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href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_4" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 4">Archive 4</a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td class="plainlinks" style="padding:0px 10px; text-align:left;"> Note: Archives may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Refactoring_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages">refactored</a>. </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr"></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:RMCD bot/" name="prefix"> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button"><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"></form></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <big><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/FAQ" title="User talk:RMCD bot/FAQ">Frequently asked questions</a></big> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open">1 Problems caused by syntax redundancy, when an RM is modified while open</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#A_relevant_January_2013_discussion_on_my_talk">1.1 A relevant January 2013 discussion on my talk</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Issue_with_bot's_function?">1.2 Issue with bot's function?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017_malformed?">1.3 Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017 malformed?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Anthony_Davis_pagemove">1.4 Anthony Davis pagemove</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Bad_edit">1.5 Bad edit</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Bot_is_deleting_wikiproject_banners">2 Bot is deleting wikiproject banners</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes">3 Followup after moves and/or closes</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-9"><a href="#bot_on_overdrive_on_a_closed_RM">3.1 bot on overdrive on a closed RM</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#Closure_of_talk_page_entries_for_a_multi-move_request?">3.2 Closure of talk page entries for a multi-move request?</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-11"><a href="#Notifying_talk_pages_that_are_named_in_multi-move_requests">3.2.1 Notifying talk pages that are named in multi-move requests</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-12"><a href="#Removing_notice_of_open_discussion">3.3 Removing notice of open discussion</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#Bot-created_searchable_archives">3.4 Bot-created searchable archives</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Requests_for_comment_on_requested_moves">4 Requests for comment on requested moves</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Broke_formatting">5 Broke formatting</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Disambiguation_pages">6 Disambiguation pages</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Feature_request">7 Feature request</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Bot_wars">8 Bot wars</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-19"><a href="#Page_set_up_to_archive_threads_after_5_days_(120_hours)_with_no_new_comments_causes_an_RM_to_be_archived_before_it_was_closed">8.1 Page set up to archive threads after 5 days (120 hours) with no new comments causes an RM to be archived before it was closed</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#RMCD_bot:_edit_conflict">9 RMCD bot: edit conflict</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-21"><a href="#An_edit_conflict_that_invoked_%22Error_2%22">9.1 An edit conflict that invoked "Error 2"</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Strange_placement_of_notice">10 Strange placement of notice</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Twisted_RM">11 Twisted RM</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Bot_not_detecting_some_transclusions_of_%7B%7BReflist-talk%7D%7D">12 Bot not detecting some transclusions of {{Reflist-talk}}</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Misplaced_move_notification">13 Misplaced move notification</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-26"><a href="#Modlin">13.1 Modlin</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-27"><a href="#New_Corella">13.2 New Corella</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-28"><a href="#8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3">13.3 8′46″</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-29"><a href="#John_Brown_(abolitionist)">13.4 John Brown (abolitionist)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-30"><a href="#Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales">13.5 Leader of the Opposition in Wales</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Why_did_the_bot_do_this?">14 Why did the bot do this?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Indication_of_move_protection_settings">15 Indication of move protection settings</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Requesting_edits_to_protected_pages">16 Requesting edits to protected pages</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Humans_editing_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions">17 Humans editing Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#Hello">17.1 Hello</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Description_issue">18 Description issue</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Bot_edit_warring_with_itself_at_Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Austria">19 Bot edit warring with itself at Talk:List of political parties in Austria</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#False_removal_of_notice">20 False removal of notice</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Bot_posting_multimove_requests_on_Current_Discussions_with_order_reversed">21 Bot posting multimove requests on Current Discussions with order reversed</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Bot_stuck/not_running_for_requested_moves?">22 Bot stuck/not running for requested moves?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Incorrect_Action_to_Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)">23 Incorrect Action to Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Exclude_/sandbox">24 Exclude /sandbox</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama">25 Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama</a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><h2 id="Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2013-01-11T21:42:00.000Z">Problems caused by syntax redundancy, when an RM is modified while open</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Problems caused by syntax redundancy, when an RM is modified while open" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-151' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-20T14:17:00.000Z-Korny_O'Near-2021-10-11T01:42:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>17 comments7 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236090951"><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Requested_move/Archive_2#Move_links" title="Template talk:Requested move/Archive 2">Template talk:Requested move/Archive 2 § Move links</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_16#Template:Requested_move/end" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 June 16">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 June 16 § Template:Requested move/end</a></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="A_relevant_January_2013_discussion_on_my_talk" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_relevant_January_2013_discussion_on_my_talk-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2013-01-11T21:42:00.000Z">A relevant January 2013 discussion on my talk</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A relevant January 2013 discussion on my talk" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> <div style="display:inline-block;border-style: solid;padding: 3px;border-color: black;border-width: 2px;background-color: white;color: black;margin: 3px;"> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Are you familiar with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move_old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move old">Requested move old</a>}} (originally named {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Movereq_old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Movereq old">Movereq old</a>}})? As far as I can tell, it wasn't documented anywhere, until I just added it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Moving#After_(potentially)_controversial_move_requests_are_closed" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/Moving">WP:Template messages/Moving#After (potentially) controversial move requests are closed</a>. Although it's been around since 24 December 2010‎, when Rich Farmbrough created it (what I've seen of his work is of highest technical quality), I haven't found any talk page discussion of it anywhere. But some editors have used it—it's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=57&hideredirs=1&hidelinks=1&target=Template%3ARequested+move+old&namespace=1">transcluded on some 59 talk pages</a> (the last two are my doing). Just amazed that I haven't noticed this template until today. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-01-11T21:42:00.000Z-A_relevant_January_2013_discussion_on_my_talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>How Rich announced his new template: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions&diff=prev&oldid=404097295">diff</a> – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) 21:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ...it stayed in the instructions until <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions&diff=prev&oldid=481445051">this edit</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-01-11T21:53:00.000Z-A_relevant_January_2013_discussion_on_my_talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>personally I don't see the point of Richard's template. I would suggest that automating the merge procedure would be a much better bang for the buck than further perfecting the automated RM procedure, particularly as the algorithms for mulit-move requests and proposed merges are similar and proposed merges are such a mess -- some of them have been around for may years. -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-PBS-2013-01-13T00:11:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2013-01-11T21:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>His template could be used to eliminate some redundancy and in my opinion is more elegant than harej's solution for archiving closed RMs. Eventually I would like any similar solutions for merges to be implemented consistently with the RM solutions. But, yes, further teaking here need not hold up some temporary solutions for merges, since that's such a mess... <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-01-14T15:52:00.000Z-PBS-2013-01-13T00:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I am missing knowledge of what harej's solution is, and why it is thought necessary. Surly to close a RM one just uses {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Poll_top" title="Template:Poll top">poll top</a>}}. Why is anything else needed? -- <a href="/wiki/User:PBS" title="User:PBS">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PBS" title="User talk:PBS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-PBS-2013-01-15T18:02:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2013-01-14T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Actually you should use the more specific {{<a href="/wiki/Template:RM_top" title="Template:RM top">subst:RM top</a>}}. The old and new page names are included as parameters in {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}}. Closing instructions call for removal of {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}}. It needs to be removed so the bot doesn't pick it up, as the bot looks for transclusions of that template. So, to keep a record of the old and new page names in the archived section on the talk page, harej created {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">subst:Requested move</a>}}, which creates the {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}} template, and redundantly writes a list of old and new pages outside of the /dated template, so the list will still be there after /dated is removed. Now, if instead of removing it, we simply change its name to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move_old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move old">requested move old</a>}}—or {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move/old">requested move/old</a>}}—voila, now we don't need to write the redundant list outside the template. The redundancy can cause issues, when an editor corrects their typo or changes their mind about what the new name should be, they need to make the change in two places. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-01-15T21:52:00.000Z-PBS-2013-01-15T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Issue_with_bot's_function?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issue_with_bot's_function?-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2013-02-17T07:22:00.000Z">Issue with bot's function?</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Issue with bot's function?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> I was looking at some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFD">RfDs</a> today, and found these two strange diffs on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Cherkasy_Raion" title="Talk:Cherkasy Raion">Talk:Cherkasy Raion</a>: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACherkasy_Raion&diff=538519956&oldid=538519851">[1]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACherkasy_Raion&diff=538521062&oldid=538520568">[2]</a> I'm not sure what's going on there, but those two diffs are telling the editor/user to go to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Cherkasy_Raion" title="Talk:Cherkasy Raion">Talk:Cherkasy Raion</a> from <a href="/wiki/Talk:Cherkasy_Raion" title="Talk:Cherkasy Raion">Talk:Cherkasy Raion</a>, the same talk page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Steel1943-2013-02-17T07:22:00.000Z-Issue_with_bot's_function?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 17 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <ul><li>There's a third diff now, taking the exact same action as the previous two diffs:</li></ul> <dl><dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACherkasy_Raion&diff=538682050&oldid=538681526">[3]</a></dd> <dd>...What's going on with this bot? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Steel1943-2013-02-17T09:52:00.000Z-Steel1943-2013-02-17T07:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>It looks like the bot was confused after <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACherkasy_Raion&diff=538519193&oldid=538519123">this edit</a>. There is a second, redundant place where corrections of this sort need to be made, and I covered it <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACherkasy_Raion&diff=538759744&oldid=538735636">here</a>. I'm aware of this issue and eventually may simplify the templates to remove this redundancy. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-02-17T23:32:00.000Z-Steel1943-2013-02-17T09:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017_malformed?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017_malformed?-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2017-12-30T21:15:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Line 1, Beijing Subway">Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017</a> malformed?</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017 malformed?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a>, I haven't been able to figure out why the move request at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Line 1, Beijing Subway">Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017</a> is listed by the bot as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Malformed_requests" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">malformed</a>. It seems to have been set up correctly.--<a href="/wiki/User:Aervanath" title="User:Aervanath">Aervanath</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aervanath" title="User talk:Aervanath">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Aervanath-2017-12-30T21:15:00.000Z-Talk:Line_1,_Beijing_Subway#Requested_move_29_December_2017_malformed?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/817836239" title="Special:Diff/817836239">fixed it</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2017-12-30T21:36:00.000Z-Aervanath-2017-12-30T21:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Anthony_Davis_pagemove" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anthony_Davis_pagemove-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2018-09-14T03:55:00.000Z">Anthony Davis pagemove</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Anthony Davis pagemove" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> I failed to include the secondary page move in the template.--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WAWARD">WP:WAWARD</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-TonyTheTiger-2018-09-14T03:55:00.000Z-Anthony_Davis_pagemove" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/859501219" title="Special:Diff/859501219">Fixed</a>. This is another case of <a href="#Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open">problems with modifying open RMs</a>. