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Here are a couple of updated screenshots (nothing is finalized):</p> <p>When you have no menus:</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/0M1L3l2j0c1u0m1a3i3m/menus-start.jpg"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/0M1L3l2j0c1u0m1a3i3m/menus-start.jpg" width="500"/></a></p> <p>Management screen (default screen you see when you click the “menus” link on the left nav):</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/1I1N0x2n041r3q3Y3V0d/menus-manage.jpg"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/1I1N0x2n041r3q3Y3V0d/menus-manage.jpg" width="500"/></a></p> <p>Editing a single menu:</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/2x3M1r3A1s3H3f0n2A26/menus-edit.jpg"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/2x3M1r3A1s3H3f0n2A26/menus-edit.jpg" width="500"/></a></p> <p>Assigning a menu to a theme location (linked to from the management screen, and from the “menu saved” success message):</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/1a1L0i0V1g1E2a002b3w/menus-customizer.jpg"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/1a1L0i0V1g1E2a002b3w/menus-customizer.jpg" width="500"/></a></p> <h3>3) Scale back</h3> <p>The other option is for us to scale back our scope, keep all of the existing structure of the existing menus screen the same, and focus on making minor improvements in copy and flow.</p> <p>We need to figure out which option we think will work best for users and commit to it before moving forward.</p> <p>Office hours will be held tomorrow (Thursday) at 21:00 UTC (4:00pm EST, 1:00pm PST) in #wordpress-dev. I hope to see you there.</p> </div> <div class="discussion" style="display: none"> <p> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/8fac9a834778de5a3b7b26fb28cff956?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/jkudish/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Joey Kudish</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2e25520901bb826e14cde98de6be38f5?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.iamronen.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">iamronen</a>, <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/95c934fa2c3362794bf62ff8c59ada08?s=16&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D16&r=G" class="avatar avatar-16 photo" height="16" width="16"/> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.werdswords.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture)</a>, and 7 others are discussing. <a href="#" class="show-comments">Toggle Comments</a> </p> </div> <div class="bottom-of-entry"> </div> <ul id="comments-2813" class="commentlist inlinecomments"> <li id="comment-7700" class="comment byuser comment-author-devinreams even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0a5f2e03ceff5f8df445a4bc31cbd279?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://profiles.wordpress.org/devinreams/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Devin Reams</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-23T19:37:06Z">7:37 pm <em>on</em> January 23, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7700" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7700" class="commentcontent"><p>I like your concept.</p> <p>While it does require more screens to manage a menu (find the menu from the list, then click to edit it), I think simplifying and making the views granular is ideal:</p> <p>1. See all menus (then go edit them)<br/> 2. Edit a menu’s contents<br/> 3. Assign a menu to a theme location</p> <p>Some bloggers may only have one menu and this is overkill (just like those with one sidebar) but, many more complex sites may have dozens or a hundred menus, theme locations, etc. A question: what is harder and less flexible to satisfy all these possible use-cases?</p> <p>I also think a simpler, granular interface for each action may allow for better long-term goals: new enhancements, making it mobile/responsive friendly, etc.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7710" class="comment byuser comment-author-maor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/dfcedfa253bbc53d62a701dbaa33907e?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://maorchasen.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Maor Chasen</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-23T20:58:44Z">8:58 pm <em>on</em> January 23, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7710" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7710" class="commentcontent"><p>I just love the 2nd approach. Especially liking the theme customizer integration. Though, I have never seen an internal use of breadcrumbs within the dashboard. It just seems out of place.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7723" class="comment byuser comment-author-mssbee even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/f69c6f526454ad9a17f732abfdc3165a?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> mssbee <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-24T02:19:21Z">2:19 am <em>on</em> January 24, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7723" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7723" class="commentcontent"><p>I like the first time menu screen. I am not a huge fan of more windows to open to get to what I want. Seems this whole project started from the thought that current menu screen is too difficult and even adding a home link is a challenge. I agree with Devin that the average user would probably have only one menu, as this might be overkill. Simple to me is simple interface that is intuitive that doesn’t take multiple clicks to get to.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7731" class="comment byuser comment-author-cliffseal odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/a32b058efa650fa963e8f0b284c08e04?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://cliffseal.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Cliff Seal</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-24T14:35:39Z">2:35 pm <em>on</em> January 24, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7731" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7731" class="commentcontent"><p>I think the flow of #2 would be most scalable and easiest for first-time menu creators to do what they want—but, can we incorporate the accordion-looking ‘Add Items…’ menu from the Nacin concept? I think all the individual CPT boxes, expanded automatically, become hard to locate at a glance.