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It adds a menu which works on the Vector 2022 skin and allows logged-in users to choose different font sizes based on individual needs. This makes it easier to serve the accessibility needs for more people. For more information, check out \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements\" title=\"Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwCg\"\u003Eour project page\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwCw\"\u003EThe menu introduces a new Standard font setting. It slightly increases the size and height of the font. It was selected by looking at the preferences of editors using the beta feature, general recommendations for accessibility (which font is quickest to read for the majority of people), as well as the suggestions and designs of more than 600 Wikimedians. You will find more information on this setting below. This menu has been available on Wikipedias since June 2024.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwDA\"\u003E\u003Cb id=\"mwDQ\"\u003EWe are now ready to make the new Appearance menu available for logged-out and logged-in users on all wikis, including this one. At the same time, we will also make the Standard option the new default for logged-out users only. If no breaking technical issues are found, we plan on making this change in the week of September 9\u003C/b\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cstyle data-mw-deduplicate=\"TemplateStyles:r6651106\" typeof=\"mw:Extension/templatestyles mw:Transclusion\" about=\"#mwt1\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;name\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;templatestyles\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;attrs\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;src\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Template:Hidden/styles.css\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;hidden\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Hidden\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;About the menu\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;2\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;The new menu will allow logged-in and logged-out users to set preferences for:\\n\\n# '''Text size and line height''' (available now as the beta feature): Users will be able to choose between the Small (current default), Standard (recommended for better accessibility), and Large options. Selecting an option will change both the font size and line height of the text.\\n#[[File:Screenshot of the Vector-2022 skin's fullscreen toggle.png|thumb]] '''Content width''' (previously available as a toggle button): We have moved the content width toggle from an icon at the bottom of the page to a labeled radio button in the new menu. It will work exactly the same as the toggle. The previous toggle button will no longer be available.\\n# '''Dark mode (coming soon!)''': Users will be able to choose to see the site in night mode on a permanent basis, or select an \u0026#x201C;automatic\u0026#x201D; setting which will set day or night mode based on the device or browser preferences.\u0026#xA0;Dark mode is already available in the menu as a beta feature - check it out by opting into the \u0026#x201C;Accessibility fo Reading\u0026#x201D; \\n\\nThis menu has been [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading#December_2023:_A_new_beta_feature:_Accessibility_for_Reading_(Vector_2022)|tested as a beta feature]] by logged-in users across wikis as well as in [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Usability_testing|user testing with readers]]. The menu has also been the default on all Wikipedias since June 2024. Based on the findings of these tests, we changed the menu to improve the user experience, menu discoverability and ease of use, and to accommodate gadget compatibility across wikis.\\n\\nThe menu will appear to the right of the page, immediately under the Tools menu. Similar to the Tools menu, the menu will appear as open by default, but can be pinned. Once pinned, the menu collapses under an icon at the top of the page.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwDg\"\u003E@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .template-hidden,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .template-hidden-header{background-color:inherit!important;color:inherit!important}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .template-hidden,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .template-hidden-header{background-color:inherit!important;color:inherit!important}}\u003C/style\u003E\u003Cspan about=\"#mwt1\"\u003E\n\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ctable border=\"1\u0026quot;\" cellspacing=\"0\u0026quot;\" cellpadding=\"2\" class=\"template-hidden mw-collapsible mw-collapsed\" style=\"width:100%;margin:0;padding:0;border:1px solid #999999;border-collapse:collapse;background:#FFFFFF\" about=\"#mwt1\"\u003E\n\u003Ctbody\u003E\u003Ctr\u003E\n\u003Cth style=\"text-align:center;\"\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\"template-hidden-header\" style=\"font-weight:bold;background-color:#CCCCFF;\"\u003EAbout the menu\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:Entity\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/div\u003E\u003C/th\u003E\u003C/tr\u003E\n\u003Ctr\u003E\n\u003Ctd style=\"font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;\"\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe new menu will allow logged-in and logged-out users to set preferences for:\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Col\u003E\u003Cli\u003E\u003Cb\u003EText size and line height\u003C/b\u003E (available now as the beta feature): Users will be able to choose between the Small (current default), Standard (recommended for better accessibility), and Large options. Selecting an option will change both the font size and line height of the text.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli\u003E\u003Cfigure class=\"mw-default-size\" typeof=\"mw:File/Thumb\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/./File:Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin's_fullscreen_toggle.png\" class=\"mw-file-description\"\u003E\u003Cimg resource=\"./File:Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin's_fullscreen_toggle.png\" src=\"//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin%27s_fullscreen_toggle.png\" decoding=\"async\" data-file-width=\"38\" data-file-height=\"38\" data-file-type=\"bitmap\" height=\"38\" width=\"38\" class=\"mw-file-element\"/\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cfigcaption\u003E\u003C/figcaption\u003E\u003C/figure\u003E \u003Cb\u003EContent width\u003C/b\u003E (previously available as a toggle button): We have moved the content width toggle from an icon at the bottom of the page to a labeled radio button in the new menu. It will work exactly the same as the toggle. The previous toggle button will no longer be available.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli\u003E\u003Cb\u003EDark mode (coming soon!)