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wbm1058" title="Special:Contributions/Wbm1058">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-14T14:33:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2018-09-14T03:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Bad_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bad_edit-Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open-2021-10-11T00:55:00.000Z">Bad edit</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Bad edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cinderella_(2021_musical_film)&type=revision&diff=1049288517&oldid=1049286891&diffmode=source">This</a> seems to be a bad edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Korny_O%27Near" title="User:Korny O'Near">Korny O'Near</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Korny_O%27Near" title="User talk:Korny O'Near">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Korny_O'Near-2021-10-11T00:55:00.000Z-Bad_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>) @<a href="/wiki/User:Korny_O%27Near" title="User:Korny O'Near">Korny O'Near</a>: Hopefully, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1049292099" title="Special:Diff/1049292099">this "new1" parameter-fixing edit</a> will fix the problem. <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-GeoffreyT2000-2021-10-11T01:06:00.000Z-Korny_O'Near-2021-10-11T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Never mind, I didn't notice that parameter. I guess it wasn't the bot's fault after all. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Korny_O%27Near" title="User:Korny O'Near">Korny O'Near</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Korny_O%27Near" title="User talk:Korny O'Near">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Korny_O'Near-2021-10-11T01:42:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2021-10-11T01:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This is another example of <a href="#Problems_caused_by_syntax_redundancy,_when_an_RM_is_modified_while_open">#Problems caused by syntax redundancy, when an RM is modified while open</a>, caused by <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1048039693" title="Special:Diff/1048039693">this 22:53, 3 October 2021 edit</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Tbhotch" title="User:Tbhotch">Tbhotch</a>. That edit needed to change "Disney" to "American" in two places. Now the "problems" have expanded to include the subject notices (which I added as a later enhancement). – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-20T14:17:00.000Z-Korny_O'Near-2021-10-11T01:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><h2 id="Bot_is_deleting_wikiproject_banners" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_is_deleting_wikiproject_banners-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z">Bot is deleting wikiproject banners</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Bot is deleting wikiproject banners" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-152' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2014-12-20T18:07:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2014-12-13T20:43:00.000Z">9 years ago</a>9 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:HD_73155&diff=543727922&oldid=542310515">[4]</a> where the bot deleted a wikiproject banner with the summary "Notifying of move discussion" -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137" title="Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137">65.92.180.137</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.92.180.137" title="User talk:65.92.180.137">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-65.92.180.137-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z-Bot_is_deleting_wikiproject_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This is interesting. The bot did just fine when it <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHD_73155&diff=542310515&oldid=344072992">first posted the notice at 03:00, 6 March 2013.</a></dd> <dd>Seven days later, after leaving the notice undisturbed for a week, at 00:14, 13 March 2013 it <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:HD_73155&diff=next&oldid=542310515">removed the project template and updated its timestamp.</a></dd> <dd>That's not the only talk page banner it disturbed with that update. Also: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Malling,_Moselle" title="Talk:Malling, Moselle">Talk:Malling, Moselle</a> – <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Malling,_Moselle&diff=prev&oldid=543727985">at 00:15, 13 March 2013</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Monastyrysche_Raion" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Monastyrysche Raion">Talk:Monastyrysche Raion</a> – <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Monastyrysche_Raion&diff=prev&oldid=543728036">at 00:16, 13 March 2013</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>This seems to be some one-off glitch—I've not seen this bug before. It may be a side-effect of some other issue, and could be hard to track down. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-03-19T13:43:00.000Z-65.92.180.137-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Whatever the bug is, it is causing a wholesale overwrite of the entire talk page, from what I can see, it deletes the entire talk page, and replaces it with the new notice. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137" title="Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137">65.92.180.137</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.92.180.137" title="User talk:65.92.180.137">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-65.92.180.137-2013-03-20T06:18:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2013-03-19T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Excellent observation! It could be something more like <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_1#Bot_blanks_its_pages" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 1">this</a> type of problem. I'll put it on my list to check the code to see if any edit checks can be made to prevent it. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-03-20T15:14:00.000Z-65.92.180.137-2013-03-20T06:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 20 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a> update <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions&diff=prev&oldid=543728104">of 00:16, 13 March 2013</a> doesn't really give any clues, unless it's related to the "Time could not be ascertained" bug. I should fix that one. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2013-03-19T14:00:00.000Z-65.92.180.137-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/File:Lightbulb.png" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Lightbulb.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="16" data-file-height="16"></noscript> </a> I think I finally realize the cause of this (an API function's failure to retrieve the page content when asked), and will get right to implementing the solution, which is to not update the page at all rather than break it. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2014-12-13T20:15:00.000Z-65.92.180.137-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd><strike><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> Fixed</strike>, hopefully. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2014-12-13T20:43:00.000Z-65.92.180.137-2013-03-18T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Not fixed yet. The bot needs to be able to tell the difference between a page that has no content because it doesn't exist (normal), and a page which appears to have no content (but probably really does) because the server was down or bits got lost on the Internet. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2014-12-15T14:44:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2014-12-13T20:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/zhaofengli/reflinks/blob/master/src/Reflinks/Wiki.php">how Reflinks deals with this</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2014-12-20T18:07:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2014-12-13T20:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><h2 id="Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z">Followup after moves and/or closes</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Followup after moves and/or closes" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-153' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2020-01-25T16:08:00.000Z-Bot-created_searchable_archives">4 years ago</a>14 comments9 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="bot_on_overdrive_on_a_closed_RM" data-mw-thread-id="h-bot_on_overdrive_on_a_closed_RM-Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes-2014-04-01T18:15:00.000Z">bot on overdrive on a closed RM</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: bot on overdrive on a closed RM" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mi%27kmaq_people&curid=42371465&diff=602298257&oldid=602297775">this was just added by RMCD bot</a> re an RM closed weeks ago.....how do you turn the damn thing off?<a href="/wiki/User:Skookum1" title="User:Skookum1">Skookum1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skookum1" title="User talk:Skookum1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Skookum1-2014-04-01T18:15:00.000Z-bot_on_overdrive_on_a_closed_RM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I think the move template – not the discussion, or the decision – should be removed when discussion is closed. The same thing happened with an RM I posted some weeks ago. Remind the closing editor. <a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-HandsomeFella-2014-04-01T18:42:00.000Z-Skookum1-2014-04-01T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAlpine_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_super-G&diff=600375203&oldid=600363267">this edit</a>. I then reverted the bot's additions of the discussion on the fresh redirect pages. <a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-HandsomeFella-2014-04-01T18:45:00.000Z-Skookum1-2014-04-01T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>OK, the issue at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Alpine_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_super-G" title="Talk:Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G">Talk:Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G</a> was that the RM closer neglected to either remove the {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}} template or replace it with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move/old">requested move/old</a>}}, which is intended to be a valid alternative. These are generally caught fairly promptly, as they populate <a href="/wiki/Category:Fulfilled_page_move_requests" title="Category:Fulfilled page move requests">Category:Fulfilled page move requests</a>. Actually, the oversight was fixed within an hour and a half, but the bot runs every 15 mins. Now, the deal with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mi%27kmaq_people&redirect=no">Talk:Mi'kmaq people</a> is that the bot was getting confused between the two requested moves at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Chipewyan_people" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Chipewyan people">Talk:Chipewyan people</a>. The first RM was closed with a {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move/old">requested move/old</a>}}, but an issue with the bot's coding resulted in this template being used in error for the second, still open RM. I did a {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/old" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Requested move/old">subst:requested move/old</a>}} which worked around the bot issue, and reverted the bot's bad edits. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2014-04-02T01:57:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2014-04-01T18:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Closure_of_talk_page_entries_for_a_multi-move_request?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Closure_of_talk_page_entries_for_a_multi-move_request?-Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z">Closure of talk page entries for a multi-move request?</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Closure of talk page entries for a multi-move request?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> When a multi-move request is approved, should a bot be closing the entries that were placed on all of the talk pages? Cf. <a href="/wiki/Omega1_Aquarii" title="Omega1 Aquarii">Omega1 Aquarii</a>. Just curious; it seems odd to leave inquiry messages dangling out there. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:RJHall" title="User:RJHall">RJH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RJHall" title="User talk:RJHall">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-RJHall-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z-Closure_of_talk_page_entries_for_a_multi-move_request?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Nah, I think most people who see them will look at the timestamp and realise the RM has probably been closed by now. <a href="/wiki/User:Jenks24" title="User:Jenks24">Jenks24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jenks24" title="User talk:Jenks24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Jenks24-2012-08-11T23:15:00.000Z-RJHall-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>If we can get the damn bot ever working again, I think it's not a bad idea that it leaves a terse note like: <dl><dd>Automated note: the discussion has been closed.--<a href="/wiki/User:RM_bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RM bot">User:RM bot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-RM_bot-2012-08-15T00:48:00.000Z-RJHall-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>This is what I did in the past before we ever had a bot, and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:City_of_Las_Vegas_%28train%29&diff=prev&oldid=505507849">do now that we're manually updating</a>. I don't think it's a pressing issue though.--<a href="/wiki/User:Fuhghettaboutit" title="User:Fuhghettaboutit">Fuhghettaboutit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fuhghettaboutit" title="User talk:Fuhghettaboutit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Fuhghettaboutit-2012-08-15T00:48:00.000Z-RJHall-2012-08-11T22:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>A note to optionally do this (leave a terse note) could be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions</a>, along with the notes to update or add {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Oldmoves" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Oldmoves">Oldmoves</a>}}, {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Old_RM_multi" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Old RM multi">Old RM multi</a>}} or {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Oldmove" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Oldmove">Oldmove</a>}}. There is no transcluded template or category flagging these messages, so once the RM is closed it would be hard for a bot to find them. The closing instructions are getting pretty complicated, so a possibility would be to see if a new program could be created to assist this closing process. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2012-09-27T16:30:00.000Z-Fuhghettaboutit-2012-08-15T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Notifying_talk_pages_that_are_named_in_multi-move_requests" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notifying_talk_pages_that_are_named_in_multi-move_requests-Closure_of_talk_page_entries_for_a_multi-move_request?-2014-11-15T19:45:00.000Z">Notifying talk pages that are named in multi-move requests</h4> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Notifying talk pages that are named in multi-move requests" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> It's nice that the bot can be used to notify talk pages that are named in multi-move requests. What is needed is a follow-up notification to those talk pages that reports on the result of the request. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.100.127.30" title="Special:Contributions/67.100.127.30">67.100.127.30</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.100.127.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:67.100.127.30 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-67.100.127.30-2014-11-15T19:45:00.000Z-Notifying_talk_pages_that_are_named_in_multi-move_requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Zain" title="Talk:Zain">Talk:Zain</a> for an example. I implemented a manual solution, but I agree that an automated solution along these lines would be helpful. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2015-06-12T20:55:00.000Z-67.100.127.30-2014-11-15T19:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Removing_notice_of_open_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_notice_of_open_discussion-Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes-2017-08-29T14:59:00.000Z">Removing notice of open discussion</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Removing notice of open discussion" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> The bot removed the requested move template on <a href="/wiki/Other_(philosophy)" title="Other (philosophy)">Other (philosophy)</a> and unlisted it from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions</a> despite the fact that <a href="/wiki/Talk:Other_(philosophy)#Requested_move_11_August_2017" title="Talk:Other (philosophy)">the discussion</a> does not appear to have been closed. <a href="/wiki/User:93" title="User:93">9</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:93" title="User talk:93">3</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-93-2017-08-29T14:59:00.000Z-Removing_notice_of_open_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>An editor, presumably unintentionally, removed the template, effectively "closing" the discussion as far as the bot was concerned. I've reverted that template removal, so the notice should be re-posted in a few minutes. