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class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">cell</strong> <span class="status_name">@CellYT5</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>多分皆さんが言いたいのはアニメだと意図的に気持ちよくフレーム作ってるけど動画を変換するとおかしな場所で切り替わってただのぶつ切りになっちゃうって事だと解釈しました。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/CellYT5/status/1648137392828878850" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 10:32:30</a> </span> </span> </div> <div data-index="2"> <div class="type_markdown"> <nav class='show_headings'> <span>目次</span> <ul> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h2_0">これが一番良く見える</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h10_0">何に違和感があるのか考察してみた</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h31_0">アニメならではの「嘘」が無い違和感</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h39_0">２Dアニメと３Dアニメでは条件が違う場合も</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h47_0">上手いアニメーターは要所要所でコマ数を変える</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h56_0">AIに対するアニメ業界の冷静さを感じる</a></li> </ul> </nav> <h2 class="md-h-1" data-h-index="0">これが一番良く見える <button type="button" class="hidebtn" title="目次" onclick="openDialog('/dialog/index/2128474');"><svg class="svg-icon fa-list-alt"><use xlink:href="#list-alt" /></svg></button> </h2> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='3' data-id='1647188779713835008'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Acceler_22' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="5" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">α-β@centre-right🇺🇦🇮🇱</strong> <span class="status_name">@Acceler_22</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/CellYT5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@CellYT5</a> 12fpsええな。ただそれでも、特に背景ではAI特有の前フレームとの連続性のなさが露になっちゃってるな。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Acceler_22/status/1647188779713835008" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-15 19:43:03</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='4' data-id='1648154248503525377'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/serval_sun' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="6" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">さーばる@ヨーグルッペ</strong> <span class="status_name">@serval_sun</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>なるほど。 <span class="f17 c06">フレームが多いとヌルヌルするけどダンスのキレが無いように見えてしまうのか。</span> <span class="f17 c06">こういうダンス動画だと12フレームくらいがキレと動きのバランスが取れているように見えるわけか。 </span><a href="https://t.co/r8MDH4wida" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/otarou01/statu…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/serval_sun/status/1648154248503525377" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 11:39:28</a> </span> </span> <div class='quoted_tweet_box'> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='4_0' data-id='1647964926969802753'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>これ、連続した絵を描いて動いている様に見せるという表現においてリミテッドアニメを半世紀以上作ってきた日本アニメの英知がどう実践されているかの実験動画になっている。ちなみに日本のアニメのフレームレートは24だけど、多くの場合３フレームは絵を変えないのでこの中では8Fが最も近い。 <a href="https://t.co/pFdLEWnuJL" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/CellYT5/status…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647964926969802753" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:07:10</a> </span> </span> </div> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='5' data-id='1648245092476686337'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Tanosimi3500' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">楽しみ🐏🍬🗿🐚🌸☘️🐶🥨🍶♨️</strong> <span class="status_name">@Tanosimi3500</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/CellYT5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@CellYT5</a> なんで60とか120にしちゃ駄目なの？アニメを圧倒的に超えないとAIでやる意味ないじゃん</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Tanosimi3500/status/1648245092476686337" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 17:40:27</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='1648284082034577409'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/fox6284' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">Iris</strong> <span class="status_name">@fox6284</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/Tanosimi3500" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Tanosimi3500</a> 活用方法的にキモい映像になるんでいらないですむしろアニメーターの負担を減らす非常に有力なツールになるかどうかの視点で見た方がいい。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/fox6284/status/1648284082034577409" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 20:15:23</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='1647995752826957824'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/punix2zery' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">シン・太眉ＪＫ🎀⋈ぷにぷにゼリー!Z</strong> <span class="status_name">@punix2zery</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/CellYT5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@CellYT5</a> <span class="f17 c06">3０Fで良いと思うわね。好みで言うならね。</span>AIアニメーションと言う画像品質の悪さに目を瞑るなら。ただ、リアルな動きと言うだけの成果物だから、動きのリアルさ以外に価値は無いけど。面白みの無い動画と言った方が早い。普通のダンス動画でいいわ。アニメに変換する必要が無い。創造性が無い。