\u003C/b\u003E: Users will be able to choose to see the site in night mode on a permanent basis, or select an “automatic” setting which will set day or night mode based on the device or browser preferences. Dark mode is already available in the menu as a beta feature - check it out by opting into the “Accessibility fo Reading”\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ol\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EThis menu has been \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading#December_2023:_A_new_beta_feature:_Accessibility_for_Reading_(Vector_2022)\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Etested as a beta feature\u003C/a\u003E by logged-in users across wikis as well as in \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Usability_testing\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Usability testing\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Euser testing with readers\u003C/a\u003E. The menu has also been the default on all Wikipedias since June 2024. Based on the findings of these tests, we changed the menu to improve the user experience, menu discoverability and ease of use, and to accommodate gadget compatibility across wikis.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp\u003EThe menu will appear to the right of the page, immediately under the Tools menu. Similar to the Tools menu, the menu will appear as open by default, but can be pinned. Once pinned, the menu collapses under an icon at the top of the page.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\u003C/tr\u003E\n\u003C/tbody\u003E\u003C/table\u003E\u003Cspan about=\"#mwt1\"\u003E\n\u003C/span\u003E\n\u003Clink rel=\"mw-deduplicated-inline-style\" href=\"mw-data:TemplateStyles:r6651106\" about=\"#mwt4\" typeof=\"mw:Extension/templatestyles mw:Transclusion\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;name\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;templatestyles\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;attrs\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;src\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Template:Hidden/styles.css\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;hidden\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Hidden\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;'''About the new Standard font setting'''\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;2\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;The \\\u0026quot;Small\\\u0026quot; option is the current default. We will be changing this default to \\\u0026quot;Standard\\\u0026quot; for logged-out users, while keeping \\\u0026quot;Small\\\u0026quot; as the default for logged-in users.\u0026#xA0;The \\\u0026quot;Standard\\\u0026quot; and \\\u0026quot;Large\\\u0026quot; options were built and tested based on the following:\\n\\n* [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Readability_research_report|Academic studies and recommendations]] for the best average font size for the majority of readers.\u0026#xA0;These recommendations stated that our current size is too small for the majority of people to read comfortably.\u0026#xA0;This means that on average, people read more slowly, strain their eyes while reading, or have difficulty clearly seeing the text.\u0026#xA0;Increasing the font size by default improves these issues for all users, including users who might not have sufficient time to spend adjusting a setting via the appearance menu or browser.\u0026#xA0;We also highlighted that information density is important to the Wikipedia experience, making the goal of the typography changes to increase font size without sacrificing information density.\u0026#xA0;This was done by altering not only font size, but also line height and paragraph spacing.\\n* Designs [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Community_prototype_testing|submitted]] by more than 630 Wikimedians from across 13 wikis of different languages, scripts, and sizes. The majority (~450) of test users opted for a font size that was larger than the default, with the most popular cluster being 15-20 pixels. \\\u0026quot;Standard\\\u0026quot; represents the average of the most popular cluster of community responses (15-20) pixels. \\\u0026quot;Large\\\u0026quot;represents the need for an even larger option, as represented by the cluster of sizes between 21-26 pixels.\u0026#xA0;You can read more on [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Community_prototype_testing/Analysis|how we included volunteers in the process and landed on these options]]. \\n* Beta feature usage showed that the majority of users who interact with the feature at least once [[phab:T359418#9694334|opt for a font size that is larger]] than the current default.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\" id=\"mwDw\"/\u003E\u003Cspan about=\"#mwt4\"\u003E\n\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ctable border=\"1\u0026quot;\" cellspacing=\"0\u0026quot;\" cellpadding=\"2\" class=\"template-hidden mw-collapsible mw-collapsed\" style=\"width:100%;margin:0;padding:0;border:1px solid #999999;border-collapse:collapse;background:#FFFFFF\" about=\"#mwt4\"\u003E\n\u003Ctbody\u003E\u003Ctr\u003E\n\u003Cth style=\"text-align:center;\"\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\"template-hidden-header\" style=\"font-weight:bold;background-color:#CCCCFF;\"\u003E\u003Cb\u003EAbout the new Standard font setting\u003C/b\u003E\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:Entity\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/div\u003E\u003C/th\u003E\u003C/tr\u003E\n\u003Ctr\u003E\n\u003Ctd style=\"font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;\"\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe \"Small\" option is the current default. We will be changing this default to \"Standard\" for logged-out users, while keeping \"Small\" as the default for logged-in users. The \"Standard\" and \"Large\" options were built and tested based on the following:\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cul\u003E\u003Cli\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Readability_research_report\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Readability research report\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003EAcademic studies and recommendations\u003C/a\u003E for the best average font size for the majority of readers. These recommendations stated that our current size is too small for the majority of people to read comfortably. This means that on average, people read more slowly, strain their eyes while reading, or have difficulty clearly seeing the text. Increasing the font size by default improves these issues for all users, including users who might not have sufficient time to spend adjusting a setting via the appearance menu or browser. We also highlighted that information density is important to the Wikipedia experience, making the goal of the typography changes to increase font size without sacrificing information density. This was done by altering not only font size, but also line height and paragraph spacing.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli\u003EDesigns \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Community_prototype_testing\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Community prototype testing\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Esubmitted\u003C/a\u003E by more than 630 Wikimedians from across 13 wikis of different languages, scripts, and sizes. The majority (~450) of test users opted for a font size that was larger than the default, with the most popular cluster being 15-20 pixels. \"Standard\" represents the average of the most popular cluster of community responses (15-20) pixels. \"Large\"represents the need for an even larger option, as represented by the cluster of sizes between 21-26 pixels. You can read more on \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Community_prototype_testing/Analysis\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Community prototype testing/Analysis\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\"\u003Ehow we included volunteers in the process and landed on these options\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli\u003EBeta feature usage showed that the majority of users who interact with the feature at least once \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359418#9694334\" title=\"phab:T359418\" class=\"extiw\"\u003Eopt for a font size that is larger\u003C/a\u003E than the current default.