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data-testid="prism-divider"></div><div class="xvlfx ZRifP TKoO eaKKC EcdEg bOdfO " data-testid="prism-article-body"><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao MvWXB TjIXL aGjvy ebVHC">President Donald Trump's picks to lead the next administration are talking about abolishing entire agencies and firing tens of thousands of federal workers at a time.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">But can his administration actually do all that?</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Experts believe Trump can get much further on upending the government system this go-around compared to his first term -- in part because the typical checks and balances are expected to lean in his favor.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Next year, the House and Senate are on track to fall under Republican control. Trump also got 226 federal judges and three Supreme Court justices confirmed while he was in office last time -- giving his ideas a sympathetic ear in the courts when he gets sued.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">With that in mind, here's a look at how Trump could try to "break" the federal government:</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO GbsKS pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW AMhAA daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc ebfE nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY VvTxJ iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM hbvnu OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD iShaE ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV kRoBe oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div data-testid="prism-ad-wrapper" style="transition:min-height 0.3s linear 1s" data-ad-placeholder="true"><div data-box-type="fitt-adbox-fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-testid="prism-ad"><div class="Ad fitt-article-inline-outstream ad-slot " data-slot-type="fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-slot-kvps="pos=fitt-article-inline-outstream-1"></div></div></div></div><h3 class="vPZug oPAle xcLAU bunQU uhXXI PjNjV lNbol LBPRq">A president can't really delete entire agencies, but he could take a page from Nixon to try to starve them</h3><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Elon Musk, who Trump has picked to co-lead the new outside-of-government "Department of Government Efficiency," has said he wants to cut $2 trillion of the $7 trillion in annual federal spending. His partner, Vivek Ramaswamy, told Fox News that they would achieve this through "mass reductions" and that some governmental agencies may be "deleted outright."</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">The idea seems far-fetched at first because federal agencies are established by federal law. The Department of Education, for example, was created by a 1979 passed by Congress signed by President Jimmy Carter.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO fnRUo pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW RMeqy daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc MENS nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY rPLsU iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM IEgzD OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD VWDdR ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV GPGwb oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div><div class="InlineImage GpQCA lZur asrEW " data-testid="prism-inline-image"><figure class="kzIjN GNmeK pYrtp dSqFO " data-testid="prism-figure"><div class="GpQCA lZur " style="padding-bottom:65.2391975308642%" data-testid="prism-ratio-frame"><div class="FvQLF iLTd NqeUA UzzHi iWsMV "><picture data-testid="prism-picture"><source media="(max-width: 414px)" srcSet="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=375, https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=750 2x"/><source media="(min-width: 415px)" srcSet="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=750, https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=1500 2x"/><img alt="" class="hsDdd vBqtr KrDt itslR SjwtZ hakZw HlUVI " data-testid="prism-image" draggable="false" loading="lazy" src="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg"/></picture></div></div><figcaption><div class="nMMea bNYiy Mjgpa dGwha DDmxa jgKNG RGHCC aBIU PriDW lZur " data-testid="prism-caption"><div class="HXPPJ barbu yKsXL IzgMt VcHIt uhSzI YGNMU cRAsZ xqMcl QtRul "><span class="hsDdd OOSI GpQCA lZur VlFaz " data-testid="prism-truncate"><span><span class="gtOSm FbbUW tUtYa vOCwz EQwFq yCufu eEak Qmvg nyTIa SRXVc vzLa jgBfc WXDas CiUCW kqbG zrdEG txGfn ygKVe BbezD UOtxr CVfpq xijV soGRS XgdC sEIlf daWqJ ">President-elect Donald Trump, Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and Donald Trump Jr. watch a fight during UFC 309 at Madison Square Garden in New York, Nov. 16, 2024.