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7733" class="comment byuser comment-author-iamronen even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2e25520901bb826e14cde98de6be38f5?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.iamronen.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">iamronen</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-24T15:29:11Z">3:29 pm <em>on</em> January 24, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7733" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7733" class="commentcontent"><p>I think that all three designs fail to address a core issue in the menu-editing screen. The left side that contains all the visual containers with sources of items to populate the menus is unpleasant to use when there is lots to choose from (many pages, posts, categories … not to mention websites with custom post-types … which create even more boxes).</p> <p>I’ve tried in the past to describe the problem in more detail here: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/" rel="nofollow">http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/</a></p> <p>The problem is (in my opinion) so severe that you would be hard-pressed to even draw a mockup that properly reflects the problem.</p> <p>This discussion started in a TRAC ticket where I mentioned a few more benefits from a modified design:<br/> 1. My main point is that the second largest (if not largest) UI real-estate area should go to the “things I can add to the menu”.<br/> 2. The tabbed area makes it possible to allocate more real-estate to each of the “types of things” that can be added to the menu. I see no need to have on screen at the same multiple sources. If I am looking for posts – then let me see just posts. When I want to select from pages or categories or anything else I don’t need to scroll down to look for them … and to lose sight (literally) of the menu I am working on.<br/> 3. Within the tabbed area there is then plenty of space that can be used for better search and filtering.<br/> 4. Because the spaces are tabbed it may be possible to do on demand loading of data (instead of loading everything, everytime the screen loads). That may drastically improve page performance …<br/> 5. AND you can use that improved performance to do a smarter load … like indicating somehow which items have already been added to the menu.<br/> 6. You can still add checkboxes for selecting multiple items and an “add to menu” button. However what I tried to suggest was one click add instead of two click add. Instead of clicking to select each menu and then having to move the moust somewhere else AND clicking one more time “add to menu” you simply add directly. It feels to me like a faster, smoother and more efficient experience (unless I am missing something).</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-7768" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-25T14:22:24Z">2:22 pm <em>on</em> January 25, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7768" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7768" class="commentcontent"><blockquote><p>I think that all three designs fail to address a core issue in the menu-editing screen. The left side that contains all the visual containers with sources of items to populate the menus is unpleasant to use when there is lots to choose from (many pages, posts, categories … not to mention websites with custom post-types … which create even more boxes).</p></blockquote> <p>I agree, in that it does suck to have to scroll down to get to additional menu item options. Let’s see if we can figure out a way to improve this.</p> <blockquote><p>The problem is (in my opinion) so severe that you would be hard-pressed to even draw a mockup that properly reflects the problem.</p></blockquote> <p>That indeed sounds like a severe problem. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-7740" class="comment byuser comment-author-miqrogroove even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/dd2a707274b17609b80205a5f236f7e3?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.miqrogroove.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Robert Chapin (miqrogroove)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-24T16:53:40Z">4:53 pm <em>on</em> January 24, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7740" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7740" class="commentcontent"><p>So far none of these address the issue of adding Tags and Posts to menus.</p> <p>As for the screen layouts, I think two are appropriate considering there isn’t easy tabbing between menus.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-7741" class="comment byuser comment-author-nacin odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/01cfe9feaafb068590891bbd1f6a7f5a?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://nacin.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Andrew Nacin</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-24T17:02:20Z">5:02 pm <em>on</em> January 24, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7741" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7741" class="commentcontent"><p>Look in screen options.</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="comment-7767" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor even thread-even depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-25T14:14:16Z">2:14 pm <em>on</em> January 25, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7767" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7767" class="commentcontent"><p><strong>Office Hours Notes</strong></p> <ul> <li>See <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/https://irclogs.wordpress.org/chanlog.php?channel=wordpress-dev&day=2013-01-24&sort=asc#m540143" rel="nofollow">logs</a> for full transcript.</li> <li>We talked through likes & concerns for both options 1 & 2 above.</li> <li>In the end we agreed to push forward with option 1.</li> </ul> <p><strong>Next Steps</strong></p> <ul> <li>I plan to spend today working through all of the option 1 concerns (that we covered in office hours), and I’ll come up with another proposal for a mockup to move forward with (which I’ll post to this thread for review).