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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Merge-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge&quot;,&quot;c-Evey5393-2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z-Merge&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Merge&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Merge&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge"></span>This article is stubby and incomplete, and <a href="/wiki/List_of_contributors_to_the_Encyclop%C3%A9die" class="mw-redirect" title="List of contributors to the Encyclopédie">List of contributors to the Encyclopédie</a> has less than a bare minimum of explanatory text at the top - how about moving the list material to this article? <a href="/wiki/User:Squiddy" title="User:Squiddy">Squiddy</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squiddy" title="User talk:Squiddy"><small>(squirt ink?)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Squiddy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge","replies":["c-Squiddy-2007-01-16T23:49:00.000Z-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z-Merge"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squiddy-2007-01-16T23:49:00.000Z-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z"></span>In the face of overwhelming public indifference, I have been bold and done it. <a href="/wiki/User:Squiddy" title="User:Squiddy">Squiddy</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squiddy" title="User talk:Squiddy"><small>(squirt ink?)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Squiddy-2007-01-16T23:49:00.000Z-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squiddy-2007-01-16T23:49:00.000Z-Squiddy-2007-01-07T15:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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I hope I am following the guidelines appropriately. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Evey5393&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Evey5393 (page does not exist)">Evey5393</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Evey5393&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Evey5393 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Evey5393-2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z-Merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evey5393-2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z-Merge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Evey5393","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Evey5393-2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z-Merge","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evey5393-2016-03-23T22:46:00.000Z-Merge"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Move&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Move&quot;}--><h2 id="Move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z"></span>Move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move","timestamp":"2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Move-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Move&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Move&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move"></span>I suggest we move this to <a href="/wiki/Philosophes" title="Philosophes">Philosophes</a>. Thats what they called themselves. <a href="/wiki/User:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tourskin">Tourskin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tourskin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tourskin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z","author":"Tourskin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tourskin-2008-02-16T06:09:00.000Z-Move"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Source_and_reference-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z-Source_and_reference&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Source and reference&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Source and reference&quot;}--><h2 id="Source_and_reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Source_and_reference-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Source_and_reference-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Source and reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Source_and_reference-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Source_and_reference-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z-Source_and_reference&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Source and reference&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Source and reference&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z-Source_and_reference"></span>The article currently refers to claims made by some one named Frank Kafker who doesn't seem to have earned enough interest, notoriety, credibility or fame for an article of his own, thus I think it would be appropriate to refer to the source of this claim if it is to be left in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Bjorn.Persson" title="User:Bjorn.Persson">Bjorn.Persson</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bjorn.Persson&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Bjorn.Persson (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z-Source_and_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z-Source_and_reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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That an author is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a> is not necessarily connected to whether that author is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>. Regardless, it's unnecessary and maybe undue to include an attributed statement like that given such a tiny amount of text, I think. The current article is kind of embarrassing considering the influence these people have on Wikipedia. It's been on my to do list for a while now. Would you care to take a stab at another formulation of the lead? — <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:Rhododendrites" title="User:Rhododendrites"><span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span></a> <sup style="font-size:80%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rhododendrites" title="User talk:Rhododendrites">talk</a></sup></span> \\ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Rhododendrites-2015-04-28T13:00:00.000Z-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 28 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rhododendrites-2015-04-28T13:00:00.000Z-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-28T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Rhododendrites","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rhododendrites-2015-04-28T13:00:00.000Z-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rhododendrites-2015-04-28T13:00:00.000Z-Bjorn.Persson-2015-04-27T21:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Still stubby&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Still stubby&quot;}--><h2 id="Still_stubby" data-mw-thread-id="h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Still stubby<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Still stubby"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:23:00.000Z-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z","timestamp":"2020-02-13T02:23:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Still_stubby-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Still stubby&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Still stubby&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby"></span>The article still has far from adequate coverage of this important intellectual undertaking, which massively influenced the course of thinking of the educated classes over the next century, and to which we owe many of our present attitudes, conventions, conveniences and institutions. </p><p>We need more factual content. For example: </p> <ul><li>How about a few more statistics, e.g. How many articles in all? How many by women authors? Proportion of women authors? Some demographics on the authors' origins and affiliations?</li> <li>How about a few more quotations from historians of thought testifying to the influence of the whole enterprise? To the reactions against it, and by whom and what institutions?</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">yoyo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z","author":"Yahya Abdal-Aziz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby","replies":["c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:23:00.000Z-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"yoyo"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z-Still_stubby"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:23:00.000Z-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z"></span>The following Oxford Reference item might be useful:<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>. <a href="/wiki/User:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">yoyo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yahya_Abdal-Aziz" title="User talk:Yahya Abdal-Aziz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Encyclop%C3%A9distes#c-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:23:00.000Z-Yahya_Abdal-Aziz-2020-02-13T02:18:00.000Z" 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