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It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Need advice on improving this draft.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cyprus_military_ranks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Cyprus military ranks</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Cyprus military ranks subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-NCO_and_other_ranks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NCO_and_other_ranks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>NCO and other ranks</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-NCO_and_other_ranks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Alternative to range block calculator</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>What are the important project pages to get started with?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Question about citing a blog post as a quote from an expert</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suggested_Discography_Template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suggested_Discography_Template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Suggested Discography Template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suggested_Discography_Template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>User Abduvaitov Sherzod V Viki</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Draft:Age_of_History_II" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Draft:Age_of_History_II"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Draft:Age of History II</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Draft:Age_of_History_II-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Creating_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Creating_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Creating articles</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Creating_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>am I aloud to use this for posting about things?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Misrepresented_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Misrepresented_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Misrepresented image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Misrepresented_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>1962 New York Yankees season table cleanup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>A Quick Wikipedia Editor's Survey</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Learning_in_Wikipedia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Learning_in_Wikipedia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Learning in Wikipedia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Learning_in_Wikipedia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>I need help with making a new figure smaller</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-there_might_be_vandalism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#there_might_be_vandalism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>there might be vandalism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-there_might_be_vandalism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Local Enforcement mechanism for UCoC and ToU by strangers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>How much surgery can I do on this article?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>IP editor keeps making seemingly accidental edits to a page, not sure what to do</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle IP editor keeps making seemingly accidental edits to a page, not sure what to do subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Reporting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reporting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22.1</span> <span>Reporting</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Reporting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Where to place comorbities within a medicine-related article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Getting people to collaborate on a page I made</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Needy_Foundation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Needy_Foundation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Needy Foundation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">28 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Needy_Foundation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_for_submission_review_declined" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_for_submission_review_declined"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Article for submission review declined</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_for_submission_review_declined-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-how_do_you_edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#how_do_you_edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>how do you edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-how_do_you_edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Notability: UK hip hop artists</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Delete_Article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Delete_Article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Delete Article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Delete_Article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Working_in_Draft_mode" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Working_in_Draft_mode"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Working in Draft mode</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">13 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Working_in_Draft_mode-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sir_John_Fitzpatrick"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Sir John Fitzpatrick</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>I have COI and it's bumming me out</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Notability verification: Sam Reid/Studio Revue</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-mistake_in_fixing_ref" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#mistake_in_fixing_ref"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>mistake in fixing ref</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-mistake_in_fixing_ref-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_want_to_share_a_User_name" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_want_to_share_a_User_name"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>I want to share a User name</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_want_to_share_a_User_name-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Wondering about the notability of this article I came across</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Draft:The Red River Ramblers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_revdel" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_revdel"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Question about revdel</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_revdel-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>My Draft Appear to Have Been Deleted</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_for_first_time_editors." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_for_first_time_editors."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Help for first time editors.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_for_first_time_editors.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Review_my_first_sandbox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Review_my_first_sandbox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Review my first sandbox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Review_my_first_sandbox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> 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Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%B0" title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-new mw-list-item"><a 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A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what [[WP:independent sources|independent sources]] say about a subject, not what organisations say about themselves. </div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>:Having said all that, in my opinion. the entire "Professional Designations" section should be removed from the article, because much of it is unsourced, and what is sourced (like the section for your organisation) is sourced only to its own website. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what [[WP:independent sources|independent sources]] say about a subject, not what organisations say about themselves. </div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>:Later on I shall either tag the article, or put a comment on the talk page, or both. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>:Later on I shall either tag the article, or put a comment on the talk page, or both. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::So, who is able to edit that page, if not me? Why am I not able to edit it? I couldn't even get a question answered in a month, so I haven't got much faith in submitting a request to edit the page.</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::As far as professional designations goes, ours should be deleted because others have not sourced their own designations pages? That seems wrong. NARPM only issues the designations for NARPM, IREM issues the designations for IREM, and so on. They can only be sourced to the people who issue them. I didn't check the page for ISO certification, but most likely that would link to the ISO website, correct? It's the same situation here. Why is the company's own website not sufficient? We aren't discussing opinions here, this is factual info and linking straight to the source seems better. </div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::If I am reading this correctly:</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::1. I cannot update my own company info, someone else must do it, and we have no idea who might tackle that or when. </div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::2. Since I brought up trying to update the page, we are now going to be deleting a large section - and the only section that deals with my company - entirely? Well, I guess we won't have to worry about the first question, will we. </div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>::Have I got all that correct? [[User:SawdustForBrains|SawdustForBrains]] ([[User talk:SawdustForBrains|talk]]) 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>== My need for the Teahouse strikes again... ==</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>== My need for the Teahouse strikes again... ==</div></td> </tr>  </table><hr class='diff-hr' id='mw-oldid' /> <h2 class='diff-currentversion-title'>Revision as of 20:15, 2 December 2024</h2> <div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="shortdescription nomobile noexcerpt noprint searchaux" style="display:none">Community Q&A hub for new editors</div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1201045014">.mw-parser-output #skip-to-top-button,.mw-parser-output #skip-to-bottom-button{position:fixed;bottom:8px;z-index:50}.mw-parser-output #skip-to-top-button:hover,.mw-parser-output #skip-to-bottom-button:hover{filter:brightness(1.05)}.mw-parser-output #skip-to-top-button:active,.mw-parser-output #skip-to-bottom-button:active{filter:brightness(0.95)}.mw-parser-output #skip-to-bottom-button{right:8px}.mw-parser-output #skip-to-top-button{right:64px}@media(min-width:1400px){body.skin-vector-2022 .mw-parser-output #skip-to-bottom-button{right:68px}body.skin-vector-2022 .mw-parser-output #skip-to-top-button{right:124px}}</style> <div class="noprint" id="skip-to-top-button"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="#top" title="Skip to top"><img alt="Skip to top" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Skip_to_top3.svg/50px-Skip_to_top3.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="43" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Skip_to_top3.svg/75px-Skip_to_top3.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Skip_to_top3.svg/100px-Skip_to_top3.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="440" data-file-height="374"/></a></span></div> <div class="noprint" id="skip-to-bottom-button"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="#skip-to-bottom-anchor" title="Skip to bottom"><img alt="Skip to bottom" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Skip_to_bottom3.svg/50px-Skip_to_bottom3.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="43" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Skip_to_bottom3.svg/75px-Skip_to_bottom3.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Skip_to_bottom3.svg/100px-Skip_to_bottom3.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="440" data-file-height="374"/></a></span></div><div id="skip-to-bottom-anchor" style="position: absolute; 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href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's unclear what exactly you're asking; can you please rephrase? <a href="/wiki/User:CoconutOctopus" title="User:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: purple">CoconutOctopus</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoconutOctopus" title="User talk:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: pink">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span>TheSmartWikiOne</a>, you have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/TheSmartWikiOne&target=TheSmartWikiOne&offset=&limit=250">used up a lot of the time of other editors</a> but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia. Please consider abandoning Wikipedia and taking up some alternative pursuit. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/TheSmartWikiOne"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"></span>xtools counter</a>. I recommend to be mindful of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a>. In the past, I've seen over-enthusiastic editors getting blocked for similar editing. You should spend more time on help building Wikipedia, and less time on user/user talk pages, or doing some other irrelevant activity. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"></span>But its time consuming am busy looking at houses <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122300-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700"></span>If it is <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"time consuming"</q> according to you, why did you register for Wikipedia! It is great to ask questions, but your questions, as said by Hoary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">have used up a lot of the time of other editors but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia.</q> <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122300-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122300-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122300-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"></span>no <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business." data-mw-thread-id="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"><span id="I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they.27re_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"></span>I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"></span>I do know that the user is actually contributing, or at least... it looks like it. I'm not really experienced enough to what to do from here. Can someone help me out? <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> Could you link what you're referencing for us? <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299</a></dd> <dd>As I said, I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be looking at... I'll get there someday :D <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> With cases of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPAM">inserting inappropriate external links or advertising</a>, you should either alert someone to the issue as you've done here, or, if you feel comfortable, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVERT">revert the edit</a> and apply a notice to the user's talk page, as I've done <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lapiha6410" title="User talk:Lapiha6410">here</a>.</dd> <dd>You can do this far easier with things like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">Twinkle</a>, which you should have access to. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"></span>Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span>The user has been blocked, just informing you! <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600"></span>This is huge :O thanks <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">🕗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400"></span>No problem, love your user signature. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300-AmrAlWatan-20241202142400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202162000-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300"></span>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">🕗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241202162000-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202162000-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241202162000-Cooldudeseven7-20241202145300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"><span id="Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_.22Edit.22_and_other_times_show_.22Edit_Source.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"></span>Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"></span>Its annoying for my 2 braincells, since I'm horrible at source editing, but it always shows up, unless for suggested edits. Is there a way to toggle this? <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a>, are you having this problem on article pages or only elsewhere? There is no Visual Editor support for talk pages, for example, so it's only edit source available there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"></span>article pages <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"></span>Ok, go to Preferences --> Editing --> Editor --> Editing mode. Make sure this is set to "always give me the Visual Editor if possible". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span>thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span>Thank you too, @<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>. This is helpful for me too. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamterous1-20241201135900-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span>Also helpful to me, thanks. <span style="color: #000065; font-size: 5; font-family: monospace">‹<a href="/wiki/User:Hamterous1" title="User:Hamterous1">hamster717🐉</a>› <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamterous1" title="User talk:Hamterous1">discuss anything!🐹✈️</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hamterous1" title="Special:Contributions/Hamterous1">my contribs🌌🌠</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hamterous1-20241201135900-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamterous1-20241201135900-Asilvering-20241126195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamterous1-20241201135900-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span>Hi, just extending some more context for this, edit source shows up when in the source editor, and it can be changed by <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:VisualEditor_toolbar-en.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/VisualEditor_toolbar-en.png/770px-VisualEditor_toolbar-en.png" decoding="async" width="770" height="64" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/VisualEditor_toolbar-en.png 1.5x" data-file-width="991" data-file-height="83"/></a></span> clicking the pencil icon, next to "publish changes". <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700-BlazeFlames-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241202150800-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a>: That isn't what the OP asked for. They were asking if there was a way to get into the visual editor without going through the source editor first. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241202150800-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241202150800-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241202150800-Cooldudeseven7-20241202122700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161100-Tenryuu-20241202150800"></span>Oh, sorry. I should have read the context. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161100-Tenryuu-20241202150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161100-Tenryuu-20241202150800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161100-Tenryuu-20241202150800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"></span>Need advice on improving this draft.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."></span>Hello, I’m seeking guidance on how to improve this draft. It has been rejected multiple times for reading like an advertisement. I’ve made several attempts to rewrite it with a more neutral tone, but I’m struggling to get it approved. To me, it seems neutral, but I may be missing something. Could anyone point out specific sentences or sections that come across as promotional? I would really appreciate your feedback so I can make the necessary edits. Here’s the draft: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span>You need to stop. The article you made is too <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTIONAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTIONAL">WP:PROMOTIONAL</a>. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"></span>To be fair to Commercialindustrial, <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a>, the reviewer who rejected the draft invited Commercialindustrial to come here and ask for advice. Commercialindustrial has asked, politely, for specifics; and has done so according to the invitation. Perhaps you'd care to tell them <i>how</i> the draft is too promotional. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"></span>The great majority of the content and references document financial activities of the business real estate company. While true and referenced, these are about the company's actions but not the company. If you really intend to try again, I agree with the Comments suggestion that all existing content be set aside and start over in the existing draft. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"></span>I will add that many of the references are press-release-like interviews with company executives. The Property portfolio needs to be deleted. Same for descriptions of the Master funds. Content on the three divisions is not referenced. The ESG section requires a ref other than Q. The awards list can stay, but minor awards do not contribute to establishing notability. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123500-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span>I notice that some references in this article are not independent of the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123500-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123500-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202123500-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cyprus_military_ranks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span>Cyprus military ranks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span></h2></div> <p>I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NCO_and_other_ranks" data-mw-thread-id="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span>NCO and other ranks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span></h3></div> <p>NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <table style="border:1px solid #8888aa; background-color:#f7f8ff; padding:5px; font-size:95%; margin: 0px 12px 12px 0px;"> <tbody><tr style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"> <th><a href="/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_NATO" title="Ranks and insignia of NATO">NATO code</a></th> <th colspan="6">OR-9</th> <th colspan="2">OR-8</th> <th colspan="2">OR-7</th> <th colspan="6">OR-6</th> <th colspan="6">OR-5</th> <th colspan="4">OR-4</th> <th colspan="2">OR-3</th> <th colspan="6">OR-2</th> <th colspan="2">OR-1 </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span class="flagicon"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" 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class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="136"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="3"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="113"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>Arm/corps insignia only</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ανθυπασπιστής</span></span><sup id="cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Greek_Warrant-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Anthypaspistis</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Αρχιλοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Archilochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Επιλοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Epilochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Λοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Lochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Δεκανέας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Υποδεκανέας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypodekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Στρατιώτης</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Stratiotis</i></span> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span data-sort-value="Greece"><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/23px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/35px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/45px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="400"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Greece" title="Greece">Greece</a></span></b><br/><small><b>(Conscripts)</b></small> </td> <td colspan="6"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:GR-Army-OFD.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/GR-Army-OFD.svg/50px-GR-Army-OFD.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="128" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/GR-Army-OFD.svg/75px-GR-Army-OFD.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/GR-Army-OFD.svg/100px-GR-Army-OFD.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="100" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="4" rowspan="2"><i><b>No equivalent</b></i><hr/> </td> <td colspan="6"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="49" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-06c.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="94"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="4"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-04c.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="79"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg/50px-GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg/75px-GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg/100px-GR-Army-%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1%CF%82.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="73" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/70px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png" decoding="async" width="70" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/105px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/140px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="73" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>No insignia</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Officer_Designate" class="mw-redirect" title="Officer Designate">Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos</i></span><sup id="cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Greek_Warrant-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Sergeant" title="Sergeant">Λοχίας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Lochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Corporal" title="Corporal">Δεκανέας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Lance_Corporal" class="mw-redirect" title="Lance Corporal">Υποδεκανέας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypodekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Private_first_class" title="Private first class">Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Private_(rank)" title="Private (rank)">Στρατιώτης</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Stratiotis</i></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output 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.cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFtanea.gr2004" class="citation web cs1 cs1-prop-foreign-lang-source">tanea.gr (2004-10-11). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.tanea.gr/2004/10/11/greece/allazoyn-to-ethnosimo-kai-oi-sardeles/">"Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες»"</a>. <i>ΤΑ ΝΕΑ</i> (in Greek)<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-06-10</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=%CE%A4%CE%91+%CE%9D%CE%95%CE%91&rft.atitle=A%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B6%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BD+%CF%84%CE%BF+%CE%B5%CE%B8%CE%BD%CF%8C%CF%83%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9+%C2%AB%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B4%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%82%C2%BB&rft.date=2004-10-11&rft.au=tanea.gr&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tanea.gr%2F2004%2F10%2F11%2Fgreece%2Fallazoyn-to-ethnosimo-kai-oi-sardeles%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-Greece_ArmyOR-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-Greece_ArmyOR_2-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1 cs1-prop-foreign-lang-source"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.army.gr/el/polymesa/diakritika">"Διακριτικά Φ/Π Στολών Υπαξιωματικών Αποφοίτων ΣΜΥ"</a> [Badges F / P Uniforms of Non-Commissioned Officer Graduates]. <i>army.gr</i> (in Greek). Hellenic Army<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">26 May</span> 2021</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=army.gr&rft.atitle=%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC+%CE%A6%2F%CE%A0+%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BB%CF%8E%CE%BD+%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BE%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8E%CE%BD+%CE%91%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD+%CE%A3%CE%9C%CE%A5&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.army.gr%2Fel%2Fpolymesa%2Fdiakritika&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"></span>Alternative to range block calculator<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"></span>I didn't realize that Fastily had maintained the IP range block calculator, an invaluable tool. Their departure from the project means that tool is not functional. Is anyone aware of 1.) suitable interim alternatives and 2.) discussions on the reintroduction of the tool? Best, ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbritti" title="User talk:Pbritti">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> – I was able to access Fastily's password-strength tool on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org">the Wayback Machine</a>. After checking for a couple seconds, I found out that web-crawlers successfully archived a version of <del>that</del> <ins>the rangeblock</ins> tool <ins>as well</ins> from 17 September 2024 (with all functionalities preserved surprisingly after testing it) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240917173419/https://ftools.toolforge.org/general/ip-range-calc.html">here</a>. I doubt that Fastily changed their tools substantially in two months, so I think that should be a feasible interim solution. With regards to the reintroduction of the tool, I actually have no idea, and it would either A) be dependent on Fastily's return, or B) have someone else basically fork Fastily's software to another tool in toolforge.org. Thanks.<span id="3PPYB6:1732808199471:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a>:</span> Hi. I'm not sure if Teahouse regulars would be able to answer that question satisfactorily. The best venue seems to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">WP:VPT</a>. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"></span>Thank you both! <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a>:</span> That does have some incredible functionality for an archived version! ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbritti" title="User talk:Pbritti">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span>New tool: <a class="external free" href="https://galaxybots.toolforge.org/iprangecalculator">https://galaxybots.toolforge.org/iprangecalculator</a> – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><span style="color:black"><b>DreamRimmer</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer"><b>talk</b></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span>Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:Ratnahastin" title="User:Ratnahastin"><span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratnahastin" title="User talk:Ratnahastin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241201062700-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span>Updated with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#Rangeblock_tool" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">this VPT thread</a> indicating recommended edit to the <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Blocklogtext" title="MediaWiki:Blocklogtext">interface page</a> based on your tool. Thank you so much!<span id="3PPYB6:1733034475100:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241201062700-DreamRimmer-20241129055700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241201062700-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241201062700-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"><span id="What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"></span>What are the important project pages to get started with?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"></span>I never received a welcome message on my talk page, so what are the tips on using Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NicePrettyFlower" title="User talk:NicePrettyFlower">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"></span>One place to start is <a href="/wiki/Help:Getting_started" title="Help:Getting started">Help:Getting started</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fabrickator&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fabrickator (page does not exist)">Fabrickator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabrickator" title="User talk:Fabrickator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"></span>Thanks, I watchlisted it so whenever I am doing an act, I will read the article and it's linked ones so I can know what to do first. <a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NicePrettyFlower" title="User talk:NicePrettyFlower">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a>:</span> I'm not sure about your expectation from watchlisting it. Watchlisting helps you identify recently-edited pages from a list you specify, so if you have numerous pages on your watchlist, the "GettingStarted" page won't necessarily be near the top. Perhaps more sensible to just set up a user page with bookmarks, then go to that page to see the bookmarked pages of interest. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fabrickator&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fabrickator (page does not exist)">Fabrickator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabrickator" title="User talk:Fabrickator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241201035600-Fabrickator-20241130044500"></span>Oh, I was new to the watchlist feature and I though it was for bookmarking. <a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NicePrettyFlower" title="User talk:NicePrettyFlower">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NicePrettyFlower-20241201035600-Fabrickator-20241130044500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241201035600-Fabrickator-20241130044500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241201035600-Fabrickator-20241130044500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"></span>Question about citing a blog post as a quote from an expert<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"></span>Is it okay to cite a blog post made by a notable expert (<a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a>) if it's explicitly mentioned that it's a quote? For example, I wrote the following text that was reverted because the source was considered unreliable: </p> <blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> included the developer of 15.ai as one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."<sup id="cite_ref-test_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-test-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></p></blockquote> <p>My question is: is the above valid? My understanding was that per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, quoting that an expert said something about the subject is valid, but something like: </p> <blockquote><p>The developer of 15.ai is one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."<sup id="cite_ref-test_4-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-test-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></p></blockquote> <p>would be invalid. Thank you for the help! </p><p>As extra context, there is a previous noticeboard on the source: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 223">Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Marginal_Revolution_(blog)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"></span>Although I would typically say "yes, that's okay", I'm not confident I like the way you've interpreted what Cowen actually said. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>Thank you for the response – do you have any suggestions on how I should reword it? I tried to be as neutral as possible by quoting Cowen directly, but I wasn't entirely sure on my wording, either. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>Would the following be better?</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> referenced the developer of 15.ai when asking readers to identify underrated talents in AI and machine learning, specifically highlighting technical builders.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>It feels a <i>little</i> bit wordy but I think it keeps it more accurate. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>I've thought about it a bit more and I think a better phrasing would be:</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> cited the developer of 15.ai as an example of underrated talent in AI.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>It's short and to the point and keeps it neutral. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk to me!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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.reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist reflist-columns references-column-width" style="column-width: talkpage;"> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-test-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-test_4-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-test_4-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFCowen2022" class="citation web cs1">Cowen, Tyler (2022-05-12). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/05/the-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html">"The most underrated talent in AI?"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution (blog)</a></i>. <a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution (blog)</a>. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220619203626/https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/05/the-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html">Archived</a> from the original on 2022-06-19<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-11-27</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Marginal+Revolution+%28blog%29&rft.atitle=The+most+underrated+talent+in+AI%3F&rft.date=2022-05-12&rft.aulast=Cowen&rft.aufirst=Tyler&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fmarginalrevolution.com%2Fmarginalrevolution%2F2022%2F05%2Fthe-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggested_Discography_Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"></span>Suggested Discography Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"></span>Thought I'd ask, as I have noticed there's a few discography templates. Which are best to use? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echowanderer43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echowanderer43 (page does not exist)">Echowanderer43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Echowanderer43" title="User talk:Echowanderer43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/1" title="Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1">Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echowanderer43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echowanderer43 (page does not exist)">Echowanderer43</a>. I'm not sure what the above answer has to do with your question, but you might want to try asking about this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies">Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies</a> because certain templates might work better in certain articles. You could also look at articles where each template is used by going to the template's page and clicking on "What links here" in the left-side bar. Seeing how each template is being used by others might help you better understand their differences. Lastly, you can practice using them in your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USERSANDBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USERSANDBOX">WP:USERSANDBOX</a> where you can display them side-by-side or above one another for a visual comparison. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Echowanderer43-20241201082500-Marchjuly-20241129073000"></span>Thanks, you have been most helpful! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echowanderer43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echowanderer43 (page does not exist)">Echowanderer43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Echowanderer43" title="User talk:Echowanderer43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Echowanderer43-20241201082500-Marchjuly-20241129073000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Echowanderer43-20241201082500-Marchjuly-20241129073000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Echowanderer43-20241201082500-Marchjuly-20241129073000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"></span>User Abduvaitov Sherzod V Viki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Sock</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);">} <p>Hello, dear Wikipedian, I am always an active contributor to the English Wikipedia. Please grant me the "enhanced verified user" privilege and what functions this privilege will perform. <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XC">extended confirmed</a> perm requires 500 edits and a month-old account. Your account only has 38 edits and is 2 days old. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"></span>What is the "Verified Advanced Users" function? Thanks. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"></span>I'm not sure what you mean. The English Wikipedia does not have a perm with that name - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTS">WP:RIGHTS</a> for a complete list. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"></span>I would like to tell you about the functions of the "enhanced authenticated users" right and how to obtain it. Thank you. Olg‘a. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"></span>There is no such thing on en.wiki, but there may be something with a similar name on one of the other language wikipedias, being separate projects they do their user groups differently. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User:DandelionAndBurdock">D'n'B</a>-<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User talk:DandelionAndBurdock">t</a></i> -- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a>:</span> Let me reverse the question: what contribution are you trying to make, that you cannot do currently? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241201112800-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span>We're done here. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Abduvaitov_Sherzod_2" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abduvaitov Sherzod 2">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abduvaitov Sherzod 2</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241201112800-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241201112800-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241201112800-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Age_of_History_II" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Age_of_History_II&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Age of History II (page does not exist)">Draft:Age of History II</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"></span>Hello, what do I do with this article - old draft? <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> anyone, including you, can improve the draft and submit it for review at any time. If no edits are made for 6 months the draft will be deleted per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"></span>Set <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"></span>Well that G13 is supposed to be for drafts neglected for 6 months. G7 applies if your wrote the content yourself. But that does not apply either as it was written by a now blocked user. May be best to leave it deleted so that someone else can make a fresh start. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"></span>I saw the draft was about to G13 out in a week or so, but (other than a four character change on June 11) there was no substantive work since last October. I might not have gotten the criteria correct, but I thought it was close enough. <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span>Do the introduction tutorial to find out! :) <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ratnahastin-20241201140600-СтасС-20241130100300"></span>Good game but sadly not notable. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ratnahastin" title="User:Ratnahastin"><span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratnahastin" title="User talk:Ratnahastin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ratnahastin-20241201140600-СтасС-20241130100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ratnahastin-20241201140600-СтасС-20241130100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ratnahastin-20241201140600-СтасС-20241130100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241202042800-Ratnahastin-20241201140600"></span>Yes--<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241202042800-Ratnahastin-20241201140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241202042800-Ratnahastin-20241201140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241202042800-Ratnahastin-20241201140600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800-СтасС-20241202042800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> My answer is sent. Did you see it? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800-СтасС-20241202042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800-СтасС-20241202042800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800-СтасС-20241202042800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241202173400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> Yes, I see your answer.--<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241202173400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241202173400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241202173400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creating_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"></span>Creating articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"></span>Does the create article button appear when I complete the medium and hard article edits? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span>Yep. But recommend to be in draft space. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">WP:YFA</a> for a guide on how to create and then submit a draft. However, it is strongly advised you put in time attempting to improve existing articles before essaying to create an article. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201112500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>I strongly agree with David notMD. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241201112500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201112500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201112500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?" data-mw-thread-id="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"><span id="am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"></span>am I aloud to use this for posting about things?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"></span>I am new pardon me. I don't know what this is for. is it for posting about things i like? if you could answer that would be great thanks! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span>my bad I'm just new <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>As it says at the top of the page "Your go-to place for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia".It is not a place to post about things you like sorry, you can use social media for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"></span>I do not like social media so I will stay far away from here and social media <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>The Teahouse page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>Hi 24.101.0.156 and welcome to Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia. As such we only write about things that are factual and that we can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verify</a> by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">citing</a> a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>. Most people edit in subject areas which interest them. Please see the template I left on your talk page for more detailed information. If you would like more information about the project in general, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a>. Best regards... -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"></span>For same reasons, Talk pages of articles are not a place to express what you like or do not like. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span>Hello! It looks like there is a spelling mistake on the subject name. It is not "aloud" it should be "allowed". Hope this helps! <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misrepresented_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"></span>Misrepresented image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"></span>I don't know what the rules or procedures are about this, but this image looks like a problem. "<a href="/wiki/Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Abu Nidal Organization">Abu Nidal Organization</a> flag.jpg" (<a href="/wiki/File:Abu_Nidal_Organization_flag.jpg" title="File:Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg">file link</a>) </p><p>I found it used here on English Wikipedia, and it seems to be only hosted here locally, but not on commons. The image page here claims a non free use rationale, "to illustrate the government or agency in question", but I can't find any attribution for where the image came from? </p><p>Also, it looks like a less tightly cropped copy of the flag for a more well known group: "File: <a href="/wiki/Fatah" title="Fatah">Fatah</a> flag.png" (<a href="/wiki/File:Fatah_flag.png" title="File:Fatah flag.png">file link</a>) That image page has a similar statement, "Used for purposes of illustration in an educational article about the entity represented by the image". </p><p>But the page for <a href="/wiki/Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Abu Nidal Organization">Abu Nidal Organization</a> says the organizations split, so they're not the same entity / organization. <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"></span>For the first file <a href="/wiki/File:Abu_Nidal_Organization_flag.jpg" title="File:Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg">File: Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg</a>, it was uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User:Dmhll" title="User:Dmhll">user:Dmhll</a> who is still active on Wikipedia. So you can ask about it. What is CAT-UXO? If it is a web site, it is best to link to the page it is from. But as you suggest, if it is not genuine or correct for that organisation, it does not satisfy the fair use criteria, and should be deleted. THis also lease me to <a href="/wiki/File:Fatah_Flag_Vector_Graphic.png" title="File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png">File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png</a> on commons, which has a false copyright label on it, as it would be a derivative of a copyrighted flag. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"></span>Industrial Metal Brain</a>, "Abu Nidal Organization" was the name used by Western sources. The group actually called itself "Fatah – Revolutionary Council" and it claimed to be the genuine Fatah. It therefore seems plausible that the group may have used the same flag as the original group led by <a href="/wiki/Yasser_Arafat" title="Yasser Arafat">Yasser Arafat</a> as a claim of legitimacy. I suggest that you discuss the matter at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Talk:Abu Nidal Organization">Talk:Abu Nidal Organization</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241130221500-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span>UXO is an abbreviation for <a href="/wiki/Unexploded_ordnance" title="Unexploded ordnance">Unexploded ordnance</a> and CAT-UXO is an educational organization that publicizes the dangers and trains people to deal with the problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241130221500-Cullen328-20241130215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241130221500-Cullen328-20241130215600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241130221500-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201055800-Cullen328-20241130221500"></span>I can't find any page it could have come from on CAT-UXO, possibly because the group no longer exist? But the upload date is this year. Also, that website abbreviate <a href="/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Martyrs%27_Brigades" title="Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades">Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades</a> with two As, so they don't seem very reliable on the cultural and political aspects. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/terrorist-groups/aamb-al-aqsa-martyrs-brigade">https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/terrorist-groups/aamb-al-aqsa-martyrs-brigade</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201055800-Cullen328-20241130221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201055800-Cullen328-20241130221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201055800-Cullen328-20241130221500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201050800-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span>but that needs a citation <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201050800-Cullen328-20241130215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201050800-Cullen328-20241130215600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201050800-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span>and <a href="/wiki/Fatah_Revolutionary_Council" title="Fatah Revolutionary Council">Fatah Revolutionary Council</a> is a different org. <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000-Cullen328-20241130215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000-Cullen328-20241130215600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000-Cullen328-20241130215600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241201185400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000"></span>Different organizations sometimes share the same name. See the note at the top of that article. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241201185400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241201185400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241201185400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241201060000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"></span>1962 New York Yankees season table cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span>Hello. Go to above article, go to Composite Box-score by innings. Cant align the innings with data. Opponents on top, Yankees beneath. Thank you for your help.<a href="/wiki/User:Theairportman33531" title="User:Theairportman33531">Theairportman33531</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theairportman33531" title="User talk:Theairportman33531">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span>Please disregard. Fixed problem.<a href="/wiki/User:Theairportman33531" title="User:Theairportman33531">Theairportman33531</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theairportman33531" title="User talk:Theairportman33531">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"><span id="A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor.27s_Survey"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"></span>A Quick Wikipedia Editor's Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"></span>Hello everyone, I'm a student at UTK and I come seeking answers on how editors for Wikipedia feel about editing for the site. I know this isn't the most appropriate place to post a survey however Wikipedia's Teahouse is full of active editors and so I believe this to be the best course of action for finding editors for the survey. The survey results will ideally paint a picture on how editors or community members feel about their continued use of Wikipedia, this is to gain insight on informational database communities. After I've gathered the survey results, I plan to write an article for Wikipedia elaborating on the results to share my findings with the public in case anyone else is interested. Here is a link to the survey, I greatly appreciate anyone taking the time to check out this survey. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScB-CUzRsX5SYAA9oxqJfS6-4eCEq1zQmE55AL6WZ89wAQjvQ/viewform?usp=sf_link">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScB-CUzRsX5SYAA9oxqJfS6-4eCEq1zQmE55AL6WZ89wAQjvQ/viewform?usp=sf_link</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jaboyflamed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jaboyflamed (page does not exist)">Jaboyflamed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jaboyflamed" title="User talk:Jaboyflamed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jaboyflamed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jaboyflamed (page does not exist)">Jaboyflamed</a>:</span> I will comment that an article on Wikipedia is not the place to publish original research no matter how exciting or relevant. However <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Wikipedia Signpost</a> would be interested in this. Perhaps <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity" title="Wikiversity">Wikiversity</a> would publish original research. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span>Badly designed survey question: "Have you encountered instances of bias in Wikipedia articles?". Wikipedia is biased by design. See <a href="/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Yes._We_are_biased." title="User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.">User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.</a> Wikipedia is biased toward verifiable facts. And that is a good thing. It is impossible to answer "no" to that question. The responses you get from that would be meaningless; garbage in, garbage out.</dd> <dd>Another poor question is "How inclusive do you find the Wikipedia community in welcoming new contributors?" Initially everyone is assumed welcome but it quickly becomes evident how many new accounts were created simply to promote something or flout the rules, and those people are not welcome at all. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241201143300-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jaboyflamed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jaboyflamed (page does not exist)">Jaboyflamed</a> You posted a similar question before, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1241#h-Wikipedia_Editing_Survey-20241119191300" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1241">now archived here</a>. Judging by the responses above, you didn't take my advice! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241201143300-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241201143300-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241201143300-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Learning_in_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"></span>Learning in Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"></span>What should I learn after editing? Should I practice creating or something else? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span>Creating a new article is hard, which is why new editors are advised to work on improving existing articles for a while before attempting to create. As for where to practice, your personal Sandbox is a good place, especially while learning how to corectly format references. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241201040300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a>, now's the time to find an article you want to update or a maintenance backlog you want to clear out and get to work! What are you interested in? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241201040300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241201040300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241201040300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700-Asilvering-20241201040300"></span>Umm.. Isn't that editing? But my question what should I learn after editing. (Not in a disrespectful way) <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700-Asilvering-20241201040300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700-Asilvering-20241201040300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700-Asilvering-20241201040300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241201081900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700"></span>So you want to find a way of contributing to Wikipedia that does not involve editing? There are such things; there's dispute resolution, and new articles patrol. But I'd advise strongly against trying anything like that until you have substantial experience in actual editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241201081900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241201081900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241201081900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201064700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300-Maproom-20241201081900"></span>I didn't understand that. <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300-Maproom-20241201081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300-Maproom-20241201081900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300-Maproom-20241201081900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241201113200-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300"></span>By "editing", I mean changing the contents of a WIkipedia article, or creating a new article. Maybe it means something different for you? This Teahouse is for "for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia". <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241201113200-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241201113200-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241201113200-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165200-Maproom-20241201113200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> So I should create articles after editing? Okay, what do I do after learning to create? Is that it? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165200-Maproom-20241201113200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165200-Maproom-20241201113200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165200-Maproom-20241201113200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Special:Homepage" title="Special:Homepage">Special:HomePage</a> will have some suggestions for you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> Did you read the question? I said what should I learn AFTER editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100-Pigsonthewing-20241201115900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241202175500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a>, you're not getting an answer to your question that you like because we're all confused about why you're asking it in the first place. Editing is <i>what we do here</i>. That's the point of the whole thing. We're building an encyclopedia. You do that by editing. If you've learned the basics, you're already ready to take part! That's why I asked what you're interested in, so I can point you at some work that needs doing. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241202175500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241202175500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241202175500-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241202165100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller-20241201005300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller-20241201005300"></span>I need help with making a new figure smaller<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller-20241201005300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241201005300-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller"></span>please take a look at this <a href="/wiki/Electric_car#Sales_of_electric_cars" title="Electric car">Electric car#Sales_of_electric_cars</a>, and you will understand what I mean. Thank you in advance, Walt. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Walter_Tau" title="User:Walter Tau">Walter Tau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walter_Tau#top" title="User talk:Walter Tau">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Walter_Tau" title="Special:Contributions/Walter Tau">contribs</a>) </small> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Walter_Tau" title="User:Walter Tau">Walter Tau</a>:</span> Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, I don't think we have any regulars that are proficient in mind-reading, so could you please make explicitly clear what your problem is? Thanks. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241201005300-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241201005300-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241201005300-I_need_help_with_making_a_new_figure_smaller"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walter_Tau-20241201150300-Tenryuu-20241201005300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu">Tenryuu</a>:</span> thank you for getting back. The figure was TOO BIG. I was able to fix it myself before you replied. Sorry for the troubles.<a href="/wiki/User:Walter_Tau" title="User:Walter Tau">Walter Tau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walter_Tau" title="User talk:Walter Tau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Walter_Tau-20241201150300-Tenryuu-20241201005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walter_Tau-20241201150300-Tenryuu-20241201005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walter_Tau-20241201150300-Tenryuu-20241201005300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="there_might_be_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-there_might_be_vandalism-20241201040500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-there_might_be_vandalism-20241201040500"></span>there might be vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-there_might_be_vandalism-20241201040500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500-there_might_be_vandalism"></span>Well i wanted to check something so yea, basiclly im going to check for some vandilism on wikipedia so please could i edit in case <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emirates380_boeing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emirates380 boeing (page does not exist)">Emirates380 boeing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emirates380_boeing" title="User talk:Emirates380 boeing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500-there_might_be_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500-there_might_be_vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500-there_might_be_vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241201042500-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Emirates380_boeing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Emirates380 boeing (page does not exist)">Emirates380 boeing</a> If you're interested in protecting Wikipedia against vandalism, consider checking out the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CVU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CVU">Counter Vandalism Unit</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241201042500-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241201042500-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241201042500-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201042800-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"></span>Also take the time to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">Wikipedia:Vandalism</a> thoroughly. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201042800-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201042800-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201042800-Emirates380_boeing-20241201040500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers-20241201044200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers-20241201044200"></span>Local Enforcement mechanism for UCoC and ToU by strangers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers-20241201044200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tshwana-20241201044200-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Legal threat and possible trolling</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>Please inform us of the mechanism, if any, for strangers to Wikipedia, to enforce local enforcement of WMF UCoC and ToU against this projects's administrators, checkusers, and editors. These aforedescribed persons have collectively impersonated as our organisation on this project's talk pages as well as on other admninistration pages for conducting systematic defamation of our organisation. The contraventions include harassment by impersonation, trolling, doxxing, hounding, libelling, sockpuppetry, issuing physical threats of violence etc. We require a speedy and effective internal mechanism if one such exists. <br/> <b>NB:</b> We have no intention or desire to interact with the wider community, but only with the specific administrators / oversighters of this project authorised by the Foundation to remove/excise all references to our private organisation(s) ie (oversight) from WMF computer servers and to identify the offending users so we can prosecute them for damages to our reputation. <br/> Note further that we shall be exclusively represented by registered legal professionals (advocates/attorneys) in the course of these enforcement proceedings, and their participation does not acknowledge the acceptance of any policies of this website. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tshwana&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tshwana (page does not exist)">Tshwana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tshwana" title="User talk:Tshwana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tshwana-20241201044200-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tshwana-20241201044200-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tshwana-20241201044200-Local_Enforcement_mechanism_for_UCoC_and_ToU_by_strangers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241201044800-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_legal_threats" title="Wikipedia:No legal threats">Wikipedia:No legal threats</a>, because this is the wrong place. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241201044800-Tshwana-20241201044200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241201044800-Tshwana-20241201044200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241201044800-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandcat555-20241201050500-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span>Mere references to your organization are not illegal at all. This sounds heavily of <a href="/wiki/SLAPP" class="mw-redirect" title="SLAPP">SLAPP</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sandcat555" title="User:Sandcat555">Sandcat555</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandcat555" title="User talk:Sandcat555">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sandcat555-20241201050500-Tshwana-20241201044200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandcat555-20241201050500-Tshwana-20241201044200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandcat555-20241201050500-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-20241201050700-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span>Side comment: OP is blocked; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Blaxstocatamazon" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blaxstocatamazon">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blaxstocatamazon</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Zzuuzz-20241201050700-Tshwana-20241201044200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-20241201050700-Tshwana-20241201044200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-20241201050700-Tshwana-20241201044200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sandcat555-20241201050800-Zzuuzz-20241201050700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">Zzuuzz</a> So a troll then? <a href="/wiki/User:Sandcat555" title="User:Sandcat555">Sandcat555</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sandcat555" title="User talk:Sandcat555">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sandcat555-20241201050800-Zzuuzz-20241201050700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sandcat555-20241201050800-Zzuuzz-20241201050700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sandcat555-20241201050800-Zzuuzz-20241201050700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?-20241201062200"><span id="How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?-20241201062200"></span>How much surgery can I do on this article?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?-20241201062200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dingodog19-20241201062200-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?"></span>I'm a noob, and I don't yet know the customs for editing stuff. I was given <a href="/wiki/National_Center_for_Health_Research" title="National Center for Health Research">this article</a> by the bot to work on. </p><p>In addition to some typos, there are a lot of awkward sentences in there that need help. I assume it's okay for me to have at those? </p><p>In addition to that, some of the references don't work, and others don't seem to make the point that the text says they make. Should I be removing those claims? Or trying to amend them to make them more accurate? Or are those tasks best left to someone more experienced? </p><p>Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dingodog19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dingodog19 (page does not exist)">Dingodog19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dingodog19" title="User talk:Dingodog19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dingodog19-20241201062200-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dingodog19-20241201062200-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dingodog19-20241201062200-How_much_surgery_can_I_do_on_this_article?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070300-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dingodog19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dingodog19 (page does not exist)">Dingodog19</a>! To learn how to edit, you can go to the introduction tutorial which is <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">here</a>.</dd> <dd>After that you can learn how to edit using the suggestions on your user home page.</dd> <dd>Hope this helps! :D <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070300-Dingodog19-20241201062200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070300-Dingodog19-20241201062200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070300-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241201070500-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dingodog19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dingodog19 (page does not exist)">Dingodog19</a> – Generally, Wikipedia guidelines state that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOFIXIT">the article isn't going to fix itself or wait for more experienced people</a>. So, by all means, jump right in!<br/>As for your concerns, I have a few answers:<ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">a lot of awkward sentences</q>: That is known as simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CE">copy-editing</a>, which is a great starting point for new editors (I started by doing this myself!).</li><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">some of the references don't work</q>: This may need further clarification, but I'll assume it's probably: A) the link is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEADLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEADLINK">dead</a> (in that case there are <a href="/wiki/H:AAS" class="mw-redirect" title="H:AAS">archival links available</a>), or B) cite errors (I see none on the article), of which you can find <a href="/wiki/H:CE" class="mw-redirect" title="H:CE">help on fixing that here</a>.</li><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">others don't seem to make the point that the text says they make</q>: This is exactly what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">the policy on verifiability states</a>! If you can find a source (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable, of course</a>) that does actually make the point, as you said, by all means add it (use the cite tool in the editor if you have it)! Otherwise, it is probably best to remove it per the verifiability policy.</li></ul>Just make sure that the edits you end up making follow the rest of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26G" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&G">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a>. Other than that, happy editing! <span id="3PPYB6:1733036705571:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241201070500-Dingodog19-20241201062200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241201070500-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241201070500-Dingodog19-20241201062200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201113900-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dingodog19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dingodog19 (page does not exist)">Dingodog19</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like the others who have answered, I say, Go for it.</dd> <dd>I would advise you to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>, so that you understand that editors disagreeing is a normal part of how Wikipedia works, and if somebody reverts one of your edits, that doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong.</dd> <dd>The other thing I'll say is that 3PPYB6's advice may make it sound as if you have a huge amount of studying before you can start editing. That isn't so. Have a scan of that page, and also look at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">Five pillars</a>, but nobody expects you to have it all under your belt before you start editing. If you don't follow a procedure, somebody will tell you (hopefully, gently!) <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241201113900-Dingodog19-20241201062200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201113900-Dingodog19-20241201062200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201113900-Dingodog19-20241201062200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241201142800-ColinFine-20241201113900"></span>Articles that are more than ten years old, like <a href="/wiki/National_Center_for_Health_Research" title="National Center for Health Research">National Center for Health Research</a>, often need a lot of house cleaning, ref checking, etc., as those are the cumulative results of scores of not hundreds of different editors. Some general advice - if the topic of the article is in any way contentious, look at the Talk page (including archive older content on the Talk page) to see if changes you are considering have been discussed in the past. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241201142800-ColinFine-20241201113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241201142800-ColinFine-20241201113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241201142800-ColinFine-20241201113900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do" data-mw-thread-id="h-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201065400"><span id="IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page.2C_not_sure_what_to_do"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201065400"></span>IP editor keeps making seemingly accidental edits to a page, not sure what to do<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201065400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do"></span>An IP user on the page Country code has been randomly adding the country code for Bangladesh and deleting random parts of the page. It seems accidental, however it keeps happening constantly. The comments are various things, including their personal Facebook username (?). They have been warned twice now as well for edits on the same page. I've noticed other IP editors doing the same thing, adding the country code for Bangladesh to the page or deleting random parts of the article. I'm not really sure what I should do, if I should take it up with an administrator, or try and get the page protected. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:TechnoKittyCat" title="User:TechnoKittyCat">TechnoKittyCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TechnoKittyCat" title="User talk:TechnoKittyCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"></span>I will help you! I can report them. <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"></span>Thank you very much for the help! <a href="/wiki/User:TechnoKittyCat" title="User:TechnoKittyCat">TechnoKittyCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TechnoKittyCat" title="User talk:TechnoKittyCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201071600-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300"></span>No problem! :) <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201071600-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201071600-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201071600-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HATERSHATEBOY-20241201103300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"></span>Please help get WiiUf to quit spreading misinformation so I can donate to wikipedia! $$$$$$$$ GOD BLESS TRUMP! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HATERSHATEBOY&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HATERSHATEBOY (page does not exist)">HATERSHATEBOY</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HATERSHATEBOY" title="User talk:HATERSHATEBOY">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-HATERSHATEBOY-20241201103300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HATERSHATEBOY-20241201103300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HATERSHATEBOY-20241201103300-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201070500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241201070900-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TechnoKittyCat" title="User:TechnoKittyCat">TechnoKittyCat</a> – The recommended venue is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a> for cases like these (this doesn't seem "accidental"; it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandal" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Vandal">vandalism</a> per the linked policy). However, seeing as the page has been vandalized repeatedly by different IP addresses, it would probably be a good idea to start a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">page protection request thread</a>.<span id="3PPYB6:1733036942047:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241201070900-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241201070900-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241201070900-TechnoKittyCat-20241201065400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500-3PPYB6-20241201070900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> Thanks for the reply. I do agree that it is vandalism, however, most of the edits seem to not be intentionally destructive and merely users misunderstanding how to use Wikipedia. Thank you for pointing me in the correct direction, I'll look into getting the page protected and report some of the repeat infringers. <a href="/wiki/User:TechnoKittyCat" title="User:TechnoKittyCat">TechnoKittyCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TechnoKittyCat" title="User talk:TechnoKittyCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500-3PPYB6-20241201070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500-3PPYB6-20241201070900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500-3PPYB6-20241201070900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241201072100-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TechnoKittyCat" title="User:TechnoKittyCat">TechnoKittyCat</a> – Noted. I will probably agree that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">they probably didn't intend to destroy it</a> but they probably should have stopped upon being called out to do so. Still, such editing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DE">remains disruptive to the overall reader</a>.<span id="3PPYB6:1733037663771:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241201072100-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241201072100-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241201072100-TechnoKittyCat-20241201071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Reporting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reporting-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201074500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reporting-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201074500"></span>Reporting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reporting-IP_editor_keeps_making_seemingly_accidental_edits_to_a_page,_not_sure_what_to_do-20241201074500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500-Reporting"></span>How do I report in Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500-Reporting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500-Reporting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500-Reporting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241201075600-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"></span>What kind of report are you asking about, <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a>? (Report of an error? Report of malicious edits? ...) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241201075600-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241201075600-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241201075600-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241201075900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"></span>If this is related to the thread immediately above, then simply, you do not. (i) Don't promise to do something when you have little or no idea of how to do it. (ii) Another editor has already come to the rescue. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241201075900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241201075900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241201075900-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241201074500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article-20241201081200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article-20241201081200"></span>Where to place comorbities within a medicine-related article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article-20241201081200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article"></span>Where do I place a section on co-morbidities within an article about a disease? Does it go in the epidemiology section? The Wikipedia manual of style for medicine-related articles does not say. TIA <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daphne_Morrow" title="User talk:Daphne Morrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200-Where_to_place_comorbities_within_a_medicine-related_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201114500-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200"></span>Hello again, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a>. If there's nothing in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDMOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDMOS">WP:MEDMOS</a>, then I suggest asking on its talk page, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MEDMOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MEDMOS">WT:MEDMOS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241201114500-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201114500-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201114500-Daphne_Morrow-20241201081200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201114700-ColinFine-20241201114500"></span>Thankyou! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daphne_Morrow" title="User talk:Daphne Morrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201114700-ColinFine-20241201114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201114700-ColinFine-20241201114500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241201114700-ColinFine-20241201114500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made" data-mw-thread-id="h-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made-20241201093000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made-20241201093000"></span>Getting people to collaborate on a page I made<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made-20241201093000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made"></span>I'm working on my second article and plan to do many more because my country doesn't have many people willing to write any but it's increasingly difficult because for some reason people here haven't normalized posting on websites, many would rather post on social media and call it a day, that's including government bodies and high authorities in certain industries. Is there a way to invite authors to help research and write. <a href="/wiki/User:D4RKM47R1X" title="User:D4RKM47R1X">D4RKM47R1X</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:D4RKM47R1X" title="User talk:D4RKM47R1X">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000-Getting_people_to_collaborate_on_a_page_I_made"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104100-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:D4RKM47R1X" title="User:D4RKM47R1X">D4RKM47R1X</a> You can try asking for input/assistance at related <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKIPROJECTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKIPROJECTS">WP:WIKIPROJECTS</a>, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Africa" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Popular_culture" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Popular culture">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Popular culture</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104100-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104100-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104100-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:D4RKM47R1X" title="User:D4RKM47R1X"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241201104600-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"></span>D4RKM47R1X</a>, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Nerd_Otaku" title="Draft:Nerd Otaku">Draft:Nerd Otaku</a> suggests that the country is Zambia. When it's time to ask for help, a place to ask would be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Zambia" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Zambia">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Zambia</a>. But before you ask, you should strip the draft of material that can only be sourced to "Nerd Otaku" itself. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241201104600-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241201104600-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241201104600-D4RKM47R1X-20241201093000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104900-Hoary-20241201104600"></span>Well, <i>a little</i> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF">WP:ABOUTSELF</a> stuff can be ok. But it doesn't help the case for having the article on WP. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104900-Hoary-20241201104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104900-Hoary-20241201104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241201104900-Hoary-20241201104600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201125000-Hoary-20241201104600"></span>Thanks a bunch <a href="/wiki/User:D4RKM47R1X" title="User:D4RKM47R1X">D4RKM47R1X</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:D4RKM47R1X" title="User talk:D4RKM47R1X">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201125000-Hoary-20241201104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201125000-Hoary-20241201104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-D4RKM47R1X-20241201125000-Hoary-20241201104600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Needy_Foundation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Needy_Foundation-20241201104200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Needy_Foundation-20241201104200"></span>Needy Foundation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Needy_Foundation-20241201104200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201104200-Needy_Foundation"></span>How can I improve my <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Needy_Foundation&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Needy Foundation (page does not exist)">Draft:Needy Foundation</a>? </p><p>What other details are needed to move this from a draft to an article? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201104200-Needy_Foundation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201104200-Needy_Foundation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201104200-Needy_Foundation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span>A good start would be to read the feedback that has already been provided to you on your talk page and in the draft comments and take action based on that.</dd> <dd>There are many issues with your draft. But the most important thing for you to understand is that independent references are a must (for example, media coverage of the organisation). It's impossible to create a Wikipedia article without these. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MarchOfTheGreyhounds" title="User:MarchOfTheGreyhounds"><span style="background:black; color:yellow;"><b>March</b><i>OfThe</i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarchOfTheGreyhounds" title="User talk:MarchOfTheGreyhounds"><span style="background:black; color:#D3D3D3"><b>Greyhounds</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600-103.121.223.144-20241201104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201105100-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"></span>I would add that media coverage must not just report the routine activities of the organization, but must provide significant coverage indicating how <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">WP:ORG</a> is met. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201105100-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201105100-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201105100-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111900-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"></span>Sir, some references and program images have been updated in the Draft:Needy Foundation.</dd> <dd>Please check it now. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201111900-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111900-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111900-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20241201104600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111700-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span>Sir, some references and program images have been updated in the Draft:Needy Foundation.</dd> <dd>Please check it now. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201111700-103.121.223.144-20241201104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111700-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201111700-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201112200-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span>That doesn't do what we've asked. You need to remove the "mission" section, as Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization considers to be its mission. You need to summarize what others say about the organization.</dd> <dd>Are you associated with this organization? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201112200-103.121.223.144-20241201111700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201112200-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201112200-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201112500-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span>You say that they have received recognition, but don't say what it is. Even if you did, awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves have articles(like <a href="/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize" title="Nobel Peace Prize">Nobel Peace Prize</a> or <a href="/wiki/Academy_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="Academy Award">Academy Award</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201112500-103.121.223.144-20241201111700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201112500-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201112500-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120200-331dot-20241201112500"></span>No, I have no affiliation with this organization.</dd> <dd>The only reason for writing this article is that they implement their programs in different parts of Bangladesh and the lower class people and poor students of Bangladesh get help from their programs. Since they do this good work in different parts of the country, I thought of writing an article about their foundation on Wikipedia because there is no article about the foundation on Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Sir, I have removed the mission section as per your advice. Please check it <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201120200-331dot-20241201112500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120200-331dot-20241201112500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120200-331dot-20241201112500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201132000-103.121.223.144-20241201120200"></span>It sounds like they are an organization that does good work, but that doesn't mean they are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORG">notable as Wikipedia defines it</a>. Also see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOBLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOBLE">WP:NOBLE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201132000-103.121.223.144-20241201120200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201132000-103.121.223.144-20241201120200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201132000-103.121.223.144-20241201120200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201114700-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span>Hello, IP user. Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241201114700-103.121.223.144-20241201111700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201114700-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201114700-103.121.223.144-20241201111700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120600-ColinFine-20241201114700"></span>Hello Sir, I have written this article from a completely general perspective. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201120600-ColinFine-20241201114700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120600-ColinFine-20241201114700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201120600-ColinFine-20241201114700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201124000-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span>IP, I've gone through the references. You seem to have simply sprinkled them throughout, most of them do not seem to support the content they're inserted behind. And some of them which DO support that content are nowhere near it. I've moved one to behing the content it supports, but what we do here is <i>read</i> the sources and <i>write the article from the sources</i>, not the other way around. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201124000-103.121.223.144-20241201104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201124000-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201124000-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201125500-Valereee-20241201124000"></span>I've edited to remove content that isn't actually in the sources, and placed those sources <i>behind the content they do support</i>. I cannot speak to the reliability of these sources, and some are redlinks, which means we don't have an article on them. Often we will actually have an article on a subject but because of transliteration it's hard for a nonspeaker to find. If Wikipedia has an article on any of the redlinked sources (which you can see by looking at the references section), fix the link in the citation so that a reviewer can see. Also it's helpful to expand the sources and translate them, like I've done. We accept non-English sources, but an entire reference section sources in a different alphabet can be daunting to reviewers. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201125500-Valereee-20241201124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201125500-Valereee-20241201124000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201125500-Valereee-20241201124000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201151400-Valereee-20241201125500"></span>Sir, can I submit the draft now or I have to do some more work?</dd> <dd>Please check and let me know. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201151400-Valereee-20241201125500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201151400-Valereee-20241201125500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201151400-Valereee-20241201125500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201152300-103.121.223.144-20241201151400"></span>I'm a woman. I know that addressing people that way is considered polite in many cultures, but it's not necessary on English Wikipedia, and it's better not to risk addressing a woman as sir. :)</dd> <dd>Yes, you can resubmit, but I can't speak to whether a reviewer will be convinced. The pure amount of coverage is probably just enough, but the sources themselves need to be reliable and independent. I'm not familiar with Bangladeshi sources, so I can't speak to their reliability, and some of them felt like they were written from press releases, which is not considered independent. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201152300-103.121.223.144-20241201151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201152300-103.121.223.144-20241201151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201152300-103.121.223.144-20241201151400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201153300-Valereee-20241201152300"></span>Ma'am, can you review the draft and approve it as an article? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201153300-Valereee-20241201152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201153300-Valereee-20241201152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201153300-Valereee-20241201152300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201153500-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"></span>I really can't, because I don't know the sources at all. But you can resubmit and see if another reviewer who maybe is familiar with Bangladeshi sources can help. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201153500-103.121.223.144-20241201153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201153500-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201153500-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201154600-Valereee-20241201153500"></span>The people who review drafts on Wikipedia English are not Bangladeshi, but they still give their reviews saying "there are no reliable references", so I was asking if you could please review my draft a little better and see if everything is correct. If everything is correct, convert it from a draft to a main article page. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201154600-Valereee-20241201153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201154600-Valereee-20241201153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201154600-Valereee-20241201153500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201154800-103.121.223.144-20241201154600"></span>We need to know these sources are reliable and independent. There are Bangladeshi people on enwiki; you can ask for help assessing sources at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bangladesh" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh">WP:WikiProject Bangladesh</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201154800-103.121.223.144-20241201154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201154800-103.121.223.144-20241201154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201154800-103.121.223.144-20241201154600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201153900-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"></span>Why do you keep removing sources? <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201153900-103.121.223.144-20241201153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201153900-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201153900-103.121.223.144-20241201153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201155400-Valereee-20241201153900"></span>Yes, a reference has been removed here, but a reliable reference has been given in its place. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144" title="Special:Contributions/103.121.223.144">103.121.223.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:103.121.223.144" title="User talk:103.121.223.144">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-103.121.223.144-20241201155400-Valereee-20241201153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.121.223.144-20241201155400-Valereee-20241201153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.121.223.144-20241201155400-Valereee-20241201153900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201155400"></span>You need three references that are ALL <ol><li>Significant coverage</li> <li>Reliable</li> <li>Independent</li></ol></dd> <dd>That reference was one of the few that was significant coverage. Unless that reference isn't reliable or isn't independent, removing it hurts your claim to notability. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201155400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201155400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201155300-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span>Ping some Bangladeshi editors <a href="/wiki/User:Ahp101" title="User:Ahp101">Ahp101</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ahammed_Saad" title="User:Ahammed Saad">Ahammed Saad</a>, can you provide any assistance? <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201155300-103.121.223.144-20241201104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201155300-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201155300-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201155700-Valereee-20241201155300"></span>Here's another experienced editor who has edited today, <a href="/wiki/User:Nafis_Fuad_Ayon" title="User:Nafis Fuad Ayon">Nafis Fuad Ayon</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201155700-Valereee-20241201155300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201155700-Valereee-20241201155300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201155700-Valereee-20241201155300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000-Valereee-20241201155700"></span>The "Needy Foundation" is an independent nonprofit social service charity organization based on <a href="/wiki/Chittagong" title="Chittagong">Chittagong</a>. They generally provide charity to poor people, build mosques and related structures, and hand tubwells.<a href="/wiki/User:Nafis_Fuad_Ayon" title="User:Nafis Fuad Ayon">Nafis Fuad Ayon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nafis_Fuad_Ayon" title="User talk:Nafis Fuad Ayon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000-Valereee-20241201155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000-Valereee-20241201155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000-Valereee-20241201155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201165900-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000"></span>Thanks, Nafis. The draft has been deleted, but the question was reliability and independence of the sources, which were these.<sup id="cite_ref-:0_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-:0-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-Hossain-2024_6-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Hossain-2024-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201165900-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201165900-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201165900-Nafis_Fuad_Ayon-20241201165000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span>I believe this user is either evading a block or a meat puppet, I have blocked them. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201155900-103.121.223.144-20241201104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201160000-331dot-20241201155900"></span>Whoops. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201160000-331dot-20241201155900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201160000-331dot-20241201155900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201160000-331dot-20241201155900"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239543626"><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-:0-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-:0_5-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation news cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://amaderorthoneeti.com/new/2023/12/02/371968/">"Needy Foundation's welfare activities for the underprivileged throughout the year"</a>. <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Amaderorthoneeti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Amaderorthoneeti (page does not exist)">Amaderorthoneeti</a></i>. 2023-12-02<span class="reference-accessdate">. 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Retrieved <span class="nowrap">1 December</span> 2024</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Daily+Purbokone&rft.atitle=Rice+distribution+by+Needy+Foundation+in+Anwara-Karnaphuli&rft.date=2024-11-10&rft.aulast=Hoque&rft.aufirst=Ahesanul&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdainikpurbokone.net%2Fzila-upazila-gram%2F529384%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-8">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFImon2024" class="citation web cs1">Imon, Ismail (12 May 2024). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://theindependent.com.bd/post-details/%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%99%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF-%E0%A6%AB%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A1%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%AC-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A4-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%A7%E0%A6%A8">"Inauguration of the newly constructed madrasa building of Needy Foundation at Kaukhali in Rangamati"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Independent_(Bangladesh)" title="The Independent (Bangladesh)">The Independent (Bangladesh)</a></i><span class="reference-accessdate">. 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I accept and understand the reasons for declining based on significant coverage. After a hard look, I realize that most news websites in the developing countries do not put much work into coverage of subjects that they are reporting about. This undercuts subjects from meeting the standards for an article. What can be the way forward? Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Twicebefore" title="User:Twicebefore">Twicebefore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twicebefore" title="User talk:Twicebefore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Twicebefore-20241201105100-Article_for_submission_review_declined" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twicebefore-20241201105100-Article_for_submission_review_declined"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twicebefore-20241201105100-Article_for_submission_review_declined"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241201105300-Twicebefore-20241201105100"></span>Hello. We can't change our guidelines just because certain sources do not perform adequate reporting(and are therefore probably not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>). If a topic does not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it cannot have an article on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241201105300-Twicebefore-20241201105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241201105300-Twicebefore-20241201105100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241201105300-Twicebefore-20241201105100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="how_do_you_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-how_do_you_edit-20241201133500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-how_do_you_edit-20241201133500"></span>how do you edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-how_do_you_edit-20241201133500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500-how_do_you_edit"></span>tell me how <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9">2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9" title="User talk:2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500-how_do_you_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500-how_do_you_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500-how_do_you_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hamterous1-20241201135800-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"></span>Tap the Edit tab to edit. On some pages you are not able to do this though. <span style="color: #000065; font-size: 5; font-family: monospace">‹<a href="/wiki/User:Hamterous1" title="User:Hamterous1">hamster717🐉</a>› <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hamterous1" title="User talk:Hamterous1">discuss anything!🐹✈️</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hamterous1" title="Special:Contributions/Hamterous1">my contribs🌌🌠</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hamterous1-20241201135800-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hamterous1-20241201135800-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hamterous1-20241201135800-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241201143900-Hamterous1-20241201135800"></span>If you intend to add content to existing articles, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a> for ther referencing requirements. New-to-Wikipedia editors often have their additions reverted because even if true, references were not added at the same time. Creating an account is a good idea, although not a requirement. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241201143900-Hamterous1-20241201135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241201143900-Hamterous1-20241201135800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241201143900-Hamterous1-20241201135800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201145700-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"></span>I have left links to some guides, on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9" title="User talk:2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9">your talk page</a>. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241201145700-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201145700-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201145700-2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9-20241201133500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists-20241201154500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists-20241201154500"></span>Notability: UK hip hop artists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists-20241201154500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists"></span>Good afternoon everyone! </p><p>A lot of excellent UK artists and groups (Finn Foxell, Louis Culture, Ramson Badbones, Contact Play etc) lack pages on Wikipedia. The majority of their press coverage stems from interviews in magazines, and I was wondering if sources like these were suitable: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://hero-magazine.com/article/255792/louis-culture">https://hero-magazine.com/article/255792/louis-culture</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://theface.com/music/louis-culture-interview-grime-new-ep-when-life-presents-obstacle-uk-rap">https://theface.com/music/louis-culture-interview-grime-new-ep-when-life-presents-obstacle-uk-rap</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/2024/04/18/wonderland-meets-louis-culture/">https://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/2024/04/18/wonderland-meets-louis-culture/</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.repeatmag.com/post/reasons-to-love-louis-culture">https://www.repeatmag.com/post/reasons-to-love-louis-culture</a> </p><p>They lack secondary sources, since the UK hip hop (not grime) scene lacks a lot of mainstream press coverage. What are your thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Shrapnelnet" title="User:Shrapnelnet">Shrapnelnet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shrapnelnet" title="User talk:Shrapnelnet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500-Notability:_UK_hip_hop_artists"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202124900-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Shrapnelnet" title="User:Shrapnelnet">Shrapnelnet</a> Interviews are of very limited use in demonstrating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBAND">notability</a> since they are not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">independent</a> sources. You may not be aware that there is a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0">specialised search engine at this URL</a>, based on Google, which can be used to find sourcing that is usually reliable for use in Wikipedia. When applied to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Ramson%20Badbones&gsc.page=4">a search for Ramson Badbones</a>, for example, I see that there are hundreds of sources but at a cursory look they all seem to be about broadcasters and others playing the music, with remarkably little in the way of critique. You may be motivated to delve deeper than I did. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202124900-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202124900-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202124900-Shrapnelnet-20241201154500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Delete_Article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Delete_Article-20241201155500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Delete_Article-20241201155500"></span>Delete Article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Delete_Article-20241201155500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nvagda-20241201155500-Delete_Article"></span>I have been editing a few bits of <a href="/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump" title="Wealth of Donald Trump">Wealth of Donald Trump</a>, as it was clearly very biased, but now that I look over it I think it may be beyond repair. Every single bit of information on the article is negative and is almost entirely sourced on left-wing newspapers; so I think it might just have to be deleted, but I don’t know exactly how to go about it and whether it is the right choice. <a href="/wiki/User:Nvagda" title="User:Nvagda">Nvagda</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nvagda&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nvagda (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nvagda-20241201155500-Delete_Article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nvagda-20241201155500-Delete_Article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nvagda-20241201155500-Delete_Article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DieHoren-20241201160300-Nvagda-20241201155500"></span>The sources for this article include the NY Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. These newspapers may express left-of-center views on their Opinion pages, but they are among the most respected journalistic sources in the English-speaking world. Can you to point to any of their reporting that qualifies as 'biased'?</dd> <dd>A writer is unlikely to find information about Trump's personal wealth in the NY Post or on the Fox News site, because they seldom publish anything about him that is not, in their view, flattering.</dd> <dd>Frank Beck <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DieHoren" title="User talk:DieHoren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DieHoren-20241201160300-Nvagda-20241201155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DieHoren-20241201160300-Nvagda-20241201155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DieHoren-20241201160300-Nvagda-20241201155500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Working_in_Draft_mode" data-mw-thread-id="h-Working_in_Draft_mode-20241201155600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Working_in_Draft_mode-20241201155600"></span>Working in Draft mode<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Working_in_Draft_mode-20241201155600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DieHoren-20241201155600-Working_in_Draft_mode"></span>I want to add new material and source citations to an article currently in Draft mode: </p><p><a href="/wiki/Draft:Maurice_Molarsky" title="Draft:Maurice Molarsky">Draft:Maurice Molarsky</a> </p><p>How can I save my additions when I stop working for the day? I don't see a Save prompt on the Draft mode Wikipedia page. </p><p>Thanks! </p><p>Frank Beck <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DieHoren" title="User talk:DieHoren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DieHoren-20241201155600-Working_in_Draft_mode" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DieHoren-20241201155600-Working_in_Draft_mode"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DieHoren-20241201155600-Working_in_Draft_mode"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MouseCursor-20241201160000-DieHoren-20241201155600"></span>Hello DieHoren. When you close the editor without saving, you will be able to recover it once you open the editor for that page. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:MouseCursor" title="User:MouseCursor">M.C.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MouseCursor" title="User talk:MouseCursor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MouseCursor-20241201160000-DieHoren-20241201155600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MouseCursor-20241201160000-DieHoren-20241201155600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MouseCursor-20241201160000-DieHoren-20241201155600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DieHoren-20241201160600-MouseCursor-20241201160000"></span>I just made a change and closed out of the page. When I reopened it, the change was gone.</dd> <dd>Am I closing the page incorrectly? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DieHoren" title="User talk:DieHoren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DieHoren-20241201160600-MouseCursor-20241201160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DieHoren-20241201160600-MouseCursor-20241201160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DieHoren-20241201160600-MouseCursor-20241201160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shantavira-20241201161000-DieHoren-20241201160600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> You MUST hit the Publish button to save your changes, and do this at least once every hour otherwise they are lost for ever. The alternative would be to write your draft offline. <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira" title="User talk:Shantavira"><sup>feed me</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20241201161000-DieHoren-20241201160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shantavira-20241201161000-DieHoren-20241201160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shantavira-20241201161000-DieHoren-20241201160600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241201161100-DieHoren-20241201160600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a>: Welcome to the Teahouse. When you want to save whatever progress you make, click the <span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Publish_changes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Publish changes (page does not exist)"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">Publish changes</span></a></span> button. Virtually all edits are public. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241201161100-DieHoren-20241201160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241201161100-DieHoren-20241201160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241201161100-DieHoren-20241201160600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DieHoren-20241201161300-Tenryuu-20241201161100"></span>OK. I'll do that: I'll publish the changes at the end of each editing session, rather than publishing them all at once. Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DieHoren" title="User talk:DieHoren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DieHoren-20241201161300-Tenryuu-20241201161100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DieHoren-20241201161300-Tenryuu-20241201161100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DieHoren-20241201161300-Tenryuu-20241201161100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241201171600-DieHoren-20241201161300"></span>Please do so, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a>. "Publish changes" means "save my changes to whatever page I am working on, remembering that they will be visible to the world". It does <i>not</i> mean "make my changes part of the main part of the encyclopaedia" unless the page you are working on is already an article in the encyclopaedia.</dd> <dd>In particular, most articles are indexed by external search engines such as Google, but other pages - and in particular, drafts - are not. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241201171600-DieHoren-20241201161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241201171600-DieHoren-20241201161300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241201171600-DieHoren-20241201161300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241201161000-MouseCursor-20241201160000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MouseCursor" title="User:MouseCursor">MouseCursor</a>: Not always. Someone might be lucky enough to have their progress saved, but this isn't a certainty. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241201161000-MouseCursor-20241201160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241201161000-MouseCursor-20241201160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241201161000-MouseCursor-20241201160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DieHoren-20241201161200-Tenryuu-20241201161000"></span>Is there any way that Wikipedia writers can suggest that a Save prompt be added to the Draft mode page, to make editing easier? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DieHoren&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DieHoren (page does not exist)">DieHoren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DieHoren" title="User talk:DieHoren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DieHoren-20241201161200-Tenryuu-20241201161000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DieHoren-20241201161200-Tenryuu-20241201161000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DieHoren-20241201161200-Tenryuu-20241201161000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241201170100-DieHoren-20241201161200"></span>This question had been discussed in the past. People tend to assume that "Save" meant the content in a draft was private until the draft becomes an article. This is not true. All content entered into Wikipedia can be seen by other editors, so the decision was to use "Publish changes" instead. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241201170100-DieHoren-20241201161200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241201170100-DieHoren-20241201161200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241201170100-DieHoren-20241201161200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.66.73.143-20241201184400-David_notMD-20241201170100"></span>Wouldn't it be useful to have a Save button on the Draft page, so writers could check, revise, and annotate their additions before making them public? What would the downside be to doing so? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.66.73.143" title="Special:Contributions/74.66.73.143">74.66.73.143</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.66.73.143" title="User talk:74.66.73.143">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-74.66.73.143-20241201184400-David_notMD-20241201170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.66.73.143-20241201184400-David_notMD-20241201170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.66.73.143-20241201184400-David_notMD-20241201170100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241201184800-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"></span>The "show preview" button will do that for you. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theroadislong-20241201184800-74.66.73.143-20241201184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241201184800-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241201184800-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241201192100-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"></span>Virtually all changes that are saved on Wikipedia are public to other people in any namespace, including <code>Draft:</code>. Sometimes people assume that saving their changes means that they are stored on their account and <i>not</i> visible to readers, but this isn't the case, which is why the button is labelled as such. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241201192100-74.66.73.143-20241201184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241201192100-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241201192100-74.66.73.143-20241201184400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sir_John_Fitzpatrick" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick-20241201175300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick-20241201175300"></span>Sir John Fitzpatrick<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick-20241201175300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shepreth-20241201175300-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick"></span>This submission is not adequately supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> I need help to resolve this, I'm a novice so not sure what to do and how to do it. Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shepreth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shepreth (page does not exist)">Shepreth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shepreth" title="User talk:Shepreth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shepreth-20241201175300-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shepreth-20241201175300-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shepreth-20241201175300-Sir_John_Fitzpatrick"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241201180000-Shepreth-20241201175300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shepreth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shepreth (page does not exist)">Shepreth</a>: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears the draft has been deleted for inactivity after six months. You can ask an administrator to undelete it for you if you plan to work on it. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241201180000-Shepreth-20241201175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241201180000-Shepreth-20241201175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241201180000-Shepreth-20241201175300"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shepreth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shepreth (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241201213900-Shepreth-20241201175300"></span>Shepreth</a>, you started working on this draft in January, 2023. It has been deleted for inactivity twice and restored twice, and then deleted a third time. It has never had any references to reliable sources which are required by several policies including <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">Verifiability</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">Biographies of living people</a>. I think that most administrators would expect you to provide reliable sources before restoring the draft for third time. I certainly would. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFBEGIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFBEGIN">Referencing for beginners</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241201213900-Shepreth-20241201175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241201213900-Shepreth-20241201175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241201213900-Shepreth-20241201175300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out-20241201175800"><span id="I_have_COI_and_it.27s_bumming_me_out"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out-20241201175800"></span>I have COI and it's bumming me out<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out-20241201175800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AssanEcho-20241201175800-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out"></span>I am a member of the reformed <a href="/wiki/Committee_for_a_Workers%27_International" title="Committee for a Workers' International">CWI</a>, which means as far as I understand it I have a <a href="/wiki/Conflict_of_interest" title="Conflict of interest">Conflict of interest</a> and should only interact with the article and those associated with it (like member parties, list of communists parties globally, ect) via talk page. This severely bums me out for 3 reasons: </p> <ol><li>I honestly take pride in being approachable and neutral in irl and Wikipedia and it honestly feels like having a blackstain that others will judge</li> <li>im worried how far it goes. Can I interact with <a href="/wiki/Trotsky" class="mw-redirect" title="Trotsky">Trotsky</a>'s page given that I am a membership of a group which has a very positive view on him? Same with the <a href="/wiki/Bolsheviks" title="Bolsheviks">Bolsheviks</a> and other pages related to socialism and such organisations. I also really enjoyed my access to the site and it's depressing to have it now limited.</li> <li>that the article needs to undergo heavy work given that there's was a concensus to merge it and the other CWI page and I have a lot of issues with the article as it is but i think it'll be incredibly hard to fixup and article via the talk page and giving COI edits that requires someone to see and then approve them, when it's not even very popular page. What do I do? Have I misunderstood any rules so far and if so what can I do? <a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AssanEcho" title="User talk:AssanEcho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AssanEcho-20241201175800-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AssanEcho-20241201175800-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AssanEcho-20241201175800-I_have_COI_and_it's_bumming_me_out"></span></li></ol> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20241201181400-AssanEcho-20241201175800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a>, the fact you have a COI doesn't necessarily mean you can't edit the page. It means you should use caution, and the closer you are to a subject, the more caution you should use. Declare your COI on your own user page per instructions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">WP:conflict of interest</a>. You can also declare it at the article talk page; this transparency goes a long way to showing other editors that you are well-intentioned. Then consider announcing changes you're planning to make on the talk page <i>before you make them</i>. Then if someone reverts you, open a section to discuss, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Ping">WP:ping</a> them there, and listen to them. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Valereee-20241201181400-AssanEcho-20241201175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20241201181400-AssanEcho-20241201175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20241201181400-AssanEcho-20241201175800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241201183800-Valereee-20241201181400"></span>Just adding that if you use <a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_COI" title="Template:Edit COI">Template:Edit COI</a>, it doesn't matter that it's not a very popular page. Using that template will send your edit to a maintenance category that other editors patrol, so it will be seen and actioned eventually. Also, you may want to join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCIALISM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCIALISM">WP:SOCIALISM</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241201183800-Valereee-20241201181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241201183800-Valereee-20241201181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241201183800-Valereee-20241201181400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AssanEcho-20241201223400-Asilvering-20241201183800"></span>Oh thank you both so much, this is such a genuine relief! I really was sad over this but now it's like a massive weight got lifted from my shoulders as overdramatic as that might sound! I'll write the disclaimers on my profile now. <a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AssanEcho" title="User talk:AssanEcho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AssanEcho-20241201223400-Asilvering-20241201183800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AssanEcho-20241201223400-Asilvering-20241201183800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AssanEcho-20241201223400-Asilvering-20241201183800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue-20241201181300"><span id="Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid.2FStudio_Revue"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue-20241201181300"></span>Notability verification: Sam Reid/Studio Revue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue-20241201181300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avienby-20241201181300-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue"></span>Hello, I'm reaching out to check whether the YouTuber Sam Reid or his channel Studio Revue are notable enough to receive Wikipedia pages. I included his 30 day <a href="/wiki/Taco_Bell" title="Taco Bell">Taco Bell</a> challenge on its Wikipedia page as there's plenty of articles supporting it, but also there's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20241130235350/https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/local/2024/10/30/is-fayetteville-the-least-walkable-city-in-the-u-s-youtuber-sam-reid/75839293007/">this article about his Fayetteville walking video</a>, not sure if it's relevant enough for a whole article so thought I'd ask <a href="/wiki/User:Avienby" title="User:Avienby">Avienby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avienby" title="User talk:Avienby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Avienby-20241201181300-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avienby-20241201181300-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avienby-20241201181300-Notability_verification:_Sam_Reid/Studio_Revue"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="mistake_in_fixing_ref" data-mw-thread-id="h-mistake_in_fixing_ref-20241201190500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-mistake_in_fixing_ref-20241201190500"></span>mistake in fixing ref<span data-mw-comment-end="h-mistake_in_fixing_ref-20241201190500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201190500-mistake_in_fixing_ref"></span>Hello. I was testing my bot to repair/fix <a href="/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages" title="Accelerated Mobile Pages">Accelerated Mobile Pages</a>, aka AMP links, and it made <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1260561021" title="Special:Diff/1260561021">this edit</a>. One of the fixed url was incorrect, so I reverted it manually from my main account with <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1260564215" title="Special:Diff/1260564215">this edit</a>. When I fixed it, I thought I fixed it correctly. But now I'm on mobile, and I think I did not do it correctly. Would someone kindly reinstate the non-changed ref? I mean, kindly reinstate only the ref that I tried to fix from the main account. On mobile, I am unable to confirm/be sure if I fixed the ref correctly. I apologise for the inconvenience. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241201190500-mistake_in_fixing_ref" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201190500-mistake_in_fixing_ref"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241201190500-mistake_in_fixing_ref"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700-Usernamekiran-20241201190500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Usernamekiran" title="User:Usernamekiran">Usernamekiran</a>:</span> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700-Usernamekiran-20241201190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700-Usernamekiran-20241201190500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700-Usernamekiran-20241201190500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201214400-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy</a>! It is appreciated a lot. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241201214400-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201214400-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241201214400-Pigsonthewing-20241201213700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_want_to_share_a_User_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_want_to_share_a_User_name-20241201211800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_want_to_share_a_User_name-20241201211800"></span>I want to share a User name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_want_to_share_a_User_name-20241201211800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BoorsCures-20241201211800-I_want_to_share_a_User_name"></span>Hi.My name is Alex from Kochi, India. I just join this Wikipedia with a made up name. Actually I want to share the user name 'AlexTheWikipedian' and print on my visiting card also. I have see there is policy which permits this called <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISU">WP:ISU</a>. What is proper procedure to get my password for account name AlexTheWikipedian ? Regards, Alex Thomas Kurian. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BoorsCures&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BoorsCures (page does not exist)">BoorsCures</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BoorsCures" title="User talk:BoorsCures">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BoorsCures-20241201211800-I_want_to_share_a_User_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BoorsCures-20241201211800-I_want_to_share_a_User_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BoorsCures-20241201211800-I_want_to_share_a_User_name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212200-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BoorsCures&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BoorsCures (page does not exist)">BoorsCures</a>:</span> Unfortunately, that is currently impossible. However, the similar name <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikipedian_Alex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikipedian Alex (page does not exist)">Wikipedian Alex</a> is not taken, and you could take it. Would that work for you? <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuicoleJR-20241201212200-BoorsCures-20241201211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212200-BoorsCures-20241201211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212200-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212300-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span>For the record, that policy specifically says that sharing accounts is against Wikipedia policy in all circumstances. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuicoleJR-20241201212300-BoorsCures-20241201211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212300-BoorsCures-20241201211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20241201212300-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-QuicoleJR-20241201212300"></span>Yes Sir. I have made as my name now. Thanking you for the help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WikipedianAlex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WikipedianAlex (page does not exist)">WikipedianAlex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikipedianAlex" title="User talk:WikipedianAlex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-QuicoleJR-20241201212300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-QuicoleJR-20241201212300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-QuicoleJR-20241201212300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201212600-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BoorsCures&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BoorsCures (page does not exist)">BoorsCures</a>:</span> Hi. I am not trying to be rude, but the ISU clearly states at the very beginning: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Because Wikipedia's policy states that user accounts cannot be shared between more than one individual, the following types of usernames are not permitted because they imply shared use[...]