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href="/wiki/%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87" title="香港语文">香港语文</a>，本文不是介绍<a href="/wiki/%E7%B2%B5%E8%AA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="粤语">粤语</a>或<a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E5%B7%9E%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="广州话">广州话</a>，而是订明定义与各方理解，请善意修改，不要回退。—<a href="/wiki/User:Mokaw" title="User:Mokaw">Mokaw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mokaw" title="User talk:Mokaw">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2009年4月9日 (四) 05:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z"></span>对你前半句观点，我深表赞同。对于后半句话，我有话说。本条目本该秉持中立的观点，然经过后面一些白话自大狂的修改后，基本成为粤语的另一条目，更有甚至，里面充斥了对客家人潮汕人的贬低，令人无法卒读，这是我之所以回退该条目的原因。修改不意味着进步，内容繁多不意味着丰富，参杂私货，反会令条目面目全非。广东话的三大体系，具体展开在各自条目进行即可，而不必鸠占雀巢，如祥林嫂般把本条目变成为自大者自身族群的另一个条目，更不能为了自圆其说而不惜中伤兄弟族群。白话自大狂们，让他们的方言充斥了各种条目，比如“白话”“粤语”“广州话”等等，他们的恶劣行为，在“广东人”之类的条目也曾经体现。无法理解，同为中国人，同为汉民族，更同为岭南人，却要做亲痛仇快的事情！</dd> <dd>事实上，“广东人”这种条目本就没有存在的必要，其它兄弟省份并不存在如此无聊的重复条目。而所谓“白话”，“粤语”，“广州话”这种内容重叠相当严重的条目，完全有整合的必要。浪费维基百科的资源，浪费各地网友的时间精力，这正是那些白话自大狂的杰作以及造成的可笑结果<small>—以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8D%E8%A9%B1%E9%A0%81%E4%B8%8A%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:在对话页上签名">未签名</a>的留言由<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:75.180.43.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:75.180.43.236（页面不存在）">75.180.43.236</a>（<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.180.43.236&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:75.180.43.236（页面不存在）">对话</a>｜<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/75.180.43.236" title="Special:用户贡献/75.180.43.236">贡献</a>）加入。</small> <dl><dd>这位仁兄，请时刻注意您的言词。大家都是同胞、都算老乡，首先自我就要做到大度。文化研究是无止境的，看问题呢心态最重要。如此激动，阁下这番又是何必咧～！—<a href="/wiki/User:Gzyeah" title="User:Gzyeah">Gzyeah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gzyeah" title="User talk:Gzyeah">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2009年8月29日 (六) 20:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-Mokaw-2009-04-09T05:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<p>看过rich4兄的高论，小弟很受教益。未听过“广东话”这一提法想必是我孤陋寡闻，此说见于何书，万望赐教。但还是有一点，窃以为把广东话等同于广州话是不够准确的。小弟是广东清远人，母语是粤方言的一支，与广州话有共通处但不是广州话。然而，她的使用者除了称之为白话之外还用到广东话这一名称。这倒不是出于近年来香港媒体的宣传，就本人而言，是得自外祖母处。我由此相信广东话之名由来已久，而不是一种时髦的叫法。其指称的范围也不限于广州话（至于香港话一词，我在广东极少听说，香港人自身也不用，反而在北方偶有听闻），而恐怕是白话的同义词。另外，清远境内也有客家话分布，无论自称、他称都是客家话，少数称ngai话，若将之称为广东话，我的客家朋友们恐怕是要抗议的。<br/> --<a href="/wiki/User:Edward_Wong" title="User:Edward Wong">Edward Wong</a> 15:45 2005年10月10日 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>不好意思一直没看见，还望见谅。</dd> <dd>我从没有把广东话等同于广州话，恰恰相反我很反感这种混淆的方法。我撰写的“广东话在日常生活中常特指粤语广州音”这句，是指在大多数情况下非方言爱好者习惯如此，并不代表不能代表粤语其它口音或广东其它方言。即使有如“粤语”这个有严格定义的词，在日常生活中也常特指广州音，以至于有些四邑片使用者认为自己的母语不叫“粤语”。至于你说的“恐怕是白话的同义词”可是白话往往也特指广州音啊。</dd> <dd>“若将之称为广东话，我的客家朋友们恐怕是要抗议的。”这个正是近二三十年来“广东话=广州话”的媒体渲染所致。在以前，不会有这种情况的-- 以前的广东客家不会特别的自称广东话，但肯定不会否认自属广东话，就像不会否认自属中国话一样。特别的，是在清末“粤语”“客家”的称谓产生之前，人们对“广东话”的印象往往就是源自广东的客家话，就好像今天人们对“广东话”的印象来自香港媒体一样。--<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 01:58:43 2005年11月10日 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="东南亚历史上的使用情况" data-mw-thread-id="h-东南亚历史上的使用情况"><span id=".E4.B8.9C.E5.8D.97.E4.BA.9A.E5.8E.86.E5.8F.B2.E4.B8.8A.E7.9A.84.E4.BD.BF.E7.94.A8.E6.83.85.E5.86.B5"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-东南亚历史上的使用情况"></span>东南亚历史上的使用情况<span data-mw-comment-end="h-东南亚历史上的使用情况"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=3" title="编辑章节：东南亚历史上的使用情况"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <pre>转移自<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:222.164.168.38&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:222.164.168.38（页面不存在）">User_talk:222.164.168.38</a> </pre> <p><i>关于更多的讨论未实时转移，请见<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:222.164.168.38&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:222.164.168.38（页面不存在）">User_talk:222.164.168.38</a></i> </p><p>在东南亚，据我的资料是，历史上并未专称粤语。