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</p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/data" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat-20241104034400"><span id="Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color.2Fdata"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat-20241104034400"></span>Wiki-Code Formatting Adjustments using color data from <a href="/wiki/Module:Gridiron_color/data" title="Module:Gridiron color/data">Module:Gridiron color/data</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat-20241104034400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Wiki-Code Formatting Adjustments using color data from Module:Gridiron color/data"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat"></span>Is there a way to change the wiki-code formatting for <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_alt_primary_style" title="Template:Gridiron alt primary style">Template:Gridiron alt primary style</a> so that the border color in that specific template uses <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_tertiary_color_raw" title="Template:Gridiron tertiary color raw">Template:Gridiron tertiary color raw</a> instead of <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_primary_color_raw" title="Template:Gridiron primary color raw">Template:Gridiron primary color raw</a>? I'd change it myself, but I'm not technically proficient enough to implement this change by myself. Would anyone be opposed to changing the wiki-code formatting here? If not, would someone who knows how please help me implement this change? Also, how would I change the wiki-code formatting for the rowcells in <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NFL_team" title="Template:Infobox NFL team">Template:Infobox NFL team</a> back to where they were at a normal size? <a href="/wiki/User:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User:Charlesaaronthompson">Charlesaaronthompson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User talk:Charlesaaronthompson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400-Wiki-Code_Formatting_Adjustments_using_color_data_from_Module:Gridiron_color/dat"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241104165400-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400"></span>Unless I'm misunderstanding, the whole point of using the alt style is to use the secondary color as the filler and the primary color as the border (which makes it an inverse of the primary style). And the NFL team infobox is now using <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|rowstyle=</code> instead of <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|headerstyle=</code> to provide alternating styles, which seems to not work in exactly the same way. Personally I don't think we need every header to be the same size as the title header anyway as it just takes up additional space for no reason, but if others disagree then I can take another look at it. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241104165400-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241104165400-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241104165400-Charlesaaronthompson-20241104034400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600-Dissident93-20241104165400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93">Dissident93</a>:</span> I mean, the only reason why I'm even proposing a wiki-code formatting change for <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_alt_primary_style" title="Template:Gridiron alt primary style">Template:Gridiron alt primary style</a> is because if you look at the wiki-code formatting for the <a href="/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens" title="Baltimore Ravens">Baltimore Ravens</a> at <a href="/wiki/Module:Gridiron_color/data" title="Module:Gridiron color/data">Module:Gridiron color/data</a>, the Ravens use <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r981673959">.mw-parser-output .legend{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .legend-color{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid black;background-color:transparent;color:black}.mw-parser-output .legend-text{}</style><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:#9A7611; color:black;color:black;"> gold </span> as their tertiary team color (i.e., border color), but then that color can't be used in <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_alt_primary_style" title="Template:Gridiron alt primary style">Template:Gridiron alt primary style</a>. I'm just using the Ravens as an example, but my point is that the same tertiary border color should be used for both <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_primary_style" title="Template:Gridiron primary style">Template:Gridiron primary style</a> & <a href="/wiki/Template:Gridiron_alt_primary_style" title="Template:Gridiron alt primary style">Template:Gridiron alt primary style</a> for all teams that have a different tertiary color for the borders. <a href="/wiki/User:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User:Charlesaaronthompson">Charlesaaronthompson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User talk:Charlesaaronthompson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600-Dissident93-20241104165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600-Dissident93-20241104165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600-Dissident93-20241104165400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241106144800-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600"></span>Would implementing your proposed change affect other teams and if so, would the module data have to be fixed for to account for it? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241106144800-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241106144800-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241106144800-Charlesaaronthompson-20241106042600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241120222300-Dissident93-20241106144800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93">Dissident93</a>:</span> Yes, implementing my proposed change would affect the following <a href="/wiki/National_Football_League" title="National Football League">NFL</a> teams: the <a href="/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens" title="Baltimore Ravens">Baltimore Ravens</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals" title="Arizona Cardinals">Arizona Cardinals</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts" title="Indianapolis Colts">Indianapolis Colts</a> & the <a href="/wiki/New_York_Jets" title="New York Jets">New York Jets</a>. It would also affect the following <a href="/wiki/Canadian_Football_League" title="Canadian Football League">CFL</a> teams: the <a href="/wiki/Calgary_Stampeders" title="Calgary Stampeders">Calgary Stampeders</a> & the <a href="/wiki/Saskatchewan_Roughriders" title="Saskatchewan Roughriders">Saskatchewan Roughriders</a>. All I would like to see is the same tertiary border color for these teams that's used in the |titlestyle= be used in the |basestyle=. <a href="/wiki/User:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User:Charlesaaronthompson">Charlesaaronthompson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlesaaronthompson" title="User talk:Charlesaaronthompson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241120222300-Dissident93-20241106144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241120222300-Dissident93-20241106144800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlesaaronthompson-20241120222300-Dissident93-20241106144800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AP_awards" data-mw-thread-id="h-AP_awards-20241106184500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AP_awards-20241106184500"></span>AP awards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AP_awards-20241106184500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: AP awards"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241106184500-AP_awards"></span>This was discussed in the past but I believe there wasn't actually any consensus arrived from it, but the AP awards given out at the <a href="/wiki/NFL_Honors" title="NFL Honors">NFL Honors</a> are considered the main award by the league and media (and have for years), and thus the articles should have their titles changed to reflect that. For example, <a href="/wiki/Associated_Press_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award">Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> should be re-titled to simply <a href="/wiki/NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="NFL Most Valuable Player Award">NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> as the only other notable MVP award even given out anymore is the <a href="/wiki/PFWA_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" title="PFWA NFL Most Valuable Player Award">PFWA NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a>, which hasn't deviated from the AP's for the last 20 years anyway. We could include the historic MVP award table from the current <a href="/wiki/NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="NFL Most Valuable Player Award">NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> article in a section under the retitled AP page. This would apply to all the AP awards given out at the NFL honors. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241106184500-AP_awards" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241106184500-AP_awards"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241106184500-AP_awards"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span>I have mixed feelings on this. The AP awards have been the 'de facto' awards for a good while now, essentially endorsed by the NFL given that they're the version of the award given out at the <a href="/wiki/NFL_Honors" title="NFL Honors">NFL Honors</a>. I certainly wouldn't oppose it. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800-Dissident93-20241106184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800-Dissident93-20241106184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241106192400-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800"></span>What's your counterargument for posterity? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241106192400-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241106192400-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241106192400-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106191800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600-Dissident93-20241106192400"></span>Honestly just the ambiguity of the title. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600-Dissident93-20241106192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600-Dissident93-20241106192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600-Dissident93-20241106192400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="NFL Most Valuable Player Award"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600"></span>NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> is an existing article that summarizes all the different MVP awards. What would you rename this? I'm not sure I would support in an RM. I would be supportive of all the "Associated Press"es in the titles be changed to "AP" tho.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"></span>Would likely have to be for all the titles at <a href="/wiki/Category:Associated_Press_awards" title="Category:Associated Press awards">Category:Associated Press awards</a> if we're going to shortform it, which I would actually support. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241106192900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241106202200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"></span>Per my original post, <a href="/wiki/Associated_Press_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award">Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> would be moved/merged with <a href="/wiki/NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="NFL Most Valuable Player Award">NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a>, with the table there listing all the historic MVP awards be moved to a subsection under the newly renamed page. The only content that page even has <i>is</i> the table, so no information is being lost or overwritten. All other existing award pages such as <a href="/wiki/PFWA_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" title="PFWA NFL Most Valuable Player Award">PFWA NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> would remain as is. I'm only interested in stripping AP from the page title and not the article for the sake of simplicity; the <a href="/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" title="Major League Baseball Most Valuable Player Award">Major League Baseball Most Valuable Player Award</a> is awarded by the <a href="/wiki/Baseball_Writers%27_Association_of_America" title="Baseball Writers' Association of America">Baseball Writers' Association of America</a> but isn't reflected in the page name. I can make a sandbox version of what it would look like if needed.</dd> <dd>The only hesitation I have is how we would handle the pre-AP awards from before 1957. Would the <a href="/wiki/Joe_F._Carr_Trophy" title="Joe F. Carr Trophy">Joe F. Carr Trophy</a> and <a href="/wiki/United_Press_International_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" title="United Press International NFL Most Valuable Player Award">United Press International NFL Most Valuable Player Awards</a> be included as a <i>mostly</i> linear path from 1938–1956 or would it be best to keep the current formatting and allow the table to list all the non-AP awards? ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241106202200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241106202200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241106202200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106192700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300-Dissident93-20241106202200"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Joe_F._Carr_Trophy" title="Joe F. Carr Trophy">Joe F. Carr Trophy</a> should probably be included somehow at least? Its article says "It was awarded until the 1946 season, and it <b>remains the only MVP award the NFL has officially sanctioned</b>". Maybe these discrepancies is why <a href="/wiki/User:Lizard_the_Wizard" title="User:Lizard the Wizard">Lizard the Wizard</a> split out the AP award in the first place? <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300-Dissident93-20241106202200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300-Dissident93-20241106202200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300-Dissident93-20241106202200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300"></span>Honestly, the simplest change would be to have <a href="/wiki/NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_Award" class="mw-redirect" title="NFL Most Valuable Player Award">NFL Most Valuable Player Award</a> renamed to <a href="/wiki/List_of_NFL_Most_Valuable_Player_awards" class="mw-redirect" title="List of NFL Most Valuable Player awards">List of NFL Most Valuable Player awards</a>. Every thing else can stay the same except changing Associated Press to AP (honestly, shouldn't it just be "MVP" per common name?).<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400-WikiOriginal-9-20241106204300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/AP_NFL_MVP" class="mw-redirect" title="AP NFL MVP"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400"></span>AP NFL MVP</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800-Gonzo_fan2007-20241106214400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241111141200-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800"></span>I'd support that per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCISE">WP:CONCISE</a>. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241111141200-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241111141200-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241111141200-WikiOriginal-9-20241106231800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241107044300-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">are considered the main award by the league and media</q>: I don't believe the NFL has stated this, but even still we'd go by reliable, independent sources, not necessarily what a league desires to push. FWIW, the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://operations.nfl.com/media/hfjn4oid/2024-record-fact-book-incl-supplemental.pdf#page=252">NFL's own record book</a> lists both the AP and PFWA winners (and <i>Sporting News</i>, but they only issue offensive and defensive POY now). At <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/totalfootballoff0000unse/page/387/mode/1up"><i>Total Football II: The Official Encyclopedia of the National Football League</i> p. 387</a> (1999), they list all the winners and historical selectors together. I'm wary of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> status making AP the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC">WP:PRIMARYTOPIC</a>, and that's before even considering for recentism based solely on <a href="/wiki/NFL_Honors" title="NFL Honors">NFL Honors</a> in the last decade. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241107044300-Dissident93-20241106184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241107044300-Dissident93-20241106184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241107044300-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241107051600-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span>The PFHOF explictly mentions AP, e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.profootballhof.com/players/peyton-manning">Peyton Manning (click "Career Highlights")</a> shows "2003 Associated Press Most Valuable Player". For <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.profootballhof.com/players/jerry-rice">Jerry Rice</a> they list his non-AP MVPs ("1987 Most Valuable Player/Player of the Year (PFWA, NEA, SN, MX)").—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241107051600-Dissident93-20241106184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241107051600-Dissident93-20241106184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241107051600-Dissident93-20241106184500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241118222100-Bagumba-20241107051600"></span>Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCISE">WP:CONCISE</a>, I've shortened all the AP awards (<a href="/wiki/AP_NFL_Offensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award" title="AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year Award">AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year Award</a>) and moved all the generic award landing pages to be less vague in their scope (<a href="/wiki/List_of_NFL_Offensive_Player_of_the_Year_awards" title="List of NFL Offensive Player of the Year awards">List of NFL Offensive Player of the Year awards</a>). ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241118222100-Bagumba-20241107051600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241118222100-Bagumba-20241107051600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241118222100-Bagumba-20241107051600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID" data-mw-thread-id="h-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID-20241111142300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID-20241111142300"></span><a href="/wiki/MOS:AVOIDBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:AVOIDBOLD">MOS:AVOIDBOLD</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID">WP:BOLDLINKAVOID</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID-20241111142300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: MOS:AVOIDBOLD and WP:BOLDLINKAVOID"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID"></span>In my years at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFL">WP:NFL</a>, I have noticed two very common MOS issue: <a href="/wiki/MOS:AVOIDBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:AVOIDBOLD">MOS:AVOIDBOLD</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID">WP:BOLDLINKAVOID</a>. For those unaware: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/MOS:AVOIDBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:AVOIDBOLD">MOS:AVOIDBOLD</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the first sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. Instead, simply describe the subject in normal English, avoiding unnecessary redundancy.</q></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLDLINKAVOID">WP:BOLDLINKAVOID</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the first sentence of a lead</q></li></ul> <p>An example of both of these issues can be found here: <a href="/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NFL_playoffs" title="2013–14 NFL playoffs">2013–14 NFL playoffs</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013%E2%80%9314_NFL_playoffs&oldid=1248462757">Perm Link</a>). The title of the article doesn't lend itself to being restated exactly in the first sentence, and even if it did, then the bold words should not be linked. I try to fix these as I come across them and I would appreciate any help if you all run into the same issue in other articles. I feel like many editors aren't even aware of this MOS, as I have been reverted fixing it until I share it with people. Thanks for nay help!<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300-MOS:AVOIDBOLD_and_WP:BOLDLINKAVOID"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241111173200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300"></span>Do you have a proposed standard wording and formatting? If we can establish that, some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNOME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNOME">WP:GNOMEs</a> might get to it. I often find certain editors revert for seemingly no other reason than "but we've always done it that way".—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241111173200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241111173200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241111173200-Gonzo_fan2007-20241111142300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700-Bagumba-20241111173200"></span>Bagumba</a> these issues are rampant across Wikipedia in general. I was just putting this out here with the hope that when other editors see it, they correct it. Seems like the biggest problem is people just don't know its in the MOS this way.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700-Bagumba-20241111173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700-Bagumba-20241111173200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700-Bagumba-20241111173200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241113065700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gonzo_fan2007" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Gonzo fan2007">Gonzo fan2007</a>: FWIW, it's come up before e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_20#NFL_Championship_Game_edits_by_GoodDay" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 20">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 20 § NFL Championship Game edits by GoodDay</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_23#Intro_to_American_Football_League_seasons" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 23">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 23 § Intro to American Football League seasons</a>.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241113065700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241113065700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241113065700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241112161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241113141400-Bagumba-20241113065700"></span>Thanks for the background <a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a>. My main gripe is the linking in the lead sentence, which doesn't seem to be contentious.