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Sections older than <b>30 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 1 section is present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241017171700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241017171700"></span>Style guide change: first and last champions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241017171700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Style guide change: first and last champions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"></span>Hello. The Style Guide, Championships and accomplishments (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PW/CHAMPION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PW/CHAMPION">WP:PW/CHAMPION</a>) states that "Other notes (such as oldest, youngest, first, last, only, etc.) are only covered in the relevant prose section and are not listed in this section". However, despite I have tried to delete the first or last champions, IPs and users keep including over and over, most recently <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nick_Wayne&curid=74375692&diff=1251703876&oldid=1246959402">[1]</a>. I propose to change the style guide, so we can include inaugural and final champions to the C&A. I mean, it's like a lost battle, fighting against the elements. --<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User talk:HHH Pedrigree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241017200400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700"></span>So we change our guidelines just because some users don't read them?! Why you don't message them? You can request page protection or report them to related boards. If those users want to change MOS, then they should participate in the related discussion. And forget IP-users. Many of them are wrestling fans who view WP as a blog/database for submitting fancruft materials. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241017200400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241017200400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241017200400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241017171700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100-Mann_Mann-20241017200400"></span>I don't see the change as a harmful. It's a small change. --<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User talk:HHH Pedrigree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100-Mann_Mann-20241017200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100-Mann_Mann-20241017200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100-Mann_Mann-20241017200400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241018160400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100"></span>It is not a big deal for me. In the end, we follow general WP guidelines and WP:PW consensus. So if being the first/last champion is notable or something special and we get a consensus for it, then I'm OK with it. My point is we should not feed IP-users and registered users who always violate basic MOS guidelines. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241018160400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241018160400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241018160400-HHH_Pedrigree-20241018120100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LM2000-20241020080300-Mann_Mann-20241018160400"></span>I do not have a problem with the proposal, as long as first and last champions are the only ones noted in the C&A (not youngest, oldest, heaviest, etc.). Being the first/last champion is somewhat noteworthy, but the others border on trivia.</dd> <dd>Does anybody know if it was ever customary to note inaugural/final? I can always remember seeing them as long as I have been reading Wikipedia, but it has been against the styles guide as long as I have been editing (nearly 15 years). It seems like one of those things that used to be permissible and users refused to give it up after it fell out of favor.<a href="/wiki/User:LM2000" title="User:LM2000">LM2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LM2000" title="User talk:LM2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-LM2000-20241020080300-Mann_Mann-20241018160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LM2000-20241020080300-Mann_Mann-20241018160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LM2000-20241020080300-Mann_Mann-20241018160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400-LM2000-20241020080300"></span>To be honest, I feel like the <a href="/wiki/Organizational_culture" title="Organizational culture">five monkeys experiment</a>. Some users included it into the style guide long time ago and we follow it without asking. --<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User talk:HHH Pedrigree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400-LM2000-20241020080300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400-LM2000-20241020080300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400-LM2000-20241020080300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JDC808-20241023010200-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> I honestly never really understood why it was against the SG to notate the first and last champion in the C&A section, which is why I never removed it if I saw it on an article. It's a pretty notable thing. <a href="/wiki/User:JDC808" title="User:JDC808"><span style="color: green;">JDC808</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JDC808" title="User talk:JDC808"><span style="color: black;">♫</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-JDC808-20241023010200-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JDC808-20241023010200-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JDC808-20241023010200-HHH_Pedrigree-20241021084400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DrewieStewie-20241119235600-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"></span>Maybe explicitly allow inaugural and final champions in championship sections in the MOS? I personally think its notable information; if the project isn't opposed and in favor, let's do it. <a href="/wiki/User:DrewieStewie" title="User:DrewieStewie">DrewieStewie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrewieStewie" title="User talk:DrewieStewie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-DrewieStewie-20241119235600-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DrewieStewie-20241119235600-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DrewieStewie-20241119235600-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241122023000"><span id="Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural.2Ffinal_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241122023000"></span>Vote: Inclusion of inaugural/final champion in Championships and accomplishments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments-Style_guide_change:_first_and_last_champions-20241122023000"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Vote: Inclusion of inaugural/final champion in Championships and accomplishments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241122023000-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments"></span>OK, let's reach a consensus before 2025. Vote: Support, Oppose, or Neutral. </p> <ul><li><b>Neutral</b> As I said in my above comment, I'm fine with community consensus. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241122023000-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241122023000-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241122023000-Vote:_Inclusion_of_inaugural/final_champion_in_Championships_and_accomplishments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241122214500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> Per above. --<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User talk:HHH Pedrigree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241122214500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241122214500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarTrekker-20241123104200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> I think it's important to note a inaugral/final champion but I wouldn't see the point in anything beyond that. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241123134400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JDC808-20241123134600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:JDC808" title="User:JDC808"><span style="color: green;">JDC808</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JDC808" title="User talk:JDC808"><span style="color: black;">♫</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-JDC808-20241123134600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JDC808-20241123134600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JDC808-20241123134600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CeltBrowne-20241123150200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> - Being the first and last holder of a championship is noteworthy. <a href="/wiki/User:CeltBrowne" title="User:CeltBrowne">CeltBrowne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CeltBrowne" title="User talk:CeltBrowne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-CeltBrowne-20241123150200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CeltBrowne-20241123150200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span 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That's undoubtedly noteworthy. Neutral on final. Sometimes being a final champion is a noted and touted event. Sometimes the person just happens to hold a title when a foundering promotion finally closes. The latter isn't really notable, so I can take or leave it. But inaugural is absolutely deserving of mention. <a href="/wiki/User:Oknazevad" title="User:Oknazevad">oknazevad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oknazevad" title="User talk:Oknazevad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Oknazevad-20241123163200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oknazevad-20241123163200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oknazevad-20241123163200-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123171100-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Oppose</b> - it can be mentioned in the prose. It's not an achievement. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123171100-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123171100-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123171100-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davidgoodheart-20241123174700-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> - Seems slightly noteworthy. <a href="/wiki/User:Davidgoodheart" title="User:Davidgoodheart">Davidgoodheart</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davidgoodheart" title="User talk:Davidgoodheart">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Davidgoodheart-20241123174700-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davidgoodheart-20241123174700-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davidgoodheart-20241123174700-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DrewieStewie-20241123190500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:DrewieStewie" title="User:DrewieStewie">DrewieStewie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrewieStewie" title="User talk:DrewieStewie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-DrewieStewie-20241123190500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DrewieStewie-20241123190500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DrewieStewie-20241123190500-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Addicted4517-20241123195600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Guarded support</b> - This may be abused by users seeking to apply it to a non notable title, of which there are a number in the list of notable wrestlers. Using this to keep a title on a list could be problematic. I don't have an issue with it with notable titles (eg Pat Patterson IC Title, Seth Rollins NXT title etc) but we need to be very careful. The same applies to the last champion. <a href="/wiki/User:Addicted4517" title="User:Addicted4517">Addicted4517</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Addicted4517" title="User talk:Addicted4517">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Addicted4517-20241123195600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Addicted4517-20241123195600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Addicted4517-20241123195600-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span>Oppose</b> - A mention in prose is enough and I also think this might overload the C&A section a little bit. For example, when it comes to tag team titles, should you also indicate with which partner(s) the champion was inaugural/final champ? <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:MordecaiXLII" title="User:MordecaiXLII"><span style="color: #009B77">MordecaiXLII</span></a></b></i> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MordecaiXLII" title="User talk:MordecaiXLII">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400-Mann_Mann-20241122023000"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LM2000-20241125090300-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400"></span>I was leaning towards <b>support</b>, but you make a very valid point that I had not considered. This could get messy.<a href="/wiki/User:LM2000" title="User:LM2000">LM2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LM2000" title="User talk:LM2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-LM2000-20241125090300-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LM2000-20241125090300-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LM2000-20241125090300-MordecaiXLII-20241123201400"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b>Support</b> - Don't know if my opinion will matter here, but i really think that the inaugural champ should always be mentioned, but i'm not sure about the final, anyway, i will be okay with what the community decides, but the inaugural it's a yes for me. <a href="/wiki/User:StrangerMan123" title="User:StrangerMan123">StrangerMan123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StrangerMan123" title="User talk:StrangerMan123">Talk</a>)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fatal_Influence" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fatal_Influence-20241101201300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fatal_Influence-20241101201300"></span>Fatal Influence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fatal_Influence-20241101201300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Fatal Influence"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241101201300-Fatal_Influence"></span>Does <a href="/wiki/Fallon_Henley" title="Fallon Henley">Fallon Henley</a>'s championship make her stable <a