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Islands">Harvest Moon DS: Sunshine Islands</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Harvest_Moon_DS:_Island_of_Happiness#Merger_discussion" title="Talk:Harvest Moon DS: Island of Happiness">discussion</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Input_lag" title="Input lag">Input lag</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Lag_(video_games)#Merge_from_Input_lag" title="Talk:Lag (video games)">discussion</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Neo_Geo_Pocket" title="Neo Geo Pocket">Neo Geo Pocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Neo_Geo_Pocket_Color#Merge_NGP_here" title="Talk:Neo Geo Pocket Color">discussion</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Minecraft_%E2%80%93_Volume_Beta" title="Minecraft – Volume Beta">Minecraft – Volume Beta</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Music_of_Minecraft#Proposed_merge_of_Minecraft_–_Volume_Beta_into_Music_of_Minecraft" title="Talk:Music of Minecraft">discussion</a>)</li></ul> </div> </td> <td width="50%"> <div role="heading" style="font-weight: bold;">Other discussions</div> <div style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;">No major 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARiver_Raid%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/The_Great_Giana_Sisters" title="The Great Giana Sisters">The Great Giana Sisters</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Great_Giana_Sisters%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Haunter_(Pok%C3%A9mon)" title="Haunter (Pokémon)">Haunter (Pokémon)</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHaunter_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Bit_City" title="Bit City">Bit City</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABit_City%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Dendy" title="Dendy">Dendy</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADendy%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Dark_Urge" title="Dark Urge">Dark Urge</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADark_Urge%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet" title="Pokémon Scarlet and Violet">Pokémon Scarlet and Violet</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Jeanette_Voerman" title="Jeanette Voerman">Jeanette Voerman</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJeanette_Voerman%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Crono" title="Crono">Crono</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACrono%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Deathloop" title="Deathloop">Deathloop</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADeathloop%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Quiver_(video_game)" title="Quiver (video game)">Quiver (video game)</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AQuiver_%28video_game%29%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Regi_(Pok%C3%A9mon)" title="Regi (Pokémon)">Regi (Pokémon)</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARegi_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ridley_(Metroid)" title="Ridley (Metroid)">Ridley (Metroid)</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARidley_%28Metroid%29%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Blast_Wind" title="Blast Wind">Blast Wind</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABlast_Wind%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Project_Zero_2:_Wii_Edition" title="Project Zero 2: Wii Edition">Project Zero 2: Wii Edition</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AProject_Zero_2%3A_Wii_Edition%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Shiori_Fujisaki" title="Shiori Fujisaki">Shiori Fujisaki</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Shiori_Fujisaki/GA1" title="Talk:Shiori Fujisaki/GA1">nom</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Barry_Burton" title="Barry Burton">Barry Burton</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABarry_Burton%2FGA2&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Sea_of_Stars" title="Sea of Stars">Sea of Stars</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASea_of_Stars%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Smile" title="Pokémon Smile">Pokémon Smile</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APok%C3%A9mon_Smile%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium" title="Pokémon Stadium">Pokémon Stadium</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APok%C3%A9mon_Stadium%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Otogiris%C5%8D" title="Otogirisō">Otogirisō</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AOtogiris%C5%8D%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/M%26M%27s_Break%27_Em" title="M&M's Break' Em">M&M's Break' Em</a> (<b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AM%26M%27s_Break%27_Em%2FGA1&preload=Template%3AGAN%2Fpreload&editintro=Template%3AGAN%2Feditintro&action=edit">start</a></span></b>)</li></ul></div> <div role="heading" 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href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_kedit.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Peer review"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Nuvola_apps_kedit.png/16px-Nuvola_apps_kedit.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Nuvola_apps_kedit.png/24px-Nuvola_apps_kedit.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Nuvola_apps_kedit.png/32px-Nuvola_apps_kedit.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist" style="padding-left:1.6em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/A_Space_for_the_Unbound" title="A Space for the Unbound"><i>A Space for the Unbound</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/A_Space_for_the_Unbound/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/A Space for the Unbound/archive1">rev</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wild_Arms_(video_game)" title="Wild Arms (video game)"><i>Wild Arms</i> (video game)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Wild_Arms_(video_game)/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Wild Arms (video game)/1">nom</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Bejeweled_(video_game)" title="Bejeweled (video game)"><i>Bejeweled</i> (video game)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Bejeweled_(video_game)/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/Bejeweled (video game)/archive1">rev</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/The_Legend_of_Dragoon" title="The Legend of Dragoon"><i>The Legend of Dragoon</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/The_Legend_of_Dragoon/archive2" title="Wikipedia:Peer review/The Legend of Dragoon/archive2">rev</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_A_Link_to_the_Past" title="The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past"><i>The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_A_Link_to_the_Past/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/1">nom</a>)</li></ul> </div> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" style="border-top: 1px dotted #aaa;"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Backlog" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Backlog">Articles that need...