如果你有其它的资料，请告知，谢谢。<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> </p> <dl><dd>这不对，在海外情况不同，这里不受大陆媒体影响，而且一般自移民以来（至少5代之移民）都有自己固定的称谓。</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>和我掌握的情况不一样，我所掌握的情况是历史记载广东<a href="/wiki/%E5%98%89%E6%87%89%E5%B7%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="嘉应州">嘉应州</a>的移民操<b>广东话</b>。关于历史上的使用情况，作存疑处理，即不予表述，如何？</dd> <dd>另：和大陆媒体没什么关系，和香港媒体有关。--<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 08:33:07 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>看来您掌握还不怎么好，在海外，广东人（一至二十年代前或较迟）一般籍贯在广东南部几大县，但然也有广府周边几大县（主要在大马），客家（一般自称客家或客人)和潮汕（一般自称为潮州或Teochew）都有自己的固定称谓。这和香港媒体没关系。 <dl><dd>我祖籍在<a href="/wiki/%E6%BD%AE%E5%B7%9E%E5%BA%9C" title="潮州府">潮州府</a>客家地区，祖父就是大马归侨，怎么会不清楚？请查询一下贵国总理的籍贯，他是和我同一县的。 <a href="/wiki/%E7%B2%A4%E4%B8%9C" title="粤东">粤东</a>客家人在19世纪就大规模的向东南亚移民，当时还没有“客家话”这个称为，你所谓的“一般自移民以来（至少5代之移民）都有自己固定的称谓。”不成立，至少客家是换过称谓的。<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 09:00:03 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>谁告诉你19世纪少数移民的时候没这个称谓的，要是这样的话海外客家岂不都是称自己为广东人了。不成立？你看着办吧。 <dl><dd>多读书，慎言。“客家”一词，是十九世纪中晚期土客械斗后才兴起的，以前没有这个称谓。二十世纪以前，客家是称广东人还是某市人，有待考证，但绝不可能称客家人，因为根本没这个词。另：在东南亚，与客家、闽南、潮汕相比，粤语族群才是少数族群。而且粤语族群还分台山人和广肇人，两者合流是很晚的事情。<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 09:13:09 2005年11月18日 (UTC)</dd> <dd>关于历史上有争议，我已经就实写进去了，以后查明资料后，再予确定。你以上的发言，说明你尽管在新加坡，但对东南亚华人的移民史有所欠缺，很多说法都是主管的臆测，在这种情况下，我认为你不适宜随意更改“当代”的说法。<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 09:20:36 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>试问阁下祖父大马哪里人？我怎么就没听过有大马人移民到深圳的。另外，“客家”至少在清代就有了，在《广东通志》明确记载了“相传建邑时，自福建来此者曰客家。”，当然这是广东人给的名称。 <dl><dd>深圳是我现居的城市，并不代表我出生在深圳。我祖父是在抗战回广东的，我不清楚在大马什么地方。请查询一下<a href="/wiki/%E5%AE%A2%E5%AE%B6" class="mw-redirect" title="客家">客家</a>条目，“客家”一词远在秦代就有了，但是作为民系的通用称呼，是在清末。你把“== 请不要随便更改“当代”的说法 == ”直接删除，这不是应有的礼仪吧？还有，你不顾讨论，多次去掉“当代”，这样的编辑态度好吗？<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 09:44:00 2005年11月18日 (UTC)</dd> <dd><b>“本处有删除，原因：侵犯版权且无关内容”</b> <dl><dd>你是不是大马移民还有待考验，总之你对这里情况不清楚，我只管说海外，另外“客家”在秦代是没有的，这里指的是“主客户”一般类似情况，而且都指北方地区新移民（已搬迁到北方另一个地区），不过“客家”在大规模移民东南亚的时候就有了。所以和你说的不符合，还有你所给的数据也不能成立，在大马一般客家都不说客家话的，尤其在吉隆坡，马来西亚人说华语都有很重的粤语口音。 <dl><dd>我什么时候成大马移民了，我祖父是大马归侨，仅此而已。强烈抗议你不讲礼仪，删除我的留言的做法。西马客家现在是双语制，很多年轻人改说粤语，这是事实，但你无视大马统计局的数据，硬是说客家是比广府还少的族群，就太没意思了吧？你总说去过这去过那，却对这些地方的情况一无所知还振振有词，给了数据了你就删，你说你去了那些地方有什么用处？还不如我这样老老实实查统计局数据的。请你给自华人移民东南亚以来，广东话一直被用于专称粤语的证据。否则，请不要去除“争议”部分和“当前”限定条件。如果这样下去，只会导致该条目被保护，无法更新。--<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 10:07:57 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>证据我已经给了，你硬搞什么数据古书之类的没用的，已经偏大的离题了，广东话一直被用于专称粤语在海外有多少人知道，去问问不就行。</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <pre>转移完成 </pre> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>有一个问题：是否每一处“海外”的程况都一样？正如在<a href="/wiki/%E6%82%89%E5%B0%BC" title="悉尼">悉尼</a>及<a href="/wiki/%E5%A4%9A%E5%80%AB%E5%A4%9A" class="mw-redirect" title="多伦多">多伦多</a>，当有当地人问你“Can you speak Chinese?”的时候，他们的Chinese很多时都是指<a href="/wiki/%E7%B2%B5%E8%AA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="粤语">粤语</a>而不是<a href="/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9A%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="普通话">普通话</a>一样。