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The aim is to write <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Cite sources">well-referenced</a> articles on environment-related topics, as well as to ensure that environment articles are properly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories">categorized</a>.<br/> Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_FAQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ">Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ</a> and leave any messages at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Environment" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Environment">project talk page</a>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Environment</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Environment</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Environment articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-unknown"><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Environment_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Environment articles">???</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has not yet received a rating on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Environment/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sweden" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sweden-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sweden-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z"></span>Sweden<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sweden-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Sweden"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.55.112.24-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z-Sweden"></span>Hello folks! I just wanted to say that sweden should definitely be on this list too! There are ethanol gas stations all over the country and the swedish car manufacturers make ethanol cars for the swedish market. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/84.55.112.24" title="Special:Contributions/84.55.112.24">84.55.112.24</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.55.112.24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:84.55.112.24 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-84.55.112.24-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z-Sweden" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.55.112.24-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z-Sweden"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.55.112.24-2009-03-30T09:00:00.000Z-Sweden"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Folks, I have made the comment about ethanol being corrosive a little more specific, as those of us who drink it in concentrations up to 40% or more don't find it too corrosive. </p><p>Pete </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z"></span>Merging Ethanol with Ethanol Fuel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Merging Ethanol with Ethanol Fuel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Will_Beback-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel"></span>I think we should make this in to a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Ethanol_fuel" title="Ethanol fuel">Ethanol fuel</a> again. If you look you'll see that it also mentions methanol, but gives a much better treatment of the whole issue. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Will_Beback" title="User:Will Beback">Will Beback</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Will_Beback-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Will_Beback-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Will_Beback-2006-03-02T00:14:00.000Z-Merging_Ethanol_with_Ethanol_Fuel"></span> </p><p><br/> Yes, it would be a good idea to merge this with Ethanol biofuel. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Petercascio" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Petercascio">Peter Cascio</a> March 12, 2013 </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_from_Bioalcohol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Bioalcohol-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Bioalcohol-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z"></span>Merge from <a href="/wiki/Bioalcohol" class="mw-redirect" title="Bioalcohol">Bioalcohol</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Bioalcohol-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Merge from Bioalcohol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rifleman_82-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"></span>I propose to merge the data from <a href="/wiki/Bioalcohol" class="mw-redirect" title="Bioalcohol">Bioalcohol</a> here because there are too many scattered articles on alcohol already. The context of most biologically produced alcohol is as a petrol/diesel replacement so I think this should be a right place to be. --21:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Agree --<a href="/wiki/User:Rifleman_82" title="User:Rifleman 82">Rifleman 82</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Rifleman_82-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rifleman_82-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rifleman_82-2006-05-20T18:00:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"></span>Question: Is methanol made from the electrolysis of carbon dioxide and water a BioAlcohol? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Justbeingmyself&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Justbeingmyself (page does not exist)">Justbeingmyself</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justbeingmyself&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Justbeingmyself (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z-Merge_from_Bioalcohol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbharris-2010-11-28T01:30:00.000Z-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z"></span>No, it most certainly isn't. If (bio)photosynthesis isn't involved in the production of the alcohol, it becomes just a convenient way to transport energy (since it is made from free hydrogen in chemical plants or gizmos, instead of from free hydrogen from photosynthesis, as green plants do it). There are articles like <a href="/wiki/Methanol_economy" title="Methanol economy">methanol economy</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ethanol_economy" class="mw-redirect" title="Ethanol economy">ethanol economy</a> that make this very clear. We don't have enough land, fresh water, and sunlight to have green plants make enough alcohol for our heating and transport fuel needs. But if we had unlimited energy from other sources, be it nuke, desert solar, wind, whatever--we might well choose to use that energy to make alcohol fuels for (at least) ground transport, rather than storing it in batteries, or hydrogen. Alcohols can be used in fuel cells, too. Just think of alcohol as being captive hydrogen. It's like hydrogen, but better. If the carbon you use to make the alcohol comes out of the atmosphere, there's no difference between alcohol and hydrogen except that we can stick alcohol into our infrastructure NOW, easily, but hydrogen maybe never. <a href="/wiki/User:Sbharris" title="User:Sbharris"><span style="color:blue;">S</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Sbharris" title="User:Sbharris"><span style="color:orange;">B</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Sbharris" title="User:Sbharris">H</a><a href="/wiki/User:Sbharris" title="User:Sbharris">arris</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Sbharris-2010-11-28T01:30:00.000Z-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbharris-2010-11-28T01:30:00.000Z-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbharris-2010-11-28T01:30:00.000Z-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T01:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"><span id="Heat_of_vaporization_.28Hvap.