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NASCAR in the <i>Signpost</i></span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NASCAR_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NASCAR_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>NASCAR article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NASCAR_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sprint_Cup_schedule" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sprint_Cup_schedule"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Sprint Cup schedule</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sprint_Cup_schedule-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>List of Brickyard 400 broadcasters and related.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Satellite_team" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Satellite_team"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Satellite team</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Satellite_team-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Track_Pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Track_Pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Track Pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Track_Pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>NASCAR articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Project_News" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Project_News"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Project News</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Project_News-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wallace_Simpson" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wallace_Simpson"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Wallace Simpson</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Wallace_Simpson-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Alan Kulwicki second featured run</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>The Big One (NASCAR) tagged for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WikiProject_cleanup_listing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WikiProject_cleanup_listing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>WikiProject cleanup listing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-WikiProject_cleanup_listing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Template:NASCAR Sprint Cup Races</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>2009 Sprint Cup Drivers Standings</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russ Salerno</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nomination_at_FP" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nomination_at_FP"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Nomination at FP</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Nomination_at_FP-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Jimmie Johnson's Anything with an Engine</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Car_number_backgrounds" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Car_number_backgrounds"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Car number backgrounds</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Car_number_backgrounds-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2009_Sharpie_500" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2009_Sharpie_500"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>2009 Sharpie 500</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-2009_Sharpie_500-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorsports" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorsports"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Junior Johnson & Associates, Junior Johnson Racing, and Junior Johnson Motorsports</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorsports-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Kenton Gray - does he matter or his he just another Scientologist?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Television" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Television"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Television</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Television-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Daytona_500_pace_cars" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Daytona_500_pace_cars"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Daytona 500 pace cars</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Daytona_500_pace_cars-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_templates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_templates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>New templates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_templates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Template:Infobox NASCAR race</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_up_for_Deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_up_for_Deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Article up for Deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Article_up_for_Deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Talk:Harley J. Earl Trophy/GA1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>NASCAR Mexico merge with NASCAR Corona Series</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Move Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Template:2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup nominated for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Proposal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Proposal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Copyright concerns related to your project</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Infobox_problems" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Infobox_problems"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Infobox problems</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Infobox_problems-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_for_discussion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_for_discussion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Template for discussion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template_for_discussion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Frank_Cicci_Racing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Frank_Cicci_Racing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Frank Cicci Racing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Frank_Cicci_Racing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Maryeve_Dufault" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Maryeve_Dufault"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Maryeve Dufault</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Maryeve_Dufault-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Use_of_state_flagicons" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Use_of_state_flagicons"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Use of state flagicons</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Use_of_state_flagicons-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Lists of wins in drivers' articles</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Darlington_Record_Club" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Darlington_Record_Club"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Darlington Record Club</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Darlington_Record_Club-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Proposed change to NASCAR driver infobox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Race_report_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Race_report_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Race report template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Race_report_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NEXTEL_Cup_change" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NEXTEL_Cup_change"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>NEXTEL Cup change</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NEXTEL_Cup_change-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Table_links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Table_links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Table links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Table_links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Flag_Icons" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Flag_Icons"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Flag Icons</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Flag_Icons-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Car_number_and_team" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Car_number_and_team"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Car number and team</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Car_number_and_team-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>List of Foreign NASCAR race winners</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Notability of ASA Midwest Tour race reports?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Infobox_NASCAR_driver" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Infobox_NASCAR_driver"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Infobox NASCAR driver</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">22 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Infobox_NASCAR_driver-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_drivers_and_teams" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_drivers_and_teams"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>List of drivers and teams</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_drivers_and_teams-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Maryeve_Dufault_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Maryeve_Dufault_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Maryeve Dufault</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Maryeve_Dufault_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"A_QUESTION..."" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"A_QUESTION...""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>"A QUESTION..."</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"A_QUESTION..."-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cats_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cats_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Cats for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Cats_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Template for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Template_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_#10_Cup_car" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_#10_Cup_car"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>The #10 Cup car</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-The_#10_Cup_car-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_moves" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_moves"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>Article moves</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_moves-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hmmm...." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hmmm...."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Hmmm....</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hmmm....-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Old vandalism: keep an eye out</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Seminole_Speedway" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Seminole_Speedway"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Seminole Speedway</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Seminole_Speedway-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Merger_proposal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Merger_proposal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Merger proposal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Merger_proposal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Major_League" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Major_League"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>Major League</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Major_League-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Query" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Query"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Query</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Query-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Road_America_Nationwide_race" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Road_America_Nationwide_race"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Road America Nationwide race</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">12 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Road_America_Nationwide_race-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Road America Nationwide race subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Road_America_Nationwide_race-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69.1</span> <span>T. J. Bell versus Matt Bell (racing driver)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Invitation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Invitation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>Invitation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Invitation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hello_Everybody!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hello_Everybody!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Hello Everybody!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hello_Everybody!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Things_To_Do" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Things_To_Do"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Things To Do</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Things_To_Do-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rick_Hendrick" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rick_Hendrick"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Rick Hendrick</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rick_Hendrick-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2013_seasons" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2013_seasons"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>2013 seasons</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">15 comments</span> <ul id="toc-2013_seasons-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-note:" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#note:"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>note:</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-note:-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-General_updates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#General_updates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>General updates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-General_updates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ARCA_at_MIS" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ARCA_at_MIS"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>ARCA at MIS</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ARCA_at_MIS-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_regarding_a_category..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_regarding_a_category..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>Question regarding a category...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_regarding_a_category...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Team_charts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Team_charts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>Team charts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Team_charts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nuisance_IP_editor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nuisance_IP_editor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>Nuisance IP editor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Nuisance_IP_editor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Updates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Updates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>Updates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Updates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Order_of_team_chart" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Order_of_team_chart"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Order of team chart</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Order_of_team_chart-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Order of team chart subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Order_of_team_chart-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Team_Chart" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Team_Chart"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83.1</span> <span>Team Chart</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Team_Chart-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Category for Death of Dale Earnhardt</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>Nascar Motorsport or NASCAR Motorsport?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Images_&_such" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Images_&_such"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>Images & such</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Images_&_such-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Car_generations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Car_generations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>Car generations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Car_generations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>Whitney & Humphrey Smith</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_new_NASCAR_website" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_new_NASCAR_website"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>The new NASCAR website</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_new_NASCAR_website-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Daytona_500_winners" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Daytona_500_winners"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>List of Daytona 500 winners</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-List_of_Daytona_500_winners-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>Aggregated racing driver infoboxes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_season_articles_needing_work" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_season_articles_needing_work"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>2012 season articles needing work</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-2012_season_articles_needing_work-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Images_nominated_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Images_nominated_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>Images nominated for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Images_nominated_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NASCAR.com_Reference_Links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>NASCAR.com Reference Links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Infobox_Daytona_500"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>Template:Infobox Daytona 500</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Gary_Webb" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gary_Webb"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>Gary Webb</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Gary_Webb-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-An_interesting_statistic..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#An_interesting_statistic..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>An interesting statistic...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-An_interesting_statistic...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">99</span> <span>Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#links_to_Grand_National_horse_race"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">100</span> <span>links to Grand National horse race</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">101</span> <span>Table 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race season infobox</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span>Hello all. While conducting a GA review for <a href="/wiki/2010_Toyota/Save_Mart_350" title="2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350">2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350</a>, I came upon an arguably trivial parameter in the above mentioned infobox. As copied from <a href="/wiki/Talk:2010_Toyota/Save_Mart_350/GA1" title="Talk:2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350/GA1">the review</a>: </p> <table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; width: auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“ </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">Flagicons should not be used in the infobox in this case, as they emphasize the drivers' home states. Citing <a href="/wiki/MOS:ICON" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ICON">MOS:ICON</a>, I don't think knowing the drivers' home states is important nor relevant. Upon further research, I found Template:NASCAR race season infobox. I think it would be good to discuss the relevance of the parameters "pole state", "most state", and "first state" at WT:NASCAR. </td> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">” </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>Please voice your opinion on the matter below. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Airplaneman" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Airplaneman"><span style="color:gold;size=2">Review?</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z"></span>I agree and I am the creator of it. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T02:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z"></span>If the result is to remove the parameters, the tedious task of removing the parameters from all articles linking to the infobox needs to be done before modifying the infobox itself. I'm wondering if a bot could do it? <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Airplaneman" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Airplaneman"><span style="color:gold;size=2">Review?</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T02:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z"></span>It is only this year's races (around 26 pages). --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z"></span>For future reference: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox&limit=500">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Airplaneman" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Airplaneman"><span style="color:gold;size=2">Review?</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z"></span>I quess people started using it. ;) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-16T03:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z"></span>I hate the state flags. They add nothing to the article, have almost nothing to do with the driver himself except in a trivial sense. Widespread consensus on Wikipedia is to not use flags in this type of use. So they should be removed. Check it out at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FLAGBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FLAGBIO">WP:FLAGBIO</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T03:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-16T04:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span>All instances of the removed parameters <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=50&target=Airplaneman&offset=20100717041400&limit=40">zapped</a>. Should we request some level of protection for this template as it is highly visible and transcluded onto many pages? <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Airplaneman" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Airplaneman"><span style="color:gold;size=2">Review?</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T04:30:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Yes, most definately, I also think the talk page template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_NASCAR" title="Template:WikiProject NASCAR">WikiProject NASCAR</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> should be semi protected. You have new messages there at the GA review Airplaneman. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T04:30:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T04:30:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T04:30:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-17T04:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span>(outdent) You asked the right person. I protected both of these templates. Any high use template should be semi-protected. Any more? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T13:25:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Posibly the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:User_WP_NASCAR" title="Template:User WP NASCAR">User_WP_NASCAR</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. More can be found on the project page. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T13:25:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T13:25:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T13:25:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-17T13:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span>What about the flags in all the race articles such as <a href="/wiki/Auto_Club_500" class="mw-redirect" title="Auto Club 500">Auto Club 500</a>? Should they be removed as well? --<a href="/wiki/User:Wean0r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wean0r">Wean0r</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wean0r" title="User talk:Wean0r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z"></span>I believe they should. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-19T01:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z"></span>I just realized that the "country=" parameter should be axed too. NASCAR only takes place in the US, as far as I know. Is there a way to remove it automatically or semi-automatically (such as with AWB)? Doing it manually is extremely tedious and I'm not up for it right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-19T01:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z"></span>There is a current Nationwide race in Canada (<a href="/wiki/NAPA_Auto_Parts_200" title="NAPA Auto Parts 200">NAPA Auto Parts 200</a>) and a former Nationwide race in Mexico (<a href="/wiki/Corona_M%C3%A9xico_200" class="mw-redirect" title="Corona México 200">Corona México 200</a>). There's also the <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Canadian_Tire_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Canadian Tire Series">NASCAR Canadian Tire Series</a> and the <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Corona_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Corona Series">NASCAR Corona Series</a>. Not that there any articles on any of those races that I know of right now, but the potential is there. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wean0r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wean0r">Wean0r</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wean0r" title="User talk:Wean0r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T04:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z"></span>Oh, OK. In that case, we need to <s>ax that flagicon...</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z"></span>Upon further deliberation following Wean0r's comment, I actually don't think it is too trivial. Discussion is welcome, though. I'll stay neutral for now. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-24T13:10:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z"></span>The flags should be removed from all of the articles - I'm not up for a task that big. I know that NASCAR has held a few races outside the U.S., including exhibition Cup races in Fiji in Japan, but it is overwhelmingly an American sport. I think the country should remain = U.S. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-24T13:10:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-24T13:10:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-24T13:10:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T19:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-25T04:17:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span>Any way to automatically or semi-automatically remove them with bots or AWB? I don't use AWB (not supported on <a href="/wiki/Macintosh" class="mw-redirect" title="Macintosh">Macintoshes</a>) or I would do so myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-25T04:17:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-25T04:17:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-25T04:17:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_race_season_infobox"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR.2FNewsletter.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR/Newsletter?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span>Hello, for anyone who is watching this page I belive we should have news letter. I would like to see your opinion(s). This Wikiproject is not nearly as active how used to be, do you know anyway to promote it? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span>A newsletter sounds like a good idea. I would lean towards seasonal frequency (monthly seems like a bit much unless everyone pitches in). Delivery can be done by bots such as <a href="/wiki/User:EdwardsBot" title="User:EdwardsBot">EdwardsBot</a>. It'll help inform members and (hopefully) keep WP:NASCAR in their heads and get them motivated. As for promotion, look towards the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGNPOST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGNPOST">Wikipedia Signpost</a>'s WikiProject Report. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Airplaneman" title="Wikipedia:Editor review/Airplaneman"><span style="color:gold;size=2">Review?</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z"></span>I'm fine with a newsletter but I'm wondering what content should be in it? The next question is what's the type of person to promote the WikiProject to? How can we find these people who don't know about WP:NASCAR and will they be okay with being spammed with a newletter? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2010-07-18T06:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T12:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span>We will let them sign there name, or something. So we would not give it to people who do not want it. This project, I feel, does need promted because I beleive their are some editiors that may not now this is here.--<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T12:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T12:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T12:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T17:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span>Here is the first <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter/Next_NW" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR/Newsletter/Next NW">production</a> of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR/Newsletter">NASCAR Newsletter</a>. It is still underconstruction. Also, I believe that monthly would be better because seasonal would be to large. I belive we should put the point positions for all three major series (Sprint Cup, Nationwide, and Truck) in it and posibly all the results of every race. In July there were 3 Sprint races, 4 Nationwide, and 4 Truck series races. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T17:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T17:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-18T17:45:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-18T11:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span>Maybe we could try delivering using <a href="/wiki/User:MessageDeliveryBot" title="User:MessageDeliveryBot">User:MessageDeliveryBot</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2010-07-22T16:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Newsletter?"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables" data-mw-thread-id="h-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"><span id="Colour_used_to_indicate_.22did_not_finish.22_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span>Colour used to indicate "did not finish" in NASCAR results tables<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Talk:Juan_Pablo_Montoya/Archive_1#Yellow_Key_for_Nascar_SUX" title="Talk:Juan Pablo Montoya/Archive 1">Talk:Juan Pablo Montoya/Archive 1#Yellow Key for Nascar SUX</a>, an IP editor has expressed the opinion that the yellow colour used to indicate "Did not finish" in the NASCAR results tables "sux" because it is too similar to the yellow colour used to indicate first place and suggests that "dark purple" be used instead. Probably worth considering. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span>That seems to be a non-standard table. Not sure how many other articles use it. Looks like <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Gordon" title="Jeff Gordon">Jeff Gordon</a> does but that one is incomplete. I question that a table like that is even necessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wean0r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wean0r">Wean0r</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wean0r" title="User talk:Wean0r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:47:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span>Apologies for bringing this back up, but I think that this needs to be addressed for, at the very least, next year. Perhaps a new key could be made that is more similar to the current key used on most other motorsports articles.</dd> <dd>As it is, the current key is:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <table style="margin-right:0; font-size:85%" class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>Colour</td> <td>Result</td> <td>Code </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFFFBF"> <td>Gold</td> <td>Winner</td> <td>#FFFFBF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFDFDF"> <td>Silver</td> <td>Finished 2-5th</td> <td>#DFDFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFDF9F"> <td>Bronze</td> <td>Finished 6-10th</td> <td>#FFDF9F </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFFFDF"> <td>Green</td> <td>Finished 11-20th</td> <td>#DFFFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#CFCFFF"> <td>Blue</td> <td>Finished 21-30th</td> <td>#CFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FCD765"> <td>Orange</td> <td>Finished 31-40th</td> <td>#FCD765 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#EFCFFF"> <td>Purple</td> <td>Finished 41-43rd</td> <td>#EFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFFF2F"> <td>Yellow</td> <td>Did Not Finish (DNF)</td> <td>#FFFF2F </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000" style="color:white"> <td>Black</td> <td>Disqualified (DSQ)</td> <td>#000000 (text white) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FF4F4F"> <td>Red</td> <td>Did Not Qualify (DNQ)</td> <td>#FF4F4F </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="4">Blank </td> <td>Did Not Participate (DNP) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Injured or ill (INJ) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Excluded (EX) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Did not arrive (DNA) </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Perhaps it could be updated to something similar to:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <table style="margin-right:0; font-size:85%" class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>Colour</td> <td>Result</td> <td>Code </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFFFBF"> <td>Gold</td> <td>Winner</td> <td>#FFFFBF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFDFDF"> <td>Silver</td> <td>Finished 2-5th</td> <td>#DFDFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFDF9F"> <td>Bronze</td> <td>Finished 6-10th</td> <td>#FFDF9F </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFFFDF"> <td>Green</td> <td>Finished 11-20th</td> <td>#DFFFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#CFCFFF"> <td>Blue</td> <td>Finished 21-43rd</td> <td>#CFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#EFCFFF"> <td>Purple</td> <td>Did Not Finish (DNF)</td> <td>#EFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000" style="color:white"> <td>Black</td> <td>Disqualified (DSQ)</td> <td>#000000 (text white) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFCFCF"> <td>Red</td> <td>Did Not Qualify (DNQ)</td> <td>#FFCFCF </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="4">Blank </td> <td>Did Not Participate (DNP) </td> <td rowspan="4"> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Injured or ill (INJ) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Excluded (EX) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Did not arrive (DNA) </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This colour scheme is comparable to the keys used on other motorsports articles and also removes the use of any really sharp colours which popped out too much in the old key.</dd> <dd>Thoughts/opinions? <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:47:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:47:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:47:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span>PS:</b> Here's an example of what the current table would look like under the proposed key <a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD/Sandbox" title="User:TheChrisD/Sandbox">in my sandbox</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-07-22T05:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z"></span>Looks good, but one question: Does it have all the same information as it does on the article? I mean does it still have all the pole positions? If it does, you can change it now. It does look better, now what about <a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie Johnson</a> and <a href="/wiki/Juan_Pablo_Montoya" title="Juan Pablo Montoya">Juan Pablo Montoya</a>? I quess I'll try them. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T00:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z"></span>Yup, it has all the exact same information as what was already there. All that was really changed were the colours of the table cells themselves (which is pretty simple with any competent text editing program). <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T01:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T02:47:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z"></span>Well then, I think we should change it before tomorrows race. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T02:47:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T02:47:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T02:47:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T02:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span>My main concern is that it is done the same way as other motorsport genres, which has been addressed. How that is done doesn't matter to me. Looks good! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-07-21T02:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z"></span>I'm glad to hear there's such a positive response to it! The one thing that irked me about what I came up with last night was that there's rather a lot of silver and bronze in there as compared to the rest, so I made one small change to the key in my sandbox again, to become:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <table style="margin-right:0; font-size:85%" class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>Colour</td> <td>Result</td> <td>Code </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFFFBF"> <td>Gold</td> <td>Winner</td> <td>#FFFFBF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFDFDF"> <td>Silver</td> <td>Finished 2-3rd</td> <td>#DFDFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFDF9F"> <td>Bronze</td> <td>Finished 4-5th</td> <td>#FFDF9F </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#DFFFDF"> <td>Green</td> <td>Finished 6-10th</td> <td>#DFFFDF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#CFEAFF"> <td>Light Blue</td> <td>Finished 11-20th</td> <td>#CFEAFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#CFCFFF"> <td>Blue</td> <td>Finished 21-43rd</td> <td>#CFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#EFCFFF"> <td>Purple</td> <td>Did Not Finish (DNF)</td> <td>#EFCFFF </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#000000" style="color:white"> <td>Black</td> <td>Disqualified (DSQ)</td> <td>#000000 (text white) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFCFCF"> <td>Red</td> <td>Did Not Qualify (DNQ)</td> <td>#FFCFCF </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="4">Blank </td> <td>Did Not Participate (DNP) </td> <td rowspan="4"> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Injured or ill (INJ) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Excluded (EX) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Did not arrive (DNA) </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This mimics the key used for the IndyCar Series, slightly extended to cover the fact that there's 43 cars as opposed to an average of 26. This way makes it a lot easier to pick out the really good finished (top-3 and top-5) from the general top-10's and the top-20's, as well as being able to more clearly show bad days, particularly for drivers high up in the standings! I also made a change to replace the italics for pole earned by rainout to use inline notation, which frees up the italics for use for something else like fastest lap (if they even track that), or most laps led. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-09-11T12:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z"></span>It looks good, but NASCAR doesn't cateogize drivers by top-three. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T14:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z"></span>I'd suggest removing the "Code" column - people reading the article don't need to see that. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T14:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span>I'll remove the table on Montoya's article, but otherwise than that it needs to stay. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z"></span>I'm interested to know why you think that - none of the other motorsport results key templates (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:F1_driver_results_legend_2" title="Template:F1 driver results legend 2">F1 driver results legend 2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:F1_driver_results_legend_3" title="Template:F1 driver results legend 3">F1 driver results legend 3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WRC_driver_results_legend" title="Template:WRC driver results legend">WRC driver results legend</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) have it. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-11T15:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z"></span>Yea, the code column can be removed. I just left it in in the mock-ups since I hadn't been bothered to remove it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span>Not good, for my monitor, purple and red look too close, blue and silver look close, and gold and bronze look close. Let's try to finalize something and get a consensus with more than half a days discussion before making widespread changes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wean0r" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wean0r">Wean0r</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wean0r" title="User talk:Wean0r">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z-Colour_used_to_indicate_"did_not_finish"_in_NASCAR_results_tables"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Apart from the light blue, the colours are the same as those on the already-widely-used <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:F1_driver_results_legend_2" title="Template:F1 driver results legend 2">F1 driver results legend 2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:F1_driver_results_legend_3" title="Template:F1 driver results legend 3">F1 driver results legend 3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WRC_driver_results_legend" title="Template:WRC driver results legend">WRC driver results legend</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-Wean0r-2010-09-11T22:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-1"></span>Well then something is definitely wrong with your monitor. Personally, I would've waited a while before making the changes to the articles to get the views of other people, but given how this change brings the key for NASCAR in line with pretty much every other series covered by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOTOR">WP:MOTOR</a>, I think pushing changes out early was the right call. Bear in mind, the scheme was originally created back in 2007 and not modified since then, whereas other series' have seen their keys evolve over time.</dd> <dd>Light blue, while not appearing in F1 or other similar series, is used for Champ Car and IRL results to denote a medium-high points finish, since they too were/are series in which every finishing position earns points. I added the light blue to the second mockup simply as I feel having four positions covered until the silver, and five under bronze is too much. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2010-09-11T23:49:00.000Z-DH85868993-2010-09-11T23:42:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Manufacturers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Manufacturers-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Manufacturers-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z"></span>Manufacturers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Manufacturers-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-192.44.136.113-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z-Manufacturers"></span>I was just looking up some information on the Nascar 1993 schedule and I noticed the cars listed for Chevrolet were Monte Carlos. They should be Luminasm Monte Carlo did not return until 1995. Thank you, Mike <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/192.44.136.113" title="Special:Contributions/192.44.136.113">192.44.136.113</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:192.44.136.113" title="User talk:192.44.136.113">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-192.44.136.113-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z-Manufacturers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-192.44.136.113-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z-Manufacturers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-192.44.136.113-2010-07-23T11:02:00.000Z-Manufacturers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Road_American_Nationwide_drivers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Road American Nationwide drivers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers"></span>I just uploaded pictures of the drivers who didn't have a photograph. I have more, including Carl Edwards, if they'd be helpful. You can find the pictures in the Commons category <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_Bucyrus_200">for the race</a>. Soon I'll upload pictures of every racecar. The racecar photographs all turned out GREAT - better than the driver's. You can add the images to the next newsletter. I uploaded images for 6 drivers who don't have articles: Antonio Perez, Joey Scarallo, Kevin O'Connell, Kyle Kelley, Robb Bent, and Tim George, Jr. in case someone wants to start the articles. There still aren't articles for a few Nationwide drivers that I photographed at Milwaukee's Nationwide race last year. I took several miscellaneous photographs - a rooflap, a microphone placed by the track for the ESPN coverage and the ESPN helicopter, a flagman waving a blue flag, a flyover, and the front and side view of a splitter. Some of these were taken for the <a href="/wiki/List_of_motorsport_terminology" class="mw-redirect" title="List of motorsport terminology">List of motorsport terminology</a>. That's the article to place to define terms that apply to multiple genres of motorsports and it's good to link to that article when using terms that need definition for non-NASCAR enthusiasts. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z-Road_American_Nationwide_drivers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span>The images will be very helpful. Since the inaugural newsletter was deputed today. The images you have uploaded will be in the newsletter for August 2010. I'm happy that they turned out great. The articles that havn't been created may need to go to the projects overall todo list. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Here's the list of images which don't have a home right now. I think that if someone creates one of these articles then they should <s>strike through</s> the text of the image(s). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-26T02:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="05 Victor Gonzalez, Jr."><img alt="05 Victor Gonzalez, Jr." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="61" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-05VictorGonzalezJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1202" data-file-height="614"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">05 <a href="/wiki/Victor_Gonzalez,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Victor Gonzalez, Jr.">Victor Gonzalez, Jr.</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="09 Robb Brent"><img alt="09 Robb Brent" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-09RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1116" data-file-height="650"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">09 <a href="/wiki/Robb_Brent" title="Robb Brent">Robb Brent</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Robb Brent"><img alt="Robb Brent" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/95px-RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="95" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/142px-RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/189px-RobbBrent2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="281" data-file-height="356"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Robb_Brent" title="Robb Brent">Robb Brent</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="21 Tim George, Jr."><img alt="21 Tim George, Jr." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-21TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1280" data-file-height="624"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">21 <a href="/wiki/Tim_George,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Tim George, Jr.">Tim George, Jr.</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Tim George, Jr."><img alt="Tim George, Jr." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="114" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-TimGeorgeJr2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="318" data-file-height="302"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Tim_George,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Tim George, Jr.">Tim George, Jr.</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="43 Kevin O'Connell (racer)"><img alt="43 Kevin O'Connell (racer)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="73" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-43KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1110" data-file-height="674"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">43 <a href="/wiki/Kevin_O%27Connell_(racer)" class="mw-redirect" title="Kevin O'Connell (racer)">Kevin O'Connell (racer)</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Kevin O'Connell (racer)"><img alt="Kevin O'Connell (racer)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/80px-KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/121px-KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/161px-KevinOConnell2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="330" data-file-height="492"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Kevin_O%27Connell_(racer)" class="mw-redirect" title="Kevin O'Connell (racer)">Kevin O'Connell (racer)</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="56 Joey Scarallo"><img alt="56 Joey Scarallo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="71" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-56JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1160" data-file-height="682"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">56 <a href="/wiki/Joey_Scarallo" title="Joey Scarallo">Joey Scarallo</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Joey Scarallo"><img alt="Joey Scarallo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/107px-JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="107" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/161px-JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/214px-JoeyScarallo2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="215" data-file-height="241"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Joey_Scarallo" title="Joey Scarallo">Joey Scarallo</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="59 Kyle Kelley"><img alt="59 Kyle Kelley" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="60" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-59KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1262" data-file-height="630"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">59 <a href="/wiki/Kyle_Kelley" title="Kyle Kelley">Kyle Kelley</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Kyle Kelley"><img alt="Kyle Kelley" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/76px-KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="76" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/115px-KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/153px-KyleKelley2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="287" data-file-height="450"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Kyle_Kelley" title="Kyle Kelley">Kyle Kelley</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="87 Antonio Perez (racer)"><img alt="87 Antonio Perez (racer)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/120px-87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/180px-87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/240px-87AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1224" data-file-height="602"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">87 <a href="/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Perez_(racer)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Antonio Perez (racer) (page does not exist)">Antonio Perez (racer)</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Antonio Perez (racer)"><img alt="Antonio Perez (racer)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/81px-AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg" decoding="async" width="81" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/122px-AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg/162px-AntonioPerez2010Bucyrus200RoadAmerica.jpg 2x" data-file-width="252" data-file-height="372"/></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Perez_(racer)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Antonio Perez (racer) (page does not exist)">Antonio Perez (racer)</a></div> </li> </ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Do you know a internet site that may have some background information on the drivers? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T02:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:38:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z"></span>I use racing-reference.info for the statistics which can be enough to write a decent article. Then I do a google search to fill in the details. They may be a bunch of road course ringers who are very experienced in other genres of motorsports like sports cars and Indy car feeder series. I got hits on all 3 that I tried - ARCA, NASCAR West series, and SCCA Trans Am. Definite potential DYKs for each of them if you want to spend the time. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:38:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:38:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-27T04:38:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-07-27T04:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)" data-mw-thread-id="h-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"><span id="NASCAR_fuel_consumption_.28support.2C_staff.2C_fans.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"></span>NASCAR fuel consumption (support, staff, fans)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)"></span>All the discussions on NASCAR fuel consumption have been on the cars themselves. Has anyone considered adding in the fuel for all support vehicles and Staff/Fans travel to each venue on average?? Just wondered... </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.11.2.232" title="Special:Contributions/24.11.2.232">24.11.2.232</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.11.2.232&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.11.2.232 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_fuel_consumption_(support,_staff,_fans)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T11:55:00.000Z-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"></span>Would fan and support vehicle fuel consumption be appropriate in an article on any other sport? I doubt it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T11:55:00.000Z-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T11:55:00.000Z-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-07-26T11:55:00.000Z-24.11.2.232-2010-07-26T08:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unocal_76_Challenge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unocal_76_Challenge-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unocal_76_Challenge-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z"></span>Unocal 76 Challenge<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unocal_76_Challenge-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z-Unocal_76_Challenge"></span>Created a new article - <a href="/wiki/Unocal_76_Challenge" title="Unocal 76 Challenge">Unocal 76 Challenge</a></li> <li>Looking to expand and include the results for the <a href="/wiki/Unocal_76_World_Pit_Crew_Competition" class="mw-redirect" title="Unocal 76 World Pit Crew Competition">Unocal 76 World Pit Crew Competition</a>, the results are easy to find in the NASCAR media guides.</li> <li>Also, found information about the Darlington Record Club, which I suppose withered with the end of the Southern 500 (or did it). I think a page about that would be interesting.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z-Unocal_76_Challenge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z-Unocal_76_Challenge"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2010-08-05T17:04:00.000Z-Unocal_76_Challenge"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z"></span>WP NASCAR in the <i>Signpost</i><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mabeenot-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost"></span>"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject NASCAR for a <i>Signpost</i> article to be published this month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject_desk/Interviews5" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews5">here are the questions for the interview</a>. Just add your responses below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Have a great day. -<a href="/wiki/User:Mabeenot" title="User:Mabeenot">Mabeenot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mabeenot" title="User talk:Mabeenot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Mabeenot-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mabeenot-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mabeenot-2010-08-06T20:32:00.000Z-WP_NASCAR_in_the_Signpost"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NASCAR_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-NASCAR_article-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NASCAR_article-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/NASCAR" title="NASCAR">NASCAR</a> article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NASCAR_article-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z-NASCAR_article"></span>The article was unprotected a few hours ago, so it would be good for everyone to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WATCHLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WATCHLIST">watchlist</a> the article for vandalism. If it gets bad, please list at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RPP">WP:RPP</a> and state that semi-protection was removed from the article as a test after being protected for 2 years. I'll watch it and will protect it if needed since I have the admin tools. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z-NASCAR_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z-NASCAR_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z-NASCAR_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-07T22:07:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the announcement! --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-08-07T22:07:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-07T22:07:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-07T22:07:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-08-07T22:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sprint_Cup_schedule" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sprint_Cup_schedule-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sprint_Cup_schedule-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Sprint Cup schedule<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sprint_Cup_schedule-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z-Sprint_Cup_schedule"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Sprint_Cup" class="mw-disambig" title="Sprint Cup">Sprint Cup</a> schedule will be released tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:Wayne_Olajuwon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wayne Olajuwon">Wayne Olajuwon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wayne_Olajuwon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Wayne Olajuwon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z-Sprint_Cup_schedule" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z-Sprint_Cup_schedule"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z-Sprint_Cup_schedule"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-17T17:57:00.000Z-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Yes it will per <a href="/wiki/2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series" title="2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series">2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series</a>. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-08-17T17:57:00.000Z-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-17T17:57:00.000Z-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-17T17:57:00.000Z-Wayne_Olajuwon-2010-08-17T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related." data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related.-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related.-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Brickyard 400 broadcasters">List of Brickyard 400 broadcasters</a> and related.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related.-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related."></span>A group of lists of xxxx 400 broadcasters have been proded, sent to AfD or had merges suggested. I've no idea how important or trivial such lists are, but I figured I'd alert the appropriate wikiproject. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Hobit" title="User:Hobit">Hobit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hobit" title="User talk:Hobit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z-List_of_Brickyard_400_broadcasters_and_related."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-20T00:58:00.000Z-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span>Since they are having problems, I guess it would be appropriate to merge for the ime being, but please notice that over time these tend to become very large to handle. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: black">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: red">1996</span></a></b> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Contributions</span></a> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/Guestbook&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/Guestbook (page does not exist)"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color: blue">Guestbook</span></a></i></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-08-20T00:58:00.000Z-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-20T00:58:00.000Z-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-08-20T00:58:00.000Z-Hobit-2010-08-20T00:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Satellite_team" data-mw-thread-id="h-Satellite_team-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Satellite_team-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Satellite_team" title="Satellite team">Satellite team</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Satellite_team-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z-Satellite_team"></span>There's a request at WikiProject Motorsport to expand the new article. NASCAR teams are part of the article. By the way, if an article is part of WikiProject NASCAR, then it should not be added to WikiProject Motorsport. WikiProject Motorsport is a parent WikiProject for WP:NASCAR so NASCAR articles are automatically part of WP:MOTOR. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z-Satellite_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z-Satellite_team"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-08-23T01:54:00.000Z-Satellite_team"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Track_Pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Track_Pages-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Track_Pages-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"></span>Track Pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Track_Pages-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z-Track_Pages"></span>I've been working on the <a href="/wiki/Auto_Club_Speedway" title="Auto Club Speedway">Auto Club Speedway</a> page and in the process noticed that there is a lot of inconsistency in the order and content of track pages. The format and content of the records differ as well. There's not much to follow in the standards other than the sidebar information. Wondering if you guys have some thoughts about additional standards for track pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Lvi56" title="User:Lvi56">Lvi56</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lvi56" title="User talk:Lvi56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z-Track_Pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z-Track_Pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z-Track_Pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"></span>No, there isn't many at our standards page. Also, I have no ideal what a track article should have; there are none at good and featured status. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T00:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z"></span>After some searching I found the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Event_Venues/Sports_task_force" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Event Venues/Sports task force">Sports Facilities Task Force</a>, which makes sense. There is a basic structure provided, I suppose I'll start and work from there. <a href="/wiki/User:Lvi56" title="User:Lvi56">Lvi56</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lvi56" title="User talk:Lvi56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T01:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T19:11:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z"></span>Okay. --<b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T19:11:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T19:11:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-13T19:11:00.000Z-Lvi56-2010-09-13T03:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release" data-mw-thread-id="h-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span>NASCAR articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release"></span>Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team">Wikipedia 1.0 team</a> for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Article_selection" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Article selection">selected based on their assessed importance and quality</a>, then article <i>versions</i> (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the <a href="/wiki/WikiTrust" title="WikiTrust">WikiTrust</a> algorithm. </p><p>We would like to ask you to review the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&namespace=0&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=100&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality&filterRelease=on&reviewFilter=0&releaseFilter=1&projecta=NASCAR">NASCAR articles and revisionIDs we have chosen</a>. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.8" title="Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8">Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8</a></b> with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi">articles with cleanup tags</a> and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.8" title="Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8">Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8</a>. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th. </p><p>We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as <a href="/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child" title="One Laptop per Child">One Laptop per Child</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://schools-wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia for Schools</a> to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.8" title="Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8">your WikiProject's feedback</a>! </p><p>For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, <a href="/wiki/User:SelectionBot" title="User:SelectionBot">SelectionBot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z-NASCAR_articles_have_been_selected_for_the_Wikipedia_0.8_release"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:08:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for your suggestions.</dd> <dd>Removing <b>Paul Tracy</b> - this made it in because of its score in Canadian Sports, but the score seems unreasonably high. You may have spotted a small bug in the selection bot code! But don't worry - even if it stays, that wouldn't affect our decision on the four proposed "adds".</dd> <dd>As for adding the four articles, two of these (<b>Rick Hendrick</b> and <b>Bill France, Sr.</b>) are Start-Class articles with low scores for "external interest" (page hits, other language versions etc). Hendrick even has a cleanup tag. If these were B-Class or better, we could perhaps consider them, especially the Bill France one, but as fairly low quality articles it's hard to make the case. Maybe you could get them to GA status in time for Version 1.0 next year? However, we will add in your suggestions of <b>Hendrick Motorsports</b> and <b>Darrell Waltrip</b> for this release. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walkerma" title="User talk:Walkerma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:08:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:08:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:08:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:30:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span>I added <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Darrell_Waltrip&oldid=388423039">this version</a> of the Waltrip article, and I just noticed that it only has two references. If you think the quality of this article is too low, please let me know and I'll make sure it gets removed. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walkerma" title="User talk:Walkerma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:30:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:30:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walkerma-2010-11-16T07:30:00.000Z-SelectionBot-2010-09-19T23:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Project_News" data-mw-thread-id="h-Project_News-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Project_News-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Project News<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Project_News-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z-Project_News"></span>It needs to be updated. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph507357" title="User:Joseph507357">Joseph507357</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph507357" title="User talk:Joseph507357">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z-Project_News" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z-Project_News"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z-Project_News"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Once the bot get up and running again (Which I doubt) it will be updated daily, but untill then we will have to deal with it. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, wasn't aware about a bot doing it. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph507357" title="User:Joseph507357">Joseph507357</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph507357" title="User talk:Joseph507357">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:26:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span>After reading the bots status it says it should up running within the month. Its last edit was in April of 2010. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:26:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:26:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-09-20T00:26:00.000Z-Joseph507357-2010-09-20T00:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wallace_Simpson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wallace_Simpson-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wallace_Simpson-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z"></span>Wallace Simpson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wallace_Simpson-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z-Wallace_Simpson"></span>Just a quick note to say that Wallace Simpson is now a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Wallis,_Duchess_of_Windsor" class="mw-redirect" title="Wallis, Duchess of Windsor">Wallis, Duchess of Windsor</a> (Wallis Simpson) as it is a homophone. When an article is created on the NASCAR driver, it could be at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wallace_Simpson_(NASCAR)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wallace Simpson (NASCAR) (page does not exist)">Wallace Simpson (NASCAR)</a>, or it could be at the non-dabbed title, with a hatnote pointing towards the article on Wallis Simpson. For the moment, I've tweaked you drivers subpage to have Wallace Simpson at the dabbed title, so that it doesn't show up as a bluelink. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Mjroots-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z-Wallace_Simpson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z-Wallace_Simpson"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2010-09-25T15:31:00.000Z-Wallace_Simpson"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Alan_Kulwicki" title="Alan Kulwicki">Alan Kulwicki</a> second featured run<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run"></span>On Commons, NASCAR1996 and I discussed getting something featured for WikiProject NASCAR. We agreed that <a href="/wiki/Alan_Kulwicki" title="Alan Kulwicki">Alan Kulwicki</a> is probably the best option. I attempted it for Featured Article once before and it didn't pass because there was too much to do. It didn't fail because it was real bad. So I request that all of the members of this WikiProject review the article for excellence in grammar, spotless sourcing using impeccable <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>, content flow, etc. We decided to nominate it in just under 2 weeks after I get back from an extended weekend vacation next weekend. I'm going to request reviews from my fellow WikiProject Wisconsin members since he was from Wisconsin. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-03T04:30:00.000Z-Alan_Kulwicki_second_featured_run"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"><span id="The_Big_One_.28NASCAR.29_tagged_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/The_Big_One_(NASCAR)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Big One (NASCAR)">The Big One (NASCAR)</a> tagged for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/The_Big_One_(NASCAR)" class="mw-redirect" title="The Big One (NASCAR)">The Big One (NASCAR)</a> has been tagged for deletion, by who seems to be a new user. A reasonable reason has not really been given. I'm soliciting some reviews and/or backups for keeping the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z-The_Big_One_(NASCAR)_tagged_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"></span>What all can we do to make sure it don't? I tried to notify a more active admistrator that I go to for help. I also think we may want to notify Royalbroil. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2010-10-13T18:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-14T02:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z"></span>You just did! It was a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">prod</a>, which any can contest simply by removing the proposed deletion for any or even no reason. I removed the prod and provided the reason that there is multiple independent sources. Either of you could have contested the deletion. It's only for cases where the proposer doubts their would be anyone to protest. Obviously there are a minimum of 3 protesters. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-10-14T02:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-14T02:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-10-14T02:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-10-13T22:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WikiProject_cleanup_listing" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject_cleanup_listing-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject_cleanup_listing-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z"></span>WikiProject cleanup listing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject_cleanup_listing-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svick-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z-WikiProject_cleanup_listing"></span>I have created together with <a href="/wiki/User:Smallman12q" title="User:Smallman12q">Smallman12q</a> a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for <a href="/wiki/User:WolterBot" title="User:WolterBot">WolterBot</a> and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:WolterBot_cleanup_listing_subscriptions&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions (page does not exist)">Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions</a>). See <a href="/wiki/User:Svick/WikiProject_cleanup_listing" title="User:Svick/WikiProject cleanup listing">the tool's wiki page</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListing.php?project=NASCAR">this project's listing in one big table</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=NASCAR">by categories</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/Index.php">the index of WikiProjects</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Svick" title="User:Svick">Svick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svick" title="User talk:Svick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Svick-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z-WikiProject_cleanup_listing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svick-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z-WikiProject_cleanup_listing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svick-2010-11-07T19:56:00.000Z-WikiProject_cleanup_listing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Template:NASCAR Sprint Cup Races<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races"></span>Shouldn't the update to 2011 wait until... you know... 2011? Right now isn't the majority of interest still going to be with the 2010 season - particularly for those who missed todays race and pop into Wikipedia to have a look? I would personally find the switch over to 2011 in the templates particularly annoying as the majority of the 2011 race articles are unpopulated with little or no content, particularl when the 2010 season conclusion was only a couple of hours ago and the full range of presentations and awards have still to be completed? The races may have been completed, but the season hasn't. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z-Template:NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Races"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T00:21:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Replied there. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T00:21:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T00:21:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T00:21:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T00:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings" data-mw-thread-id="h-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"></span>2009 Sprint Cup Drivers Standings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings"></span>Any idea where that is? Seems to be completely absent. Surely this is rather important? --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z-2009_Sprint_Cup_Drivers_Standings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"></span>What do you mean? The Cup is probably on <a href="/wiki/2009_Chase_for_the_Sprint_Cup" title="2009 Chase for the Sprint Cup">2009 Chase for the Sprint Cup</a>. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z"></span>Except that it isn't. There is some mention of the top twelve only and layout is not exceptional. 13th and below might be considered useful though yes? --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z"></span>Yes, the large table on the 2010 season, is new. I made that table aroud August or June. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-11-22T21:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2010-11-22T21:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FRuss_Salerno"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russ Salerno">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russ Salerno</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J04n-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno"></span>Comments are welcome. —<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;"><a href="/wiki/User:J04n" title="User:J04n">J04n</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J04n" title="User talk:J04n">talk page</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-J04n-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J04n-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J04n-2010-12-01T13:27:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russ_Salerno"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_at_FP" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_at_FP-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_at_FP-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z"></span>Nomination at FP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_at_FP-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z-Nomination_at_FP"></span>I have recently nominated an image for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FP">WP:FP</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Junior_at_Darlington" title="Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Junior at Darlington">here</a>. All comments are welcome.<b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Monotype Corsiva"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z-Nomination_at_FP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z-Nomination_at_FP"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-06T18:30:00.000Z-Nomination_at_FP"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"><span id="Jimmie_Johnson.27s_Anything_with_an_Engine"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"></span>Jimmie Johnson's Anything with an Engine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine"></span>Should the game article be created soon, now, never? Would it need the projects banner, or motorsports? <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z-Jimmie_Johnson's_Anything_with_an_Engine"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"></span>You can create it at any time if you wish. I see it's a Wii game. I probably wouldn't add to either WP:NASCAR or WP:MOTOR. I'd add it to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games">Video games WikiProject</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-19T22:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-21T11:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z"></span>I was just asking. Thanks Royalbroil, and I probably will create it sometime when more information is introduced. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-12-21T11:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-21T11:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-21T11:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2010-12-21T04:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Car_number_backgrounds" data-mw-thread-id="h-Car_number_backgrounds-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Car_number_backgrounds-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"></span>Car number backgrounds<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Car_number_backgrounds-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z-Car_number_backgrounds"></span>Now, having been accused of vandalism for removing coloured backgrounds on <a href="/wiki/2010_NASCAR_Camping_World_Truck_Series" title="2010 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series">2010 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series</a>, I wish to seek clarification on why such backgrounds are not feasible. For instance, if a colourblind user is using the website, the colours would not show up as had been placed. Furthermore, a car/truck may use several different liveries per season that the number would reflect the most recent livery and are thus completely trivial. So, my proposal is for all coloured car number backgrounds to be removed. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:Zemestro;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cs-wolves" title="User:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:black;background:gold">Cs-wolves</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cs-wolves" title="User talk:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:gold;background:black">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z-Car_number_backgrounds" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z-Car_number_backgrounds"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z-Car_number_backgrounds"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"></span>Ignore the warnings. I'm removing them too. I going to put them in the Standards, so there will even be another reason not to have them. The paint schemes are not notable, and are too much. The sponsors are barely notable so ignore the warnings. All colors should be removed. I havn't had a problem removing them before so.. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-23T21:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z"></span>The problem has only been recent, but it is good to see a stand being taken against them. Excellent. <span style="font-family:Zemestro;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cs-wolves" title="User:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:black;background:gold">Cs-wolves</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cs-wolves" title="User talk:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:gold;background:black">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2010-12-23T23:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-24T01:01:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z"></span>Definitely remove as it's a classic case of overusing color as noted in the style manual at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COLOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COLOR">Wikipedia:COLOR</a>. Colors are not to be used to convey information and they are purely decoration. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2010-12-24T01:01:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-24T01:01:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2010-12-24T01:01:00.000Z-Cs-wolves-2010-12-24T00:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2009_Sharpie_500" data-mw-thread-id="h-2009_Sharpie_500-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2009_Sharpie_500-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/2009_Sharpie_500" title="2009 Sharpie 500">2009 Sharpie 500</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-2009_Sharpie_500-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No1lakersfan-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z-2009_Sharpie_500"></span>Right now this article is being discussed for deletion. I thought I would bring this to your attention since it falls within scope of this project. You all may wish to put it on your list of urgent things to do, so that it can be improved relatively quickly and be saved from the wrath of the deletion process. --Willy <a href="/wiki/User:No1lakersfan" title="User:No1lakersfan">No1lakersfan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No1lakersfan" title="User talk:No1lakersfan">Talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/No1lakersfan" title="Special:Contributions/No1lakersfan">Edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-No1lakersfan-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z-2009_Sharpie_500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No1lakersfan-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z-2009_Sharpie_500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No1lakersfan-2011-01-01T15:54:00.000Z-2009_Sharpie_500"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorsports" data-mw-thread-id="h-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"><span id="Junior_Johnson_.26_Associates.2C_Junior_Johnson_Racing.2C_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorsports"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Junior_Johnson_%26_Associates" title="Junior Johnson & Associates">Junior Johnson & Associates</a>, Junior Johnson Racing, and Junior Johnson Motorsports<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor"></span>Since I'm not too familiar with Johnson's life, are all of these his specific teams. I'm for sure that he will have a team in 2011 names Junior Johnson Racing which will race in the lower devisions, and plans to become a Cup team with their driver. While researching for the team, I found Junior Johnson Motorsports, which redirects to <a href="/wiki/Brett_Bodine_Racing" title="Brett Bodine Racing">Brett Bodine Racing</a>, then I found Junior Johnson & Associates, which seem to be when Darrell Waltrip drove for him. Are the teams names correct, and should we redirect one and create it per his complete team history? Thanks. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z-Junior_Johnson_&_Associates,_Junior_Johnson_Racing,_and_Junior_Johnson_Motorspor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"></span>Junior Johnson had racing teams for a VERY long time and they were the best for much of the time. He was about as important as Rick Hendrick has been over the past decade. The <a href="/wiki/Alan_Kulwicki" title="Alan Kulwicki">Alan Kulwicki</a> article talks a little about his significance. So it easily should have its own article. I bet most of the content is listed under <a href="/wiki/Junior_Johnson" title="Junior Johnson">Junior Johnson</a> himself because at that time teams were know under their owner not as separate entities (unlike now). I don't know what the team was named at the time or even if it had a name. DW was one of the many drivers to win under him. I think there should not be a redirect and an article should be created for Johnson's team including the complete history. The redirect goes from something major to something minor (in the big scheme of history). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-04T03:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-21T11:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z"></span>Okay, thanks for helping me understand. <b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-21T11:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-21T11:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-21T11:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-21T05:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"><span id="Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Kenton_Gray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Kenton Gray (page does not exist)">Kenton Gray</a> - does he matter or his he just another Scientologist?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span>OK, excuse my ignorance of all things NASCAR. I'm clearing up a whole pile of Scientology related junk and I came across <a href="/w/index.php?title=Kenton_Gray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Kenton Gray (page does not exist)">Kenton Gray</a>. The article has him notable for "Dianetics Racing Team" - which seems to be non-notable Scientology-cruft. </p><p>My question is, does this chap have independent notability in NASCAR? If he doesn't I'll go for deletion, if he does, can someone fix up the article to show how? Thanks.--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott_MacDonald" title="User talk:Scott MacDonald">Scott Mac</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"></span>He's actually a driver, but - I found nothing notable about him. He raced in lower-tier NASCAR series, and Racing Reference has no record of him. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-05T20:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z"></span>I believe it is not notable, but I'm not completely sure. I would look at the standards for race drivers, and see if it is. <b><span style="border: 2px #1234aa solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:Red;">1996 </span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-05T22:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-07T04:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z"></span>Strictly amateur drivers who only raced regional and local NASCAR tracks fail <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATHLETE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATHLETE">WP:ATHLETE</a>. I lost one article that way. I have proposed deletion with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">WP:PROD</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-01-07T04:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-07T04:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-07T04:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-05T23:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-13T00:49:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span>Note the debate at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kenton_Gray" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenton Gray">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenton Gray</a>--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott_MacDonald" title="User talk:Scott MacDonald">Scott Mac</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-13T00:49:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-13T00:49:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_MacDonald-2011-01-13T00:49:00.000Z-Kenton_Gray_-_does_he_matter_or_his_he_just_another_Scientologist?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Television" data-mw-thread-id="h-Television-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Television-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span>Television<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Television-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z-Television"></span>Hello, do any of you think that our project should include how the season's races were televised? Such as what I have done at <a href="/wiki/2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series" title="2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series">2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series</a>? I've began wondering if it is notable because it doesn't really affect the actually season. --<b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z-Television" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z-Television"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z-Television"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span>I really don't think that's notable, really. Some might even consider it trivia. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-29T16:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z"></span>So do you think I should remove it completely from the article, or just remove the international section and leave the US television thats in the calendar table? --<b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-29T16:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z"></span>Before doing anything, see if there's any precedent set by the F1 series, and see if they have any televised lists posted. If not, then you can feel safe about removing it entirely from the NASCAR side of things. That's what I would suggest at this point. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T00:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z"></span>I would prefer to see the start time listed as a minimum. Keeping the U.S. television network is fine with me, but there's precedent to remove then it's fine with me. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-30T04:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z"></span>Thats what I was also thinking. After I seen a comment at our sister project, that said, it has no affect on the season, and I have been thinking about it since then I have agreed that it isn't that notable. So I suppose the result is remove all? --<b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-01-30T04:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z"></span>If it works, go for it. :) <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-01-30T04:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z"></span>Does any of you think testing should be included in season articles? <b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-01-31T01:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span>I assume you mean preseason testing not related to a specific race. It belongs in some article, and nowhere else is appropriate. Yes, in the season article. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T02:24:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Thats what I was thinking. Faldacore (excuse spelling mistake if there is one) is believing that it should be removed. <b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T02:24:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T02:24:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T02:24:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T01:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Daytona_500_pace_cars" data-mw-thread-id="h-Daytona_500_pace_cars-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Daytona_500_pace_cars-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"></span>Daytona 500 pace cars<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Daytona_500_pace_cars-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z-Daytona_500_pace_cars"></span>Should there be a <a href="/wiki/Daytona_500_pace_cars" class="mw-redirect" title="Daytona 500 pace cars">Daytona 500 pace cars</a> article like <a href="/wiki/Indianapolis_500_pace_cars" title="Indianapolis 500 pace cars">Indianapolis 500 pace cars</a>?--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a>/<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio_Vernon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon">BIO</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a>) </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z-Daytona_500_pace_cars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z-Daytona_500_pace_cars"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z-Daytona_500_pace_cars"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure. Doesn't seem that notable of a topic. The Indy 500 is much larger than the Daytona 500, and is more notable in my opinion. <b><span style="border: 2px grey solid;background:silver;font-family: Arial"><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2011-01-31T21:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z"></span>I agree. The Indy pace cars are typically specially built just for that race "Indy pace car replica", whereas the pace cars used at Daytona are typical NASCAR pace cars. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-02-01T00:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z"></span>I'd rather not see any article on this topic. It's not a part of the lore of the race, unlike Indy 500 pace cars. I'm in both relevant WikiProjects. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-02-01T01:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-02-01T04:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z"></span>I was just wondering because I have just done this review: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Ford_Mustang_(first_generation)/GA1" title="Talk:Ford Mustang (first generation)/GA1">Talk:Ford Mustang (first generation)/GA1</a>. I thought the Mustang might have relevant history information regarding being a D500 pace car as well, but I imagine that is insignificant given the feedback I have gotten.--<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger" title="User:TonyTheTiger">TonyTheTiger</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TonyTheTiger" title="User talk:TonyTheTiger">T</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger" title="Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger">C</a>/<a href="/wiki/User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio_Vernon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon">BIO</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHICAGO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHICAGO">WP:CHICAGO</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOUR">WP:FOUR</a>) </small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TonyTheTiger-2011-02-01T04:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-02-01T04:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TonyTheTiger-2011-02-01T04:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-02-01T01:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_templates-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_templates-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z"></span>New templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_templates-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z-New_templates"></span>Howdy all. I've created templatess for adding Racing-Reference stats links to pages a la the IMDb templates: <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Racing-Reference_driver" title="Template:Racing-Reference driver">Racing-Reference driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>|<i>driver_name</i> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Racing-Reference_owner" title="Template:Racing-Reference owner">Racing-Reference owner</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>|<i>owner_name</i>. Can somebody whose template-fu is better than mine perhaps see if there's a way to add a "display name" paramater? (i.e. for when there are multiple drivers in the R-R database with the same name (such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.racing-reference.info/driver/John_Anderson_(1)">[2]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.racing-reference.info/driver/John_Anderson_(2)">[3]</a> or when it's necessary to textually distinguish between multiple links (as on the <a href="/wiki/Richard_Childress" title="Richard Childress">Richard Childress</a> page)? Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z-New_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z-New_templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-02-22T22:05:00.000Z-New_templates"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR race (page does not exist)">Template:Infobox NASCAR race</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race"></span>Does anyone else think that we should put the previous winner and team in the infobox for the current races? I noticed the concept on <a href="/wiki/Template:F1_race" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:F1 race">Template:F1 race</a>. I'm not sure if we should also include the pole positon or not. Also, does the race articles (not race reports) need to have the winner's amount of winnings, distance, race time, and average speed needed, even though most are now on the individual race reports? --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-07T03:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"></span>I oppose all of these suggestions. It takes too much work to maintain. There have been very few times in the past 5 years when people have been so actively creating articles. I'd rather see no information on the previous race than to sometimes see dated information. The money part isn't very relevant in my opinion. Distance, time and average speed are much more relevant. But I'm concerned about dated information again. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DATED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DATED">WP:DATED</a> is somewhat along the lines of my argument against doing this. There are a lot more people around the world who are interested in Formula One so it's less likely to become dated (I'd still argue against it to them though). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-03-07T03:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-07T03:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-07T03:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-03-06T18:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_up_for_Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_up_for_Deletion-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_up_for_Deletion-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Article up for Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_up_for_Deletion-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z-Article_up_for_Deletion"></span>Check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Menarch" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menarch">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menarch</a> and say your opinion (whatever that means). Some expert analysis would be helpful. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z-Article_up_for_Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z-Article_up_for_Deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-22T12:18:00.000Z-Article_up_for_Deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z"><span id="Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy.2FGA1"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1" title="Talk:Harley J. Earl Trophy/GA1">Talk:Harley J. Earl Trophy/GA1</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wizardman-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1"></span>Would one of you guys be able to fix the issues in this review? The writer's not really active and I would rather not fail it since it's just about to GA status. <a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman"><span style="color:#030"><i><b>Wizardman</b></i></span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman/Operation_Big_Bear" title="User:Wizardman/Operation Big Bear"><span style="color:#600">Operation Big Bear</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wizardman-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wizardman-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wizardman-2011-03-24T03:13:00.000Z-Talk:Harley_J._Earl_Trophy/GA1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series" data-mw-thread-id="h-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Mexico" title="NASCAR Mexico">NASCAR Mexico</a> merge with <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Corona_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Corona Series">NASCAR Corona Series</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Ph%C3%B3sphoros" title="User:Phósphoros"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series"></span>User:Phósphoros</a> has tagged merging the articles without discussion. I want to have a discussion to see if this makes sense. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not understanding why a series should be merged with the company that sanctions it. Since this is now controversial (with my request for discussion), I have started this discussion. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z-NASCAR_Mexico_merge_with_NASCAR_Corona_Series"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Keep separate. They don't need to be merged. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-03-27T21:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-03-27T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"><span id="Move_Goody.27s_Fast_Pain_Relief_500"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"></span>Move Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500"></span>Do you guys think that <a href="/wiki/Goody%27s_Fast_Pain_Relief_500" class="mw-redirect" title="Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500">Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500</a> should be moved to <a href="/wiki/Goody%27s_Fast_Relief_500" class="mw-redirect" title="Goody's Fast Relief 500">Goody's Fast Relief 500</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Wayne_Slam" title="User:Wayne Slam"><b><span style="color:White;background:darkblue">Wayne</span></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wayne_Slam" title="User talk:Wayne Slam"><b><span style="color:darkBlue">Slam</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z-Move_Goody's_Fast_Pain_Relief_500"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"></span>No. It's been the way it is for over 2 years now. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z-Wayne_Slam-2011-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z"></span>No.</s> NASCAR races should be named after the current name for the race (except that one who gets renamed each year after a lucky winner). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-04-04T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z"></span>Actual name of the race is now without the 'Pain.' It seems it changes every year, and different websites have different names for the race. However, the race name for the 2011 race is Goody's Fast Relief 500. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-04-04T23:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-06T04:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z"></span>Then change my suggestion to <b>Support</b> per my earlier reason. I struck my oppose. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-04-06T04:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-06T04:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-04-06T04:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-04-05T01:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup" title="Template:2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup">Template:2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup</a> nominated for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span>Hello, I nominated this template for deletion because it seems rather pointless. Everyone is invited to express their opinions <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">here</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Then what about all the other <a href="/wiki/Category:NASCAR_templates" title="Category:NASCAR templates">NASCAR templates</a>? Are they just as pointless? Why single just this one out? <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel"><span style="color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;"><b> ArcAngel </b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">(talk)</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T20:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T23:46:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z"></span>When I began creating the race articles, they are not needed. No others race articles in other motorsports have it, I think those other season templates should also be deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T23:46:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T23:46:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-05T23:46:00.000Z-ArcAngel-2011-05-05T20:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span>The template was not deleted. Should we add it back to all the articles that it was removed from? <a href="/wiki/User:Fbdave" title="User:Fbdave">Fbdave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fbdave" title="User talk:Fbdave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z-Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_nominated_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z"></span>No not in my opinion. The template is large and is completely pointless on the race articles. Maybe if you can reformat it to be similar to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:F1GP_10-19" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:F1GP 10-19">F1GP 10-19</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> so it will not take up as much space and it will be located with the other navigation template then you can. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-29T19:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z"></span>When transcluded in the race articles, the template is very helpful to non-project members. I have no opinion on the format. <a href="/wiki/User:Fbdave" title="User:Fbdave">Fbdave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fbdave" title="User talk:Fbdave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-29T20:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z"></span>There is a template to go race by race, showing the previous and next race on articles in 2010 and 2011. (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:NASCAR_next_race" title="Template:NASCAR next race">NASCAR next race</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) The season template's format is long and no other Motorsports' (<a href="/wiki/Formula_One" title="Formula One">Formula One</a> and <a href="/wiki/IndyCar" title="IndyCar">IndyCar</a>) article has it. Why should we have it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-30T19:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:2007_Nextel_Cup" title="Template:2007 Nextel Cup">2007 Nextel Cup</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:2008_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup" title="Template:2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup">2008 NASCAR Sprint Cup</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:2009_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup" title="Template:2009 NASCAR Sprint Cup">2009 NASCAR Sprint Cup</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> were used in previous seasons and they all use the same format as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup" title="Template:2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup">2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fbdave" title="User:Fbdave">Fbdave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fbdave" title="User talk:Fbdave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-05-30T20:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-31T01:37:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z"></span>I rather would have removed all of those as well. Its not just one template I want to remove. Those were used prior to the creation of the infobox, and before the articles were heavily improved. By the way the viewers could either go to the season article or follow the navigation at the bottom. I remain against the template. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-05-31T01:37:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-31T01:37:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-05-31T01:37:00.000Z-Fbdave-2011-05-31T01:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"></span>Proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z-Proposal"></span>On the driver articles, are their 'Winnings' notable? If not we should remove them, maybe replace them with Points? --<a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><b><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:#1234aa;">1996</span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z-Proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z-Proposal"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z-Proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-10T04:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"></span>I agree, the money is trivial and none of the reader's business. If the reader really wants to dig the internet then let them, but I don't think it important enough to bring out in driver's articles. Points made sense in season summaries, but I prefer neither in favorite of listing only their final position in the points. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-06-10T04:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-10T04:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-10T04:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-06-09T20:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"></span>Copyright concerns related to your project<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project"></span>This notice is to advise interested editors that a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations" title="Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations">Contributor copyright investigation</a> has been opened which may impact this project. 