\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ul\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\u003C/tr\u003E\n\u003C/tbody\u003E\u003C/table\u003E\u003Cspan about=\"#mwt4\"\u003E\n\u003C/span\u003E\n\u003Cp id=\"mwEA\"\u003E\u003Cb id=\"mwEQ\"\u003EOur works so far and next steps\u003C/b\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwEg\"\u003ELogged-in users will remain with the “small” setting for the time being as their default, but can change to any other setting at any time. In a few months, we will study how many logged-in users switch to standard and start a conversation on whether it makes sense for logged-in users to make the switch as well. From the \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359418#9694334\" title=\"phab:T359418\" class=\"extiw\" id=\"mwEw\"\u003Eearly data\u003C/a\u003E from the beta feature, 55% of sessions who interacted with the feature chose to use a setting that was standard or larger. \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwFA\"\u003EIf you'd like to help, we have a few simple requests for you:\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Col id=\"mwFQ\"\u003E\u003Cli id=\"mwFg\"\u003EPlease, \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures\" title=\"Special:Preferences\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwFw\"\u003Eturn on the beta feature\u003C/a\u003E (\"Accessibility for Reading (Vector 2022)\")\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwGA\"\u003ETry out the new menu. Is anything confusing? Do you understand all the labels and how the menu works?\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwGQ\"\u003ETry out the small, standard, and large sizes. Reach out to us if you notice any bugs, or have questions or concerns.\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli id=\"mwGg\"\u003ETry out the width toggle. Reach out to us if you notice any bugs, or have questions or concerns.\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ol\u003E\n\n\u003Cp id=\"mwGw\"\u003EIf you'd like to learn more about the project, see our \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Frequently_asked_questions\" title=\"Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Frequently asked questions\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" id=\"mwHA\"\u003EFAQ\u003C/a\u003E. Comments and questions are most welcome. 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When I tried to create a page, it showed me this error:</p> <table class="wikitable" id="mwBA"> <tbody id="mwBQ"><tr id="mwBg"><td id="mwBw"></td> <td id="mwCA"><b id="mwCQ">Editing the main namespace is limited for new users.</b> <p id="mwCg">This site is for <a href="/wiki/Project:About" title="Project:About" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCw">documenting the MediaWiki software</a>. It is not the wiki that you set up for your class, workplace, or personal use, nor is it Wikipedia. If you want to create a Wikipedia article, please <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AFC" title="en:WP:AFC" class="extiw" id="mwDA">start here</a>.</p> <p id="mwDQ">Think this is an error? Ask at <a href="/wiki/Project:Village_pump" class="mw-redirect" title="Project:Village pump" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwDg">Project:Village pump</a>.</p></td></tr> </tbody></table> <p id="mwDw">At the same time, I can freely edit the page that my colleagues create.</p> <p id="mwEA">Could you please grant me permissions to create pages?</p> <p id="mwEQ">Thanks!</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ygvsro85nvzjo8te&action=reply&topic_postId=ygvsro85nzxlwcrm#flow-post-ygvsro85nzxlwcrm" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ygvsro85nvzjo8te&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1732631221" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span 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Otherwise, questions tend to get overlooked.</p> <p id="mwBA">Does anyone see an issue with adding such a template?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ygidhvv56u7y6wyo&action=reply&topic_postId=ygidhvv56y60f0ww#flow-post-ygidhvv56y60f0ww" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ygidhvv56u7y6wyo&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1732110552" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:49, 20 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">6 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon 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For your timezone <<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000" class="external free" id="mwBA">https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000</a>>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <<a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024" class="external free" id="mwBQ">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024</a>>.</p> <p id="mwBg">This participant-driven meeting will be organized by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Language Product Localization team and the Language Diversity Hub. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Moore Wikipedia, and the language support track at Wiki Indaba. 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2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">5 days ago</span> </span> </a> </div> <div class="flow-topic-summary-content mw-parser-output"> <section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">It's seven days and OP hasn't explained why, unlikely to be implemented.</p></section> </div> <div style="clear: both;"></div> </div> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show topic action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg533mev7tp0jk9d&action=history"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-clock"><span>History</span></span></a></li><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Yg533mev7tp0jk9d"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before 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.note-error{background-color:#fee7e6;color:#333;background-image:url("https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/OOjs_UI_icon_notice-destructive.svg");background-size:25px;border-color:#c33;min-height:25px}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .note{background-color:transparent;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .note{background-color:transparent;color:inherit}}</style><div role="note" class="note note-info note-inline" about="#mwt1" id="mwAw">Moved discussion from <a href="/wiki/Project:Support_desk" title="Project:Support desk" rel="mw:WikiLink">Project:Support desk</a>: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Ycnzkboml8e897kr" title="Topic:Ycnzkboml8e897kr" rel="mw:WikiLink">Topic:Ycnzkboml8e897kr</a>.