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margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa"> <dl><dd><bdi lang="en"><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lymantria-20230104073800"></span>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-destructive, #d73333)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.</i></bdi> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg/18px-Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg/27px-Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg/36px-Art%C3%ADculo_bueno.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Approved</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Lymantria" title="User:Lymantria">Lymantria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lymantria" title="User talk:Lymantria"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-Lymantria-20230104073800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lymantria-20230104073800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lymantria-20230104073800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dexbot_16" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dexbot_16-20221225162600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dexbot_16-20221225162600"></span><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Dexbot 16</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dexbot_16-20221225162600"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Dexbot 16"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Dexbot" title="User:Dexbot"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ladsgroup-20221225162600-Dexbot_16"></span>Dexbot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dexbot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dexbot">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dexbot" title="Special:Contributions/Dexbot">contribs</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Dexbot&namespace=0&newOnly=1">new items</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Dexbot&namespace=146&newOnly=1">new lexemes</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Dexbot" title="Special:CentralAuth/Dexbot">SUL</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Dexbot">Block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&page=User:Dexbot">User rights log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/Dexbot&user-reason=">User rights</a> • <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/wikidata.org?user=Dexbot">xtools</a></span>)</span><br/> <b>Operator:</b> <span id="Ladsgroup"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Ladsgroup" title="User:Ladsgroup">Ladsgroup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ladsgroup" title="User talk:Ladsgroup">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ladsgroup" title="Special:Contributions/Ladsgroup">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Ladsgroup" title="Special:Log/Ladsgroup">logs</a>) </p><p><b>Task/s:</b> Delete empty items </p><p><b>Code:</b> <a class="external free" href="https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/ladsgroup/dexbot/-/tree/main/empty_item_deleter">https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/ladsgroup/dexbot/-/tree/main/empty_item_deleter</a> </p><p><b>Function details:</b> More details in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2022/12#Admin_Bot_Proposal:_Deleting_Empty_Items" title="Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2022/12">Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2022/12#Admin_Bot_Proposal:_Deleting_Empty_Items</a>. First it notifies the only non-bot editor and then deletes it after 72 hours if it doesn't improve. Some examples of notifications <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5tebe14znl2kg" title="Topic:X9g5tebe14znl2kg">Topic:X9g5tebe14znl2kg</a> <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5s70g2z75t40m" title="Topic:X9g5s70g2z75t40m">Topic:X9g5s70g2z75t40m</a> <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5ruzd4y6gutgj" title="Topic:X9g5ruzd4y6gutgj">Topic:X9g5ruzd4y6gutgj</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795708128" title="Special:Diff/1795708128">Special:Diff/1795708128</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795708249" title="Special:Diff/1795708249">Special:Diff/1795708249</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795707904" title="Special:Diff/1795707904">Special:Diff/1795707904</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795707743" title="Special:Diff/1795707743">Special:Diff/1795707743</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795707383" title="Special:Diff/1795707383">Special:Diff/1795707383</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795707290" title="Special:Diff/1795707290">Special:Diff/1795707290</a> <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5p1xrlsmgx42q" title="Topic:X9g5p1xrlsmgx42q">Topic:X9g5p1xrlsmgx42q</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795707021" title="Special:Diff/1795707021">Special:Diff/1795707021</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795706299" title="Special:Diff/1795706299">Special:Diff/1795706299</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1795704614" title="Special:Diff/1795704614">Special:Diff/1795704614</a> </p><p>Cc. <a href="/wiki/User:BrokenSegue" title="User:BrokenSegue">User:BrokenSegue</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Lymantria" title="User:Lymantria">User:Lymantria</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Ladsgroup" title="User:Ladsgroup">Amir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ladsgroup" title="User talk:Ladsgroup"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-Ladsgroup-20221225162600-Dexbot_16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 25 