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I have deleted the reference to Richard Dawkins in this article. If anything, Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene should have credited Eugene Marais for this idea as he did in his much later Edge website discussion with Pinker. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?","c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"],"text":"Suicide by ants?","linkableTitle":"Suicide by ants?"}--><h2 id="Suicide_by_ants?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"><span id="Suicide_by_ants.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Suicide by ants?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Suicide by ants?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?","c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z","timestamp":"2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Suicide_by_ants?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?","c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"],"text":"Suicide by ants?","linkableTitle":"Suicide by ants?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"></span>The last revision of this article claims that Marais took his own life by means of ants. This seems unlikely to me. Also, the revision comes from an anonymous IP, and no substantiating details are provided regarding his death. Does anyone know if this information is correct? <a href="/wiki/User:Benanhalt" title="User:Benanhalt">Benanhalt</a> </p><p>Beefart says: I agree that the suggestion that Marais was killed by ants is most unlikely. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The reference to the ants ought to be removed until evidence ia adduced. <a href="/wiki/User:Captainbeefart" title="User:Captainbeefart">Captainbeefart</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Captainbeefart","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"></span>Not so much by ants but… </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.encounter.co.za/article/140.html">This may resolve the issue</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>This is one of several sources I found that decribes Marais method of suicide.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Michael_David" title="User:Michael David">Michael David</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z","author":"Michael David","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?","replies":["c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z-Suicide_by_ants?"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z"></span>Hello!! I just discovered, while previewing my edits of the Article, that this reference link was in the Article all along. Ain't senility grand!?!</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Michael_David" title="User:Michael David">Michael David</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z","author":"Michael David","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_David-2006-04-06T17:19:00.000Z-Michael_David-2006-04-06T16:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"],"text":"Belgian dialects?","linkableTitle":"Belgian dialects?"}--><h2 id="Belgian_dialects?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"><span id="Belgian_dialects.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Belgian dialects?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Belgian dialects?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Pietopper-2010-04-28T10:54:00.000Z-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","timestamp":"2010-04-28T10:54:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Belgian_dialects?-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"],"text":"Belgian dialects?","linkableTitle":"Belgian dialects?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"></span>Something bugged me in the paragraph about Maeterlinck's plagiarism. You state he was able to read the original because he was Belgian and some Belgian dialects resemble Afrikaans. Well, that's true to some extent but you've got the words wrong. There is no such thing as a "Belgian language". We are either Flemish and therefore speak Dutch (which is in fact related closely to Afrikaans), we are Walloon and speak French or we come from the <i>Ostkantons</i> and speak German. I know, it's rather complicated for such a comparatively small country as ours. Maeterlinck was Flemish so he was able to speak Dutch, although he seemed to have preferred French (as most bourgeois people tended to do in those days). I've made some adaptations to settle this matter. </p><p>Beefart says: A useful clarification, to be sure. I was aware of the distinction between Walloons and the Flemish but I did not know to which group Maeterlinck belonged, so I worded the original text loosely.<a href="/wiki/User:Captainbeefart" title="User:Captainbeefart">Captainbeefart</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Captainbeefart","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?","replies":["c-Pietopper-2010-04-28T10:54:00.000Z-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z-Belgian_dialects?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pietopper-2010-04-28T10:54:00.000Z-Captainbeefart-2006-03-03T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Maeterlinck's parents were French-speaking, but he grew up in the town of Ghent, which is Flemish. 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His London studies 2. Medical studies 3. Mission to German-East Africa (to resupply fighting Boer Commando’s) is not consistent with the research published in Carel van der Merwe’s novel Donker Stroom. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pierremeyerza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pierremeyerza (page does not exist)">Pierremeyerza</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pierremeyerza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Pierremeyerza (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z-Content_not_consistent_with_new_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z-Content_not_consistent_with_new_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z","author":"Pierremeyerza","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z-Content_not_consistent_with_new_research","replies":["c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z-Content_not_consistent_with_new_research"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z"></span>Describe all the errors and changes required here, and I'll change the text. <a href="/wiki/User:Ratel" title="User:Ratel">Ratel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratel" title="User talk:Ratel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z","author":"Ratel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ratel-2019-01-26T00:15:00.000Z-Pierremeyerza-2019-01-25T12:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Greenman-20230720122000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_edits-20230720122000","replies":["c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"],"text":"Recent edits","linkableTitle":"Recent edits"}--><h2 id="Recent_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_edits-20230720122000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recent_edits-20230720122000"></span>Recent edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_edits-20230720122000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Recent edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Greenman-20230720122000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_edits-20230720122000","replies":["c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits","timestamp":"20230720122000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Greenman-20230720122000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_edits-20230720122000","replies":["c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"],"text":"Recent edits","linkableTitle":"Recent edits"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Kleuske" title="User:Kleuske">Kleuske</a>:</span> thanks for making <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais&diff=1166247844&oldid=1166247678">this edit</a>. However, I am going to revert it, as while there are some improvements, there also are some substantial regressions. Marais was not born in South Africa, which didn't exist at the time, but in the <a href="/wiki/South_African_Republic" title="South African Republic">South African Republic</a>, as previously stated in the article. Some removed content and sources, such as the University of Jhb, and the Dissident Writers in Afrikaans, seem worth keeping. And replacing a specific linked term with "black tribal peoples" is not an improvement. I will attempt to restore some of the improvement after reverting, but feel free to discuss further specific changes here if you wish. <a href="/wiki/User:Greenman" title="User:Greenman">Greenman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greenman" title="User talk:Greenman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230720122000","author":"Greenman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenman-20230720122000-Recent_edits"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600","replies":["c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."],"text":"Translation of Winternag.","linkableTitle":"Translation of Winternag."}--><h2 id="Translation_of_Winternag." data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600"></span>Translation of Winternag.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Translation of Winternag."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600","replies":["c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag.","timestamp":"20231029004600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Translation_of_Winternag.-20231029004600","replies":["c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."],"text":"Translation of Winternag.","linkableTitle":"Translation of Winternag."}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."></span>Hope no-one minds this; I am fluent in both English and Afrikaans (and several other languages). I am also an internationally published poet. Afrikaans has a terse beauty that is hard to capture in English. Some translations have also missed his sad post-war reference to 'skade.' I have also taken the liberty of translating the last word as 'cold'. So here goes: </p><p>"Winter's Night" </p><p>Oh cold the breeze and thin, </p><p>shines naked in the gloom, </p><p>As wide as God's grace, </p><p>lie the fields in starlight and ruin </p><p>and high on the ridges, </p><p>spread in the burnt-lands, </p><p>is the grass seed, stirring </p><p>like waving hands. </p><p>O sad is the tune </p><p>of the east wind's beat, </p><p>like the song of a girl </p><p>abandoned in love. </p><p>in each grass blade's fold </p><p>shines a drop of dew </p><p>and fast it pales </p><p>to frost in the cold! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73">2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eug%C3%A8ne_Marais#c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231029004600","author":"2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag.","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:1D51:6B00:D001:1595:DF0A:8D73-20231029004600-Translation_of_Winternag."></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐6d94db5ff4‐jplph Cached time: 20241128203550 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.022 seconds CPU time usage: 0.227 seconds Real time usage: 0.295 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1330/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 26782/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 39/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 11/100 Expensive parser function count: 6/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 16753/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.130/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2670112/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 215.400 1 -total 92.87% 200.051 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 54.00% 116.316 1 Template:WikiProject_Biography 5.61% 12.078 1 Template:WikiProject_South_Africa 4.80% 10.348 2 Template:Sourcecheck 3.80% 8.181 1 Template:Find_page_text 3.26% 7.024 2 Template:Tlx 2.41% 5.194 2 Template:Pagetype 2.15% 4.623 1 Template:Ping 1.78% 3.831 13 Template:Yesno --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:2516961-0!canonical and timestamp 20241128203550 and revision id 1198081909. 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