</div> <p id="mwBA">Where to put orphaned <a href="/wiki/Manual:File_page_warnings" title="Manual:File page warnings" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBQ">Manual:File page warnings</a> in <a href="/wiki/Manual:Contents" title="Manual:Contents" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBg">Manual:Contents</a>?</p> <p id="mwBw">Suggestion from <span about="#mwt6" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Shirayuki"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwCA">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Shirayuki" title="User:Shirayuki" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt6" id="mwCQ">Shirayuki</a>: "Since the only page passing both <code id="mwCg">dev=y</code> and <code id="mwCw">admin=y</code><span typeof="mw:Nowiki" id="mwDA"> in {{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Hubs" title="Template:Hubs" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwDQ">Hubs</a><span typeof="mw:Nowiki" id="mwDg">}} is </span><a href="/wiki/Manual:Maintenance_scripts" title="Manual:Maintenance scripts" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwDw">Manual:Maintenance scripts</a>, I personally think it would be good to place it near that."</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span 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I'm unsure how to do it.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yd4re880bhktb47q&action=reply&topic_postId=yd4re880blivj85y#flow-post-yd4re880blivj85y" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yd4re880bhktb47q&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731444209" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">20:43, 12 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">14 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yd4re880bhktb47q&topic_showPostId=yg170i45rlg1akja#flow-post-yg170i45rlg1akja"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="replace" data-target="~ a" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yd4re880bhktb47q&action=reply&topic_postId=yd4re880bhktb47q#flow-post-yd4re880bhktb47q-form-content" id="flow-reply-yd4re880bhktb47q" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yd4re880bhktb47q" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Running maintenance scripts directly is deprecated since MW 1.40, and instead we're told to use "php maintenance/run.php someScript.php". However, the MW documentation is obsolete in this respect and it still uses the old form virtually everywhere, I'd like to address that but there's no way I'm editing hundreds of pages one by one.</p> <p id="mwAw">If someone were to install <a href="/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text" title="Extension:Replace Text" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">Extension:Replace_Text</a> or equivalent and grant access to it for autoconfirmed users I'd be glad to do it, though.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yg8a94tbckgrt6va" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731719200" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:06, 16 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">11 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&topic_showPostId=yg88h58dvrz0pdzd#flow-post-yg88h58dvrz0pdzd"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yg8baf9mub0sp22t" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yg8baf9mub0sp22t" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Adding new extensions to the wiki farm is a <a href="/wiki/Review_queue" class="mw-redirect" title="Review queue" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwAw">very difficult process</a> and generally not done. <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser" title="w:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser" class="extiw" id="mwBA">w:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser</a> is probably your best bet here.</p> <p id="mwBQ">This wiki doesn't have any formal approval process for it, so you can even set it to auto-save (if you really think the edits are simple enough to be done purely automatically, which I'm not 100% sure of)</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731720316" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:25, 16 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">11 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&topic_showPostId=yg8baf9mub0sp22t#flow-post-yg8baf9mub0sp22t"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yg8c0sd7syw4wykh" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yg8c0sd7syw4wykh" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tactica" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Tactica</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tactica" class="" title="User talk:Tactica">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tactica" title="Contributions/Tactica">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">OK, I may try that then. Anyway even if the <s id="mwAw">bureaucracy</s> red tape wasn't there I guess granting access to ReplaceText for autoconfirmed users here would have never been done I suppose. Oh well.</p> <p id="mwBA"> <br id="mwBQ"/> Thanks.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731721105" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:38, 16 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">11 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&topic_showPostId=yg8c0sd7syw4wykh#flow-post-yg8c0sd7syw4wykh"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-ygi5u30989pdozwq" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="ygi5u30989pdozwq" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Bawolff" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Bawolff</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff" class="" title="User talk:Bawolff">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bawolff" title="Contributions/Bawolff">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Just wanted to add that in addition to red tape stuff, Extension:ReplaceText is incompatible with wikis that use the external storage feature, which this wiki does.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1732102298" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:31, 20 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">6 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yg88h58dvo0yha15&topic_showPostId=ygi5u30989pdozwq#flow-post-ygi5u30989pdozwq"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="insert" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="" id="flow-reply-yg88h58dvo0yha15" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="yg88h58dvo0yha15" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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I'm thinking about, before that happens, running a bot to:</p> <ol id="mwBA"><li id="mwBQ">Delete Flow pages that have an empty header and zero topics (like <a href="/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Release_Engineering_Team/SSD_Sync_Up/2019-03-05" title="Talk:Wikimedia Release Engineering Team/SSD Sync Up/2019-03-05" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBg">Talk:Wikimedia Release Engineering Team/SSD Sync Up/2019-03-05</a>)</li> <li id="mwBw">Delete Flow pages that have no content other than a pointer to a /LQT Archive 1 page, and delete the /LQT Archive 1 page as well (like <a href="/wiki/Extension_talk:Vandal_Brake" title="Extension talk:Vandal Brake" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCA">Extension talk:Vandal Brake</a> and <a href="/wiki/Extension_talk:Vandal_Brake/LQT_Archive_1" title="Extension talk:Vandal Brake/LQT Archive 1" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCQ">Extension talk:Vandal Brake/LQT Archive 1</a>)</li></ol> <p id="mwCg">There are several hundred total of each type of page. I deleted a bunch manually earlier today.