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diff-side-added"><div>{{Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID}}</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>{{Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID (Arabic)}}</div></td> </tr> </table><hr class='diff-hr' id='mw-oldid' /> <h2 class='diff-currentversion-title'>Revision as of 09:31, 26 November 2024</h2> <div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p><p><br/> </p> <table class="mw-content-ltr" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6" dir="ltr" style="box-shadow: 0 0 .2em var(--border-color-base, #a2a9b1); border-radius: .2em; margin: 0 auto 2em auto; padding: 10px; width: 80%; box-sizing: border-box; background-color:var(--background-color-base, #fff); color:var(--color-base, #202122); text-align:center;"> <tbody><tr> <td width="10%" rowspan="4" style="vertical-align: middle;"><i><b><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal">Property proposal:</a></b></i> </td> <td><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Generic</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control">Authority control</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Person">Person</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Organization" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization">Organization</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work">Creative work</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Place">Place</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Sports" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports">Sports</a> </td> <td><a 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<li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:External_identifiers" title="Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:External identifiers">Wikidata:External identifiers</a> – statements to add when creating properties for external IDs</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical_data" title="Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Lexicographical data">Wikidata:Lexicographical data</a> – information and discussion about lexicographic data on Wikidata</li></ul> <div class="property-proposal-header"> <p>This page is for the proposal of new <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary#Property" title="Wikidata:Glossary">properties</a>. </p> <div class="property-proposal-header-steps"> <p><span class="larger"><b>Before proposing a property</b></span> </p> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?ns120=1">Search</a> if the property already exists.</li> <li><a class="external text" 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An overview of all archives can be found at this page's <b><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive">archive index</a></b>. The current archive is located at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/2024/11" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/2024/11">2024/11</a></b>. </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> <div class="property-proposal-header-toc toclimit-3"><div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#General"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">General</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#L'Humanité_topic_ID"><span class="tocnumber">2.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">L'Humanité topic ID</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation"><span class="tocnumber">2.1.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion"><span class="tocnumber">2.1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#beer_style"><span class="tocnumber">2.2</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎beer style</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_2"><span class="tocnumber">2.2.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_2"><span class="tocnumber">2.2.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet"><span class="tocnumber">2.3</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">identifiant Les Inrockuptibles d'un sujet</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_3"><span class="tocnumber">2.3.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_3"><span class="tocnumber">2.3.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)"><span class="tocnumber">2.4</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎European Legislation Identifier (EU)</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_4"><span class="tocnumber">2.4.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_4"><span class="tocnumber">2.4.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#French_environmental_protection_classification"><span class="tocnumber">2.5</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">French environmental protection classification</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_5"><span class="tocnumber">2.5.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_5"><span class="tocnumber">2.5.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#operating_cost"><span class="tocnumber">2.6</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎operating cost</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_6"><span class="tocnumber">2.6.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_6"><span class="tocnumber">2.6.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#effective_life_of_asset"><span class="tocnumber">2.7</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎effective life of asset</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_7"><span class="tocnumber">2.7.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_7"><span class="tocnumber">2.7.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Toki_Pona_headnoun"><span class="tocnumber">2.8</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎Toki Pona headnoun</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_8"><span class="tocnumber">2.8.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_8"><span class="tocnumber">2.8.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Provides_data_for_property"><span class="tocnumber">2.9</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎Provides data for property</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_9"><span class="tocnumber">2.9.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_9"><span class="tocnumber">2.9.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Resistance_in_Belgium_ID"><span class="tocnumber">2.10</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Resistance in Belgium ID</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_10"><span class="tocnumber">2.10.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_10"><span class="tocnumber">2.10.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Data_analysis_method"><span class="tocnumber">2.11</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎Data analysis method</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_11"><span class="tocnumber">2.11.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_11"><span class="tocnumber">2.11.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Use_data_collection_instrument"><span class="tocnumber">2.12</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">‎Use data collection instrument</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Motivation_12"><span class="tocnumber">2.12.1</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Motivation</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3"><a href="#Discussion_12"><span class="tocnumber">2.12.2</span> <span class="toctext">Discussion</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Measuring_point_uuid"><span class="tocnumber">2.13</span> <span class="toctext"><span dir="ltr">Measuring point uuid</span></span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3"><a 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title="Q192821">French Communist Party <small>(Q192821)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.humanite.fr/mot-cle/pcf">pcf</a></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q131660" title="Q131660">Dominique de Villepin <small>(Q131660)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" 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journalist ID <small dir="ltr">(P10569)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Wikidata project</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q10816832" title="Q10816832">WikiProject France <small>(Q10816832)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation-L'Humanité_topic_ID"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation-L'Humanité_topic_ID"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation-L'Humanité_topic_ID"></span></h3></div> <p>Beauciup de "tag" réunissant tous les articles. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legonin" title="User talk:Legonin">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legonin" title="Special:Contributions/Legonin">contribs</a></bdi>) at 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href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Participants">participants of WikiProject France</a> <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legonin" title="User talk:Legonin">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legonin" title="Special:Contributions/Legonin">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Legonin-20240921080900-Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a>.</bdi></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Legonin-20240921080900-Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Legonin-20240921080900-Discussion"></span> </p><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300-Discussion"></span>VIGNERON</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pymouss" title="User:Pymouss">Pymouss</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Daieuxetdailleurs" title="User:Daieuxetdailleurs">Daieuxetdailleurs</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Archives_nationales_DJI" title="User:Archives nationales DJI">Archives nationales DJI</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Koxinga" title="User:Koxinga">Koxinga</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Framawiki" title="User:Framawiki">Framawiki</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a></div><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Participants">participants of WikiProject France</a> - re-pinging, since the previous one was unsigned (and therefore didn't work). --<a href="/wiki/User:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User:Lewis Hulbert">Lewis Hulbert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User talk:Lewis Hulbert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300-Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300-Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300-Discussion"></span> </p><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241007100500-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b>, riche idée ! <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241007100500-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241007100500-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241007100500-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baidax-20241007110400-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baidax" title="User talk:Baidax">💬</a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Baidax-20241007110400-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baidax-20241007110400-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baidax-20241007110400-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241007140700-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> pas totalement convaincu, est-ce vraiment un identifiant pérenne ? (combien y en a-t-il ? depuis combien de temps ? etc.) En plus, je vois que pour chaque mot-clef, il n'y a qu'un petit nombre d'articles les plus récents (et une ligne d'information dans le cas du PCF). Au final, je m'interroge un peu sur l'utilité de cette propriété, qu'apporte-t-elle ? Une propriété générale comme <a href="/wiki/Property:P2572" title="Property:P2572">hashtag <small dir="ltr">(P2572)</small></a> me semble suffisant, non ? Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-VIGNERON-20241007140700-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241007140700-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241007140700-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZI_Jony-20241010085200-VIGNERON-20241007140700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a>, could you please clarify the comment? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony"><span style="color:#8B0000"><b>ZI Jony</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZI_Jony" title="User talk:ZI Jony"><sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ZI_Jony-20241010085200-VIGNERON-20241007140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZI_Jony-20241010085200-VIGNERON-20241007140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZI_Jony-20241010085200-VIGNERON-20241007140700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Legonin-20241010172200-ZI_Jony-20241010085200"></span>Pas mal d'articles (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.humanite.fr/mot-cle/etats-unis">ex. 1</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.humanite.fr/mot-cle/israel">2</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.humanite.fr/mot-cle/benyamin-netanyahou">3</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.humanite.fr/mot-cle/michel-barnier">4</a>, ..), pas mal de sujet couverts (regarder les tags en bas des articles). Permet de savoir l'actu de l'époque sur ces sujets et d'en savoir plus. <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legonin" title="User talk:Legonin"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Legonin-20241010172200-ZI_Jony-20241010085200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Legonin-20241010172200-ZI_Jony-20241010085200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Legonin-20241010172200-ZI_Jony-20241010085200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZI_Jony-20241018065600-Legonin-20241010172200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a>, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony"><span style="color:#8B0000"><b>ZI Jony</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZI_Jony" title="User talk:ZI Jony"><sup><span style="color:Green"><i>(Talk)</i></span></sup></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ZI_Jony-20241018065600-Legonin-20241010172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZI_Jony-20241018065600-Legonin-20241010172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZI_Jony-20241018065600-Legonin-20241010172200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241018074200-ZI_Jony-20241018065600"></span>Still not full convinced that this property is useful or needed, I guess I'm <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/></span></span> <b>Weak oppose</b>. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-VIGNERON-20241018074200-ZI_Jony-20241018065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241018074200-ZI_Jony-20241018065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241018074200-ZI_Jony-20241018065600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rémi_sim-20241014222100-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User talk:Rémi sim"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Rémi_sim-20241014222100-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rémi_sim-20241014222100-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rémi_sim-20241014222100-Lewis_Hulbert-20241007095300"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="beer_style" data-mw-thread-id="h-beer_style-General-20240930200200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-beer_style-General-20240930200200"></span><span id="‎beer_style"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎beer style</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-beer_style-General-20240930200200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">classification of a beer based on its style</span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1998962" title="Q1998962">beer style</a> <small>(Q1998962)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q44" title="Q44">beer <small>(Q44)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>subclasses or instances of <a href="/wiki/Q1998962" title="Q1998962">beer style <small>(Q1998962)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2176488" title="Q2176488">Hertog Jan Grand Prestige <small>(Q2176488)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q808329" title="Q808329">barley wine <small>(Q808329)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5168060" title="Q5168060">Coors Light <small>(Q5168060)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q1814622" title="Q1814622">light beer <small>(Q1814622)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q61043304" title="Q61043304">Grolsch 0.0% <small>(Q61043304)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q524679" title="Q524679">low-alcohol beer <small>(Q524679)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19884261" title="Q19884261">Brand IPA <small>(Q19884261)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q1543214" title="Q1543214">India Pale Ale <small>(Q1543214)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P6088" title="Property:P6088">beer bitterness <small dir="ltr">(P6088)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6089" title="Property:P6089">beer color <small dir="ltr">(P6089)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_2-beer_style"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_2-beer_style"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_2-beer_style"></span></h3></div> <p>Beer style is a key classification for differentiating beers by their characteristics, complementing existing properties like beer color and bitterness. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Mitsjol" title="User:Mitsjol">Mitsjol</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mitsjol" title="User talk:Mitsjol">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mitsjol" title="Special:Contributions/Mitsjol">contribs</a></bdi>) at 10:43, September 30, 2024‎ (UTC).</bdi></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_2-beer_style-20240930200200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_2-beer_style-20240930200200"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_2-beer_style-20240930200200"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200-Discussion_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> This seems related to the proposal here: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/object_vs_design_class_vs_functional_class_for_manufactured_objects" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment/object vs design class vs functional class for manufactured objects">Wikidata:Requests for comment/object vs design class vs functional class for manufactured objects</a> - it sounds like your intent is to replace overspecifity of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a>/<a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> in this domain? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200-Discussion_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200-Discussion_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200-Discussion_2"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mitsjol-20241001075200-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200"></span>Yes, that's correct, the intent is to reduce the overspecificity of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> by introducing a clear "beer style" property, similar to <a href="/wiki/Property:P2012" title="Property:P2012">cuisine <small dir="ltr">(P2012)</small></a> for food or <a href="/wiki/Property:P136" title="Property:P136">genre <small dir="ltr">(P136)</small></a> for media. <a href="/wiki/User:Mitsjol" title="User:Mitsjol">Mitsjol</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mitsjol" title="User talk:Mitsjol"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Mitsjol-20241001075200-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mitsjol-20241001075200-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mitsjol-20241001075200-ArthurPSmith-20240930200200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vicarage-20241007175600-Mitsjol-20241001075200"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> on those grounds, <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a> are sufficient, we don't need special subclass items for types of object. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Vicarage-20241007175600-Mitsjol-20241001075200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vicarage-20241007175600-Mitsjol-20241001075200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vicarage-20241007175600-Mitsjol-20241001075200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900-Discussion_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Why do we need this property for beer specifically? Why not "alcohol style" or "beverage style"? The other beer properties in "See Also" have quantity values for a specific standard, so it would make sense for them to exist. -<a href="/wiki/User:Wd-Ryan" title="User:Wd-Ryan">wd-Ryan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wd-Ryan" title="User talk:Wd-Ryan">Talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wd-Ryan" title="Special:Contributions/Wd-Ryan">Edits</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900-Discussion_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900-Discussion_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900-Discussion_2"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mitsjol-20241001091800-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900"></span>You raise good points about beverage classification. My proposal for a "beer style" property stems from the wide variety of distinct beer styles. However, I recognize the value in exploring broader categories like "alcohol style" or "beverage style." That said, using "alcohol style" for instances of vodka, for example, may not be beneficial due to its limited recognized styles. <a href="/wiki/User:Mitsjol" title="User:Mitsjol">Mitsjol</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mitsjol" title="User talk:Mitsjol"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Mitsjol-20241001091800-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mitsjol-20241001091800-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mitsjol-20241001091800-Wd-Ryan-20240930213900"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241007174200-Discussion_2"></span>Grolsch 0.0% is indeed a low-alcohol beer; but that is not its style, which is Pilsner. Guinness 0.0% is a stout. The two beers are not of the same style. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Pigsonthewing-20241007174200-Discussion_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241007174200-Discussion_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241007174200-Discussion_2"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Solidest-20241008071600-Discussion_2"></span>I think a shared property with food would be more useful, since we have quite a few of <a href="/wiki/Q19861951" title="Q19861951">type of food or dish <small>(Q19861951)</small></a>: <a href="/wiki/Q116392487" title="Q116392487">type of pizza <small>(Q116392487)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3546121" title="Q3546121">type of cheese <small>(Q3546121)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q129175686" title="Q129175686">type of cooked meat <small>(Q129175686)</small></a>. There's also <a href="/wiki/Q116861721" title="Q116861721">type of drink <small>(Q116861721)</small></a> for drinks, but no specific classes have been created for this yet, and the metaclass itself doesn't have much use as well yet. Although I can find lots of items with description "type of cocktail" and the like, so there is a great potential to extend both branches. And I think we can distinguish basic types for all of them - sort of genres or broad groups. Well, we can use "genre" for this purpose, but I'm not sure if it's really appropriate for food. <a href="/wiki/User:Solidest" title="User:Solidest">Solidest</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solidest" title="User talk:Solidest"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Solidest-20241008071600-Discussion_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Solidest-20241008071600-Discussion_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Solidest-20241008071600-Discussion_2"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vicarage-20241008090900-Solidest-20241008071600"></span>subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a> could be used with all of those. No need for a property tree <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Vicarage-20241008090900-Solidest-20241008071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vicarage-20241008090900-Solidest-20241008071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vicarage-20241008090900-Solidest-20241008071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Solidest-20241008150700-Vicarage-20241008090900"></span>Sorry, I didn't word what I meant precisely. That the new shared property could be used to specify food types for branded food\beverages and such. Something that is not a specific type, but rather an implementation of a specific sort. For example, <a href="/wiki/Q4306822" title="Q4306822">Mukuzani <small>(Q4306822)</small></a> -> sort/type -> red dry wine; <a href="/wiki/Q13436879" title="Q13436879">Bavaria Pilsener <small>(Q13436879)</small></a> -> sort/type -> <a href="/wiki/Q152281" title="Q152281">pilsner <small>(Q152281)</small></a>; <a href="/wiki/Q23211927" title="Q23211927">César Régalis <small>(Q23211927)</small></a> -> sort/type -> <a href="/wiki/Q1411808" title="Q1411808">sheep milk cheese <small>(Q1411808)</small></a>; <a href="/wiki/Q937783" title="Q937783">Coca-Cola Zero <small>(Q937783)</small></a> -> sort/type -> <a href="/wiki/Q50425277" title="Q50425277">diet cola <small>(Q50425277)</small></a>. At the moment the link between brands and meal/beverage types is specified via p31 or p279 and I'm not sure if this is correct for branded reproduction of a particular type. For example, here you can see how often p31/p279 of "beer style" are used in p31: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/BThF">https://w.wiki/BThF</a> . These are mostly sorts of beer used by the brands. It would be much more orderly to mark all of them with the class "beverage brand" or something like that. Using multiple types in p31 is not really database friendly, and continuing the type hierarchy through p279 with brands is definitely clogging it up. You may have hundreds of varieties of one product, for example cheese. And you may have 2-3 varieties each placed in p31 for a particular cheese product under its own name, whereas it's just a branded reproduction of a particular type of cheese. If we have hundreds of types filled randomly in p31 or p279 - it's definitely less usable than if it was just p31 = "branded food" or "branded dairy product" or "branded cheese". And at this point, the hierarchy of types and sorts is already heavily cluttered with commercial branded reproductions. Compared to other realms, it's like if you use music genres in p31/p279 for individual songs - something the Music project dealt with by creating a single metaclass. And, as I said, we can use "genre" to refer to types of branded food, but that seems like a stretch for the realm of food. <a href="/wiki/User:Solidest" title="User:Solidest">Solidest</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Solidest" title="User talk:Solidest"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Solidest-20241008150700-Vicarage-20241008090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Solidest-20241008150700-Vicarage-20241008090900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Solidest-20241008150700-Vicarage-20241008090900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vicarage-20241008201300-Solidest-20241008150700"></span>See the RFC mentioned at the top which explains how product_model is currently used. It works for brands without the need for extra properties. Your approach goes against that. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Vicarage-20241008201300-Solidest-20241008150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vicarage-20241008201300-Solidest-20241008150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vicarage-20241008201300-Solidest-20241008150700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet" data-mw-thread-id="h-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-General-20241016071500"><span id="identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d.27un_sujet"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-General-20241016071500"></span><span id="identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">identifiant Les Inrockuptibles d'un sujet</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-General-20241016071500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="fr">identifiant d'un sujet sur le site Les Inrockuptibles</span> <small>(fr)</small> – (<i>Please translate this into English.</i>)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2758142" title="Q2758142">Les Inrockuptibles</a> <small>(Q2758142)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>item</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q22686" title="Q22686">Donald Trump <small>(Q22686)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/donald-trump">donald-trump</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q907311" title="Q907311">Netflix <small>(Q907311)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/netflix">netflix</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q119141934" title="Q119141934">2024 Cannes Film Festival <small>(Q119141934)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/cannes-2024">cannes-2024</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q18574071" title="Q18574071">Yelle <small>(Q18574071)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/yelle">yelle</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 5</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q117037697" title="Q117037697">Anatomy of a Fall <small>(Q117037697)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/anatomie-dune-chute">anatomie-dune-chute</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 6</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q64584978" title="Q64584978">Emily in Paris <small>(Q64584978)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/emily-in-paris">emily-in-paris</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.lesinrocks.com/tag/<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>Wikidata project</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q10816832" title="Q10816832">WikiProject France <small>(Q10816832)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Motivation_3"></span>Plein d'IDs et articles très intéressant. Pas mal de sujet/tags de journaux proposé et déjà sur Wikidata. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legonin" title="User talk:Legonin">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legonin" title="Special:Contributions/Legonin">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Legonin-20241016071500-Motivation_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.</bdi></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Motivation_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Motivation_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_3-identifiant_Les_Inrockuptibles_d'un_sujet-20241016071500"></span></h3></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Discussion_3"></span>VIGNERON</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pymouss" title="User:Pymouss">Pymouss</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Daieuxetdailleurs" title="User:Daieuxetdailleurs">Daieuxetdailleurs</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Archives_nationales_DJI" title="User:Archives nationales DJI">Archives nationales DJI</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Koxinga" title="User:Koxinga">Koxinga</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Framawiki" title="User:Framawiki">Framawiki</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a></div><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Participants">participants of WikiProject France</a> <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Legonin" title="User talk:Legonin">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legonin" title="Special:Contributions/Legonin">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Legonin-20241016071500-Discussion_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.</bdi></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Discussion_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Legonin-20241016071500-Discussion_3"></span> </p><ul><li><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241017000600-Legonin-20241016071500"></span>VIGNERON</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pymouss" title="User:Pymouss">Pymouss</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Daieuxetdailleurs" title="User:Daieuxetdailleurs">Daieuxetdailleurs</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Archives_nationales_DJI" title="User:Archives nationales DJI">Archives nationales DJI</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Koxinga" title="User:Koxinga">Koxinga</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Framawiki" title="User:Framawiki">Framawiki</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a></div><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Participants">participants of WikiProject France</a> - repinging, signing is required to send pings. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User:Lewis Hulbert">Lewis Hulbert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User talk:Lewis Hulbert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241017000600-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241017000600-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241017000600-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241017054700-Legonin-20241016071500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241017054700-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241017054700-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241017054700-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241017061800-Legonin-20241016071500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> not convinced, this is a tag more than an identifier (which probably means it won't be perennial). I'm not really sure what value it brings. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-VIGNERON-20241017061800-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241017061800-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241017061800-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rémi_sim-20241017072000-Legonin-20241016071500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User talk:Rémi sim"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Rémi_sim-20241017072000-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rémi_sim-20241017072000-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rémi_sim-20241017072000-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ash_Crow-20241017092300-Legonin-20241016071500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> I agree with VIGNERON. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ash_Crow" title="User talk:Ash Crow"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Ash_Crow-20241017092300-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ash_Crow-20241017092300-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ash_Crow-20241017092300-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baidax-20241018125000-Legonin-20241016071500"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b>. This proposal aligns with a series of other identifiers of the same kind, giving the articles of a sufficiently important periodical on a given theme. As the theme itself is stable enough, the identifier will, in practice, be perennial, even though it is not numerical, and it is assumed to be unique for each theme. — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baidax" title="User talk:Baidax">💬</a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Baidax-20241018125000-Legonin-20241016071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baidax-20241018125000-Legonin-20241016071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baidax-20241018125000-Legonin-20241016071500"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)" data-mw-thread-id="h-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-General-20241018104300"><span id="European_Legislation_Identifier_.28EU.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-General-20241018104300"></span><span id="‎European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎European Legislation Identifier (EU)</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-General-20241018104300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">EU legislation identifier for documents published by the EU</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q98399993" title="Q98399993">directive on open data and the re-use of public sector information <small>(Q98399993)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/1024/oj">dir/2019/1024/oj</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1034661" title="Q1034661">Capital Requirements Directive <small>(Q1034661)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2013/36/oj">dir/2013/36/oj</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1255619" title="Q1255619">Solvency II Directive <small>(Q1255619)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2009/138/oj">dir/2009/138/oj</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td> <ul><li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Legislation_Identifier">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Legislation_Identifier</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli-register/about.html">https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli-register/about.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/8159b75d-5efc-11e8-ab9c-01aa75ed71a1">https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/8159b75d-5efc-11e8-ab9c-01aa75ed71a1</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://data.europa.eu/eli/<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Import from Eur-lex by So9qBot is planned for existing items.</td></tr><tr><th>Single-value constraint</th><td>yes</td></tr><tr><th>Distinct-values constraint</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241018104300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241018104300"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241018104300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-So9q-20241018104300-Motivation_4"></span>This is an important identifier for EU legislation.--<a href="/wiki/User:So9q" title="User:So9q">So9q</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:So9q" title="User talk:So9q"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-So9q-20241018104300-Motivation_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-So9q-20241018104300-Motivation_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-So9q-20241018104300-Motivation_4"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241019083600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241019083600"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_4-European_Legislation_Identifier_(EU)-20241019083600"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arpyia-20241019083600-Discussion_4"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Arpyia" title="User:Arpyia">Arpyia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arpyia" title="User talk:Arpyia"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Arpyia-20241019083600-Discussion_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arpyia-20241019083600-Discussion_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arpyia-20241019083600-Discussion_4"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241021202600-Discussion_4"></span>What makes you think that this is the identifer for the document and not 32013L0036? Does the European Union have a documentation that says that "dir" is part of the name of the identifer? <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241021202600-Discussion_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241021202600-Discussion_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241021202600-Discussion_4"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-So9q-20241022091400-ChristianKl-20241021202600"></span>It is the document type in the implementation by EU institutions. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/8159b75d-5efc-11e8-ab9c-01aa75ed71a1">https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/8159b75d-5efc-11e8-ab9c-01aa75ed71a1</a>. French ELI ids look like this: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/loi/2014/10/13/2014-1170/jo/texte">http://legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/loi/2014/10/13/2014-1170/jo/texte</a> and the general prefix seems to be: {typedoc}/{year}/{natural_number}/ followed by implementation specific endings e.g. "<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.europa.eu/eli/{typedoc}/{year}/{natural_number}/oj">http://data.europa.eu/eli/{typedoc}/{year}/{natural_number}/oj</a> <- canonical ELI to identify a directive or regulation in EU" <a href="/wiki/User:So9q" title="User:So9q">So9q</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:So9q" title="User talk:So9q"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-So9q-20241022091400-ChristianKl-20241021202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-So9q-20241022091400-ChristianKl-20241021202600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-So9q-20241022091400-ChristianKl-20241021202600"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"><a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4"></span>Samoasambia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Julius_Schwarz" title="User:Julius Schwarz">Julius Schwarz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:So9q" title="User:So9q">User:So9q</a> </div><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_European_Union/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject European Union/Participants">participants of WikiProject European Union</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Ainali" title="User:Ainali"><bdi>Ainali</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Belteshassar" title="User:Belteshassar"><bdi>Belteshassar</bdi></a>: Redoing the ping because it requires a signature after it. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#3F92D2"><b>Samoasambia</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#228B22"><b>✎</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4-1"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/></span></span> <b>Weak oppose</b> I'm not really sure why would we need this property because we already have <a href="/wiki/Property:P476" title="Property:P476">CELEX number <small dir="ltr">(P476)</small></a> (it's the "32013L0036" <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl">ChristianKl</a> mentioned) and <a href="/wiki/Property:P953" title="Property:P953">full work available at URL <small dir="ltr">(P953)</small></a> where we could add the ELI URL. P953 is useful because it is used e.g. by <a href="/wiki/Q22321052" title="Q22321052">Template:Cite Q <small>(Q22321052)</small></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#3F92D2"><b>Samoasambia</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#228B22"><b>✎</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20241022143300-Discussion_4-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20241022150900-Samoasambia-20241022143300"></span>European Legislation Identifier is basically a common URL and metadata format for laws in EU member states and the EU itself. Here's a few examples: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.finlex.fi/eli/sd/1734/4">http://data.finlex.fi/eli/sd/1734/4</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2013/36/oj">http://data.europa.eu/eli/dir/2013/36/oj</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/loi/2023/4/14/2023-270/jo/texte">https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/eli/loi/2023/4/14/2023-270/jo/texte</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2014/1603">https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2014/1603</a>. Some of the URLs are actual pages and some of them just redirects. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any central domain from which you could be redirected to the right national database, so ELI properties would have to be done separately for each country (and the EU itself). <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#3F92D2"><b>Samoasambia</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#228B22"><b>✎</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Samoasambia-20241022150900-Samoasambia-20241022143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20241022150900-Samoasambia-20241022143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20241022150900-Samoasambia-20241022143300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="French_environmental_protection_classification" data-mw-thread-id="h-French_environmental_protection_classification-General-20241019085300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-French_environmental_protection_classification-General-20241019085300"></span><span id="French_environmental_protection_classification"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">French environmental protection classification</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-French_environmental_protection_classification-General-20241019085300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Industrial or agricultural operations generating risks to health and the environment are regulated in France. The various risks are organized into headings in the nomenclature of installations classified for environmental protection. The dangers, pollution and nuisances of each operation are listed by public authorities.</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3151661" title="Q3151661">Q3151661</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q125631811" title="Q125631811">Q125631811</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3417389" title="Q3417389">Raffinerie de Feyzin <small>(Q3417389)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q125635166" title="Q125635166">Q125635166</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16511667" title="Q16511667">Chemical factory, Balan <small>(Q16511667)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q125639692" title="Q125639692">Q125639692</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21164927" title="Q21164927">ArcelorMittal Dunkerque <small>(Q21164927)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q125636796" title="Q125636796">Q125636796</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q130526075" title="Q130526075">Q130526075</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q125635500" title="Q125635500">Q125635500</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 5</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q123267504" title="Q123267504">Q123267504</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q125635414" title="Q125635414">Q125635414</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241019085300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241019085300"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241019085300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arpyia-20241019085300-Motivation_5"></span>Cette propriété est importante pour recenser les dangers pour la santé et l'environnement associés aux activités économiques. Une propriété dédiée permettra d'ajouter les qualificatifs pertinents (dates, références, etc.) pour chaque risque. <a href="/wiki/User:Arpyia" title="User:Arpyia">Arpyia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arpyia" title="User talk:Arpyia"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Arpyia-20241019085300-Motivation_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arpyia-20241019085300-Motivation_5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arpyia-20241019085300-Motivation_5"></span> </p> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pymouss" title="User:Pymouss">Pymouss</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Daieuxetdailleurs" title="User:Daieuxetdailleurs">Daieuxetdailleurs</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Archives_nationales_DJI" title="User:Archives nationales DJI">Archives nationales DJI</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Koxinga" title="User:Koxinga">Koxinga</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Framawiki" title="User:Framawiki">Framawiki</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a></div><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Participants">participants of WikiProject France</a> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241022140700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241022140700"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_5-French_environmental_protection_classification-20241022140700"></span></h3></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20241022140700-Discussion_5"></span>VIGNERON</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pymouss" title="User:Pymouss">Pymouss</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:GAllegre" title="User:GAllegre">GAllegre</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric" title="User:Jean-Frédéric">Jean-Frédéric</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Manu1400" title="User:Manu1400">Manu1400</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Marianne_Casamance" title="User:Marianne Casamance">Marianne Casamance</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Nattes_%C3%A0_chat" title="User:Nattes à chat">Nattes à chat</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Andr%C3%A9_Leclercq" title="User:Pierre André Leclercq">Pierre André</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Bouzinac" title="User:Bouzinac">Bouzinac</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jsamwrites" title="User:Jsamwrites">Jsamwrites</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Daieuxetdailleurs" title="User:Daieuxetdailleurs">Daieuxetdailleurs</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Archives_nationales_DJI" title="User:Archives nationales DJI">Archives nationales DJI</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:LearnKnowGive1" title="User:LearnKnowGive1">LearnKnowGive1</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Koxinga" title="User:Koxinga">Koxinga</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Framawiki" title="User:Framawiki">Framawiki</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:Legonin" title="User:Legonin">Legonin</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:R%C3%A9mi_sim" title="User:Rémi sim">Rémi sim</a></div><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" 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Ping needs a signature to work. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#3F92D2"><b>Samoasambia</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#228B22"><b>✎</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Samoasambia-20241022140700-Discussion_5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a>*<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20241022140700-Discussion_5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20241022140700-Discussion_5"></span> </p><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baidax-20241022141900-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Baidax" title="User:Baidax">Baidax</a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baidax" title="User talk:Baidax">💬</a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Baidax-20241022141900-Samoasambia-20241022140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baidax-20241022141900-Samoasambia-20241022140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baidax-20241022141900-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241022152000-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Arpyia" title="User:Arpyia">Arpyia</a> is there no other property that could be used? this proposal seems too specific without reason. If not, why not create a more general property? Something like "industrial classification" would make more sense. Also, about ICPE, 2. we should model the "régime" before the "rubrique", this is way more important ; the SEVESO status would be also more useful. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-VIGNERON-20241022152000-Samoasambia-20241022140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241022152000-Samoasambia-20241022140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241022152000-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241022153100-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> en l'état, car trop spécifique. <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241022153100-Samoasambia-20241022140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241022153100-Samoasambia-20241022140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241022153100-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alphos-20241022231800-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> C'est pas plutôt une classe qu'une propriété ? <a href="/wiki/User:Alphos" title="User:Alphos">Alphos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alphos" title="User talk:Alphos"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Alphos-20241022231800-Samoasambia-20241022140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alphos-20241022231800-Samoasambia-20241022140700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alphos-20241022231800-Samoasambia-20241022140700"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="operating_cost" data-mw-thread-id="h-operating_cost-General-20241025032200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-operating_cost-General-20241025032200"></span><span id="‎operating_cost"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎operating cost</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-operating_cost-General-20241025032200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">ongoing recurring cost for operating or using an object</span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q831940" title="Q831940">operating cost</a> <small>(Q831940)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1914636" title="Q1914636">activity <small>(Q1914636)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q811979" title="Q811979">architectural structure <small>(Q811979)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q13226383" title="Q13226383">facility <small>(Q13226383)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q16686448" title="Q16686448">artificial object <small>(Q16686448)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>0-10000000000000</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed units</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q8142" title="Q8142">currency <small>(Q8142)</small></a> per unit of time (USD/year, EUR/month, etc)</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q17519093" title="Q17519093">F-35A Lightning II <small>(Q17519093)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-24-106703.pdf">USD$6.6m/year</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1501" title="Q1501">swimming pool <small>(Q1501)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/pool/pool-maintenance-cost/">USD$1450/year</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q7705507" title="Q7705507">Tesla Model 3 <small>(Q7705507)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/maintaining-your-tesla/">USD$623/year</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P2130" title="Property:P2130">capital cost <small dir="ltr">(P2130)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_6" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_6-operating_cost-20241025032200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_6-operating_cost-20241025032200"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_6-operating_cost-20241025032200"></span></h3></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Property:P2130" title="Property:P2130"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhx1-20241025032200-Motivation_6"></span>capital cost <small dir="ltr">(P2130)</small></a> already captures the initial capital cost of an object (building, vehicle, etc) but there is no equivalent property for capturing the recurring ongoing costs of maintaining and operating an object. </p><p>Qualifiers such as <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard <small dir="ltr">(P459)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1264" title="Property:P1264">valid in period <small dir="ltr">(P1264)</small></a> would be very important to use with this property as there are many ways to calculate an operating cost for equipment or a building. In the Tesla Model 3 example provided (USD$623/year) this was only an estimate valid at a point in time, for the first five years of ownership of a car, and excluding a number of other operating costs such as electricity and insurance. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Dhx1" title="User:Dhx1">Dhx1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhx1" title="User talk:Dhx1"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Dhx1-20241025032200-Motivation_6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhx1-20241025032200-Motivation_6"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhx1-20241025032200-Motivation_6"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_6" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_6-operating_cost-20241026121100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_6-operating_cost-20241026121100"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_6-operating_cost-20241026121100"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Osipov-20241026121100-Discussion_6"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/></span></span> <b><span lang="en">Weak support</span></b> A week support from me, because I think it needs a qualifier of sort. I think the cost of annual ownership can benefit from qualifier of a country, region, city, where it's owned. For example, cost of ownership of Tesla car in Norway and US differ tremendously. Also, I think it would benefit from more time periods like 5 year and so on, but I'm not certain about it. --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Osipov" title="User:David Osipov">David Osipov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Osipov" title="User talk:David Osipov"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-David_Osipov-20241026121100-Discussion_6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Osipov-20241026121100-Discussion_6"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Osipov-20241026121100-Discussion_6"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dexxor-20241027175700-Discussion_6"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> The time span should be specified using <a href="/wiki/Property:P2047" title="Property:P2047">duration <small dir="ltr">(P2047)</small></a> qualifier; otherwise you need to create items for every combination of currencies with day/week/month/year, which would be a nightmare for editors and data consumers. <a href="/wiki/User:Dexxor" title="User:Dexxor">Dexxor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dexxor" title="User talk:Dexxor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Dexxor-20241027175700-Discussion_6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dexxor-20241027175700-Discussion_6"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dexxor-20241027175700-Discussion_6"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="effective_life_of_asset" data-mw-thread-id="h-effective_life_of_asset-General-20241025032300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-effective_life_of_asset-General-20241025032300"></span><span id="‎effective_life_of_asset"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎effective life of asset</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-effective_life_of_asset-General-20241025032300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">duration of time which an object/asset is expected to be used before needing to be disposed of or replaced</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16686448" title="Q16686448">artificial object <small>(Q16686448)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed units</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1790144" title="Q1790144">unit of time <small>(Q1790144)</small></a> or any other useful unit of measurement for lifespan of an object (kilometres traveled, engine hours, flight hours, etc)</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q128486784" title="Q128486784">CT scanner <small>(Q128486784)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">10 years</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q26886" title="Q26886">combine harvester <small>(Q26886)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">12 years</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q3962" title="Q3962">laptop <small>(Q3962)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">2 years</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=ITD/EF20151C8/00001&PiT=99991231235958">https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?DocID=ITD/EF20151C8/00001&PiT=99991231235958</a></td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P2669" title="Property:P2669">discontinued date <small dir="ltr">(P2669)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P730" title="Property:P730">service retirement <small dir="ltr">(P730)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2250" title="Property:P2250">life expectancy <small dir="ltr">(P2250)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_7" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025032300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025032300"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025032300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhx1-20241025032300-Motivation_7"></span>There is no property existing for the expected useful lifespan of an artificial object (such as a machine, tool, vehicle or building) after which it is expected the object needs replacing due to wear and tear, obsolescence, lack of support and lack of maintainability. </p><p>This concept is useful in finance for determining the current value of a purchased asset for taxation and financial reporting reasons. It is also useful for consumer items such as toothbrushes, phones, computers which are replaced regularly for reasons of wear and tear and obsolescence of technology. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Dhx1" title="User:Dhx1">Dhx1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhx1" title="User talk:Dhx1"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Dhx1-20241025032300-Motivation_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhx1-20241025032300-Motivation_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhx1-20241025032300-Motivation_7"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_7" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025094600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025094600"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_7-effective_life_of_asset-20241025094600"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prototyperspective-20241025094600-Discussion_7"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> This varies per product and also the lifespan of a laptop obviously is not just 2 years. --<a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Prototyperspective-20241025094600-Discussion_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prototyperspective-20241025094600-Discussion_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prototyperspective-20241025094600-Discussion_7"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhx1-20241025124200-Prototyperspective-20241025094600"></span>My thought with this property proposal is that qualifiers such as <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard <small dir="ltr">(P459)</small></a> and the references are critical. This property could be used 10 times on <a href="/wiki/Q3962" title="Q3962">laptop <small>(Q3962)</small></a> all with different sources such as standards for asset management and taxation depreciation schedules of different governments. Thus the users of this property have to pick and choose whichever of these 10 statements is most useful to them. For example, the life of a <a href="/wiki/Q3962" title="Q3962">laptop <small>(Q3962)</small></a> could be 5 years after first product release until it is typically expected to be obsolete and would be scrapped, could by 3 years as determined by continuous use causing battery degradation and wear and tear typically requiring replacement, could differ in expectations between a government in country X versus country Y depending on affluence of the country and wiliness to adopt newer technologies and scrap older ones seen as obsolete, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Dhx1" title="User:Dhx1">Dhx1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhx1" title="User talk:Dhx1"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Dhx1-20241025124200-Prototyperspective-20241025094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhx1-20241025124200-Prototyperspective-20241025094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhx1-20241025124200-Prototyperspective-20241025094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prototyperspective-20241026121300-Dhx1-20241025124200"></span>I don't know of anybody who would replace a laptop after just 5 years. Moreover, the planned obsolescence of laptops, smartphones, several plastic products, and so on are a major problem and WD should not normalize or reinforce that by suggesting this is how long these products inherently last. They can last much longer, for example via standardized replacement parts + requirement to be somewhat modular and having parts (such as battery) offered individually. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Prototyperspective-20241026121300-Dhx1-20241025124200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prototyperspective-20241026121300-Dhx1-20241025124200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prototyperspective-20241026121300-Dhx1-20241025124200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Osipov-20241026121800-Discussion_7"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/></span></span> <b><span lang="en">Weak support</span></b> It's connected to depreciation of an item, which is a correct accounting notion. But weak support from me, because it needs to have qualifiers like Determination method, Usage frequency of some sort. I would suggest looking up various calculation methods of the effective life of a depreciating asset, writing them out and starting to propose these qualifiers along with this property. Without these qualifiers, the property alone is deceiving. --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Osipov" title="User:David Osipov">David Osipov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Osipov" title="User talk:David Osipov"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-David_Osipov-20241026121800-Discussion_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Osipov-20241026121800-Discussion_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Osipov-20241026121800-Discussion_7"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105203700-Discussion_7"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/></span></span> <b><span lang="en">Weak support</span></b> I agree that it needs to be way more precise. It represents <a href="/wiki/Q114403" title="Q114403">depreciation <small>(Q114403)</small></a>. <dl><dd>For me the property name that would better fit the source indicated would be "legally-based usual depreciation period". The definition would be "usual depreciation period of an asset legally fixed by a fiscal administration and used for accounting purposes"</dd> <dd>Qualifer could be <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time <small dir="ltr">(P582)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time <small dir="ltr">(P580)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P3005" title="Property:P3005">valid in place <small dir="ltr">(P3005)</small></a>.</dd> <dd>The value could be a range, for example 5-10 years, I don't know how this would translate in terms of allowed units.</dd> <dd>The property should not imply this is the desirable lifetime of an object (question related to sustainability issues such as eco-design and other calculations methods such as life cycle analysis), nor imply this is the actual lifetime of an object (question related to the analysis of real life practices). <a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105203700-Discussion_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105203700-Discussion_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105203700-Discussion_7"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241031090100-Discussion_7"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Oppose</b> something like "depreciation period" would be a better way to store information on the legal depreciation period than a more generally named property. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241031090100-Discussion_7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241031090100-Discussion_7"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241031090100-Discussion_7"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Toki_Pona_headnoun" data-mw-thread-id="h-Toki_Pona_headnoun-General-20241027231800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Toki_Pona_headnoun-General-20241027231800"></span><span id="‎Toki_Pona_headnoun"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎Toki Pona headnoun</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Toki_Pona_headnoun-General-20241027231800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Toki Pona common noun for which the name serves as a proper modifier</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-lexeme" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Lexeme</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>language=tok</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q12854" title="Q12854">Sonja Lang <small>(Q12854)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">Toki Pona headnoun</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220656" title="Lexeme:L220656"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">jan</span> <small>(L220656)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q127401579" title="Q127401579">Tamzin Hadasa Kelly <small>(Q127401579)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">Toki Pona headnoun</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220805" title="Lexeme:L220805"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">wan</span> <small>(L220805)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q30" title="Q30">United States of America <small>(Q30)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">Toki Pona headnoun</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220703" title="Lexeme:L220703"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">ma</span> <small>(L220703)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_8" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241027231800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241027231800"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241027231800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20241027231800-Motivation_8"></span>First of all, no, I don't know why there's an item about me, but I might as well use it as an example! So, in Toki Pona, names only ever serve as adjectives. So even though my name is <i>Tansin</i>, one can't refer to me as just that. Instead, a name must modify a common noun, which essentially serves as Toki Pona's own "instance of" statement. So it's not <i>Mewika</i>, but rather <i>ma Mewika</i> 'country called <i>Mewika</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>. The <i>ma</i> there, is not however semantically part of the name of the country, and contextually could be replaced with some other word (for instance, a critic of the U.S. could say <i>ike Mewika</i>, 'bad thing called <i>Mewika</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>). </p><p>This common noun is called a headnoun. Some people refer to themselves with a headnoun other than <i>jan</i> 'person', which thereby functions as something between a courtesy title and preferred pronoun. For instance, I usually use <i>wan</i> 'union' to refer to myself, and that's the name I'm credited under in the acknowledgments to <a href="/wiki/Q108617357" title="Q108617357">Toki Pona Dictionary <small>(Q108617357)</small></a>. My item thus gives a <a href="/wiki/Property:P2561" title="Property:P2561">name <small dir="ltr">(P2561)</small></a> of <i>wan Tansin</i>, but that's akin to saying my name in English is "person named <i>Tamzin</i>". One solution would be to simply remove <i>wan</i>, but that word is required information to understand how to refer to me in Toki Pona. </p><p>My understanding is that language-specific properties have been approved in the past, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Property:P8500" title="Property:P8500">Vietnamese middle name <small dir="ltr">(P8500)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1950" title="Property:P1950">second family name in Spanish name <small dir="ltr">(P1950)</small></a>. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup class="nowrap">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i></a>]</sup> <small>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tamzin/%F0%9F%A4%B7" class="extiw" title="w:User:Tamzin/🤷">they|xe</a>)</small> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Tamzin-20241027231800-Motivation_8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20241027231800-Motivation_8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20241027231800-Motivation_8"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_8" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241029211800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241029211800"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_8-Toki_Pona_headnoun-20241029211800"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800-Discussion_8"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Hmm, this seems like it should be attached to the "class", not the instances. Especially if several different ones could be used (as in your "ma"/"ike" example). <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800-Discussion_8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800-Discussion_8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800-Discussion_8"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20241101202300-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800"></span>That would work for something like a country, but wouldn't work for entities that state a preferred headnoun. Both Sonja Lang and I are <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human <small>(Q5)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">, and there's no other statements in our respective items from which one could infer that I primarily use the headnoun <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220805" title="Lexeme:L220805"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">wan</span> <small>(L220805)</small></a> while she uses the more standard (but by no means universal) <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220656" title="Lexeme:L220656"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">jan</span> <small>(L220656)</small></a>. This is true of organizations too. I co-own an LLC that uses the word <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220679" title="Lexeme:L220679"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">kulupu</span> <small>(L220679)</small></a> 'community', but another might use <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220644" title="Lexeme:L220644"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">esun</span> <small>(L220644)</small></a> 'business' or something else entirely. And for creative works: Common headnouns for typefaces include <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220771" title="Lexeme:L220771"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">sitelen</span> <small>(L220771)</small></a> 'writing', <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220725" title="Lexeme:L220725"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">nasin</span> <small>(L220725)</small></a> 'way', and <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L220690" title="Lexeme:L220690"><span lang="tok" dir="auto">linja</span> <small>(L220690)</small></a> 'lines'. Again, all not inferable from any other statement. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup class="nowrap">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i></a>]</sup> <small>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tamzin/%F0%9F%A4%B7" class="extiw" title="w:User:Tamzin/🤷">they|xe</a>)</small> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Tamzin-20241101202300-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20241101202300-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20241101202300-ArthurPSmith-20241029211800"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P8500" title="Property:P8500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241031084100-Discussion_8"></span>Vietnamese middle name <small dir="ltr">(P8500)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1950" title="Property:P1950">second family name in Spanish name <small dir="ltr">(P1950)</small></a> exist because there's semantic content that's expressed. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1950" title="Property:P1950">second family name in Spanish name <small dir="ltr">(P1950)</small></a> is about expressing that a name is inherited from the mother. Can you explain why you think <a href="/wiki/Property:P2561" title="Property:P2561">name <small dir="ltr">(P2561)</small></a> doesn't work here and what you think the property would add? <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241031084100-Discussion_8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241031084100-Discussion_8"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241031084100-Discussion_8"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20241101203200-ChristianKl-20241031084100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl">ChristianKl</a>: Including the headnoun in the name would be incorrect because a headnoun is not part of someone's name. A headnoun just establishes some common noun that applies to the entity, before stating what that name is. If it were standard in English to always call you "the Wikidatan Christian"—and indeed, this is roughly how some newspapers write—that wouldn't make "the Wikidatan" part of your name. So, that leaves two options: omit headnouns entirely from Wikidata, or create a property. If we did the former, it would not be possible to use Wikidata to figure out how to refer to or address someone in Toki Pona. You could guess with decent reliability based on P31 and some map of values to lexemes, but for the reasons explained above to ArthurPSmith, that will carry a significant error rate. In short: a headnoun is a required aspect of how people are addressed and referred to in Toki Pona, but is not semantically part of the name and cannot be fully predicted from other data. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup class="nowrap">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i></a>]</sup> <small>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tamzin/%F0%9F%A4%B7" class="extiw" title="w:User:Tamzin/🤷">they|xe</a>)</small> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Tamzin-20241101203200-ChristianKl-20241031084100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20241101203200-ChristianKl-20241031084100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20241101203200-ChristianKl-20241031084100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Provides_data_for_property" data-mw-thread-id="h-Provides_data_for_property-General-20241028100000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Provides_data_for_property-General-20241028100000"></span><span id="‎Provides_data_for_property"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎Provides data for property</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Provides_data_for_property-General-20241028100000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">the dataset associated with this external id usually contains data applicable to this other wikidata property</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-property" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Property</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>external id properties</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Property:P8364" title="Property:P8364">Deku Deals ID <small>(P8364)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Property:P2284" title="Property:P2284">price <small>(P2284)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Property:P13031" title="Property:P13031">MyWaifuList character ID <small>(P13031)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Property:P2048" title="Property:P2048">height <small>(P2048)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Property:P1476" title="Property:P1476">title <small>(P1476)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Property:P6262" title="Property:P6262">Fandom article ID <small>(P6262)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><i>unknown</i></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_9" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_9-Provides_data_for_property"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_9-Provides_data_for_property"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_9-Provides_data_for_property"></span></h3></div> <p>I was <a href="/wiki/Topic:Y70fye1orgmcw5z5" title="Topic:Y70fye1orgmcw5z5">asked by</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Kirilloparma" title="User:Kirilloparma"><bdi>Kirilloparma</bdi></a>: to save certain references not with <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL <small dir="ltr">(P854)</small></a> but instead (for instance) <a href="/wiki/Property:P12125" title="Property:P12125">‎Playdate Catalog ID <small dir="ltr">(P12125)</small></a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/Wikidata_for_Web" title="Wikidata:Tools/Wikidata for Web">Wikidata:Tools/Wikidata for Web</a>. </p><p>My concerns regarding this was that, I cannot automatically distinguish between data provided by the database item behind <a href="/wiki/Property:P12125" title="Property:P12125">‎Playdate Catalog ID <small dir="ltr">(P12125)</small></a> and information that just happens to be found under the same url. </p><p>Let's say the footer of a page might contain an email address, that is not related to the person reviewed in the page. </p><p>Or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://isbnsearch.org/">isbnsearch.org</a> would tell me the title of a book but I wouldn't use <a href="/wiki/Property:P212" title="Property:P212">ISBN-13 <small dir="ltr">(P212)</small></a> as the reference. </p><p>Now if I had an indication that a url that resolves to (for instance) an <a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small dir="ltr">(P345)</small></a> usually holds the information that applies to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1476" title="Property:P1476">title <small dir="ltr">(P1476)</small></a>, then I could make the assumption that it would make for a fitting reference statement when extracting this property from the url. </p><p>This information could be useful for other tools like: </p> <ul><li>A tool that tells you that an item should have a title and that you could find it on the IMDB</li> <li>A tool that highlights a reference that might be faulty because it occours in an unusual context. Let's say <a href="/wiki/Property:P8364" title="Property:P8364">Deku Deals ID <small dir="ltr">(P8364)</small></a> is used on a <a href="/wiki/Property:P569" title="Property:P569">date of birth <small dir="ltr">(P569)</small></a> statement.