</li> <li>After that we’ll get a prototype hacked together, we’ll push a few cycles of user tests through it, and see how it performs.</li> </ul> <p>Ideas, mock ups, concerns, comments, criticisms are all welcome. <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley"/> </p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7777" class="comment byuser comment-author-lessbloat bypostauthor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4c5da16f1f65bd9824bc30cb1cc62e8f?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> lessbloat <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-26T02:03:03Z">2:03 am <em>on</em> January 26, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7777" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7777" class="commentcontent"><p>Here are some updated mockups based on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7767" rel="nofollow">our discussion Thursday</a>.</p> <p><strong>One Menu</strong></p> <p>This is all the vast majority of users would see:</p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/2n0B0q442N221W1P0W1Q/menus-nacins-concept.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/2n0B0q442N221W1P0W1Q/menus-nacins-concept.png" width="400"/></a></p> <p><strong>Multiple Menus</strong></p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/210D1u2F0n2b3X3z2Z3d/menus-nacins-multiple.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/210D1u2F0n2b3X3z2Z3d/menus-nacins-multiple.png" width="400"/></a></p> <p><strong>Custom Menu Widget</strong></p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/3E170x1V24341H0o2s0p/menus-nacins-widgets.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/3E170x1V24341H0o2s0p/menus-nacins-widgets.png" width="400"/></a></p> <p><strong>Switching Themes</strong></p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/0s0K3Z0B1V2l0Q2t3q3I/menus-nacins-switch.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/0s0K3Z0B1V2l0Q2t3q3I/menus-nacins-switch.png" width="400"/></a></p> <p><strong>Adding A New Menu</strong></p> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://f.cl.ly/items/0h170z0E2u2U413Q451n/menus-nacins-add.png" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://f.cl.ly/items/0h170z0E2u2U413Q451n/menus-nacins-add.png" width="400"/></a></p> <p>Let me know what you think. I tried to cover all of the concerns mentioned in the meeting on Thursday.</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li id="comment-7778" class="comment byuser comment-author-drewapicture even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/95c934fa2c3362794bf62ff8c59ada08?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.werdswords.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture)</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-26T02:33:54Z">2:33 am <em>on</em> January 26, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7778" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7778" class="commentcontent"><p>These are great! Looking through these, I have a couple of concerns:</p> <ul> <li>“Copy items from existing menu” is interesting, but will we be able to maintain the hierarchy when the items are copied over?</li> <li>With “Switching Themes”, it isn’t immediately clear what the process is to “reassign” a menu to a theme location (the current workflow). After a moment, I realized you would “Copy items from existing menu” via “Other menus” but we should provide some kind of contextual help for that. Maybe in the empty menu space?</li> <li>We’ll need to be careful of not assuming too much about users, especially in terms of this “editing one menu at a time” mentality with the surrounding controls.</li> <li>Would “unattached” menus live under “Other Menus”, or is that strictly for theme switching?</li> </ul> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7780" class="comment byuser comment-author-iamronen odd alt depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/2e25520901bb826e14cde98de6be38f5?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://www.iamronen.com/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">iamronen</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-26T06:28:48Z">6:28 am <em>on</em> January 26, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7780" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7780" class="commentcontent"><p>well done.</p> <p>I would consider better balance between the two halves of the screen. There seems to be a lot of potential dead space on the right (menu side) and a lot of crunched up stuff on the left (things to put in menu). I would try either 50-50 or even 60-40.</p> </div> </li> <li id="comment-7781" class="comment byuser comment-author-jkudish even depth-2"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/8fac9a834778de5a3b7b26fb28cff956?s=32&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=G" class="avatar avatar-32 photo" height="32" width="32"/> <h4> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://profiles.wordpress.org/users/jkudish/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Joey Kudish</a> <span class="meta"> <abbr title="2013-01-26T08:01:27Z">8:01 am <em>on</em> January 26, 2013</abbr> <span class="actions"> <a class="thepermalink" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/01/23/for-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only/#comment-7781" title="Permalink">Permalink</a> | <a rel="nofollow" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130126094932/http://make.wordpress.org/core/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fmake.wordpress.org%2Fcore%2F2013%2F01%2F23%2Ffor-tomorrows-menu-office-hours-i-only%2F">Log in to Reply</a> </span> </span> </h4> <div id="commentcontent-7781" class="commentcontent"><p>Nice work. I really like the updated direction! A few comments:</p> <ul> <li>I agree with Drew regarding switching themes, what happens then?</li> <li>What happens if your theme supports several menu locations, it’s not quite clear to me from the mockups how it is that you assign menus to theme locations anymore.</li> <li>Considering how little real estate the “add menu” button takes up and how valuable it might be to some users (especially those are now used to the current workflow) I am not convinced that hiding it by default is a great way to go about it. 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