</p> <p id="mwCw">Does this seem like a good idea.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yff64fw5s0hok7jl#flow-post-yff64fw5s0hok7jl" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730589962" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:26, 2 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yff64fw5s0hok7jl#flow-post-yff64fw5s0hok7jl"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yffhpoosatzfa8ws" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yffhpoosatzfa8ws" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Dinoguy1000" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Dinoguy1000</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dinoguy1000" class="" title="User talk:Dinoguy1000">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000" title="Contributions/Dinoguy1000">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><blockquote id="mwAg"><p id="mwAw">and delete the /LQT Archive 1 page as well</p></blockquote> <p id="mwBA">...where the LQT archive page is empty as well, right?</p> <p id="mwBQ">Other than that, I agree, there's no reason to keep these empty pages around, especially if the maintenance script isn't going to attempt to delete them itself.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yffhpoosatzfa8ws#flow-post-yffhpoosatzfa8ws" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730602449" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">02:54, 3 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yffhpoosatzfa8ws#flow-post-yffhpoosatzfa8ws"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yffkc6j48i71a4gf" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yffkc6j48i71a4gf" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">In said cases the /LQT Archive 1 should always be empty since if it had content it would have been copied to the Flow page. But yes I should check explicitly.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yffkc6j48i71a4gf#flow-post-yffkc6j48i71a4gf" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730605277" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">03:41, 3 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yffkc6j48i71a4gf#flow-post-yffkc6j48i71a4gf"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yffmkh4usdlg25ub" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yffmkh4usdlg25ub" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">I reviewed the LQT archive 1 pages with substantive content. In a few places the Flow page was empty so I deleted the Flow page and moved the LQT archive over the Flow page (and removed the archive template). And there were a lot of other oddities. </p> <p id="mwAw">Probably a lot of the /LQT Archive 1 pages can be deleted too (even if there is a Flow page with content it was based off of), since the vast majority of them have no content other than someone adding LiquidThreads, and then Flow replacing it.</p> <p id="mwBA">Most of the ones that don't meet that description either contain only a pointer to old pre-anything archives (which are already in the Flow header). And there's a few cases where the LQT page contains wikitext because people mixed systems I guess ...</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yffmkh4usdlg25ub#flow-post-yffmkh4usdlg25ub" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=yffmo92b3p2cqbqg" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730607793" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">04:23, 3 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">24 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yffmkh4usdlg25ub#flow-post-yffmkh4usdlg25ub"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">I've continued reviewing a bunch of Flow pages. There are several thousands pages to delete per the above criteria. And I manually deleted a ton of old leftover crap of every imaginable kind</p> <p id="mwAw">What should be done with pages like <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thennicke" title="User talk:Thennicke" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBA">User_talk:Thennicke</a> that contain nothing other than a pointer to a wikitext archive, in user talk namespace? These differ from the /LQT cases because the user explicitly enabled Flow. I'm inclined to delete the Flow board, move the wikitext archive back to the base title, and remove the <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"tl","href":"./Template:Tl"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"archive"}},"i":0}}]}" id="mwBQ">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Template:archive" title="Special:MyLanguage/Template:archive" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1">Archive</a><span style="display:none" about="#mwt1"><a href="/wiki/Template:Archive" title="Template:Archive" rel="mw:WikiLink"> </a></span><span about="#mwt1">}}</span> template. The other option would be to do nothing and let the migration script handle it.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5#flow-post-yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730852965" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">00:29, 6 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">21 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5#flow-post-yfly8i1v3r6ti6u5"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yflz4dmruewmonft" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yflz4dmruewmonft" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">It also seems to be worthwhile to batch delete user talk pages that contain only the header and no Flow topics where the user in question has made few other edits. There are several thousand of them.</p> <p id="mwAw">I manually reviewed the first ~100 cases of user talk pages that contain only the header and except for the above situation (repeated several times) every single one was either spam/out-of-scope/test edits that I deleted on-sight or some kind of useless platitude like "talk to me here", which I didn't bother pressing the delete button on but isn't worth letting the migration script move to a subpage on either.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yflz4dmruewmonft#flow-post-yflz4dmruewmonft" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730853919" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">00:45, 6 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">21 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yflz4dmruewmonft#flow-post-yflz4dmruewmonft"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yfmikubyelw24sds" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfmikubyelw24sds" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">There are a total of 5031 empty flow boards, 297 boards with nothing other than /LQT placeholders, and 722 user talk pages containing only a header of users with <50 global edits.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yfmikubyelw24sds#flow-post-yfmikubyelw24sds" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730874882" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">06:34, 6 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">21 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yfmikubyelw24sds#flow-post-yfmikubyelw24sds"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yfrhv5bo4sntv61a" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfrhv5bo4sntv61a" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>TheDJ</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" class="" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Let's get rid of at least the empty stuff. Those 722 can go as well as far as I'm concerned, but we might want a bit more review and consensus on that<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mwAw"> </span>?