</a></b><ul> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment">assessment</a> (<a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_video_game_articles" title="Category:Unassessed video game articles">3</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_video_game_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance video game articles">0</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_video_game_articles_for_reassessment" title="Category:Wikipedia video game articles for reassessment">reassessment</a> (0)</li> <li><a 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title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Requests">creation</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=articletopic%3Avideo-games+incategory%3A%22Articles+currently+being+merged%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1">merging</a></li> </ul> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Freewill_and_predestination" data-mw-thread-id="h-Freewill_and_predestination-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Freewill_and_predestination-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"></span>Freewill and predestination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Freewill_and_predestination-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Freewill and predestination"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"></span>dear monere,to refute your claim that the series' storyline isn't/wasn't concluded yet,please see these links that prove otherwise;defiance was indeed the conclusion to the legacy of kain series' storyline <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://xbox.ign.com/articles/456/456317p1.html#">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://games.kikizo.com/reviews/ps2/legacyofkaindefiance.asp">[2]</a>.as such,my edit is based on this info.please discuss with others your proposed edits/changes before completely deleting one's part altogether. thank you<a href="/wiki/User:Grandia01" title="User:Grandia01">Grandia01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grandia01" title="User talk:Grandia01">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"></span>I think both of you are right, it just how you look at it. I belive that your infromation is correct (not all, but that doesnt matter), but it shouldnt belong in this section, because it's non-official.</dd> <dd>Btw, Raziel indeed had the free will, he could have stay in the spectral realm for an eternity, but he chose to help in restoring the balance. Kain also had the free will tough, he could have chose to sacrifice himself to restore the balance, but in the end Raziel did it instead of Kain. Just some of my oppinion. <a href="/wiki/User:RazielZero" title="User:RazielZero">RazielZero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RazielZero" title="User talk:RazielZero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-25T13:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z"></span>hey raziel,thank you for seeing both points.i don't mind discussing stuff with other fellow editors as much as you do but monere seems to prefer otherwise<a href="/wiki/User:Grandia01" title="User:Grandia01">Grandia01</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grandia01" title="User talk:Grandia01">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z-RazielZero-2009-10-25T18:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z"></span>Okay, as it's been incoveniently placed at the start rather than end of the page I appear to have missed this section, formal apologies to whoever's concerned. Some notification that this existed would have been useful before handing out threats, but whatever.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://xbox.ign.com/articles/456/456317p1.html#">[3]</a> This is a third-party source from six years ago with no bearing on what Eidos is currently doing with the series. There have since been claims from Crystal Dynamics and Eidos that the series is not done with, will dig up several refs at request.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://games.kikizo.com/reviews/ps2/legacyofkaindefiance.asp">[4]</a> Similarly, this article harps on endings and conclusions yet is not a direct source from Eidos, it's third-party. There is a difference between official sources and the speculations of unrelated reviewers.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Kain obviously does not have free will. This is stated multiple times throughout the series from <i>Soul Reaver</i> onwards, and confirmed externally. I take issue with the following statements:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>"Kain dooms Nosgoth" Nowhere is it stated that he is attempting to alter this fact.</dd> <dd>"Moebius dies" He was not attempting to change this. He was interested only in killing Kain.</dd> <dd>"Raziel enters the reaver" Yes, in vastly different circumstances.</dd> <dd>"and the Elder God survives" Absolutely unconfirmed and unsourced.</dd> <dd>"Indicating that no matter how hard anyone tries, predestined fate can never be altered or averted." False. <i>Soul Reaver 2</i> is based entirely around this theme. Raziel's predestined fate has been altered twice. Initially he was destined to murder Kain and enter the Reaver five centuries in the past. Both events were altered.</dd> <dd>Kain's fate has undergone a full aversion. He was fated to die at Raziel's hands in the Sarafan Stronghold; this was utterly averted, changing history and refuting the above claim seven years before it was even written.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>To set things straight: If I see something incorrect I will remove it and give a reason. I have no particular like or dislike of anyone here, only the content they produce. The point of it all is to create an article without erroneous information. I'd rather you do that instead of wasting time getting together for a diplomatic chat to stroke egos. --<a href="/wiki/User:Monere" title="User:Monere">Monere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monere" title="User talk:Monere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z-Grandia01-2009-10-27T06:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"></span>Additionally, I notice Grandia01 has returned the contested content again; for civility's sake I will concede not to re-revert, but forcing speculative junk into the article to annoy an admin seems more like a provocative strike of stubborn, petty trolling than the apparent good faith professed above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Monere" title="User:Monere">Monere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monere" title="User talk:Monere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 28 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.98.36.25-2009-10-28T16:40:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z"></span>I support Monere's idea, that infromation is not official so it shouldnt be there. Also, it's not a big thing that would be missed by the people who read the page. Just remove it. I'm sure we aren't the only ones who think this way. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.98.36.25" title="Special:Contributions/80.98.36.25">80.98.36.25</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.98.36.25" title="User talk:80.98.36.25">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-80.98.36.25-2009-10-28T16:40:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.98.36.25-2009-10-28T16:40:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.98.36.25-2009-10-28T16:40:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T14:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aradiel-2009-11-02T22:24:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"></span>I also support Monere in this. In addition to what he has said, I will add William the Just from Blood Omen - originally he was meant to start conquering Nosgoth as the Nemesis, but then Kain went back in time and killed him before he could become the Nemesis. There is a direct example of someone's predestined fate being altered dramatically through the use of the Soul Reaver.</dd> <dd>A major theme throughout the series, mainly in Soul Reaver 2, is that one cannot alter predestined fault unless there are multiple Soul Reavers present. Even if the contested content stays, I recommend it is altered to make this facet apparent, as the way it is now the content is misleading. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aradiel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aradiel (page does not exist)">Aradiel</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aradiel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Aradiel (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Aradiel-2009-11-02T22:24:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aradiel-2009-11-02T22:24:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aradiel-2009-11-02T22:24:00.000Z-Monere-2009-10-28T13:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:39:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"></span>This may be a little out-of-date, but Monroe is correct, Ritual Entertainment were working on a Defiance sequel called 'The Dark Prophecy' in 2003-04 (which was cancelled) - if they were several months into work on a sequel, Defiance can't have been the planned conclusion.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.153.87" title="Special:Contributions/86.179.153.87">86.179.153.87</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.179.153.87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.179.153.87 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:39:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:39:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:39:00.000Z-Freewill_and_predestination"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances" data-mw-thread-id="h-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z"><span id="Raziel_and_Kain.27s_appearances"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Raziel and Kain's appearances<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Raziel and Kain's appearances"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.27.191.54-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances"></span>I noticed something interesting about Raziel and Kain's appearances. Anyone else see it? Kain's body looks like a bulkier and better suited variation of the Hylden, while Raziel's looks like a decayed and ghoulish version of the ancients. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.27.191.54" title="Special:Contributions/65.27.191.54">65.27.191.54</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:65.27.191.54&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:65.27.191.54 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-65.27.191.54-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.27.191.54-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.27.191.54-2008-03-19T01:46:00.000Z-Raziel_and_Kain's_appearances"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Assumptions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Assumptions-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Assumptions-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z"></span>Assumptions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Assumptions-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Assumptions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span>The article makes some incorrect assumptions, one of the main being the series was planned to go the way it did from the first game (circa 1996). This is completely incorrect. After the first game, Blood Omens; Amy Weber took the plans and drafts from the owner and presented them as her own to publishers/developers. This is why the tone of the game changed to include block puzzles, the protagonist changed to a broody anti-hero (raziel) and the game became a puzzle-action game, causing much anguish to fans of the original game. </p><p>The original game Blood Omens was an action/adventure with rpg elements; Kane was not an anti-hero. He was a no-nonsense villain who killed not just for revenge, but just for the sake of killing. (note: the human nobleman kain in the opening of blood omen before he became a vampire was not a nice person himself at all!) ALso, the soulreaver was just one of many weapons in the game; it was Amy Weber who decided to make the dramatic shift in the gameplay and storyline, the result of which are the confusing, inconsistent and gameplay wise inferior 'sequels' produced after blood omens. </p><p>Hopefully I will have time to edit and e-write the artcle since it is inaccurate in many ways and apparetnly written by someonw who is not familiar of the original bloodomen game nor the behind the scenes duplicity that was inflicted upon the original creator of the series, causing the series to veeer totally away from its roots in a confusing and garbled mess. (vampires for instance, now became a 'noble race' instead of the killing machines they were in the orignal game). </p><p>This article is interesting, and in places extremely well-written, but doesn't anyone else think that it needs some pictures? I thought that perhaps putting a picture of the game covers next to their descriptions would help the article visually, and perhaps the occasional screenshot or character art would also help. Anyone agree? <a href="/wiki/User:Dragonfly888" title="User:Dragonfly888">Dragonfly888</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z-Assumptions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-09T22:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span> </p><p><br/> <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Raziel_logo_spray_256x256.jpg" class="new" title="File:Raziel logo spray 256x256.jpg"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span>Raziel logo</span></a></span> </p> <dl><dd>I pulled this from LoK:D (or was it SR2?) to use it as a spray in <a href="/wiki/Counterstrike" class="mw-disambig" title="Counterstrike">counterstrike</a>. Not the most descriptive picture, but it's something. Do Crystal Dynamics have a website? <a href="/wiki/User:Tzarius" title="User:Tzarius">Tzarius</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z-Assumptions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z-Assumptions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T12:18:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z"></span>I can't personally find a Crystal Dynamics website, but the soul reaver games are on ediosinteractive.com and I think it's got links to their games sites as well on there. Cool picture! dunno if it really fits in the article though. Maybe it could go on Raziel's page instead - my concern is that it's a bit cartoony and doesn't really suit the atmosphere of the games. Tell ya what - sometime today or tomorrow I'll add the game cover art onto the main page. It'd be cool if someone could find a 'logo' that would suit the whole series. Also, I'm sure I once saw a template that could be used for a series of videogames - if there isn't one I reckon there should be anyway. I don't have a clue how to make templates tho. <a href="/wiki/User:Dragonfly888" title="User:Dragonfly888">Dragonfly888</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T12:18:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T12:18:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T12:18:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T08:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Lok_wallpaper01_1280.jpg" class="new" title="File:Lok wallpaper01 1280.jpg"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span>File:Lok wallpaper01 1280.jpg</span></a></span> <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/NonFreeImageRemoved.svg/200px-NonFreeImageRemoved.svg.