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Please replace this template with a more specific <a href="/wiki/Template:Media_request_templates" title="Template:Media request templates">media request template</a> where possible.<br/><small>The <a class="external text" href="https://fist.toolforge.org/fist.php?doit=1&language=en&project=wikipedia&data=Brett+Cooper+%28commentator%29&datatype=articles&params%5Bcatdepth%5D=0&params%5Brandom%5D=50&params%5Bll_max%5D=5&params%5Bcommons_max%5D=5&params%5Bflickr_max%5D=5&params%5Binclude_flickr_id%5D=1&params%5Bwts_max%5D=5&params%5Bgimp_max%5D=5&params%5Besp_max%5D=5&params%5Besp_skip_flickr%5D=1&params%5Bgeograph_max%5D=5&params%5Bforarticles%5D=noimage&params%5Blessthan_images%5D=3&params%5Bdefault_thumbnail_size%5D=&params%5Bjpeg%5D=1&params%5Bpng%5D=1&params%5Bgif%5D=1&params%5Bsvg%5D=1&params%5Bogg%5D=1&params%5Bmin_width%5D=80&params%5Bmin_height%5D=80&sources%5Blanguagelinks%5D=1&sources%5Bcommons%5D=1&sources%5Bflickr%5D=1">Free Image Search Tool</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://openverse.org/?q=Brett+Cooper+%28commentator%29&license=cc0,pdm,by,by-sa">Openverse Creative Commons Search</a> may be able to locate suitable images on <a href="/wiki/Flickr" title="Flickr">Flickr</a> and other web sites.</small></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?&descriptionlang=en&description=%5B%5B%3Aen%3ABrett+Cooper+%28commentator%29%7CBrett+Cooper+%28commentator%29%5D%5D&categories=people+of+Washington"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">Upload</span></a></span></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper-20231222034300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper-20231222034300"></span>The Comments Section With Brett Cooper<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper-20231222034300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: The Comments Section With Brett Cooper"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"></span>There needs to be a description of the show itself not just have the only contents of the Section be criticism. My recent addition was removed by @<a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> for “Promotional Material” which is not the case as it’s simply describing what the show itself is. <a href="/wiki/User:Elvisisalive95" title="User:Elvisisalive95">Elvisisalive95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvisisalive95" title="User talk:Elvisisalive95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20231222041200-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300"></span>The section in this article about the show includes a description of the show from <i><a href="/wiki/The_Week" title="The Week">The Week</a></i> that is not criticism. If there is further independent, third-party coverage in reliable sources about the show, then these sources could be used to develop encyclopedic content.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTPROMO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTPROMO">WP:NOTPROMO</a> policy, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Wikipedia articles about a person, company, or organization are not an extension of their website, press releases, or other <a href="/wiki/Social_media_marketing" title="Social media marketing">social media marketing</a> efforts.</q> The sources used to support the new content <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brett_Cooper_(commentator)&diff=prev&oldid=1191202621">[1]</a> are marketing materials produced by Cooper on the subscriber-only<i><a href="/wiki/The_Daily_Wire" title="The Daily Wire">The Daily Wire</a></i> website <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-why-i-left-hollywood-to-join-the-daily-wire">[2]</a>, and a link to her show's YouTube channel <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/@TheCommentsSection">[3]</a>. With the article already substantially based on materials connected to Cooper, continuing to add more seems excessive, particularly for an article of this size. <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20231222041200-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20231222041200-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20231222041200-Elvisisalive95-20231222034300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000-Beccaynr-20231222041200"></span>No matter if you want to call it criticism or not, i left it in place. I just feel there should most definitely be a description of the show itself first. I used those sources because the article explains when she started the show & the link to the show’s youtube channel describes what the show is about in the description box. I felt as that’s the best possible source since it’s coming directly from the official account. <a href="/wiki/User:Elvisisalive95" title="User:Elvisisalive95">Elvisisalive95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvisisalive95" title="User talk:Elvisisalive95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000-Beccaynr-20231222041200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000-Beccaynr-20231222041200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000-Beccaynr-20231222041200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20231222051700-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000"></span>I added a description from coverage by <i><a href="/wiki/The_Mary_Sue" class="mw-redirect" title="The Mary Sue">The Mary Sue</a></i> (discussed in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_383#Mary_Sue" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 383">September 2022 at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard</a>), because independent secondary coverage from reliable sources can help develop <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPBALANCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPBALANCE">balanced</a> encyclopedic content. <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20231222051700-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20231222051700-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20231222051700-Elvisisalive95-20231222042000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222052600-Beccaynr-20231222051700"></span>There’s definitely balanced encyclopedic content by way of the paragraph that was there from the get go. <a href="/wiki/User:Elvisisalive95" title="User:Elvisisalive95">Elvisisalive95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvisisalive95" title="User talk:Elvisisalive95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Elvisisalive95-20231222052600-Beccaynr-20231222051700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222052600-Beccaynr-20231222051700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222052600-Beccaynr-20231222051700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20231222054500-Beccaynr-20231222051700"></span>I noticed your removal of the coverage of the show <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brett_Cooper_(commentator)&diff=prev&oldid=1191213920">[4]</a>, and your edit summary <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Not a credible source, a person’s opinion on how he/she interprets the show does not merit being included here, tacked on to the end of the description of the show. This seems to be included by the editor to make a personal point (wp:POINT) after defending the following paragraph pertaining to criticizing Brett Cooper as well as deleting my initial description of the show. Wikipedia Editor’s should never let their personal opinion or belief's influence their edits. We simply want just the facts.</p></blockquote> but reviews are typical to include for articles; this type of coverage can help support the encyclopedic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CREATIVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CREATIVE">notability</a> of an article subject, unlike <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTPROMO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTPROMO">promotional content</a> they produce about themselves. I linked to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard discussion in my comment above, which discusses several factors related to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">general reliability</a> of the source, including its ownership change and site policies - while that discussion was focused on inclusion of contentious content in a BLP, there was also a mention of entertainment news.