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The result of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_12#Template:Chant" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 April 12">discussion</a></b> was "<b>no consensus</b>".</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notes-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notes-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z"></span>Notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notes-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Notes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z-Notes"></span>The reason why I changed this from "Template:Christian pop" to this is because Christian pop doesn't include all the subgenres of "Christian". <a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl">EdGl</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z-Notes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z-Notes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T22:55:00.000Z-Notes"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T23:21:00.000Z-Notes"></span>I'm working on fixing all the <a href="/wiki/Double_redirect" class="mw-redirect" title="Double redirect">double redirects</a> and I'm almost done. <a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl">EdGl</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2006-05-26T23:21:00.000Z-Notes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T23:21:00.000Z-Notes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2006-05-26T23:21:00.000Z-Notes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z"><span id="Australian_influence_on_Christian_music.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z"></span>Australian influence on Christian music?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Australian influence on Christian music?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walter_Görlitz-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?"></span>I would argue that CCM is mostly American in origin. Even the Jesus Music page would say that. Currently, Australia is the second largest influence, but pales in comparison to the US and they don't really deserve a place on the template. Even the Newsboys had to leave Australia to make it big. --<a href="/wiki/User:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz" title="User:Walter Görlitz">Walter Görlitz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Walter_Görlitz-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walter_Görlitz-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walter_Görlitz-2006-12-22T00:48:00.000Z-Australian_influence_on_Christian_music?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unblack_metal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unblack_metal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unblack_metal"></span>Unblack metal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unblack_metal"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Unblack metal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Should <a href="/wiki/Unblack_metal" title="Unblack metal">Unblack metal</a> be included in the subgenres? <span style="color:blue;"><b>Jerry</b></span><span style="color:red;"><small><sup>teps</sup></small></span> 23:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z"><span id="OR_.26_irrelevant_material_in_the_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z"></span>OR & irrelevant material in the template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: OR & irrelevant material in the template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hrafn-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template"></span>Could somebody please give a source for the claims that <a href="/wiki/Christian_music" title="Christian music">Christian music</a>: </p> <ul><li>is "A variety of genres evolving from Jesus music."</li> <li>has its "Cultural origins" in "1960s United States"</li> <li>has as its "Typical instruments[,] Electric guitar, Bass guitar, Drums, Keyboard, Synthesizers" (and why this is notably different from modern music more generally)</li> <li>Has had "Continuous" "Mainstream popularity" "from [the] 1990s"</li></ul> <p>None of this appears to be stated, let alone sourced, in the main article on this topic, so this template appears to be mostly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>. <span style="font-family:Antiqua, serif;"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Hrafn" title="User:Hrafn">Hrafn</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrafn" title="User talk:Hrafn">Talk</a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hrafn" title="Special:Contributions/Hrafn">Stalk</a></sub></i><sup>(<b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Precisionism" class="extiw" title="m:Precisionism">P</a></b>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Hrafn-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hrafn-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hrafn-2009-02-03T17:55:00.000Z-OR_&_irrelevant_material_in_the_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span>merge to <a href="/wiki/Template:Christian_music_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Christian music articles">Template:Christian music articles</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: merge to Template:Christian music articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span>This template seems to be similar to <a href="/wiki/Template:Christian_music_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Christian music articles">Template:Christian music articles</a>. Although this template claims to be "Christian music" it only covers a small subset of Christian music, geographically, historically and culturally, so its title is inaccurate. While 'Template:Christian music articles' has a similar flaw, it seems to have (and this template seems to lack) the inherent structure and capability to be expanded, using nested templates, that would address this problem. I suggest that we begin to phase out this template, and develop 'Template:Christian music articles' more fully, migrating articles across to the latter. <a href="/wiki/User:Feline_Hymnic" title="User:Feline Hymnic">Feline Hymnic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feline_Hymnic" title="User talk:Feline Hymnic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span>I checked the other <a href="/wiki/Category:Music_genre_templates" title="Category:Music genre templates">music genre templates</a> and they match the format of <a href="/wiki/Template:Christian_music_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Christian music articles">Template:Christian music articles</a> so we should follow suit and keep that one. However, the name "Template:Christian music" is better than "Template:Christian music articles" (better meaning shorter, more accurate, and conforming to other music genre templates) so we should take "Template:Christian music articles" and move it here after deleting this one. Doesn't seem like we have to merge anything, really, since the other one is more detailed. <b><a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl"><span style="color:darkslategray; font-size:medium; font-family:Old