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="220" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/NonFreeImageRemoved.svg/300px-NonFreeImageRemoved.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/NonFreeImageRemoved.svg/400px-NonFreeImageRemoved.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="220"/></a></span> </p> <dl><dd>I knew I had these somewhere! <a href="/wiki/User:Tzarius" title="User:Tzarius">Tzarius</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z-Assumptions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T21:58:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z"></span>WOW. Those are cool. It would be pretty random to just have the wallpapers sitting in the article, so perhaps it would be useful to take certain parts (such as Raziel or Kain's head to illustrate the characters) from it. Those are amazing pics tho. <a href="/wiki/User:Dragonfly888" title="User:Dragonfly888">Dragonfly888</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T21:58:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T21:58:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dragonfly888-2006-01-10T21:58:00.000Z-Tzarius-2006-01-10T21:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span>Everything looks great, but I just noticed that the cover art for LOK:Defiance is incorrect, that's not the NTSC cover. It might be an old promotional shot, since the rating is still pending ("RP" in bottom corner) Anyone have the actual cover? --<a href="/wiki/User:ThisIsMyUsername" title="User:ThisIsMyUsername">ThisIsMyUsername</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z-Assumptions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z-Assumptions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z-Assumptions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-03-17T17:52:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Sorted the defiance cover. <a href="/wiki/User:Dragonfly888" title="User:Dragonfly888">Dragonfly888</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Dragonfly888-2006-03-17T17:52:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dragonfly888-2006-03-17T17:52:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dragonfly888-2006-03-17T17:52:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reaverz-2007-02-07T20:24:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Just as a point of vandalism- I'm fairly certain that if there is a new game out for the series, that it doesn't belong in the Defiance section. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Chibi_Kiriyama" title="User:The Chibi Kiriyama">The Chibi Kiriyama</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>The article seems quite sloppy. It's interesting to to read up on all that moebius info, but should a footnote on the fifth game of a series be longer than the entire summary of games 1-3? If not moved directly to a new "Legacy of Kain: Defiance" section (each game has a section but the 5th) it should at least be placed in the mobius article. I think the article could be organized much better. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Reaverz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Reaverz (page does not exist)">Reaverz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Reaverz-2007-02-07T20:24:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reaverz-2007-02-07T20:24:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reaverz-2007-02-07T20:24:00.000Z-ThisIsMyUsername-2006-03-14T17:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p>I'd just like to add: all this is in fairly obvious and un-original imitation of two main (possibly sub-conscious) sources: The now-old movie LifeForce, (featuring the gothic crypts, a character named Kain, and a cast-iron sword strangely akin to the later SoulReaver, and of course space-vampires stealing people's 'souls' depicted as blue energies) and an even older edition of Marvel Comics' Tomb of Dracula, where Dracula is challenged by a young usurper, Gorna, the self-styled "Lord of the living lightning" who gets his comeuppance when Vlad both crisps his punk ass and blows his lower jawbones off with a bolt of lightning. (Dracula had been slinging the bolts for a lot longer than Gorna). Gorna, formerly brash and handsome, covers up his new deformities with a scarf, and goes on a quest of revenge hunting Dracula for a payback which never comes his way. He even looks lke raziel with the same shock of dark hair. Further, the character of Hannibal Lecter is such an obvious imitation itself of Vlad the Impaler (see the movie 'Hannibal Rising' where he just HAS to say 'Good Evening') that it seemed redundant to cross-reference the two; Kain simply IS yet another take on Dracula, (as Voivode) end of discussion. And yes, I agree: all the time-travel manipulations and stuff with the Hylden is due to copyright thefts and storyline impositions by competitors within the various corporations vying to swap ownership of these games. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dark_Eden_Reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dark_Eden_Reference-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dark_Eden_Reference-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"></span>Dark Eden Reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dark_Eden_Reference-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Dark Eden Reference"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span>The Dark Eden section in this article seems out of place, as the article itself seems to deal more with the games themselves than the content thereof; perhaps it should be moved elsewhere? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:66.188.40.113&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:66.188.40.113 (page does not exist)">66.188.40.113</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T20:49:00.000Z-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, mentioning DE without having a section for the Pillars is sort of strange. <a href="/wiki/User:Tzarius" title="User:Tzarius">Tzarius</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T20:49:00.000Z-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T20:49:00.000Z-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tzarius-2006-01-10T20:49:00.000Z-66.188.40.113-2006-01-10T15:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.22.44.45-2007-03-24T18:41:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span>The disambiguation link to the MMORPG Darkeden seems to have nothing to do with this series... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:213.22.44.45&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:213.22.44.45 (page does not exist)">213.22.44.45</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-213.22.44.45-2007-03-24T18:41:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.22.44.45-2007-03-24T18:41:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.22.44.45-2007-03-24T18:41:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.188.40.113-2006-04-25T03:56:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span>I think the timeline table is wrong because I have LOK: Blood Omen 2 and it has a trailer of Soul Reaver 2, so this means that Soul Reaver 2 came after Blood Omen 2. </p> <dl><dd>No, SR2 was definitely first. It came out in late 2001, and BO2 was released in early 2002. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:66.188.40.113&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:66.188.40.113 (page does not exist)">66.188.40.113</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-66.188.40.113-2006-04-25T03:56:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.188.40.113-2006-04-25T03:56:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.188.40.113-2006-04-25T03:56:00.000Z-Dark_Eden_Reference"></span></dd></dl> <p>I Agree </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Timelines_and_time_travel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Timelines_and_time_travel"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Timelines_and_time_travel"></span>Timelines and time travel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Timelines_and_time_travel"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Timelines and time travel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Should we create a table of the "timelines" within the games? </p><p>By that I mean, one table would chronicle what happened before Kain killed William. Another would chronicle what happened after Kain killed WtJ but before Raziel refused to kill Kain etc </p><p>Or would that be a bit... inappropriate? I would say it's worth a try. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?" data-mw-thread-id="h-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z"><span id="LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z"></span>LoK:Defiance plays like Devil May Cry?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: LoK:Defiance plays like Devil May Cry?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <pre><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AgentJ13-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?"></span>Has anyone notice that it plays like Devil May Cry?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AgentJ13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AgentJ13 (page does not exist)">AgentJ13</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-AgentJ13-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AgentJ13-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AgentJ13-2007-03-12T23:01:00.000Z-LoK:Defiance_plays_like_Devil_May_Cry?"></span> </pre> <pre> Yes. Everyone. </pre> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z"></span>Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - disconnect with text and picture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - disconnect with text and picture"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mugatu224-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture"></span>The cover art and text that deals with <b>Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver</b> says that his right art is imbued with the power (or at least some of the power) of the Soul Reaver. Then why does the cover art for said section show a glowing <i>left</i> hand??? (Note that it is our right, but Raziel's left) </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mugatu224&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mugatu224 (page does not exist)">Mugatu224</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Mugatu224-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)</a>Mugatu224<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mugatu224-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mugatu224-2007-03-23T18:16:00.000Z-Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver_-_disconnect_with_text_and_picture"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Raziel/Soul_Reaver_Paradox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Raziel/Soul_Reaver_Paradox"><span id="Raziel.2FSoul_Reaver_Paradox"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Raziel/Soul_Reaver_Paradox"></span>Raziel/Soul Reaver Paradox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Raziel/Soul_Reaver_Paradox"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Raziel/Soul Reaver Paradox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is anyone interested in writing something about the Raziel/Soul Reaver paradox? I.E. The apparent fact that Raziel and the Soul Reaver are one, and, well, you know. That whole thing. </p><p>P.S. I hate paradoxes. They make my head asplode. </p><p><br/> </p><p>History abhors a paradox. Bitch. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Film_is_bogus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Film_is_bogus-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Film_is_bogus-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span>Film is bogus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Film_is_bogus-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Film is bogus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z-Film_is_bogus"></span>I have removed the film stub for it is bogus. Copied from my post at Eidos' Lok:Defiance forums, "Eidos Hates this Series" </p><p><i>After my initial knee jerk reaction, which I should have never done, I went to actually conduct research into this supposed 'film'. The results my endeavors are:</i> <i>(1) of the movies that were announced on the date in question(May 21st, 2007) LoK was not mention any other blogs(Kotaku and Joystiq, slashdot didn't report on it).</i> (2) <i>This mysterious LoK film was not even pick up on news democracies/archives like digg</i> (3) <i>This Kain film was not mention on 1UP or Game Spot's coverage of the story, IGN didn't list in their Games-to-Films adaption section(the site doesn't even have an entry under 'L' section)</i> (4)<i>When cross referencing Uwe Boll with "Kain" (on google, written as it is here) it found 306 matches, but when type as this: "uwe boll" "kain" -gamernode.com, it comes up with 184 matches (most of which site the Gamer Node article or are fears of the fans posts before this alleged "news" hit). One other website exists from the last search that does fall into either of the aforementioned categories <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.chud.com/forums/archive/i...p/t-69253.html">http://www.chud.com/forums/archive/i...p/t-69253.html</a> , this site from 2004 allegedly talk to Uwe Boll on games to movies he interested in LoK. However, I have my doubts about that conversation's credibility, but alas I can't go on a crusade assaulting every website cred on this matter.</i> (5) <i>Most damning of all is that Gamer Node's source Screen Daily does not list an LoK film at all.