</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">課金制導入自体はなんの問題も無いけど、今時pay2winの構造作っちゃう所の、コナミのセンスのなさ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/deadman/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/deadman" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="deadman" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class=" bookmarks-sort-panel js-bookmarks-sort-panel js-bookmark-autoloader-recent" data-sort="recent" data-autoload-url="http://sekasuu.com/blog-entry-2780.html" data-next-cursor="MTM4MjQ5MDExOSwyNzY2ODg4MDc4MzU0ODczNw=="> <div class="js-bookmarks js-bookmarks-recent"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="succkerman" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/succkerman/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/succkerman/profile.png"/ alt="succkerman" title="succkerman"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/succkerman/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">succkerman</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">わかる気がするなー</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/succkerman/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8A%E3%83%9F/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">コナミ</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/succkerman/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/succkerman/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%97%E3%83%AA/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">アプリ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/succkerman/20161211#bookmark-166251346">2016/12/11</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/succkerman" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="succkerman" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="mustangen" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/mustangen/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mustangen/profile.png"/ alt="mustangen" title="mustangen"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/mustangen/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">mustangen</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">たしかにな～分かる気がするよ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/mustangen/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/mustangen/%E3%83%91%E3%83%AF%E3%82%B5%E3%82%AB/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">パワサカ</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/mustangen/%E3%83%91%E3%83%AF%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">パワプロ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mustangen/20161129#bookmark-166251346">2016/11/29</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/mustangen" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="mustangen" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hikobae" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hikobae/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hikobae/profile.png"/ alt="hikobae" title="hikobae"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hikobae/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">hikobae</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">お金でゲーム難易度を調節可能にするのはどうなの?という話。確かに、一人用ゲームでも、友達とゲーム攻略法を相談したり、苦労話で共感することがあるけど、そこに「お金で解決」が入ると萎えるな</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/hikobae/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hikobae/20140114#bookmark-166251346">2014/01/14</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/hikobae" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="hikobae" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="shibutomo" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/shibutomo/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/shibutomo/profile.png"/ alt="shibutomo" title="shibutomo"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/shibutomo/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">shibutomo</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">DLCには特に否定的では無いんだけど、さすがに効果が露骨すぎるとは思う。開発サイドの見解もわからなくはないんだけどね</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/shibutomo/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/shibutomo/20131029#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/29</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/shibutomo" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="shibutomo" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="tyoro1210" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/tyoro1210/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/tyoro1210/profile.png"/ alt="tyoro1210" title="tyoro1210"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/tyoro1210/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">tyoro1210</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment"> 共感はできるが、「緊張感保ってたものを"金で何とかなる"って認識した時点でやる気が失せる」のは感情的な話しだし、共感できない人には説明できなさそう。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/tyoro1210/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/tyoro1210/game_design/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game_design</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/tyoro1210/20131028#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/28</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/tyoro1210" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="tyoro1210" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Louis" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Louis/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Louis/profile.png"/ alt="Louis" title="Louis"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Louis/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">Louis</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">そう、サクセスモードで使用可能な顔のパーツやユニフォームなどに対する課金(無双ゲーのコスチュームみたいなもの)なら許せたと思う。実在選手のパラメーターは頑なにいじらせないくせにこれは……って思っちゃう。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/Louis/%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AA/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ラジオ</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/Louis/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/Louis/%E9%87%8E%E7%90%83/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">野球</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Louis/20131027#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/27</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/Louis" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="Louis" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="sugimo2" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/sugimo2/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/sugimo2/profile.png"/ alt="sugimo2" title="sugimo2"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/sugimo2/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">sugimo2</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">「課金制=悪」じゃなくて「課金導入のセンスが致命的」て話だよね？角を矯めて牛を殺す的な。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/sugimo2/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/sugimo2/20131026#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/sugimo2" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="sugimo2" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="omi_k" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/omi_k/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/omi_k/profile.png"/ alt="omi_k" title="omi_k"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/omi_k/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">omi_k</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">ソシャゲの課金の基本は「時は金なり」だからなー</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/omi_k/20131024#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/24</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/omi_k" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="omi_k" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="umiusi45" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/umiusi45/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/umiusi45/profile.png"/ alt="umiusi45" title="umiusi45"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/umiusi45/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">umiusi45</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">もっと言えば、ラブプラスとかが課金制になったら、無尽蔵に金を入れていくことになるんじゃないかなって」</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/umiusi45/%E3%83%96%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ブログ</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/umiusi45/%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC%E3%83%93/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">テレビ</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/umiusi45/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/umiusi45/%E3%83%8D%E3%82%BF/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ネタ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/umiusi45/20131024#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/24</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/umiusi45" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="umiusi45" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hidamalar" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hidamalar/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hidamalar/profile.png"/ alt="hidamalar" title="hidamalar"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hidamalar/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">hidamalar</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">取返しのつかない失敗をしたらそこで終わる。