href="/wiki/Fatal_Influence" class="mw-redirect" title="Fatal Influence">Fatal Influence</a> notable to have its own article? --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241101201300-Fatal_Influence" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241101201300-Fatal_Influence"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241101201300-Fatal_Influence"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CeltBrowne-20241101203200-Mann_Mann-20241101201300"></span>Notability depends on having reliable, secondary sources covering the subject rather than accomplishments. <a href="/wiki/User:CeltBrowne" title="User:CeltBrowne">CeltBrowne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CeltBrowne" title="User talk:CeltBrowne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-CeltBrowne-20241101203200-Mann_Mann-20241101201300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CeltBrowne-20241101203200-Mann_Mann-20241101201300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CeltBrowne-20241101203200-Mann_Mann-20241101201300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241102170900-CeltBrowne-20241101203200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CeltBrowne" title="User:CeltBrowne">CeltBrowne</a>:</span> Regarding media coverage, is that stable notable? Asking it because they have <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cagematch.net/?id=29&nr=4166&page=2">few televised matches</a> but they appear on every episode of <i>NXT</i> and they are involved in storylines of women's division. Also, I see some IPs are involved, not <a href="/wiki/Fatal_Influence" class="mw-redirect" title="Fatal Influence">Fatal Influence</a> but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Fatal_Influence&action=history">The Fatal Influence</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241102170900-CeltBrowne-20241101203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241102170900-CeltBrowne-20241101203200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241102170900-CeltBrowne-20241101203200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Addicted4517-20241123200000-Mann_Mann-20241102170900"></span>Number of caps does not make for notability (eg number of matches or titles). More is needed if required. An article that relies on matches and titles only is ripe for deletion. In this case though, if one uses the coverage of NXT from any reliable source (Wrestling Observer for example) then there shouldn't be a problem. <a href="/wiki/User:Addicted4517" title="User:Addicted4517">Addicted4517</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Addicted4517" title="User talk:Addicted4517">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Addicted4517-20241123200000-Mann_Mann-20241102170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Addicted4517-20241123200000-Mann_Mann-20241102170900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Addicted4517-20241123200000-Mann_Mann-20241102170900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="JCW_Heavyweight_Championship" data-mw-thread-id="h-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship-20241111123600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship-20241111123600"></span>JCW Heavyweight Championship<span data-mw-comment-end="h-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship-20241111123600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: JCW Heavyweight Championship"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241111123600-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship"></span>I think this article, <a href="/wiki/JCW_Heavyweight_Championship" title="JCW Heavyweight Championship">JCW Heavyweight Championship</a>, is in need of big improvements. The table is wrong, the wording and everything. I don't know how to fix this the table however. Is there anybody who could fix that? <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241111123600-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241111123600-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241111123600-JCW_Heavyweight_Championship"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011100-Lemonademan22-20241111123600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a>:</span> Use your sandbox. Create a table there, then copy-paste your table to the main article. Read <a href="/wiki/Help:Table" title="Help:Table">Help:Table</a> If you don't know how to create/edit tables. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241112011100-Lemonademan22-20241111123600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011100-Lemonademan22-20241111123600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011100-Lemonademan22-20241111123600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190500-Mann_Mann-20241112011100"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241120190500-Mann_Mann-20241112011100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190500-Mann_Mann-20241112011100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190500-Mann_Mann-20241112011100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="George_Hackenschmidt_footage" data-mw-thread-id="h-George_Hackenschmidt_footage-20241111151400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-George_Hackenschmidt_footage-20241111151400"></span>George Hackenschmidt footage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-George_Hackenschmidt_footage-20241111151400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: George Hackenschmidt footage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McPhail-20241111151400-George_Hackenschmidt_footage"></span>This old footage of George Hackenschmidt has turned up - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/search-use-collection/search/F18094/">https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/search-use-collection/search/F18094/</a>. Does anyone know the copyright status - is it public domain? If so can we get it on Commons? <a href="/wiki/User:McPhail" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McPhail">McPhail</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McPhail" title="User talk:McPhail">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-McPhail-20241111151400-George_Hackenschmidt_footage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McPhail-20241111151400-George_Hackenschmidt_footage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McPhail-20241111151400-George_Hackenschmidt_footage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011500-McPhail-20241111151400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:McPhail" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McPhail">McPhail</a>:</span> Visit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CQ">WP:CQ</a> and open a discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241112011500-McPhail-20241111151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011500-McPhail-20241111151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241112011500-McPhail-20241111151400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RadioKAOS-20241112025400-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"></span>I learned long ago that they're as useless as tits on a boar hog. I read whatever third-party sources I could find earlier today. So far, we don't precisely know the country of origin. We know the film was shot in the UK, but we don't know if it was produced there. That might be pivotal in determining authorship. It was acknowledged that little is known about the outfit who produced the film. If it was publicly exhibited prior to entering an archive holding, that would be considered publication for the purposes of determining its copyright status. Given its age and evidence of prior publication, it's certainly PD in the U.S.