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ladsgroup-20221225162600-Dexbot_16"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ladsgroup-20221225162600-Dexbot_16"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrokenSegue-20221225180600-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"></span>I'm reading the code and I'm not sure about one thing. What does it do if there is an inbound link to the item but it's from a redirect. Optimally the redirect would also be deleted assuming it also meets the deletion criteria. If it doesn't meet the deletion criteria then original item probably shouldn't be deleted. I'm guessing at the moment it just doesn't delete at all (which is an ok default)? <a href="/wiki/User:BrokenSegue" title="User:BrokenSegue">BrokenSegue</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrokenSegue" title="User talk:BrokenSegue"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-BrokenSegue-20221225180600-Ladsgroup-20221225162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrokenSegue-20221225180600-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrokenSegue-20221225180600-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MisterSynergy-20221225182200-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> generally for the idea; the user notification should be opt-in or at least allow opt-out, since not all users are going to be interested in these notifications. I also think that the deletion script linked above looks eerily simple (e.g. no backlinks being checked if I do not miss anything), so wrong deletions seem possible. —<a href="/wiki/User:MisterSynergy" title="User:MisterSynergy">MisterSynergy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MisterSynergy" title="User talk:MisterSynergy"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-MisterSynergy-20221225182200-Ladsgroup-20221225162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MisterSynergy-20221225182200-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MisterSynergy-20221225182200-Ladsgroup-20221225162600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GZWDer-20221225201300-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span>You may want to combine multiple notification to the same user within one day. <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-GZWDer-20221225201300-MisterSynergy-20221225182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 25 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GZWDer-20221225201300-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GZWDer-20221225201300-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ladsgroup-20221226072200-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MisterSynergy" title="User:MisterSynergy">MisterSynergy</a>: regarding "no backlinks being checked if I do not miss anything" <a class="external free" href="https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/ladsgroup/dexbot/-/blob/main/empty_item_deleter/handle_item.py#L14">https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/ladsgroup/dexbot/-/blob/main/empty_item_deleter/handle_item.py#L14</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ladsgroup" title="User:Ladsgroup">Amir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ladsgroup" title="User talk:Ladsgroup"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-Ladsgroup-20221226072200-MisterSynergy-20221225182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 26 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ladsgroup-20221226072200-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ladsgroup-20221226072200-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ladsgroup-20221227104000-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BrokenSegue" title="User:BrokenSegue">BrokenSegue</a> That can be done in the next step. I rather do one thing at a time. @<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> I rather do small batches rather than complicating the code and add a lot of work to the people being notified. There is no rush cleaning these up. <a href="/wiki/User:Ladsgroup" title="User:Ladsgroup">Amir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ladsgroup" title="User talk:Ladsgroup"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-Ladsgroup-20221227104000-MisterSynergy-20221225182200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ladsgroup-20221227104000-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ladsgroup-20221227104000-MisterSynergy-20221225182200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GZWDer-20221227115900-Ladsgroup-20221227104000"></span>What I mean: do not send a large number of individual notifications to one user, which will spam users' talk page and user notification. For example, instead of <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5p1xrlsmgx42q" title="Topic:X9g5p1xrlsmgx42q">two</a> <a href="/wiki/Topic:X9g5ruzd4y6gutgj" title="Topic:X9g5ruzd4y6gutgj">topics</a>, you may said "the following items that you have edited (and you are the only non-bot editor) are considered empty: * Qxxx * Qyyy" <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-GZWDer-20221227115900-Ladsgroup-20221227104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GZWDer-20221227115900-Ladsgroup-20221227104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GZWDer-20221227115900-Ladsgroup-20221227104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ladsgroup-20221230175200-GZWDer-20221227115900"></span>I still prefer two separate messages and again, it won't happen much. <a href="/wiki/User:Ladsgroup" title="User:Ladsgroup">Amir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ladsgroup" title="User talk:Ladsgroup"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Dexbot_16#c-Ladsgroup-20221230175200-GZWDer-20221227115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ladsgroup-20221230175200-GZWDer-20221227115900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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