</li></ul> <p>If an ID points to a wiki, that could hold all kinds of statements, it should be set to <i>unknown</i>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_9" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_9-Provides_data_for_property-20241028100000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_9-Provides_data_for_property-20241028100000"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_9-Provides_data_for_property-20241028100000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shisma-20241028100000-Discussion_9"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Addshore" title="User:Addshore"><bdi>Addshore</bdi></a>: –<a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Shisma-20241028100000-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shisma-20241028100000-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shisma-20241028100000-Discussion_9"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Addshore-20241028102300-Discussion_9"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> I quite like the idea, and it falls in line with what I am trying to do with more visual cues on items for the viability of references / sources and notability <b><a href="/wiki/User:Addshore" title="User:Addshore"><span style="color:black">·addshore·</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Addshore" title="User talk:Addshore"><span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span></a></sup> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Addshore-20241028102300-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Addshore-20241028102300-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Addshore-20241028102300-Discussion_9"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Midleading-20241028150600-Discussion_9"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Question</b> Same as <a href="/wiki/Property:P8203" title="Property:P8203">supported metadata <small dir="ltr">(P8203)</small></a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Midleading" title="User:Midleading">Midleading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Midleading" title="User talk:Midleading"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Midleading-20241028150600-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Midleading-20241028150600-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Midleading-20241028150600-Discussion_9"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shisma-20241028151400-Midleading-20241028150600"></span>I'm not sure what this is meant for but the datatype is different. So it's definitely not the same. – <a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Shisma-20241028151400-Midleading-20241028150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shisma-20241028151400-Midleading-20241028150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shisma-20241028151400-Midleading-20241028150600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Property:P8203" title="Property:P8203"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Midleading-20241029040300-Shisma-20241028151400"></span>supported metadata <small dir="ltr">(P8203)</small></a> can be used to tell what kind of data a database stores, and not being limited to data that Wikidata has a property for. The example <span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q2082879" title="Q2082879">PubMed ID <small>(Q2082879)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P8203" title="Property:P8203">supported metadata <small>(P8203)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q25670" title="Q25670">digital object identifier <small>(Q25670)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is no different from the examples given here except that it accepts items which can be created by anyone. <a href="/wiki/User:Midleading" title="User:Midleading">Midleading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Midleading" title="User talk:Midleading"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Midleading-20241029040300-Shisma-20241028151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Midleading-20241029040300-Shisma-20241028151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Midleading-20241029040300-Shisma-20241028151400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wd-Ryan-20241028165600-Discussion_9"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> -<a href="/wiki/User:Wd-Ryan" title="User:Wd-Ryan">wd-Ryan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wd-Ryan" title="User talk:Wd-Ryan">Talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wd-Ryan" title="Special:Contributions/Wd-Ryan">Edits</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Wd-Ryan-20241028165600-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wd-Ryan-20241028165600-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wd-Ryan-20241028165600-Discussion_9"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241029010300-Discussion_9"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> Knowing the data a property may hold would be helpful for sourcing statements on items. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User:Lewis Hulbert">Lewis Hulbert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lewis_Hulbert" title="User talk:Lewis Hulbert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241029010300-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241029010300-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lewis_Hulbert-20241029010300-Discussion_9"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prototyperspective-20241029121400-Discussion_9"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> Useful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Prototyperspective-20241029121400-Discussion_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prototyperspective-20241029121400-Discussion_9"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prototyperspective-20241029121400-Discussion_9"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241101190900-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/18px-Symbol_wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/27px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Symbol_wait.svg/36px-Symbol_wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Wait</b> this property mixes three things together (1) Some entries in the database have data on this property. (2) All entries in the database have data on this property. (3) All entries have reliable data that's worthy of being imported on this property.</li></ul> <dl><dd>If we aren't clear about the meaning, different people are likely going to use it differently leading to bad conclusions. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241101190900-Prototyperspective-20241029121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241101190900-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241101190900-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shisma-20241102083400-ChristianKl-20241101190900"></span>I read the proposal and all comments again and I'm left with the impression the only assumed meaning of this property is (1). (2) can be expressed with a qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P5102" title="Property:P5102">nature of statement <small dir="ltr">(P5102)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q110143752" title="Q110143752">sometimes <small>(Q110143752)</small></a>. (3) if there is a property for it, I'd assume that the is a consensus that it is worthy of importing 🤷</dd> <dd>I have an instance were data is there, but it it's format is always faulty. I would just <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Deprecated rank"><img alt="Deprecated rank" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Deprecated_rank.svg/8px-Deprecated_rank.svg.png" decoding="async" width="8" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Deprecated_rank.svg/12px-Deprecated_rank.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Deprecated_rank.svg/16px-Deprecated_rank.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="8" data-file-height="20"/></span></span> deprecate the statement in such cases. We could do the same for when the source is known to be factually faulty <a href="/wiki/Property:P2241" title="Property:P2241">reason for deprecated rank <small dir="ltr">(P2241)</small></a> → <a href="/wiki/Q22979588" title="Q22979588">source known to be unreliable <small>(Q22979588)</small></a> –<a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Shisma-20241102083400-ChristianKl-20241101190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shisma-20241102083400-ChristianKl-20241101190900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shisma-20241102083400-ChristianKl-20241101190900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241102093800-Shisma-20241102083400"></span>"A tool that tells you that an item should have a title and that you could find it on the IMDB" is only true for (3). <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241102093800-Shisma-20241102083400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241102093800-Shisma-20241102083400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241102093800-Shisma-20241102083400"></span> <dl><dd><i><q><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shisma-20241102114800-ChristianKl-20241102093800"></span>A tool that tells you that an item should have a title and that you could find it on the IMDB</q></i> does not mean you shouldn't review it first. Did I imply we should do automatic imports based on this property alone? – <a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Shisma-20241102114800-ChristianKl-20241102093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shisma-20241102114800-ChristianKl-20241102093800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shisma-20241102114800-ChristianKl-20241102093800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241107093100-Shisma-20241102114800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> the general meaning of "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119">should</a>" is "there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a particular item, but the full implications must be understood and carefully weighed before choosing a different course".</dd> <dd>It's not clear whether <span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Property:P13031" title="Property:P13031">MyWaifuList character ID <small>(P13031)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">Provides data for property</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Property:P1853" title="Property:P1853">blood type <small>(P1853)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is how the property is supposed to be used. A tool complaining that everything with <a href="/wiki/Property:P13031" title="Property:P13031">MyWaifuList character ID <small dir="ltr">(P13031)</small></a> should have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1853" title="Property:P1853">blood type <small dir="ltr">(P1853)</small></a> would be wrong.</dd> <dd>While you didn't explicitely suggested automatic imports, the wording that you did use encourages people to read it as a justification of automatic imports. If you propose a property you not just have to think about how you want to use the property about also about how other people might misuse it and think about how to design the property to prevent misuse. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241107093100-Shisma-20241102114800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241107093100-Shisma-20241102114800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241107093100-Shisma-20241102114800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shisma-20241112084900-ChristianKl-20241107093100"></span>If the data provided is faulty, wrongly formatted, or unreliable we can surely express it with ranks and qualifiers. Don’t you think? — <a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Shisma-20241112084900-ChristianKl-20241107093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shisma-20241112084900-ChristianKl-20241107093100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shisma-20241112084900-ChristianKl-20241107093100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GZWDer-20241105112100-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"></span>Previous proposals: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/provides_data" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/provides data">Wikidata:Property proposal/provides data</a> and more refined ones: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/provides_HTML_microdata" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/provides HTML microdata">Wikidata:Property proposal/provides HTML microdata</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/provides_JSON-LD_data" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/provides JSON-LD data">Wikidata:Property proposal/provides JSON-LD data</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-GZWDer-20241105112100-Prototyperspective-20241029121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GZWDer-20241105112100-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GZWDer-20241105112100-Prototyperspective-20241029121400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Resistance_in_Belgium_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-General-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-General-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"></span><span id="Resistance_in_Belgium_ID"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Resistance in Belgium ID</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-General-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">identifier of persons, administrative areas, resistance organizations of world war 2,... on <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://data.arch.be/">https://data.arch.be/</a></span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q130564724" title="Q130564724">Resistance in Belgium</a> <small>(Q130564724)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human <small>(Q5)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q43229" title="Q43229">organization <small>(Q43229)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q6256" title="Q6256">country <small>(Q6256)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1767773" title="Q1767773">Groupe G <small>(Q1767773)</small></a>→<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://data.arch.be/wiki/Item:Q3790">Q3790</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q631073" title="Q631073">Walthère Dewé <small>(Q631073)</small></a>→<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://data.arch.be/wiki/Item:Q7400">Q7400</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q208713" title="Q208713">Ixelles - Elsene <small>(Q208713)</small></a>→<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://data.arch.be/wiki/Item:Q104">Q104</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q31" title="Q31">Belgium <small>(Q31)</small></a>→<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://data.arch.be/wiki/Item:Q5">Q5</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://data.arch.be/">https://data.arch.be/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://query.data.arch.be/">https://query.data.arch.be/</a>,</td></tr><tr><th>Planned use</th><td>Add the identifier to already created Wikidata Qid's.</td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://data.arch.be/wiki/Item:<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>Country</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q31" title="Q31">Belgium <small>(Q31)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Applicable <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">"stated in"</a>-value</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q130564724" title="Q130564724">Resistance in Belgium <small>(Q130564724)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Single-value constraint</th><td>yes</td></tr><tr><th>Wikidata project</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q10653810" title="Q10653810">WikiProject World War II <small>(Q10653810)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_10" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-20241028105100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-20241028105100"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-20241028105100"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RVA2869-20241028105100-Motivation_10"></span>Resistance in Belgium is a platform that makes it possible to do research on the resistance in Belgium during the Second World War.<br/><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b>: This database contains mostly persons, but most of them are only known in this database (<a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Notability" title="Wikidata:Notability">Wikidata:Notability</a>). That's why I said in the 'planned use' section that I will only use the ID for already created Wikidata QIDs. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:RVA2869" title="User:RVA2869">RVA2869</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RVA2869" title="User talk:RVA2869">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RVA2869" title="Special:Contributions/RVA2869">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-RVA2869-20241028105100-Motivation_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.</bdi></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RVA2869-20241028105100-Motivation_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RVA2869-20241028105100-Motivation_10"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_10" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_10-Resistance_in_Belgium_ID-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:StanProg" title="User:StanProg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-P.E._Bethke-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Discussion_10"></span>StanProg</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:P.E._Bethke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:P.E. Bethke (page does not exist)">PyeBeth</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:P.E._Bethke&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:P.E. Bethke (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) 17:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)P.E.Bethke <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BibliotheksTobi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BibliotheksTobi (page does not exist)">BibliotheksTobi</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pmt" title="User:Pmt">Pmt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pmt" title="User talk:Pmt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-P.E._Bethke-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P.E._Bethke-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P.E._Bethke-2020-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Discussion_10"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-2021-03-29T09:44:00.000Z-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Military_History/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Military History/Participants">participants of WikiProject Military History</a> & </p><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Emu" title="User:Emu">emu</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Bar%C3%A1nek" title="User:Daniel Baránek">Daniel Baránek</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CamelCaseNick" title="User:CamelCaseNick">CamelCaseNick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CamelCaseNick" title="User talk:CamelCaseNick"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:McSearch&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:McSearch (page does not exist)">McSearch</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) 09:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jane023-2021-03-29T09:44:00.000Z-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Nils.casties" title="User:Nils.casties">Nils Casties</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Nortix08" title="User:Nortix08">Nortix08</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nortix08" title="User talk:Nortix08"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-2021-03-29T09:44:00.000Z-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-2021-03-29T09:44:00.000Z-Discussion_10"></span> </div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samoasambia-20241102170500-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Victims_of_National_Socialism/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Victims of National Socialism/Participants">participants of WikiProject Victims of National Socialism</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#3F92D2"><b>Samoasambia</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia"><span style="color:#228B22"><b>✎</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Samoasambia-20241102170500-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><b>Lihavointi</b><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samoasambia-20241102170500-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samoasambia-20241102170500-Discussion_10"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vicarage-20241102171800-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> the website seems well organised and official, I see it uses wikibase software. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Vicarage-20241102171800-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vicarage-20241102171800-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vicarage-20241102171800-Discussion_10"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nortix08-20241102190000-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Nortix08" title="User:Nortix08">Nortix08</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nortix08" title="User talk:Nortix08"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Nortix08-20241102190000-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nortix08-20241102190000-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nortix08-20241102190000-Discussion_10"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jane023-20241103091500-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Interesting to see wikbase deployed there! Is this property proposal part of <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_WWII" title="Wikidata:WikiProject WWII">Wikidata:WikiProject WWII</a>? Here's a list of Dutch resistance members <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Netwerk_Oorlogsbronnen/Nederlandse_verzetsstrijders" title="Wikidata:Netwerk Oorlogsbronnen/Nederlandse verzetsstrijders">Wikidata:Netwerk Oorlogsbronnen/Nederlandse verzetsstrijders</a>. I assume there is overlap between Belgian and Dutch resistance members. Looking at the example items I noticed that the wikibase deployment seems to be simply a way to have a unique starting point for external links in en/nl/fr langauges. It seems to me it would be more beneficial to link those language links directly to the Wikidata items with specific properties per language, especially because it would be nice to provide such links as references to the WWII parts of people's lives. Obviously that 5 year period had a huge impact, but many people were notable for other reasons. I think the various resistance groups need items so I would start there, and not with the individuals, but a more generic property would enable that. As a wikidatan I feel comfortable navigating another wikibase item, but I doubt that's the case for many Wikipedians who could use those links for articles in their language of choice. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jane023-20241103091500-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jane023-20241103091500-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jane023-20241103091500-Discussion_10"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kdkeller-20241112162100-Discussion_10"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Kdkeller" title="User:Kdkeller">Kdkeller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kdkeller" title="User talk:Kdkeller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Kdkeller-20241112162100-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span 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data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Karmakolle" title="User:Karmakolle">Karmakolle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karmakolle" title="User talk:Karmakolle"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Karmakolle-20241114163800-Discussion_10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karmakolle-20241114163800-Discussion_10"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karmakolle-20241114163800-Discussion_10"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Data_analysis_method" data-mw-thread-id="h-Data_analysis_method-General-20241104212500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Data_analysis_method-General-20241104212500"></span><span id="‎Data_analysis_method"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎Data analysis method</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Data_analysis_method-General-20241104212500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">methods used in the main item for inspecting, cleansing, transforming, and modeling data with the goal of discovering useful information</span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1988917" title="Q1988917">data analysis</a> <small>(Q1988917)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q13442814" title="Q13442814">scholarly article <small>(Q13442814)</small></a> <p><a href="/wiki/Q591041" title="Q591041">scientific publication <small>(Q591041)</small></a> </p> <a href="/wiki/Q55915575" title="Q55915575">scholarly work <small>(Q55915575)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q73126791" title="Q73126791">Prediction of drug absorption using multivariate statistics <small>(Q73126791)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1952580" title="Q1952580">multivariate statistics <small>(Q1952580)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q27044649" title="Q27044649">Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action <small>(Q27044649)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q155207" title="Q155207">case study <small>(Q155207)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1436668" title="Q1436668">randomized controlled trial <small>(Q1436668)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q543310" title="Q543310">survival analysis <small>(Q543310)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_11" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_11-Data_analysis_method-20241104212500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_11-Data_analysis_method-20241104212500"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_11-Data_analysis_method-20241104212500"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241104212500-Motivation_11"></span>I did not find the right property to describe the method used in an academic work. This could be useful in the long run to make queries about scientific items and evaluate their quality for example. </p><p>(Maybe "uses data analysis method" is a better phrasing for the property name). </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241104212500-Motivation_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241104212500-Motivation_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241104212500-Motivation_11"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224800-Motivation_11"></span>Edit : I have listed existing properties on methods and my other property proposals here <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research/Data_models/Social_science_results#Properties_for_methods" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Wikidata for research/Data models/Social science results">Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research/Data_models/Social_science_results#Properties_for_methods</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224800-Motivation_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224800-Motivation_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224800-Motivation_11"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_11" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_11-Data_analysis_method-20241105205800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_11-Data_analysis_method-20241105205800"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_11-Data_analysis_method-20241105205800"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800-Discussion_11"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> I believe <a href="/wiki/Property:P921" title="Property:P921">main subject <small dir="ltr">(P921)</small></a> could be used for this now (although the label maybe doesn't quite fit). Would it make sense to have a more general "method" property though? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800-Discussion_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800-Discussion_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800-Discussion_11"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800"></span>Hi, thank you for your comment.</dd> <dd>Some scientific work are discussing methodologies themselves, those papers can have data analysis method as their <a href="/wiki/Property:P921" title="Property:P921">main subject <small>(P921)</small></a>. But the other would be simply be using these methods, while their subject are behaviours, organisations, diseases...</dd> <dd>I think it would be better to have something more specific than "method". We usually make the distinction between the research design (experiment, case study...), the data collection method (questionnaire, observation, physical measures...) and the data analysis methods (qualitative analysis, statistic, comparative analysis...). I plan to make other proposals for these.</dd> <dd>Having details about this for each research item would be useful to fit open science best practices about metadata. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500-ArthurPSmith-20241105205800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhenqinli-20241105231300-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500"></span>There are already more than 31 million statements in wikidata using <a href="/wiki/Property:P921" title="Property:P921">main subject <small dir="ltr">(P921)</small></a>, so it would unlikely be able to support use cases involving SPARQL queries. On the other hand, having a property that is too specific or narrow in scope may end up being rarely used, as in <a href="/wiki/Property:P6212" title="Property:P6212">heat treating <small dir="ltr">(P6212)</small></a>. A compromise is to have a new property such as "analysis method", with <a href="/wiki/Property:P8363" title="Property:P8363">study type <small dir="ltr">(P8363)</small></a> as Qualifier if needed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zhenqinli" title="User:Zhenqinli">Zhenqinli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhenqinli" title="User talk:Zhenqinli"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Zhenqinli-20241105231300-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhenqinli-20241105231300-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhenqinli-20241105231300-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105221500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600-Zhenqinli-20241105231300"></span>Hi, thanks, I missed <a href="/wiki/Property:P8363" title="Property:P8363">study type <small>(P8363)</small></a>, it would be a good fit for what I call "research design" in my jargon. Actually I would rather put "analysis method" as a qualifier for <a href="/wiki/Property:P8363" title="Property:P8363">study type <small>(P8363)</small></a> rather than the other way around. But I still think it can be useful on its own as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600-Zhenqinli-20241105231300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600-Zhenqinli-20241105231300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600-Zhenqinli-20241105231300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhenqinli-20241107152700-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600"></span>Sounds good. By the way, I see that you have another proposal <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Use_data_collection_instrument" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Use data collection instrument">Wikidata:Property proposal/Use data collection instrument</a>. Just wonder if it could be served instead by the existing property <b><a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283">uses <small dir="ltr">(P2283)</small></a></b>? In fact, you may browse the instances and subclasses of <a href="/wiki/Q119301849" title="Q119301849">Wikidata property related to method, methodology or mode of actions <small>(Q119301849)</small></a> for other existing/available Wikidata properties related to methods. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zhenqinli" title="User:Zhenqinli">Zhenqinli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhenqinli" title="User talk:Zhenqinli"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Zhenqinli-20241107152700-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhenqinli-20241107152700-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhenqinli-20241107152700-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241106160600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PAC2-20241110210200-Discussion_11"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> I think that <a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283">uses <small dir="ltr">(P2283)</small></a> could be used instead of creating a new property. <a href="/wiki/User:PAC2" title="User:PAC2">PAC2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PAC2" title="User talk:PAC2"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-PAC2-20241110210200-Discussion_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PAC2-20241110210200-Discussion_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PAC2-20241110210200-Discussion_11"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241113124000-Discussion_11"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud"><bdi>Jeanne Noiraud</bdi></a>: please refer to actual items in your examples instead of "Scientific article XXX". When properties get created, we set the properties examples of a new property based on what's written in the proposal and that's not possible without concrete items. Concrete items make it also generally easier to reason about how well the property serves the specific role in which it's used instead of only thinking about it generally. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241113124000-Discussion_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241113124000-Discussion_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241113124000-Discussion_11"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241113225200-ChristianKl-20241113124000"></span>Thanks, I updated the examples.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241113225200-ChristianKl-20241113124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241113225200-ChristianKl-20241113124000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241113225200-ChristianKl-20241113124000"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241113125000-Discussion_11"></span>While both <a href="/wiki/Property:P921" title="Property:P921">main subject <small dir="ltr">(P921)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283">uses <small dir="ltr">(P2283)</small></a> could theoretically contain this information, both of those are overly broad. I think it can be useful to have more specific properties in cases like this. <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241113125000-Discussion_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241113125000-Discussion_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241113125000-Discussion_11"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119152800-Discussion_11"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> with the label "analysis method" <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20241119152800-Discussion_11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119152800-Discussion_11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119152800-Discussion_11"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_data_collection_instrument" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_data_collection_instrument-General-20241105224100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_data_collection_instrument-General-20241105224100"></span><span id="‎Use_data_collection_instrument"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">‎Use data collection instrument</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_data_collection_instrument-General-20241105224100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Tool used by/in the subject to facilitate the collection of qualitative or quantitative data</span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q130941907" title="Q130941907">Data collection instrument</a> <small>(Q130941907)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q3307141" title="Q3307141">seismography <small>(Q3307141)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q160567" title="Q160567">seismometer <small>(Q160567)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q3490295" title="Q3490295">survey <small>(Q3490295)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q747810" title="Q747810">questionnaire <small>(Q747810)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q12318532" title="Q12318532">research interview <small>(Q12318532)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q130943292" title="Q130943292">Interview guide <small>(Q130943292)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q44484223" title="Q44484223">finding of heart rate <small>(Q44484223)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q162339" title="Q162339">stethoscope <small>(Q162339)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 5</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject">Scientific paper in social science</b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q747810" title="Q747810">questionnaire <small>(Q747810)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 6</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject">Scientific paper on biodiversity tracking</b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1723004" title="Q1723004">camera trap <small>(Q1723004)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://vocabularies.cessda.eu/urn/urn:ddi:int.ddi.cv:TypeOfInstrument:1.1.2">https://vocabularies.cessda.eu/urn/urn:ddi:int.ddi.cv:TypeOfInstrument:1.1.2</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_12" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_12-Use_data_collection_instrument-20241105224100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_12-Use_data_collection_instrument-20241105224100"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_12-Use_data_collection_instrument-20241105224100"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224100-Motivation_12"></span>I am trying to create relevant properties for scientific research items metadata and I find there are many properties missing. This property is inspired by existing controlled social science vocabulary, but can be used for many science related items. </p><p>The closest property for now is probably <a href="/wiki/Property:P2283" title="Property:P2283">uses <small dir="ltr">(P2283)</small></a>, but it seems too generic. I have listed existing properties on methods and my other property proposals here <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research/Data_models/Social_science_results#Properties_for_methods" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Wikidata for research/Data models/Social science results">Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research/Data_models/Social_science_results#Properties_for_methods</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User:Jeanne Noiraud">Jeanne Noiraud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_Noiraud" title="User talk:Jeanne Noiraud"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224100-Motivation_12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224100-Motivation_12"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_Noiraud-20241105224100-Motivation_12"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_12" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_12-Use_data_collection_instrument"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_12-Use_data_collection_instrument"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_12-Use_data_collection_instrument"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Measuring_point_uuid" data-mw-thread-id="h-Measuring_point_uuid-General-20241107161300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Measuring_point_uuid-General-20241107161300"></span><span id="Measuring_point_uuid"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Measuring point uuid</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Measuring_point_uuid-General-20241107161300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Measuring point uuid or Measurement points uuid, german Messstellenuuid, is the unique identifier for measuring points at which collects data.</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>item</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q195284" title="Q195284">Universally Unique Identifier <small>(Q195284)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q110797934" title="Q110797934">Stream gauge Berlin-Mühlendamm UP <small>(Q110797934)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/stammdaten?pegelnr=582730">09e15cf6-f155-4b76-b92f-6c260839121c</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q110805383" title="Q110805383">Stream gauge Berlin-Ploetzensee OP <small>(Q110805383)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/stammdaten?pegelnr=586640">ee52ce62-212c-4735-b438-26fbdc37e3e2</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q60773342" title="Q60773342">Pegel Mannheim <small>(Q60773342)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/stammdaten?pegelnr=23700700">57090802-c51a-4d09-8340-b4453cd0e1f5</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/pegeltabelle">https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/pegeltabelle</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/stammdaten?pegelnr=23700700">https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/stammdaten?pegelnr=23700700</a></td></tr><tr><th>External links</th><td>Use in sister projects: <small> <a class="external text" href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ar]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[de]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[es]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[he]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[it]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ja]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ko]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[nl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ru]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[sv]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[vi]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[zh]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[commons]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[species]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[wd]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en.wikt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegelonline.wsv.de%2Fgast%2Fstammdaten%3Fpegelnr%3D586640&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr.wikt]</a></small>.</td></tr><tr><th>Planned use</th><td>I like to add all wate level measurement point in Germany. They are used at rivers, chanles, at North and Barentsea.</td></tr><tr><th>Number of IDs in source</th><td>In Germany there are more than 650 measurement points. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/pegeltabelle">https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/pegeltabelle</a></td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873974" title="Q21873974">eventually complete</a> <small>(Q21873974)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Single-value constraint</th><td>yes</td></tr><tr><th>Distinct-values constraint</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_13" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107161300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107161300"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107161300"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GodeNehler-20241107161300-Motivation_13"></span>In Germany, for example, the measuring point uuid is used as a unique identifier for water level measuring points (Stream gauge). At these points, the current level of the water of rivers, channels, lakes or the sea will be collected. These Measuring points have a coordinate. This will belong to the Project Germany, <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Rivers" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Rivers">WikiProject Rivers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Geology" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Geology">WikiProject Geology</a>. These Measurement points indicates the difference between standard sea level and actual water level. As alternativ a general uuid value can be implemented. There are already uuid properties, but they are to specific, either people <a href="/wiki/Property:P8990" title="Property:P8990">World Rowing UUID</a> or books <a href="/wiki/Property:P9037" title="Property:P9037">BHCL UUID</a>. If a universal uuid is implemented, it would be fine for my project. I like to add all wate level measurement point in Germany. They are used at rivers, Canals, at North- and Baltic Sea. In Germany there are more than 650 measurement points. See also extern: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.pegelonline.wsv.de/gast/pegeltabelle">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:GodeNehler" title="User:GodeNehler">GodeNehler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GodeNehler" title="User talk:GodeNehler"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-GodeNehler-20241107161300-Motivation_13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GodeNehler-20241107161300-Motivation_13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GodeNehler-20241107161300-Motivation_13"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_13" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107213800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107213800"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_13-Measuring_point_uuid-20241107213800"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChristianKl-20241107213800-Discussion_13"></span>Take a look at how property descriptions are usually written, and write one for this property in the same form. Currently, it's not clear to me whether this is supposed to be a property about a certain German identifer (so a standard external ID property) or supposed to be something more general.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Is there some regulation that codifies these measuring points? <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl"><span style="color:#0000EE;"><b>ChristianKl</b></span></a> ❪<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChristianKl" title="User talk:ChristianKl">✉</a>❫ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ChristianKl-20241107213800-Discussion_13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChristianKl-20241107213800-Discussion_13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChristianKl-20241107213800-Discussion_13"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Marktstammdatenregisternummer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-General-20241109000000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-General-20241109000000"></span><span id="Marktstammdatenregisternummer"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Marktstammdatenregisternummer</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-General-20241109000000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="de">Im Marktstammdatenregister werden pro Eintrag verschiedene Nummern vergeben. Sie sollen zusammengefasst als Eigenschaft <i>Marktstammdatenregisternummer</i> angegeben werden können. Für die verschiedenen Nummerntypen - genauer gesagt Präfixe, die verschiedene Bezüge haben (<i>SEE[...]</i> identifiziert eine Einheit, <i>SGE[...]</i> eine Genehmigung, <i>ABR[...]</i> einen Anlagenbetreiber usw.) - wären einzelne Qualifier denkbar.</span> <small>(de)</small> – (<i>Please translate this into English.</i>)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q130696971" title="Q130696971">no label</a> <small>(Q130696971)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>item</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q130706160" title="Q130706160">Q130706160</a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">SEE957863394442</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q130706160" title="Q130706160">Q130706160</a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">SGE998787568830</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q130706156" title="Q130706156">Q130706156</a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">SEE926057008953</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q130706156" title="Q130706156">Q130706156</a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">SGE998787568830</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 5</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q130701667" title="Q130701667">Q130701667</a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">ABR951932196005</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marktstammdatenregister">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marktstammdatenregister</a>; <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Einheit/Einheiten/OeffentlicheEinheitenuebersicht">https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Einheit/Einheiten/OeffentlicheEinheitenuebersicht</a></td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Wikidata project</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6871603" title="Q6871603">WikiProject Germany <small>(Q6871603)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_14" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer"></span></h3></div> <p>Die Aufnahme dieser ID hat auch für die Datenpflege hier einen expliziten Nutzen, z. B. in der Vermeidung von Dubletten oder der eindeutigen Zuweisung, falls kein Label verwendet wird/kein sinnvolles Label verwendet werden kann. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:P170" title="User:P170">P170</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:P170" title="User talk:P170">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/P170" title="Special:Contributions/P170">contribs</a></bdi>).</bdi></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_14" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-20241109000000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-20241109000000"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_14-Marktstammdatenregisternummer-20241109000000"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Printstream-20241109000000-Discussion_14"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Enorme Fülle an Detailinformationen zum deutschen Energiesystem, daher definitiv ein nützlicher Vorschlag. Ich würde aber nicht für jeden Prefix der Nummer eine eigene Eigenschaft erstellen, sondern alle Typen von Einheiten, Betreibern usw. unter einer zusammenfassen. (Daher würde ich auch die beiden Wikidata Einträge zusammenlegen, weil es eigentlich der selbe Identifikator ist.) Weißt du darüber hinaus, ob das Online-Portal eine Möglichkeit bietet anhand der MaStR-Nummer auf den jeweiligen öffentlichen Registereintrag zu verlinken? (sowas wie marktstammdatenregister.de/{MaStR-Nummer} leitet dann auf die entsprechende Seite im Register weiter) Aus formellen Gründen wären außerdem zwei weitere Beispiele noch gut. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Printstream (page does not exist)">Printstream</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Printstream (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Printstream-20241109000000-Discussion_14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Printstream-20241109000000-Discussion_14"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Printstream-20241109000000-Discussion_14"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-P170-20241109085000-Printstream-20241109000000"></span>Hi! <ul><li>Zwei weitere Beispiele habe ich ergänzt.</li> <li>Mir wäre es (leider) nicht bekannt, dass aus der MaStR-Nummer auf den Eintrag verlinkt werden kann</li> <li>Dein Vorschlag die IDs für Einheiten, Betreiber usw. unter einer Eigenschaft zusammenzufassen klingt sinnvoll. Ich ändere das und gehe davon aus, dass das kein Problem ist und kein neuer Vorschlag nötig ist.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:P170" title="User:P170">P170</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P170" title="User talk:P170"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-P170-20241109085000-Printstream-20241109000000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P170-20241109085000-Printstream-20241109000000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P170-20241109085000-Printstream-20241109000000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-P170-20241109085900-P170-20241109085000"></span>Ergänzung: Zusammenfassen bedeutet allerdings, dass eine Einheit bei Wikidata mehrere MaStR-Nummern erhält: Für die Einheit an sich, dann gibt es bspw. noch eine MaStR-Nummer für die EEG-Anlage und teilweise eine MaStR-Nummer für die Genehmigung. Diese beiden letztgenannten Beispiele fallen ja auch unter das eine Wikidata-Objekt. Siehst Du da ein Problem oder hattest Du das schon einkalkuliert? <a href="/wiki/User:P170" title="User:P170">P170</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P170" title="User talk:P170"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-P170-20241109085900-P170-20241109085000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P170-20241109085900-P170-20241109085000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P170-20241109085900-P170-20241109085000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Printstream-20241109104600-P170-20241109085900"></span>Mehrere MaStR-Nummern pro Objekt sind kein Problem, können dann per Qualifier einfach spezifiziert werden. Da müsste man sich dann auf eine einheitliche Methode einigen. Vielleicht mit <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small dir="ltr">(P31)</small></a> und dann jeweils eigenen Wikidata-Objekten für die 23 verschiedenen Prefixe/Typen von Einträgen. Wegen der Weiterleitung habe bei der BNetzA mal angefragt. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Printstream (page does not exist)">Printstream</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Printstream (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Printstream-20241109104600-P170-20241109085900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Printstream-20241109104600-P170-20241109085900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Printstream-20241109104600-P170-20241109085900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SuPich-20241125223600-Printstream-20241109000000"></span>Bzgl. der Verlinkung: In der URL ist eine eindeutige ID erkennbar, z. B. 3046180: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Einheit/Detail/IndexOeffentlich/3046180">https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Einheit/Detail/IndexOeffentlich/3046180</a></dd> <dd>Diese verändert sich auch nicht, könnte also auch als Referenz-ID verwendet werden, um auf das MaStR zu verlinken. Evtl. könnte man sich dann auch die übrigen IDs sparen.</dd> <dd>Ansonsten würde ich dieses Proposal auf jeden Fall unterstützen, da im MaStR viele relevante Informationen drinstecken!</dd> <dd>-- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SuPich&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SuPich (page does not exist)">SuPich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SuPich" title="User talk:SuPich"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-SuPich-20241125223600-Printstream-20241109000000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SuPich-20241125223600-Printstream-20241109000000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SuPich-20241125223600-Printstream-20241109000000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SuPich-20241125224200-SuPich-20241125223600"></span>Ein bisschen Reverse Engineering hat mich auf folgende API gebracht: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Schnellsuche/Schnellsuche?praefix=SEE&mastrNummerOrId=930503783721">https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Schnellsuche/Schnellsuche?praefix=SEE&mastrNummerOrId=930503783721</a></dd> <dd>Die Response ist <code>{"url":"/MaStR/Einheit/Detail/IndexOeffentlich/3046180"}</code>, liefert also die gewünschte URL.</dd> <dd>Das gleiche funktioniert dann z.B. auch mit der EEG-Nummer, die auf (fast) dieselbe URL führt, nur mit dem passendem Abschnitts-Anker: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Schnellsuche/Schnellsuche?praefix=EEG&mastrNummerOrId=910547427461">https://www.marktstammdatenregister.de/MaStR/Schnellsuche/Schnellsuche?praefix=EEG&mastrNummerOrId=910547427461</a></dd> <dd><code>{"url":"/MaStR/Einheit/Detail/IndexOeffentlich/3046180#eeg"}</code></dd> <dd>Falls es also möglich ist, diese API anzubinden, könnten wir auch direkt diese Nummern verwenden. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SuPich&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SuPich (page does not exist)">SuPich</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SuPich" title="User talk:SuPich"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-SuPich-20241125224200-SuPich-20241125223600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SuPich-20241125224200-SuPich-20241125223600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SuPich-20241125224200-SuPich-20241125223600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Bigbossfarin" title="User:Bigbossfarin"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Printstream-20241111134700-Discussion_14"></span>Bigbossfarin</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Labant" title="User:Labant">Labant</a> <a href="/wiki/User:M2k~dewiki" title="User:M2k~dewiki">M2k~dewiki</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mathieu_Kappler" title="User:Mathieu Kappler">Mathieu Kappler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PantherStrix" title="User:PantherStrix">PantherStrix</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wiljes" title="User:Wiljes">Wiljes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jobu0101" title="User:Jobu0101">jobu0101</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cookroach" title="User:Cookroach">cookroach</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Looniverse" title="User:Looniverse">Looniverse</a> <a href="/wiki/User:LockaPicker" title="User:LockaPicker">LockaPicker</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Printstream (page does not exist)">Printstream</a></div><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Germany/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Germany/Participants">participants of WikiProject Germany</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Printstream (page does not exist)">Printstream</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Printstream (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Printstream-20241111134700-Discussion_14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Printstream-20241111134700-Discussion_14"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Printstream-20241111134700-Discussion_14"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000-Discussion_14"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> Are the entities described by this ID actually notable? Individual wind turbines for example? That seems a stretch to plan to include them all. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000-Discussion_14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000-Discussion_14"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000-Discussion_14"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Printstream-20241120173800-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000"></span>I wouldn't focus solely on wind turbines, as the ID also captures a wide range of other entities. The register contains almost all entities that are in some way connected to the German energy infrastructure. This includes larger power plants of all kinds, thousands of companies (e.g., grid operators or all German municipal utilities, for which, to my knowledge, there is no other identifier in Germany), as well as authorities, energy trading platforms, business associations, and more. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Printstream (page does not exist)">Printstream</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Printstream&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Printstream (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Printstream-20241120173800-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Printstream-20241120173800-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Printstream-20241120173800-ArthurPSmith-20241119151000"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OAI_formatter" data-mw-thread-id="h-OAI_formatter-General-20241112145000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OAI_formatter-General-20241112145000"></span><span id="OAI_formatter"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">OAI formatter</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-OAI_formatter-General-20241112145000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#FFF8DC;"> </span> Ready <sup><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewProperty&lang=en&label=OAI+formatter&description=formatter+to+generate+ID+compatible+with+%5B%5Bd%3AQ2430433%7COpen+Archives+Initiative+Protocol+for+Metadata+Harvesting+%3Csmall%3E%28Q2430433%29%3C%2Fsmall%3E%5D%5D+services&datatype=string">Create</a></sup></div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">formatter to generate ID compatible with <a href="/wiki/Q2430433" title="Q2430433">Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting <small>(Q2430433)</small></a> services</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P1949" title="Property:P1949">CulturaItalia ID <small dir="ltr">(P1949)</small></a> => $1</td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P818" title="Property:P818">arXiv ID <small dir="ltr">(P818)</small></a> => oai:arXiv.org:$1</td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P932" title="Property:P932">PMC publication ID <small dir="ltr">(P932)</small></a> => oai:pubmedcentral.nih.gov:$1</td></tr><tr><th>Example 4</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P7864" title="Property:P7864">HAL article ID <small dir="ltr">(P7864)</small></a> => oai:HAL:$1</td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P7470" title="Property:P7470">URN formatter <small dir="ltr">(P7470)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P8054" title="Property:P8054">ARK formatter <small dir="ltr">(P8054)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P8404" title="Property:P8404">DOI formatter <small dir="ltr">(P8404)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_15" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_15-OAI_formatter-20241112145000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_15-OAI_formatter-20241112145000"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_15-OAI_formatter-20241112145000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GZWDer-20241112145000-Motivation_15"></span>Note there is no single resolver for this ID.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-GZWDer-20241112145000-Motivation_15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GZWDer-20241112145000-Motivation_15"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GZWDer-20241112145000-Motivation_15"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_15" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_15-OAI_formatter-20241119150000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_15-OAI_formatter-20241119150000"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_15-OAI_formatter-20241119150000"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119150000-Discussion_15"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> I wasn't aware this was so complicated, it sounds useful to have this property then. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-ArthurPSmith-20241119150000-Discussion_15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119150000-Discussion_15"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-20241119150000-Discussion_15"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awinkler3-20241126123600-Discussion_15"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> A very useful proposal, I think, that smoothens programmatic data access via OAI. <a href="/wiki/User:Awinkler3" title="User:Awinkler3">Awinkler3</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awinkler3" title="User talk:Awinkler3"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Awinkler3-20241126123600-Discussion_15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awinkler3-20241126123600-Discussion_15"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awinkler3-20241126123600-Discussion_15"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kdkeller-20241126205200-Discussion_15"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> Sounds great. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kdkeller" title="User:Kdkeller">Kdkeller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kdkeller" title="User talk:Kdkeller"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Kdkeller-20241126205200-Discussion_15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kdkeller-20241126205200-Discussion_15"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kdkeller-20241126205200-Discussion_15"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Open_Library_Collection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Open_Library_Collection-General-20241113110900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Open_Library_Collection-General-20241113110900"></span><span id="Open_Library_Collection"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Open Library Collection</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Open_Library_Collection-General-20241113110900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Link to Open Library Collection which contain manually and automaticallly collections of editions and works on certain topics</span></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#url" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1429532" title="Q1429532">Meyers Reisebücher <small>(Q1429532)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a class="external free" href="https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Meyers_Reiseb%C3%BCcher">https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Meyers_Reiseb%C3%BCcher</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q462" title="Q462">Star Wars <small>(Q462)</small></a></b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object"><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://openlibrary.org/collections/star-wars">https://openlibrary.org/collections/star-wars</a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><span class="statement"><b class="subject">subject</b><span class="predicate">→</span><span class="object">value</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></td></tr><tr><th>Planned use</th><td>Sie soll dazu dienen Themen in der WD mit Collections in der OL zu verlinken. Das würde ich gerne nutzen.</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://openlibrary.org/collections/<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P648" title="Property:P648">Open Library ID <small dir="ltr">(P648)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P3847" title="Property:P3847">Open Library subject ID <small dir="ltr">(P3847)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P12088" title="Property:P12088">Open Library publisher ID <small dir="ltr">(P12088)</small></a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_16" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_16-Open_Library_Collection-20241113110900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_16-Open_Library_Collection-20241113110900"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Motivation</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_16-Open_Library_Collection-20241113110900"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ogmios-20241113110900-Motivation_16"></span>Bessere Verlinkung der DAten in der OpenLibrary. <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ogmios&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ogmios (page does not exist)">Ogmios</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ogmios" title="User talk:Ogmios">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ogmios" title="Special:Contributions/Ogmios">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Ogmios-20241113110900-Motivation_16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>.</bdi></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ogmios-20241113110900-Motivation_16"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ogmios-20241113110900-Motivation_16"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_16" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_16-Open_Library_Collection"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_16-Open_Library_Collection"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_16-Open_Library_Collection"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-General-20241122104100"><span id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_.28French.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-General-20241122104100"></span><span id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Radio Algeria tag ID (French)</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-General-20241122104100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">identifier for a tag on Algerian French-language website of the sound broadcasting company <i>Radio Algeria</i></span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2004597" title="Q2004597">Radio Algeria</a> <small>(Q2004597)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>^[a-zA-Z0-9].*$</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q262" title="Q262">Algeria <small>(Q262)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/fr/tags/algerie">algerie</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15" title="Q15">Africa <small>(Q15)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/fr/tags/afrique">afrique</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q46" title="Q46">Europe <small>(Q46)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/fr/tags/europe">europe</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://news.radioalgerie.dz/fr">https://news.radioalgerie.dz/fr</a></td></tr><tr><th>External links</th><td>Use in sister projects: <small> <a class="external text" href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ar]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[de]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[es]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[he]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[it]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ja]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ko]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[nl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ru]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[sv]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[vi]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[zh]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[commons]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[species]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[wd]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en.wikt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.radioalgerie.dz%2Ffr&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr.wikt]</a></small>.</td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://radioalgerie.dz/news/fr/tags/<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P6621" title="Property:P6621">Le Figaro tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6621)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6622" title="Property:P6622">Le Parisien tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6622)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6813" title="Property:P6813">Mediapart tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6813)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_17" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122104100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122104100"></span>Motivation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122104100"></span></h3></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soufiyouns-20241122104100-Motivation_17"></span>Vladimir Alexiev</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jneubert" title="User:Jneubert">Jneubert</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sic19" title="User:Sic19">Sic19</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wikidelo" title="User:Wikidelo">Wikidelo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PKM" title="User:PKM">PKM</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ettorerizza" title="User:Ettorerizza">Ettorerizza</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fuzheado" title="User:Fuzheado">Fuzheado</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Iwan.Aucamp" title="User:Iwan.Aucamp">Iwan.Aucamp</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sotho_Tal_Ker" title="User:Sotho Tal Ker">Sotho Tal Ker</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni">Bargioni</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Carlobia" title="User:Carlobia">Carlobia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matlin" title="User:Matlin">Matlin</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Msuicat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Msuicat (page does not exist)">Msuicat</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Uomovariabile" title="User:Uomovariabile">Uomovariabile</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Silva_Selva" title="User:Silva Selva">Silva Selva</a> <a href="/wiki/User:1-Byte" title="User:1-Byte">1-Byte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Alessandra.Moi" title="User:Alessandra.Moi">Alessandra.Moi</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CamelCaseNick" title="User:CamelCaseNick">CamelCaseNick</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Songceci" title="User:Songceci">Songceci</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Elena_moz" title="User:Elena moz">moz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AhavaCohen" title="User:AhavaCohen">AhavaCohen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RShigapov" title="User:RShigapov">RShigapov</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jason.nlw" title="User:Jason.nlw">Jason.nlw</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MasterRus21thCentury" title="User:MasterRus21thCentury">MasterRus21thCentury</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NGOgo" title="User:NGOgo">NGOgo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Tribhou" title="User:Pierre Tribhou">Pierre Tribhou</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ahatd" title="User:Ahatd">Ahatd</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JordanTimothyJames" title="User:JordanTimothyJames">JordanTimothyJames</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Silviafanti" title="User:Silviafanti">Silviafanti</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Back_ache" title="User:Back ache">Back ache</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AfricanLibrarian" title="User:AfricanLibrarian">AfricanLibrarian</a> <a href="/wiki/User:M.roszkowski" title="User:M.roszkowski">M.roszkowski</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rhagfyr" title="User:Rhagfyr">Rhagfyr</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%E6%B2%88%E6%BE%84%E5%BF%83" title="User:沈澄心">沈澄心</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MrBenjo" title="User:MrBenjo">MrBenjo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S.v.Mering" title="User:S.v.Mering">S.v.Mering</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hiperterminal" title="User:Hiperterminal">Hiperterminal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hiperterminal" title="User talk:Hiperterminal"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="/wiki/User:%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%A3" title="User:מקף">מקף</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lovelano" title="User:Lovelano">Lovelano</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ecravo" title="User:Ecravo">Ecravo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Chado07" title="User:Chado07">Chado07</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a> </div><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control/Participants">participants of WikiProject Authority control</a>: I propose to create a new property for the tags on the French-language website of the Algerian sound broadcasting company <a href="/wiki/Q2004597" title="Q2004597">Radio Algeria <small>(Q2004597)</small></a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soufiyouns" title="User talk:Soufiyouns"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Soufiyouns-20241122104100-Motivation_17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soufiyouns-20241122104100-Motivation_17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soufiyouns-20241122104100-Motivation_17"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion_17" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122110900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122110900"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_17-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(French)-20241122110900"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241122110900-Discussion_17"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Support</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Kolja21-20241122110900-Discussion_17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241122110900-Discussion_17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241122110900-Discussion_17"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soufiyouns-20241126150500-Discussion_17"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b>: See also <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID (Arabic)">Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID (Arabic)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soufiyouns" title="User talk:Soufiyouns"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#c-Soufiyouns-20241126150500-Discussion_17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soufiyouns-20241126150500-Discussion_17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soufiyouns-20241126150500-Discussion_17"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-General-20241126092100"><span id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_.28Arabic.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-General-20241126092100"></span><span id="Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)"></span><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Radio Algeria tag ID (Arabic)</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-General-20241126092100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div><span style="background-color:#CCC;"> </span> Under discussion</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><span dir="ltr" lang="en">identifier for a tag on Algerian Arabic-language website of the sound broadcasting company <i>Radio Algeria</i></span></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2004597" title="Q2004597">Radio Algeria</a> <small>(Q2004597)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>^[أ-ي0-9].*$</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q262" title="Q262">Algeria <small>(Q262)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/tags/الجزائر">الجزائر</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15" title="Q15">Africa <small>(Q15)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/tags/أفريقيا">أفريقيا</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q46" title="Q46">Europe <small>(Q46)</small></a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/tags/أوروبا">أوروبا</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/">https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/</a></td></tr><tr><th>External links</th><td>Use in sister projects: <small> <a class="external text" href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ar]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[de]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[es]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[he]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[it]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ja]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ko]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[nl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pl]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[pt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[ru]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[sv]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[vi]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[zh]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[commons]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[species]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[wd]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[en.wikt]</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fradioalgerie.dz%2Fnews%2Far%2F&title=Special%3ALinkSearch">[fr.wikt]</a></small>.</td></tr><tr><th>Expected completeness</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q21873886" title="Q21873886">always incomplete</a> <small>(Q21873886)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://radioalgerie.dz/news/ar/tags/<b>$1</b></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P6621" title="Property:P6621">Le Figaro tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6621)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6622" title="Property:P6622">Le Parisien tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6622)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P6813" title="Property:P6813">Mediapart tag ID <small dir="ltr">(P6813)</small></a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motivation_18" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motivation_18-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-20241126092100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motivation_18-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-20241126092100"></span>Motivation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motivation_18-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-20241126092100"></span></h3></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soufiyouns-20241126092100-Motivation_18"></span>Vladimir Alexiev</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jneubert" title="User:Jneubert">Jneubert</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sic19" title="User:Sic19">Sic19</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wikidelo" title="User:Wikidelo">Wikidelo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PKM" title="User:PKM">PKM</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ettorerizza" title="User:Ettorerizza">Ettorerizza</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fuzheado" title="User:Fuzheado">Fuzheado</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Iwan.Aucamp" title="User:Iwan.Aucamp">Iwan.Aucamp</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sotho_Tal_Ker" title="User:Sotho Tal Ker">Sotho Tal Ker</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni">Bargioni</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Carlobia" title="User:Carlobia">Carlobia</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matlin" title="User:Matlin">Matlin</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Msuicat&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Msuicat (page does not exist)">Msuicat</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Uomovariabile" title="User:Uomovariabile">Uomovariabile</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Silva_Selva" title="User:Silva Selva">Silva Selva</a> <a href="/wiki/User:1-Byte" title="User:1-Byte">1-Byte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Alessandra.Moi" title="User:Alessandra.Moi">Alessandra.Moi</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CamelCaseNick" title="User:CamelCaseNick">CamelCaseNick</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Songceci" title="User:Songceci">Songceci</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Elena_moz" title="User:Elena moz">moz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AhavaCohen" title="User:AhavaCohen">AhavaCohen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RShigapov" title="User:RShigapov">RShigapov</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jason.nlw" title="User:Jason.nlw">Jason.nlw</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MasterRus21thCentury" title="User:MasterRus21thCentury">MasterRus21thCentury</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NGOgo" title="User:NGOgo">NGOgo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_Tribhou" title="User:Pierre Tribhou">Pierre Tribhou</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ahatd" title="User:Ahatd">Ahatd</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JordanTimothyJames" title="User:JordanTimothyJames">JordanTimothyJames</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Silviafanti" title="User:Silviafanti">Silviafanti</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Back_ache" title="User:Back ache">Back ache</a> <a 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control/Participants">participants of WikiProject Authority control</a>: I propose to create a new property for the tags on the Arabic-language website of the Algerian sound broadcasting company <a href="/wiki/Q2004597" title="Q2004597">Radio Algeria <small>(Q2004597)</small></a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a> (<a 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data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion_18-Radio_Algeria_tag_ID_(Arabic)-20241126141300"></span></h3></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241126141300-Discussion_18"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b>: See also <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Radio_Algeria_tag_ID" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID">Wikidata:Property proposal/Radio Algeria tag ID (French)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" 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