<a href="/wiki/User:RadioKAOS" title="User:RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> RadioKAOS </span></a>/<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RadioKAOS" title="User talk:RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> Talk to me, Billy </span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RadioKAOS" title="Special:Contributions/RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> Transmissions </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-RadioKAOS-20241112025400-Mann_Mann-20241112011500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RadioKAOS-20241112025400-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RadioKAOS-20241112025400-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McPhail-20241113100500-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"></span>Will do, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:McPhail" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McPhail">McPhail</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McPhail" title="User talk:McPhail">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-McPhail-20241113100500-Mann_Mann-20241112011500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McPhail-20241113100500-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McPhail-20241113100500-Mann_Mann-20241112011500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""As_of"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"As_of"-20241120185600"><span id=".22As_of.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"As_of"-20241120185600"></span>"As of"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"As_of"-20241120185600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: "As of""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120185600-"As_of""></span>I might be a little late to the party, but is the consensus to put "As of" in wrestler's bios or not? If not, what is the consensus? <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241120185600-"As_of"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120185600-"As_of""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241120185600-"As_of""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span>I don't think it's necessary to put "as of" on something like <a href="/wiki/Jey_Uso" title="Jey Uso">Jey Uso</a>. That's not the type of obscure article that will get outdated. If it's a relatively unknown person, you could write "as of" in order to future-proof the article but it's not necessary for popular aritcles. And at the very least, it should say "as of 2024", not "as of 2010". <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190700-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300"></span>Hm. I think it still could be necessary, it's not exactly wrong, I don't really see the difference between putting "As of 2024" and "As of 2010" or something like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241120190700-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190700-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241120190700-WikiOriginal-9-20241120190300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McPhail-20241120213000-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span>We shouldn't be using "currently", so it's a case of what the best alternative is. <a href="/wiki/User:McPhail" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McPhail">McPhail</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McPhail" title="User talk:McPhail">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-McPhail-20241120213000-Lemonademan22-20241120185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McPhail-20241120213000-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McPhail-20241120213000-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120225600-McPhail-20241120213000"></span>Of course, I've removed some of them, so is "As of" the best option or should it just be left to "He/She is signed to"? <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241120225600-McPhail-20241120213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241120225600-McPhail-20241120213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241120225600-McPhail-20241120213000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241122021100-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span>Using terms like "current" and "currently" is the violation of MOS per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Current" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">WP:MOS</a>, <a href="/wiki/MOS:CURRENT" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:CURRENT">MOS:CURRENT</a>, and <a href="/wiki/MOS:REALTIME" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:REALTIME">MOS:REALTIME</a>. Using "As of" is the best option. If "As of" does not sound suitable in a specific case, you can use some parameters to change "As of" to "has been". --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241122021100-Lemonademan22-20241120185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241122021100-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241122021100-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JDC808-20241123134300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> there was a discussion some months ago and consensus was to use "as of" or "since". <a href="/wiki/User:JDC808" title="User:JDC808"><span style="color: green;">JDC808</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JDC808" title="User talk:JDC808"><span style="color: black;">♫</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-JDC808-20241123134300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JDC808-20241123134300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JDC808-20241123134300-Lemonademan22-20241120185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134500-JDC808-20241123134300"></span>Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241123134500-JDC808-20241123134300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134500-JDC808-20241123134300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241123134500-JDC808-20241123134300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage-20241121033900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage-20241121033900"></span>Linda McMahon and Vince McMahon Marriage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage-20241121033900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Linda McMahon and Vince McMahon Marriage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royiswariii-20241121033900-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage"></span>Hello people! I just wanna ask if <a href="/wiki/Vince_McMahon" title="Vince McMahon">Vince McMahon</a> and <a href="/wiki/Linda_McMahon" title="Linda McMahon">Linda McMahon</a> are still married? Because in their infobox they stated that they are separated on september 2024. But in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://hollywoodlife.com/feature/are-linda-vince-mcmahon-still-together-5347227/">Hollywood Life</a> article, they said that they are still married. So can someone to break this speculation wether it is a true or just a hoax? <a