</q> In short: username <b>sharing is not allowed</b>. Also, out of curiosity, why do you want it to be on your visiting card? —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241201212600-BoorsCures-20241201211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241201212600-BoorsCures-20241201211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241201212600-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span>I would imageine <a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">User:AlexTheWikipedian</a> would have something to say about that. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900-BoorsCures-20241201211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900-BoorsCures-20241201211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900-BoorsCures-20241201211800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900"></span>I do little bit editing on Malayalam Wikipedia. My account there is in Malayalam letters which English reading people may find confusing. So I want English letters name account for English wikipedia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:WikipedianAlex&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:WikipedianAlex (page does not exist)">WikipedianAlex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikipedianAlex" title="User talk:WikipedianAlex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikipedianAlex-20241201213500-Pigsonthewing-20241201212900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across-20241202001600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across-20241202001600"></span>Wondering about the notability of this article I came across<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across-20241202001600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across"></span>Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but is this article <i><a href="/wiki/Mr._Magorium%27s_Wonder_Emporium_(novel)" title="Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium (novel)">Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium (novel)</a></i> actually notable? It's an article for a movie novelization adapted from a 2007 children's fantasy film by the same title, but it has no critical reviews, no literary references, no sources other than an old website that can't even be displayed without Flash Player, and the website appears to have been created by the book's publisher/distributor to sell or promote the book. I was curious because it's the first Wikipedia page I've ever seen for a children's movie novel. I've heard that most movie novels, if adapted from a film as a commercial addition to the film, typically aren't notable at all, but I don't know. <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600-Wondering_about_the_notability_of_this_article_I_came_across"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"></span>Hi there!</dd> <dd>This is the exact place to ask, and it seems that the article may not <b>meet Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(books)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (books)">notability guideline for books</a></b>. I checked the edit history of the article and it did not seem suspicious (from the short time I looked at it).</dd> <dd>If you want to improve the nobility of the article, you can cite <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable secondary sources</a> that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources" title="Wikipedia:Independent sources">independent</a> of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merged</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect" title="Wikipedia:Redirect">redirected</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deleted</a>.</dd> <dd>Hope you have a great rest of your day!</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500"></span>Would it make sense to merge the page for the movie novel into the page already existing for the movie itself? I don't know how to do that yet (I'm still sort of a novice), but I've had no luck finding secondary sources for this title. I found a few reviews, but they're only from random internet users on sites like Goodreads and Amazon so definitely not a source I want to be trying to cite here on Wikipedia! Thanks for the advice. <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202002500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900"></span>I feel as if it could make sense here. I do not know exactly how long the movie article is, but given the Insufficient notability of the novel article, that could be a great idea. For more info check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">Merging!</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to ask! </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202002900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400"></span>Sorry to pester again, but funny story... it looks like somebody beat me to the merge a long time ago. There's been a 'Novelization' section on the film's main page for some time, but it looks like it's still set up with a reference link back to the page for the novel. I would guess then that the page for the novel is no longer needed and could be deleted, but the movie's page still retains a link back to the separate page for the novel. I'm nervous about actually deleting the page for the novel in case it affects the link on the page for the movie, but it's partially merged onto the broader page for the movie already. It's sort of like it's referencing content on a separate page, while already displaying that same content on its own page already. The page for the novel at this stage is totally redundant but I don't know how deleting it might affect redirect links. <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202003400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202010200-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"></span>UPDATE: I added a deletion proposal tag to the page for the novelization. It looks like the only redirect link would be on the page for the movie, which is just displaying the same information in its 'Novelization' subsection anyway. Thanks for the helpful advice! I'm still a bit new so don't want to make any mistakes, great that this talk space exists for these things. <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202010200-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202010200-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202010200-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"></span>You are not pestering me at all! I have gone ahead and deleted all links that reference the novel article, and have included all the important information on the main page.</dd> <dd>As for not making mistakes, it seems that you are acting in good faith, and if you make a mistake a mentor will most likely let you know on your <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk page!</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202005300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"></span>Edit clash. I had written quote: Put it up for deletion, <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a>. <a href="/wiki/Template:AfD_in_3_steps" title="Template:AfD in 3 steps">Here</a>'s the recipe. Don't worry about redirects; what you instead need to do is make sure that your nomination clearly and accurately cites an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#REASON" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">established deletion rationale</a>. Unquote. (If anyone removes your prod notice, you can still do this. But not before then.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202011000-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202001600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000-Hoary-20241202011000"></span>There's a note on the deletion proposal suggesting that I notify the author who created the page proposed for deletion. I know the page was created 10 years ago, but would it be worth notifying the original page author, or not necessary? <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000-Hoary-20241202011000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000-Hoary-20241202011000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000-Hoary-20241202011000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202014900-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000"></span>TradingSpousesWelsch</a>, the article in question was created by <a href="/wiki/User:Frog47" title="User:Frog47">User: Frog47</a>, who has not edited in nearly 11 years. I do not think that notification would accomplish anything. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202014900-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202014900-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202014900-TradingSpousesWelsch-20241202014000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers-20241202012900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers-20241202012900"></span><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:The Red River Ramblers">Draft:The Red River Ramblers</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers-20241202012900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royiswariii-20241202012900-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers"></span>Hello! I just want to add this concern of this draft article <a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:The Red River Ramblers">Draft:The Red River Ramblers</a> that I declined on AfC because of lack of information and not pass on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a>. I declined this draft article because, the draft was so confusing to read it and failed of notability on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAND">WP:BAND</a>, although it's stated on the criteria that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.</q> it's still insufficient to accept that article and I am just following the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFCR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFCR">reviewing instructions</a> of AfC. And they can't take a criticism and just being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> and breaking the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">five pillars of Wikipedia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikishovel#The_Red_River_Ramblers" title="User talk:Wikishovel">see discussion from Wikishovel</a>) and it might be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOCK"><b>blocked from editing</b></a> if they do that again. I will mention <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JohnBrazeau&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JohnBrazeau (page does not exist)">JohnBrazeau</a> if you want to talk on their talk page or leave a suggestions on the draft. Please not that JohnBrazeau is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedians">new editor</a> here in Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii">Royiswariii</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royiswariii" title="User talk:Royiswariii"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Royiswariii-20241202012900-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royiswariii-20241202012900-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royiswariii-20241202012900-Draft:The_Red_River_Ramblers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202021800-Royiswariii-20241202012900"></span>Royiswariii</a>, please explain how you think that the article violates the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> policy. I see no such violations. An AfC draft should be accepted if it is more likely than not to survive an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">Articles for deletion</a> debate. The Juno award nomimation and award show performance indicates that this band <i>does</i> meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAND">WP:BAND</a>, and I consider it likely that an article would survive AfD. I suggest that you reconsider. Of course, the draft can be improved but it is not required that a draft be flawless. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202021800-Royiswariii-20241202012900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202021800-Royiswariii-20241202012900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202021800-Royiswariii-20241202012900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royiswariii-20241202023100-Cullen328-20241202021800"></span>Hi, <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a>! Not really violates the BLP, it's just not meet the criteria, I mean all of the band under the BLP right? unless all of the band are dead and it's stated on BLP shell <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons.</q>. It's just a summary of the band and it's lack of information about the band, Although it's meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAND">WP:BAND</a> of Juno Awards but it's just confusing to read the article, I said to JohnBrazeau to check some article existing and create that as a inspiration or idea. I would consider it if they fix the draft, not so fancy but decent article like the sections of article. <a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii">Royiswariii</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royiswariii" title="User talk:Royiswariii"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Royiswariii-20241202023100-Cullen328-20241202021800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royiswariii-20241202023100-Cullen328-20241202021800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royiswariii-20241202023100-Cullen328-20241202021800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202023900-Royiswariii-20241202023100"></span>Royiswariii</a>, if there are no BLP violations then there is no point in mentioning BLP policy. I find nothing confusing about the draft. Can you mention what in particular you find confusing? <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202023900-Royiswariii-20241202023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202023900-Royiswariii-20241202023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202023900-Royiswariii-20241202023100"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royiswariii-20241202024600-Royiswariii-20241202023100"></span>Cullen328</a> it's still under BLP the draft article <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons."</q>. Besides, the draft doesn't have a <code>== Section == </code> that's why it will be more confusing to the readers, not for me but to other's readers too. And I'm finding how they successful of the band too, not just the awards, the rising of their band like if they have a tv exposure, philanthropy, History, Other Ventures, Discography, Filmography, Artistry etc. Although, if one not here i will still accept and consider if they fix the history of the band. <a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii">Royiswariii</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royiswariii" title="User talk:Royiswariii"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Royiswariii-20241202024600-Royiswariii-20241202023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royiswariii-20241202024600-Royiswariii-20241202023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royiswariii-20241202024600-Royiswariii-20241202023100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202031400-Royiswariii-20241202024600"></span>Royiswariii</a>, there is nothing in the AfC review process that requires that a draft be fully developed or that the draft have section headings. BLP policy has nothing to do with acceptance of a draft about a band unless there are BLP policy violations. You haven't pointed out any. As for the basic history of band, it is there. We know the date of the founding and the name of the founder. We know the personnel on the first album and the personnel on the second album, as described in the Juno nomination. I think that you are asking for much more than is required at AfC. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202031400-Royiswariii-20241202024600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202031400-Royiswariii-20241202024600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202031400-Royiswariii-20241202024600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royiswariii-20241202084100-Cullen328-20241202031400"></span>We have a problem here now <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a>, JohnBrazeau appears violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G11">WP:G11</a> and he admitted to be have a connection to the band (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers#Apparent_sock" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">see here</a>), should we csd the draft as {{db-advert}} and report to block the user? <a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii">Royiswariii</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royiswariii" title="User talk:Royiswariii"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Royiswariii-20241202084100-Cullen328-20241202031400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royiswariii-20241202084100-Cullen328-20241202031400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royiswariii-20241202084100-Cullen328-20241202031400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202100300-Royiswariii-20241202084100"></span>Royiswariii</a>, one of the reasons that the AfC process was created in the first place was to allow editors with a conflict of interest to create drafts for review by uninvolved efitors. As a matter of fact, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">WP:Conflict of interest</a> policy explicitly says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly</q>. Are you aware of that? You seem quick to call for editors following policy to be blocked. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202100300-Royiswariii-20241202084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202100300-Royiswariii-20241202084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202100300-Royiswariii-20241202084100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helpful_Raccoon-20241202201300-Cullen328-20241202100300"></span>My concern was that the user appears to be the same as the already-blocked <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theredriverramblers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theredriverramblers (page does not exist)">User:Theredriverramblers</a>, or at least working together. Doesn't really matter now as the user has achieved their goal. <a href="/wiki/User:Helpful_Raccoon" title="User:Helpful Raccoon">Helpful Raccoon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Helpful_Raccoon" title="User talk:Helpful Raccoon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Helpful_Raccoon-20241202201300-Cullen328-20241202100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helpful_Raccoon-20241202201300-Cullen328-20241202100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helpful_Raccoon-20241202201300-Cullen328-20241202100300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_revdel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_revdel-20241202013000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_revdel-20241202013000"></span>Question about revdel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_revdel-20241202013000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202013000-Question_about_revdel"></span>Recently I came across some edits that deserve revdel. For obvious reasons I'm not linking them here. To give some info they would fall under RD2. I'm not sure where to report them, as I've already tried the Libra chat channel a few minutes ago (I got no response so I left after a bit), and I don't have an email connected to my account so I can't do that. What should I do? <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">Gaismagorm</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241202013000-Question_about_revdel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202013000-Question_about_revdel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaismagorm-20241202013000-Question_about_revdel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202015500-Gaismagorm-20241202013000"></span>Gaismagorm</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Revision_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Revision deletion">Wikipedia: Revision deletion</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">When contacting editors about sensitive material, email is preferred to talk page messages, to avoid exposing information to more readers.</q> I am an administrator. If you email me, I will look into the matter and act accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202015500-Gaismagorm-20241202013000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202015500-Gaismagorm-20241202013000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202015500-Gaismagorm-20241202013000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202020100-Cullen328-20241202015500"></span>alright I'll email you in a minute <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">Gaismagorm</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241202020100-Cullen328-20241202015500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202020100-Cullen328-20241202015500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaismagorm-20241202020100-Cullen328-20241202015500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202021500-Gaismagorm-20241202020100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> how would I go about finding your email? <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">Gaismagorm</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241202021500-Gaismagorm-20241202020100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202021500-Gaismagorm-20241202020100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaismagorm-20241202021500-Gaismagorm-20241202020100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202022100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"></span>It is important to note that I do not have an email associated with this account. Also I believe that I might have to do this tomorrow as it is getting late. <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">Gaismagorm</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241202022100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202022100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaismagorm-20241202022100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202023000-Gaismagorm-20241202022100"></span>Gaismagorm</a>, you will need to activate email to contact me that way. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202023000-Gaismagorm-20241202022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202023000-Gaismagorm-20241202022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202023000-Gaismagorm-20241202022100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202024400-Cullen328-20241202023000"></span>Oh, it might be a bit then. I'll see what I can do, but for now I can't do much. Like I said, I'll try to figure this out tomorrow. <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">Gaismagorm</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm"><span style="color: teal">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241202024400-Cullen328-20241202023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaismagorm-20241202024400-Cullen328-20241202023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaismagorm-20241202024400-Cullen328-20241202023000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202023100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"></span>Gaismagorm</a>, as I view <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">User talk:Cullen328</a>, I see a link, "Email this user". I'd click on this link. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202023100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202023100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202023100-Gaismagorm-20241202021500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023100"></span>Hoary</a>, my understanding is that email works only if <i>both</i> editors have email enabled. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202041000-Cullen328-20241202023500"></span>Good point, Cullen328. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202041000-Cullen328-20241202023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202041000-Cullen328-20241202023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202041000-Cullen328-20241202023500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted-20241202020100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted-20241202020100"></span>My Draft Appear to Have Been Deleted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted-20241202020100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starlighsky-20241202020100-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted"></span>I was preparing an improved version of the article that was deleted earlier. If my draft was in fact deleted, this is very humiliating, because the new version of the old article was going to be drastically improved: </p><p><a class="external text" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?create=Create+new+article+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&summary=--+Draft+creation+using+the+%5B%5BWP%3AArticle+wizard%5D%5D+--&title=Draft%3AWilliam+Lawrence+Hanson#/editor/all">Draft:William Lawrence Hanson - Wikipedia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starlighsky" title="User talk:Starlighsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Starlighsky-20241202020100-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starlighsky-20241202020100-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starlighsky-20241202020100-My_Draft_Appear_to_Have_Been_Deleted"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241202021100-Starlighsky-20241202020100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a>: Welcome to the Teahouse. You do not appear to have ever created a page at <a href="/wiki/Draft:William_Lawrence_Hanson" title="Draft:William Lawrence Hanson">Draft:William Lawrence Hanson</a>; there is no notice mentioning any previous deletions. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241202021100-Starlighsky-20241202020100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241202021100-Starlighsky-20241202020100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241202021100-Starlighsky-20241202020100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202022600-Starlighsky-20241202020100"></span>Starlighsky</a>, I see no evidence that, using this user ID, you have ever created any draft that was subsequently deleted. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202022600-Starlighsky-20241202020100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202022600-Starlighsky-20241202020100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202022600-Starlighsky-20241202020100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023000-Hoary-20241202022600"></span>Thanks everyone. I will start on it again, then. <a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starlighsky" title="User talk:Starlighsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Starlighsky-20241202023000-Hoary-20241202022600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023000-Hoary-20241202022600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starlighsky-20241202023000-Hoary-20241202022600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202023400-Starlighsky-20241202023000"></span>While you're creating, augmenting and improving it, <a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a>, be sure to click "Publish changes" every few minutes. ("Publish" here means "Save".) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202023400-Starlighsky-20241202023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202023400-Starlighsky-20241202023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202023400-Starlighsky-20241202023000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Closhund-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023400"></span>I believe they are referring to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dale_Wood_(William_Lawrence_Hansen)">[1]</a> which was never in draft space. <span style="font-family:monospace"><a href="/wiki/User:Closhund" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Closhund"><span style="color:#0035a5">closhund</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closhund" title="User talk:Closhund"><span style="color:#9b4f96">/talk/</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Closhund-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Closhund-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Closhund-20241202023500-Hoary-20241202023400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023700-Closhund-20241202023500"></span>That was what I was trying to rewrite in an improved version just now. I guess it was a glitch in the system. <a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starlighsky" title="User talk:Starlighsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Starlighsky-20241202023700-Closhund-20241202023500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023700-Closhund-20241202023500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starlighsky-20241202023700-Closhund-20241202023500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023800-Hoary-20241202023400"></span>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Starlighsky" title="User:Starlighsky">Starlighsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starlighsky" title="User talk:Starlighsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Starlighsky-20241202023800-Hoary-20241202023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starlighsky-20241202023800-Hoary-20241202023400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starlighsky-20241202023800-Hoary-20241202023400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_for_first_time_editors." data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_for_first_time_editors.