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This article shares why the tool is great for this kind of work, when to use it, how to use it, and important considerations for implementation.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Product Management</div><a href="/blog/can-miro-be-used-for-project-management-a-comprehensive-guide-for-leveraging-miro-as-a-product-manager" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/668ef138c434b15bea952cf1_Crema%20Branding%202022%20_%20Adri%20Guyer%20Photo%20372.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">Can Miro Be Used for Product Management?</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/615e09f1c4f40540cb8a26da_Julie.jpg")" class="author-bio-image hide"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">Julie Branson</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small w-condition-invisible">Julie Branson</div></a><div class="text-size-small text-color-secondary">Jul 10, 2024</div></div></div></div><div data-w-id="dd873092-19db-0631-1b78-e3106c364416" role="listitem" class="blog_preview-card w-dyn-item"><p fs-cmsfilter-field="summary" class="fs-hidden-filter">Choosing the right ticketing system is key for MSSPs. 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UX Audits can help businesses understand opportunities for improvement, sources of unnecessary friction, and features that might need to be fixed to meet certain standards. These are all ways that a UX Audit can help modernize a product and identify top priorities for a redesign. </p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Product Design</div><a href="/blog/what-is-a-ux-audit-for-enterprise-teams" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/664e550d752ff6713e6322cf_Crema%20Branding%202022%20_%20Adri%20Guyer%20Photo%20112.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">What is a UX Audit?</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:none" class="author-bio-image hide w-condition-invisible"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small w-dyn-bind-empty"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">Larissa McCarty</div></a><div class="text-size-small text-color-secondary">May 22, 2024</div></div></div></div><div data-w-id="dd873092-19db-0631-1b78-e3106c364416" role="listitem" class="blog_preview-card w-dyn-item"><p fs-cmsfilter-field="summary" class="fs-hidden-filter">From bid management to project execution, the right digital tools can revolutionize workflows, enhance collaboration, and drive efficiencies throughout every phase of a construction project. In this article, we'll delve into the key features and benefits of some of the top construction management solutions.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Client Resources</div><a href="/blog/the-top-5-pre-construction-tools-of-2024" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/662679820f2a0df5b10042ca_Engineering-concept-518539-min.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">The Top 5 Pre-Construction Tools of 2024</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:none" class="author-bio-image hide w-condition-invisible"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small w-dyn-bind-empty"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">Larissa McCarty</div></a><div class="text-size-small text-color-secondary">Apr 22, 2024</div></div></div></div><div data-w-id="dd873092-19db-0631-1b78-e3106c364416" role="listitem" class="blog_preview-card w-dyn-item"><p fs-cmsfilter-field="summary" class="fs-hidden-filter">Technology is often seen as a necessary evil. 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Addressing challenges in sales and pre-construction to prevent them from spilling over into construction operations is a top priority for ambitious firms looking to scale.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Client Resources</div><a href="/blog/better-pre-con-tech-leads-to-52-profitability-boost" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/660adf97e5c704b38ad848f4_Crop-engineers-browsing-tablet-537180-min.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">Better Pre-Con Tech Leads to 52% Profitability Boost</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/66fdb8a9aaf78ae6059b65a5_Screenshot%202024-10-02%20at%204.17.14%E2%80%AFPM.png")" class="author-bio-image hide"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">Nate Olson</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small w-condition-invisible">Nate Olson</div></a><div class="text-size-small text-color-secondary">Apr 1, 2024</div></div></div></div><div data-w-id="dd873092-19db-0631-1b78-e3106c364416" role="listitem" class="blog_preview-card w-dyn-item"><p fs-cmsfilter-field="summary" class="fs-hidden-filter">Scale your service company beyond billable hours. 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Learn to productize services, package knowledge, and build scalable solutions.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Consulting</div><a href="/blog/3-ways-to-productize-professional-services-and-scale-your-service-based-business" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/65e6437e1f4ff85ec0d4004f_0X5A6359.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">3 Ways to Productize Professional Services</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/679a4e5e603f34be4cb66262_AD9A0138-min.jpg")" class="author-bio-image hide"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">George Brooks</div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small w-condition-invisible">George Brooks</div></a><div class="text-size-small text-color-secondary">Mar 4, 2024</div></div></div></div><div data-w-id="dd873092-19db-0631-1b78-e3106c364416" role="listitem" class="blog_preview-card w-dyn-item"><p fs-cmsfilter-field="summary" class="fs-hidden-filter">Crema partnered with ArtsKC to launch The Drop, creating a seamless ecosystem for arts and culture communities and participating organizations.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">News</div><a href="/blog/crema-partners-with-artskc-to-support-the-launch-of-its-latest-pilot-program" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/65a013f6a5544ff7c8fce888_90644EE1-77F9-4F14-A77C-C2005E2A82C2.JPG")" 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Thinking in Bets, helping product leaders tackle everyday challenges effectively.</p><div fs-cmsfilter-field="categories" class="fs-hidden-filter">Consulting</div><a href="/blog/the-better-bets-canvas-for-product-leaders" class="blog-link-wrapper preview w-inline-block"><div class="blog_preview_imagewrapper"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/653948774b60a75107e91a5f_edge2edge-media-uKlneQRwaxY-unsplash.jpg")" class="blog-item-image"></div></div><h6 class="bottom-margin-16">The Better Bets Canvas for Product Leaders</h6></a><div class="blog-information-wrapper"><div class="flex-horizontal justify-spacebetween align-center"><a href="#" class="blog_author-wrapper w-inline-block"><div style="background-image:url("https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5b6b50e79e9b6f7d0d3959a2/679a4cc51eef66263b34f2da_AD9A1057.jpg")" class="author-bio-image hide"></div><div fs-cmsfilter-field="authors" class="text-size-small">by</div><div 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