</span></span></span></div><div class="qinlA IpWvx oqZz tylGM lyWxS nWcVF UhTug PPcLh "><span class="YNujN JGtjI aZFDu rkKLh gtOSm FbbUW tUtYa vOCwz EQwFq yCufu eEak Qmvg nyTIa SRXVc vzLa jgBfc WXDas CiUCW kqbG zrdEG txGfn ygKVe BbezD UOtxr CVfpq xijV soGRS XgdC sEIlf daWqJ ">Kena Betancur/AFP via Getty Images</span></div></div></figcaption></figure></div></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Congress would need to pass new legislation to erase or significantly reform the Education Department -- an uphill battle even with a Republican-led Congress.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Enter the 1974 Impoundment Control Act. For much of the country's existence, presidents could, in theory, ignore spending money appropriated by Congress.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">President Richard Nixon used the tactic of sitting on -- or impounding -- federal money, essentially leaving funds untouched in U.S. Treasury accounts when he thought the spending was wasteful.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO GbsKS pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW AMhAA daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc ebfE nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY VvTxJ iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM hbvnu OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD iShaE ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV kRoBe oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div data-testid="prism-ad-wrapper" style="min-height:250px;transition:min-height 0.3s linear 0s" data-ad-placeholder="true"><div data-box-type="fitt-adbox-fitt-article-inline-box" data-testid="prism-ad"><div class="Ad fitt-article-inline-box ad-slot " data-slot-type="fitt-article-inline-box" data-slot-kvps="pos=fitt-article-inline-box"></div></div></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Democrats responded in 1974 by passing a law that requires a president to spend federal money the way Congress intended.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">In a <a class="zZygg UbGlr iFzkS qdXbA WCDhQ DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9YBvDX7ME">campaign video</a> posted last year, Trump said he would challenge the Impoundment Control Act. It's possible too that he could deem the law unconstitutional and try to ignore it -- inviting legal challenges that could take years to resolve.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">"For 200 years under our system of government, it was undisputed that the president had the constitutional power to stop unnecessary spending through what is known as impoundment," Trump said in a video during the GOP primaries.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">He later added: "When I returned to the White House, I will do everything I can to challenge the Impoundment Control Act in court, and, if necessary, get Congress to overturn it."</p><h3 class="vPZug oPAle xcLAU bunQU uhXXI PjNjV lNbol LBPRq">Trump can make federal workers' lives so miserable that they quit </h3><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Among the ideas Trump is expected to try again this term is to make the lives of some federal workers uncomfortable or to relocate their jobs to remote locations.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO GbsKS pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW AMhAA daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc ebfE nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY VvTxJ iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM hbvnu OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD iShaE ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV kRoBe oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div data-testid="prism-ad-wrapper" style="transition:min-height 0.3s linear 1s" data-ad-placeholder="true"><div data-box-type="fitt-adbox-fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-testid="prism-ad"><div class="Ad fitt-article-inline-outstream ad-slot " data-slot-type="fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-slot-kvps="pos=fitt-article-inline-outstream-2"></div></div></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">In his first administration, Trump temporarily decimated the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management by relocating its Washington headquarters to Grand Junction, Colorado. The idea, officials said at the time, was to put leadership closer to the lands and resources they manage. But the vast majority of the workers quit and the office never was able to find employees to replace them.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Another tactic could be to make it harder for workers to file grievances or strip them of legal protections.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">In fall of 2020, during the final months of Trump's first administration, he issued an executive order that would have created a new class of employees handling policy-related duties, essentially stripping them from legal protections that kept them in their jobs.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">The idea of Schedule F came too late in Trump's first administration to have a significant impact, but it's one expected to be pushed early on this time.