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Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z-Copyright_concerns_related_to_your_project"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"></span>The investigation can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/GVnayR" title="Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GVnayR">Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/GVnayR</a>. Fortunately, most of the edits are lower priority such as articles about specific NASCAR races or low priority drivers. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z-MER-C-2011-06-25T09:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T04:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Articles that concern me if they were lost: <a href="/wiki/Jim_Reed_(racer)" class="mw-redirect" title="Jim Reed (racer)">Jim Reed (racer)</a> (7 wins), <a href="/wiki/Frank_Mundy" title="Frank Mundy">Frank Mundy</a> (3 wins + 1955 AAA National Stock car champ), <a href="/wiki/1970_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1970 in NASCAR">1970 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/Asheville-Weaverville_Speedway" class="mw-redirect" title="Asheville-Weaverville Speedway">Asheville-Weaverville Speedway</a> (34 races between 1951 and 1969), <a href="/wiki/Beltsville_Speedway" title="Beltsville Speedway">Beltsville Speedway</a> (10 Cup races), <a href="/wiki/Ed_Negre" title="Ed Negre">Ed Negre</a> (26 Top 10s, finished 12th in 1971 points), <a href="/wiki/Bill_Seifert" title="Bill Seifert">Bill Seifert</a> (49 Top 10), <a href="/wiki/Neil_Castles" title="Neil Castles">Neil Castles</a> (178 Top 10), <a href="/wiki/1955_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1955 in NASCAR">1955 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/Worth_McMillion" title="Worth McMillion">Worth McMillion</a> (18 Top 10), <a href="/wiki/1963_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1963 in NASCAR">1963 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gwyn_Staley" title="Gwyn Staley">Gwyn Staley</a> (3 wins), <a href="/wiki/Joe_Eubanks" title="Joe Eubanks">Joe Eubanks</a> (1 win), <a href="/wiki/1971_Daytona_500" title="1971 Daytona 500">1971 Daytona 500</a>, <a href="/wiki/1971_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1971 in NASCAR">1971 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cayuga_Speedway" class="mw-redirect" title="Cayuga Speedway">Cayuga Speedway</a> (<a href="/wiki/CASCAR" title="CASCAR">CASCAR</a> / Canadian Tire Series), <a href="/wiki/Blackie_Pitt" title="Blackie Pitt">Blackie Pitt</a> (1954 Rookie of the Year), <a href="/wiki/Jabe_Thomas" title="Jabe Thomas">Jabe Thomas</a> (77 Top 10), <a href="/wiki/Jim_Vandiver" title="Jim Vandiver">Jim Vandiver</a> (24 Top 10, 15 years), <a href="/wiki/1961_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1961 in NASCAR">1961 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/Langley_Field_Speedway" class="mw-redirect" title="Langley Field Speedway">Langley Field Speedway</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Massey" title="Jimmy Massey">Jimmy Massey</a> (28 Top 10, 1 pole), <a href="/wiki/Frank_Warren_(NASCAR_driver)" class="mw-redirect" title="Frank Warren (NASCAR driver)">Frank Warren (NASCAR driver)</a> (29 Top 10), <a href="/wiki/Joe_Frasson" title="Joe Frasson">Joe Frasson</a> (19 Top 10, 2nd in rookie points), <a href="/wiki/2010_in_NASCAR" title="2010 in NASCAR">2010 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/2009_in_NASCAR" title="2009 in NASCAR">2009 in NASCAR</a>, <a href="/wiki/2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series" title="2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series">2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eddie_Gray_(NASCAR_driver)" class="mw-redirect" title="Eddie Gray (NASCAR driver)">Eddie Gray (NASCAR driver)</a> (4 wins), and <a href="/wiki/Lloyd_Moore" title="Lloyd Moore">Lloyd Moore</a> (1 win). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T04:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T04:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T04:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-06-29T03:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox_problems" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_problems-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_problems-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"></span>Infobox problems<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_problems-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z-Infobox_problems"></span>Hello, I have noticed some problems in our infoboxes. When you go to some articles, it may say that 2002 was their last season (example), but it links to 2002 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series. Which does not exist. The same problems are frequent with the other series as well. I have a solution to Cup and the Truck Series by making redirects such as 2002 NASCAR Cup Series and 2002 NASCAR Truck Series. Any other ideas? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z-Infobox_problems" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z-Infobox_problems"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z-Infobox_problems"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"></span>Redirects are cheap and a lot easier than another options. I suppose an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser" title="Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser">AutoWikiBrowser</a> might be programmed to search and change the text but you'd have to be real sharp. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T03:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z"></span>What could the Nationwide Series redirects be called?--<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-27T04:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span>I'm going to use the current name. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span>I have two questions, why are all of the lower series combined with the Cup Series, and why are the wins, top tens, and poles like the rest of the infobox, unlike other driver infoboxes? A similar case is with WP:F1, they have higher series and lower series. However, their infobox only has the F1 series, while the others use Infobox Racing driver. Should we keep our infobox real long, or make it shorter? I find it odd how we combined all the series. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T13:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z"></span>I don't understand your question. With naming the Nationwide and Truck Series articles, it should use the name from the time. So 1999 Nationwide Series should be located at <a href="/wiki/1999_NASCAR_Busch_Series" title="1999 NASCAR Busch Series">1999 NASCAR Busch Series</a>. Redirects from <a href="/w/index.php?title=1999_Nationwide_Series&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="1999 Nationwide Series (page does not exist)">1999 Nationwide Series</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=1999_Busch_Grand_National_Series&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="1999 Busch Grand National Series (page does not exist)">1999 Busch Grand National Series</a> are appropriate. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-27T20:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z"></span>I used <a href="/wiki/2011_NASCAR_Cup_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="2011 NASCAR Cup Series">2011 NASCAR Cup Series</a> and redirected it to <a href="/wiki/2011_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series" title="2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series">2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series</a>, so it would work with the entire season. For the truck series I created <a href="/wiki/1995_NASCAR_Truck_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="1995 NASCAR Truck Series">1995 NASCAR Truck Series</a> and redirected it to <a href="/wiki/1995_NASCAR_SuperTruck_Series_presented_by_Craftsman" class="mw-redirect" title="1995 NASCAR SuperTruck Series presented by Craftsman">1995 NASCAR SuperTruck Series presented by Craftsman</a>. My comment about the driver's infobox is why did we include the Nationwide Series, the Truck Series, and the Corona Series in the same template with the Cup Series? I was looking at some other driver infoboxes, and noticed that we are also the only one to have our wins, and poles (with the addition of top-fives) side-by-side. Most infoboxes have them going down the infobox, not across. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-28T11:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z"></span>I like the current driver's infobox (but I'm not married to it). Almost all Cup drivers raced in the 3 major USA series on their way up and often they race in the other series. The drivers in the other major racing series don't go back into lower series regularly like NASCAR drivers do. I like how the template conserves space for listing the wins, poles, and Top 10s beside each other. Do you want to copy the template into your userspace and give an attempt with how you'd like it layed out? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T13:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if it would be better to make the template for wins, top-tens, and poles like all the other templates. However, it would be fine keeping it the way it is. Should we add the Sprint Cup Series, etc on the team's infobox? Should we use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_sportsperson" title="Template:Infobox sportsperson">Infobox sportsperson</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for the crew chief since most don't have statistics? Also (though not related to the topic) When should the 2012 Cup article be started? Its a redirect right now. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T00:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"></span>I never liked using a copy of the driver's infobox for the crew chiefs. The sportsperson infobox makes more sense to me. The 2012 article is definitely fine to start. It might be fine for 2013 if it can be written with verifiable content. I don't understand what template you're asking about with the teams. Would you please expand your question? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T13:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z"></span>Okay, so we will begin to use the sportsperson infobox. What I meant to ask is: Should we had each series to the team's infobox, similar to the driver infobox? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T13:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T13:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-29T13:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-07-29T12:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_for_discussion-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_for_discussion-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Template for discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_for_discussion-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z-Template_for_discussion"></span>The template, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_NASCAR_crew_chief&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR crew chief (page does not exist)">Infobox NASCAR crew chief</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is being discussed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_July_27#Template:Infobox_NASCAR_crew_chief" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 July 27">here</a>. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z-Template_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z-Template_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-07-28T04:44:00.000Z-Template_for_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Frank_Cicci_Racing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Frank_Cicci_Racing-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Frank_Cicci_Racing-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z"></span>Frank Cicci Racing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Frank_Cicci_Racing-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Christine_(WMF)-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z-Frank_Cicci_Racing"></span>Hi everyone, I noticed today that the the page for <a href="/wiki/Frank_Cicci_Racing" title="Frank Cicci Racing">Frank Cicci Racing</a> is in pretty bad shape, it has no sources at all and could probably use some attention. I updated the unsourced tag on the page, but didn't want to add it to your to-do right away; I figured one of you would want to take a look at it and figure out where it would fit best in your list/priorities. It looks like it's had a touch of recent vandalism (since reverted), so someone may want to keep an eye on it as well. Just wanted to drop a note here to let you all know, and thank you for the work you all do around these articles! <a href="/wiki/User:Christine_(WMF)" title="User:Christine (WMF)">Christine, Wikimedia Foundation</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christine_(WMF)" title="User talk:Christine (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Christine_(WMF)-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z-Frank_Cicci_Racing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Christine_(WMF)-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z-Frank_Cicci_Racing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Christine_(WMF)-2011-08-16T20:52:00.000Z-Frank_Cicci_Racing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maryeve_Dufault" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maryeve_Dufault-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maryeve_Dufault-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Maryeve_Dufault" title="Maryeve Dufault">Maryeve Dufault</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maryeve_Dufault-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault"></span>I can't believe that her article wasn't created yet and that I got all of you guys with starting her article :P ! It was rough having to research a whole bunch of articles (like Maxim) on this beautiful model! As I expected, the article is already attracting vandalism. So please help me watch it. After work today I'm going straight to stock car races so I won't be able to check it until late tonight. Then I'm leaving for a 1 week vacation tomorrow at this time so I won't be able to watch it much for vandalism which I expect for a model racing in her first NASCAR race in an American series. I may need to protect the article before I leave or you can request semiprotection at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RPP">WP:RPP</a>. I would request several days past when the race gets done and I would mention that if you do need to request protection. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 19 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-20T05:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"></span>I'm not surprised to see it got a bunch of vandalism on it, so I semi-protected it for 1 week to keep out the anonymous and new editors. I was able to convince a photographer to change the license on a great image of her to Creative Commons so I added it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-08-20T05:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-20T05:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-08-20T05:48:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-08-19T11:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_of_state_flagicons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_of_state_flagicons-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_of_state_flagicons-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z"></span>Use of state flagicons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_of_state_flagicons-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z-Use_of_state_flagicons"></span>An editor has questioned the use of state flagions in articles such as <a href="/wiki/5-hour_Energy_200" title="5-hour Energy 200">5-hour Energy 200</a>. You are welcome to express any views you may have in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Icons#State_flagicons_in_use_in_racing_templates_to_represent_drivers" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons">the discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z-Use_of_state_flagicons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z-Use_of_state_flagicons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2011-09-15T02:36:00.000Z-Use_of_state_flagicons"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"><span id="Lists_of_wins_in_drivers.27_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"></span>Lists of wins in drivers' articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles"></span>An IP editor has been adding lists of wins to driver's articles, including changing the "wins by track" in <a href="/wiki/Kevin_Harvick" title="Kevin Harvick">Kevin Harvick</a> with a table of individual wins, and adding a large table to <a href="/wiki/Ron_Hornaday" class="mw-disambig" title="Ron Hornaday">Ron Hornaday</a> with all 50 of his Truck Series wins. I removed it from both articles as unnecessary detail, but it's been readded to the article in the latter case. While I applaud the effort, this honestly seems a little <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRUFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRUFT">crufty</a> - does the project have an opinion on this yea/nay? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z-Lists_of_wins_in_drivers'_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"></span>Now an editor is repeatedly re-adding tables of win lists to <a href="/wiki/Juan_Pablo_Montoya" title="Juan Pablo Montoya">Juan Pablo Montoya</a>. I'm reverting them per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#STATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">WP:NOT#STATS</a> but would appreciate more eyes on the article, and/or dissenting opinions if these are in fact felt valuable to the project. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-04T23:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z"></span>If the user remains to do so leave a message at their talk page. You may also want to give a warning. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T19:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z"></span>I posted a notice on his talk page - but he added the info to Montoya's article again. I'm now at 3 reverts there so I'm unwatchlisting it for now - I referred him to the talk page, here, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> in my last edit summary. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 11 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-11T19:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T22:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z"></span>And he's reinserted them again. I've left notes on the article talk page and a note on his talk page to please discuss, since he ignored the edit-summary note. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T22:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T22:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T22:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-11T20:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Darlington_Record_Club" data-mw-thread-id="h-Darlington_Record_Club-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Darlington_Record_Club-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Darlington Record Club<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Darlington_Record_Club-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z-Darlington_Record_Club"></span>I added a new article, <a href="/wiki/Darlington_Record_Club" title="Darlington Record Club">Darlington Record Club</a>, once a very prestigious honor in NASCAR. I noticed that several articles (particularly the older drivers) have "Darlington Record Club" mentioned in their bios as an achievement. It would be helpful for the link to the award to now be added wherever it's mentioned. <a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z-Darlington_Record_Club" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z-Darlington_Record_Club"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z-Darlington_Record_Club"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Nice work! Could you add inline citations though? That would make a nice DYK... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2011-10-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z"></span>Good job. Thank you for creating the article. I second, The Bushranger's idea on adding inline citations to make a DYK. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-10-07T17:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-08T01:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z"></span>I'm working on a little more right now. It would be nice to be a DYK. <a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2011-10-08T01:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-08T01:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2011-10-08T01:54:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-10-07T19:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Proposed change to NASCAR driver infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox"></span>An editor has proposed modifying the NASCAR driver infobox to allow the driver's name to be hidden (e.g. for the case where a driver has multiple infoboxes). Please add any views you may have on the matter at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_NASCAR_driver#Infobox_title" title="Template talk:Infobox NASCAR driver">the discussion</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 28 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2011-10-28T08:33:00.000Z-Proposed_change_to_NASCAR_driver_infobox"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Race_report_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Race_report_template-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Race_report_template-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"></span>Race report template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Race_report_template-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z-Race_report_template"></span>I've noticed of an editor adding a section for the last place finisher for <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race_report" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR race report">Template:Infobox NASCAR race report</a>. Is it actually notable enough to be listed in the template. One article having it in the info box is <a href="/wiki/1975_Champion_Spark_Plug_400" title="1975 Champion Spark Plug 400">1975 Champion Spark Plug 400</a>. All opinions are welcomed. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z-Race_report_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z-Race_report_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z-Race_report_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"></span>No; it's not hardly notable. Finishing last is no more notable than finishing 11th, 25th or 50th. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-13T23:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z"></span>I like to believe that for every great race winner in NASCAR, there is also a great race loser. That's why we need to cover the last place driver in addition to the driver that wins the race. <a href="/wiki/User:GVnayR" title="User:GVnayR">GVnayR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GVnayR" title="User talk:GVnayR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T01:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z"></span>What about the second place driver? He's the "first loser". And then you have <a href="/wiki/Start_and_park" title="Start and park">start and parkers</a>...personal belief doesn't make the non-notable notable. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 14 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z"></span>It's usually a start and parker that finishes in last place. Besides, I feel sympathetic towards the last place driver ever since Joe Nemechek had his slump a couple of years ago and I started reading Brock Beard's LASTCAR blog. <a href="/wiki/User:GVnayR" title="User:GVnayR">GVnayR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GVnayR" title="User talk:GVnayR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-11-14T02:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z"></span>The last place finisher isn't much different than anyone else during the race, does that mean we should include 2-42 as well? No. I believe only the winner (since NASCAR doesn't have podiums) should be listed in the info box. Most of the newer articles 43rd is listed in the results table. Furthermore, would this be too much in an infobox (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTSTATS">WP:NOTSTATS</a>)? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z-GVnayR-2011-11-14T02:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z"></span>I oppose. Why give special mention to the worst of the start and parks? Ideally the race articles will include the finishing position of entire field. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-11-14T02:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NEXTEL_Cup_change" data-mw-thread-id="h-NEXTEL_Cup_change-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NEXTEL_Cup_change-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span>NEXTEL Cup change<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NEXTEL_Cup_change-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z-NEXTEL_Cup_change"></span>A lot of articles still link to <a href="/wiki/NEXTEL_Cup" class="mw-redirect" title="NEXTEL Cup">NEXTEL Cup</a>, which is now a redirect to the <a href="/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Sprint Cup Series">Sprint Cup Series</a>. Do you think someone should ask somebody to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests" title="Wikipedia:Bot requests">run a Wikipedia robot</a> to change all of these references from NEXTEL Cup to Sprint Cup Series? The list is here: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/NEXTEL_Cup">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/NEXTEL_Cup</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Guroadrunner" title="User:Guroadrunner">Guroadrunner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guroadrunner" title="User talk:Guroadrunner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z-NEXTEL_Cup_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z-NEXTEL_Cup_change"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z-NEXTEL_Cup_change"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span>Probably not a good idea to do this as suggested on the move instructions. Here's why. Check out the <a href="/wiki/Rusty_Wallace" title="Rusty Wallace">Rusty Wallace</a> article. When he raced in the series, it was called the NEXTEL Cup which is how it should be referred to in his article since that was the name when he retired. On the first mention, I'd use the form NEXTEL Cup (now <a href="/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Sprint Cup Series">Sprint Cup Series</a>). See <a href="/wiki/Alan_Kulwicki" title="Alan Kulwicki">Alan Kulwicki</a> - first paragraph of the lead section It's much better if someone goes through these manually (even the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AWB">AWB</a> won't do very well). For the drivers who went from NEXTEL Cup to Sprint Cup, then the series' name change should be a sentence in the text. There's between 100 and 200 articles / pages to change. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z-Guroadrunner-2011-12-01T10:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-03T08:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the comments on this. This is why I wanted to be sure to ask, becuase Winston Cup Series could easily be put under the same issue (numerous people argued <a href="/wiki/Ray_Elder" title="Ray Elder">Ray Elder</a> never raced in the current name of the Winston West series in the NASCAR.com comments section, for example.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Guroadrunner" title="User:Guroadrunner">Guroadrunner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guroadrunner" title="User talk:Guroadrunner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-03T08:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 3 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-03T08:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guroadrunner-2011-12-03T08:40:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-02T06:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Table_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Table_links-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Table_links-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"></span>Table links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Table_links-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z-Table_links"></span>Me and a fellow user have different opinions on table links. The other user, Nascarking, believes that there should be no repeated links in tables. However, I have since I was told to while trying to edit an article to Good Article status. The most recent changes were on <a href="/wiki/2012_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series" title="2012 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series">2012 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series</a>. Many of the articles I have significantly contributed to have repeated links. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REPEATLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REPEATLINK">WP:REPEATLINK</a>, which is rather confusing on the subject, states, "<i>Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, and at the first occurrence after the lead.</i>" Does that mean no repeated links or the opposite? Any other opinions? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z-Table_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z-Table_links"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z-Table_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"></span>It means that in general, links should not be repeated, unless the repeated links are helpful. I find repeated links in tables to be helpful, because you can navigate to the target of the link from where you are in the table. If links aren't repeated, you might have to scroll back a long way to find the link, thereby losing your context. I believe <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LINK">WP:LINK</a> used to say "Each row of a table should be able to stand on it's own", but it doesn't seem to say that any more. As an aside, the Formula One WikiProject has a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One/Conventions#Genera" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Conventions">convention</a> for <i>all</i> instances of constructor and engine names to be linked in race result tables (i.e. for the links to be repeated). <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-08T03:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z"></span>I also believe the links are helpful, most definitely on the longer tables. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z-DH85868993-2011-12-09T02:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z"></span>Also agreed on usefulness here. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 10 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-09T11:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-11T03:21:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z"></span>I agree -- they're useful in tables and that's how I've been normally seeing them done lately. One of many philosophical changes that I've seen go around in circles since I've been helping at Wikipedia. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-11T03:21:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-11T03:21:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-11T03:21:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-10T03:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Flag_Icons" data-mw-thread-id="h-Flag_Icons-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Flag_Icons-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Flag Icons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Flag_Icons-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z-Flag_Icons"></span>I can imagine there's been a convention on state flags and I don't know if there's been a discussion on this but I wanna throw out the idea of using National flag i.e. <span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States"><img alt="United States" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/46px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/></a></span></span> <span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Canada" title="Canada"><img alt="Canada" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/35px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/46px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></span> <span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Mexico" title="Mexico"><img alt="Mexico" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Flag_of_Mexico.svg/23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="13" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Flag_of_Mexico.svg/35px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Flag_of_Mexico.svg/46px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="980" data-file-height="560"/></a></span></span> and so on. I know half the articles would just have US flags but considering that other racing articles use National flags (like <a href="/wiki/24_Hours_of_Daytona" title="24 Hours of Daytona">Rolex 24 at Daytona</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners" title="List of 24 Hours of Le Mans winners">24 Hours of Le Mans</a> and even the <a href="/wiki/List_of_Indianapolis_500_winners" title="List of Indianapolis 500 winners">Indianapolis 500</a>), we should apply this to NASCAR articles.--<a href="/wiki/User:Nascarking" title="User:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#000000;">Daytona</span></b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascarking" title="User talk:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#556B2F;"><small>500</small></span></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z-Flag_Icons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z-Flag_Icons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z-Flag_Icons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span>I oppose. Flagicons have no purpose for being in any of the NASCAR articles. I know of two instances that the flag icons were discussed and the result was to remove them. The reader could always go to the driver's article to see their nationality. Since many of the race winners have been from the US, it's better to leave a note saying that the driver was not from the US. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z"></span>Half the winners of the Indy 500 have been <span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States"><img alt="United States" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/46px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/></a></span></span> but they still use <span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States"><img alt="United States" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/35px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/46px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1235" data-file-height="650"/></a></span></span> on the list of Indy 500 winners.--<a href="/wiki/User:Nascarking" title="User:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#000000;">Daytona</span></b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascarking" title="User talk:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#556B2F;"><small>500</small></span></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T03:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T20:14:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Half compared to all except one? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T20:14:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T20:14:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-14T20:14:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-14T14:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2011-12-14T13:00:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span>No, I don't think flagicons are necessary in NASCAR articles owing to the lack of international flair the series have. I mean, out of the three main series fields', we only have <a href="/wiki/Juan_Pablo_Montoya" title="Juan Pablo Montoya">Monty</a>, <a href="/wiki/Marcos_Ambrose" title="Marcos Ambrose">Ambrose</a>, <a href="/wiki/Max_Papis" title="Max Papis">Papis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ron_Fellows" title="Ron Fellows">Fellows</a>, <a href="/wiki/J._R._Fitzpatrick" title="J. R. Fitzpatrick">Fitzpatrick</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nelson_Piquet,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Nelson Piquet, Jr.">Piquet</a>, <a href="/wiki/Miguel_Paludo" title="Miguel Paludo">Paludo</a>, and the hose of Canadians who take normally only part in the Montréal race. IndyCar is different in two facts: 1. The 500 was part of the F1 championship for ten years; 2. There is quite an international flair in it these days with two-thirds of the field not being American. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2011-12-14T13:00:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2011-12-14T13:00:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2011-12-14T13:00:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Strong Oppose</b> This is not acceptable per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Avoid_flag_icons_in_infoboxes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)">Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Avoid flag icons in infoboxes</a>. This was just discussed and it's probably in the last archive. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z-Nascarking-2011-12-12T21:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z"></span>I think we are talking about in tables, not info boxes. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-15T00:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-19T05:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z"></span>You're right, Nascar1996, but I still strongly oppose per the next section up in the Manual of Style (icon). The flags don't convey special meaning; they are just there for decoration. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-19T05:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-19T05:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-19T05:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-15T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Car_number_and_team" data-mw-thread-id="h-Car_number_and_team-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Car_number_and_team-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"></span>Car number and team<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Car_number_and_team-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z-Car_number_and_team"></span>Our project has many different ways to put the car number and team in the biography infobox. Should we just decide on one so all the articles can be consistant? There are <code>#51 - Phoenix Racing</code>, <code>#51 Phoenix Racing Chevrolet</code> and <code>No. 51 - Phoenix Racing</code>. I'm more in favor of something similar to <code>No. 51 (Phoenix Racing)</code>. Any other ideas? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z-Car_number_and_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z-Car_number_and_team"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z-Car_number_and_team"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"></span>There probably should be a standard. I'd actually prefer something along the lines of "#51 (Phoenix Racing)", the "No." avoids the need for nowiki tags but just looks odd to my eye. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-23T14:29:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z"></span>I would prefer No. instead of #. Some of the season pages use 'No' on top of the tables for car number. Another use for 'No' is on the tables on race reports. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2011-12-23T22:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z"></span>I prefer the same as Bushranger. Too bad it's harder for anons but oh well. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2011-12-26T17:39:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z"></span>Doesn't <a href="/wiki/MOS:NUMBERSIGN" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:NUMBERSIGN">MOS:NUMBERSIGN</a> show that # would be incorrect while No. would be correct? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2011-12-30T02:25:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z"></span>Obviously the MOS wins this discussion. I don't like "Number" so "No." is how I think it should be done. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-03T02:54:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z"></span>I don't suppose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> (with a dash of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a>) would allow for an exception, though? Everybody that I've seen, including NASCAR itself, seems to use the "#"; using "No." makes it look like things were written by some stuffy old tea-drinking chap in <a href="/wiki/Rupert_Giles" title="Rupert Giles">tweed</a>... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-03T04:02:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nascar.com/news/120106/rstenhousejr-roush-fenway-racing-daytona-500/index.html">this</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nationwide.nascar.com/nationwide-series/news/120106/rwr-rusty-wallace-racing-will-not-field-cars-in-2012-closes/index.html">this</a>, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nascar.com/news/111222/kbusch-to-drive-51-car-for-phoenix-racing-2012-james-finch/index.html">this</a> from NASCAR.COM all use No. instead of #. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/7425391/nascar-aric-almirola-lands-ride-life">This article</a> from ESPN also uses No. instead of #. Since they are all big websites for NASCAR, shouldn't we use No.? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T17:39:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z"></span>Common name doesn't apply when it is not actually a name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-08T20:17:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T20:32:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z"></span>Huh, didn't realise they used it. Ah well. I'll grudingly make No. more complaints. =P - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T20:32:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T20:32:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T20:32:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T20:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"></span>List of Foreign NASCAR race winners<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners"></span>Is there a good reason for keep this article? <a href="/wiki/List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Foreign NASCAR race winners">List of Foreign NASCAR race winners</a>. Considering the previous deletion of List of Chevrolet NASCAR wins and its friends based on it was a stats fork. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z-List_of_Foreign_NASCAR_race_winners"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"></span>I personally believe it's a notable-enough topic for an article (full disclaimer: I was asked about it and encouraged its creation). - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T02:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z"></span>Based on current status notability is not established. There should be some form of referenced explanation as to why this is a significant table. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-08T04:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z"></span>I also think it's a notable topic. I'm sure more references can be found. One thing needed to improve on the article is that it uses national flags to convey the country of the person which isn't the right way to do it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-01-08T07:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-09T08:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z"></span>One of many examples of inappropriate use of tables. Prose could easily cover the topic and it would be easier to reference and establish notability. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-01-09T08:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-01-09T08:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-01-09T08:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T02:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z"><span id="Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Notability of <a href="/wiki/ASA_Midwest_Tour" class="mw-redirect" title="ASA Midwest Tour">ASA Midwest Tour</a> race reports?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span>I came across several race report articles for the <a href="/wiki/ASA_Midwest_Tour" class="mw-redirect" title="ASA Midwest Tour">ASA Midwest Tour</a> - the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons, and most of the 2009 season. Considering that even the <a href="/wiki/Nationwide_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Nationwide Series">Nationwide Series</a> and Truck series don't have individual race reports, are these needed? Should they be merged into season articles, or even into the main series article? <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-09T03:25:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span><style 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0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Full list of articles</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/2007_9th_Annual_Appleton_Memorial/Echo_Power_Blower_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 9th Annual Appleton Memorial/Echo Power Blower 100">2007 9th Annual Appleton Memorial/Echo Power Blower 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Back_Home_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Back Home 100">2007 Back Home 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Echo_Chain_Saw/Five_Star_Race_Car_Bodies_No_Bull_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Echo Chain Saw/Five Star Race Car Bodies No Bull 100">2007 Echo Chain Saw/Five Star Race Car Bodies No Bull 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Elko_125" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Elko 125">2007 Elko 125</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Factory_Motor_Parts_150" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Factory Motor Parts 150">2007 Factory Motor Parts 150</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Independence_Day_Kwik_Trip_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Independence Day Kwik Trip 100">2007 Independence Day Kwik Trip 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Jefferson_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Jefferson 100">2007 Jefferson 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_July_Spectacular_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 July Spectacular 100">2007 July Spectacular 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Keith_Fleck/Miller_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Keith Fleck/Miller 100">2007 Keith Fleck/Miller 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Norway_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Norway 100">2007 Norway 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Oktoberfest_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Oktoberfest 100">2007 Oktoberfest 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2007_Shakopee_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2007 Shakopee 100">2007 Shakopee 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_36th_Annual_Keith_Fleck_Miller_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 36th Annual Keith Fleck Miller 100">2008 36th Annual Keith Fleck Miller 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Echo_Bear_Cat_July_Spectacular_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Echo Bear Cat July Spectacular 100">2008 Echo Bear Cat July Spectacular 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Echo_Chain_Saw_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Echo Chain Saw 100">2008 Echo Chain Saw 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Echo_Power_Blower_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Echo Power Blower 100">2008 Echo Power Blower 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Kim_Parsons_Memorial_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Kim Parsons Memorial 100">2008 Kim Parsons Memorial 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Kwik_Trip_125" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Kwik Trip 125">2008 Kwik Trip 125</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_KwikTrip_Stores_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 KwikTrip Stores 100">2008 KwikTrip Stores 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Labor_Day_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Labor Day 100">2008 Labor Day 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Miller_Lite_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Miller Lite 100">2008 Miller Lite 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Oktoberfest_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Oktoberfest 100">2008 Oktoberfest 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Rasmussen_Group_Twin_75%27s" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Rasmussen Group Twin 75's">2008 Rasmussen Group Twin 75's</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_SCAG_Dixieland_150" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 SCAG Dixieland 150">2008 SCAG Dixieland 150</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Shakopee_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Shakopee 100">2008 Shakopee 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2008_Wisconsin_All-Star_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2008 Wisconsin All-Star 100">2008 Wisconsin All-Star 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_%22Race_For_The_Gold%22_Bronze_125" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 "Race For The Gold" Bronze 125">2009 "Race For The Gold" Bronze 125</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_%22Race_For_The_Gold%22_Silver_125" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 "Race For The Gold" Silver 125">2009 "Race For The Gold" Silver 125</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Keith_Fleck/Miller_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Keith Fleck/Miller 100">2009 Keith Fleck/Miller 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_8th_Annual_Elmer_Musgrave_Memorial_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 8th Annual Elmer Musgrave Memorial 100">2009 8th Annual Elmer Musgrave Memorial 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Dixieland_150" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Dixieland 150">2009 Dixieland 150</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Elko_125_(Spring)" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Elko 125 (Spring)">2009 Elko 125 (Spring)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Joe_Shear_Classic_136_presented_by_ECHO_Chain_Saws" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Joe Shear Classic 136 presented by ECHO Chain Saws">2009 Joe Shear Classic 136 presented by ECHO Chain Saws</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Pride_Of_Iowa_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Pride Of Iowa 100">2009 Pride Of Iowa 100</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/2009_Shakopee_100" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Shakopee 100">2009 Shakopee 100</a></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd>I'd say they should be season articles. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span>I don't have a strong opinion despite what I'm about to write. Playing the <a href="/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate" title="Devil's advocate">Devil's advocate</a>: What's the rationale for deletion / merge? I'm sure that the author could easily provide strong reliable sources from major media outlets to verify the information if given the chance. I saw the articles get slowly added and I had no problem with them. Why not if someone wants to spend the time? Now the time has already been spent. Wouldn't the merged articles be too long anyhow? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z"></span>I would merge the articles to form a season article. Sprint Cup Series race reports are known to have enough notability to be created. However, I know one Truck race that was created after Kyle Busch's incident at Texas (<a href="/wiki/2011_WinStar_World_Casino_350K" title="2011 WinStar World Casino 350K">2011 WinStar World Casino 350K</a>) which may need to be deleted. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-01-09T06:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z"></span>It did get quite a lot of press, and it had an wider effect than just the truck series. <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-09T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-11T06:00:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z"></span>In my opinion, individual races should be allowed for all of the big 3 NASCAR series. There's no question in my mind that there's enough reliable sources on all of them. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-01-11T06:00:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-11T06:00:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-01-11T06:00:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span>To advocate back, Royal, if there are loads of independent, reliable sources waiting to be added to the articles, why hasn't someone added them already? A <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=ASA+Midwest+Tour&oq=ASA+Midwest+Tour&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1681l6840l0l7056l18l18l1l13l14l0l229l621l1.2.1l4l0">Google News search</a> only brings up 4 hits, one is an off-hand mention in an editorial about IndyCar, one is a press release from a driver, one is about a track rescheduling it's date and one is a press release from the series about it's champions (about the season, not any individual race). I think having so many articles on what amounts to a regional, fifth-tier (at best) series borders on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">undue weight</a>, on top of the fact that there doesn't seem to be much third-party coverage of the series. If one were to simply cram all of the information into season articles, yes, they would be too long, but if formatted like all the other season articles wouldn't be any longer than, well, the other season articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-01-10T04:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-09T04:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span>So, it's been nearly a month, and the original author of these pages, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Justingrosser&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Justingrosser (page does not exist)">User:Justingrosser</a>, hasn't responded (he doesn't appear to be very active any more). I'm going to start putting together the season articles, and once they're done, redirect the race articles. Unless there's any objections to that plan? <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-Notability_of_ASA_Midwest_Tour_race_reports?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox_NASCAR_driver" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_NASCAR_driver-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_NASCAR_driver-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Infobox NASCAR driver<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_NASCAR_driver-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z-Infobox_NASCAR_driver"></span>Seeing as it has entries for the Corona Series, is there any way to modify <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NASCAR_driver" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR driver">Infobox NASCAR driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to have a section for Canadian Tire Series stats? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z-Infobox_NASCAR_driver" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z-Infobox_NASCAR_driver"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z-Infobox_NASCAR_driver"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Sure, why not? We have most of the other series in there. We do have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_racing_driver" title="Template:Infobox racing driver">Infobox racing driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, though :P. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z"></span>Yup - but it's not as pretty and doesn't have specific entries for Cup and Busch. ;) (see <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Ranger" title="Andrew Ranger">Andrew Ranger</a> for my motivation). - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T21:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but it does have entries for previous series. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-10T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T22:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Are the wins/top10s/poles numbers appearing off-center in their columns for anyone else? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T00:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span>Yes they are. Someone might have changed <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox" title="Template:Infobox">Infobox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>No one has edited that template. Seems like we have a bigger problem. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T00:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T00:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T00:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span>It might be as a result of the changes that were made to Mediawiki:Common.css to fix <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Alignment_of_infobox_labels" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">this problem</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T00:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z"></span>That is probably the cause. I'll try something. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-01-15T02:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T03:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z"></span>It's working now. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T03:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T03:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-01-15T03:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T02:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span>I've <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">boldly</a> added the NASCAR Canadian Tire Series to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NASCAR_driver" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR driver">Infobox NASCAR driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, as well as fixing what appeared to be a broken part of the Corona Series coding (line 42). I tested it in userspace, and now on <a href="/wiki/Maryeve_Dufault" title="Maryeve Dufault">Maryeve Dufault</a> and <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Ranger" title="Andrew Ranger">Andrew Ranger</a>, and it seems to be working - but if I've broken anything of course revert! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-01-10T21:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z"></span>It looks good, thank you! Long term consensus on the "Last Race" field has always been to just include it for retired drivers since no one spends the time to update each driver after every race. I suppose at some point the Busch and Craftsman field titles should be updated to the current series names. That's an ugly thought! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-02T04:22:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z"></span>I'd say as long as they display the correct titles, leave the parameters as-is. :p And glad to help out. I include the "last race" for drivers who appear to be retired in a <i>series</i> since - for instance - there's little chance of Kurt Busch adding another Truck Series start newer than 2001 anytime soon. ;) - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T03:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z"></span>For the last race field, anons and limited contributors have been adding in occasional races for years and ignore the date on the infobox. So it has consistently been applied inconsistently. The field exists just so people have an idea when a driver raced after they retired. To use your example, Kurt could easily do a one-time truck start and not have anyone update the field. It happened all of the time. I don't think last field should be added for any series on active drivers, except if someone volunteers to update every infobox after every race. Otherwise the information in the infoboxes are consistently wrong and outdated. I'd rather see nothing that something wrong. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-03T04:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z"></span>Well, I've been doing the post-race updates so far, so I might well voluenteer. ;) Drivers who are regulars or semi-regulars shouldn't have the field filled of course, but IMHO it's better to have it filled for drivers who will likely not compete in a series again, and I'd be willing to try and keep up with that. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-03T06:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-04T13:08:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Do I read this right? You are willing to update each driver in all of the NASCAR series after each race? If so, that's incredible! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-04T13:08:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-04T13:08:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-04T13:08:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span>You could create something like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Latest_F1GP" title="Template:Latest F1GP">Latest F1GP</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and put it on the "regular" drivers' pages (c.f. <a href="/wiki/Sebastian_Vettel" title="Sebastian Vettel">Sebastian Vettel</a>). Then you'd only have to edit the part-timers and one-offs. <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-02-04T18:31:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Well, <i>almost</i> all. ;) The way I'm thinking of doing it it, drivers not intended to run in a series in a season would have the "last race" block filled in - but, if they did, over the course of the season, run in that series, I'd come along and remove or update the previous "last race" entry. Drivers running regularly in a series (like, say, <a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie</a>) wouldn't have the field filled at all. However, Spyder's suggestion sounds even better than that - I think I might look into that! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span>And I've created <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Latest_NASCAR_Cup" title="Template:Latest NASCAR Cup">Latest NASCAR Cup</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and tested it on <a href="/wiki/Greg_Biffle" title="Greg Biffle">Greg Biffle</a> - eet vorks! [/MadScientistVoice] So yeah, I'd be willing to take on the Official Updater of the Last Race Infobox title. :) (Not having a life does have its advantages...) - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z"></span>Now created <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Latest_NASCAR_Busch" title="Template:Latest NASCAR Busch">Latest NASCAR Busch</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, tested on <a href="/wiki/Mike_Wallace_(racing_driver)" title="Mike Wallace (racing driver)">Mike Wallace (racing driver)</a>, and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Latest_NASCAR_Truck" title="Template:Latest NASCAR Truck">Latest NASCAR Truck</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, tested on <a href="/wiki/Ty_Dillon" title="Ty Dillon">Ty Dillon</a>. I believe I can do this thing. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-04T21:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span>Sadly it will only work for full-time drivers, not part-time. However, there are not as many drivers as it used to be. Nice job BTW. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:15:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span>I found one minor change the template does on the infobox. Compared with <a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie Johnson</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mike_Wallace_(racing_driver)" title="Mike Wallace (racing driver)">Mike Wallace (racing driver)</a>'s First race, etc is far more spread apart. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T03:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T07:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z"></span>Huh - they look the same to me (Firefox 5.0), maybe it's a browser thing. And thanks. ^_^- <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T07:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T07:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T07:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-05T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_drivers_and_teams" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_drivers_and_teams-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_drivers_and_teams-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"></span>List of drivers and teams<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_drivers_and_teams-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z-List_of_drivers_and_teams"></span>Since we removed the flag icons from race articles, should we go ahead and remove the icons on <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_NASCAR_drivers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of NASCAR drivers (page does not exist)">List of NASCAR drivers</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_former_NASCAR_drivers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of former NASCAR drivers (page does not exist)">List of former NASCAR drivers</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_teams" title="List of NASCAR teams">List of NASCAR teams</a>? What about removing the colors in the back ground of the car numbers? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z-List_of_drivers_and_teams" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z-List_of_drivers_and_teams"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z-List_of_drivers_and_teams"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"></span>Yes to all. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-01-15T17:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maryeve_Dufault_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maryeve_Dufault_2-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maryeve_Dufault_2-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Maryeve_Dufault" title="Maryeve Dufault">Maryeve Dufault</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maryeve_Dufault_2-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault_2"></span>An anonymous contributor, claiming to be her, has been repeatedly inserting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PEACOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PEACOCK">WP:PEACOCK</a> paragraphs of statements into the article "is more than just a pretty face", "Maryeve's exceptional driving talents", etc. I have done enough editing and reverting so I want others to review the changes. Anon has been removing a well sourced statement about winning Miss Hawaiian Tropic which is attributed to the <a href="/wiki/Toledo_Blade" class="mw-redirect" title="Toledo Blade">Toledo Blade</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z-Maryeve_Dufault_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span>I took a look and my prompt reaction: <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Facepalm3.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Facepalm" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Facepalm3.svg/15px-Facepalm3.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Facepalm3.svg/23px-Facepalm3.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Facepalm3.svg/30px-Facepalm3.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="474" data-file-height="607"/></a></span> <b>Facepalm </b>. I've reverted the flock of peacocks and added a note about NPOV to the IP's talk page. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T03:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, I knew it was an easy decision but I needed consensus behind me. It immediately returned. I'm going to attempt to get some discussion going with the anon on the talk page so we can explain why. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T03:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T03:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T03:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-01T02:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T00:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span>They're back and re-inserting the same content into the article, as well as removing infobox content (missing where it was explained that the "position" fields are points, not race finish) - including <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">accusations of bad faith</a> in their edit summaries. I've posted a lenghier note on their talk page trying to head off the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">WP:EW</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">WP:IDHT</a> they're illustrating. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T00:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T00:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-05T00:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-02-01T02:09:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""A_QUESTION..."" data-mw-thread-id="h-"A_QUESTION..."-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"><span id=".22A_QUESTION....22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"A_QUESTION..."-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"></span>"A QUESTION..."<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"A_QUESTION..."-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z-"A_QUESTION...""></span>(With apologies to the <a href="/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever" class="mw-redirect" title="Guardian of Forever">Guardian of Forever</a>.) Should <a href="/wiki/Red_Bull_Racing_Team" title="Red Bull Racing Team">Red Bull Racing Team</a> be left as-is now that the team is defunct - or should it be renamed to <a href="/wiki/BK_Racing" title="BK Racing">BK Racing</a>, as the latter has essentially acquired the former lock, stock and owners' points? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z-"A_QUESTION..."" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z-"A_QUESTION...""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z-"A_QUESTION...""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"></span>I think the two articles should remain separate. They are two different teams with different owners and sponsors. They just bought the left-over equipment from RBRT. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T01:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T02:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z"></span>Fair enough. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T02:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T02:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-15T02:14:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-02-15T02:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cats_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cats_for_deletion-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cats_for_deletion-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z"></span>Cats for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cats_for_deletion-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z-Cats_for_deletion"></span>I have nominated a number of categories related to the project for deletion; the discussion is located <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_18#NASCAR_race_team_categories" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 18">here</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z-Cats_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 18 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z-Cats_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-18T01:25:00.000Z-Cats_for_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_for_deletion-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_for_deletion-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z"></span>Template for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_for_deletion-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z-Template_for_deletion"></span>Since the team is defunct and the navbox was out of date without any "past" information, I've nominated <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Kevin_Harvick_Inc.&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Kevin Harvick Inc. (page does not exist)">Kevin Harvick Inc.</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for deletion. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z-Template_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z-Template_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-21T03:28:00.000Z-Template_for_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_#10_Cup_car" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_#10_Cup_car-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"><span id="The_.2310_Cup_car"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_#10_Cup_car-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"></span>The #10 Cup car<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_#10_Cup_car-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span>Right, this is obviously a bit of a topic recently given the whole "alliance" between Stewart-Haas and Tommy Baldwin. Obviously Danica was signed as a Stewart-Haas driver, however after a little sleuthing this page - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.nascar.com/drivers/list/cup/dps/">http://www.nascar.com/drivers/list/cup/dps/</a> - on the NASCAR website definitely indicates that the #10 is fielded by Tommy Baldwin for both Danica and Reuti. This does go with the details of the points deal to give Danica her guaranteed spot in the 500. Per <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.scenedaily.com/news/articles/sprintcupseries/Danica_Patrick_to_have_guaranteed_Daytona_500_spot_thanks_to_deal_with_Tommy_Baldwin_Racing.html">[4]</a>: </p> <blockquote><p>NASCAR does not allow points to be bought but does allow the transfer of points as long as the original owner maintains a minority ownership stake in the car. Team owner Tommy Baldwin said the car will run all season under the Tommy Baldwin Racing banner, even when Patrick drives it, and insisted the points weren't outright sold. "She's not getting them from anybody – she's driving for Tommy Baldwin Racing," Baldwin said about the points. "Those points are Tommy Baldwin Racing's. They're not hers."</p></blockquote> <p>So, with these details how are we going to handle this across the Wiki in all the tables? Stating TBR on it's own? Having a long, bloated banner mentioning both TBR and SHR, TBR with a abbreviation stating the alliance? <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-29T03:07:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"></span>Basically "<a href="/wiki/Stewart-Haas_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Stewart-Haas Racing">Stewart-Haas Racing</a>/<a href="/wiki/Tommy_Baldwin_Racing" title="Tommy Baldwin Racing">Tommy Baldwin Racing</a>" when referring to the Danica-driven No. 10 (as opposed to the Reutimann-driven races) seems to be the most logical way to handle it. In cases where only one can be used, though, TBR should be, since it is, <i>techncially</i>, Tommy's car even then, just with lots of SHR technical assistiance. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-29T03:07:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-29T03:07:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-02-29T03:07:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-02-29T02:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span>The merger won't exist for 2013 since DP's moving up to Cup with SHR<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-The_#10_Cup_car"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_moves" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_moves-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_moves-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"></span>Article moves<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_moves-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z-Article_moves"></span>Yesterday, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JabMan149&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JabMan149 (page does not exist)">JabMan149</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JabMan149" title="User talk:JabMan149">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JabMan149" title="Special:Contributions/JabMan149">contribs</a>) moved several race articles to their temporary names (such as <a href="/wiki/Wonderful_Pistachios_400" class="mw-redirect" title="Wonderful Pistachios 400">Wonderful Pistachios 400</a> to <a href="/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series_400" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Sprint Cup Series 400">Sprint Cup Series 400</a> and <a href="/wiki/Heluva_Good!_Sour_Cream_Dips_at_The_Glen" class="mw-redirect" title="Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen">Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen</a> to <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series_at_The_Glen" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Sprint Cup Series at The Glen">NASCAR Sprint Cup Series at The Glen</a>). Should an editor revert these changes or wait until they find a sponsor for the race where these moves were unnecessary? Last, the editor also moved <a href="/wiki/Brickyard_400" title="Brickyard 400">Brickyard 400</a> to <a href="/wiki/Crown_Royal_Presents_the_Your_Hero%27s_Name_Here_400_at_the_Brickyard" class="mw-redirect" title="Crown Royal Presents the Your Hero's Name Here 400 at the Brickyard">Crown Royal Presents the Your Hero's Name Here 400 at the Brickyard</a>. Since we even discussed the issue, and wanted to keep its original name should we change the article's name back? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z-Article_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z-Article_moves"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z-Article_moves"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"></span>Revert until the races actually take place. Although even then I still don't see much of a need for sponsors in race names unless it's iconic. Also, definitely revert the Brickyard change, the race is iconic as the Brickyard 400, regardless of current sponsor. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-04-01T04:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-01T10:26:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Done, done, and done. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-01T10:26:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-01T10:26:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-01T10:26:00.000Z-TheChrisD-2012-04-01T10:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hmmm...." data-mw-thread-id="h-Hmmm....-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hmmm....-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"></span>Hmmm....<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hmmm....-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span>Just came across <a href="/wiki/List_of_female_NASCAR_drivers" title="List of female NASCAR drivers">List of female NASCAR drivers</a> this. I'm not entirely sure this is something we need (at the very least, there's a number of issues that jump out at me), thoughts? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z-Hmmm...." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"></span></lurk>. Also I mentioned this thread to <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">User:ZappaOMati</a> as the creator and editor of the article. I think I understand where Bushranger is going with this. I doubt I've been active enough in the project (at least lately) that I can offer a view yet. Question: are there similar lists across other projects? And specifically other sporting projects? (yea, yea .. I know about "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a>" - but I think it relates to consistency across the WP project as a whole.). — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ched Davis">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ched Davis"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T17:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z"></span>That's a good question, I'll have to look around. One thing that really jumped out at me is that the table apparently lumps together Cup, Busch/Nationwide and Trucks (without doing so). It's an intriguing topic, to be sure, and kudos on putting the data together, but I'm not sure this particular attempt doesn't need some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TNT">WP:TNT</a>. :) - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span>When I first looked at it - I thought it was kinda neat; but the more I thought about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTRIVIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTRIVIA">WP:NOTTRIVIA</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE">WP:INDISCRIMINATE</a>) the more I thought your post was relevant. Also, we don't have <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_male_NASCAR_drivers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of male NASCAR drivers (page does not exist)">List of male NASCAR drivers</a> - but that's headed into an area that's kinda spooky. :). I would like to get back to stuff in this project (I have some old stuff related to early years in NASCAR) - and this looked like a good jumping in spot. Are you thinking it (female list) doesn't belong at all? .. Or that the table should be separated into various cats such as Cup, Nationwide, and Trucks? ..... or ... were you thinking of expanding into <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_female_auto-racing_drivers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of female auto-racing drivers (page does not exist)">List of female auto-racing drivers</a> and adding F1, Indy, etc. .... or.... were you thinking of some sort of special note (†) note that indicates female in our current lists? ... or .... LOL ... talk to me buddy. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ched Davis">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ched Davis"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z"></span>I think <a href="/wiki/List_of_female_NASCAR_drivers" title="List of female NASCAR drivers">List of female NASCAR drivers</a> is a valid topic, but as I said this needs the ol' <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TNT">WP:TNT</a> applied. Splitting them between Truck, Cup and Busch would be a good start - as would getting rid of all those colors (ugh) and perhaps also removing the "team" part, instead simply being marked "* - active" or something. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span>Considering the fact that I only had 2 hours to write it before I had to do other stuff, I wouldn't really mind giving it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TNT">WP:TNT</a>, or splitting it. I'll figure out something. <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">Zappa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span>But with the somewhat lack of info, it'd take a while. <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">Zappa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T01:44:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z"></span>I'll see what I can find for refs over the next few days too. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ched Davis">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ched Davis"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T01:44:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T01:44:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T01:44:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T02:18:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span>Before I do anything, maybe we should move this discussion to <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_female_NASCAR_drivers" title="Talk:List of female NASCAR drivers">Talk:List of female NASCAR drivers</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">Zappa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T02:18:00.000Z-Hmmm...." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T02:18:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T02:18:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Well, I just finished separating the stats and drivers, and removed the colors. So what do you guys think? <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">Zappa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z-Hmmm...." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z-Hmmm...."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-18T23:27:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="👍" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/25px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/38px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/50px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Like</b> - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-18T23:27:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-18T23:27:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-18T23:27:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T23:39:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="👍" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/25px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/38px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg/50px-Wikipedia_like_SVG.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Like</b> — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ched Davis">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ched Davis"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T23:39:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T23:39:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-18T23:39:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-04-18T23:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span>Old vandalism: keep an eye out<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out"></span>Some egg on all our faces (including mine, perhaps!) when I saw <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_Biffle&diff=487880341&oldid=487586848">this edit</a> just now where an IP zapped from old <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MADEUP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MADEUP">WP:MADEUP</a> stuff from <a href="/wiki/Greg_Biffle" title="Greg Biffle">Greg Biffle</a>'s bio...that had been in the article since <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_Biffle&oldid=426942485">this edit</a>] last May, and (after a quick Googling) not only proved to be, well, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MADEUP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MADEUP">WP:MADEUP</a> but had also made its way into an article (clearly sourced from Wikipedia) on Skirts 'n Scuffs...oops! Now where'd I leave my glasses... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z-Old_vandalism:_keep_an_eye_out"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span>I'll start watchlisting some of the cup and guys from history. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Ched Davis">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched_Davis" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ched Davis"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched_Davis-2012-04-17T21:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Seminole_Speedway" data-mw-thread-id="h-Seminole_Speedway-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Seminole_Speedway-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Seminole Speedway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Seminole_Speedway-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z-Seminole_Speedway"></span>I've just created <a href="/wiki/Seminole_Speedway" title="Seminole Speedway">an article on this pioneering track</a>, but references - especially for the period of the track's closing - are scarce. Can anyone help out? Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z-Seminole_Speedway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z-Seminole_Speedway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z-Seminole_Speedway"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"></span>There's nothing in my NASCAR book (The Unauthorized NASCAR Fan Guide 1998-99 - Bill Fleischman and Al Pearce). <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 24 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-04-23T23:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z"></span>I've added a source (<i>The History of America's Speedways Past & Present</i>) with dates for the two layouts. <a href="/wiki/User:Spyder_Monkey" title="User:Spyder Monkey">Spyder_Monkey</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spyder_Monkey" title="User talk:Spyder Monkey">Talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-04-24T01:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-24T03:02:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z"></span>Much thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-24T03:02:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-24T03:02:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-24T03:02:00.000Z-Spyder_Monkey-2012-04-24T02:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merger_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merger_proposal-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merger_proposal-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span>Merger proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merger_proposal-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-progressive-subtle, #f5f3ef); color: var(--color-base, inherit); overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #aaa)"> <div class="boilerplate-header"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-31T00:28:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i> <i>A summary of the conclusions reached follows.</i> <dl><dd>The result of this discussion was <b>merge</b> into NASCAR on television and radio. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-05-31T00:28:00.000Z-Merger_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-31T00:28:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-31T00:28:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span>In January, an editor proposed that <a href="/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_races_on_television" class="mw-redirect" title="List of NASCAR races on television">List of NASCAR races on television</a> should be merged into <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_on_television_and_radio" title="NASCAR on television and radio">NASCAR on television and radio</a>. I agree with the proposal because the article lists only five races in the 1960s and it wouldn't be notable to list all the races on broadcast on television since nowadays it is every one of them. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z-Merger_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z-Merger_proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-28T19:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati">Zappa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-28T19:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-28T19:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-28T19:44:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-05-29T03:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-05-29T03:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-05-29T03:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-05-29T03:13:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-29T07:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span>Indeed</b> - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-29T07:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-29T07:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-29T07:31:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-05-28T19:40:00.000Z"></span><div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div></dd></dl> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Major_League" data-mw-thread-id="h-Major_League-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Major_League-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z"></span>Major League<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Major_League-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z-Major_League"></span>Perhaps this may need some attention <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Major_Leagues" title="Template talk:Major Leagues">Template Talk:Major Leagues</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z-Major_League" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z-Major_League"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-05-31T03:03:00.000Z-Major_League"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Query" data-mw-thread-id="h-Query-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Query-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span>Query<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Query-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z-Query"></span>I've managed to scrape together enough information to create a page for the guy with the second most unfortunate name in NASCAR, <a href="/wiki/Robbie_Faggart" title="Robbie Faggart">Robbie Faggart</a>. What I can't do though is find a birthdate for him. Does anyone have this information? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z-Query" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z-Query"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z-Query"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span>I found his date as july 24, 1960. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T06:52:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z"></span>Much thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T06:52:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T06:52:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T06:52:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-05-31T06:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-03T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span>Now a second query: does anyone have a birthdate for <a href="/wiki/Terry_McCarthy_(racing_driver)" title="Terry McCarthy (racing driver)">Terry McCarthy</a>? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-03T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 3 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-03T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-03T22:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span>And can anyone add an Image_size parameter to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_NASCAR_race_report" title="Template:Infobox NASCAR race report">Infobox NASCAR race report</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? Thanks. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-05-31T05:51:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z"></span>It uses <code>|image-size =</code> instead of Image_size, otherwise it is set at 180px. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T03:56:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z"></span>Ahh, gotcha. Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-06T12:24:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span>Sorry, I missed the thread until now. I remember Roggie Faggart - wasn't he mainly a Busch North or Modified Tour driver? I think of the northeast when I think of him. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-12T03:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span>Actually, no - he ran Humpy Wheeler's ill-starred Sportsman Division, a cursed racing series if there ever was one (and apparently one that everyone wants to, perhaps understandably, forget ever existed - it ran from 1989 until 1995, and his 1992 championship is the <i>only</i> series championship I can find anything on at all). - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-12T03:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-12T03:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-12T03:13:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Road_America_Nationwide_race" data-mw-thread-id="h-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span>Road America Nationwide race<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-Road_America_Nationwide_race"></span>Does anyone have any requests? I'll for sure photograph the entire field and hopefully the drivers will stand this year so I can photograph them when they ride for their parade lap before the race (*especially Danica!). I just ordered my tickets. It's a combined event along with the sports car race earlier in the day. Is there any other requests for specific car parts? Other years I photographed a splitter, jet dryer, course workers displaying a blue flag, etc. I'm going to be gone starting Wednesday 6/20 until after the race. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-Road_America_Nationwide_race" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-Road_America_Nationwide_race"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z-Road_America_Nationwide_race"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span>Well, you've already covered some of the "needs". ;) But pics of drivers we don't have pics of (<a href="/wiki/Jason_Bowles" title="Jason Bowles">Jason Bowles</a>, for instance) are always good! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-12T03:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z"></span>Hopefully the drivers will stand for the parade laps before the race like they did <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2010_Bucyrus_200%7C2">years ago</a>. Last year only the veteran drivers stood waving at the fans. The rest sat in the passenger seat where no one could see them. If they stand then I should get a great shot of all drivers. <a href="/wiki/Canon_Rebel_XS" class="mw-redirect" title="Canon Rebel XS">My camera</a> can take 3 photos per second and I'll be pushing it to the max! I took 230 photos in 3 minutes in 2010. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-17T22:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z"></span>Looks like we'll be needing an article on <a href="/wiki/Bill_Prietzel" title="Bill Prietzel">Bill Prietzel</a> soon too! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-18T04:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z"></span>I have many photographs of his Mid American car from over the years. He drove the most impressive / memorable win that I've ever seen in the thousands of features that I've attended. In a 2008 <a href="/wiki/Mid-American_Stock_Car_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Mid-American Stock Car Series">Mid-American Stock Car Series</a> race (versus a <a href="/wiki/Formula_Libre" title="Formula Libre">Formula Libre</a> <a href="/wiki/File:RoadAmericaMixedFieldOctober2008.jpg" title="File:RoadAmericaMixedFieldOctober2008.jpg">field</a> which included NASCAR cars) at Road America, Prietzel spun out and had to start at the back of the pack. It was a 10 laps of green race (40 miles). Prietel was following a car that was so slow that it couldn't catch up to the field during a lap 1 caution. Prietzel and some other cars ended up restarting the race about 1/2 lap (2 miles) behind the field. Prietzel made up the WHOLE distance in just 9 laps (36 miles) for the win <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.midamericanracing.com/article/101210/prietzel-mulcahy-embrace-role-favorites-road-america">[5]</a>. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/royal_broil/2972712489/">My video of the winning pass on the last lap</a>. Please let me upload photos of Prietzel instead of using my flickr photos. His car is on the left on <a href="/wiki/File:MidAmericanStockCarSeriesWisconsinInternationalRacewayAugust2006.jpg" title="File:MidAmericanStockCarSeriesWisconsinInternationalRacewayAugust2006.jpg">this photo</a> but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=56091178@N00&q=Bill%20Prietzel">as you can see</a> I have better. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-18T23:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z"></span>Sure thing. I can't find many sources through Google beyond passing mentions and/or at local events, so you can handle this one start to finish. And that's pretty cool! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-19T04:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z"></span>I got nice photographs of all Nationwide drivers. Not all were looking at me but I did shoot all drivers at hi res 10 megapixel. I'm looking through them now. It will take quite a bit of time to crop all of them and upload them. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-19T04:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Are you planning to upload them here first or Flickr? Either way, I can't wait to see them. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z"></span>I just located and cropped all of the drivers. Both <a href="/wiki/Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)" title="Matt Bell (racing driver)">Matt Bell (racing driver)</a> and <a href="/wiki/T._J._Bell" title="T. J. Bell">T. J. Bell</a> rode in the same truck for driver's introductions. Looking at their drivers suits makes it pretty clear who is who. However, the Wikipedia photo for Matt looks closest to T.J.'s photo. I'm going to upload them based on their driver's suits and let's try to figure it out. I can always rename them at Commons since I'm an admin there. I was saddened to see how stoic Kurt Busch was. He just stared forward emotionless ignoring the crowd. Maybe I'm the only NASCAR fan who don't hate him. I think he's fine. Who else besides <a href="/wiki/Bill_Prietzel" title="Bill Prietzel">Bill Prietzel</a> don't have an article? I know <a href="/wiki/Kyle_Kelley" title="Kyle Kelley">Kyle Kelley</a> is also fairly notable for his road racing experience. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Well, the photo we currently have for Matt is definitly Matt...and hmmm. Prietzel, Kelley, <a href="/wiki/Kenny_Habul" title="Kenny Habul">Kenny Habul</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=John_Young_(racing_driver)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="John Young (racing driver) (page does not exist)">John Young</a>, <a href="/wiki/Josh_Richards" class="mw-disambig" title="Josh Richards">Josh Richards</a>, <a href="/wiki/Matt_Frahm" title="Matt Frahm">Matt Frahm</a> - I think all the rest have pages, although most don't have pics! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T00:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T01:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z"></span>You're right, I'm adding photos from most drivers. Two of those drivers are pretty notable. <a href="/wiki/Josh_Richards" class="mw-disambig" title="Josh Richards">Josh Richards</a> has been a professional driver for a long time on the dirt in the WoO Late Models. <a href="/wiki/Kenny_Habul" title="Kenny Habul">Kenny Habul</a> raced in Formula 3 and he's from Australia. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T01:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T01:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T01:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-06-25T00:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)" data-mw-thread-id="h-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z"><span id="T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_.28racing_driver.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/T._J._Bell" title="T. J. Bell">T. J. Bell</a> versus <a href="/wiki/Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)" title="Matt Bell (racing driver)">Matt Bell (racing driver)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)-Road_America_Nationwide_race-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)"></span>I have added images of both drivers assuming that their jerseys match their cars. Do you guys think that I matched up the drivers correctly? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-25T02:36:00.000Z-T._J._Bell_versus_Matt_Bell_(racing_driver)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"></span>Invitation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z-Invitation"></span>Is it alright with anyone if I create an invitation for this WikiProject? I already tried making one for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago_Bears" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago Bears">WikiProject Chicago Bears</a> (<a href="/wiki/Template:BearsInvite" title="Template:BearsInvite">this one</a>), and I'm thinking of creating one for this project, which currently only has 34 members. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z-Invitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 17 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z-Invitation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z-Invitation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"></span>What do you want to use it for? Who would you invite? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-17T02:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-18T14:32:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z"></span>For question 1: I guess to lighten the workload for some of us, or increase the amount of knowledge of this project; and for question 2: Any user that shows interest in NASCAR-related pages that isn't a member of this project. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-18T14:32:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-18T14:32:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-18T14:32:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-17T05:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello_Everybody!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello_Everybody!-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"><span id="Hello_Everybody.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello_Everybody!-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Hello Everybody!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello_Everybody!-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z-Hello_Everybody!"></span>My name is Jayemd, the newest member of WikiProject NASCAR! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Jayemd" title="User:Jayemd">Jayemd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayemd" title="User talk:Jayemd">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jayemd" title="Special:Contributions/Jayemd">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z-Hello_Everybody!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z-Hello_Everybody!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z-Hello_Everybody!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"></span>Glad to have you aboard! <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z-Jayemd-2012-06-22T20:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z"></span>Welcome aboard! Please feel free to ask us more experienced Wikipedians any questions about anything. I know it was hard to learn what Wikipedians expect - it's much harder now. The biggest advise that I can give is don't upload photographs except if you took them yourself. Otherwise they need to be free use following the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy" title="Wikipedia:Image use policy">image use policy</a> which is complicated. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 24 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-06-22T22:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z"></span>Hello there! Welcome to WikiProject NASCAR! As Royalbroil stated, please feel free to ask us any questions about Wikipedia. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-06-24T02:16:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-06-24T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Things_To_Do" data-mw-thread-id="h-Things_To_Do-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Things_To_Do-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z"></span>Things To Do<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Things_To_Do-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayemd-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z-Things_To_Do"></span>I'll be working on expanding articles, from stub to FA. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jayemd" title="User:Jayemd">Jayemd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayemd" title="User talk:Jayemd">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Jayemd-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z-Things_To_Do" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayemd-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z-Things_To_Do"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayemd-2012-06-25T00:25:00.000Z-Things_To_Do"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rick_Hendrick" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rick_Hendrick-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rick_Hendrick-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Rick Hendrick<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rick_Hendrick-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z-Rick_Hendrick"></span>A few people on <a href="/wiki/Rick_Hendrick" title="Rick Hendrick">Rick Hendrick</a>'s talk page was wondering if something about his son should be added. Since it wasn't <a href="/wiki/Ricky_Hendrick" title="Ricky Hendrick">Ricky Hendrick</a>'s biography I said no because I thought it wasn't notable, but one editor decided to add it <a href="/wiki/Rick_Hendrick#Ricky_Hendrick" title="Rick Hendrick">here</a>. I was just wondering if it should have been added at all, or should there have been little mention of his son, such as, "And is the father of the late Ricky Hendrick?" --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z-Rick_Hendrick" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z-Rick_Hendrick"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z-Rick_Hendrick"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-11T02:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Since Ricky has his own article, I believe <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> applies and have reverted forewith. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-11T02:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-11T02:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-11T02:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-11T02:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2013_seasons" data-mw-thread-id="h-2013_seasons-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2013_seasons-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"></span>2013 seasons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2013_seasons-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span>When should we create the 2013 articles? Silly season has already began, and some race dates have already been released, though their aren't many. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z-2013_seasons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"></span>Can verifiable information be found yet? Definitely yes per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBALL">WP:CBALL</a>. It is easily verified that Kenseth is a free agent for next year for example. I wouldn't do 2014 just yet until verified information is found. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-16T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z"></span>So it can be created now? Not only is Kenseth one of the big names in silly season, but Penske Racing switching to Ford as well. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-16T23:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z"></span>Are there any other information found yet? In my opinion, we could wait until we can get some more news about the other drivers. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-17T00:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-19T05:40:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Speaking of the amount of people already under a contract that extends past 2013, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie Johnson</a> (2015, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://espn.go.com/racing/blog/_/name/blount_terry/id/5151652/hendrick-motorsports-renews-jimmie-johnson-chad-knaus-show-2015">[6]</a>), and that the 2013 Daytona 500 will be ran on February 24, 2013. (Daytona Shootout held on February 16), I'd say it is about time to start it. However, the only reference I could find about the Daytona Shootout race day is at Daytona International Speedway's website. More important information that probably would help with the article are the announcements of the new cars (Ford Fusion, Dodge Charger, Chevrolet SS, Toyota Camry). However, I'm hearing a lot of speculation that there is going to be an announcement about Dodge's future with the sport at Indianapolis in two weeks . The 2013 official racing schedule should be released next month or in September; maybe we should wait until then. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <dl><dd>Looking at CBALL: 1) Are the events expected to happen? Definitely 2) Can verifiable information be found? Yes - Daytona's website is verification proof and it is reliable. You only need about 2 pieces of verifiable information to start an article - not a complete article. Just be careful about speculation - only use if printed by someone reliable (not a blog except if its from a writer for ESPN, NASCAR, Sporting News, Yahoo, etc). I'm sure that you could start an article about 2014 if you wanted to - some driver's contract will be up which would be verifiable. There's no reason to wait for 2013 - just use reliable sources to write it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-07-19T05:40:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-19T05:40:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-19T05:40:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2012-07-17T00:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span>Here is a different question for the 2013 seasons, should we continue to include sponsors in the driver table? It changes so frequently and I'm wondering if it should be removed. I never liked them on the race report articles, and now [somehow] we agreed to remove them. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z-2013_seasons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z"></span>I'd say to have it zapped - given the merry-go-round of sponsorship these days, full-season deals are now the exception, not the rule. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-21T21:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z"></span>Right now, I'm creating the article in my <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nascar1996/sandbox/3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nascar1996/sandbox/3 (page does not exist)">sandbox</a>. I still have some things I'll have to add such as the new cars, but there is the driver's table and the only confirmed races so far. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-07-21T22:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z"></span>I think that team sponsors aren't relevant for season articles. But I know that American motorsport is very different from European and South American motorsport, so I don't complain that much. --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2012-07-24T20:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z"></span>It looks better without the sponsors - like several of you said it changes too rapidly now not like a few years ago. The article good enough to publish once you add a little text. Except if you want to really flesh it out and do a DYK. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z-NaBUru38-2012-07-25T16:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z"></span>I think we should wait till <a href="/wiki/NASCAR" title="NASCAR">NASCAR</a> releases the schedule for 2013 before we create next seasons article.--<a href="/wiki/User:Nascarking" title="User:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#000000;">Daytona</span></b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascarking" title="User talk:Nascarking"><i><b><span style="font-family:century gothic; color:#556B2F;"><small>500</small></span></b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-07-28T12:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-29T04:44:00.000Z-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span>Looks like I have finished expanding the article, but it only has 245 words and 30 references. If anyone would read over it and make sure there is any problems and nothing is missing from the article it would be well appreciated. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-07-29T04:44:00.000Z-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-29T04:44:00.000Z-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-07-29T04:44:00.000Z-Nascarking-2012-07-28T21:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span>There's a similar deletion discussion about a 2014 article at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2014_International_V8_Supercars_Championship" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 International V8 Supercars Championship">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 International V8 Supercars Championship</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z-2013_seasons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-08-04T15:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span>Yeah 2014 is a little too far away. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-08-04T15:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 4 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-08-04T15:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-08-04T15:27:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-04T05:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:18:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span>There are only six-seven full season sponsors, so would not listing sponsors N'Wide and Trucks as well, given alot of their drivers have multiple sponsorships throughout a season. Why would this not apply to IndyCar? I put a reference that Mears had a 2012 and beyond contract. Granted that the Kenseth/Gibbs announcement is coming tomorrow @ 1, and the Logano/Penske one most likely this same week, you should lock down the page (if you haven't already.) The big mystery in this one is if Sam's coming up to Cup with Alliance Truck Parts.<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:18:00.000Z-2013_seasons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:18:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:18:00.000Z-2013_seasons"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="note:" data-mw-thread-id="h-note:-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-note:-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"></span>note:<span data-mw-comment-end="h-note:-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-note:"></span>I've been working on <a href="/wiki/1961_Daytona_500" title="1961 Daytona 500">1961 Daytona 500</a>, and while I intend to do a lot more with it, it's getting close to the "5 day" thing as far as expansion for dyk. If someone wants to do something as far as dyk goes, I'm fine with that - although I'm more interested in building the article which may take me another week or so. I haven't added any pics, or results for either the qualifiers or the 500 yet. I also haven't finished going through more refs at: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chedzilla/sandbox#1961_Daytona_500">my sandbox</a>. I'm just dropping a note in case someone here wants a dyk for the project. <a href="/wiki/User:Chedzilla" title="User:Chedzilla">Chedzilla</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chedzilla" title="User talk:Chedzilla">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-note:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-note:"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-note:"></span></p><s></s><dl><s></s><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:55:00.000Z-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"></span>OK .. did a quick add of top 10 for the 500 .. will build full table later. prolly needs wiki links added too. I'm done for a while .. sorry if I caused an ec with ya Zappa.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Chedzilla" title="User:Chedzilla">Chedzilla</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chedzilla" title="User talk:Chedzilla">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:55:00.000Z-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:55:00.000Z-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:55:00.000Z-Chedzilla-2012-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="General_updates" data-mw-thread-id="h-General_updates-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_updates-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z"></span>General updates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_updates-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-General_updates"></span>There are a good chunk of Sprint Cup drivers who need their main images updated for at least the current year or last year. Example: we're using Joe Nemechek's picture from 2005 or so, and he's grown a beard since then. Some of the drivers of course are Tony Stewart, Ryan Newman, Jamie McMurray, Kasey Kahne, Dave Blaney. Other drivers need some images on their profiles. Matt Kenseth's is what I'd call a NASCAR driver's page standard, containing biographical information, pictures of them throughout their racing career, perhaps a few shots in press conferences. So I'm just looking to see how we could update the drivers images. Also, <a href="/wiki/Kelley_Earnhardt_Miller" title="Kelley Earnhardt Miller">Kelley Earnhardt Miller</a> seriously needs her own page, she's a ex-driver and has a pretty notable career with JRM. </p><p>Also, I've tried to keep all the driver stats up to date. Some of them have said "He will join x team for the 2009 season." I think I got most of them, but I'll keep checking around. We should also lock down Kenseth, Logano, and Hornish's pages for the week since the Kenseth Gibbs announement is tomorrow, and most likely the Logano to Penske one on the same day. Also a good choice of lockdown is Elliot Sadler's since there's a weird rumor about him going to Gibbs and leaving RCR...which opens up more plotholes in the N'Wide series. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-General_updates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-General_updates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T00:48:00.000Z-General_updates"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="template" data-mw-thread-id="h-template-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-template-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z"></span>template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-template-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z-template"></span>I noticed an issue with one of our templates. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Motorsport_season">this one</a>. The problem is that when we're in the "Grand National" era, the link leads to the horse related <a href="/wiki/Grand_National" title="Grand National">Grand National</a>. (seen at: <a href="/wiki/1970_NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" title="1970 NASCAR Grand National Series">1970 NASCAR Grand National Series</a> and others) I've copied the code for the template to my sandbox, and I'll try to figure it out - but it may take some time, and it's not on my high priority list. If any of you guys or gals are good with templates .. suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Chedzilla" title="User:Chedzilla">Chedzilla</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chedzilla" title="User talk:Chedzilla">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z-template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z-template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T07:36:00.000Z-template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z-template"></span>No changes are required to the template, just a change to the call. You've got several options, depending how you want the template to appear:</dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>This </th> <th>produces </th></tr> <tr> <td>{{Motorsport season | series = Grand National Series | link = in NASCAR | year = 1970 }} </td> <td><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239335705">.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav{margin:auto;width:min-content;text-align:center;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;background-color:#f8f9fa;padding:0.5em;font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-header,.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-subheader{border-bottom:1px #aaa solid;padding:0 1em}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-header{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-body{display:flex;align-items:flex-start}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-label,.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-links{flex:1 1 auto;padding:0.2em 0.1em}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-label{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-label:after{content:":"}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-links+.motorsport-season-nav-label{flex-grow:0}.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav-links{text-align:left}@media only screen and (min-width:769px){.mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav{float:right;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em;min-width:19em}}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav{background:transparent}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .motorsport-season-nav{background:transparent}}</style> <div role="navigation" aria-labelledby="1970-Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav vevent"> <div id="1970-Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav-header summary"><span class="dtstart">1970</span> <a href="/wiki/Grand_National_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand National Series">Grand National Series</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-body"> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Previous</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1969_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1969 in NASCAR">1969</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Next</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1971_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1971 in NASCAR">1971</a></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td>{{Motorsport season | title = [[Grand National Series]] | link = in NASCAR | year = 1970 }} </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239335705"> <div role="navigation" aria-labelledby="1970-Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav vevent"> <div id="1970-Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav-header summary"><span class="dtstart">1970</span> <a href="/wiki/Grand_National_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand National Series">Grand National Series</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-body"> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Previous</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1969_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1969 in NASCAR">1969</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Next</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1971_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1971 in NASCAR">1971</a></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td>{{Motorsport season | title = NASCAR [[Grand National Series]] | link = in NASCAR | year = 1970 }} </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239335705"> <div role="navigation" aria-labelledby="1970-NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav vevent"> <div id="1970-NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav-header summary"><span class="dtstart">1970</span> NASCAR <a href="/wiki/Grand_National_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand National Series">Grand National Series</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-body"> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Previous</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1969_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1969 in NASCAR">1969</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Next</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1971_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1971 in NASCAR">1971</a></div> </div></div> </td></tr> <tr> <td>{{Motorsport season | title = [[Grand National Series|NASCAR Grand National Series]] | link = in NASCAR | year = 1970 }} </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239335705"> <div role="navigation" aria-labelledby="1970-NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav vevent"> <div id="1970-NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" class="motorsport-season-nav-header summary"><span class="dtstart">1970</span> <a href="/wiki/Grand_National_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand National Series">NASCAR Grand National Series</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-body"> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Previous</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1969_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1969 in NASCAR">1969</a></div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-label">Next</div> <div class="motorsport-season-nav-links"><a href="/wiki/1971_in_NASCAR" class="mw-redirect" title="1971 in NASCAR">1971</a></div> </div></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z-template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z-template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z-template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T10:50:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z"></span>thank you very much DH .. I just may be asking for some template help in the future. Good deal .. ty. <a href="/wiki/User:Chedzilla" title="User:Chedzilla">Chedzilla</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chedzilla" title="User talk:Chedzilla">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T10:50:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T10:50:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chedzilla-2012-07-29T10:50:00.000Z-DH85868993-2012-07-29T08:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ARCA_at_MIS" data-mw-thread-id="h-ARCA_at_MIS-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ARCA_at_MIS-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"></span>ARCA at MIS<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ARCA_at_MIS-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z-ARCA_at_MIS"></span>I'm hoping to go to the ARCA race at <a href="/wiki/Madison_International_Speedway" title="Madison International Speedway">Madison International Speedway</a> on Sunday afternoon (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.madisoninternationalspeedway.com/front-page/arca-comes-to-mis-heres-everything-you-need-to-know.html">info</a>). I'll try to be there for the autographs session to photograph some of the drivers, especially Kimmel, Chase Elliot, and James Hylton. Plus I'll photograph the cars. Does anyone have any other requests? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z-ARCA_at_MIS" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z-ARCA_at_MIS"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z-ARCA_at_MIS"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"></span>I'm envious. ARCA always puts on a good show! And we're certainly long overdue for a picture of Frank. Hm...checking the entry list, any chance you could try to get pix of Chris Buescher, Tom Hessert and <a href="/wiki/Milka_Duno" title="Milka Duno">Milka Duno</a> in particular? (Of course, the more drivers you can get in total the better! <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>) And have fun! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-23T12:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z"></span>Whoa, I didn't know that Milka Duno moved to ARCA! And I didn't know that she had modeled. My camera <a href="/wiki/File:Continental_Tire_Series_Girls_1_Road_America_2012_cropped.jpg" title="File:Continental Tire Series Girls 1 Road America 2012 cropped.jpg">LOVES</a> <a href="/wiki/File:Danica_Patrick_7_2012_Road_America_Sargento_200.jpg" title="File:Danica Patrick 7 2012 Road America Sargento 200.jpg">models</a>! The drivers should be accessible during their autograph session. I hope to photograph all of the drivers. I for sure can photograph their cars <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/royal_broil/6027626097/">over the fence with my telephoto</a>. I'll try to get a photo of the field if possible. I've never been to an ARCA show before as it's the second time that they've come to Wisconsin in decades. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-23T18:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z"></span>Heh. <abbr title="Winking face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/18px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/27px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/36px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> (BTW, I updated the article - Milka's in the 94 now). ARCA definitly needs some Wikilove! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-24T05:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span>Major rain was in the area so I decided to not drive for hours to get there. They delayed the start to dry the track and it would have been too late on a Sunday evening. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-24T05:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-27T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z"></span>Shame. Ah well, there's always next year! - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-27T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-27T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-27T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_regarding_a_category..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_regarding_a_category...-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_regarding_a_category...-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"></span>Question regarding a category...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_regarding_a_category...-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z-Question_regarding_a_category..."></span>Is <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:NASCAR_Rookies_of_the_Year&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:NASCAR Rookies of the Year (page does not exist)">Category:NASCAR Rookies of the Year</a> really necessary? It seems to me that it does the same thing as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:NASCARROTY" title="Template:NASCARROTY">NASCARROTY</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, just not as well. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z-Question_regarding_a_category..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z-Question_regarding_a_category..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z-Question_regarding_a_category..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"></span>Neutral: It being a defining characteristic is marginal in my opinion. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-26T05:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z"></span>Sent it to CfD <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_August_31#Category:NASCAR_Rookies_of_the_Year" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 31">here</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:54:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2012-08-27T01:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Team_charts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Team_charts-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Team_charts-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"></span>Team charts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Team_charts-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span>What's going on with thr Sprint Cup drivers charts? --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z-Team_charts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 30 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"></span>What do you mean? - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-30T13:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z"></span>Compare: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series&oldid=509939947">[7]</a> and <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_NASCAR_Sprint_Cup_Series&oldid=495182125">[8]</a>. CS-Wolves has been reverting the changes to the 2011 page, but it's happenning on earlier pages to. IP completely changing the format, including those not so great coloured race number boxes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T00:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Aiiiiii, my eyes! No idea but those absolutely are no-good compared to the previous versions. I'm reverting them all - if he keeps it up they may need to be protected... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-08-31T04:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z"></span>I restored everything back to 2004 before the IP got to it - he's also gotten <s>2001, 2002, 2003, and 1998, at least</s>every previous season back to 1990. Some of the changes <i>do</i> appear to be constructive - for instance, adding <a href="/wiki/Kenny_Wallace" title="Kenny Wallace">Kenny Wallace</a> to the #1 car for 2001 - but there's so much format-breaking otherwise that sorting the wheat from the chaff is nearly impossible. v.v - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:44:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-08-31T05:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cs-wolves-2012-09-13T18:13:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span>It would appear that the IP has now signed up as <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jlagasse790&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jlagasse790 (page does not exist)">Jlagasse790</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlagasse790" title="User talk:Jlagasse790">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jlagasse790" title="Special:Contributions/Jlagasse790">contribs</a>). Still unconvinced by the edits being made by that user, so have reverted. But yeah, <i>just a heads up</i>. <span style="font-family:Calluna;"><a href="/wiki/User:Cs-wolves" title="User:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:black;background:gold">Craig</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cs-wolves" title="User talk:Cs-wolves"><span style="color:gold;background:#001054">(talk)</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Cs-wolves-2012-09-13T18:13:00.000Z-Team_charts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cs-wolves-2012-09-13T18:13:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cs-wolves-2012-09-13T18:13:00.000Z-Team_charts"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nuisance_IP_editor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nuisance_IP_editor-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nuisance_IP_editor-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"></span>Nuisance IP editor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nuisance_IP_editor-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:65.41.182.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:65.41.182.140 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z-Nuisance_IP_editor"></span>User:65.41.182.140</a> is going through and making nuisance edits to a whole bunch of article that I don't have the time to track down and repair - someone may want to help with fix? --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z-Nuisance_IP_editor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z-Nuisance_IP_editor"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z-Nuisance_IP_editor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-03T16:15:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"></span>I reverted the rest of the edits. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-09-03T16:15:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-03T16:15:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-03T16:15:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-03T16:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updates-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updates-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"></span>Updates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updates-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z-Updates"></span>So are we eschewing sponsorships on season pages from now on? Because that's what I saw in discussion. Also, Casey Mears signed a deal to stick with Germain beyond 2012, and I believe Regan Smith has as well. </p><p>Since the big Kenseth/Gibbs announcement is tomorrow, it'd be a good idea to lock his and Joey Logano's pages, since Joey going to Penske might be on the same day. </p><p>In terms of pages, the information needs to be updated. Some of them have (x will be joining Team Speed for the 2009 season with sponsorship from BobCo.) The information includes pictures. Joe Nemechek has grown a beard and mustache and we're still using his 2005 picture. Also, why doesn't <a href="/wiki/Kelley_Earnhardt_Miller" title="Kelley Earnhardt Miller">Kelley Earnhardt Miller</a> have a page? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z-Updates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z-Updates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z-Updates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"></span>Pretty sure we should, at least in the tables, as they come and go so much now. As for pictures, we use what's free... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-04T01:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-04T01:35:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z"></span>Yes we agreed to remove the sponsors (I assume we will remove them from older pages?) As for Casey Mears and Regan Smith, I haven't found anything from my Google Search. Someone else can look it they want, and the Logano/Kenseth issue, I guess we will just have to revert vandalism. I wish there were many more pictures available, but there isn't, unfortunately. The article probably needs to be created. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-09-04T01:35:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-04T01:35:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-09-04T01:35:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-04T01:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z-Updates"></span>Question is why? Also, the race sponsors should stay for the actual races themselves. There's no overarching name that they are called without sponsorship. Since NACAR, F1, and other series don't have sponsors listed on season pages, should we tell IndyCar editors to do the same for consistency's sake?<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z-Updates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z-Updates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z-Updates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:15:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z"></span>Totally agree on race sponsors remaining, of course, As for why, well, seeing as including sponsors stretched the Jeff Gordon results table past the confines a 1440x900 screen could contain... - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:15:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:15:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:15:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-09-06T02:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Order_of_team_chart" data-mw-thread-id="h-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span>Order of team chart<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z-Order_of_team_chart"></span>Hello, I just have a suggestion for the order of the team chart. </p><p>I would like to see it changed to be sorted by car numbers rather than team names to move it into line with other motorsports' team & driver charts (e.g. F1, the Nationwide Series, Truck Series, and V8 Supercars) </p><p>Also get rid of the Limited Schedule section and merge it with the Complete Schedule section. </p><p>Thanks, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:V8dude2" title="User:V8dude2">V8dude2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:V8dude2" title="User talk:V8dude2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z-Order_of_team_chart" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z-Order_of_team_chart"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z-Order_of_team_chart"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-United_States_Man-2012-09-04T04:45:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span>And just exactly why do you want it that way? We're not going to change something because you think it should be different. <a href="/wiki/User:United_States_Man" title="User:United States Man">United States Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:United_States_Man" title="User talk:United States Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-United_States_Man-2012-09-04T04:45:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-United_States_Man-2012-09-04T04:45:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-United_States_Man-2012-09-04T04:45:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span>The trouble is that that would split up teams' cars - for instance, instead of one entry in the chart for <a href="/wiki/Earnhardt_Ganassi_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Earnhardt Ganassi Racing">Earnhardt Ganassi Racing</a>, you'd now have two, one at "1" and one at "42"...F1 and IndyCar tend to have team cars "next to each other" number-wise. NASCAR doesn't. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-04T03:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheChrisD-2012-09-06T15:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z"></span>With the haphazard numbering scheme of American motorsports, it is best to sort by team before sorting by number. Perhaps the teams could be easily differentiated with either an alternating background colour, of a thicker border between entries.</dd> <dd>Also, a separate limited schedule section is ideal as some cars are only entered for partial seasons or one-off races, even more so than in other sports. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TheChrisD" title="User:TheChrisD"><span style="color:green; font-family:Verdana;">TheChrisD</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheChrisD" title="User talk:TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Rants</span></a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheChrisD" title="Special:Contributions/TheChrisD"><span style="color:lime;">Edits</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-TheChrisD-2012-09-06T15:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheChrisD-2012-09-06T15:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheChrisD-2012-09-06T15:51:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-06T05:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Team_Chart" data-mw-thread-id="h-Team_Chart-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Team_Chart-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"></span>Team Chart<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Team_Chart-Order_of_team_chart-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Team_Chart"></span>I actually find it better to order team charts by car numbers rather than teams. I think that it would be easier for the reader to read. </p><p>This is the sort of order I would like to see the Sprint Cup chart in: </p><p><b>Complete Schedule:</b> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;"> <tbody><tr> <th>Team </th> <th>Manufacturer </th> <th>No </th> <th>Race Driver </th> <th>Crew Chief </th></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Earnhardt_Ganassi_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Earnhardt Ganassi Racing">Earnhardt Ganassi Racing</a> </th> <td rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>1 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jamie_McMurray" title="Jamie McMurray">Jamie McMurray</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kevin_Manion" title="Kevin Manion">Kevin Manion</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>42 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Juan_Pablo_Montoya" title="Juan Pablo Montoya">Juan Pablo Montoya</a> </td> <td>Chris Heroy </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Penske_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Penske Racing">Penske Racing</a> </th> <td rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Dodge" title="Dodge">Dodge</a> </td> <td>2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Brad_Keselowski" title="Brad Keselowski">Brad Keselowski</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Paul_Wolfe" title="Paul Wolfe">Paul Wolfe</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="3">22 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/A.J._Allmendinger" class="mw-redirect" title="A.J. Allmendinger">A.J. Allmendinger</a> </td> <td rowspan="3"><a href="/wiki/Todd_Gordon" title="Todd Gordon">Todd Gordon</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Sam_Hornish,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Sam Hornish, Jr.">Sam Hornish, Jr.</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Wallace" title="Kenny Wallace">Kenny Wallace</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Hendrick_Motorsports" title="Hendrick Motorsports">Hendrick Motorsports</a> </th> <td rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>5 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kasey_Kahne" title="Kasey Kahne">Kasey Kahne</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Francis" title="Kenny Francis">Kenny Francis</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>24 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jeff_Gordon" title="Jeff Gordon">Jeff Gordon</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Alan_Gustafson" title="Alan Gustafson">Alan Gustafson</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>48 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie Johnson</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Chad_Knaus" title="Chad Knaus">Chad Knaus</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>88 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Dale_Earnhardt,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Dale Earnhardt, Jr.">Dale Earnhardt, Jr.</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Steve_Letarte" title="Steve Letarte">Steve Letarte</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Petty_Motorsports" title="Richard Petty Motorsports">Richard Petty Motorsports</a> </th> <td rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company" title="Ford Motor Company">Ford</a> </td> <td>9 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Marcos_Ambrose" title="Marcos Ambrose">Marcos Ambrose</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Todd_Parrott" title="Todd Parrott">Todd Parrott</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>43 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Aric_Almirola" title="Aric Almirola">Aric Almirola</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Greg_Erwin" title="Greg Erwin">Greg Erwin</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Mike_Ford" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Mike Ford">Mike Ford</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>Limited Schedule:</b> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;"> <tbody><tr> <th>Team </th> <th>Manufacturer </th> <th>No </th> <th>Race Driver </th> <th>Crew Chief </th> <th>Rounds </th></tr> <tr> <th>SS Motorsports </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Toyota" title="Toyota">Toyota</a> </td> <td>0 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Mike_Bliss" title="Mike Bliss">Mike Bliss</a> </td> <td>TBA </td> <td><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1038841319">.mw-parser-output .tooltip-dotted{border-bottom:1px dotted;cursor:help}</style><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="26">1</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th><a href="/wiki/RAB_Racing" title="RAB Racing">RAB Racing</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>09 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Wallace" title="Kenny Wallace">Kenny Wallace</a> </td> <td>Scott Zipadelli </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1">1</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th><a href="/wiki/Roush_Fenway_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Roush Fenway Racing">Roush Fenway Racing</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company" title="Ford Motor Company">Ford</a> </td> <td>6 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Ricky_Stenhouse,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.">Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.</a> </td> <td>Chad Norris </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1, 35">2</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th><a href="/wiki/Robby_Gordon_Motorsports" title="Robby Gordon Motorsports">Robby Gordon Motorsports</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Dodge" title="Dodge">Dodge</a> </td> <td>7 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Robby_Gordon" title="Robby Gordon">Robby Gordon</a> </td> <td>Samuel Stanley </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1-5, 16">6</span> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><b>Complete & Limited Schedules together:</b> </p> <table class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;"> <tbody><tr> <th>Team </th> <th>Manufacturer </th> <th>No </th> <th>Race Driver </th> <th>Crew Chief </th> <th>Rounds </th></tr> <tr> <th>SS Motorsports </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Toyota" title="Toyota">Toyota</a> </td> <td>0 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Mike_Bliss" title="Mike Bliss">Mike Bliss</a> </td> <td>TBA </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="26">1</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th><a href="/wiki/RAB_Racing" title="RAB Racing">RAB Racing</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>09 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Wallace" title="Kenny Wallace">Kenny Wallace</a> </td> <td>Scott Zipadelli </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1">1</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Earnhardt_Ganassi_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Earnhardt Ganassi Racing">Earnhardt Ganassi Racing</a> </th> <td rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>1 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jamie_McMurray" title="Jamie McMurray">Jamie McMurray</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kevin_Manion" title="Kevin Manion">Kevin Manion</a> </td> <td rowspan="2">All </td></tr> <tr> <td>42 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Juan_Pablo_Montoya" title="Juan Pablo Montoya">Juan Pablo Montoya</a> </td> <td>Chris Heroy </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="5"><a href="/wiki/Penske_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Penske Racing">Penske Racing</a> </th> <td rowspan="5"><a href="/wiki/Dodge" title="Dodge">Dodge</a> </td> <td>2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Brad_Keselowski" title="Brad Keselowski">Brad Keselowski</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Paul_Wolfe" title="Paul Wolfe">Paul Wolfe</a> </td> <td>All </td></tr> <tr> <td>12 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Sam_Hornish,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Sam Hornish, Jr.">Sam Hornish, Jr.</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Chad_Walter" title="Chad Walter">Chad Walter</a> </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="8, 30">2</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="3">22 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/A.J._Allmendinger" class="mw-redirect" title="A.J. Allmendinger">A.J. Allmendinger</a> </td> <td rowspan="3"><a href="/wiki/Todd_Gordon" title="Todd Gordon">Todd Gordon</a> </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1-17">17</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Sam_Hornish,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Sam Hornish, Jr.">Sam Hornish, Jr.