</i> </p><p>Look I know Wiki is not original research, but my above reasons leads me to believe it is bogus. So, I going to revert my removal, until we come to a decision on it.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Merc25&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Merc25 (page does not exist)">Merc25</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z-Film_is_bogus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z-Film_is_bogus"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z-Film_is_bogus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span>I believe now it is in compliance with Wikipedia's standards. I do not believe this source[gamer node] is reliable, therefore I want to remove the entire section from the article. Can anyone verify it's credibility, before I do so, or provide a reason to leave the section? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Merc25&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Merc25 (page does not exist)">Merc25</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Merc_2k-2007-05-27T14:45:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z"></span>It seems that this is a rumour at best since, as you have pointed out, there hasn't been any official confirmation, or mention of it outside of that site. The wording could be altered to state more accurately that it is "rumoured" to be in the works, but I don't think wikipedia is the place for publishing rumours. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Merc_2k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Merc 2k (page does not exist)">Merc 2k</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Merc_2k-2007-05-27T14:45:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Merc_2k-2007-05-27T14:45:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Merc_2k-2007-05-27T14:45:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-27T09:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Merc25-2007-06-13T19:33:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span>I removed the film portion from the article for the reasons listed above and to comply with the consensus of the editors. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Merc25&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Merc25 (page does not exist)">Merc25</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Merc25-2007-06-13T19:33:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Merc25-2007-06-13T19:33:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Merc25-2007-06-13T19:33:00.000Z-Merc25-2007-05-26T11:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?" data-mw-thread-id="h-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z"><span id="LoK:_Defiance_.3D_LAST_GAME.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z"></span>LoK: Defiance = LAST GAME?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: LoK: Defiance = LAST GAME?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"></span>Is Legacy of Kain Defiance the last game to the LoK series? </p> <dl><dd>( Has anyone played Lara Croft Legend? if you change Lara's skin into the goth skin you can find Kain's bat sign on the walls!</dd></dl> <p>ps. does this means that Eidos is planning to make a sequel? </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>No way of knowing, but we can hope. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaronomus" title="User:Aaronomus">Aaronomus</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaronomus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Aaronomus (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:53:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.192.211.221-2008-04-02T21:34:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"></span>Game informer says there will be another. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.192.211.221" title="Special:Contributions/68.192.211.221">68.192.211.221</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.192.211.221" title="User talk:68.192.211.221">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-68.192.211.221-2008-04-02T21:34:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.192.211.221-2008-04-02T21:34:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.192.211.221-2008-04-02T21:34:00.000Z-LoK:_Defiance_=_LAST_GAME?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Defiance:_Own_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Defiance:_Own_Page-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Defiance:_Own_Page-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z"></span>Defiance: Own Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Defiance:_Own_Page-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Defiance: Own Page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tithonfury-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z-Defiance:_Own_Page"></span>All of the other games of this series have their own pages. It only makes sense that Defiance have its own page as well. The section in this article does not provide all the relevant information about the game. I would make one myself, but I'm really too lazy. <a href="/wiki/User:Tithonfury" title="User:Tithonfury">Tithonfury</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Tithonfury-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z-Defiance:_Own_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tithonfury-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z-Defiance:_Own_Page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tithonfury-2007-06-28T04:36:00.000Z-Defiance:_Own_Page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"></span>Trivia Section and Other Things<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Trivia Section and Other Things"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things"></span>I removed the trivia section and split it into two different sections, The Future of the Series and Music, since those were the actual topics and not trivia. I also edited the new future section with better grammar and took out most claims and sentiments, although it still needs sources, but I'm new to Wiki, so other people came do that better. Also added more to the Music section. Again, sources would be good. </p><p>Also, can we clean out the "bad article" tag at the bottom now that the Defiance article is all shiny and that I cleaned out the Trivia? <a href="/wiki/User:ClockworkCompanionCube" title="User:ClockworkCompanionCube">ClockworkCompanionCube</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z-Trivia_Section_and_Other_Things"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:55:00.000Z-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"></span>I seem to recall there being citations from the games themselves regarding plot elements, either I remember wrong, or they have been removed for some reason. I will check. <a href="/wiki/User:Aaronomus" title="User:Aaronomus">Aaronomus</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaronomus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Aaronomus (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:55:00.000Z-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:55:00.000Z-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aaronomus-2007-12-13T13:55:00.000Z-ClockworkCompanionCube-2007-11-06T15:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unclear" data-mw-thread-id="h-unclear-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unclear-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"></span>unclear<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unclear-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: unclear"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z-unclear"></span>"the PC is the only platform to contain all the games, though it is possible to play all of them with just a PS2." </p><p>just what is this supposed to mean? If you can play all of them on a ps2 then doesn't the ps2 have all the games? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.166.38.231" title="Special:Contributions/68.166.38.231">68.166.38.231</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.166.38.231&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.166.38.231 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z-unclear" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z-unclear"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z-unclear"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.21.48.181-2008-07-11T08:12:00.000Z-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"></span>I cleared this up. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.21.48.181" title="Special:Contributions/92.21.48.181">92.21.48.181</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.21.48.181&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:92.21.48.181 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-92.21.48.181-2008-07-11T08:12:00.000Z-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.21.48.181-2008-07-11T08:12:00.000Z-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.21.48.181-2008-07-11T08:12:00.000Z-68.166.38.231-2008-02-26T07:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z"></span>The Pillars of Nosgoth<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: The Pillars of Nosgoth"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.197.173.34-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth"></span>Why was the pillars of nosgoth article merged with this page? And who wrote it because they got quite a few things wrong with the specific purposes for each pillar. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.197.173.34" title="Special:Contributions/90.197.173.34">90.197.173.34</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.197.173.34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:90.197.173.34 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-90.197.173.34-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.197.173.34-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.197.173.34-2008-05-26T23:35:00.000Z-The_Pillars_of_Nosgoth"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Elder_God" data-mw-thread-id="h-Elder_God-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Elder_God-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Elder God<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Elder_God-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Elder God"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.197.173.143-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z-Elder_God"></span>Why was the Elder Gods page removed? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.197.173.143" title="Special:Contributions/90.197.173.143">90.197.173.143</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:90.197.173.143" title="User talk:90.197.173.143">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-90.197.173.143-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z-Elder_God" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.197.173.143-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z-Elder_God"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.197.173.143-2008-06-15T17:55:00.000Z-Elder_God"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Characters" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Characters-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Characters-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z"></span>The Characters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Characters-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: The Characters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.175.13.2-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z-The_Characters"></span>Some the characters who's history and activities in the Legacy of Kain universe were extremely important in understanding the story and plot behind the games, some of them have been removed completely, why is that? It doesn't make sence. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.175.13.2" title="Special:Contributions/80.175.13.2">80.175.13.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.175.13.2" title="User talk:80.175.13.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-80.175.13.2-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z-The_Characters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.175.13.2-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z-The_Characters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.175.13.2-2008-11-13T14:56:00.000Z-The_Characters"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.44.199.40-2008-11-20T23:37:00.000Z-The_Characters"></span>None of those character articles have been deleted or removed at all. They have simply been merged into <a href="/wiki/List_of_Legacy_of_Kain_characters" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Legacy of Kain characters">a single, larger article</a> for convenience. Most have even been expanded upon there. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.44.199.40" title="Special:Contributions/86.44.199.40">86.44.199.40</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.44.199.40&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.44.199.40 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-86.44.199.40-2008-11-20T23:37:00.000Z-The_Characters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.44.199.40-2008-11-20T23:37:00.000Z-The_Characters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.44.199.40-2008-11-20T23:37:00.000Z-The_Characters"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.175.13.2-2008-12-23T10:41:00.000Z-The_Characters"></span>Some have, the Hylden and Ancient Vampires are two. Can you help fix this? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.175.13.2" title="Special:Contributions/80.175.13.2">80.175.13.2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.175.13.2" title="User talk:80.175.13.2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-80.175.13.2-2008-12-23T10:41:00.000Z-The_Characters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.175.13.2-2008-12-23T10:41:00.000Z-The_Characters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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data-mw-thread-id="c-Ubuntu_10.04_april_2010-2009-07-11T21:30:00.000Z-http://lokprodigalsons.webs.com/_legacy_of_kain_prodigal_sons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ubuntu_10.04_april_2010-2009-07-11T21:30:00.000Z-http://lokprodigalsons.webs.com/_legacy_of_kain_prodigal_sons"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?" data-mw-thread-id="h-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z"><span id="WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z"></span>WTF happened to the Nosgoth page?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: WTF happened to the Nosgoth page?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_snare-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?"