但对于其他地方，例如新加坡，Chinese可是普通话(华语)。--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:218.188.0.150&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:218.188.0.150（页面不存在）">218.188.0.150</a> 08:42 2005年11月18日 (UTC)</dd> <dd>ok,“海外”改为“东南亚”。<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 08:55:27 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>澳大利亚我到过，那里指的Chinese也就是普通话或者华语，粤语可不是指Chinese的，另外麻烦您不要这么偏激。 <dl><dd>粤语是不是指chinese，和这个条目没关系吧。另：偏激的似乎是。。您吧，在对东南亚移民史不熟悉的情况下，多次去掉“当代”这个限定词，您说这是不是不太好呢。顺便说一句，请留~~~~，谢谢！ --<a href="/wiki/User:Rich4" title="User:Rich4">rich4</a> 09:30:22 2005年11月18日 (UTC) <dl><dd>有专有词指向广东话啊,"Cantonese",为什么要用Chinese来代替Cantonese--<a href="/wiki/User:Luckygod" title="User:Luckygod">那个谁</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luckygod" title="User talk:Luckygod">跟路人甲谈下心</a> 06:45 2005年12月16日 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="請參看香港電台「俗語趣談」" data-mw-thread-id="h-請參看香港電台「俗語趣談」"><span id=".E8.AB.8B.E5.8F.83.E7.9C.8B.E9.A6.99.E6.B8.AF.E9.9B.BB.E5.8F.B0.E3.80.8C.E4.BF.97.E8.AA.9E.E8.B6.A3.E8.AB.87.E3.80.8D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-請參看香港電台「俗語趣談」"></span>请参看香港电台“俗语趣谈”<span data-mw-comment-end="h-請參看香港電台「俗語趣談」"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=4" title="编辑章节：请参看香港电台“俗语趣谈”"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%E5%8A%89%E5%A4%A9%E8%B3%9C" title="刘天赐">刘天赐</a>的“<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://rthk27.rthk.org.hk/php/lautinchi/messages.php?gid=1&id=237&page_no=1&subpage_no=1&order=desc&suborder=desc&hl=&hlt=lautinchi">广州话还是广东话</a>”的讨论有提到!－－<a href="/wiki/User:Stewart" title="User:Stewart">Stewart~恶龙</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stewart" title="User talk:Stewart">讲讲讲！</a>) 18:07 2006年2月28日 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="廣東話＝客家話？" data-mw-thread-id="h-廣東話＝客家話？-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.BB.A3.E6.9D.B1.E8.A9.B1.EF.BC.9D.E5.AE.A2.E5.AE.B6.E8.A9.B1.EF.BC.9F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-廣東話＝客家話？-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z"></span>广东话＝客家话？<span data-mw-comment-end="h-廣東話＝客家話？-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=5" title="编辑章节：广东话＝客家话？"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-廣東話＝客家話？"></span>粤语参选国语之说查无考证，实为无稽之谈，如果有外省人将广东话当成客家话，也仅属少数人。除非有证据，否则不要重复加入—时势造英雄 2008年12月13日 (六) 05:55 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>嗯，十分同意，没有实据的事件不应被收录，否则有损维基百科之声誉！—<a href="/wiki/User:Gzyeah" title="User:Gzyeah">Gzyeah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gzyeah" title="User talk:Gzyeah">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-廣東話＝客家話？" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2009年8月29日 (六) 20:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-廣東話＝客家話？"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gzyeah-2009-08-29T20:25:00.000Z-廣東話＝客家話？"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用" data-mw-thread-id="h-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"><span id=".E2.80.9C.E5.BB.A3.E6.9D.B1.E8.A9.B1.E2.80.9D.E6.98.AF.E4.B8.80.E5.80.8B.E5.8D.81.E5.88.86.E6.A8.A1.E7.B3.8A.E6.A5.B5.E5.85.B7.E7.88.AD.E8.AD.B0.E7.9A.84.E6.8F.90.E6.B3.95.EF.BC.8C.E4.B8.8D.E5.BB.BA.E8.AD.B0.E4.BD.BF.E7.94.A8"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"></span>“广东话”是一个十分模糊极具争议的提法，不建议使用<span data-mw-comment-end="h-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=6" title="编辑章节：“广东话”是一个十分模糊极具争议的提法，不建议使用"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%E7%B2%B5%E8%AA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="粤语"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用"></span>粤语</a>之“粤”，源于古义，是<a href="/wiki/%E5%85%A9%E7%B2%B5" title="两粤">两粤</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E7%B2%B5" class="mw-redirect" title="南粤">南粤</a>之“粤”，其义为“岭南”，含盖广东、广西、海南、越南北部、香港、澳门，远大于近代“广东简称”的“粤”。