</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yfrhv5bo4sntv61a#flow-post-yfrhv5bo4sntv61a" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731068042" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">12:14, 8 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">18 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yfrhv5bo4sntv61a#flow-post-yfrhv5bo4sntv61a"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Quiddity (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:Quiddity (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Quiddity_(WMF)" title="Contributions/Quiddity (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">It should be possible to update the maintenance script so that it automatically deletes Flow pages that have an empty header and zero topics. I see you (Pppery) commented about that at <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371738#10286448" title="phab:T371738" class="extiw" id="mwAw">phab:T371738#10286448</a> already, so I'm just confirming that it is being looked into by the team. </p> <p id="mwBA">For the completely-empty pages, I wonder if we might want to delete them <i id="mwBQ">without-log-entry</i>, so that the empty wikitext page doesn't have the "this page was deleted" banner at the top as a cluttering-distraction? I believe that is technically possible. --- <b id="mwBg">If folks here agree that this is a good idea</b>, then we can ask the team to make it so.</p> <p id="mwBw">For the "almost empty" pages, I agree those would need to be examined manually. Personally, I agree with both of you that those pages can <i id="mwCA">probably</i> just be deleted, once they've been checked for edge-cases. </p> <p id="mwCQ">Thanks again for all your associated efforts and thoughts on this, Pppery! It's deeply appreciated.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=reply&topic_postId=yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r#flow-post-yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r" title="Reply" class="mw-ui-anchor mw-ui-progressive mw-ui-quiet flow-reply-link" >Reply</a> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1731095744" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">19:55, 8 November 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">18 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Yff64fw5rwjmc3ld&topic_showPostId=yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r#flow-post-yfs7ksgrtssh3d9r"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yfs858ncq67uwljw" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yfs858ncq67uwljw" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pppery</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" class="" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pppery" title="Contributions/Pppery">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">I think deleting things without producing a log entry is downright scary and contrary to the wiki way of every action being logged.</p> <p id="mwAw">On other issues, I assumed from the fact that my comment on <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371738#10215964" title="phab:T371738" class="extiw" id="mwBA">phab:T371738#10215964</a> wasn't responded to and a maintenance script was merged and run without doing any of those things that the WMF was disclaiming interest in implementing them and thus the task fell to me to do it myself - 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id="mwBg">Hi everyone! We are the <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web" title="Reading/Web" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwBw">Wikimedia Foundation Web team</a>. We work on making it easier to read Wikimedia projects as part of the objective "<a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Product_&_Technology/OKRs#WE2:_Reading_and_media_experience" title="metawiki:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2023-2024/Product & Technology/OKRs" class="extiw" id="mwCA">Reading and media experience</a>". To achieve this goal, we have introduced the <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures" title="metawiki:Special:Preferences" class="extiw" id="mwCQ">"Accessibility for Reading" beta feature</a>. It adds a menu which works on the Vector 2022 skin and allows logged-in users to choose different font sizes based on individual needs. This makes it easier to serve the accessibility needs for more people. For more information, check out <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements" title="Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwCg">our project page</a>.</p> <p id="mwCw">The menu introduces a new Standard font setting. It slightly increases the size and height of the font. It was selected by looking at the preferences of editors using the beta feature, general recommendations for accessibility (which font is quickest to read for the majority of people), as well as the suggestions and designs of more than 600 Wikimedians. You will find more information on this setting below. This menu has been available on Wikipedias since June 2024.</p> <p id="mwDA"><b id="mwDQ">We are now ready to make the new Appearance menu available for logged-out and logged-in users on all wikis, including this one. At the same time, we will also make the Standard option the new default for logged-out users only. If no breaking technical issues are found, we plan on making this change in the week of September 9</b>.</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r6651106" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles mw:Transclusion" about="#mwt1" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Template:Hidden/styles.css"},"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"hidden","href":"./Template:Hidden"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"About the menu"},"2":{"wt":"The new menu will allow logged-in and logged-out users to set preferences for:\n\n# '''Text size and line height''' (available now as the beta feature): Users will be able to choose between the Small (current default), Standard (recommended for better accessibility), and Large options. 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Selecting an option will change both the font size and line height of the text.</li> <li><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/./File:Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin's_fullscreen_toggle.png" class="mw-file-description"><img resource="./File:Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin's_fullscreen_toggle.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Screenshot_of_the_Vector-2022_skin%27s_fullscreen_toggle.png" decoding="async" data-file-width="38" data-file-height="38" data-file-type="bitmap" height="38" width="38" class="mw-file-element"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>Content width</b> (previously available as a toggle button): We have moved the content width toggle from an icon at the bottom of the page to a labeled radio button in the new menu. It will work exactly the same as the toggle. The previous toggle button will no longer be available.