href="/wiki/User:Royiswariii" title="User:Royiswariii">Royiswariii</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royiswariii" title="User talk:Royiswariii"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Royiswariii-20241121033900-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royiswariii-20241121033900-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royiswariii-20241121033900-Linda_McMahon_and_Vince_McMahon_Marriage"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DrewieStewie-20241121044400-Royiswariii-20241121033900"></span>Separation is different from divorce. You’re technically still married while separated; they are confirmed to be separated, according to article sources. While they are separated, they have not initiated divorce proceedings. <a href="/wiki/User:DrewieStewie" title="User:DrewieStewie">DrewieStewie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DrewieStewie" title="User talk:DrewieStewie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-DrewieStewie-20241121044400-Royiswariii-20241121033900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DrewieStewie-20241121044400-Royiswariii-20241121033900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DrewieStewie-20241121044400-Royiswariii-20241121033900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table-20241121151400"><span id="Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_.282022.29_results_table"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table-20241121151400"></span>Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022) results table<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table-20241121151400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022) results table"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121151400-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table"></span>Hey everybody. Can somebody please fix the results table in the article <a href="/wiki/Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)" title="Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022)">Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022)</a>? I have no idea what is the issue with it, the formatting is seemingly correct yet it is not showing and is just showing text. Can somebody fix it for me? That would be a big help, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241121151400-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121151400-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241121151400-Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)_results_table"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900-Lemonademan22-20241121151400"></span>Fixed. There was a missing bracket. <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900-Lemonademan22-20241121151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900-Lemonademan22-20241121151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900-Lemonademan22-20241121151400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121154100-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900"></span>Appreciate it. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241121154100-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121154100-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241121154100-WikiOriginal-9-20241121152900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czello-20241121155700-Lemonademan22-20241121154100"></span>I must have been staring at it for 20+ minutes trying to figure out what was wrong and couldn't see the missing bracket.</dd> <dd>On the other hand, I did notice <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)&diff=prev&oldid=1258775558">one particular link that wasn't quite right...</a> :D — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Czello" title="User:Czello"><i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i></a></b> <sup><i>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czello" title="User talk:Czello"><i style="color:#8000FF">music</i></a>)</i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Czello-20241121155700-Lemonademan22-20241121154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czello-20241121155700-Lemonademan22-20241121154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czello-20241121155700-Lemonademan22-20241121154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121161300-Czello-20241121155700"></span>Maybe it was a "<a href="/wiki/Edge_(wrestler)" title="Edge (wrestler)">live sex celebration</a>", lol. <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121161300-Czello-20241121155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121161300-Czello-20241121155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241121161300-Czello-20241121155700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121195700-Czello-20241121155700"></span>Oh my goodness, I can't believe that I thought it was a redirect. Got a really good laugh out of me though. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241121195700-Czello-20241121155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241121195700-Czello-20241121155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241121195700-Czello-20241121155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czello-20241121202800-Lemonademan22-20241121195700"></span>😂 — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Czello" title="User:Czello"><i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i></a></b> <sup><i>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czello" title="User talk:Czello"><i style="color:#8000FF">music</i></a>)</i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Czello-20241121202800-Lemonademan22-20241121195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czello-20241121202800-Lemonademan22-20241121195700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czello-20241121202800-Lemonademan22-20241121195700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split-20241123110800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split-20241123110800"></span>The list of Ironman Heavymetalweight champions needs to be split<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split-20241123110800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: The list of Ironman Heavymetalweight champions needs to be split"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/List_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_Champions" title="List of Ironman Heavymetalweight Champions">List of Ironman Heavymetalweight Champions</a> has <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCLUDELIMIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCLUDELIMIT">exceeded the expansion depth</a>. Also, it has become very slow and awkward to edit in source mode unless the syntax highlighting is deactivated. The article should be split, but I'm not sure how to proceed. Should it be split by "blocks of <i>n</i> champions", by decades,...? Also, since I am in the process of adding sources for all those old unsourced title changes, I'm worried the issue might repeat itself when the article is split. What would be a smart way to handle this? <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:MordecaiXLII" title="User:MordecaiXLII"><span style="color: #009B77">MordecaiXLII</span></a></b></i> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MordecaiXLII" title="User talk:MordecaiXLII">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800-The_list_of_Ironman_Heavymetalweight_champions_needs_to_be_split"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241123122500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span>Yeah, the