-20241202045400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_for_first_time_editors.-20241202045400"></span>Help for first time editors.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_for_first_time_editors.-20241202045400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YoBigWill-20241202045400-Help_for_first_time_editors."></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Draft:George_Tokkos" title="Draft:George Tokkos">Draft:George Tokkos</a> </p><p>Hello! I am William. I am an avid sports fan and I would like to add wiki pages for lesser known athletes in big sport promotions. Could any of you help guide me with my first edit? I am not sure if and of you can just look at what I submitted and give me specific pointers in how to thoroughly and accurately compose a wiki page. Thank you for all of your time. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YoBigWill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YoBigWill (page does not exist)">YoBigWill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YoBigWill" title="User talk:YoBigWill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-YoBigWill-20241202045400-Help_for_first_time_editors." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YoBigWill-20241202045400-Help_for_first_time_editors."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YoBigWill-20241202045400-Help_for_first_time_editors."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241202051400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YoBigWill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YoBigWill (page does not exist)">YoBigWill</a>: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems a reviewer has already taken a look at your draft and declined it. Subjects need to be considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">wikinotable</a> to warrant an article on Wikipedia; that is determined by references. You did not provide any citations to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241202051400-YoBigWill-20241202045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241202051400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241202051400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karenthewriter-20241202055000-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span>Hello <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YoBigWill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YoBigWill (page does not exist)">YoBigWill</a>. If you haven’t already done so I would recommend reading <a href="/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article</a> and <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Help:Referencing for beginners</a>. You can’t just say someone was born on a certain date, got his nickname from a movie character, and earned a black belt, you need to cite reliable sources that state those facts. I know nothing about mixed maritial artists, and what makes someone notable in that field, but you should look for Wikipedia articles on other martial artists to see what was written in accepted articles. Are there martial arts organizations that have awarded Tokkos honors, are sports programs reporting on Tokkos’ achievements? If so, then you’ll need to find good sources stating that. The good news is that your draft articles hasn’t been rejected, which would mean there is no hope in getting your work approved. It has been declined, which means it may get approved if improvements are made. Best wishes on future work on your draft. <a href="/wiki/User:Karenthewriter" title="User:Karenthewriter">Karenthewriter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karenthewriter" title="User talk:Karenthewriter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Karenthewriter-20241202055000-YoBigWill-20241202045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karenthewriter-20241202055000-YoBigWill-20241202045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karenthewriter-20241202055000-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202134400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YoBigWill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YoBigWill (page does not exist)">YoBigWill</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Please understand that creating new articles is not the only, or necessarily the best, way to improve Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>In order to write an article about somebody or something, that somebody or something must meet Wikipedia's criteria for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, which are not the same as the everyday meaning of "notable": many people unfamiliar with Wikipedia find it hard to understand this. If they don't meet the criteria, then trying to create an article about them is a waste of everybody's time.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241202134400-YoBigWill-20241202045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202134400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202134400-YoBigWill-20241202045400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Review_my_first_sandbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review_my_first_sandbox-20241202051700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Review_my_first_sandbox-20241202051700"></span>Review my first sandbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Review_my_first_sandbox-20241202051700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rickypriv-20241202051700-Review_my_first_sandbox"></span>I just edited my first draft. Will an experienced editor review it and let me know if its good for submission. <a href="/wiki/Draft:Music_City_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps" title="Draft:Music City Drum and Bugle Corps">Draft:Music City Drum and Bugle Corps</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)">Rickypriv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rickypriv" title="User talk:Rickypriv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rickypriv-20241202051700-Review_my_first_sandbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rickypriv-20241202051700-Review_my_first_sandbox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rickypriv-20241202051700-Review_my_first_sandbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241202055700-Rickypriv-20241202051700"></span>Declined once, revised, resubmitted. A reviewer will provide reasons if declined aggain. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241202055700-Rickypriv-20241202051700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241202055700-Rickypriv-20241202051700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241202055700-Rickypriv-20241202051700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look_at_the_new_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look-20241202070200"><span id="My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_.2C_could_some_one_look_at_the_new_references"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look-20241202070200"></span>My earlier draft was declined due to verifiable references , could some one look at the new references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look-20241202070200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sare56-20241202070200-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look"></span>Draft:Fort Jadhavgadh - Wikipedia </p><p>I request the editors to look at the intext citations and references in the draft . David notMD , you may as you have seen this earlier. </p><p>Thank you Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Sare56" title="User:Sare56">Sare56</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sare56" title="User talk:Sare56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sare56-20241202070200-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sare56-20241202070200-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sare56-20241202070200-My_earlier_draft_was_declined_due_to_verifiable_references_,_could_some_one_look"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202073700-Sare56-20241202070200"></span>I examined just one sample, <a href="/wiki/User:Sare56" title="User:Sare56">Sare56</a>, and have posted a comment on <a href="/wiki/Draft:Fort_Jadhavgadh" title="Draft:Fort Jadhavgadh">Draft:Fort Jadhavgadh</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202073700-Sare56-20241202070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202073700-Sare56-20241202070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202073700-Sare56-20241202070200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sare56-20241202100300-Hoary-20241202073700"></span>Thank you, I will do the needful Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Sare56" title="User:Sare56">Sare56</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sare56" title="User talk:Sare56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sare56-20241202100300-Hoary-20241202073700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sare56-20241202100300-Hoary-20241202073700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sare56-20241202100300-Hoary-20241202073700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241202130700-Sare56-20241202100300"></span>The majority of the draft and refs are not about the history of the fort, but rather to promote its restoration and staffing as a "luxury retreat" (hotel?). All that needs to be removed. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241202130700-Sare56-20241202100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241202130700-Sare56-20241202100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241202130700-Sare56-20241202100300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials_on_(or_off)_Wikipedia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials-20241202100600"><span id="Is_there_a_resource_request.2Fshare_board_for_digital.2Fphysical_archival_materials_on_.28or_off.29_Wikipedia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials-20241202100600"></span>Is there a resource request/share board for digital/physical archival materials on (or off) Wikipedia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials-20241202100600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hym3242-20241202100600-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WRE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WRE">resource exchange</a> seems to be more for books, journals and various library resources, the <a href="/wiki/H:AR" class="mw-redirect" title="H:AR">Help:Archival Material</a> is for searching archival materials in established institutions, but many (little-known, obscure) archival materials are currently only accessible via private collections (online or offline), in Wayback Machine that is no longer locatable by google, or is on Internet Archive but is difficult to find if you don't know exactly what you are looking for (and the exact keywords). An resource exchange board, where we can request either by exact name and producer or topic, and post what materials we have or are familiar with, should be very helpful. An archive resource guide (like a research guide, libguide, or bibliography) for each wikiproject should also be welcome. I came up with this question attepting to fix dead links (video no longer available) to historical but high-quality shows on <a href="/wiki/PBS" title="PBS">PBS</a>. I am the type that you may call paranoid, and I always save a local copy of anything good I find on the Internet. It's indeed possible that someone else has archived it, but we are simply unable to find each other because the absence of such place. <a href="/wiki/User:Hym3242" title="User:Hym3242">Hym3242</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hym3242" title="User talk:Hym3242">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hym3242-20241202100600-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hym3242-20241202100600-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hym3242-20241202100600-Is_there_a_resource_request/share_board_for_digital/physical_archival_materials"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400-Hym3242-20241202100600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hym3242" title="User:Hym3242">Hym3242</a> Have you considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWL">The Wikipedia Library</a>? This gives access to many archival sources and I think you would be eligible to join. Note that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RX">resource request project</a> does accept open-ended questions. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400-Hym3242-20241202100600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400-Hym3242-20241202100600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400-Hym3242-20241202100600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hym3242-20241202122800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400"></span>I already have TWL access and have checked it with no success. Some institutions are notoriously bad for keeping their own records, we often must rely on wayback machine or fan sites / private collections. I often come across references containing links to random websites on the internet that holds some obscure material extremely hard to find elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Hym3242" title="User:Hym3242">Hym3242</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hym3242" title="User talk:Hym3242">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hym3242-20241202122800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hym3242-20241202122800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hym3242-20241202122800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202122400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist-20241202104100"><span id="How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn.27t_exist"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist-20241202104100"></span>How can I write about something that doesn't exist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist-20241202104100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bellosan-20241202104100-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist"></span>I want to write an article about a type of system that doesn't exist yet, but it is inspired the fifth Generation Computer Systems (FGCS) project. Am I allowed? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bellosan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bellosan (page does not exist)">Bellosan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bellosan" title="User talk:Bellosan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Bellosan-20241202104100-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bellosan-20241202104100-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bellosan-20241202104100-How_can_I_write_about_something_that_doesn't_exist"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bellosan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bellosan (page does not exist)">Bellosan</a> Wikipedia articles should only be about topics that <s><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MADEUP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MADEUP">exist</a> and</s> are covered by multiple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>, so the answer would be no. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202104700-CanonNi-20241202104500"></span>I don't think that a subject has to exist for it to merit an article- as long as independent sources give it significant coverage. There are all sorts of articles about subjects that haven't happened yet(<a href="/wiki/2028_Summer_Olympics" title="2028 Summer Olympics">2028 Summer Olympics</a>) or that are just concepts(I don't have an example handy). <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202104700-CanonNi-20241202104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202104700-CanonNi-20241202104500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202104700-CanonNi-20241202104500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241202105200-331dot-20241202104700"></span>Yeah, my bad. I've struck part of my response. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241202105200-331dot-20241202104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241202105200-331dot-20241202104700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241202105200-331dot-20241202104700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202124000-CanonNi-20241202105200"></span>No problem. It's certainly an understandable position- and if things don't exist and don't have sources, yep, no article. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202124000-CanonNi-20241202105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202124000-CanonNi-20241202105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202124000-CanonNi-20241202105200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Vactrain" title="Vactrain"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241202200600-331dot-20241202124000"></span>Vactrain</a>, <a href="/wiki/X-Seed_4000" title="X-Seed 4000">X-Seed 4000</a> city? We also have a whole bunch of articles on <a href="/wiki/Category:Hypothetical_particles" title="Category:Hypothetical particles">Hypothetical particles</a>. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241202200600-331dot-20241202124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241202200600-331dot-20241202124000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241202200600-331dot-20241202124000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span>Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">notability</a>. If you have such sources that you can summarize in an article, an article about this subject can be on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202104500-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241202104600-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bellosan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bellosan (page does not exist)">Bellosan</a> If there are references in reliable sources giving this thing significant independent coverage, then you may. If not, then not. This is a slight variance from the <a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">CanonNi</a>'s answer, but c=does not disagree with it 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Timtrent-20241202104600-Bellosan-20241202104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241202104600-Bellosan-20241202104100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241202104600-Bellosan-20241202104100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202121700-Timtrent-20241202104600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bellosan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bellosan (page does not exist)">Bellosan</a> You may like to develop your Wikipedia skills by improving our existing article on the <a href="/wiki/Fifth_Generation_Computer_Systems" title="Fifth Generation Computer Systems">Fifth Generation Computer Systems</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202121700-Timtrent-20241202104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202121700-Timtrent-20241202104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202121700-Timtrent-20241202104600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida-20241202110800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida-20241202110800"></span>How do i create a article in Wikipeida<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida-20241202110800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida"></span>Is there anyway to create a article in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kdkddtkgk" title="User:Kdkddtkgk">Kdkddtkgk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kdkddtkgk" title="User talk:Kdkddtkgk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800-How_do_i_create_a_article_in_Wikipeida"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202111200-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span>Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. You are getting some experience under your belt first by editing existing articles, which is a good thing- but we usually suggest that you spend much time doing this before attempting to create a new article. However, if you wish to attempt to do so now, you may use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIZARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIZARD">Article Wizard</a> to create and submit a draft. You will first want to gather independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that give the subject you wish to write about significant coverage and ensure that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable as Wikipedia uses the word</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202111200-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202111200-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202111200-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kdkddtkgk" title="User:Kdkddtkgk"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241202124700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span>Kdkddtkgk</a>, I have moved the article "Typhoon Violet (1996)" to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Typhoon_Violet_(1996)" title="Draft:Typhoon Violet (1996)">Draft:Typhoon Violet (1996)</a>. Please work to improve the draft before attempting any other new article. When the draft is tolerably good, it can of course be moved back to "Typhoon Violet (1996)". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241202124700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241202124700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241202124700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ca-20241202125400-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span>See the help page <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_First_Article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your First Article">WP:Your First Article</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ca" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ca" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a></sup></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ca-20241202125400-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ca-20241202125400-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ca-20241202125400-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202134700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kdkddtkgk" title="User:Kdkddtkgk">Kdkddtkgk</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241202134700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202134700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202134700-Kdkddtkgk-20241202110800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Which_is_more_useful?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Which_is_more_useful?-20241202125500"><span id="Which_is_more_useful.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Which_is_more_useful?-20241202125500"></span>Which is more useful?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Which_is_more_useful?-20241202125500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500-Which_is_more_useful?"></span>Is copyediting or updating information more useful? It seems pretty obvious that updating information and adding sources would be better, but fixing grammar and rephrasing sentences can do wonders for an article's readability. I've done a bit of both and I like doing both jobs, but I want to do the one that has a bigger impact. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar with me!!!</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500-Which_is_more_useful?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500-Which_is_more_useful?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500-Which_is_more_useful?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241202130000-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"></span>Why do just one when you can do both, @<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">User:ApteryxRainWing</a>? You can update information and add sourcing while you copyedit, or copyedit before improving the article. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241202130000-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241202130000-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241202130000-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TypoEater-20241202172600-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"></span>Both are useful. I'd suggest contributing any way you can if you notice a problem with an article. That's how I started out! <a href="/wiki/User:TypoEater" title="User:TypoEater">TypoEater</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TypoEater" title="User talk:TypoEater">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TypoEater-20241202172600-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TypoEater-20241202172600-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TypoEater-20241202172600-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241202125500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?-20241202131000"><span id="Blocked.2C_why.2C_and_why_can.27t_I_even_do_what_is_advised.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?-20241202131000"></span>Blocked, why, and why can't I even do what is advised?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?-20241202131000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202131000-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span>Hello, I am fairy new to Wikipedia, especially the English one. I hope this is the right place to ask, and please excuse my English, I am from Austria. About a week ago, I added some information to the article "Diakopto–Kalavryta_railway" (section "Reception"), see Special:Contributions/47.69.167.104. But when I now try to do anything, I get a message that my IP is blocked, which is also on "User talk:47.69.167.104" that is linked there. </p> <ol><li>1, I wonder why, I guess I have not done anything wrong, but if please tell me what.</li> <li>2, I get a link to a talk page User talk:47.69.167.104 for "User 47.69.0.0/16" with a "AGF reminder" that I don't understand what that is about. And, there is mentioning "If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: unblock|reason=Your reason here". I would have done that, but the same result: I am not allowed to do that. Where is the sense to that?</li> <li>3, when I looks there a few days ago, it was said the block was for 2 weeks, ok, I can wait. But now, it says for several months!</li></ol> <p>I hope someone can explain to me what happend and why, and can have a closer look into that. Thank you. [I send this from a friends computer, because of the block that does not allow me to do anything, not even aske here) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108" title="Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108">80.187.72.108</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.187.72.108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.187.72.108 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-80.187.72.108-20241202131000-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202131000-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.187.72.108-20241202131000-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:47.69.167.104&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:47.69.167.104 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202133000-80.187.72.108-20241202131000"></span>User talk:47.69.167.104</a> is within a range block, blocked to prevent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EVADE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EVADE">block evasion</a>. There shouldn't be anything preventing you from posting to the user talk page, the block allows this(though it's possible another block could be affecting you). If you are not evading a block, I suggest that you request an account via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACC">WP:ACC</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202133000-80.187.72.108-20241202131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202133000-80.187.72.108-20241202131000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202133000-80.187.72.108-20241202131000"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202134500-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span>Thank you, but no, when I try to add anything to the talk page, I too get the message "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: ..." I tried with "edit", with "reply", with "add a new topic", all the same. User page (has a red link) is closed for me as well. I even tries to contact the person who did the block, but again I am not allowed. I could do that now from my friend's computer, but do not dare because I fear that his IP will be blocked then, too. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108" title="Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108">80.187.72.108</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.187.72.108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.187.72.108 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-80.187.72.108-20241202134500-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202134500-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.187.72.108-20241202134500-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202135300-80.187.72.108-20241202134500"></span>A block would not allow you to edit other user talk pages, only your own, unless access to it was withdrawn, but that's not the case from what I see. As I said, it's possible another block could be affecting you, though I'm not sure how to find out. I suggest you use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UTRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UTRS">WP:UTRS</a> to request unblock. I am wondering why you wish to edit the English Wikipedia as you say you're Austrian, why not the German Wikipedia? (It's fine, just curious) <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202135300-80.187.72.108-20241202134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202135300-80.187.72.108-20241202134500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202135300-80.187.72.108-20241202134500"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202143800-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span>My friend thinks this might come because this is a dynamic IP, so I can not edit the talk page for 47.69.0.0/16 (or any of the previous IPs I got), because that will not be the exact same IP. But I also can not edit "my" current talk page as long as I am connected with my own device. I could try those other options if I have the time, but not convinced it is worth the effort. Seem complicated. About your other question, there are several issues with the German wikipedia. First, I added something about a book and film that has no article in the German version. Then, everything you add to the German wikipedia needs to be screened by some elder editor, which usually takes weeks or even happens never. An account does not really help, as that will be activated for free editing only after a long time and many many edits. In my occasional use of wikipedia that just makes no sense. Apart from all that the German wikipedia is in many articles totally outdated (mabe due to lack of editors for the same reasons), so adding just a little bits will not improve when the whole article needs a complete update. When I want to read about a topic I usually went to the German wikipedia first but got so annoyed by its contents that I switched to the English one in most cases, and nowadays I go here directly. I feel that the German version is going down. In the end, I got convinced that in times of easy and better and better automatic translation we only need one world encyclopedia which is hard enough to keep up to date, not one for every language, not even German. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108" title="Special:Contributions/80.187.72.108">80.187.72.108</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.187.72.108&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.187.72.108 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-80.187.72.108-20241202143800-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.187.72.108-20241202143800-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.187.72.108-20241202143800-Blocked,_why,_and_why_can't_I_even_do_what_is_advised?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuicoleJR-20241202164400-80.187.72.108-20241202143800"></span>Getting an account could fix these problems. If you are not currently able to create one, you can request one at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACC">WP:ACC</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuicoleJR-20241202164400-80.187.72.108-20241202143800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuicoleJR-20241202164400-80.187.72.108-20241202143800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuicoleJR-20241202164400-80.187.72.108-20241202143800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft-20241202150600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft-20241202150600"></span>Infobox tutorial needed for draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft-20241202150600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241202150600-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft"></span>I would like a tutorial for making a custom infobox for my draft which covers the subject of a transportation hub/center. Can someone help me make my own infobox or a template that fits this subject? <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusMapper-20241202150600-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusMapper-20241202150600-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusMapper-20241202150600-Infobox_tutorial_needed_for_draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202150800-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span>Hello. You could just copy and paste one from an existing article. That said, infoboxes are not required for a draft to pass the submission process. They're considered an enhancement. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202150800-BusMapper-20241202150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202150800-BusMapper-20241202150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202150800-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> The standard template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_station" title="Template:Infobox station">Infobox station</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> should work perfectly well for your draft. The problem is that your draft currently has no cited sources from which readers can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verify</a> what is said and demonstrate that this particular hub is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">wikinotable</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900-BusMapper-20241202150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900-BusMapper-20241202150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241202161700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900"></span>I'm still struggling as I'm not finding how to use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_station" title="Template:Infobox station">Infobox station</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> as none will show up. It just shows as coding in the article instead of an infobox on the top right. Please someone experienced could help me with this. For this informative article I desperately need an infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusMapper-20241202161700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusMapper-20241202161700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusMapper-20241202161700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700-BusMapper-20241202161700"></span>Hi, are you using the VisualEditor or Source Editor? Source editing can be quite challenging. I can try to assist you by adding one, but I will only be able to do this in my free time.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Edit: please provide a link to the draft. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700-BusMapper-20241202161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700-BusMapper-20241202161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700-BusMapper-20241202161700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Draft:James_F._Conahan_Intermodal_Transportation_Center" title="Draft:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241202165900-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700"></span>Draft:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusMapper-20241202165900-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusMapper-20241202165900-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusMapper-20241202165900-Cooldudeseven7-20241202162700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202165500-BusMapper-20241202161700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a>, please don't spend time worrying about an infobox when other editors are telling you that the article lacks sources. This is like worrying about installing beautiful windows on your house when other people are telling you that the foundations are inadequate and the house might fall down. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241202165500-BusMapper-20241202161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202165500-BusMapper-20241202161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202165500-BusMapper-20241202161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241202170900-ColinFine-20241202165500"></span>I'm trying to make an informative article. I need an infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusMapper-20241202170900-ColinFine-20241202165500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusMapper-20241202170900-ColinFine-20241202165500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusMapper-20241202170900-ColinFine-20241202165500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500-BusMapper-20241202170900"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a>, hope you are well!</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> explained this in his previous message, but is always best to listen to what editors are trying to tell you! It is best to first focus on fixing the most important parts of articles before worrying about small visual changes! If you have any more questions please let me know and I will try my best to answer them! <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">L.E. Rainer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500-BusMapper-20241202170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500-BusMapper-20241202170900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500-BusMapper-20241202170900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusMapper-20241202171700-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500"></span>ty <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusMapper" title="User talk:BusMapper">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusMapper-20241202171700-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusMapper-20241202171700-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusMapper-20241202171700-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202171500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202173700-BusMapper-20241202170900"></span>Hi! Infoboxes should generally be the last step as you need references for your thing to be accepted into Wikipedia! <br/><span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Teahouse%22">Google</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Teahouse%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Teahouse%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org">free images</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Teahouse%22">WP refs</a>) <b>·</b> <span title="Free English newspaper sources" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_English_newspaper_sources">FENS</a></span> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Teahouse%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <span title="The Wikipedia Library" style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/search/?q=%22Teahouse%22">TWL</a></span></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202173700-BusMapper-20241202170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202173700-BusMapper-20241202170900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202173700-BusMapper-20241202170900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a>:</span> While others are correct to say you must add sources before the article is published, there is nothing to say you cannot add an infobox before you do so, and I cannot understand why no-one has answered your question. I've put an infobox in your draft, and started to populate it. As you can see, there is an error message, because coordinates are needed. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500-BusMapper-20241202150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500-BusMapper-20241202150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500-BusMapper-20241202150600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202190500-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500"></span>I didn't attempt to answer the question because if in fact @<a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> cannot find the sources required to establish that the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a>, then <i>all</i> their work on an infobox will be wasted. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241202190500-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202190500-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202190500-Pigsonthewing-20241202184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100-ColinFine-20241202190500"></span>And BusMapper will still have learned how to add an infobox, ready for the next time they want to do so. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100-ColinFine-20241202190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100-ColinFine-20241202190500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100-ColinFine-20241202190500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202201500-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100"></span>I'm under the assumption that we are all trying to communicate the same thing. No need to argue or spend any more time on this subject. If <a href="/wiki/User:BusMapper" title="User:BusMapper">BusMapper</a> has any more questions regarding this topic I am sure he will ask! Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">L.E. Rainer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202201500-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202201500-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241202201500-Pigsonthewing-20241202194100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Version_Control_System" data-mw-thread-id="h-Version_Control_System-20241202153300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Version_Control_System-20241202153300"></span>Version Control System<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Version_Control_System-20241202153300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-134.215.238.86-20241202153300-Version_Control_System"></span>Why use resources to prevent vandalism when employing an open source like version control system for your edits could do so with less overhead? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/134.215.238.86" title="Special:Contributions/134.215.238.86">134.215.238.86</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:134.215.238.86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:134.215.238.86 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-134.215.238.86-20241202153300-Version_Control_System" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-134.215.238.86-20241202153300-Version_Control_System"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-134.215.238.86-20241202153300-Version_Control_System"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241202153900-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span>This sort of suggestion is best suited for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VP">Village Pump</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241202153900-134.215.238.86-20241202153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241202153900-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241202153900-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154000-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span>According to our <a href="/wiki/Version_control" title="Version control">version control</a> article, <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">Wikipedia's page history</a> is a form of version control. The problem in dealing with vandalism is that some edits look like vandalism but may have been made in good faith and it often requires other human editors to tell the difference. There are bots which revert many types of obvious vandalism. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154000-134.215.238.86-20241202153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154000-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241202154000-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161300-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span>Resources (like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">Twinkle</a>) allow alerting users, speedy moderation and classification as well. As Michael D. Turnbull said, Wikipedia still kind of uses a version control system. This also allows bots to detect obvious vandalism <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161300-134.215.238.86-20241202153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161300-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241202161300-134.215.238.86-20241202153300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Civil_Rights_Memorial" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civil_Rights_Memorial-20241202175300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civil_Rights_Memorial-20241202175300"></span>Civil Rights Memorial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civil_Rights_Memorial-20241202175300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Civil_Rights_Memorial" title="Civil Rights Memorial"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buravirgil-20241202175300-Civil_Rights_Memorial"></span>Civil Rights Memorial</a> </p><p>The article states 41 "martyrs", but only 40 names are listed because Emmett Till's name is missing. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Buravirgil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Buravirgil (page does not exist)">Buravirgil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buravirgil" title="User talk:Buravirgil">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Buravirgil-20241202175300-Civil_Rights_Memorial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buravirgil-20241202175300-Civil_Rights_Memorial"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buravirgil-20241202175300-Civil_Rights_Memorial"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matrix-20241202180200-Buravirgil-20241202175300"></span>Feel free to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">add it yourself</a> —<b><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!)</b> <sub>ping one</sub><sup>when replying</sup> {<i><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>c</a></i>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Matrix-20241202180200-Buravirgil-20241202175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matrix-20241202180200-Buravirgil-20241202175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matrix-20241202180200-Buravirgil-20241202175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buravirgil-20241202180800-Matrix-20241202180200"></span>Thank you, Matrix, but I've only joined Wikipedia today and am still learning its procedures. I felt the topic and error were sufficiently prominent to report, but did not (still do not) know if Teahouse is the appropriate forum. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Buravirgil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Buravirgil (page does not exist)">Buravirgil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buravirgil" title="User talk:Buravirgil">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Buravirgil-20241202180800-Matrix-20241202180200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buravirgil-20241202180800-Matrix-20241202180200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buravirgil-20241202180800-Matrix-20241202180200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matrix-20241202182700-Buravirgil-20241202180800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Buravirgil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Buravirgil (page does not exist)">Buravirgil</a>:</span> Seems like an IP removed it in September for no reason and no one caught the error - I've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Civil_Rights_Memorial&diff=1260802801&oldid=1245544070">fixed</a> it. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!)</b> <sub>ping one</sub><sup>when replying</sup> {<i><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>c</a></i>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Matrix-20241202182700-Buravirgil-20241202180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matrix-20241202182700-Buravirgil-20241202180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matrix-20241202182700-Buravirgil-20241202180800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive-20241202184500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive-20241202184500"></span>Editing a specific entry with outdated links to Web Archive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive-20241202184500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive"></span>I used the Talk section of this page (<a href="/wiki/Property_management" title="Property management">Property management</a>) to ask my question, but I have not had a response, so I am posting it here. I am an employee of one of one of the firms listed in the entry, and I have some concerns. </p><p>"I would like to update the section of this article relating to the National Association of Residential Property Managers to reflect current info, but I am not sure of the protocol. Specifically: 1. The designations listed in that section have been changed. I don't think anyone would mind me adding current info there, but it is tied to the second problem: 2. The internet archive pages linked carry very outdated information. A current website exists with current information that is updated regularly. A snapshot of the page from years ago is hardly as useful as the current information is, right? Why can't we use the actual page? May I please have some guidance on this? Thanks, Barbra" <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SawdustForBrains&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SawdustForBrains (page does not exist)">SawdustForBrains</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SawdustForBrains" title="User talk:SawdustForBrains">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500-Editing_a_specific_entry_with_outdated_links_to_Web_Archive"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241202191600-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SawdustForBrains&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SawdustForBrains (page does not exist)">SawdustForBrains</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse.</dd> <dd>First, as you are an employee of the firm, it is <i>mandatory</i> for you to make a formal declaration of your status as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Paid editor">paid editor</a>.</dd> <dd>Secondly, no, you should not edit the article directly - thank you for holding back from doing so. What you should do instead is make an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_request" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Edit request">edit request</a> on the talk page - one of the advantages of using the edit request mechanism is that it will add your request to a list of waiting requests, so it does not depend on somebody watching that particular talk page.</dd> <dd>Thirdly, the citation is to an archived copy because the original webpage is no longer available at that address, and nobody has been in and updated it to wherever it is to be found now.</dd> <dd>Having said all that, in my opinion. the entire "Professional Designations" section should be removed from the article, because much of it is unsourced, and what is sourced (like the section for your organisation) is sourced only to its own website. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources" title="Wikipedia:Independent sources">independent sources</a> say about a subject, not what organisations say about themselves.</dd> <dd>Later on I shall either tag the article, or put a comment on the talk page, or both. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241202191600-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241202191600-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241202191600-SawdustForBrains-20241202184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202201500-ColinFine-20241202191600"></span>So, who is able to edit that page, if not me? Why am I not able to edit it? I couldn't even get a question answered in a month, so I haven't got much faith in submitting a request to edit the page.</dd> <dd>As far as professional designations goes, ours should be deleted because others have not sourced their own designations pages? That seems wrong. NARPM only issues the designations for NARPM, IREM issues the designations for IREM, and so on. They can only be sourced to the people who issue them. I didn't check the page for ISO certification, but most likely that would link to the ISO website, correct? It's the same situation here. Why is the company's own website not sufficient? We aren't discussing opinions here, this is factual info and linking straight to the source seems better.</dd> <dd>If I am reading this correctly:</dd> <dd>1. I cannot update my own company info, someone else must do it, and we have no idea who might tackle that or when.</dd> <dd>2. Since I brought up trying to update the page, we are now going to be deleting a large section - and the only section that deals with my company - entirely? Well, I guess we won't have to worry about the first question, will we.</dd> <dd>Have I got all that correct? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SawdustForBrains&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SawdustForBrains (page does not exist)">SawdustForBrains</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SawdustForBrains" title="User talk:SawdustForBrains">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-SawdustForBrains-20241202201500-ColinFine-20241202191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202201500-ColinFine-20241202191600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SawdustForBrains-20241202201500-ColinFine-20241202191600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again..." data-mw-thread-id="h-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again...-20241202185000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again...-20241202185000"></span>My need for the Teahouse strikes again...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again...-20241202185000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241202185000-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again..."></span>Hello.....again Teahouse! </p><p>I'm an passionate editor for amusement park and roller coaster related articles. I somewhat recently discovered an older <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Amusement_Parks/Collaboration/Operation_B%26M" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Collaboration/Operation B&M">Project</a> that I wanted to help complete. The problem is, all of the editors working on it have either been inactive on Wikipedia for years or semi-retired and no longer edit. The list and project itself hasn't been updated in what looks like forever, and it's a project I want to rescue and finish. The only other place I considered trying for help was Wikiproject:amusementparks but it's been very inactive for years and seems to be mostly abandoned as well. In fact, whenever I have article inquires regarding anything park/coaster related, I'm often left without answers. So: </p> <ol><li>Where can I go to get help rescuing this project to update and finish it?</li> <li>Where can I go to get help with any amusement park/roller coaster topics? I don't want to have to rely on the Teahouse for all of this. (All the feedback I've gotten here is fantastic but I know this isn't the place for stuff like that)</li></ol> <p>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241202185000-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241202185000-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241202185000-My_need_for_the_Teahouse_strikes_again..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Significant_coverage_definition?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Significant_coverage_definition?-20241202191700"><span id="Significant_coverage_definition.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Significant_coverage_definition?-20241202191700"></span>Significant coverage definition?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Significant_coverage_definition?-20241202191700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JuniperChill-20241202191700-Significant_coverage_definition?"></span>Does <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/games-like-stardew-valley-the-best-farming-games-on-pc">this article from Rock Paper Shotgun</a> count towards the significant coverage (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a>) definition for each game listed there for the purposes of notability? Cause the definition of SIGCOV stated that it doesn't have to be the main topic, especially since that page lists over 10 games. 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