故一方面，“粤语”不是“广东话”。另一方面，“广东话”也不是“粤语”。凡是广东省内的本土话，都是广东话，而广西区内的本土话，都不是广东话。香港地小，香港大众视角狭窄，看不到两广，更不会考虑整个岭南，也不知历史，只知道自己祖籍是广东的，所以才会把香港本地粤语笼统地叫做“广东话”，甚至在很多香港人眼里，“中文”也等于所谓的“广东话”。在两广，本地人根本就不用“广东话”这个词。--<a href="/wiki/User:Newzebras" title="User:Newzebras">Newzebras</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newzebras" title="User talk:Newzebras">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2009年10月2日 (五) 02:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z-“廣東話”是一個十分模糊極具爭議的提法，不建議使用"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ronin_KahO-2010-12-24T03:29:00.000Z-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"></span>我是香港人,香港人第一代很多都是走难游水到香港,学识不高,只知道自己来自广东地区,但又不是广州城,于是称自己的话做广东话.这个广东话是广州话,客家话,潮州话,佛山话,台山话,东芫话,江阳话,梧州话,围头话,蜑家话,福建话,上海话,英文等等之混合体,其中以广府话为主,属粤方言,广府系,香港支,是有香港特色的,混杂了各种粤方言的广府话,可称为港式广府话.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>但是香港人对其香港特色有自卑感，怕被边沿化,也不为自己的个性特色而骄傲，于是以广韵为准搞起正音运动,对传媒影响较大,大众反对声浪亦高.</dd></dl> <p><small>—以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8D%E8%A9%B1%E9%A0%81%E4%B8%8A%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:在对话页上签名">未签名</a>的留言由<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:129.97.120.241&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:129.97.120.241（页面不存在）">129.97.120.241</a>（<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:129.97.120.241&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:129.97.120.241（页面不存在）">对话</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/129.97.120.241" title="Special:用户贡献/129.97.120.241">贡献</a>）于2010年5月8日 (六) 04:03加入。</small> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>“香港地小，香港大众视角狭窄，看不到两广，更不会考虑整个岭南，也不知历史，只知道自己祖籍是广东的，所以才会把香港本地粤语笼统地叫做“广东话”，甚至在很多香港人眼里，“中文”也等于所谓的“广东话”。”首先请Newzebras尊重香港人，并且请提出有力的证据证明港人视角狭窄，否则有鱼目混珠贬低港人之嫌。 <small>—以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8D%E8%A9%B1%E9%A0%81%E4%B8%8A%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:在对话页上签名">未签名</a>的留言</small></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="zhwpVoteOppose skin-invert" style="font-weight:bold;background:pink;color:red;">(－)</span><b>反对</b>，<b>“广东话”是源自于英文“Cantonese”一词</b>，当年英国人误会当时的广州治会番禺城（今<a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E5%B7%9E%E5%B8%82" class="mw-redirect" title="广州市">广州市</a>）为“广东省”之意，遂以英文“Canton”来称呼广州。另外，因为二战后来港的广州人移民占当时的香港居民成分最多，故“中文”一词渐代表“广东话”一词，并等同之意。这是<b>香港独有的发展和民俗历史</b>，是<b>香港人的集体回忆</b>，是<b>不可改变的事实</b>。正正是这个原因，广东广西人不能理解香港独特的发展，更<b>不应该以一己井蛙之见以粗暴强制方式来施加于<a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E5%B7%9E%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="广州话">广州话</a>条目编辑上</b>。</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>我只可以讲<b>“广州话”一词来到香港是称呼为“广东话”</b>，虽有不妥，但这是已成香港人集体称呼，甚至国际上有部分人士也跟随其叫法（如日本、美国），更<b>不应因避争而废掉称呼</b>。—<a href="/wiki/User:Ronin_KahO" title="User:Ronin KahO">Ronin KahO</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ronin_KahO" title="User talk:Ronin KahO">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Ronin_KahO-2010-12-24T03:29:00.000Z-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2010年12月24日 (五) 03:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ronin_KahO-2010-12-24T03:29:00.000Z-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ronin_KahO-2010-12-24T03:29:00.000Z-Newzebras-2009-10-02T02:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为" data-mw-thread-id="h-广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为"><span id=".E5.B9.BF.E5.BA.9C.E6.B2.99.E6.96.87.E4.B8.BB.E4.B9.89.E8.80.85.