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">The tactic is risky to taxpayers in the long term. While lawsuits and complaints by federal workers could take years to resolve, the federal government could owe back pay to workers who can prove they were wrongfully terminated.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO GbsKS pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW AMhAA daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc ebfE nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY VvTxJ iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM hbvnu OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD iShaE ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV kRoBe oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div data-testid="prism-ad-wrapper" style="transition:min-height 0.3s linear 1s" data-ad-placeholder="true"><div data-box-type="fitt-adbox-fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-testid="prism-ad"><div class="Ad fitt-article-inline-outstream ad-slot " data-slot-type="fitt-article-inline-outstream" data-slot-kvps="pos=fitt-article-inline-outstream-3"></div></div></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">"Taking a hatchet to this stuff will have an impact today and for decades to come," said Andrew Huddleston, communications director of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest union representing federal employees that opposed Trump's election.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">"It will be the future generations that pay the price," he said.</p><h3 class="vPZug oPAle xcLAU bunQU uhXXI PjNjV lNbol LBPRq">Trump will outsource budget plans, effectively hiding how decisions are made and who is making them </h3><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">In order to remake the government, Trump will need to install loyal allies across senior levels of the government and find ways to slow down legal challenges.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Among his proposals is to outsource FBI background checks for appointees to private investigators, a tactic that would enable him to hire people close to him even if there are security flags.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO fnRUo pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW RMeqy daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc MENS nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY rPLsU iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM IEgzD OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD VWDdR ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV GPGwb oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div><div class="InlineImage GpQCA lZur asrEW " data-testid="prism-inline-image"><figure class="kzIjN GNmeK pYrtp dSqFO " data-testid="prism-figure"><div class="GpQCA lZur gIjeL " data-testid="prism-ratio-frame"><div class="FvQLF iLTd NqeUA UzzHi iWsMV "><picture data-testid="prism-picture"><source media="(max-width: 414px)" srcSet="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=375, https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=750 2x"/><source media="(min-width: 415px)" srcSet="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=750, https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=1500 2x"/><img alt="" class="hsDdd vBqtr KrDt itslR SjwtZ hakZw HlUVI " data-testid="prism-image" draggable="false" loading="lazy" src="https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg"/></picture></div></div><figcaption><div class="nMMea bNYiy Mjgpa dGwha DDmxa jgKNG RGHCC aBIU PriDW lZur " data-testid="prism-caption"><div class="HXPPJ barbu yKsXL IzgMt VcHIt uhSzI YGNMU cRAsZ xqMcl QtRul "><span class="hsDdd OOSI GpQCA lZur VlFaz " data-testid="prism-truncate"><span><span class="gtOSm FbbUW tUtYa vOCwz EQwFq yCufu eEak Qmvg nyTIa SRXVc vzLa jgBfc WXDas CiUCW kqbG zrdEG txGfn ygKVe BbezD UOtxr CVfpq xijV soGRS XgdC sEIlf daWqJ ">Vivek Ramaswamy speaks during a rally for Republican presidential nominee and former U.S. President Donald Trump at Madison Square Garden, in New York City, Oct. 27, 2024.</span></span></span></div><div class="qinlA IpWvx oqZz tylGM lyWxS nWcVF UhTug PPcLh "><span class="YNujN JGtjI aZFDu rkKLh gtOSm FbbUW tUtYa vOCwz EQwFq yCufu eEak Qmvg nyTIa SRXVc vzLa jgBfc WXDas CiUCW kqbG zrdEG txGfn ygKVe BbezD UOtxr CVfpq xijV soGRS XgdC sEIlf daWqJ ">Andrew Kelly/Reuters</span></div></div></figcaption></figure></div></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Trump also has called for the use of "recess appointments" in the Senate, a common move by past presidents. For Trump though, it could enable his allies to ram through nominations without FBI security checks or financial disclosures so long as the chamber is adjourned for 10 days or longer. Sen. John Thune, the GOP's pick as majority leader, said he hasn't ruled out the idea, even though it would mean ceding the Senate's "advise and consent" constitutional confirmation power to the president.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Another Trump tactic for forcing change could be developing his biggest plans in secret, making it harder for opponents to object and mount legal challenges.