後悔や苛立ちを背負って次のキャラクターを育成する。それがサクセスじゃないですか。失敗の責任がないサクセスなんて意味が無い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hidamalar/20131024#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/24</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/hidamalar" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="hidamalar" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kamei_rio" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kamei_rio/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kamei_rio/profile.png"/ alt="kamei_rio" title="kamei_rio"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kamei_rio/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kamei_rio</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">確率とプレイ時間のバランスこそゲームのキモなので、その調整を怠って課金を入れるのはさすがにNG</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/kamei_rio/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/kamei_rio/%E4%BC%8A%E9%9B%86%E9%99%A2/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">伊集院</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/kamei_rio/payment/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">payment</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/kamei_rio/%E9%96%8B%E7%99%BA/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">開発</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kamei_rio/20131024#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/24</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/kamei_rio" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="kamei_rio" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="s_gozaru" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/s_gozaru/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/s_gozaru/profile.png"/ alt="s_gozaru" title="s_gozaru"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/s_gozaru/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">s_gozaru</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">課金したかキャラ一覧で区別できるようにすれば、努力が報われるのでは？　例えば見た目がメカになるとか。そうすりゃ格ゲーの禁止キャラと同じ扱いに落とし込めると思う</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/s_gozaru/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/s_gozaru/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/s_gozaru" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="s_gozaru" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ishihiro" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ishihiro/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ishihiro/profile.png"/ alt="ishihiro" title="ishihiro"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/ishihiro/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">ishihiro</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">なんか『これからは課金するのが当たり前』という風習になりそうで。確かにやっちゃった感あるな、このシステムは。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/ishihiro/%2A%2A%E3%81%82%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">**あとでタグ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ishihiro/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/ishihiro" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="ishihiro" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="solidstatesociety" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/solidstatesociety/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/solidstatesociety/profile.png"/ alt="solidstatesociety" title="solidstatesociety"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/solidstatesociety/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">solidstatesociety</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">情熱を金換算された気持ち</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/solidstatesociety/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/solidstatesociety" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="solidstatesociety" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ta-c-s" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ta-c-s/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ta-c-s/profile.png"/ alt="ta-c-s" title="ta-c-s"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/ta-c-s/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">ta-c-s</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">すごいパラメータのキャラが出来るまでに「どんだけ時間と情熱を掛けたのか」あるいは「どんだけ金突っ込んだのか」の区別が付くようにして欲しいなぁと思うオールドゲーマー</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/ta-c-s/blog/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">blog</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/ta-c-s/%E8%80%83%E3%81%88%E6%96%B9/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">考え方</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/ta-c-s/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/ta-c-s/%E4%BC%8A%E9%9B%86%E9%99%A2%E5%85%89/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">伊集院光</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ta-c-s/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/ta-c-s" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="ta-c-s" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="katokitiz" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/katokitiz/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/katokitiz/profile.png"/ alt="katokitiz" title="katokitiz"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/katokitiz/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">katokitiz</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">その内「不思議のダンジョン」も100円でゲームオーバーがなかったことに……とかなるかも。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/katokitiz/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/katokitiz/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/katokitiz" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="katokitiz" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="raitu" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/raitu/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/raitu/profile.png"/ alt="raitu" title="raitu"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/raitu/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">raitu</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">パワプロの売り上げ落ちてきたから旧来のファンを切って課金に走ったら当然旧来ユーザはガン切れって話。従来型のパッケージゲームで追加コンテンツ以外の課金はファンを減らすなあと。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/raitu/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/raitu/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/raitu" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="raitu" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="takehito-chun" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/takehito-chun/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/takehito-chun/profile.png"/ alt="takehito-chun" title="takehito-chun"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/takehito-chun/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">takehito-chun</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">これはもう完全に伊集院氏に共感なんだけど、それ以前に課金なくてもすでにパワプロつまんなくなってたよね、って問題があって</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/takehito-chun/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/takehito-chun" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="takehito-chun" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="deadman" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/deadman/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/deadman/profile.png"/ alt="deadman" title="deadman"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/deadman/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">deadman</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">課金制導入自体はなんの問題も無いけど、今時pay2winの構造作っちゃう所の、コナミのセンスのなさ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/deadman/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/deadman" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="deadman" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="iasna" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/iasna/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/iasna/profile.png"/ alt="iasna" title="iasna"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/iasna/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">iasna</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">全面的に同意。