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241113141400-Bagumba-20241113065700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241113141400-Bagumba-20241113065700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241113141400-Bagumba-20241113065700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets-20241113000900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets-20241113000900"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/New_York_Jets" title="New York Jets">New York Jets</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets-20241113000900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for New York Jets"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/New_York_Jets" title="New York Jets"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241113000900-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets"></span>New York Jets</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/New_York_Jets/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/New York Jets/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Z1720-20241113000900-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241113000900-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241113000900-Good_article_reassessment_for_New_York_Jets"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject-20241118181700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject-20241118181700"></span>Autotagging pages in player categories for the NFL WikiProject<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject-20241118181700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Autotagging pages in player categories for the NFL WikiProject"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject"></span>Every now and then I use AWB to run a recursive search against <a href="/wiki/Category:National_Football_League_players_by_team" title="Category:National Football League players by team">Category:National Football League players by team</a>, skip talk pages which have "WikiProject National Football League", "NFLproject", "WikiProject NFL", "WPNFL", or "WP NFL", and then I manually add the NFL WikiProject template to the relevant article. I've asked a bot operator that I respect who has experience with similar tasks (<a href="/wiki/User:Qwerfjkl" title="User:Qwerfjkl">Qwerfjkl</a>) about this to see if they'd be willing to take on this task as a bot task so that I don't have to manually do so. As a project, we're pretty good about not leaving articles unassessed, except regarding the importance level (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Assessment">Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Assessment</a>), which is why I thought this may be reasonable and wouldn't be in vain. </p><p>Initially, I had asked them not to worry about ratings, assuming one of our members would do it once the article was tagged as being related to the project, but Qwerfjkl mentioned that they could use ORES for ratings, restricting the task to only stub assessments, which ORES is apparently pretty accurate at. </p><p>So, in short, I'm asking whether there are any objections to a bot task which would... </p> <ul><li>A) Add the NFL WikiProject tag to any articles added to <a href="/wiki/Category:National_Football_League_players_by_team" title="Category:National Football League players by team">Category:National Football League players by team</a> on a regular basis</li> <li>B) Assess any of the newly tagged pages, which don't already have an assessment, as stubs if ORES returns that as what they are most likely to be (which it is pretty accurate at)</li></ul> <p>Please provide any feedback that you may have. It would certainly help save some time for me and be most useful after each year's NFL draft, where we end up with a lot of new articles that need to have the WikiProject tag added. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700-Autotagging_pages_in_player_categories_for_the_NFL_WikiProject"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118181900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700"></span>Support</b>.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118181900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118181900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118181900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241118220100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700"></span>Support</b> as I don't see any reason to oppose this. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241118220100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241118181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span 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href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography" title="Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography">Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography</a> into <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NFL_biography" title="Template:Infobox NFL biography">Template:Infobox NFL biography</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem-20241118185800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Discussion to merge Template:Infobox Canadian Football League biography into Template:Infobox NFL biography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem"></span>Discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_18#Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 18">here</a> <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241118185800-Discussion_to_merge_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography_into_Tem"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks-20241118213500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks-20241118213500"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Super Bowl losing quarterbacks">List of Super Bowl losing quarterbacks</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks-20241118213500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: List of Super Bowl losing quarterbacks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks"></span>Thoughts on this one? I'm not really seeing this as a topic discussed by third-party, reliable sources.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500-List_of_Super_Bowl_losing_quarterbacks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241118215900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"></span>Pure trivia and stats cruft. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241118215900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241118215900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241118215900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"></span>This reminds me, I wanted to nominate it for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300-Gonzo_fan2007-20241118213500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300"></span>I would support that move <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a>.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119001300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Useight-20241121020900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700"></span>I would support that, too. The losing starting quarterbacks are already listed at <a href="/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_starting_quarterbacks" title="List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks">List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks</a>, for that matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Useight" title="User:Useight">Useight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Useight" title="User talk:Useight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Useight-20241121020900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Useight-20241121020900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Useight-20241121020900-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119214700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241121142200-Useight-20241121020900"></span>Alrighty, since there's feedback I'm not off my rocker on this idea, I've sent it to AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241121142200-Useight-20241121020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241121142200-Useight-20241121020900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241121142200-Useight-20241121020900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NFL's_Greatest_Games" data-mw-thread-id="h-NFL's_Greatest_Games-20241119225500"><span id="NFL.27s_Greatest_Games"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NFL's_Greatest_Games-20241119225500"></span><i><a href="/wiki/NFL%27s_Greatest_Games" title="NFL's Greatest Games">NFL's Greatest Games</a></i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-NFL's_Greatest_Games-20241119225500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: NFL's Greatest Games"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119225500-NFL's_Greatest_Games"></span>Does anyone have a source for this article? I cannot seem to find any conclusive list of all these games? At best I can find <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/nfl-greatest-games/umc.cmc.25pgik2z5sl3d9z1oku787u89">Apple.com</a> with just a few episodes.