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Ramaswamy said the new 'Department of Government Efficiency', or DOGE, will operate outside of government as a kind of private advisory group. That means its staff won't be required to submit financial disclosures or report conflicts of interest.</p><div class="oLzSq QrHMO GbsKS pvsTF EhJPu vPlOC zNYgW OsTsW AMhAA daRVX ISNQ sKyCY eRftA acPPc ebfE nFwaT MCnQE mEeeY SmBjI xegrY VvTxJ iulOd NIuqO zzscu lzDCc aHUBM hbvnu OjMNy eQqcx SVqKB GQmdz jaoD iShaE ONJdw vrZxD OnRTz gbbfF roDbV kRoBe oMlSS gfNzt oJhud eXZcf zhVlX "><div class="zzkIM UtCfs sXthe lyRMG XQpSH " data-testid="prism-divider"></div><div><section class="CHWlW ZgZTu FlDNH hQfuy feniZ wBpop uAyYK yJYJo OGgqj tQHio PCVZs Kiog iKqXF eeiyR " data-testid="prism-collection"><div class="EwJTR UpiKB sKbok RsAxh msYPt zKjNI SXHxp OaElp halTF KzevM LFuuA xTOeQ jLoop FbRJS VsDDe puLAk IlWTY uPokU OSGug wBYl eBjQR NZiwR liAe uMOq zYIfP pYgZk Mxrkk hsDdd lZur TPpRg NoUSU igcMP DtJWr QgBvn DFdlJ " data-testid="prism-card"><a class="iVcn UbGlr ibBnq qdXbA avodi DbOXS tqUtK GpWVU iJYzE QGHKv HNQqj ICwhc dVINO " data-testid="prism-linkbase" href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/ethics-experts-raise-concerns-musk-ramaswamys-department-government/story?id=115838961" aria-label="MORE: Some ethics experts raise concerns over Musk and Ramaswamy's Department of Government Efficiency roles"><div class="QGHKv iVcn avodi rEPuv ICwhc ibBnq "><div class="VZTD HNQqj QXDKT QBuju SHKi nCIGi NxHUa sJErG nJjCu dlVQH " data-testid="prism-meta"><div class="CJAFL gDeX "><h3 class="PFoxV eBpQD rcQBv bQtjQ lQUdN GpQCA mAkiF FvMyr WvoqU " id="MORESomeethicsexpertheadline">MORE: Some ethics experts raise concerns over Musk and Ramaswamy's Department of Government Efficiency roles</h3></div><div class="NwMid ExxYR tyAg WZxmx dWIDw ZxQhU " id="MORESomeethicsexpertindicators"><svg aria-hidden="true" class="prism-Iconography prism-Iconography--general-arrowRight" focusable="false" height="1em" viewBox="0 0 32 32" width="1em" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"><path fill="currentColor" d="M0 14.398h26.006L17.361 5.42l2.309-2.221L32 16.001 19.67 28.799l-2.309-2.222 8.645-8.976H0v-3.203z"></path></svg></div></div></div></a></div></section></div><div class="zzkIM UtCfs Ufjyt XQpSH " data-testid="prism-divider"></div></div><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">It won't be clear who is doing work for DOGE or how decisions are made. And while Musk has said he wants staff to work for free, it's likely industry lobbyists would eagerly sign up if it means being able to influence how future taxpayer money is spent.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">Musk, who owns the rocket company SpaceX, has blamed federal regulations slowing his quest to reach Mars and oversees billions in contracts with the federal government, including military satellites. Ramaswamy founded the biotech firm Roivant Sciences and remains a stakeholder who also could benefit financially depending upon how future federal regulations are written.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC TjIXL aGjvy">At last week's gala hosted by the America First Policy Institute, Trump said Musk and Ramaswamy make the perfect pair to shake up the government.</p><p class="EkqkG IGXmU nlgHS yuUao lqtkC eTIW sUzSN">"We're going to reduce regulation, waste, fraud, and inefficiency, and these two guys are going to find a lot of it," Trump said.</p></div><div><div data-testid="prism-tags"><h2 class="QOIir HJolv pZjYK JKlkC RZhHM ">Related Topics</h2><ul class="VZTD UeCOM dAmzA ltDkr qBPOY uoPjL "><li class=" "><a class="theme-iPcRv theme-HReFq mLASH egFzk qXWHA ScoIf zYXIH jIRH wNxoc OJpwZ eqFg wSPfd ofvJb bMrzT LaUnX EgONj ibBnq kyjTO lvyBv aANqO aNnIu GDslh LjPJo RpDvg YYtC rTpcz EDgo SIwmX oIWqB mzm MbcTC sXtkB yayQB vXSTR ENhiS dQa-Du SVBll bpBbX GpQCA tuAKv xTell wdAqb 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Trump also got 226 federal judges and three Supreme Court justices confirmed while he was in office last time -- giving his ideas a sympathetic ear in the courts when he gets sued."]},{"type":"p","content":["With that in mind, here's a look at how Trump could try to \"break\" the federal government:"]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Ad","props":{"ad":{"kvps":{"pos":"fitt-article-inline-outstream-1"},"type":"fitt-article-inline-outstream","className":"fitt-article-inline-outstream"},"placeholders":{"compact":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1},"regular":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1}}},"context":{},"config":{}}},{"type":"h3","content":["A president can't really delete entire agencies, but he could take a page from Nixon to try to starve them"]},{"type":"p","content":["Elon Musk, who Trump has picked to co-lead the new outside-of-government \"Department of Government Efficiency,\" has said he wants to cut $2 trillion of the $7 trillion in annual federal spending. His partner, Vivek Ramaswamy, told Fox News that they would achieve this through \"mass reductions\" and that some governmental agencies may be \"deleted outright.