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2017-08-29T17:41:00.000Z-93-2017-08-29T14:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 29 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Bot-created_searchable_archives" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot-created_searchable_archives-Followup_after_moves_and/or_closes-2020-01-25T16:08:00.000Z">Bot-created searchable archives</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Bot-created searchable archives" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> On my back burner is a possible enhancement (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_31#Bot-created_searchable_archives" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 31">WT:Requested moves#Bot-created searchable archives</a>). – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-01-25T16:08:00.000Z-Bot-created_searchable_archives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><h2 id="Requests_for_comment_on_requested_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requests_for_comment_on_requested_moves-2015-11-02T23:28:00.000Z">Requests for comment on requested moves</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Requests for comment on requested moves" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-154' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240208133700-Wbm1058-2015-11-02T23:48:00.000Z">9 months ago</a>4 comments1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_28#Use_requests_for_comment_for_supplemental_RM_notifications?" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 28">Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 28 § Use requests for comment for supplemental RM notifications?</a> Note to myself to document or develop a workaround. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2015-11-02T23:28:00.000Z-Requests_for_comment_on_requested_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/673174453" title="Special:Diff/673174453">My edit to add a sub-section header</a>. That doesn't work.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/673197869" title="Special:Diff/673197869">Another editor's fix</a>: put the RM template before the RfC template.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/673198071" title="Special:Diff/673198071">Bot's edit to fix the RfC subpage</a>.</li></ul> — <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2015-11-02T23:48:00.000Z-Requests_for_comment_on_requested_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Someone recently <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077766810" title="Special:Diff/1077766810">inserted an RfC into an open RM</a>. While <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1039565390" title="Special:Diff/1039565390">version 7.52</a> (19 August 2021) now allows insertion of a single line between the section heading and {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">Requested move/dated</a>}} (e.g. {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Notavote" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Notavote">notavote</a>}}), in this case there are two lines after Legobot adds a "User:DoNotArchiveUntil", and RMCD bot still flags multiple inserted lines as a malformed request. Figuring out how to make the regex that supports two or more inserted lines is harder than you might think, at least for this guy who doesn't use regex often enough to become super proficient with it. Since <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1077923995" title="Special:Diff/1077923995">the RfC was reverted</a> anyway, I'm just keeping this on my back burner as a low-priority item. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2022-03-21T21:39:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2015-11-02T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>The discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Archive_16#Specifying_that_RfCs_should_not_be_listed_on_AfDs" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Archive 16">Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment §Specifying that RfCs should not be listed on AfDs</a> led to <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/900389195" title="Special:Diff/900389195">this 5 June 2019 edit</a> to add <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#What_not_to_use_the_RfC_process_for" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment">Wikipedia:Requests for comment § What not to use the RfC process for</a>.</dd> <dd>However, the recent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Capitalization_of_NFL_draft_article_titles" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Capitalization of NFL draft article titles">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Capitalization of NFL draft article titles</a> discussion has set a precedent that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment">Wikipedia:Requests for comment</a> may be used separately and outside of RM, to settle particularly contentious page-moving disputes. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240208133700-Wbm1058-2015-11-02T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><h2 id="Broke_formatting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broke_formatting-2017-02-24T20:42:00.000Z">Broke formatting</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Broke formatting" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-155' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-05T14:47:00.000Z-Broke_formatting">3 years ago</a>8 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> The bot displays broken formatting when you try to include multiple suggested targets in one RM, as I tried to do <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/767252583" title="Special:PermanentLink/767252583">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Ppp</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Pppery-2017-02-24T20:42:00.000Z-Broke_formatting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>If you are uncertain about what the new page names should be, then you should use the "?" form of request, as demonstrated in the last example in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Moving/Requested" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/Moving/Requested">Wikipedia:Template messages/Moving/Requested</a>. The bot reads the template parameters and uses those only to generate the listings at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>. You can do whatever you want with the list of moves which is shown outside the template, as the bot doesn't care about or look at those. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T00:09:00.000Z-Pppery-2017-02-24T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>No, the {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}} transclusion on that page was properly formatted showing only one target, and the bot failed to properly skip over the list shown outside the request. As you can see <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/767254593" title="Special:PermanentLink/767254593">here</a>, the bot included by proposed alternate title as if it were part of the reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Ppp</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Pppery-2017-02-25T01:08:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T00:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>OK, the bot was trying to skip over all that and jump to the reason, but a couple of curve-balls tricked it. (1) the bot is looking for an en-dash as the separator indicating where the reason starts. Now, it knows enough to ignore false-positive en-dashes when they are included inside the standard-formatted request. Since your "or this–alternatives" were outside of the expected standard formatting, the first one found was interpreted as the beginning of the reason. Then you get a mangled reason because inside the reason are what appear to be more standard-formatted requests that the bot strips out of the reason. This is all tricky regex to implement and I don't know regex like the back of my hand. I'm not going to attempt to support this, because it is theoretically impossible to create an RM in this format. The idea behind using {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">subst:requested move</a>}} is to prevent unsupported syntax in requests, but of course I can't stop editors from hacking up perfectly well-formatted requests after their initial creation. Suggest you use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">subst:requested move</a>}} to create a "name to be determined via discussion" request, and then put your list of alternatives in a separate section below your brief rationale for the move request and your signature. Thus, the discussion of alternatives will only be seen on the talk page hosting the discussion and not get copied to the WP:RM page. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T02:41:00.000Z-Pppery-2017-02-25T01:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Which would take up a lot of unnecessary space, considering the request involves over 100 articles. Would it make sense for the bot to ignore en-dashes in links? <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Ppp</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Pppery-2017-02-25T02:45:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T02:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I'm not keen on huge proposals like this. Maybe you could start a more general discussion about the naming conventions on the talk page for the relevant naming conventions or WikiProject? If you can get a consensus on naming conventions, then perhaps these become technical requests. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T03:07:00.000Z-Pppery-2017-02-25T02:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Which is what eventually happened at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(US_stations)/NYC_Subway_RfC" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC">Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC</a>. These moves eventually happened after that discussion closed. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-05T12:23:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2017-02-25T03:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> December 2017–January 2018 changes: <ul><li>On 23 December 2017‎ <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/802483044/816809952" title="Special:Diff/802483044/816809952">Nardog changed Module:Requested move to "don't add the dash if multiple"</a>, without discussing the matter with me first</li> <li>At 14:20, 25 December 2017, rather than revert Nardog, I made <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/817023052" title="Special:Diff/817023052">bot version 6.55</a> accommodate the removal of the dash from multiple move requests in <a href="/wiki/Module:Requested_move" title="Module:Requested move">Module:Requested move</a> (thanks for calling me in to work on the holiday!)</li> <li>At 22:08, 19 January 2018 <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/821345485" title="Special:Diff/821345485">reverted Nardog's change</a>: "seems to break bot parsing for users who have a dash in their signature"</li></ul> My "accommodation" code for this change remains in place. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-05T14:47:00.000Z-Broke_formatting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><h2 id="Disambiguation_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_pages-2017-06-13T20:19:00.000Z">Disambiguation pages</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Disambiguation pages" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-156' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2019-08-26T21:08:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2019-08-24T04:37:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> When a disambiguation page without a talk page is requested to be moved on another talk page, the bot should automatically place {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Disambiguation" title="Template:WikiProject Disambiguation">WikiProject Disambiguation</a>}} on top of the "Move discussion in progress" notice while creating the talk page. I have manually added the template to <a href="/wiki/Talk:United_States_v._Lee_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:United States v. Lee (disambiguation)">Talk:United States v. Lee (disambiguation)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-GeoffreyT2000-2017-06-13T20:19:00.000Z-Disambiguation_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Done in v 6.81 – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-04-07T12:26:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2017-06-13T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 7 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>: I noticed something is still wrong with the patch. Namely, <a href="/wiki/Talk:CMY_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:CMY (disambiguation)">Talk:CMY (disambiguation)</a> was not actually created with the WikiProject on it. Please try to identify the error with the code that causes this, and fix it. Also, if page A is being requested to be moved to B, page B currently redirects to a disambiguation page C other than page A, and page C does not already have a talk page, then the bot should place {{<a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Disambiguation" title="Template:WikiProject Disambiguation">WikiProject Disambiguation</a>}} as well while creating the talk page for page C. This did not happen with <a href="/wiki/Talk:Tremont_Avenue_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:Tremont Avenue (disambiguation)">Talk:Tremont Avenue (disambiguation)</a>, for example. <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-GeoffreyT2000-2019-08-24T04:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Done in v 6.92 – it's always easier to make a fix while an RM is open, as that provides a use-case for testing. I verified the patch with <a href="/wiki/Talk:Tremont_Avenue_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:Tremont Avenue (disambiguation)">Talk:Tremont Avenue (disambiguation)</a>. However the <a href="/wiki/Talk:CMY_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:CMY (disambiguation)">Talk:CMY (disambiguation)</a> wasn't easy to reproduce. I found that with most move requests of this nature the bot doesn't post a notice (i.e. it doesn't create a new page) as there is no point in creating a notice for a page with no content. So I dug a little deeper to see what was happening here. This request was created by an editor who seemed unware of disambiguation policies and conventions, and who failed to follow the instructions for starting an RM via {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">subst:Requested move</a>}}. The bot didn't pick up the request until another editor <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/901492871" title="Special:Diff/901492871">added a section header for it</a>. At the time <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/901474872" title="Special:PermanentLink/901474872">the "content" that made the bot decide that a notice was needed</a> was a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_forking" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Content forking">fork</a> of <a href="/wiki/CMY" class="mw-disambig" title="CMY">CMY</a>, which was later <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/901514059" title="Special:Diff/901514059">changed</a> to the {{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_to_disambiguation_page" title="Template:R to disambiguation page">r to disambiguation page</a>}} that should have been there all along (and would not have had a talk page notice created for it). So, given the cause of the issue was user error, and the user error didn't break anything significantly, I'm not going to try to accommodate this now; very low-priority issue. If there's anything for the bot to do here, I think it should be able to recognize the existence of a disambiguation fork, and report that as an error, while refraining from creating the <a href="/wiki/Talk:CMY_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:CMY (disambiguation)">Talk:CMY (disambiguation)</a> page that the user error triggered. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-08-26T21:08:00.000Z-GeoffreyT2000-2019-08-24T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><h2 id="Feature_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feature_request-2017-06-18T10:34:00.000Z">Feature request</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Feature request" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-157' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Guanaco-2017-06-18T10:34:00.000Z-Feature_request">7 years ago</a>1 comment1 person in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> Currently at the top of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions_(alt)" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions/Table" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions/Table">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions/Table</a>, there is a lead section with an <a href="/wiki/Template:Ombox" title="Template:Ombox">ombox</a> and some text. Could you move this content into templates and have the bot transclude these instead? That way we can edit the text and add special notices if needed. —<a href="/wiki/User:Guanaco" title="User:Guanaco">Guan</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guanaco" title="User talk:Guanaco">aco</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Guanaco-2017-06-18T10:34:00.000Z-Feature_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><h2 id="Bot_wars" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_wars-2018-03-13T05:13:00.000Z">Bot wars</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Bot wars" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-158' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2018-07-05T19:42:00.000Z-QEDK-2018-03-13T18:33:00.000Z">6 years ago</a>15 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Page_set_up_to_archive_threads_after_5_days_(120_hours)_with_no_new_comments_causes_an_RM_to_be_archived_before_it_was_closed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_set_up_to_archive_threads_after_5_days_(120_hours)_with_no_new_comments_cau-Bot_wars-2018-03-13T05:13:00.000Z">Page set up to archive threads after 5 days (120 hours) with no new comments causes an RM to be archived before it was closed</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Page set up to archive threads after 5 days (120 hours) with no new comments causes an RM to be archived before it was closed" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> I hope I'm in the right place... the headers of this page are confusing to me. Anyway, as you obviously found this, have a look at <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Medal_of_Honor_(series)&action=history">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Medal_of_Honor_(series)&action=history</a> for an unfortunate interaction between bots which <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a> seems to have sorted out. One result was that for a while, the discuss link at WP:RME pointed to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Medal_of_Honor_(series)/Archives/2018/March&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Medal of Honor (series)/Archives/2018/March (page does not exist)">Talk:Medal of Honor (series)/Archives/2018/March</a> <s>rather than to the discussion</s>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T05:13:00.000Z-Page_set_up_to_archive_threads_after_5_days_(120_hours)_with_no_new_comments_cau" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>To be clear, the discussion was there (and open) in the archive, although it was showing up as a malformed request on the RMC page. When I reverted the bot, I also deleted the empty archive as G6, routine cleanup. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T05:29:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T05:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Thanks, I stand corrected. I just followed the link to an archive page, knew it was wrong, and looked for why, but by the time I found out very much more you'd fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T05:51:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Now I've seen everything. I suppose my bot should patrol for stupid archiving configurations. This page was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/830166569/830195516" title="Special:Diff/830166569/830195516">set up to archive</a> threads after 5 days (120 hours) with no new comments. Yeah, that's a problem when requested moves are scheduled to run for seven days and nobody comments on the RM after the second day that it was open! <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2018-03-13T10:57:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Thanks. Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so ingenious! I certainly wouldn't modify the bot on one occurrence. If it became a regular thing, it may be better to modify the archive bot... say, have a template adding a banner and category to the talk page, to indicate that the page is temporarily not to be archived, which might stop some stupid manual archiving too (I said might... hmmm, but that needs a mod to your bot too, to add and remove the template). But even if I'd figured out what the problem was, it was something I think you needed to see. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T16:44:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-03-13T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Changed it to two weeks, 1 year is overkill for any kind of archiving. --<a href="/wiki/User:QEDK" title="User:QEDK">QEDK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QEDK" title="User talk:QEDK">後</a> 🌸 <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QEDK" title="Special:Contributions/QEDK">桜</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-QEDK-2018-03-13T16:45:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>OK, and if the RM is relisted then the two weeks automatically restarts for that section, because relisting is itself an edit even if there's no other activity... that sounds logical to me, interested in other views. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:38:00.000Z-QEDK-2018-03-13T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>There will be no talk page threads most of the time with that setting. Two weeks is an extremely short period for all but the most active articles; I'm not sure why there would be a preference for the talk page to be empty. Actually, given that there is so little action on the page, manual archiving is probably a better option. Also, the RMCD bot isn't updating the moves page now, I think. Is it down or being reworked? <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T17:41:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>I have collated the 4 existing archives into one archive that's still only 15K and turned off the auto-archiving. There's no need for archives that look like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Medal_of_Honor_(video_game_series)/Archives/2015/August&oldid=678373914">this</a>, because they don't help us search for relevant previous discussions. On a normal talk page, it would be just fine to have all the talk topics since the creation of the article over ten years ago still on the main talk page, but I haven't taken the step of dearchiving everything. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T17:48:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Good points all. But this is on archiving rather than on the RM bot. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:QEDK" title="User:QEDK">QEDK</a>, I'd be very interested in continuing this discussion, but I think we should find a better place for it, and leave the bot and its owner in (exonerated) peace. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:57:00.000Z-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I agree. However, the real reason I came by again was to get confirmation that Wbm knows the bot is down, and he does, so I feel reassured as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Dekimasu" title="User:Dekimasu">Dekimasu</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dekimasu" title="User talk:Dekimasu">よ!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Dekimasu-2018-03-13T18:07:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Or, maybe have a flag on a section that says not to be archived and is respected by archive bots? And add that flag to every properly raised RM (needs a mod to one template)? And remove (or override with another flag, that sounds simpler but is a bit ugly) the no-archive-section flag when the bot sees it as closed (and maybe make it available for immediate archive... that could use the archive-section-anyway override flag and makes it a lot less ugly).</dd> <dd>No action on one occurrence, as I said above. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-03-13T17:53:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-03-13T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> I agree with Dekimasu re archiving. I'm trying to update to a newer version of PHP, and running into problems. I'm about to give up and revert to the version that works. Then I can futz with trying to upgrade on my other system. I wasn't expecting updating to be so difficult. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2018-03-13T17:54:00.000Z-Page_set_up_to_archive_threads_after_5_days_(120_hours)_with_no_new_comments_cau" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <ul><li>Added a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=830255817&oldid=809729188&title=Wikipedia%3ARequested_moves%2FControversial&type=revision">bit of code</a> to the placeholder on the page, not sure if I can do anything else. --<a href="/wiki/User:QEDK" title="User:QEDK">QEDK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QEDK" title="User talk:QEDK">後</a> 🌸 <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QEDK" title="Special:Contributions/QEDK">桜</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-QEDK-2018-03-13T18:33:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-03-13T17:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Better option may be a bot to patrol all talk pages transcluding <a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III/ArchiveThis" title="User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis">User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis</a> and check their archiving configurations, and report all pages with overly aggressive archiving setups, including setups changed by _cough_ *vandals*. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2018-07-05T19:42:00.000Z-QEDK-2018-03-13T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><h2 id="RMCD_bot:_edit_conflict" data-mw-thread-id="h-RMCD_bot:_edit_conflict-2018-09-25T19:39:00.000Z">RMCD bot: edit conflict</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: RMCD bot: edit conflict" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-159' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2019-09-02T21:20:00.000Z-An_edit_conflict_that_invoked_"Error_2"">5 years ago</a>4 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> I'm not sure what <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_papal_primacy&diff=861196471&oldid=861196467">this edit</a> is about... did the bot get confused somehow (or am I)? I've already closed the RM as move, I hope that was OK! <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-09-25T19:39:00.000Z-RMCD_bot:_edit_conflict" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This rhymes with similar "edit-conflict" issues I previously fixed; see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_1#RMCD_bot_alert" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 1">User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 1#RMCD bot alert</a>. Unfortunately the bot's console log overwrites itself each time the bot runs, so the internal diagnostic report is lost already. I'll probably need to intentionally reproduce this scenario to follow the processing and confirm a fix, though I may be able to figure it out with a code-walkthrough. Thanks for the report. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T22:43:00.000Z-Andrewa-2018-09-25T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>All good. It's a brilliant system overall. "Unfortunately, Andy, the closer we get to true artificial intelligence, the closer we also get to artificial stupidity." - My favourite AI expert who may not want to be named. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Andrewa-2018-09-26T06:36:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T22:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id='An_edit_conflict_that_invoked_"Error_2"' data-mw-thread-id='h-An_edit_conflict_that_invoked_"Error_2"-RMCD_bot:_edit_conflict-2019-09-02T21:20:00.000Z'>An edit conflict that invoked "Error 2"</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=21" title='Edit section: An edit conflict that invoked "Error 2"' class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> See <a href="/wiki/Talk:Darksiders#Move_discussion_in_progress" title="Talk:Darksiders">Talk:Darksiders#Move discussion in progress</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-09-02T21:20:00.000Z-An_edit_conflict_that_invoked_%22Error_2%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><h2 id="Strange_placement_of_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Strange_placement_of_notice-2019-06-17T12:03:00.000Z">Strange placement of notice</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Strange placement of notice" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-160' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2019-06-20T14:52:00.000Z-Danski454-2019-06-17T12:03:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> I've just closed a requested move at <a href="/wiki/List_of_skin_conditions" title="List of skin conditions">List of skin conditions</a>, but I noticed that RMCD bot seems to have <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/900996286" title="Special:Diff/900996286">placed the RM notice in a strange place</a>, it is in ref 43. I was wondering if there is any reason you can see for this bug. <a href="/wiki/User:Danski454" title="User:Danski454">Danski454</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danski454" title="User talk:Danski454">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Danski454-2019-06-17T12:03:00.000Z-Strange_placement_of_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Danski454" title="User:Danski454">Danski454</a>, thanks for reporting this. Ideally I would have been notified about this sooner, while the RM was still open. The bot endeavors to comply with <a href="/wiki/MOS:ORDER" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ORDER">MOS:ORDER</a>, so I suspect it got confused by this template:</dd> <dd><code>{{cite journal |author=Ushiki T |title=Collagen fibers, reticular fibers and elastic fibers. A comprehensive understanding from a morphological viewpoint |journal=Arch Histol Cytol |volume=65 |issue=2 |pages=109–26 |year=2002 |pmid=12164335 |doi=10.1679/aohc.65.109 |url=<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.healthyki.com/2019/01/amazing-facts-about-acne-all-will-shock.html">https://www.healthyki.com/2019/01/amazing-facts-about-acne-all-will-shock.html</a> }} |date=December 2017 |bot=InternetArchiveBot |fix-attempted=yes }}</code></dd> <dd>thinking that template belonged with the hatnotes placed "before the lead section" and thus the notice was placed after that template. It's not immediately apparent to me why. This involves regex (regular expressions) which aren't easy to code to perfection at times. As this seems to be a one-off that I've never seen before, I'm giving it a mid-priority, meaning that the next time something like this happens while an RM is open, I expect I would likely bump up the priority then and try to fix it before the RM closed. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-06-17T15:16:00.000Z-Danski454-2019-06-17T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>On second look at this a drive-by IP partially removed a template, leaving bad syntax that my bot wasn't smart enough to detect – <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/902678744" title="Special:Diff/902678744">This edit</a> fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-06-20T14:52:00.000Z-Danski454-2019-06-17T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><h2 id="Twisted_RM" data-mw-thread-id="h-Twisted_RM-2019-07-03T22:57:00.000Z">Twisted RM</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Twisted RM" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-161' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2019-10-09T21:46:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2019-07-04T00:06:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> Please take a look at the RM at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_medical_condition_(new)#Requested_move_3_July_2019" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Infobox medical condition (new)">Template talk:Infobox medical condition (new)#Requested move 3 July 2019</a>. Is it SOP for this type of malformed RM to not end up in that section at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>? Take a look at that RM's ridiculous entry at <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/904572087#July_3,_2019" title="Special:PermanentLink/904572087">Wikipedia:Requested moves#July 3, 2019</a>. "I am so confused!" — <a href="/wiki/Vinnie_Barbarino" class="mw-redirect" title="Vinnie Barbarino">Vinnie Barbarino</a> – <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth">Paine Ellsworth</a>, <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor">ed.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth">put'r there</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2019-07-03T22:57:00.000Z-Twisted_RM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> Please note at this point that the nom has withdrawn and moved the template back to its previous name. Still doesn't mean I'm not confused, tho. :>) In case you didn't see it, the entry on the WP:RM page was Template:Infobox medical condition (new) → Template:Infobox medical condition (new). Weird. <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth">Paine Ellsworth</a>, <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor">ed.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth">put'r there</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2019-07-04T00:06:00.000Z-Twisted_RM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 4 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>So you <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/902324427" title="Special:Diff/902324427">closed the RM</a> as moved page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_medical_condition_(new)&redirect=no">Template:Infobox medical condition (new)</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_medical_condition" title="Template:Infobox medical condition">Template:Infobox medical condition</a>. Then <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/902324427/904571239" title="Special:Diff/902324427/904571239">the move was boldly reversed</a>, rather than asking you to reopen it. So what we had was <code>{{requested move/dated|Template:Infobox medical condition (new)}}</code> sitting on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_medical_condition_(new)&redirect=no">Template talk:Infobox medical condition (new)</a>. The system doesn't assume that this is a malformed request, but rather a fulfilled move request. {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}} displayed The request to rename this article to <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_medical_condition_(new)" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Infobox medical condition (new)">Template:Infobox medical condition (new)</a> has been carried out. and populated <a href="/wiki/Category:Fulfilled_page_move_requests" title="Category:Fulfilled page move requests">Category:Fulfilled page move requests</a>. So it was in a state that should have been fairly promptly patrolled.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Nonetheless I see that <a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">Template:Requested move</a> seems to be missing an edit check to flag requests to move a page to its current location as an {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Error" title="Template:Error">error</a>}}, and I suppose the bot should also check for edits to previously-submitted RMs to do that. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058#top" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-10-09T21:46:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2019-07-04T00:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><h2 id="Bot_not_detecting_some_transclusions_of_{{Reflist-talk}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_not_detecting_some_transclusions_of_{{Reflist-talk}}-2019-08-09T21:35:00.000Z">Bot not detecting some transclusions of {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Reflist-talk" title="Template:Reflist-talk">Reflist-talk</a>}}</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Bot not detecting some transclusions of {{Reflist-talk}}" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-162' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2019-08-10T18:32:00.000Z-Danski454-2019-08-09T21:35:00.000Z">5 years ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> RMCD bot isn't putting some redirects to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Reflist-talk" title="Template:Reflist-talk">Reflist-talk</a>}} on a new line, causing rendering issues as seen in two entries of the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/910129447#Backlog" title="Special:PermanentLink/910129447">current backlog</a>. In case it's useful, there is a full list of all redirects to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Reflist-talk" title="Template:Reflist-talk">Reflist-talk</a>}} below. <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="background-color: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #c8ccd1); margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th style="background-color: var(--background-color-interactive, #eaecf0); font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align: left;"><div style="display: inline; font-size: 115%; color: var(--color-base, #202122);">Extended content</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px var(--border-color-subtle, #c8ccd1); padding: 8px; background-color: var(--background-color-base, #fff); color: var(--color-base, #202122);"> <div><pre>{{Reflist-talk}} {{Reflist talk}} {{Talk-reflist}} {{Reftalk}} {{Talk reflist}} {{Talk ref}} {{Ref talk}} {{Reference talk}} {{Talk reference}} {{Talkref}} {{Tref}} {{TREF}} {{Talk page reference}} {{Ref-talk}} {{Reflisttalk}} {{Inlineref}} {{Reflist-quote}} {{Section references}} {{Talk page reflist}} {{REftalk}} {{Talk page-reflist}} {{Talk refs}} {{reflist-talk}} {{reflist talk}} {{talk-reflist}} {{reftalk}} {{talk reflist}} {{talk ref}} {{ref talk}} {{reference talk}} {{talk reference}} {{talkref}} {{tref}} {{tREF}} {{talk page reference}} {{ref-talk}} {{reflisttalk}} {{inlineref}} {{reflist-quote}} {{section references}} {{talk page reflist}} {{rEftalk}} {{talk page-reflist}} {{talk refs}} </pre></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <a href="/wiki/User:Danski454" title="User:Danski454">Danski454</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danski454" title="User talk:Danski454">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Danski454-2019-08-09T21:35:00.000Z-Bot_not_detecting_some_transclusions_of_%7B%7BReflist-talk%7D%7D" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 9 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> Fixed in version 6.87 – when I <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/643204594" title="Special:Diff/643204594">made the formatting fix to support this template in January 2015</a>, there was only one alias for this template, which the bot supported. But then, starting in May 2015, the floodgates started opening. Three different editors added a single new alias in May, June, and July 2015. Then an editor covered most of the bases by adding 8 aliases in September 2015. Two more editors added two new aliases in January and October 2016, bringing the total number of names for the template to 15. The bot is now up to date as-of October 2016 with support for these 15. Right, since then seven different editors have added seven more aliases (total 22), between November 2016–May 2019. These are of dubious value and are thinly used. Maybe I'll update support for these later. Redirects aren't that cheap, when they waste programmer time. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2019-08-10T18:32:00.000Z-Danski454-2019-08-09T21:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 10 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><h2 id="Misplaced_move_notification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-05-25T15:20:00.000Z">Misplaced move notification</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Misplaced move notification" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-163' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2020-07-04T01:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T01:58:00.000Z">4 years ago</a>14 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> For some strange reason, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:North_Macedonian_passport&diff=958748389&oldid=958747971">this notofocation</a> has been placed on <a href="/wiki/Talk:North_Macedonian_passport" title="Talk:North Macedonian passport">Talk:North Macedonian passport</a>. I do not know if it can just be removed, or if the bot will renew it. --<a href="/wiki/User:TU-nor" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TU-nor">T*U</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TU-nor" title="User talk:TU-nor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-TU-nor-2020-05-25T15:20:00.000Z-Misplaced_move_notification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>A notoble notofocation no doubt! <a href="/wiki/User:EEng#s" title="User:EEng">E</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EEng#s" title="User talk:EEng">Eng</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-EEng-2020-06-13T19:58:00.000Z-TU-nor-2020-05-25T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 13 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>That notice first went up after <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> closed the RM without removing the template. From the bot's perspective, the RM isn't closed until the template is removed. The bot kept posting the misplaced notice until <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/958757638" title="Special:Diff/958757638">the template was removed</a>. This could be an unintended side effect of my code refactoring in order to solve <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_2#Summary" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 2">this issue</a> (or not). In any event, it's now another item on my bug list. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-05-25T17:32:00.000Z-TU-nor-2020-05-25T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>OK, I think this is another instance of the issue reported at <a href="#bot_on_overdrive_on_a_closed_RM">#bot on overdrive on a closed RM</a>, a longstanding open issue. I think I can fix this by checking <a href="/wiki/Category:Fulfilled_page_move_requests" title="Category:Fulfilled page move requests">Category:Fulfilled page move requests</a> and upon finding the RM in that category, report it as a malformed request. Probably should have fixed this a lot sooner, but better late than never ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-05-25T17:58:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-05-25T17:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Modlin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Modlin-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-06-02T15:43:00.000Z">Modlin</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Modlin" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Problem also recently happened at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Modlin" title="Talk:Modlin">Talk:Modlin</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-02T15:43:00.000Z-Modlin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <ul><li>After the RM was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/957705535" title="Special:Diff/957705535">converted to a multi-move request at 04:28, 20 May 2020</a> the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/957705823" title="Special:Diff/957705823">posted a redundant notification at 04:31, 20 May 2020</a> on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Modlin" title="Talk:Modlin">Talk:Modlin</a> <ul><li>edit summary: Notifying of move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Modlin_(Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r_Mazowiecki)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)">Talk:Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <hr> <ul><li>At 13:46, 25 May 2020 <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modlin_(Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r_Mazowiecki)&redirect=no">Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/958742074" title="Special:Diff/958742074">moved</a> to <a href="/wiki/Modlin,_Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r_Mazowiecki_County" class="mw-redirect" title="Modlin, Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki County">Modlin, Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki County</a></li> <li>At 13:46, 25 May 2020 the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/958742041" title="Special:Diff/958742041">posted notice</a> of a discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:She%27s_So_High_(Tal_Bachman_song)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)">Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)</a></li> <li>At 13:48, 25 May 2020, reported as a <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/958742438#Malformed_requests" title="Special:Diff/958742438">malformed request</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Modlin_(Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r_Mazowiecki)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)">Talk:Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:She%27s_So_High_(Tal_Bachman_song)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)">Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)</a> – Conflicting discussion found! <a href="/wiki/Modlin_(Nowy_Dw%C3%B3r_Mazowiecki)" class="mw-redirect" title="Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)">Modlin (Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:She%27s_So_High_(Tal_Bachman_song)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)">Talk:She's So High (Tal Bachman song)</a> – Conflicting discussion found! <a href="/wiki/Modlin" class="mw-disambig" title="Modlin">Modlin</a></li></ul></li> <li>At 13:58, 25 May 2020 <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/958743777" title="Special:Diff/958743777">a multi-move was belatedly closed</a></li></ul> There are two or three issues here. The first, which happened on 20 May, is the same issue as reported at <a href="#John_Brown_(abolitionist)">#John Brown (abolitionist)</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-16T19:11:00.000Z-Modlin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="New_Corella" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Corella-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-06-13T14:39:00.000Z">New Corella</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: New Corella" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> This problem has been popping up frequently recently. I'm not sure why but likely a side effect of more recent code refactoring. Adding a <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_2#Summary" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 2">second pass to catch redundant requests</a> made on different pages has lengthened the delay from when the transcluded requests are captured to the time they are processed. Also, as I mentioned <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_32#Redlinked_target_pages" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 32">here</a>, very large multimove requests such as <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Abkhazia#Requested_move_5_June_2020" title="Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia">this one</a> can cause significant delays. Longer delays means larger windows for edit conflicts to happen. Edit conflicts have always happened but this previously infrequent problem has now become a common occurrance. I've caught one in action and am posting my findings here for the record as I walk through the processing sequence. <ul><li>Bot processing begins at 2020-06-13 02:00:17</li> <li>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">Requested move/dated</a>}} is found on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> at about 02:00</li> <li>Bot retrieves <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> contents at about 02:00 or 02:01 (on its first pass through the requests)</li> <li>At 02:02, a page-mover moved page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> to <a href="/wiki/New_Corella" title="New Corella">New Corella</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:New_Corella" title="Talk:New Corella">Talk:New Corella</a></li> <li>At 02:02 or 02:03, the bot reads <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/962267160" title="Special:PermanentLink/962267160">this version</a> of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> and should find that it is a self-redirect as the result of a page-mover's page swap but doesn't check for that – <dl><dd>it just notes that it's a redirect that does not redirect to the requested name (<a href="/wiki/New_Corella" title="New Corella">New Corella</a>)</dd></dl></li> <li>At 02:03, the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962267257" title="Special:Diff/962267257">notified</a> <a href="/wiki/Talk:New_Corella" title="Talk:New Corella">Talk:New Corella</a> of the move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> based on where the pages were before 02:02 (on its second pass through the requests) <ul><li>edit summary: Notifying talk page of move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a></li></ul></li> <li>At 02:03, the page-mover <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962267324" title="Special:Diff/962267324">retargets</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte&redirect=no">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> to <a href="/wiki/New_Corella" title="New Corella">New Corella</a></li> <li>At 02:07, the bot reports this as a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/962267749#Malformed_requests" title="Special:PermanentLink/962267749">malformed request</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte">Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> – <a href="/wiki/New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte" class="mw-redirect" title="New Corella, Davao del Norte">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/New_Corella,_Davao_del_Norte" class="mw-redirect" title="New Corella, Davao del Norte">New Corella, Davao del Norte</a></li> <li>But the RM is still otherwise <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/962267749#Elapsed_listings" title="Special:PermanentLink/962267749">listed normally</a>, as if it hasn't been moved or closed yet (its status during the first pass)</li> <li>Except that in <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962267749" title="Special:Diff/962267749">this diff</a> <code>{{no redirect|New Corella}}</code> changed to <code>[[New Corella]]</code> <dl><dd>Right, that's just because of <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/961809995" title="Special:Diff/961809995">this recent code change</a> to stop exceeding the expensive parser function limit. Since after the page-mover swap it's not a redirect anymore so <code>{{no redirect|New Corella}}</code>, an expensive function, isn't needed</dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> The second-pass console report: <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>__________ 82 Processing Talk:New Corella, Davao del Norte (:New Corella, Davao del Norte) contents... Description: No other place, person or event that carry the same name. Refer to [[Talk:Talaingod, Davao del Norte|Talaingod]], [[Talk:Cagdianao|Cagdianao]] and [[Talk:Capas|Capas]] for similar discussion. --[[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 01:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC) Timestamp: 1591406220 - 01:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC); Original timestamp: 1591406220 - 01:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC) Delay passed?: true Section> Requested move 6 June 2020 Current name: 0: :New Corella, Davao del Norte GET: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=%3ANew+Corella%2C+Davao+del+Norte&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.11700701713562 s) (432 b) *** PAGE :New Corella, Davao del Norte IS A REDIRECT!! *** #REDIRECT [[New Corella, Davao del Norte]] Target: New Corella, Davao del Norte GET: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=Talk%3ANew+Corella&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.091005086898804 s) (2126 b) New name: 0: New Corella (Talk:New Corella has non-redirecting content) GET: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=New+Corella&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.092005014419556 s) (11258 b) Target-page New Corella has non-redirecting content New Corella is not requested for move *** Post crosspost notice to Talk:New Corella *** GET: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=tokens&format=json (0.083004951477051 s) (99 b) POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=edit&format=json (1.0500600337982 s) (180 b) __________ </pre></div> <noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="150" data-file-height="150"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/30px-Icon_tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/40px-Icon_tools.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Working – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-13T14:39:00.000Z-New_Corella" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>v 7.36 went live yesterday; that should fix this but I didn't test it. Watch for a live-test which should add a line to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a> for the malformed request: "[pagename] self-redirects. May be in process of moving or closing." While monitoring for a confirming use case, I just found two different scenarios which I added as separate sections below. Oh my. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T16:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-06-13T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="8′46″" data-mw-thread-id="h-8′46″-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-06-14T01:58:00.000Z">8′46″</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: 8′46″" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> This represents a different variant of the issue. In this case the talk page was temporarily out of sync with the article. Unfortunately I didn't capture the console report before it was overwritten. <ul><li>At 15:42, a closed RM was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962358087" title="Special:Diff/962358087">reopened</a> after having been moved from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3&redirect=no">8′46″</a> to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8_minutes_and_46_seconds&redirect=no">8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> (via another page, an unnecessary detail)</li> <li>At 15:44, <a href="/wiki/User:Fuzheado" title="User:Fuzheado">Fuzheado</a> moved page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8_minutes_and_46_seconds&redirect=no">8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3&redirect=no">8′46″</a>: improper SNOW CLOSE, no consensus, and early close - undoing move until proper procedure followed</li> <li>At 15:45, bot processing begins</li> <li>At 15:53, the bot reports this as a <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962359694#Malformed_requests" title="Special:Diff/962359694">malformed request</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:8_minutes_and_46_seconds" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds">Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> – <a href="/wiki/8_minutes_and_46_seconds" class="mw-redirect" title="8 minutes and 46 seconds">8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3" class="mw-redirect" title="8′46″">8′46″</a></li></ul></li> <li>At 16:00, bot processing begins</li> <li>At 16:03, <a href="/wiki/User:Fuzheado" title="User:Fuzheado">Fuzheado</a> moved page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:8_minutes_and_46_seconds&redirect=no">Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3&redirect=no">Talk:8′46″</a> (undoing improper move)</li> <li>At 16:08, the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962362117" title="Special:Diff/962362117">notified</a> <a href="/wiki/Talk:8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:8′46″">Talk:8′46″</a> of the move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:8_minutes_and_46_seconds" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds">Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds</a> based on where the pages were before 16:03 <ul><li>edit summary: Notifying target talkpage of move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:8_minutes_and_46_seconds" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds">Talk:8 minutes and 46 seconds</a></li></ul></li></ul> <noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="150" data-file-height="150"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/30px-Icon_tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/40px-Icon_tools.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Working – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T01:58:00.000Z-8%E2%80%B246%E2%80%B3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This is a timing issue that I'm not sure I reproduced in testing, but I think other patches I've put in place including v 7.37 should catch it depending on the timing. So I'm taking this off my to-do list until another instance of the problem is noticed, at least. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-07-04T01:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="John_Brown_(abolitionist)" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Brown_(abolitionist)-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-06-14T15:38:00.000Z">John Brown (abolitionist)</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: John Brown (abolitionist)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> <a href="/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)" title="John Brown (abolitionist)">John Brown (abolitionist)</a> was listed as a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/962498193#Possibly_incomplete_requests" title="Special:PermanentLink/962498193">possibly incomplete request</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:John_Brown_(abolitionist)" title="Talk:John Brown (abolitionist)">Talk:John Brown (abolitionist)</a> – <a href="/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)" title="John Brown (abolitionist)">John Brown (abolitionist)</a> is requested for move to <a href="/wiki/John_Brown" class="mw-disambig" title="John Brown">John Brown</a>, which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move</li></ul> After the RM was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962498223" title="Special:Diff/962498223">converted to a multi-move request at 11:53, 14 June 2020</a>, the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962499041" title="Special:Diff/962499041">posted a redundant notification at 12:01, 14 June 2020</a> on <a href="/wiki/Talk:John_Brown" title="Talk:John Brown">Talk:John Brown</a> <ul><li>edit summary: Notifying of multimove discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:John_Brown_(abolitionist)" title="Talk:John Brown (abolitionist)">Talk:John Brown (abolitionist)</a></li></ul> The original move notice was lacking the template <dl><dd><code>{{User:RMCD bot/multimove|1=John Brown (disambiguation)|2=Talk:John Brown (abolitionist)#Requested move 13 June 2020 }}</code></dd></dl> because originally it wasn't a multi-move. Upon conversion to multi-move the template should just be added to the original notice. <noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="150" data-file-height="150"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/30px-Icon_tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/40px-Icon_tools.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Working – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T15:38:00.000Z-John_Brown_(abolitionist)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> Fixed by bot v 7.40 – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-17T17:34:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales" data-mw-thread-id="h-Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales-Misplaced_move_notification-2020-06-14T19:31:00.000Z">Leader of the Opposition in Wales</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Leader of the Opposition in Wales" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> This one is similar to <a href="#New_Corella">#New Corella</a>, but the page was moved conventionally rather than page-mover swapped. <ul><li>At 11:15, bot processing begins</li> <li>At 11:22 / 11:23 <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962324496" title="Special:Diff/962324496">RM closed</a></li> <li>At 11:23, 13 June 2020‎ <a href="/wiki/User:Llemiles" title="User:Llemiles">Llemiles</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962324557" title="Special:Diff/962324557">moved</a> page <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd&redirect=no">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales&redirect=no">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Wales</a>: As per consensus at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd</a></li> <li>At 11:23, 13 June 2020, the bot <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962324563" title="Special:Diff/962324563">notified</a> <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Wales">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Wales</a> of the move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> based on where the pages were before 11:23 <ul><li>edit summary: Notifying talk page of move discussion on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a></li></ul></li> <li>At 11:23, 13 June 2020, the bot reports this as both <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/962324581#Malformed_requests" title="Special:Diff/962324581">Malformed and possibly incomplete</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> – <a href="/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> redirects to requested name: <a href="/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales" class="mw-redirect" title="Leader of the Opposition in Wales">Leader of the Opposition in Wales</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Talk:Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> – <a href="/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_the_Senedd" class="mw-redirect" title="Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd">Leader of the Opposition in the Senedd</a> is requested for move to <a href="/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales" class="mw-redirect" title="Leader of the Opposition in Wales">Leader of the Opposition in Wales</a>, which has non-redirecting content and is not requested for move</li></ul></li></ul> <noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="150" data-file-height="150"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/20px-Icon_tools.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/30px-Icon_tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Icon_tools.svg/40px-Icon_tools.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Working – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T19:31:00.000Z-Leader_of_the_Opposition_in_Wales" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>v 7.38 addresses this... now when this happens notifications are skipped and this won't be reported as a "possibly incomplete" request. Really, notifications should be skipped any time the bot sees what it thinks is a malformed request. "Redirects to requested name" is still reported as a "soft error": "May be in process of closing." This is not a problem needing attention if it's an edit conflict, but if hours pass after the page moved and the RM still hasn't been closed then it is a problem needing attention. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2020-06-16T15:50:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2020-06-14T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(14)"><h2 id="Why_did_the_bot_do_this?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_did_the_bot_do_this?-2021-10-24T19:08:00.000Z">Why did the bot do this?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Why did the bot do this?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-164' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-2021-11-16T01:09:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2021-11-08T23:29:00.000Z">3 years ago</a>7 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> Why did this bot do <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Flight_Attendant_(TV_series)&diff=1051646031&oldid=1051645861">this</a>?<a href="/wiki/User:Vice_regent" title="User:Vice regent">VR</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vice_regent" title="User talk:Vice regent">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Vice_regent-2021-10-24T19:08:00.000Z-Why_did_the_bot_do_this?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Edit conflict with bot's processing. The bot would have reverted itself on the next run as it automatically removes these templates after an RM is closed. In this case, the RM was still open when the bot passed by the page. This issue should be addressed by <a href="#Edit_warring">my next bot coding task</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-10-25T00:51:00.000Z-Vice_regent-2021-10-24T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Ok thanks. I see that now<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shabuhragan&diff=1052306880&oldid=1052304480">[5]</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Vice_regent" title="User:Vice regent">VR</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vice_regent" title="User talk:Vice regent">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Vice_regent-2021-10-28T13:28:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2021-10-25T00:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>The bot <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sharma_(comedian)&diff=1052824875&oldid=1052824789">did it again</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Vice_regent" title="User:Vice regent">VR</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vice_regent" title="User talk:Vice regent">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Vice_regent-2021-10-31T09:05:00.000Z-Vice_regent-2021-10-24T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I've started laying some groundwork to fix this issue. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-11-05T20:29:00.000Z-Vice_regent-2021-10-31T09:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit" class="extiw" title="mw:API:Edit">mw:API:Edit</a> has parameters that are used to detect edit conflicts. My bot framework has a rudimentary option to use these but I think my algorithm is too complicated to use that as designed. Anyhow that may be an option for solving this particular issue, versus trawling through edit histories. Just also noting that I named that template <a href="/wiki/User:RMCD_bot/subject_notice" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RMCD bot/subject notice">User:RMCD bot/subject notice</a> as an attempt to communicate to editors, "this template is property of the bot, which will take responsibility for its proper usage, including removal when appropriate." The issue is the bot doesn't work in real time, and thus there can be a lag of up to 15–20 minutes or more from when the RM is closed to when the bot removes that template. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-11-08T23:29:00.000Z-Why_did_the_bot_do_this?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>OK, so detecting edit conflicts or reversions of bot edits requires still unimplemented changes in my bot's framework. In lieu of that, I have <a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> Fixed this specific issue with version 7.67 which won't post notifications more than one week after the RM was listed. That addresses the issues linked above. There is still a chance for this issue to repeat if an RM is speedily closed, but that should happen about as often as it snows in mid-summer. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2021-11-16T01:09:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2021-11-08T23:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><h2 id="Indication_of_move_protection_settings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indication_of_move_protection_settings-2022-03-02T12:50:00.000Z">Indication of move protection settings</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Indication of move protection settings" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-165' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-SilverLocust-20240202204500-Wbm1058-20231014163800">9 months ago</a>6 comments5 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> Is it possible to add an indication of page move protection settings of the pages involved in move discussion? Basically, there have been some cases where I go to a RM & realise it's template protected (could even be sysop protected). Maybe, we should add an indication of this in the elapsed/backlog requests list, so that everyone knows what rights are required for closing the move. Sysops would know that this particular RM requires their intervention, etc. An underline on page name, like it is under Discuss seems appropriate. A section noting the significance/meaning of these underlines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> would help everyone know what they stand for. Thanks! ---<a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom" title="User:CX Zoom">CX Zoom</a>(he/him) (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CX_Zoom" title="User talk:CX Zoom">let's talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CX_Zoom" title="Special:Contributions/CX Zoom">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-CX_Zoom-2022-03-02T12:50:00.000Z-Indication_of_move_protection_settings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The technology exists: <code>{{PROTECTIONLEVEL:move|Elton John}}</code> → sysop; <code>{{PROTECTIONLEVEL:move|Template:Pp-template}}</code> → templateeditor. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Redrose64-2022-03-02T21:47:00.000Z-CX_Zoom-2022-03-02T12:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Yes, the bot would obtain it via <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Info" class="extiw" title="mw:API:Info">mw:API:Info</a>. But this idea raised another idea in my mind, which is to flag requested move targets that have page histories that prevent page-movers from moving directly over the redirect. I find unnecessary round-robin moves to be annoying as they add confusion to the page-move histories. I envision preemptive deletions of page-move-blocking edits, while the RM is open, to enable RM-closing page movers to move directly over the redirect. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-2022-03-12T17:18:00.000Z-Redrose64-2022-03-02T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Interesting take on the round-robin technique. Your suggestion to make it possible for page movers to be able to move over multiple-edit redirects is admirable and I hope it comes to pass. I remember reading that when a redirect's page history is substantial, then even admins should use the round-robin to preserve the page history. I have been using a different technique when the page history is not substantial, which is simply to move the redirect to a new, plausible title without leaving a redirect behind. So the old redirect is deleted much the same way an admin would do it, except that there is a new redirect created. One tricky part for page movers would be weighing how substantial the redirect's page history is. Novice page movers might want to avoid this procedure until they are experienced enough to measure what is and isn't a substantial page history. <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth">P.I. Ellsworth</a> - <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor">ed.