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119225500-NFL's_Greatest_Games" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119225500-NFL's_Greatest_Games"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241119225500-NFL's_Greatest_Games"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NFL_attendances" data-mw-thread-id="h-NFL_attendances-20241120074500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NFL_attendances-20241120074500"></span>NFL attendances<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NFL_attendances-20241120074500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: NFL attendances"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.57.47.217-20241120074500-NFL_attendances"></span>Hi, I was asked to discuss about the average attendance figures of the NFL in 2023 over here. Do you think those would be a good addition? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.57.47.217" title="Special:Contributions/80.57.47.217">80.57.47.217</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:80.57.47.217" title="User talk:80.57.47.217">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-80.57.47.217-20241120074500-NFL_attendances" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.57.47.217-20241120074500-NFL_attendances"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.57.47.217-20241120074500-NFL_attendances"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900-80.57.47.217-20241120074500"></span>Yes, that was me that mentioned it might be worth discussing here. I thought that the numbers might be interesting, but they were sorted simply based on the number of attendees. That's cool, and interesting, but I think it'd be more valuable if we had the percentage included in a column as well, and sorted by that, as opposed to the raw attendance numbers. Also, I noticed your contributions and thought I'd encourage you to register an account. It'd make communication with you easier, as we could ping you, and you'd be able to better see a history of your edits and such. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900-80.57.47.217-20241120074500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900-80.57.47.217-20241120074500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900-80.57.47.217-20241120074500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241123004500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">It'd make communication with you easier, as we could ping you ...</q>: Editors could use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Talkback" title="Template:Talkback">talkback</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, but many might not be aware or find it inconvenient. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241123004500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241123004500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241123004500-Hey_man_im_josh-20241120154900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jet_Chip_Wasp" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jet_Chip_Wasp-20241121183100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jet_Chip_Wasp-20241121183100"></span><a href="/wiki/Jet_Chip_Wasp" title="Jet Chip Wasp">Jet Chip Wasp</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jet_Chip_Wasp-20241121183100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Jet Chip Wasp"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241121183100-Jet_Chip_Wasp"></span>I just ran across this one. I really can't grasp that this couldn't adequately be covered in <a href="/wiki/Super_Bowl_LIV" title="Super Bowl LIV">Super Bowl LIV</a>. I really don't see too much independent coverage about the play, outside of typical Super Bowl coverage. Currently, the article is maybe 40% about the Super Bowl itself, and about 10% just the broadcast calls of the play. Wanted to get some opinions before I <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a> or request a merge.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241121183100-Jet_Chip_Wasp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241121183100-Jet_Chip_Wasp"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241121183100-Jet_Chip_Wasp"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stat_table_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stat_table_templates-20241122170400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stat_table_templates-20241122170400"></span>Stat table templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stat_table_templates-20241122170400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Stat table templates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dissident93-20241122170400-Stat_table_templates"></span>I have some <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dissident93/templates">stat table templates</a> tailored to position if anybody wishes to use them. Ideally, a template could be used to enforce consistency further if that's desired. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Dissident93" title="User:Dissident93"><b style="color: #660000;"><i>Dissident93</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dissident93" title="User talk:Dissident93"><b style="color: #D18719;"><i>talk</i></b></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Dissident93-20241122170400-Stat_table_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dissident93-20241122170400-Stat_table_templates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dissident93-20241122170400-Stat_table_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241122171500-Dissident93-20241122170400"></span>Those look good. I've always wished the stat tables had named parameters like the infoboxes though. It's hard to tell where stuff goes sometimes. The <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Harbaugh&action=edit&section=46">college football head coaching template</a> has named parameters. <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241122171500-Dissident93-20241122170400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241122171500-Dissident93-20241122170400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241122171500-Dissident93-20241122170400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?-20241122222600"><span id="Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?-20241122222600"></span>Should references be included in NFL infoboxes?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?-20241122222600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Should references be included in NFL infoboxes?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?"></span>I am wondering if references should be included in NFL infoboxes… I removed a few but I thought I should check here before I do that anymore. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600-Should_references_be_included_in_NFL_infoboxes?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600"></span>Similar to the lead, all information in an infobox should be included in the body of the article, so generally it should be cited there and not in the lead/infobox. That said, controversial items may need to be directly cited even in the lead.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241122222600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bringingthewood-20241123002600-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"></span>I was thinking the same thing. There's an editor who added dozens of references to the NFL infoboxes over the months. Never saw that in the NFL boxes before. I left them there and later saw a much more experienced editor thanked this person for their work in general .. far from a warning. That stopped me from asking. <a href="/wiki/User:Bringingthewood" title="User:Bringingthewood">Bringingthewood</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bringingthewood" title="User talk:Bringingthewood">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bringingthewood-20241123002600-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bringingthewood-20241123002600-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bringingthewood-20241123002600-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241123003700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"></span>If there's a pro-football-reference link in the infobox, and the information is supported by that link, i dont think a reference needs to be added in the infobox. Ideally, the information should be mentioned in the body in prose and cited. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241123003700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241123003700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241123003700-Gonzo_fan2007-20241122225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bringingthewood-20241123004800-Bagumba-20241123003700"></span>They're references like the one for <a href="/wiki/Mario_Monds" title="Mario Monds">Mario Monds</a>. Same editor, all are for the teams in career history. <a href="/wiki/User:Bringingthewood" title="User:Bringingthewood">Bringingthewood</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bringingthewood" title="User talk:Bringingthewood">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bringingthewood-20241123004800-Bagumba-20241123003700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bringingthewood-20241123004800-Bagumba-20241123003700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bringingthewood-20241123004800-Bagumba-20241123003700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123015300-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bringingthewood" title="User:Bringingthewood">Bringingthewood</a>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gonzo_fan2007" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Gonzo fan2007">Gonzo fan2007</a> Alright thanks I will not remove them unless cited in the infobox from PFR. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123015300-Bringingthewood-20241123004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123015300-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123015300-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241123020800-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"></span>Yeah, err on the side of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiability</a>. At some point as the article improves (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TIND">WP:TIND</a>), the reference can be placed with prose in the body. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241123020800-Bringingthewood-20241123004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241123020800-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241123020800-Bringingthewood-20241123004800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300-Bagumba-20241123020800"></span>Right, also, one last thing, on <a href="/wiki/Giorgio_Tavecchio" title="Giorgio Tavecchio">Giorgio Tavecchio</a>, is it <i>really</i> necessary that every year on the Raiders it shows if he is on the practice squad or the active roster. Just checking, seems a bit complicated to me but I want your imput on that. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300-Bagumba-20241123020800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300-Bagumba-20241123020800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300-Bagumba-20241123020800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Crash_Underride" title="User:Crash Underride"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241123161700-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300"></span>Crash Underride</a> went and simplified it.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giorgio_Tavecchio&diff=prev&oldid=1259074239">[1]</a> It did seem a bit lengthy before, but not sure if there's a standard on whether offseason and practice squad stints should be noted or not during multi-year spans with the same team. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241123161700-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241123161700-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241123161700-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123022300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football,_born_1996)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi-20241123185800"><span id="Suggested_moves.2C_J._R._Reed_.28American_football.2C_born_1982.29_and_J._R._Reed_.28gridiron_football.2C_born_1996.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi-20241123185800"></span>Suggested moves, <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)" title="J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)">J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)</a> and <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football,_born_1996)" title="J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)">J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi-20241123185800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Suggested moves, J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982) and J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)" title="J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi"></span>J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=J._R._Reed_(American_football)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="J. R. Reed (American football) (page does not exist)">J. R. Reed (American football)</a> and <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football,_born_1996)" title="J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)">J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="J. R. Reed (gridiron football) (page does not exist)">J. R. Reed (gridiron football)</a> – <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football,_born_1996)" title="J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)">J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)</a> was moved a little over a year ago, and thought I would start a discussion about these as they no longer both have the (American football) anymore. Anyways, thought I would at least bring it up or if others have a different suggestion that would be fine too. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800-Suggested_moves,_J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)_and_J._R._Reed_(gridi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241123191800-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800"></span>I'd leave it. A reader looking for a player in the US by that name might not necessarily know which one happened to play in Canada too. The birth year slightly helps to disambiguate.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241123191800-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241123191800-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241123191800-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241123185800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800-Bagumba-20241123191800"></span>Or <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(American_football,_born_1982)" title="J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)">J. R. Reed (American football, born 1982)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=J._R._Reed_(safety,_born_1982)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="J. R. Reed (safety, born 1982) (page does not exist)">J. R. Reed (safety, born 1982)</a> and <a href="/wiki/J._R._Reed_(gridiron_football,_born_1996)" title="J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)">J. R. Reed (gridiron football, born 1996)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=J._R._Reed_(safety,_born_1996)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="J. R. Reed (safety, born 1996) (page does not exist)">J. R. Reed (safety, born 1996)</a> – Was another one that I was thinking. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800-Bagumba-20241123191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800-Bagumba-20241123191800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800-Bagumba-20241123191800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCGRIDIRON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCGRIDIRON"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241124033200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800"></span>WP:NCGRIDIRON</a> #4 says to just use "American football" when using birth year.