\""]},{"type":"p","content":["The idea seems far-fetched at first because federal agencies are established by federal law. The Department of Education, for example, was created by a 1979 passed by Congress signed by President Jimmy Carter."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Image","props":{"link":{},"caption":{"credit":"Kena Betancur/AFP via Getty Images","text":"President-elect Donald Trump, Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and Donald Trump Jr. watch a fight during UFC 309 at Madison Square Garden in New York, Nov. 16, 2024.","lines":4,"showMoreAriaLabel":"Show More about Image Caption"},"image":{"alt":"","src":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg","loading":"lazy","sources":[{"src":{"x1":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=375","x2":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=750"},"max":414},{"src":{"x1":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=750","x2":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/f460cac4-14c6-4ff3-acd7-ca9f5f35a44d/donald-trump-1-gty-gmh-241118_1731939640481_hpMain.jpg?w=1500"},"min":415}]},"ratio":"2592x1691"},"context":{},"config":{"align":"full"}}},{"type":"p","content":["Congress would need to pass new legislation to erase or significantly reform the Education Department -- an uphill battle even with a Republican-led Congress."]},{"type":"p","content":["Enter the 1974 Impoundment Control Act. For much of the country's existence, presidents could, in theory, ignore spending money appropriated by Congress."]},{"type":"p","content":["President Richard Nixon used the tactic of sitting on -- or impounding -- federal money, essentially leaving funds untouched in U.S. Treasury accounts when he thought the spending was wasteful."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Ad","props":{"ad":{"type":"fitt-article-inline-box","className":"fitt-article-inline-box"},"placeholders":{"compact":{"size":[0,250]},"regular":{"size":[0,250]}}},"context":{},"config":{}}},{"type":"p","content":["Democrats responded in 1974 by passing a law that requires a president to spend federal money the way Congress intended."]},{"type":"p","content":["In a ",{"type":"a","content":["campaign video"],"attrs":{"href":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9YBvDX7ME"}}," posted last year, Trump said he would challenge the Impoundment Control Act. It's possible too that he could deem the law unconstitutional and try to ignore it -- inviting legal challenges that could take years to resolve."]},{"type":"p","content":["\"For 200 years under our system of government, it was undisputed that the president had the constitutional power to stop unnecessary spending through what is known as impoundment,\" Trump said in a video during the GOP primaries."]},{"type":"p","content":["He later added: \"When I returned to the White House, I will do everything I can to challenge the Impoundment Control Act in court, and, if necessary, get Congress to overturn it.\""]},{"type":"h3","content":["Trump can make federal workers' lives so miserable that they quit "]},{"type":"p","content":["Among the ideas Trump is expected to try again this term is to make the lives of some federal workers uncomfortable or to relocate their jobs to remote locations."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Ad","props":{"ad":{"kvps":{"pos":"fitt-article-inline-outstream-2"},"type":"fitt-article-inline-outstream","className":"fitt-article-inline-outstream"},"placeholders":{"compact":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1},"regular":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1}}},"context":{},"config":{}}},{"type":"p","content":["In his first administration, Trump temporarily decimated the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management by relocating its Washington headquarters to Grand Junction, Colorado. The idea, officials said at the time, was to put leadership closer to the lands and resources they manage. But the vast majority of the workers quit and the office never was able to find employees to replace them."]},{"type":"p","content":["Another tactic could be to make it harder for workers to file grievances or strip them of legal protections."]},{"type":"p","content":["In fall of 2020, during the final months of Trump's first administration, he issued an executive order that would have created a new class of employees handling policy-related duties, essentially stripping them from legal protections that kept them in their jobs."]},{"type":"p","content":["The idea of Schedule F came too late in Trump's first administration to have a significant impact, but it's one expected to be pushed early on this time."]},{"type":"p","content":["The tactic is risky to taxpayers in the long term. While lawsuits and complaints by federal workers could take years to resolve, the federal government could owe back pay to workers who can prove they were wrongfully terminated."