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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_South_Africa" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject South Africa">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">South Africa</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject South Africa</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject South Africa</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">South Africa articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reserve_Squadrons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reserve_Squadrons-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reserve_Squadrons-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Reserve Squadrons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reserve_Squadrons-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:SAAF_navbox&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Reserve Squadrons"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z-Reserve_Squadrons"></span>Can someone please take a look at the official SAAF website <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.af.mil.za/reserves/reserves.htm">[1]</a> (section header " A New Approach"). Does this mean that all previous reserve squadrons are now disbanded and currently there is only an amorphous AFR Inactive Structure (the Pool)? How does this impact the template? <a href="/wiki/User:Farawayman" title="User:Farawayman">Farawayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farawayman" title="User talk:Farawayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:SAAF_navbox#c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z-Reserve_Squadrons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z-Reserve_Squadrons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z-Reserve_Squadrons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span>I believe that paragraph refers to The Air Force Conventional Reserve, whose members serve in active SAAF units when called up. The reserve squadrons are part of the Air Force Territorial Reserve and were previously Air Commando Squadrons and then Air Volunteer Squadrons before being named Air Force Reserve Squadrons. Whatever the case, I can confirm that the Air Force Reserve Squadrons remain active. --<a href="/wiki/User:Impi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Impi">Darren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Impi" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Impi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:SAAF_navbox#c-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 13 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z"></span>Website says "Members of the AFR would have to be handpicked experts.. with diverse aviation expertise...The AFR provides the capability to expand the SAAF timeously for as long or short a period as is deemed necessary...... Between ...assignments members reside in the AFR Inactive Structure (the Pool)."</dd> <dd>To me - this includes pilots - who are now grouped in the "AFR Inactive Structure" - and not in squadrons! Is there any other source which confirms the squadrons still exist? Read in context, the official; website refers to the reserve squadrons - but goes on to explain that there have been political reasons for making changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Farawayman" title="User:Farawayman">Farawayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farawayman" title="User talk:Farawayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:SAAF_navbox#c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z-Impi-2012-03-13T18:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T19:07:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z"></span>Aha.... Impi, you are correct. Reserve Squadrons are now called Air Force Territorial Reserve - refer further down in the same article on the official website page. However, 103, 112 and 114 Sqn's appear to have been disbanded lately. 109 was disbanded in 1993. Template updated. <a href="/wiki/User:Farawayman" title="User:Farawayman">Farawayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Farawayman" title="User talk:Farawayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:SAAF_navbox#c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T19:07:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T19:07:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Farawayman-2012-03-13T19:07:00.000Z-Farawayman-2012-03-13T18:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:SAAF_navbox&oldid=1235920650">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:SAAF_navbox&oldid=1235920650</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_military_history_articles" title="Category:Template-Class military history articles">Template-Class military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_military_aviation_articles" title="Category:Template-Class military aviation articles">Template-Class military aviation articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Military_aviation_task_force_articles" title="Category:Military aviation task force articles">Military aviation task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_national_militaries_articles" title="Category:Template-Class national militaries articles">Template-Class national militaries articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:National_militaries_task_force_articles" title="Category:National militaries task force articles">National militaries task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_African_military_history_articles" title="Category:Template-Class African military history articles">Template-Class African military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:African_military_history_task_force_articles" title="Category:African military history task force articles">African military history task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_South_Africa_articles" title="Category:Template-Class South Africa articles">Template-Class South Africa articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_South_Africa_articles" title="Category:NA-importance South Africa articles">NA-importance South Africa articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_South_Africa_articles" title="Category:WikiProject South Africa articles">WikiProject South Africa articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 July 2024, at 22:27<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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