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"></span>Heat of vaporization (Hvap)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Heat of vaporization (Hvap)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)"></span>The article claims the Hvap of methanol and ethanol are an advantage. The fuel's purpose is not to cool the engine, and it does not even vaporize until it enters the cylinder in droplet form. A high Hvap only robs heat from the combustion (lowers thermodynamic efficiency), and the <a href="/wiki/Ethanol_fuel" title="Ethanol fuel">Ethanol fuel</a> article suggest that this contributes to the problem of starting pure ethanol engines in cold weather, as flash point and heat of vaporization are not totally unrelated. </p><p>In short, I can see no reason how this is a benefit, and a source should be produced for it to stay in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Karma_Heretic" title="User:Karma Heretic">Karma Heretic</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z-Heat_of_vaporization_(Hvap)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-13T18:30:00.000Z-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"></span>I have deleted the statement. <a href="/wiki/User:Karma_Heretic" title="User:Karma Heretic">Karma Heretic</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-13T18:30:00.000Z-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-13T18:30:00.000Z-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-13T18:30:00.000Z-Karma_Heretic-2006-05-07T07:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z"></span>Ethanol used as fuel photo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Ethanol used as fuel photo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-207.161.40.203-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo"></span>This photo seems to have no relevance to alcohol fuel... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:207.161.40.203&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:207.161.40.203 (page does not exist)">207.161.40.203</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-207.161.40.203-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-207.161.40.203-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-207.161.40.203-2007-03-30T21:07:00.000Z-Ethanol_used_as_fuel_photo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Eucalyptus_in_Russia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z"><span id="Eucalyptus_in_Russia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z"></span>Eucalyptus in Russia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Eucalyptus in Russia?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-193.232.31.11-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?"></span>Folks, this plant never grew in Russia in the first place. Maybe you meant Australia? <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.232.31.11" title="Special:Contributions/193.232.31.11">193.232.31.11</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:193.232.31.11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:193.232.31.11 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-193.232.31.11-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-193.232.31.11-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-193.232.31.11-2008-03-26T14:49:00.000Z-Eucalyptus_in_Russia?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="propanol" data-mw-thread-id="h-propanol-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-propanol-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z"></span>propanol<span data-mw-comment-end="h-propanol-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: propanol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.55.84.42-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z-propanol"></span>There needs to be an article on <a href="/wiki/Propanol_fuel" class="mw-redirect" title="Propanol fuel">propanol fuel</a>, to complement the methan,ethan,butan,-ol articles. The <a href="/wiki/Propanol" title="Propanol">propanol</a> target is not so useful, since it's a dab page. The <a href="/wiki/Propan-1-ol" class="mw-redirect" title="Propan-1-ol">propan-1-ol</a> article does not contain propanol fuel, so the redirect is not particularly informative, except that it illuminates the chemical structure. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.55.84.42" title="Special:Contributions/70.55.84.42">70.55.84.42</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.55.84.42" title="User talk:70.55.84.42">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-70.55.84.42-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z-propanol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.55.84.42-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z-propanol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.55.84.42-2008-04-10T11:41:00.000Z-propanol"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel"-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z"><span id=".22primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel"-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z"></span>"primary advantage of methanol biofuel versus ethanol biofuel"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel"-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: "primary advantage of methanol biofuel versus ethanol biofuel""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel""></span>I think that we need to update the statement that the primary advantage of methanol biofuel is "its much greater well-to-wheel efficiency when produced from syngas". Something(s) about that statement rubs me the wrong way. The statement may have been appropriate years ago, but nowadays the biological value of methanol resides largely in its use as a vehicle for carbon dioxide recycling. Methanol can be produced from atmospheric carbon dioxide and water using electrolysis or enzymes, bypassing the production of intermediate syngas. Also, the term "well-to-wheel" is now outdated, because "well" refers to a crude oil well, implying the continued need for fossil fuels. We could substitute the phrase "Life Cycle Assesment". </p><p>Instead of trying to pinpoint a primary advantage of methanol biofuel over ethanol biofuel, we might just simply acknowledge that the production of methanol, being the simpler molecule, is generally the easiest and cheapest way to obtain a stable carbon biofuel that is liquid at room temperature and at atmospheric pressure, and thus suitable for use in vehicles to provide transportation. This is true regardless of the orgins of the biofuel. For example, unlike ethanol, methanol can be made from nearly any biomass, including animal waste or atmospheric carbon dioxide, and the production process will generally be more efficient and less expensive than the similar production of ethanol. Then we can also mention that with additional energy, ethanol (or gasoline, or any other carbon fuel) can be made from methanol, which generally increases the energy density of the methanol, and adds other favorable characterisitcs. The limiting factor in the production of these carbon biofuels is no longer the chemsitry, which has been researched extensively and continues to be refined. With a relatively high degree of efficiency, we can now make whatever carbon biofuel that we want from atmospheric carbon dioxide, water, and renewable electricity. Of course, it will require more energy to make these fuels than is released by these fuels--that is to be expected when recycling fuel. The limiting factor in the production of carbon biofuels is the political process which is being obstructed by the fossil fuel industry. This should be acknowledge here in print. If you have associated referrences, please post them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Justbeingmyself&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Justbeingmyself (page does not exist)">Justbeingmyself</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Justbeingmyself&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Justbeingmyself (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justbeingmyself-2010-11-28T03:32:00.000Z-"primary_advantage_of_methanol_biofuel_versus_ethanol_biofuel""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z"></span>Alcohol Fuel in Japan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Alcohol Fuel in Japan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.200.27.250-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan"></span>Seems to be extremely poorly written. I can't even understand the core points in the last and second-to-last paragraphs well enough to correct the grammar. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.200.27.250" title="Special:Contributions/74.200.27.250">74.200.27.250</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:74.200.27.250" title="User talk:74.200.27.250">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-74.200.27.250-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 7 March 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.200.27.250-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.200.27.250-2011-03-07T13:25:00.000Z-Alcohol_Fuel_in_Japan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Octane_rating?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Octane_rating?-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z"><span id="Octane_rating.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Octane_rating?-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z"></span>Octane rating?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Octane_rating?-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Octane rating?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tgm1024-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z-Octane_rating?"></span>In the opening, we should refer to this as "effective octane rating" or "high flash point" or similar. Octane, as the supplied link explains, is a different chemical.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tgm1024&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tgm1024 (page does not exist)">Tgm1024</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tgm1024" title="User talk:Tgm1024">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Tgm1024-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z-Octane_rating?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tgm1024-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z-Octane_rating?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tgm1024-2011-06-02T14:50:00.000Z-Octane_rating?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-06-30T07:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-06-30T07:44:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-06-30T07:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-06-30T07:44:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified 6 external links on <a href="/wiki/Alcohol_fuel" title="Alcohol fuel">Alcohol fuel</a>. 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class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.183.90.237" title="Special:Contributions/24.183.90.237">24.183.90.237</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.183.90.237&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.183.90.237 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-24.183.90.237-2018-03-19T14:44:00.000Z-Nonsense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.183.90.237-2018-03-19T14:44:00.000Z-Nonsense"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.183.90.237-2018-03-19T14:44:00.000Z-Nonsense"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Focus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Focus-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Focus-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Focus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Focus-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Focus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Globbet-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z-Focus"></span>This article seems to be exclusively concerned with automotive applications. Alcohol is used as fuel for other things too. <a href="/wiki/User:Globbet" title="User:Globbet">Globbet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Globbet" title="User talk:Globbet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Globbet-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z-Focus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Globbet-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z-Focus"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Globbet-2018-03-30T20:07:00.000Z-Focus"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z"><span id="What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z"></span>What is GWh in the European Union table?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: What is GWh in the European Union table?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timeshifter-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?"></span>"Consumption of Bioethanol (GWh)" is the table caption. --<a href="/wiki/User:Timeshifter" title="User:Timeshifter"><b>Timeshifter</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timeshifter" title="User talk:Timeshifter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Timeshifter-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timeshifter-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timeshifter-2021-05-18T07:05:00.000Z-What_is_GWh_in_the_European_Union_table?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Narrow_article_for_its_title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Narrow_article_for_its_title-20230328143800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Narrow_article_for_its_title-20230328143800"></span>Narrow article for its title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Narrow_article_for_its_title-20230328143800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Narrow article for its title"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Autokefal_Dialytiker-20230328143800-Narrow_article_for_its_title"></span>Today I showed up here because I was curious about alcohol as a fuel <i>outside</i> of internal-combustion engines (more specifically cooking and heating) - and I find an article that sounds right, but is limited to, essentially, two alcohols' usage as car fuel. </p><p>I suggest we should be thinking about giving this article a more specific name, and writing the actual article this article's name <i>suggests</i>... <a href="/wiki/User:Autokefal_Dialytiker" title="User:Autokefal Dialytiker">Autokefal Dialytiker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Autokefal_Dialytiker" title="User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alcohol_fuel#c-Autokefal_Dialytiker-20230328143800-Narrow_article_for_its_title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Autokefal_Dialytiker-20230328143800-Narrow_article_for_its_title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Autokefal_Dialytiker-20230328143800-Narrow_article_for_its_title"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&oldid=1258759343">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Alcohol_fuel&oldid=1258759343</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_energy_articles" title="Category:B-Class energy articles">B-Class energy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_energy_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance energy articles">Mid-importance energy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:B-Class_Environment_articles" title="Category:B-Class Environment articles">B-Class Environment articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Environment_articles" title="Category:Unknown-importance Environment articles">Unknown-importance Environment articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 November 2024, at 13:34<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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