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Ad","props":{"ad":{"kvps":{"pos":"fitt-article-inline-outstream-3"},"type":"fitt-article-inline-outstream","className":"fitt-article-inline-outstream"},"placeholders":{"compact":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1},"regular":{"ratio":0.5625,"delay":1}}},"context":{},"config":{}}},{"type":"p","content":["\"Taking a hatchet to this stuff will have an impact today and for decades to come,\" said Andrew Huddleston, communications director of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest union representing federal employees that opposed Trump's election."]},{"type":"p","content":["\"It will be the future generations that pay the price,\" he said."]},{"type":"h3","content":["Trump will outsource budget plans, effectively hiding how decisions are made and who is making them "]},{"type":"p","content":["In order to remake the government, Trump will need to install loyal allies across senior levels of the government and find ways to slow down legal challenges."]},{"type":"p","content":["Among his proposals is to outsource FBI background checks for appointees to private investigators, a tactic that would enable him to hire people close to him even if there are security flags."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"Image","props":{"link":{},"caption":{"credit":"Andrew Kelly/Reuters","text":"Vivek Ramaswamy speaks during a rally for Republican presidential nominee and former U.S. President Donald Trump at Madison Square Garden, in New York City, Oct. 27, 2024.","lines":4,"showMoreAriaLabel":"Show More about Image Caption"},"image":{"alt":"","src":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg","loading":"lazy","sources":[{"src":{"x1":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=375","x2":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=750"},"max":414},{"src":{"x1":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=750","x2":"https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/30d6ca8b-c8ce-4e49-aaa8-a96b4157244a/Vivek-Ramaswamy-rt-gmh-241113_1731508280027_hpMain.jpg?w=1500"},"min":415}]},"ratio":"3x2"},"context":{},"config":{"align":"full"}}},{"type":"p","content":["Trump also has called for the use of \"recess appointments\" in the Senate, a common move by past presidents. For Trump though, it could enable his allies to ram through nominations without FBI security checks or financial disclosures so long as the chamber is adjourned for 10 days or longer. Sen. John Thune, the GOP's pick as majority leader, said he hasn't ruled out the idea, even though it would mean ceding the Senate's \"advise and consent\" constitutional confirmation power to the president."]},{"type":"p","content":["Another Trump tactic for forcing change could be developing his biggest plans in secret, making it harder for opponents to object and mount legal challenges."]},{"type":"p","content":["Ramaswamy said the new 'Department of Government Efficiency', or DOGE, will operate outside of government as a kind of private advisory group. That means its staff won't be required to submit financial disclosures or report conflicts of interest."]},{"type":"inline","content":{"name":"ContentPromo","props":{"cards":[{"headline":"MORE: Some ethics experts raise concerns over Musk and Ramaswamy's Department of Government Efficiency roles","link":"https://abcnews.go.com/US/ethics-experts-raise-concerns-musk-ramaswamys-department-government/story?id=115838961","type":"floating","inline":true,"image":null,"indicators":{"contentType":{"key":null,"ref":null,"props":{"icon":{"key":"general-arrowRight","paths":[{"d":"M0 14.398h26.006L17.361 5.42l2.309-2.221L32 16.001 19.67 28.799l-2.309-2.222 8.645-8.976H0v-3.203z","fill":"currentColor","clipRule":null,"fillRule":null}],"viewBox":"0 0 32 32","title":"Arrow Right"},"ariaLabel":null,"size":"1em","viewBox":"0 0 32 32"},"_owner":null}}}],"dividerEnabled":true,"type":"callout","style":{"IconsConfig":{"isArray":true,"arrayKey":"cards","propkey":"indicators.contentType","iconPath":"general.arrowRight","elementName":"ContentPromo","exceptionKey":"image"}}},"context":{},"config":{}}},{"type":"p","content":["It won't be clear who is doing work for DOGE or how decisions are made. And while Musk has said he wants staff to work for free, it's likely industry lobbyists would eagerly sign up if it means being able to influence how future taxpayer money is spent."]},{"type":"p","content":["Musk, who owns the rocket company SpaceX, has blamed federal regulations slowing his quest to reach Mars and oversees billions in contracts with the federal government, including military satellites. 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Trump also got 226 federal judges and three Supreme Court justices confirmed while he was in office last time -- giving his ideas a sympathetic ear in the courts when he gets sued.</p><p>With that in mind, here's a look at how Trump could try to \"break\" the federal government:</p><h3>A president can't really delete entire agencies, but he could take a page from Nixon to try to starve them</h3><p>Elon Musk, who Trump has picked to co-lead the new outside-of-government \"Department of Government Efficiency,\" has said he wants to cut $2 trillion of the $7 trillion in annual federal spending. His partner, Vivek Ramaswamy, told Fox News that they would achieve this through \"mass reductions\" and that some governmental agencies may be \"deleted outright.