></span>I found this page by searching for "Nosgoth" and there used to be a beautiful page about it, complete with locations, etc. Now it's gone, and we have this undetailed skimpy piece of rubbish instead? <a href="/wiki/User:The_snare" title="User:The snare">The snare</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_snare" title="User talk:The snare">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-The_snare-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_snare-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_snare-2011-02-01T06:46:00.000Z-WTF_happened_to_the_Nosgoth_page?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy-2011-03-17T14:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy-2011-03-17T14:40:00.000Z"></span>Post-Defiance - LoK:The Dark Prophecy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy-2011-03-17T14:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Post-Defiance - LoK:The Dark Prophecy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:40:00.000Z-Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy"></span>Just wondering what's going on here? there are several redirects for Legacy of Kain: The Dark Prophecy that lead to this page; but this page makes no reference to LOK:DP at all. Ritual entertainment had begun work on a Defiance sequel (DP) in 2003, but it was cancelled (pre deaths of Tony and Kyle)and as some of the talk above attests, a lot of people have never heard of it:- a small reference might help - there are many articles out there dealing with it - try this one <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_The_Dark_Prophecy">Dark Prophecy LoK Wiki Page</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.179.153.87" title="Special:Contributions/86.179.153.87">86.179.153.87</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.179.153.87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.179.153.87 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-86.179.153.87-2011-03-17T14:40:00.000Z-Post-Defiance_-_LoK:The_Dark_Prophecy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 17 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z"><span id="Mention_on_Cain_.28biblical.29_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z"></span>Mention on Cain (biblical) article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Mention on Cain (biblical) article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-122.49.186.194-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article"></span>Can we please at least MENTION the series there? </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Brendan_Lloyd&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Brendan Lloyd (page does not exist)">Grevenko Sereth</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.49.186.194" title="Special:Contributions/122.49.186.194">122.49.186.194</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:122.49.186.194" title="User talk:122.49.186.194">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-122.49.186.194-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-122.49.186.194-2011-04-22T00:24:00.000Z-Mention_on_Cain_(biblical)_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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The models are remade, and new features are being included. Also, I can’t see why this article shouldn’t be made, because it’s of the same scope as <a href="/wiki/Tomb_Raider_I%E2%80%93III_Remastered" title="Tomb Raider I–III Remastered">Tomb Raider I-III</a> (and later <a href="/wiki/Tomb_Raider_IV%E2%80%93VI_Remastered" title="Tomb Raider IV–VI Remastered">Tomb Raider IV-VI</a>).</dd> <dd>The reason you gave, that the LoK remasters are, “almost direct copies”, when compilation articles of <a href="/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_Master_Collection" title="Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection">Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection</a>, are also upscaled direct copies too. (Unless you’re counting bonus content, of which, the LoK remaster will have much of.)</dd> <dd>I wanted to say why I disagree with your reasoning, and I don’t think the article should just be a redirect. Either way, I’m totally fine with any result. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Caleblivesblood&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Caleblivesblood (page does not exist)">Caleblivesblood</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caleblivesblood&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Caleblivesblood (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Caleblivesblood-20241114042200-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caleblivesblood-20241114042200-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caleblivesblood-20241114042200-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mika1h-20241115133600-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"></span>Oppose</b>, the collection has its own release and (soon) reception sections. There's some development info (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/24/legacy-of-kain-soul-reaver-1-2-remastered-launches-on-ps5-ps4-dec-10/">[5]</a>), and there's enough gameplay differences for a small gameplay section. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mika1h" title="User:Mika1h">Mika1h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mika1h" title="User talk:Mika1h">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-Mika1h-20241115133600-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mika1h-20241115133600-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mika1h-20241115133600-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LoK_Wiki-20241117033300-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"></span>Oppose</b>, direct copies would be a questionable POV and merge doesn't seem obligatory with plenty of directly comparable remaster compilations (including those from the same studio) receiving wholly uncontested articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:LoK_Wiki" title="User:LoK Wiki">LoK Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LoK_Wiki" title="User talk:LoK Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legacy_of_Kain#c-LoK_Wiki-20241117033300-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LoK_Wiki-20241117033300-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LoK_Wiki-20241117033300-Zxcvbnm-20241113235600"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&oldid=1257890345">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legacy_of_Kain&oldid=1257890345</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:C-Class_video_game_articles" title="Category:C-Class video game articles">C-Class video game articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_video_game_articles" title="Category:Low-importance video game articles">Low-importance video game articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Video_games_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Video games articles">WikiProject Video games articles</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_with_missing_files" title="Category:Pages with missing files">Pages with missing files</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 November 2024, at 03:33<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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