</li> <li><b>Dark mode (coming soon!)</b>: Users will be able to choose to see the site in night mode on a permanent basis, or select an “automatic” setting which will set day or night mode based on the device or browser preferences. Dark mode is already available in the menu as a beta feature - check it out by opting into the “Accessibility fo Reading”</li></ol> <p>This menu has been <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading#December_2023:_A_new_beta_feature:_Accessibility_for_Reading_(Vector_2022)" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading" rel="mw:WikiLink">tested as a beta feature</a> by logged-in users across wikis as well as in <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Usability_testing" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Usability testing" rel="mw:WikiLink">user testing with readers</a>. The menu has also been the default on all Wikipedias since June 2024. Based on the findings of these tests, we changed the menu to improve the user experience, menu discoverability and ease of use, and to accommodate gadget compatibility across wikis.</p> <p>The menu will appear to the right of the page, immediately under the Tools menu. Similar to the Tools menu, the menu will appear as open by default, but can be pinned. Once pinned, the menu collapses under an icon at the top of the page.</p></td></tr> </tbody></table><span about="#mwt1"> </span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r6651106" about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Extension/templatestyles mw:Transclusion" data-mw="{"name":"templatestyles","attrs":{"src":"Template:Hidden/styles.css"},"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"hidden","href":"./Template:Hidden"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"'''About the new Standard font setting'''"},"2":{"wt":"The \"Small\" option is the current default. We will be changing this default to \"Standard\" for logged-out users, while keeping \"Small\" as the default for logged-in users. The \"Standard\" and \"Large\" options were built and tested based on the following:\n\n* [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Readability_research_report|Academic studies and recommendations]] for the best average font size for the majority of readers. These recommendations stated that our current size is too small for the majority of people to read comfortably. This means that on average, people read more slowly, strain their eyes while reading, or have difficulty clearly seeing the text. Increasing the font size by default improves these issues for all users, including users who might not have sufficient time to spend adjusting a setting via the appearance menu or browser. We also highlighted that information density is important to the Wikipedia experience, making the goal of the typography changes to increase font size without sacrificing information density. This was done by altering not only font size, but also line height and paragraph spacing.\n* Designs [[Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Community_prototype_testing|submitted]] by more than 630 Wikimedians from across 13 wikis of different languages, scripts, and sizes. 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We will be changing this default to "Standard" for logged-out users, while keeping "Small" as the default for logged-in users. The "Standard" and "Large" options were built and tested based on the following:</p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Readability_research_report" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Readability research report" rel="mw:WikiLink">Academic studies and recommendations</a> for the best average font size for the majority of readers. These recommendations stated that our current size is too small for the majority of people to read comfortably. This means that on average, people read more slowly, strain their eyes while reading, or have difficulty clearly seeing the text. Increasing the font size by default improves these issues for all users, including users who might not have sufficient time to spend adjusting a setting via the appearance menu or browser. We also highlighted that information density is important to the Wikipedia experience, making the goal of the typography changes to increase font size without sacrificing information density. This was done by altering not only font size, but also line height and paragraph spacing.</li> <li>Designs <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Community_prototype_testing" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Community prototype testing" rel="mw:WikiLink">submitted</a> by more than 630 Wikimedians from across 13 wikis of different languages, scripts, and sizes. The majority (~450) of test users opted for a font size that was larger than the default, with the most popular cluster being 15-20 pixels. "Standard" represents the average of the most popular cluster of community responses (15-20) pixels. "Large"represents the need for an even larger option, as represented by the cluster of sizes between 21-26 pixels. You can read more on <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Repository/Community_prototype_testing/Analysis" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Repository/Community prototype testing/Analysis" rel="mw:WikiLink">how we included volunteers in the process and landed on these options</a>.</li> <li>Beta feature usage showed that the majority of users who interact with the feature at least once <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359418#9694334" title="phab:T359418" class="extiw">opt for a font size that is larger</a> than the current default.</li></ul></td></tr> </tbody></table><span about="#mwt4"> </span> <p id="mwEA"><b id="mwEQ">Our works so far and next steps</b></p> <p id="mwEg">Logged-in users will remain with the “small” setting for the time being as their default, but can change to any other setting at any time. In a few months, we will study how many logged-in users switch to standard and start a conversation on whether it makes sense for logged-in users to make the switch as well. From the <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T359418#9694334" title="phab:T359418" class="extiw" id="mwEw">early data</a> from the beta feature, 55% of sessions who interacted with the feature chose to use a setting that was standard or larger. </p> <p id="mwFA">If you'd like to help, we have a few simple requests for you:</p> <ol id="mwFQ"><li id="mwFg">Please, <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures" title="Special:Preferences" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwFw">turn on the beta feature</a> ("Accessibility for Reading (Vector 2022)")</li> <li id="mwGA">Try out the new menu. Is anything confusing? Do you understand all the labels and how the menu works?</li> <li id="mwGQ">Try out the small, standard, and large sizes. Reach out to us if you notice any bugs, or have questions or concerns.</li> <li id="mwGg">Try out the width toggle. Reach out to us if you notice any bugs, or have questions or concerns.</li></ol> <p id="mwGw">If you'd like to learn more about the project, see our <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading/Frequently_asked_questions" title="Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading/Frequently asked questions" rel="mw:WikiLink" id="mwHA">FAQ</a>. Comments and questions are most welcome. Thank you!