\"</p><p>The idea seems far-fetched at first because federal agencies are established by federal law. The Department of Education, for example, was created by a 1979 passed by Congress signed by President Jimmy Carter.</p><p><inline1></p><p>Congress would need to pass new legislation to erase or significantly reform the Education Department -- an uphill battle even with a Republican-led Congress.</p><p>Enter the 1974 Impoundment Control Act. For much of the country's existence, presidents could, in theory, ignore spending money appropriated by Congress.</p><p>President Richard Nixon used the tactic of sitting on -- or impounding -- federal money, essentially leaving funds untouched in U.S. Treasury accounts when he thought the spending was wasteful.</p><p>Democrats responded in 1974 by passing a law that requires a president to spend federal money the way Congress intended.</p><p>In a <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9YBvDX7ME\">campaign video</a> posted last year, Trump said he would challenge the Impoundment Control Act. It's possible too that he could deem the law unconstitutional and try to ignore it -- inviting legal challenges that could take years to resolve.</p><p>\"For 200 years under our system of government, it was undisputed that the president had the constitutional power to stop unnecessary spending through what is known as impoundment,\" Trump said in a video during the GOP primaries.</p><p>He later added: \"When I returned to the White House, I will do everything I can to challenge the Impoundment Control Act in court, and, if necessary, get Congress to overturn it.\"</p><h3>Trump can make federal workers' lives so miserable that they quit </h3><p>Among the ideas Trump is expected to try again this term is to make the lives of some federal workers uncomfortable or to relocate their jobs to remote locations.</p><p>In his first administration, Trump temporarily decimated the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management by relocating its Washington headquarters to Grand Junction, Colorado. The idea, officials said at the time, was to put leadership closer to the lands and resources they manage. But the vast majority of the workers quit and the office never was able to find employees to replace them.</p><p>Another tactic could be to make it harder for workers to file grievances or strip them of legal protections.</p><p>In fall of 2020, during the final months of Trump's first administration, he issued an executive order that would have created a new class of employees handling policy-related duties, essentially stripping them from legal protections that kept them in their jobs.</p><p>The idea of Schedule F came too late in Trump's first administration to have a significant impact, but it's one expected to be pushed early on this time.</p><p>The tactic is risky to taxpayers in the long term. While lawsuits and complaints by federal workers could take years to resolve, the federal government could owe back pay to workers who can prove they were wrongfully terminated.</p><p>\"Taking a hatchet to this stuff will have an impact today and for decades to come,\" said Andrew Huddleston, communications director of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest union representing federal employees that opposed Trump's election.</p><p>\"It will be the future generations that pay the price,\" he said.</p><h3>Trump will outsource budget plans, effectively hiding how decisions are made and who is making them </h3><p>In order to remake the government, Trump will need to install loyal allies across senior levels of the government and find ways to slow down legal challenges.</p><p>Among his proposals is to outsource FBI background checks for appointees to private investigators, a tactic that would enable him to hire people close to him even if there are security flags.</p><p><inline2></p><p>Trump also has called for the use of \"recess appointments\" in the Senate, a common move by past presidents. For Trump though, it could enable his allies to ram through nominations without FBI security checks or financial disclosures so long as the chamber is adjourned for 10 days or longer. Sen. John Thune, the GOP's pick as majority leader, said he hasn't ruled out the idea, even though it would mean ceding the Senate's \"advise and consent\" constitutional confirmation power to the president.</p><p>Another Trump tactic for forcing change could be developing his biggest plans in secret, making it harder for opponents to object and mount legal challenges.</p><p>Ramaswamy said the new 'Department of Government Efficiency', or DOGE, will operate outside of government as a kind of private advisory group. That means its staff won't be required to submit financial disclosures or report conflicts of interest.</p><p><inline3></p><p>It won't be clear who is doing work for DOGE or how decisions are made. 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