English Text MT;">~EdGl</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdGl" title="User talk:EdGl">(talk)</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hrafn-2009-03-01T04:45:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"></span>Support EdGl's suggestion, with the provision that, as the current template 'here' is a sidebar, and <a href="/wiki/Template:Christian_music_articles" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Christian music articles">Template:Christian music articles</a> is a footer, all current <a href="/wiki/Template:Christian_music" title="Template:Christian music">Template:Christian music</a> usages would need to be repositioned accordingly. <span style="font-family:Antiqua, serif;"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Hrafn" title="User:Hrafn">Hrafn</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrafn" title="User talk:Hrafn">Talk</a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hrafn" title="Special:Contributions/Hrafn">Stalk</a></sub></i><sup>(<b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Precisionism" class="extiw" title="m:Precisionism">P</a></b>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Hrafn-2009-03-01T04:45:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hrafn-2009-03-01T04:45:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hrafn-2009-03-01T04:45:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T06:27:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"></span>That is a great point. Since this template is used only 14 times in article namespace (and just slightly more than 100x total) it shouldn't be that hard (or take too long) to do this. <b><a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl"><span style="color:darkslategray; font-size:medium; font-family:Old English Text MT;">~EdGl</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdGl" title="User talk:EdGl">(talk)</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2009-03-01T06:27:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T06:27:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T06:27:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T00:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T10:48:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Yes, ultimately a rename, and work on transition in the articles from sidebar to footer. Glad to see that we are agreed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Feline_Hymnic" title="User:Feline Hymnic">Feline Hymnic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feline_Hymnic" title="User talk:Feline Hymnic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T10:48:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T10:48:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T10:48:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2009-03-01T22:08:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span>Merge</b> They exist for the same purpose. No preference on the name or format - whatever is fine with me. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Royalbroil-2009-03-01T22:08:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2009-03-01T22:08:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2009-03-01T22:08:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-01T00:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span>(This is consensus enough (unanimous currently) so you can start the merge when ready.) <b><a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl"><span style="color:darkslategray; font-size:medium; font-family:Old English Text MT;">~EdGl</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdGl" title="User talk:EdGl">(talk)</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z"></span>Done. During the last few days I have tried to ensure that references to the poor template (which had been called the good name "...music") were removed, and that such articles now included links to the good template (which had been called the poorer name "...music articles"). We now have a single template with the (good) footer-based content, the good name "...music" and edit history preserved. <a href="/wiki/User:Feline_Hymnic" title="User:Feline Hymnic">Feline Hymnic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feline_Hymnic" title="User talk:Feline Hymnic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z-EdGl-2009-03-01T22:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EdGl-2009-03-06T21:33:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z"></span>Well done :) <a href="/wiki/User:EdGl" title="User:EdGl"><span style="color:green; font-size:medium; font-family:Magneto;"><b>~EdGl</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EdGl" title="User talk:EdGl"><span style="color:orange; font-family:Magneto;">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-EdGl-2009-03-06T21:33:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EdGl-2009-03-06T21:33:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EdGl-2009-03-06T21:33:00.000Z-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:43:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span>Give the credit to <a href="/wiki/User:NawlinWiki" title="User:NawlinWiki">User:NawlinWiki</a>. The actual move needed Wikipedia admin rights (discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Feline_Hymnic" title="User:Feline Hymnic">Feline Hymnic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feline_Hymnic" title="User talk:Feline Hymnic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Christian_music#c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:43:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:43:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feline_Hymnic-2009-03-06T21:43:00.000Z-merge_to_Template:Christian_music_articles"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&oldid=1229075096">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Christian_music&oldid=1229075096</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Christianity_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Christianity pages">Template-Class Christianity pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Christianity_pages" title="Category:NA-importance Christianity pages">NA-importance Christianity pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Christian_music_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Christian music pages">Template-Class Christian music pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Christian_music_pages" title="Category:NA-importance Christian music pages">NA-importance Christian music pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Christianity_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Christianity articles">WikiProject Christianity articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_music_genre_pages" title="Category:Template-Class music genre pages">Template-Class music genre pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Music_genres_task_force_articles" title="Category:Music genres task force articles">Music genres task force articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 14 June 2024, at 18:29<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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