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E5.81.9C.E6.AD.A2.E7.9F.AE.E5.8C.96.E5.B9.BF.E4.B8.9C.E4.B8.BA.E5.B9.BF.E5.BA.9C.E7.9A.84.E8.A1.8C.E4.B8.BA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为"></span>广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为<span data-mw-comment-end="h-广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=7" title="编辑章节：广府沙文主义者应该停止矮化广东为广府的行为"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>广东可不是只有广府. <small>—以上<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8D%E8%A9%B1%E9%A0%81%E4%B8%8A%E7%B0%BD%E5%90%8D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:在对话页上签名">未签名</a>的留言由<a href="/wiki/User:Polar1" title="User:Polar1">Polar1</a>（<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polar1" title="User talk:Polar1">对话</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Polar1" title="Special:用户贡献/Polar1">贡献</a>）于2009年12月11日 (五) 12:07加入。</small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="廣東話和粵語" data-mw-thread-id="h-廣東話和粵語-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.BB.A3.E6.9D.B1.E8.A9.B1.E5.92.8C.E7.B2.B5.E8.AA.9E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-廣東話和粵語-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z"></span>广东话和粤语<span data-mw-comment-end="h-廣東話和粵語-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80&action=edit&section=8" title="编辑章节：广东话和粤语"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-disambig" title="广东话"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Derekleungtszhei-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"></span>广东话</a>和<a href="/wiki/%E7%B2%B5%E8%AA%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="粤语">粤语</a>究竟有什么分别? 为什么不能把两个合并? <span style="-webkit-box-shadow:2px 2px 7px lightblue;-moz-box-shadow:2px 2px 7px lightblue;-o-box-shadow:2px 2px 7px lightblue;box-shadow:2px 2px 7px lightblue;"><span style="cursor:pointer;text-decoration:none;font-size:smaller;border-radius:2px;-moz-border-radius:2px;border:1px solid #3399FF;"><a href="/wiki/User:Derekleungtszhei" title="User:Derekleungtszhei"><span style="background-color:#3399FF;color:white;padding:0px 3px" title="我的用户页">Derek Leung</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Derekleungtszhei" title="User talk:Derekleungtszhei"><span style="color:#3399FF;padding:0px 3px;background-color:white;cursor:help;" title="留个言吧">留言</span></a></span></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Derekleungtszhei-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年8月15日 (三) 00:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Derekleungtszhei-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Derekleungtszhei-2012-08-15T00:44:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"></span>说广东话包括广东所有语言，我怀疑是“原创研究”。文中提及“‘一、广东话。西人由广东北来上海，故广东人最占势力。’由于同一章亦有‘广州方言’及‘广东有客家话、潮州话’两节”，如何“可见作者所谓‘广东话’乃各种广东话的统称，而非单指广州方言。”﹖整段文字只是说“上海有人说广东话”和“广东有不同语言”，并没有说过“广东话包括不同语言”。 </p><p>最简单想想就知道﹕有谁会把<a href="/wiki/%E5%AE%A2%E5%AE%B6%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="客家话">客家话</a>或<a href="/wiki/%E6%BD%AE%E5%B7%9E%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="潮州话">潮州话</a>称为“广东话”﹖ 一般使用上，但凡称“广东话”，都是指粤语(和它的变种)。所以声称“广东话不只指粤语/广州话”根本没足够根据。 </p><p>我倒认为这一条应该改为“广东语言”，广东语言的多样化是值得有一条目的。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E6%96%B9%E6%BD%A4" title="User:方润">图门县候补知县</a>（<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E6%96%B9%E6%BD%A4" title="User talk:方润">留言</a>） <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2012年10月28日 (日) 10:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z-廣東話和粵語"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-H2NCH2COOH-2013-01-12T09:34:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"></span>合并！广东=粤，话=语，广东话=粤语。作为讲粤语的客家家庭成员，我从未听说“粤语”和“广东话”有区别，也从未听过客家人说他们的语言是“广东话”。其他语言版本的条目都没有区分广东话和粤语，那个English的“Cantonese”也是伪跨语言链接，不仅与中文不符，而且英文方面也是连回<a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E5%B7%9E%E8%A9%B1" class="mw-redirect" title="广州话">广州话</a>条目的。<a href="/wiki/User:H2NCH2COOH" title="User:H2NCH2COOH">H2NCH2COOH</a>（<a href="/wiki/User_talk:H2NCH2COOH" title="User talk:H2NCH2COOH">留言</a>） <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-H2NCH2COOH-2013-01-12T09:34:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2013年1月12日 (六) 09:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-H2NCH2COOH-2013-01-12T09:34:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-H2NCH2COOH-2013-01-12T09:34:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lysimachi-2015-12-27T13:27:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"></span>合并！广东话为粤语的同义词。<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lysimachi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lysimachi（页面不存在）">Lysimachi</a>（<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lysimachi" title="User talk:Lysimachi">留言</a>） <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Lysimachi-2015-12-27T13:27:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2015年12月27日 (日) 13:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lysimachi-2015-12-27T13:27:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lysimachi-2015-12-27T13:27:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liaon98-2016-05-15T09:05:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"></span>建议合并，感觉是原创研究。不然改名为“广东语言”来介绍广东省有哪些语言亦可--<a href="/wiki/User:Liaon98" title="User:Liaon98"><span style="color:purple;font: 14px Comic Sans MS;">Liaon98</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liaon98" title="User talk:Liaon98"><small><span style="color:red">我是废物</span></small></a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Liaon98-2016-05-15T09:05:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2016年5月15日 (日) 09:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liaon98-2016-05-15T09:05:00.000Z-方潤-2012-10-28T10:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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id="c-Chinyen_Lu-2014-07-27T01:43:00.000Z-~"></span>虽然我不是广府人，但是从小到大觉得广东话=广州话=粤语，因为没有潮汕人或河洛人将自己讲的闽南语称为广东话，大多称潮汕话或福佬话。我相信客家人称他们讲的话叫客家话，也不会叫广东话吧。所以，那些非广府人也不要这么激动。--<a href="/wiki/User:Chinyen_Lu" title="User:Chinyen Lu">Chinyen </a>（<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chinyen_Lu" title="User talk:Chinyen Lu">留言</a>） <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E5%BB%A3%E6%9D%B1%E8%AA%9E%E8%A8%80#c-Chinyen_Lu-2014-07-27T01:43:00.000Z-~" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2014年7月27日 (日) 01:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chinyen_Lu-2014-07-27T01:43:00.000Z-~"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chinyen_Lu-2014-07-27T01:43:00.000Z-~"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img 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