</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=ybgto0k75fghmoii" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1725068959" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:49, 31 August 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">2 months ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=ybg9afru98lwuzg2#flow-post-ybg9afru98lwuzg2"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yezjthr70dd0ov9u" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yezjthr70dd0ov9u" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207" class="new mw-userlink"> <bdi>2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207" class="new " title="User talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207" title="Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:9163:7140:38A2:B207">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Is it somehow possible to disable this annoying feature? It is unproductive to offer users on each visit a selection of appearance preferences, forcefully narrowing visitors screen with this aggressive setting list. I can't believe that anyone ever asked this feature! Please, disable this menu for logged out users and unregistered users!</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1729984145" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:09, 26 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">1 month ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yezjthr70dd0ov9u#flow-post-yezjthr70dd0ov9u"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yeztdrdugmulvu6n" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yeztdrdugmulvu6n" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tacsipacsi" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Tacsipacsi</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tacsipacsi" class="" title="User talk:Tacsipacsi">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tacsipacsi" title="Contributions/Tacsipacsi">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">You can always hide the menu (convert the sidebar section to a button at the top of the page) using the <i id="mwAw">hide</i> button, and this hiding is sticky (as far as I remember, also for unregistered/logged-out users), i.e. once you’ve hidden it, future page loads will initially hide it (but, of course, you can also stickily unhide it, should you change your mind). Actually, the above screenshot shows it in the “hidden” state: in the state in which it’s a button at the top of the page, and it’s only temporarily open without being unhidden.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1729994448" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">02:00, 27 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">1 month ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yeztdrdugmulvu6n#flow-post-yeztdrdugmulvu6n"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yf0k527lykvkszxw" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf0k527lykvkszxw" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5" class="new mw-userlink"> <bdi>2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5" class="new " title="User talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5" title="Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:A1CD:5DA6:3F38:50D5">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">The Hide button hides the menu for that visit only. Next time the menu is back again.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730023277" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">10:01, 27 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">30 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yf0k527lykvkszxw#flow-post-yf0k527lykvkszxw"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yf1q3vzvbvvd5sck" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf1q3vzvbvvd5sck" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tacsipacsi" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Tacsipacsi</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tacsipacsi" class="" title="User talk:Tacsipacsi">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tacsipacsi" title="Contributions/Tacsipacsi">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">Not for me. I hid the menu on English Wikipedia in a browser I’m not logged in, restarted the browser, and the menu was still hidden. Maybe you regularly delete cookies? The software can’t do anything if you destroy your preferences.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730068492" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:34, 27 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">30 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yf1q3vzvbvvd5sck#flow-post-yf1q3vzvbvvd5sck"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yf571uqq28amvfoa" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf571uqq28amvfoa" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353" class="new mw-userlink"> <bdi>2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353" class="new " title="User talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353" title="Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:740F:6993:A8B9:C353">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">I never delete all cookies, only for particular sites, when there is an issue with the site. I did not delete Wikipedia cookies.</p> <p id="mwAw">I experience the return of the menu when returning to the site after my computer has been switched off or hibernated. My computer assigns automatically different IP6 address from time to time, this may be somehow related.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730203104" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">11:58, 29 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">28 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yf571uqq28amvfoa#flow-post-yf571uqq28amvfoa"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-yf7ld2z5yaksjqnk" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="yf7ld2z5yaksjqnk" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416" class="new mw-userlink"> <bdi>2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416" class="new " title="User talk:2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416" title="Contributions/2001:7D0:8046:7980:AC8B:B0AA:A89A:6416">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><p id="mwAg">The issue is also there if you often visit Wikipedia different language versions.</p> <p id="mwAw">Almost every different language version brings up this menu again.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1730296095" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:48, 30 October 2024</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">27 days ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ybg9afru94numvhu&topic_showPostId=yf7ld2z5yaksjqnk#flow-post-yf7ld2z5yaksjqnk"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <script name="handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" type="text/x-handlebars-template-progressive-enhancement" data-type="insert" > <form class="flow-post flow-reply-form" method="POST" action="" id="flow-reply-ybg9afru94numvhu" > <input type="hidden" name="wpEditToken" value="+\" /> <input type="hidden" name="topic_replyTo" value="ybg9afru94numvhu" /> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <div class="flow-anon-warning"> <div class="flow-anon-warning-mobile"> <div class="flow-form-collapsible flow-ui-tooltip mw-ui-progressive flow-ui-tooltip-down flow-ui-tooltip-block plainlinks">You are not logged in. 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