—<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241124033200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241124033200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241124033200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241124005800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players-20241124195000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players-20241124195000"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Super Bowl winning players (page does not exist)">Category:Super Bowl winning players</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players-20241124195000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Category:Super Bowl winning players"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players"></span>The above category was created recently but <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Super_Bowl_champions&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Super Bowl champions (page does not exist)">Category:Super Bowl champions</a> was already deleted in the past. I personally never minded the champions category though. That <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_January_18#Category:Super_Bowl_champions" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 18">CfD</a> looked like it could have used more discussion. I'm not stating an opinion one way or the other, I just thought we should resolve this before someone goes through and adds it to every player. I think a bot could have the categories added back automatically by simply undeleting the champions category? <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000-Category:Super_Bowl_winning_players"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9">WikiOriginal-9</a>: That CfD was pretty well attended, resulting in 10 delete votes. The rationale in the CfD still applies from my point of view, and I think, based on that, this is essentially just a modified category title for which that CfD still applies to. I boldly G4 deleted the category based on that. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900-WikiOriginal-9-20241124195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124202700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900"></span>OK thanks. In regards to the CfD, I just meant that the last two !votes were saying that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERFCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERFCAT">WP:PERFCAT</a> doesn't apply to athletes but like I said, I don't mind either way. <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124202700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124202700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241124202700-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124200900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Formatting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Formatting-20241126002200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Formatting-20241126002200"></span>Formatting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Formatting-20241126002200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Formatting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200-Formatting"></span>I am trying to get a consensus on this to see what people here in the project think… </p><p>For example: On <a href="/wiki/Giorgio_Tavecchio" title="Giorgio Tavecchio">Giorgio Tavecchio</a> an editor put in for each year that if Tavecchio was on the practice squad (with an asterisk) like 2014, 2015 and 2016, 2017 did not have an asterisk as he was on the active roster. It seems a bit complicated and clunky to me but I will leave you guys up to that and to get a consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200-Formatting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200-Formatting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200-Formatting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241126072000-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span>For reference, the two formats on that page have been: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Oakland_Raiders" title="Oakland Raiders">Oakland Raiders</a> (<a href="/wiki/2014_NFL_season" title="2014 NFL season">2014</a>)*, (<a href="/wiki/2015_NFL_season" title="2015 NFL season">2015</a>)*, (<a href="/wiki/2016_NFL_season" title="2016 NFL season">2016</a>)*, (<a href="/wiki/2017_NFL_season" title="2017 NFL season">2017</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Oakland_Raiders" title="Oakland Raiders">Oakland Raiders</a> (<a href="/wiki/2014_NFL_season" title="2014 NFL season">2014</a>–<a href="/wiki/2017_NFL_season" title="2017 NFL season">2017</a>)</li></ul></blockquote></dd> <dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giorgio_Tavecchio&diff=prev&oldid=1259074239">[2]</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241126072000-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241126072000-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241126072000-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241126074200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span>Agree that the explicit one looks clunky, while the more compact one misleads that he played four seasons on the main roster, when in reality he was released in the preseason in the first three seasons. I never understood overblowing the infobox tenure with "offseason" stints (does any other project do that?), even if I accept listing practice squads. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241126074200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241126074200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241126074200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span>I agree that listing offseason/preseason stints are bad form. We're talking about practice man. What is next adding "one-day contracts"?-<a href="/wiki/User:UCO2009bluejay" title="User:UCO2009bluejay">UCO2009bluejay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UCO2009bluejay" title="User talk:UCO2009bluejay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126002200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126193500-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200"></span>Yeah. It seems a bit much to me and a bit too complicated. <a href="/wiki/User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">WhyIsThisSoHard575483838</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838" title="User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126193500-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126193500-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhyIsThisSoHard575483838-20241126193500-UCO2009bluejay-20241126162200"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN" data-mw-thread-id="h-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN-20241127173200"><span id="Packers.E2.80.93Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN-20241127173200"></span><a href="/wiki/Packers%E2%80%93Seahawks_rivalry" title="Packers–Seahawks rivalry">Packers–Seahawks rivalry</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAN">WP:GAN</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN-20241127173200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Packers–Seahawks rivalry at WP:GAN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127173200-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN"></span>Would anyone feel like doing me a real solid and reviewing <a href="/wiki/Packers%E2%80%93Seahawks_rivalry" title="Packers–Seahawks rivalry">Packers–Seahawks rivalry</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAN">WP:GAN</a> in the next week or so? The Packers and Seahawks play each other on December 15, I thought it would be cool to get it to DYK on the day of the game, but obviously need the GAN to make it eligible for DYK. Cookies, barnstars and QPQ would be freely offered! :) <span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127173200-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127173200-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127173200-Packers–Seahawks_rivalry_at_WP:GAN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:American_football_positions_(2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)-20241127193000"><span id="Template:American_football_positions_.282024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)-20241127193000"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:American_football_positions" title="Template:American football positions">Template:American football positions</a> (2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)-20241127193000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Template:American football positions (2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-20241127193000-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)"></span>My attempt to change (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&oldid=1252330474">revision</a></span>) the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:American_football_positions" title="Template:American football positions">American football positions</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> was reverted (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1259860935">diff</a></span>). I discussed this matter to the editor who reverted the changes. He suggested that I come here, hoping that you guys figure out what to do with the template. Happy Thanksgiving! <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-George_Ho-20241127193000-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-20241127193000-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-20241127193000-Template:American_football_positions_(2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241127193300-George_Ho-20241127193000"></span>I don't find the version that George Ho swapped the template to to be better than what was there, but I also recognize what was there wasn't great. I'm hopeful someone here has an idea on a better implementation. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241127193300-George_Ho-20241127193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241127193300-George_Ho-20241127193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241127193300-George_Ho-20241127193000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagumba-20241127194900-George_Ho-20241127193000"></span>I'd redesign it using the standard <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Navbox" title="Template:Navbox">Navbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, with high-level groups for offense, defense, and special teams. I don't see any particular significance to the current custom organization–it's not a visual alignment of X's and O's by position. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bagumba" title="User:Bagumba">Bagumba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagumba" title="User talk:Bagumba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Bagumba-20241127194900-George_Ho-20241127193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagumba-20241127194900-George_Ho-20241127193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagumba-20241127194900-George_Ho-20241127193000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127201600-Bagumba-20241127194900"></span>I did just that :) Feel free to tinker and or revert.<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;"><span style="font-size:small; color:teal;"> « Gonzo fan2007</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonzo_fan2007" title="User talk:Gonzo fan2007"><small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)</small></a> @ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127201600-Bagumba-20241127194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127201600-Bagumba-20241127194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonzo_fan2007-20241127201600-Bagumba-20241127194900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)-20241128010600"><span id="Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_.281994.E2.80.93present.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)-20241128010600"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994%E2%80%93present)" title="History of the New York Giants (1994–present)">History of the New York Giants (1994–present)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)-20241128010600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for History of the New York Giants (1994–present)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994%E2%80%93present)" title="History of the New York Giants (1994–present)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241128010600-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)"></span>History of the New York Giants (1994–present)</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994%E2%80%93present)/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/History of the New York Giants (1994–present)/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Z1720-20241128010600-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241128010600-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241128010600-Good_article_reassessment_for_History_of_the_New_York_Giants_(1994–present)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241128135900-Z1720-20241128010600"></span>Well this would put <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_topics/History_of_the_New_York_Giants" title="Wikipedia:Good topics/History of the New York Giants">Wikipedia:Good topics/History of the New York Giants</a> on the path to be a candidate for removal. It's one of our five NFL topics that have been promoted, so hopefully someone interested in good articles and their improvement is up for the task. The only Giants fan that springs to mine for me is @<a href="/wiki/User:Giants2008" title="User:Giants2008">Giants2008</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241128135900-Z1720-20241128010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241128135900-Z1720-20241128010600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241128135900-Z1720-20241128010600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Football_biography_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Football_biography_cleanup-20241129032000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Football_biography_cleanup-20241129032000"></span>Football biography cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Football_biography_cleanup-20241129032000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Football biography cleanup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cbl62-20241129032000-Football_biography_cleanup"></span>We made a lot of progress in 2023 and early 2024 with the article improvement campaign at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Football_biography_cleanup" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Football biography cleanup">Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Football biography cleanup</a>, but progress has stalled in recent months. There are still a lot of stubs lacking SIGCOV that could use work. <a href="/wiki/User:Cbl62" title="User:Cbl62">Cbl62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cbl62" title="User talk:Cbl62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#c-Cbl62-20241129032000-Football_biography_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cbl62-20241129032000-Football_biography_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cbl62-20241129032000-Football_biography_cleanup"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&oldid=1260143160">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&oldid=1260143160</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_National_Football_League_articles" title="Category:Project-Class National Football League articles">Project-Class National Football League articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_National_Football_League_articles" title="Category:NA-importance National Football League articles">NA-importance National Football League articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_National_Football_League_articles" title="Category:WikiProject National Football League articles">WikiProject National Football League articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_National_Football_League" title="Category:WikiProject National Football League">WikiProject National Football League</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProjects_task_lists" title="Category:WikiProjects task lists">WikiProjects task lists</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_to-do_lists" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with to-do lists">Wikipedia pages with to-do lists</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_banners_with_redundant_class_parameter" title="Category:WikiProject banners with redundant class parameter">WikiProject banners with redundant class parameter</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 29 November 2024, at 03:20<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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