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I looked for further sources after your initial edit to the article, to see if I could find better sources; after you restored the disputed edit, I looked again with different search terms and found coverage of the show, so I added that, because having more independent, reliable, secondary coverage is one way to help keep articles from becoming <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPSELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPSELFPUB">primarily based on materials the article subject publishes about themselves</a>. My goal is to work with you to develop encylopedic content, within policies and guidelines. <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20231222054500-Beccaynr-20231222051700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20231222054500-Beccaynr-20231222051700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20231222054500-Beccaynr-20231222051700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000-Beccaynr-20231222054500"></span>Given the initial removal of my description with an inaccurate classification as “Promotional Content” I couldn’t see your contribution as a good faith edit. If you strongly feel as if that interpretation of the show from the independent author of said article is needed, i can see adding it as a standalone paragraph at the end of the section as it stands now. But certainly not tacked on to the tail end of the description of what the show itself is. <a href="/wiki/User:Elvisisalive95" title="User:Elvisisalive95">Elvisisalive95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvisisalive95" title="User talk:Elvisisalive95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000-Beccaynr-20231222054500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000-Beccaynr-20231222054500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000-Beccaynr-20231222054500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20231222062800-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000"></span>A little good faith can go a long way around here, and I appreciate your interest in developing a compromise solution. I have found this article to be a challenge to develop because of what appears to be a limited amount of independent, reliable, and secondary coverage, which is what we primarily need to develop the article. <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I think the content based on the YouTube About section would also benefit from some editing. The About section describes the show as "an irreverent viral content and news review show offering an against-the-grain, laid-back perspective on today’s culture." In <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKIVOICE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKIVOICE">WP:WIKIVOICE</a>, the article currently states, "Cooper reviews viral content as well as discusses current affairs", cited to the YouTube About section.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I think it would be more appropriate to clearly attribute the description, e.g. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>According to the "About" section of the show's YouTube channel, it is a "viral content and news review show."</p></blockquote> Adding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIASED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIASED">an attribution</a> to opinion sources is standard practice, and I think this reasonably includes sources produced by the subject (or closely related to the subject) that offer their own opinion about their work.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>So I think if the YouTube attribution is made more clear, and the October 2023 source date added to the Mary Sue source, the Mary Sue-based content could be moved below the second paragraph as reasonable compromise. The Mary Sue line could look like this:<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237805129"><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>According to Rachel Leishman at <i><a href="/wiki/The_Mary_Sue" class="mw-redirect" title="The Mary Sue">The Mary Sue</a></i> in October 2023, "The trailer for the show sets it up as if she is reading comments and making a statement on what "leftists" are saying or pushing back against liberal ideals, but in reality, she just picks a topic of conversation and shares her opinions."</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>Does that sound reasonable? <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20231222062800-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20231222062800-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20231222062800-Elvisisalive95-20231222060000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700-Beccaynr-20231222062800"></span>I concur with your evaluation & that sounds reasonable to me. I am aware of The Mary Sue & every article I have read from that source has spoken negatively upon anything pertaining to The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro & Brett Cooper. That is why I took it the way i did when it was sourced. I however do realize and agree that we need secondary coverage from reliable sources to form a balance as you earlier stated. So let’s go with what you very articulately constructed. <a href="/wiki/User:Elvisisalive95" title="User:Elvisisalive95">Elvisisalive95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elvisisalive95" title="User talk:Elvisisalive95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700-Beccaynr-20231222062800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700-Beccaynr-20231222062800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700-Beccaynr-20231222062800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20231222065500-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"></span>Excellent, I will go ahead and make the changes per this discussion. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20231222065500-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20231222065500-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20231222065500-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109040600-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"></span>That "compromise" doesn't quite work though, does it? The Mary Sue is noted as "biased" on the wikipedia reliable sources list. Also, Rachel Leishman's assessment of The Comments Section is so strange that it likely just confuses the reader. She implies that Brett's show is deceptive, drawing viewers in to get a conservative female perspective on leftist topics but then switches to topical ostensibly a-political commentary. This appears to be an attempt to paint Brett and the producer(s) as deceitful but the attempt fails. Brett is a conservative female and a good bit of her show is political. Rachel's non-descript synopsis of The Comments Section is lazy and too vague to warrant inclusion. Does it not make more sense to simply use the description on the actual channel? That description being: "an irreverent viral content and news review show offering an against-the-grain, laid-back perspective on today’s culture." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240109040600-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109040600-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240109040600-Elvisisalive95-20231222063700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20240116045000-107.10.129.126-20240109040600"></span>According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIASEDSOURCES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIASEDSOURCES">WP:BIASEDSOURCES</a>, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject</q>, and attribution of the source is suggested, which is included in this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20240116045000-107.10.129.126-20240109040600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20240116045000-107.10.129.126-20240109040600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20240116045000-107.10.129.126-20240109040600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240116125300-Beccaynr-20240116045000"></span>1. The source is *not* attributed, why lie so blatantly?</dd> <dd>2. Media Matters being a biased, non-neutral source on a conservative personality's wikipedia page would be an instance where hyperpartisanship isn't "the best possible source" for information that is accurate</dd> <dd>...you are attempting to bastardize and obfuscate policy because you don't like Brett Cooper and conservatism more generally. Undignified and against actual long-held policy. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240116125300-Beccaynr-20240116045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240116125300-Beccaynr-20240116045000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240116125300-Beccaynr-20240116045000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240116130000-107.10.129.126-20240116125300"></span>Correction: I thought you were talking about Media Matters instead of The Mary Sue. Both points actually still remain intact because both sources are hyperpartisan in the same direction. As for your lie/incorrect statement: at least the Media Matters mention is *poorly attributed*, the Mary Sue mention is not attributed at all. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240116130000-107.10.129.126-20240116125300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240116130000-107.10.129.126-20240116125300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240116130000-107.10.129.126-20240116125300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beccaynr-20240116133500-107.10.129.126-20240116130000"></span>The <i>Mary Sue</i> source is and has been attributed in the article since before your comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Beccaynr" title="User:Beccaynr">Beccaynr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beccaynr" title="User talk:Beccaynr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Beccaynr-20240116133500-107.10.129.126-20240116130000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beccaynr-20240116133500-107.10.129.126-20240116130000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beccaynr-20240116133500-107.10.129.126-20240116130000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240118141200-Beccaynr-20240116133500"></span>Nope! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240118141200-Beccaynr-20240116133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240118141200-Beccaynr-20240116133500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240118141200-Beccaynr-20240116133500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C-20240513215300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"></span>What a shock, yet another call for neutrality shot down to push bias because the moderators with the power at Wikipedia strictly enforce the censorship of any view they don't agree with. The OP was asking for it to at least open with a description of the show before turning it into a hit piece... and you can't do that? Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be NEUTRAL? Why is it this long of a discussion to present the article from a neutral standpoint? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C" title="Special:Contributions/2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C">2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C-20240513215300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C-20240513215300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:246:5A83:D090:C84C:851C:120C:E06C-20240513215300-The_Comments_Section_With_Brett_Cooper"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki-20240109034800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki-20240109034800"></span>Media Matters is not a reliable source as per Wiki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki-20240109034800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Media Matters is not a reliable source as per Wiki"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109034800-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki"></span>it is not listed as a reliable source. MM has been known to take statements out of context, misrepresent information, and be heavily biased. The Media Matters portion of Brett's page should be removed or at least be attributed as per wikipedia policy. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240109034800-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109034800-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240109034800-Media_Matters_is_not_a_reliable_source_as_per_Wiki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Philipnelson99-20240109035100-107.10.129.126-20240109034800"></span>That's not exactly true. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDIAMATTERS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDIAMATTERS">This</a> says usage should be evaluated on a case by case basis and that it should be attributed. <a href="/wiki/User:Philipnelson99" title="User:Philipnelson99">Philipnelson99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Philipnelson99" title="User talk:Philipnelson99">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-Philipnelson99-20240109035100-107.10.129.126-20240109034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Philipnelson99-20240109035100-107.10.129.126-20240109034800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Philipnelson99-20240109035100-107.10.129.126-20240109034800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109041700-Philipnelson99-20240109035100"></span>Direct quote: "There is consensus that Media Matters is marginally reliable". Marginally reliable does not equal reliable. Point is that it isn't attributed here. "Left-leaning media watchdog Media Matters..." is how it should read if Media Matters is to be included at all. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126" title="Special:Contributions/107.10.129.126">107.10.129.126</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:107.10.129.126" title="User talk:107.10.129.126">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-107.10.129.126-20240109041700-Philipnelson99-20240109035100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-107.10.129.126-20240109041700-Philipnelson99-20240109035100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-107.10.129.126-20240109041700-Philipnelson99-20240109035100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13-20240629055000-107.10.129.126-20240109041700"></span>Media matters is a fake news organization <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13" title="Special:Contributions/2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13">2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)#c-2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13-20240629055000-107.10.129.126-20240109041700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13-20240629055000-107.10.129.126-20240109041700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:100F:A110:EA4B:1959:3D5:E522:EE13-20240629055000-107.10.129.126-20240109041700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_August_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_August_2024-20240820140700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_August_2024-20240820140700"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_August_2024-20240820140700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brett_Cooper_(commentator)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-64.189.18.44-20240820140700-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_20_August_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. 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