article is huge and looks like every week will become larger. Maybe, by number of champions, like 1 to 1000, 1001 to 2000... --<a href="/wiki/User:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User:HHH Pedrigree">HHH Pedrigree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HHH_Pedrigree" title="User talk:HHH Pedrigree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241123122500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241123122500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HHH_Pedrigree-20241123122500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mann_Mann-20241123132000-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span>Split it by Number; e.g. 1-1000, 1001-2000, 2001-3000. To avoid cluttering and bloating, I suggest using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LDR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LDR">WP:LDR</a>. Actually, LDR is one of the best available options for PW articles due to the amount of content and number of citations. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mann_Mann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mann Mann">Mann Mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mann_Mann" title="User talk:Mann Mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Mann_Mann-20241123132000-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mann_Mann-20241123132000-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mann_Mann-20241123132000-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123132800-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span>I wonder if we are reaching <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRIVIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRIVIA">WP:TRIVIA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE">WP:INDISCRIMINATE</a> levels here. I get that the title itself is notable, and for most titles, a separate list of who held it make sense, but three separate articles for a joke title seems crazy. I don't see how keeping a chronological list is very encyclopedic. What is wrong with a list of people who have held the belt (and how many times). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123132800-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123132800-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-20241123132800-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RadioKAOS-20241124021500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span>It also looks like a dumping ground for dubious sources.<a href="/wiki/User:RadioKAOS" title="User:RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> RadioKAOS </span></a>/<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RadioKAOS" title="User talk:RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> Talk to me, Billy </span></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RadioKAOS" title="Special:Contributions/RadioKAOS"><span style="color:green;"> Transmissions </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-RadioKAOS-20241124021500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RadioKAOS-20241124021500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RadioKAOS-20241124021500-MordecaiXLII-20241123110800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Event_Chronology"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Event_Chronology"-20241123132600"><span id=".22Event_Chronology.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Event_Chronology"-20241123132600"></span>"Event Chronology"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Event_Chronology"-20241123132600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: "Event Chronology""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123132600-"Event_Chronology""></span>On special episodes for bother <a href="/wiki/AEW" class="mw-redirect" title="AEW">AEW</a> and <a href="/wiki/WWE" title="WWE">WWE</a> weekly programmes such as <a href="/wiki/AEW_Dynamite" title="AEW Dynamite">AEW Dynamite</a> and <a href="/wiki/WWE_RAW" class="mw-redirect" title="WWE RAW">WWE RAW</a>, for example <a href="/wiki/Thanksgiving_Eve_Dynamite_(2022)" title="Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022)">Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022)</a>, do we put "Event chronology" or, in this case, "AEW Thanksgiving Eve chronology" in the infobox? <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241123132600-"Event_Chronology"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241123132600-"Event_Chronology""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241123132600-"Event_Chronology""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JDC808-20241123134800-Lemonademan22-20241123132600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> If there's a main article to link to, then put the event's name for the event chronology, but you can still put the event name there regardless. On that particular article though, the event chronology should go before "Dynamite special episodes" chronology. <a href="/wiki/User:JDC808" title="User:JDC808"><span style="color: green;">JDC808</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JDC808" title="User talk:JDC808"><span style="color: black;">♫</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-JDC808-20241123134800-Lemonademan22-20241123132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JDC808-20241123134800-Lemonademan22-20241123132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JDC808-20241123134800-Lemonademan22-20241123132600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Final_Battle_(2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Final_Battle_(2024)-20241125223600"><span id="Final_Battle_.282024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Final_Battle_(2024)-20241125223600"></span><a href="/wiki/Final_Battle_(2024)" title="Final Battle (2024)">Final Battle (2024)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Final_Battle_(2024)-20241125223600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Final Battle (2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lemonademan22-20241125223600-Final_Battle_(2024)"></span>Can someone look at this revision by this IP <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Battle_(2024)&oldid=1259563820">[2]</a> this is so wrong, I mean "possible" and "confirmed matches"? the sources, formatting and everything. Reported this user twice now and asked for page protection. Can someone please give this IP a warning and report them so something actually gets done? Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Lemonademan22" title="User:Lemonademan22">Lemonademan22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lemonademan22" title="User talk:Lemonademan22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#c-Lemonademan22-20241125223600-Final_Battle_(2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lemonademan22-20241125223600-Final_Battle_(2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lemonademan22-20241125223600-Final_Battle_(2024)"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&oldid=1259648539">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&oldid=1259648539</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 26 November 2024, at 08:51<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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