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/punix2zery/status/1647995752826957824" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 01:09:40</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='1646851152867385345'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/40kl_2' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">40kl_2</strong> <span class="status_name">@40kl_2</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/CellYT5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@CellYT5</a> <span class="f17 c06">そもそもアニメーション自体が30だと違和感あるかも</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/40kl_2/status/1646851152867385345" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-14 21:21:26</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='9' data-id='1647992681489108993'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Cykaku' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="12" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">いはら(はなげ)さいかく</strong> <span class="status_name">@Cykaku</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/CellYT5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@CellYT5</a> <a href="https://x.com/GOROman" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@GOROman</a> ディズニーが24だったのを手塚治虫が毎週テレビ放送するために12にした都市伝説は有名…</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Cykaku/status/1647992681489108993" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 00:57:28</a> </span> </span> </div> <div data-index="10"> <div class="type_markdown"> <h2 class="md-h-1" data-h-index="0">何に違和感があるのか考察してみた <button type="button" class="hidebtn" title="目次" onclick="openDialog('/dialog/index/2128474');"><svg class="svg-icon fa-list-alt"><use xlink:href="#list-alt" /></svg></button> </h2> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_url type_profile impl_profile_big'> <span> <a class="user_link" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank' rel="noreferrer"> <img class="lzpk " data-s="13" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> <a class="twitter_logo" rel="noreferrer" href="https://x.com/otarou01" target="_blank"><svg class="svg-icon fa-twitter"><use xlink:href="#twitter" /></svg></a> </span> <p class="emj">アニメ業界で働いているフリ</p> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='1647964926969802753'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>これ、連続した絵を描いて動いている様に見せるという表現においてリミテッドアニメを半世紀以上作ってきた日本アニメの英知がどう実践されているかの実験動画になっている。 <span class="f17 c01">ちなみに日本のアニメのフレームレートは24だけど、多くの場合３フレームは絵を変えないのでこの中では8Fが最も近い。</span> <a href="https://t.co/pFdLEWnuJL" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/CellYT5/status…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647964926969802753" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:07:10</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='13' data-id='1647964929549385733'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>24F中24枚絵を入れ替えるディズニーのアニメ表現から、8枚の絵を3F毎に入れ替えるリミテッドアニメは労力の削減と表現の成立のスイートポイントとして生み出された手法だが、<span class="f17 c01">絵が多ければ良いわけではないという説得力の高さをこの動画は体現してるよね。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647964929549385733" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:07:11</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='14' data-id='1647965397444853760'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>ちなみに、動きの速さや大きさによっては2フレーム毎に絵を入れ替える12Fの動画になるし、<span class="f17 c01">今のアニメではダンスシーンの多くが12Fで作られてるので、このシーンでの最適解は12Fのコマ表現ですね。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647965397444853760" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:09:03</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='15' data-id='1647966649260310535'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>リミテッドアニメは人間の認知機能を逆手に取って錯覚を起こしまくり動体認識の良い所取りをしている滅茶苦茶奥が深い表現なんだけど、多分この事を言語化出来る人は業界人でも数える位しか居ないと思う。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647966649260310535" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:14:01</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='16' data-id='1647968021301051392'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>アニメ表現でよく使われる「気持ち良い動き」というのは、人間の認知機能のプロセスと、映像のリズムがぴったりシンクロした時に起こる現象だと思っているのだけど、これを実現するのは今の所天才のみで、自分は理論理屈で再現出来ないか色々挑戦中。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647968021301051392" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:19:28</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='17' data-id='1647971627983065089'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">人間って認知機能ギリギリの情報負荷を与えられると脳内で快感物質が出たり興奮状態が起こるのか、それを気持ち良いと感じるらしく、情報負荷がそこから少しでもはみ出ると途端に「意味不明な情報」にドロップするんですよね。ほんで、記号化されたアニメの絵はこのギリギリの負荷を生み出しやすい。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647971627983065089" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:33:48</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='18' data-id='1648149931444813824'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/LiEat_D' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="14" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">七果さんだよ。</strong> <span class="status_name">@LiEat_D</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>Occultic;Nineを疲れてるときに見たり2倍速で見たりするとキマるやつだ。 > 人間って認知機能ギリギリの情報負荷を与えられると脳内で快感物質が出たり興奮状態が起こるのか、それを気持ち良いと感じるらしく、 <a href="https://t.co/pvihMVEgtF" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">twitter.com/otarou01/statu…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/LiEat_D/status/1648149931444813824" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-18 11:22:19</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='19' data-id='1647971629404934147'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/otarou01' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おたろう</strong> <span class="status_name">@otarou01</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c01">実写のトランスフォーマーの変身がただのブロックノイズと変わらないのは完全に情報過多過ぎて視聴者が視覚情報に追いつけずドロップしてる状態</span>だし、超高速のバトルシーンでもアニメでは多くの人が映像を見て何が起こっているのか分かるのはそこにある絵が必要情報が抽出された記号化されたものだから</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/otarou01/status/1647971629404934147" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2023-04-17 23:33:48</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='20' data-id='1648264386694496256'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/byaku_you' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="15" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> 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