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/iasna/%E4%BC%8A%E9%9B%86%E9%99%A2%E5%85%89/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">伊集院光</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/iasna/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/iasna/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/iasna/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/iasna" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="iasna" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="clample" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/clample/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/clample/profile.png"/ alt="clample" title="clample"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/clample/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">clample</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">これの何がダメって「サイコロの出目を金で無かった事にする」という点であって、それはゲームとして根本的にダメだろうというお話</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/clample/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/clample" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="clample" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="masa-wo" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/masa-wo/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/masa-wo/profile.png"/ alt="masa-wo" title="masa-wo"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/masa-wo/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">masa-wo</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">moon</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/masa-wo/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/masa-wo" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="masa-wo" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kentommy" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kentommy/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kentommy/profile.png"/ alt="kentommy" title="kentommy"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kentommy/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kentommy</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">私的には無料ゲームが金払ったやつに有利なのは別にいいと思うんだけど、フルプライスタイトルでやられると、払わなきゃいいじゃんってだけでは済まなくなる；</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kentommy/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/kentommy" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="kentommy" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="tamakky" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/tamakky/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/tamakky/profile.png"/ alt="tamakky" title="tamakky"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/tamakky/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">tamakky</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">不思議のダンジョンシリーズで、『新作は死んでもペナルティなし、入り口に戻されるだけ。』と知ったときと似たガッカリ感。むしろ課金したとき限定という条件が加わるだけ酷いかも。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/tamakky/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/tamakky" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="tamakky" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="sacrifs" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/sacrifs/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/sacrifs/profile.png"/ alt="sacrifs" title="sacrifs"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/sacrifs/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">sacrifs</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">ネタかと思ってたら本当にこんなアイテムあるんだ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/sacrifs/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/sacrifs/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/sacrifs" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="sacrifs" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="sekine360" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/sekine360/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/sekine360/profile.png"/ alt="sekine360" title="sekine360"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/sekine360/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">sekine360</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">パワプロやったことないのでアレだけど、その選手作るのにリアルマネー使ったかどうかがパッと見で分かるようにするのはどうか。ガチゲーマーにとっては敗北の証だが、カジュアルゲーマーにはどうでもいい的な</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/sekine360/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/sekine360" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="sekine360" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kisiritooru" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kisiritooru/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kisiritooru/profile.png"/ alt="kisiritooru" title="kisiritooru"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kisiritooru/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kisiritooru</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">ファイアーエンブレムの闘技場は死んだら終わりを思い出す。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/kisiritooru/game/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">game</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/kisiritooru/%E8%80%83%E3%81%88%E6%96%B9/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">考え方</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kisiritooru/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/kisiritooru" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="kisiritooru" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="wasejo_tjkn0123" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/wasejo_tjkn0123/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/wasejo_tjkn0123/profile.png"/ alt="wasejo_tjkn0123" title="wasejo_tjkn0123"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/wasejo_tjkn0123/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">wasejo_tjkn0123</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">栄冠ナインを復活させてくれたら許す</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/wasejo_tjkn0123/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/wasejo_tjkn0123" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="wasejo_tjkn0123" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="otchy210" data-url="http://numbers2007.blog123.fc2.com/blog-entry-2780.html"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/otchy210/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/otchy210/profile.png"/ alt="otchy210" title="otchy210"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/otchy210/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">otchy210</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">オールドゲーマーとしては、最近のソシャゲのコンティニュー1回◯円ってのも、嫌儲視点とは別のチート感が許せなくて払えない。まあ縛りプレイとか好むタイプのプレイヤーだったのでどうしょうもない性分か。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/otchy210/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/otchy210" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" data-user-name="otchy210" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem 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class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">「確率で失敗したことをリセットする」のは課金青天井をイメージするので拒絶感が先行する。サクセス1プレイ100円、またはモード買取1000円～1500円という価格設定だったらどうだろう？（Wii Sports Clubの販売方法のように）</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/uhyorin/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ゲーム</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/uhyorin/20131023#bookmark-166251346">2013/10/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/166251346/comment/uhyorin" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="166251346" 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data-gtm-label="entry-about-readMore">概要を表示</button></span> <span class="js-entry-description-all is-hidden">2013年10月21日放送の「伊集院光深夜の馬鹿力」にて、『実況パワフルプロ野球2013』について語っていた。実況パワフルプロ野球2013 伊集院光「パワプロが、ついにお別れの時がきたんですよ。俺の中で。パワプロは、長くやってきてますよ。僕がやってる<a data-gtm-click-label="entry-summary-keyword" href="/q/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0">ゲーム</a>コラム<a data-gtm-click-label="entry-summary-keyword" href="/q/%E6%9C%AC">本</a>、15年くらい前から書いてるんですけどね、そのころからプレイしてますから」「ついにきたね…ウソであって欲しいって思ってるんだけど…パワプロの中で、僕の好きなサクセスモードっていうのがあるんです。選手を育てていく<a data-gtm-click-label="entry-summary-keyword" href="/q/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0">ゲーム</a>なんですけど、練習させながら一人前にして、一軍に入れる、みたいな。それで自分の試合に使えるようになる、っていう<a data-gtm-click-label="entry-summary-keyword" href="/q/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0">ゲーム</a>なんですよ」「この<a data-gtm-click-label="entry-summary-keyword" href="/q/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0">ゲーム</a>が凄い好きで、多分、これに費やした時間を封筒を作る内職に費やしてたら、相当な財をなしてたんじゃないかってくらいやってましたんですけどね(笑)」「最新のパワプロの情報を聞い</span> </p> <div class="entry-about-star"> <div 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