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth">put'r there</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2022-04-22T09:09:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2022-03-12T17:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> A new template {{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:RM_protected&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:RM protected (page does not exist)">RM protected</a>}} was created on 14 September 2023‎ by <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a>. Example transclusion <a href="/wiki/Talk:Timmarasu#Requested_move_2_October_2023" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Timmarasu">here</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20231014163800-Indication_of_move_protection_settings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I have drafted some potential changes to <a href="/wiki/Module:Requested_move" title="Module:Requested move">Module:Requested move</a> and {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">requested move/dated</a>}}, so that {{<a href="/wiki/Template:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:RM">subst:RM</a>}} will check each current/proposed title for admin/template-editor protection and add an icon to the /dated template with <code>|protected=</code>. See <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Requested_move#Detecting_and_showing_page_protection" title="Template talk:Requested move">Template talk:Requested move#Detecting and showing page protection</a> for more info and sandbox links.</dd> <dd>I did a couple small tests to see if it would cause any issue with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RMCD_bot">RMCD bot</a> by adding <code>|protected=yes</code> to <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1201931546" title="Special:Diff/1201931546">an existing RM</a> of mine and to a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1201961828#Requested_move_1_February_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1201961828">sandbox RM</a>. The former is still listed as usual, and the latter <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1201964630" title="Special:Diff/1201964630">was listed as usual</a> (for the 15 minutes before it was removed at the next bot cycle). <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-SilverLocust-20240202204500-Wbm1058-20231014163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><h2 id="Requesting_edits_to_protected_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requesting_edits_to_protected_pages-2022-04-04T21:42:00.000Z">Requesting edits to protected pages</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Requesting edits to protected pages" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-166' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240309231000-Frostly-20240309220000">8 months ago</a>3 comments3 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> Hi there! I'd like to request that when the bot has insufficient perms to edit certain pages to add the banner, it adds an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EDITREQ">an edit request</a> to the talk page. An example of this happening is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Archive_1#Requested_move_31_March_2022" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Archive 1">here</a>. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:EpicPupper" class="mw-redirect" title="User:EpicPupper">🐶 EpicPupper</a> (he/him | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EpicPupper" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:EpicPupper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-EpicPupper-2022-04-04T21:42:00.000Z-Requesting_edits_to_protected_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>, just following up :) — <a href="/wiki/User:Frostly" title="User:Frostly">Frostly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frostly" title="User talk:Frostly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Frostly-20240309220000-EpicPupper-2022-04-04T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This is lower priority because it's not a frequently-occurring problem. My bot tells me (in its console report, when I check in on that) when it hasn't posted a notice somewhere. I don't see that very often. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240309231000-Frostly-20240309220000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><h2 id="Humans_editing_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Humans_editing_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions-20231020140500">Humans editing Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Humans editing Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-167' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Frostly-20240309220500-GeoffreyT2000-20240222155100">8 months ago</a>8 comments6 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Hello" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello-Humans_editing_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions-20231020140500">Hello</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Hello" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element">  Moved from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">User talk:wbm1058</a></div></div> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>:, <a href="/wiki/Muhammad_Ayub_Khan" class="mw-redirect" title="Muhammad Ayub Khan">Muhammad Ayub Khan</a> should be renamed as <a href="/wiki/Ayub_Khan_(President_of_Pakistan)" class="mw-redirect" title="Ayub Khan (President of Pakistan)">Ayub Khan (President of Pakistan)</a>. I had requested about it in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a> but it was reverted, see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions&diff=prev&oldid=1181041248">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hamwal" title="User:Hamwal">Hamwal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamwal" title="User talk:Hamwal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Hamwal-20231020140500-Hello" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hamwal" title="User:Hamwal">Hamwal</a>: You didn't follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">move request process</a>, specifically the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PCM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PCM">WP:PCM</a> section. Please read it and make your move proposal correctly. - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG" title="User talk:UtherSRG">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-UtherSRG-20231020141200-Hamwal-20231020140500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> I suppose I could enhance the bot to look at the edit history of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a>, and make it post a notice on the talk page of any editor who happened to be the last editor to edit that subpage, basically telling that editor the same thing that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> did. On 15 December 2023, I <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1190079125" title="Special:Diff/1190079125">added a new function</a> <code>recent_page_edits</code> to botclasses.php – this function hasn't been tested in production code yet, though. I should write another, related function that gets the user ID of the most recent editor of a specified page, for this purpose. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240119160500-Hello" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>See also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive_35#Template-protect_Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 35">Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 35#Template-protect Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a>. That died with some opposition but I maintain we should make this misuse impossible not build increasingly elaborate footguns and bullet trackers. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Pppery-20240219035700-Wbm1058-20240119160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Hmm. Noting that since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">Wikipedia:Good article nominations</a> was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1184666064" title="Special:Diff/1184666064">template-protected on 11 November 2023</a>, there has only been one non-bot edit to that page, by an administrator who apparently <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1197676039" title="Special:Diff/1197676039">knew what they were doing</a>, since their change was not reverted by the bot's next edit. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240219144200-Pppery-20240219035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>That archived discussion points out that not all edits to the bot's page are misuse. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1185407333" title="Special:Diff/1185407333">Here</a> an editor who is not a template editor jumped in a minute after the bot's last edit to correct their requested move target. They just wanted to get a jump on the bot, which would have made the same change, albeit about 15 minutes later.</li> <li>The bot did not edit its page <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1188478568" title="Special:Diff/1188478568">after 13:34, 5 December 2023</a>, until <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1188479330" title="Special:Diff/1188479330">18:19, 5 December 2023</a>. Hmm, that's when <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&namespace=all&target=RMCD+bot&offset=20231205184947">the Twin Towers were under attack</a>. What was I doing? Just <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&namespace=all&target=Wbm1058&offset=20231205210000">regular maintenance tasks</a>, or distracted by the "Rainbow Bridge bombing". Was I not aware of this until a day later (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1188636875" title="Special:Diff/1188636875">18:23, 6 December 2023</a>)? I guess so, I ended the war about <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_4#RMCD_bot" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 4">half an hour after someone finally alerted me</a> about the problem.</li></ul></dd> <dd>On my to-do list: finding solutions that don't <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/footgun" class="extiw" title="wikt:footgun">shoot editors in the foot</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240222135800-Pppery-20240219035700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> Indeed, the page should rarely (if ever) be edited by non-bots. The <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/677418018" title="Special:Diff/677418018">only edit</a> I have made to the page eight and a half years ago, for example, was immediately reverted by the bot in the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/677418578" title="Special:Diff/677418578">next edit</a>. This change replaced the #ifeq with noinclude and includeonly, and I did not ask the bot to do this until about a year later (archived at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot/Archive_1#Noinclude_and_includeonly_tags" title="User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 1">User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 1#Noinclude and includeonly tags</a>). Below are possible solutions with the pros and cons: <table class="wikitable"> <caption>Possible solutions </caption> <tbody><tr> <th>Solution</th> <th>Pros</th> <th>Cons </th></tr> <tr> <td>Template-protect <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCD">WP:RMCD</a> </td> <td> <ul><li>Reduces the number of non-bots who could edit the page.</li></ul> </td> <td> <ul><li>Page could still be edited by template editors.</li> <li>Page is not widely transcluded (only transcluded at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a>).</li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Fully-protect <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCD">WP:RMCD</a> </td> <td> <ul><li>Reduces the number of non-bots who could edit the page even more than template-protecting would.</li></ul> </td> <td> <ul><li>Page could still be edited by administrators.</li> <li>RMCD bot would need to be made an adminbot.</li></ul> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Create a new protection level called "bot-protection" to be applied to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMCD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMCD">WP:RMCD</a>. </td> <td> <ul><li>Makes edits by non-bots impossible.</li></ul> </td> <td> <ul><li>Page could not be manually edited in the event that the bot is down.</li> <li>Creating new protection levels would likely be controversial.</li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <a href="/wiki/User:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User:GeoffreyT2000">GeoffreyT2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeoffreyT2000" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:GeoffreyT2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-GeoffreyT2000-20240222155100-Hello" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-121" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>I think that full protection is likely appropriate. — <a href="/wiki/User:Frostly" title="User:Frostly">Frostly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frostly" title="User talk:Frostly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Frostly-20240309220500-GeoffreyT2000-20240222155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><h2 id="Description_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Description_issue-20240402023200">Description issue</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Description issue" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-168' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240403202000-Saisønisse-20240402023200">7 months ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> Pinging @<a href="/wiki/User:RMCD_bot" title="User:RMCD bot">RMCD bot</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl" title="User:Qwerfjkl">Qwerfjkl</a>: I sought a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions#March_31,_2024" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">unusual description related to retitling articles for the I Can See Your Voice franchise dated March 31, 2024</a> (<a href="/wiki/Talk:I_Can_See_Your_Voice_(Belgian_TV_series)_season_1#Requested_move_31_March_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:I Can See Your Voice (Belgian TV series) season 1">also main discussion</a>); maybe the RMCD bot (operated by Wbm1058) did actually that fault, please resolve this "mistaken typo". Thank you for our concern. <a href="/wiki/User:Sais%C3%B8nisse" title="User:Saisønisse">Saisønisse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sais%C3%B8nisse" title="User talk:Saisønisse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Sais%C3%B8nisse-20240402023200-Description_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-123" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sais%C3%B8nisse" title="User:Saisønisse">Saisønisse</a>: hopefully I've fixed it to your satisfaction. You should always use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move" title="Template:Requested move">subst:requested move</a>}}, following the instructions given in that template's documentation or at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM#CM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM#CM</a>, to request potentially controversial moves; the purpose of that template is to pre-process requests so that you don't encounter the sort of issues you did, which often require me to intervene to fix. My time is over-subscribed. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240403202000-Sais%C3%B8nisse-20240402023200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-124" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><h2 id="Bot_edit_warring_with_itself_at_Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Austria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_edit_warring_with_itself_at_Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Austria-20240403035400">Bot edit warring with itself at <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Austria" title="Talk:List of political parties in Austria">Talk:List of political parties in Austria</a></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Bot edit warring with itself at Talk:List of political parties in Austria" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-169' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240403174500-Pppery-20240403035400">7 months ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Pppery-20240403035400-Bot_edit_warring_with_itself_at_Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Austria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-125" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Thanks for reporting. <a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> Fixed to not edit war by bot v 8.51</dd> <dd>The underlying problem was a commented-out template. I had to make <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1217035913" title="Special:Diff/1217035913">ONE</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1217048626" title="Special:Diff/1217048626">TWO</a> edits to resolve the underlying problem. I've not attempted to make the bot's regex smart enough to ignore commented-out templates or partial-template syntax, so this issue could recur in the future, albeit without the internal edit warring. The problem will be reported in my bot's console, and if I notice that, I can fix it in a similar manner. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240403174500-Pppery-20240403035400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-126" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><h2 id="False_removal_of_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-False_removal_of_notice-20240406102100">False removal of notice</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: False removal of notice" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-170' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240809204200-Hyphenation_Expert-20240809194700">3 months ago</a>4 comments4 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_ethnic_conflict&diff=prev&oldid=1216356755">Here</a>. The request is still open? <a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"> reply here</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Piotrus-20240406102100-False_removal_of_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-127" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The request was closed, at which point the bot correctly removed the banner, but then the RM was reopened. I have restored the banner. <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-SilverLocust-20240406105000-Piotrus-20240406102100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-128" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>: After too noticing the bot doesn't restore the banner on a reopened RM (<a href="/wiki/Privately_made_firearm" class="mw-redirect" title="Privately made firearm">Privately made firearm</a>), I was just wondering if this is something we've always had to restore manually? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hyphenation_Expert&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hyphenation Expert (page does not exist)">Hyphenation Expert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyphenation_Expert" title="User talk:Hyphenation Expert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Hyphenation_Expert-20240809194700-SilverLocust-20240406105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-129" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>This question came up <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1233691856" title="Special:Diff/1233691856">about a month ago</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1055445744" title="Special:Diff/1055445744">special:diff/1055445744</a>. <a href="#Why_did_the_bot_do_this?">#Why did the bot do this?</a> The short answer is that I installed a quick & dirty patch to prevent the bot from "falsely adding notices" after a week, when there is the possibility of editing conflicts with closing administrators. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240809204200-Hyphenation_Expert-20240809194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-130" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><h2 id="Bot_posting_multimove_requests_on_Current_Discussions_with_order_reversed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_posting_multimove_requests_on_Current_Discussions_with_order_reversed-20240602214100">Bot posting multimove requests on Current Discussions with order reversed</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Bot posting multimove requests on Current Discussions with order reversed" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-171' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Steel1943-20240604161000-Wbm1058-20240602235300">5 months ago</a>3 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> I guess the best way to show this issue is comparing <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions&diff=prev&oldid=1226959760">this edit</a> with <a href="/wiki/Talk:Ashley_Park_(actress)#Requested_move_2_June_2024" title="Talk:Ashley Park (actress)">Talk:Ashley Park (actress)#Requested move 2 June 2024</a>. The bot has been posting the 2+ page to be moved as the first and the first not as the first on the Current Discussions page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Steel1943-20240602214100-Bot_posting_multimove_requests_on_Current_Discussions_with_order_reversed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-131" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a>: that's intentional. You can't first move <a href="/wiki/Ashley_Park_(actress)" title="Ashley Park (actress)">Ashley Park (actress)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Ashley_Park" class="mw-disambig" title="Ashley Park">Ashley Park</a>, overwriting the article about the residential neighbourhood, because that makes the second move, <a href="/wiki/Ashley_Park" class="mw-disambig" title="Ashley Park">Ashley Park</a> → <a href="/wiki/Ashley_Park,_Surrey" title="Ashley Park, Surrey">Ashley Park, Surrey</a>, impossible. The moves must be performed in the order specified on the bot's page. It's been annoyance to me to see these out-of-order requests. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240602235300-Steel1943-20240602214100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-132" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Understandable, but ... it can be confusing to readers since, in most cases, the nomination statement will be about a primary topic claim and why the proposed article should move to the base name, but then the move listed before their nomination statement is either moving the current primary topic away from the title or moving the respective disambiguation page. Move discussion closers can figure out the correct order of moves themselves when closing the discussion, since ... honestly, they should anyways if they are moving pages. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Steel1943-20240604161000-Wbm1058-20240602235300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-133" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><h2 id="Bot_stuck/not_running_for_requested_moves?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_stuck/not_running_for_requested_moves?-20240716140200">Bot stuck/not running for requested moves?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Bot stuck/not running for requested moves?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-172' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240810110800-Robertsky-20240729040200">3 months ago</a>11 comments5 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> (Apologies if there's a better place for this question. Feel free to move/etc.) But it seems like the bot hasn't updated <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Current_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions">Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions</a> in over a day (most recent rev I see is from <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1234653046" title="Special:Diff/1234653046">13:09, 15 July 2024‎</a>). There's both been closures, I'm sure, but also new RMs on 16 July which is absent rom the current discussions, such as <a href="/wiki/Talk:Libyan_Crisis_(2011%E2%80%93present)#Requested_move_16_July_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Libyan Crisis (2011–present)">Talk:Libyan Crisis (2011–present)#Requested move 16 July 2024</a> (and others). <a href="/wiki/User:Skynxnex" title="User:Skynxnex">Skynxnex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skynxnex" title="User talk:Skynxnex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Skynxnex-20240716140200-Bot_stuck/not_running_for_requested_moves?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-134" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>The bot still seems stuck. Are there any admins of it able to poke it awake again?</dd> <dd>This is otherwise going to cause a backlog of RMs that may not get the eyes the should. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Raladic-20240716230500-Skynxnex-20240716140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-135" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Pinging bot operator: @<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a> for this.</dd> <dd>I am updating the the current discussion pages in a semi-autonomous manner using the bot's script. It should suffice for now until Wbm1058 returns in a couple of days (hopefully). <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240717004000-Raladic-20240716230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:Skynxnex" title="User:Skynxnex">Skynxnex</a>: FYI, I have tasked my bot <a href="/wiki/User:The_Sky_Bot" title="User:The Sky Bot">User:The Sky Bot</a> to run the same script as a stand-in while RMCD bot is down. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240718034400-Raladic-20240716230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-137" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Thanks for filling in while I'm on the road. I never did get around yet to making this run on the Toolforge. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240719214800-Robertsky-20240718034400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-138" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>No problem. Let me know when you are ready take over. Additionally, I have just figured out the settings for Toolforge to have it scheduled. If you want, I can guide/help you to set it up. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240720115200-Wbm1058-20240719214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-139" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>it seems like a new bot called sky bot has replaced <a href="/w/index.php?title=Rmcd_bot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Rmcd bot (page does not exist)">rmcd bot</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.72.3.91" title="Special:Contributions/173.72.3.91">173.72.3.91</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.72.3.91" title="User talk:173.72.3.91">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-173.72.3.91-20240724172600-Robertsky-20240720115200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">Wbm1058</a>, I didn't notice that you are back until now. I have just deactivated the tasks that it was standing in for. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240729024700-Robertsky-20240720115200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-141" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Thanks again for filling in. I wanted to let the bots run in parallel for a little while to see whether any issues with edit conflicts cropped up. I do have some of my bots set up to run on the Toolforge. Unfortuanately both of my permalink bots (on my desktop and on the Toolforge) stopped working while I was away. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240729030000-Robertsky-20240729024700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-142" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>After I took over the tasks, I realised that there was the potential for repeated messages, so I modified a couple of lines in your code to ensure that there's no repeat of messages from my bot if yours had posted first on the talk page. There shouldn't be edit conflicts on the article pages and the notice pages given that the content should be roughly the same. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240729040200-Wbm1058-20240729030000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-143" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">Robertsky</a>: can you post your modifications to <a href="/wiki/User:RMCD_bot/requestedmoves.php" title="User:RMCD bot/requestedmoves.php">User:RMCD bot/requestedmoves.php</a>? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240810110800-Robertsky-20240729040200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-144" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><h2 id="Incorrect_Action_to_Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incorrect_Action_to_Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)-20240816035100">Incorrect Action to <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)</a></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Incorrect Action to Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-173' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240816132400-Spworld2-20240816035100">3 months ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> Redirecting the title change discussion on this <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">page</a> to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" title="Talk:Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama">another page</a> is an incorrect action. A <a href="/wiki/Talk:Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)#Requested_move_10_August_2024" title="Talk:Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">discussion</a> that started a week ago and moved to another page without closing it ~~ <a href="/wiki/User:Spworld2" title="User:Spworld2">Spworld2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spworld2" title="User talk:Spworld2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Spworld2-20240816035100-Incorrect_Action_to_Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-145" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>Yes, my bot <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1240611743#Malformed_requests" title="Special:PermanentLink/1240611743">complained about that</a>! <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240816132400-Spworld2-20240816035100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(24)"><h2 id="Exclude_/sandbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Exclude_/sandbox-20240819133700">Exclude /sandbox</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Exclude /sandbox" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-174' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wbm1058-20240819184600-142.113.140.146-20240819133700">3 months ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-24 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-24"> It might not be appropriate to remove {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Title_notice/sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Title notice/sandbox">Title notice/sandbox</a>}} ({{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move_notice/sandbox" title="Template:Requested move notice/sandbox">Requested move notice/sandbox</a>}}) as the bot did in <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=1241123946&oldid=">[6]</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/142.113.140.146" title="Special:Contributions/142.113.140.146">142.113.140.146</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:142.113.140.146" title="User talk:142.113.140.146">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-142.113.140.146-20240819133700-Exclude_/sandbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-147" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>No, it was appropriate for my bot to remove <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1241122280" title="Special:PermanentLink/1241122280">the notice</a> placed at the top of <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Requested_move_notice" title="Template talk:Requested move notice">Template talk:Requested move notice</a>, out-of-process. A requested change to that page's title is not under discussion. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Wbm1058-20240819184600-142.113.140.146-20240819133700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-148" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><h2 id="Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" data-mw-thread-id="h-Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama-20240822104600">Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RMCD_bot&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <span id='ooui-php-175' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'></a><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata">Latest comment: <a href="#c-Robertsky-20240823063100-Spworld2-20240822104600">3 months ago</a>2 comments2 people in discussion</div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> The removal discussion(RMCD) decision on this page is incorrect. <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama">Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama</a> (Samastha) is an organization formed in 1926 in the Indian state of Kerala<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.ae/books/about/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html?id=jPtELgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y">[7]</a>. <a href="/wiki/Kanthapuram_A._P._Aboobacker_Musliyar" title="Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar">AP Aboobacker</a>, who was in the leadership in 1986, some leaders separated from this organization in 1986 and formed a <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">new organization</a>(<a href="/wiki/Samastha_(AP_Faction)" class="mw-redirect" title="Samastha (AP Faction)">Samastha (AP Faction)</a>). The name of that organization is <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">Samastha (AP Faction)</a>. In the name of this <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">Samastha (AP Faction)</a> there is an article in which the editing editor(User:Neutralhappy) has removed many parts of the <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama">Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama</a>, added incorrect information, suppressed information from this <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama">Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama</a> in the new <a href="/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama_(AP_Sunnis)" title="Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (AP Sunnis)">Samastha (AP Faction)</a> and changed unnecessary headings. There is no need to move this request on this page, it is the same as the original name <a href="/wiki/User:Spworld2" title="User:Spworld2">Spworld2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spworld2" title="User talk:Spworld2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Spworld2-20240822104600-Samastha_Kerala_Jem-iyyathul_Ulama" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-149" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Spworld2" title="User:Spworld2">Spworld2</a> I think you got confused. The discussion is not about a 'removal' of I don't know what you are thinking of. The discussion should not be unceremoniously removed as you had done. You can leave a comment on it though. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RMCD_bot#c-Robertsky-20240823063100-Spworld2-20240822104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span id="ooui-php-150" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button">Reply</a></dd></dl>    </section></div> <noscript><img 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