</a> </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="18-25">8</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Wallace" title="Kenny Wallace">Kenny Wallace</a> </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="TBA">1</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Hendrick_Motorsports" title="Hendrick Motorsports">Hendrick Motorsports</a> </th> <td rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Chevrolet" title="Chevrolet">Chevrolet</a> </td> <td>5 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kasey_Kahne" title="Kasey Kahne">Kasey Kahne</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Kenny_Francis" title="Kenny Francis">Kenny Francis</a> </td> <td rowspan="4">All </td></tr> <tr> <td>24 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jeff_Gordon" title="Jeff Gordon">Jeff Gordon</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Alan_Gustafson" title="Alan Gustafson">Alan Gustafson</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>48 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jimmie_Johnson" title="Jimmie Johnson">Jimmie Johnson</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Chad_Knaus" title="Chad Knaus">Chad Knaus</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>88 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Dale_Earnhardt,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Dale Earnhardt, Jr.">Dale Earnhardt, Jr.</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Steve_Letarte" title="Steve Letarte">Steve Letarte</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Roush_Fenway_Racing" class="mw-redirect" title="Roush Fenway Racing">Roush Fenway Racing</a> </th> <td rowspan="4"><a href="/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company" title="Ford Motor Company">Ford</a> </td> <td>6 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Ricky_Stenhouse,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.">Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.</a> </td> <td>Chad Norris </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1, 35">2</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>16 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Greg_Biffle" title="Greg Biffle">Greg Biffle</a> </td> <td>Matt Puccia </td> <td rowspan="3">All </td></tr> <tr> <td>17 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Matt_Kenseth" title="Matt Kenseth">Matt Kenseth</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Fennig" title="Jimmy Fennig">Jimmy Fennig</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>99 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Carl_Edwards" title="Carl Edwards">Carl Edwards</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Bob_Osborne" title="Bob Osborne">Bob Osborne</a><br/><a href="/w/index.php?title=Chad_Norris&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Chad Norris (page does not exist)">Chad Norris</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th><a href="/wiki/Robby_Gordon_Motorsports" title="Robby Gordon Motorsports">Robby Gordon Motorsports</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Dodge" title="Dodge">Dodge</a> </td> <td>7 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Robby_Gordon" title="Robby Gordon">Robby Gordon</a> </td> <td>Samuel Stanley </td> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1038841319"><span class="rt-commentedText tooltip tooltip-dotted" title="1-5, 16">6</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Richard_Petty_Motorsports" title="Richard Petty Motorsports">Richard Petty Motorsports</a> </th> <td rowspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company" title="Ford Motor Company">Ford</a> </td> <td>9 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Marcos_Ambrose" title="Marcos Ambrose">Marcos Ambrose</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Todd_Parrott" title="Todd Parrott">Todd Parrott</a> </td> <td rowspan="2">All </td></tr> <tr> <td>43 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Aric_Almirola" title="Aric Almirola">Aric Almirola</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Greg_Erwin" title="Greg Erwin">Greg Erwin</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Mike_Ford" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Mike Ford">Mike Ford</a> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:V8dude2" title="User:V8dude2">V8dude2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:V8dude2" title="User talk:V8dude2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Team_Chart" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Team_Chart"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Team_Chart"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"></span>That would only work if race numbers were better known than teams. If someone is more likely to search for a driver via race number, then you might have a case, but as race numbers tend to belong to teams and don't travel with drivers generally when they shift teams, I suspect this is not the case. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z-V8dude2-2012-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z"></span>Especially with teams doing shell games with their numbers like <a href="/wiki/Front_Row_Motorsports" title="Front Row Motorsports">Front Row Motorsports</a> did a couple years ago. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z-Falcadore-2012-09-07T03:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-07T04:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z"></span>Can these tables be made sortable? Or does the multiple row high columns make it not work? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-09-07T04:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-07T04:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-07T04:36:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2012-09-07T03:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z"></span>Category for <a href="/wiki/Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" title="Death of Dale Earnhardt">Death of Dale Earnhardt</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span>I see that someone redirect his death to the 2001 Daytona 500 article without discussion so I reverted it. It was never discussed and I contend that his death was a major milestone in motorsports especially for the safety changes. Second, does his death article belong to <a href="/wiki/Category:Filmed_deaths_in_sports" title="Category:Filmed deaths in sports">Category:Filmed deaths in sports</a>? I started a discussion on the article's <a href="/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" title="Talk:Death of Dale Earnhardt">talk page</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2012-09-28T02:37:00.000Z-Category_for_Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z"><span id="Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Nascar Motorsport or NASCAR Motorsport?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sun_Creator-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span>In Brazil there is a team called "Nascar Motorsport" and is/was a team called "Comprafacil Nascar JF". What I can't really tell is if the 'Nascar' part should be upper cased in these situations or not. Some articles use lower case i.e <a href="/wiki/2012_Stock_Car_Brasil_season" title="2012 Stock Car Brasil season">2012 Stock Car Brasil season</a>, <a href="/wiki/2010_Copa_Chevrolet_Montana_season" title="2010 Copa Chevrolet Montana season">2010 Copa Chevrolet Montana season</a>, <a href="/wiki/Juliano_Moro" title="Juliano Moro">Juliano Moro</a> and I found many references that use lower case but the quality of those sources are unclear, for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.esportesite.com.br/2012/07/15/stock-car-khodair-e-o-ultimo-vencedor-no-rio-de-janeiro/">here</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.driverdb.com/drivers/juliano-moro/career/">here</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/noticia/2012/08/stockcar/pamplona-supera-caca-bueno-e-surpreende-com-pole-em-salvador.html">here</a>. Any thoughts/knowledge/investigation welcome. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Sun_Creator" title="User:Sun Creator">Sun Creator</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sun_Creator" title="User talk:Sun Creator">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Sun_Creator-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sun_Creator-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sun_Creator-2012-10-03T18:29:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-10-04T17:37:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span>It should be Nascar Motorsport, because the team name isn't referring to the actual sanctioning body NASCAR. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-10-04T17:37:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-10-04T17:37:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-10-04T17:37:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-10-04T20:17:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span>I agree with it being Nascar Motorsport, since there isn't really much of a connection between the team and NASCAR, and per Gaeaman787, it isn't referring to the actual sanctioning body. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2012-10-04T20:17:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2012-10-04T20:17:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2012-10-04T20:17:00.000Z-Nascar_Motorsport_or_NASCAR_Motorsport?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Images_&_such" data-mw-thread-id="h-Images_&_such-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z"><span id="Images_.26_such"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Images_&_such-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Images & such<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Images_&_such-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z-Images_&_such"></span>I feel like I'm running a broken record, but we need images, especially in light of the fact that we're using old pictures on championship pages. I've checked the sites for the image policy, none of them have any good NASCAR photos -_-. Also, when should we start changing driver profiles to the 2013 season?<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z-Images_&_such" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z-Images_&_such"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-11-18T04:56:00.000Z-Images_&_such"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Car_generations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Car_generations-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Car_generations-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z"></span>Car generations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Car_generations-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span>Right now the only car model we have is<a href="/wiki/Car_of_Tomorrow" title="Car of Tomorrow">Car of Tomorrow</a>, which really was the name for the fifth generation of cars. However, we are now including information about the sixth generation there as well. I was wondering if we should separate the two, and create articles for the first generation, second generation, and so on. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z-Car_generations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-02T03:19:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span>Are you talking about each generation of the CoT? That would be alot of stub articles I would imagine, so I would say keep them together. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-Car_generations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-Car_generations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-09T15:22:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z"></span>Understandable. What would be the article's name? <a href="/w/index.php?title=NASCAR_car&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="NASCAR car (page does not exist)">NASCAR car</a>? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2012-12-09T15:22:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 9 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-09T15:22:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2012-12-09T15:22:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-04T17:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"><span id="Whitney_.26_Humphrey_Smith"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"></span>Whitney & Humphrey Smith<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span>So there's a debate as to the actual history of Whitney Motorsports, Humphrey Smith Motorsports, and Phil Parsons Racing. There was a lawsuit filed by an ex-crew member, and it states that HP was bought out by Phil Parsons and turned into Phil Parsons Racing. That would make Humphrey Smith Motorsports a completely new team (which I thought it was, not a evolution of MSRP)<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-12-21T17:56:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"></span>IIRC, MSRP became HP Motorsports became PPR, which merged with Whitney. Humphrey Smith Motorsports is closely linked with <a href="/wiki/TriStar_Motorsports" title="TriStar Motorsports">TriStar Motorsports</a> (and is, indeed, very much the spiritual successor, right down to having the same co-owner and using the same number 19, of TriStar's 1990s Cup team). - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2012-12-21T17:56:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2012-12-21T17:56:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2012-12-21T17:56:00.000Z-Gaeaman787-2012-12-18T20:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-31T21:42:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span>HSM is a new team, its of course co-owned by Randy Humphrey and Mark Smith. So can admin make the necessary moves of page info?<a href="/wiki/User:Gaeaman787" title="User:Gaeaman787">Gaeaman787</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaeaman787" title="User talk:Gaeaman787">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-31T21:42:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-31T21:42:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaeaman787-2012-12-31T21:42:00.000Z-Whitney_&_Humphrey_Smith"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z"></span>RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwyrxian-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople"></span>An <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">RfC discussion</a> about the <a href="/wiki/MOS:FLAG" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FLAG">MOS:FLAG</a> restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Icons" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons</a>. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Icons#RfC_on_MOS:FLAG" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Qwyrxian" title="User:Qwyrxian">Qwyrxian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwyrxian" title="User talk:Qwyrxian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Qwyrxian-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwyrxian-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwyrxian-2012-12-24T02:52:00.000Z-RfC_on_the_use_of_flag_icons_for_sportspeople"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_new_NASCAR_website" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_new_NASCAR_website-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_new_NASCAR_website-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z"></span>The new NASCAR website<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_new_NASCAR_website-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z-The_new_NASCAR_website"></span>Unfortunately, the new design of the website made many links on articles (including some Good Articles) dead links. If they links weren't archived, they go to dead links. This problem begins with <a href="/wiki/2010_Kobalt_Tools_500_(Phoenix)" title="2010 Kobalt Tools 500 (Phoenix)">2010 Kobalt Tools 500 (Phoenix)</a> and continues up to the most recent race. Articles seem to redirect to their new place, but practices, qualifying links are dead. The new design of the results page includes practice and qualifying, but under the same link as the results, and you have to navigate your way to it from the link. Would this be okay for future race articles? Last, on some unarchived links, will they automatically archive to the old page or to the ERROR link? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z-The_new_NASCAR_website" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z-The_new_NASCAR_website"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-03T21:03:00.000Z-The_new_NASCAR_website"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Daytona_500_winners" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Daytona_500_winners-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Daytona_500_winners-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Daytona_500_winners" title="List of Daytona 500 winners">List of Daytona 500 winners</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Daytona_500_winners-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z-List_of_Daytona_500_winners"></span>The race results summary in the <a href="/wiki/Daytona_500" title="Daytona 500">Daytona 500</a> article is getting fairly large. Since there is already a <a href="/wiki/List_of_Daytona_500_pole_position_winners" title="List of Daytona 500 pole position winners">List of Daytona 500 pole position winners</a>, should we move the table back to the list and expand it from there (similar to <a href="/wiki/List_of_Indianapolis_500_winners" title="List of Indianapolis 500 winners">List of Indianapolis 500 winners</a>)? --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z-List_of_Daytona_500_winners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z-List_of_Daytona_500_winners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z-List_of_Daytona_500_winners"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2013-01-05T22:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"></span>I think that's a good idea. I'd also move the "Race winners records" section there too. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2013-01-05T22:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2013-01-05T22:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2013-01-05T22:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-01-05T19:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Aggregated racing driver infoboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Frietjes" title="User:Frietjes"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DH85868993-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes"></span>User:Frietjes</a> has proposed making changes to the various series-specific racing driver infoboxes (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_F1_driver" title="Template:Infobox F1 driver">Infobox F1 driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Le_Mans_driver" title="Template:Infobox Le Mans driver">Infobox Le Mans driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_WRC_driver" title="Template:Infobox WRC driver">Infobox WRC driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, etc) to allow them to be embedded inside <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_racing_driver" title="Template:Infobox racing driver">Infobox racing driver</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, such that a driver's article may contain a <i>single</i> infobox covering all the different series in which they have particpated, rather than multiple infoboxes - see <a href="/wiki/Andy_Priaulx" title="Andy Priaulx">Andy Priaulx</a> as an example. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver#addition_of_modules" title="Template talk:Infobox racing driver">Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver#addition_of_modules</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DH85868993" title="User talk:DH85868993">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-DH85868993-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DH85868993-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DH85868993-2013-01-25T01:36:00.000Z-Aggregated_racing_driver_infoboxes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2012_season_articles_needing_work" data-mw-thread-id="h-2012_season_articles_needing_work-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2012_season_articles_needing_work-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z"></span>2012 season articles needing work<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2012_season_articles_needing_work-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Falcadore-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z-2012_season_articles_needing_work"></span>Time for my annual post about incomplete season articles. The following series articles are little more than tables. Most of them don't even explain what they are, whether they are open wheel series, where they are held, <i>who won the series</i>! Apparently a series as important as DTM considers the point score system more important than the series champion. </p><p>The situation is also encouraging new editors to be likewise poor in seasonal coverage. </p><p>So while the majority of series are in hibernation perhaps we could spend a few days improving these articles. </p><p>Surely it would be more important and productive than arguing over whether Mercedes or Mercedes AMG is the correct terminiology for a constructor? Less minuatae! </p><p>No mention of series winner:<br/> <a href="/wiki/2012_Continental_Tire_Sports_Car_Challenge_season" class="mw-redirect" title="2012 Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge season">2012 Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge season</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/2012_Rolex_Sports_Car_Series_season" class="mw-redirect" title="2012 Rolex Sports Car Series season">2012 Rolex Sports Car Series season</a><br/> <br/> Series winner mentioned but no season review: </p> <ul><li>Indicates race summaries, but a lack of season review</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/2012_ARCA_Racing_Series_season" class="mw-redirect" title="2012 ARCA Racing Series season">2012 ARCA Racing Series season</a><br/> <a href="/wiki/2012_Stock_Car_Brasil_season" title="2012 Stock Car Brasil season">2012 Stock Car Brasil season</a><br/> <br/> Thank you for your time. --<a href="/wiki/User:Falcadore" title="User:Falcadore">Falcadore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Falcadore" title="User talk:Falcadore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Falcadore-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z-2012_season_articles_needing_work" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Falcadore-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z-2012_season_articles_needing_work"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Falcadore-2013-02-06T05:38:00.000Z-2012_season_articles_needing_work"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Images_nominated_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Images_nominated_for_deletion-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Images_nominated_for_deletion-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span>Images nominated for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Images_nominated_for_deletion-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z-Images_nominated_for_deletion"></span>A number of fair use NASCAR images have been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2013_February_8#File:1986Firecracker400.jpg" title="Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 February 8">nominated for deletion</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z-Images_nominated_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z-Images_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z-Images_nominated_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-02-13T04:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for letting us know! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-02-13T04:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-02-13T04:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-02-13T04:48:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched-2013-02-13T06:14:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span>TY .. I'll have a look in the next day or so. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched" title="User:Ched">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched" title="User talk:Ched"><span style="color:#FFFFFF; background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched-2013-02-13T06:14:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched-2013-02-13T06:14:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched-2013-02-13T06:14:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-02-13T00:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NASCAR.com_Reference_Links" data-mw-thread-id="h-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"></span>NASCAR.com Reference Links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links"></span>Now that NASCAR.com has changed their entire format, shouldn't all the NASCAR.com links be updated/removed/cleaned up as necessary? This includes driver profiles, articles, schedules, standings, etc. </p><p><br/> (Anonymous) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0" title="Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0">75.177.141.0</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:75.177.141.0" title="User talk:75.177.141.0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z-NASCAR.com_Reference_Links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-14T03:33:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"></span>If they can be relocated to their current locations, they should be; if they can't though, they shouldn't be removed - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEADLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEADLINK">WP:DEADLINK</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-14T03:33:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-14T03:33:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-02-14T03:33:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-02-14T03:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Infobox_Daytona_500" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Daytona_500" title="Template:Infobox Daytona 500">Template:Infobox Daytona 500</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500"></span>Could someone build something into <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Daytona_500" title="Template:Infobox Daytona 500">Infobox Daytona 500</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> so it links to the preceding and succeeding Daytona 500 articles? Ideally this would be based on the year parameter so all of the articles would update automatically, but it would also work to create parameters and update the articles manually. In addition, why does the documentation page for the template say not to fill in a year for races before 2008? <a href="/wiki/User:Ryan_Vesey" title="User:Ryan Vesey"><i><b>Ryan</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ryan_Vesey" title="User talk:Ryan Vesey"><i><b>Vesey</b></i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z-Template:Infobox_Daytona_500"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-02-22T15:24:00.000Z-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"></span>There is a template at the bottom of the page for moving to different Daytona 500 articles. The template said not to fill it in because it will end up to a red link since not all seasons are Sprint Cup. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-02-22T15:24:00.000Z-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-02-22T15:24:00.000Z-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-02-22T15:24:00.000Z-Ryan_Vesey-2013-02-18T02:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gary_Webb" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gary_Webb-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gary_Webb-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z"></span>Gary Webb<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gary_Webb-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Location-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z-Gary_Webb"></span>Someone claiming to be affiliated with <a href="/wiki/Gary_Webb_(racing_driver)" title="Gary Webb (racing driver)">Gary Webb (racing driver)</a> has posted in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gary_Webb_.28racing_driver.29" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard">Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gary_Webb_.28racing_driver.29</a> stating that certain information in the article is incorrect. I said I would bring it up here for him/her. <a href="/wiki/User:Location" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Location">Location</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Location" title="User talk:Location">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Location-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z-Gary_Webb" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Location-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z-Gary_Webb"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Location-2013-02-21T16:03:00.000Z-Gary_Webb"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_interesting_statistic..." data-mw-thread-id="h-An_interesting_statistic...-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_interesting_statistic...-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"></span>An interesting statistic...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_interesting_statistic...-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201302/Kyle_Larson%20%28racing%20driver%29"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z-An_interesting_statistic..."></span>Hits in February</a> for <a href="/wiki/Kyle_Larson_(racing_driver)" class="mw-redirect" title="Kyle Larson (racing driver)">Kyle Larson (racing driver)</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z-An_interesting_statistic..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z-An_interesting_statistic..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z-An_interesting_statistic..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NaBUru38-2013-03-04T00:41:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"></span>Remember that web spiders can flood those statistics. Have fun! --<a href="/wiki/User:NaBUru38" title="User:NaBUru38">NaBUru38</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NaBUru38" title="User talk:NaBUru38">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-NaBUru38-2013-03-04T00:41:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NaBUru38-2013-03-04T00:41:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NaBUru38-2013-03-04T00:41:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-03-01T05:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z"></span>Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sven_Manguard-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239009302">.mw-parser-output .portalbox{padding:0;margin:0.5em 0;display:table;box-sizing:border-box;max-width:175px;list-style:none}.mw-parser-output .portalborder{border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:0.1em;background:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-entry{display:table-row;font-size:85%;line-height:110%;height:1.9em;font-style:italic;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-image{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em;vertical-align:middle;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .portalbox-link{display:table-cell;padding:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em;vertical-align:middle}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .portalleft{clear:left;float:left;margin:0.5em 1em 0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .portalright{clear:right;float:right;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em}}</style><ul role="navigation" aria-label="Portals" class="noprint portalbox portalborder portalright"> <li class="portalbox-entry"><span class="portalbox-image"><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Sports_icon.png/31px-Sports_icon.png" decoding="async" width="31" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Sports_icon.png/47px-Sports_icon.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Sports_icon.png/62px-Sports_icon.png 2x" data-file-width="251" data-file-height="226"/></span></span></span><span class="portalbox-link"><a href="/wiki/Portal:Sports" title="Portal:Sports">Sports portal</a></span></li></ul> <p>This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated <a href="/wiki/Portal:Sports" title="Portal:Sports">Portal:Sports</a> for featured portal status. The discussion is at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_portal_candidates/Portal:Sports" title="Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports">Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports</a>. The featured portal criteria are at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_portal_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria">Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria</a>. Please feel free to weigh in. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><span style="color:#207004;"><b><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard"><small><span style="color:#F0A804;"><b>Wha?</b></span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Sven_Manguard-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sven_Manguard-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sven_Manguard-2013-03-04T18:37:00.000Z-Portal:Sports_is_up_for_featured_portal_consideration"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="links_to_Grand_National_horse_race" data-mw-thread-id="h-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span>links to <a href="/wiki/Grand_National" title="Grand National">Grand National</a> horse race<span data-mw-comment-end="h-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race"></span>Hi, I'm an editor who works mainly on UK horse racing, and I've noticed that there are a lot of links pointing from NASCAR seasons to the British horse race, the <a href="/wiki/Grand_National" title="Grand National">Grand National</a> - for example, <a href="/wiki/1950_NASCAR_Grand_National_Series" title="1950 NASCAR Grand National Series">1950 NASCAR Grand National Series</a>. I think its something to do with the seasons box at the top right of the articles, but I'm not sure how to change it and not sure what to repoint the link to. Would someone from the WP:NASCAR project mind taking a look at this and fixing it? Thanks, --<a href="/wiki/User:Bcp67" title="User:Bcp67">Bcp67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bcp67" title="User talk:Bcp67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z-links_to_Grand_National_horse_race"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span>The problem is that "series" field in <a href="/wiki/Template:Motorsport_season" title="Template:Motorsport season">Template:Motorsport season</a> is set to automatically link to the article with the name of the motorsport series. "Grand National" was the name for the NASCAR's premiere series (<a href="/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Sprint Cup Series">Sprint Cup Series</a>) from the 1950 until 1970. But you can't just change the name of the series! So I changed the series link to <a href="/wiki/Grand_National_Series" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand National Series">Grand National Series</a> which works. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z-Bcp67-2013-04-15T20:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bcp67-2013-04-16T04:50:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z"></span>That's great, thank you for your help with that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bcp67" title="User:Bcp67">Bcp67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bcp67" title="User talk:Bcp67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Bcp67-2013-04-16T04:50:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 16 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bcp67-2013-04-16T04:50:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bcp67-2013-04-16T04:50:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-04-15T23:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"><span id="Table_cell.2Frow_merging_-_STOP.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"></span>Table cell/row merging - STOP!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!"></span>I am bringing this up here because it is an increasing problem in IndyCar race articles, but it also probably more prevalent in the NASCAR project. There seem to be some editors (most seem unregistered) who are turning race result tables (and other tables) totally upside-down by merging rows and cells. It makes the tables look terrible, hard to read, merges irrelevant data, and makes them very difficult to edit for future reasons. I have no idea what people are thinking do this. For instance, they are merging cells for a driver who wins a race back-to-back years, merging laps/miles, car makes that happened to win in . See this for an example. Some are <b>much</b> worse than this one. </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Daytona_500#List_of_Daytona_500_winners" title="Daytona 500">Daytona 500#List of Daytona 500 winners</a></li></ul> <p>I think it should be stopped immediately, and in fact reverted to un-merge all the cells. The reasoning is that each line represents a totally different event. What happened in one year is totally unrelated to the next. Each line should be complete and independent of its own information. The fact that a car make won two years in a row is merely coincidental to the makeup of the table. It also makes it difficult for the reader to see that they are separate events each year, and one might not be able to tell easily that 2-3-4 or more races are represented. While the skill of complex table syntax might be impressive, it has no place here. The only place where some cells could be mereged would be "twin" races, like Texas had </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Firestone_550#Past_winners" class="mw-redirect" title="Firestone 550">Firestone 550#Past winners</a></li></ul> <p>I've also posted this at the open wheel project, but it's probably worse in NASCAR right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z-Table_cell/row_merging_-_STOP!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"></span>I completely agree with your statement, Doctorindy. Merging these cells are unnecessary and should not be done as it makes the tables more confusing and harder to read. As you said, "Each line should be complete and independent of its own information." --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-04-25T18:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-25T23:51:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z"></span>And I agreed at a discussion on this topic at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_American_Open_Wheel_Racing#Table_cell.2Frow_merging_-_STOP.21" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_American_Open_Wheel_Racing#Table_cell.2Frow_merging_-_STOP.21</a>. So did <a href="/wiki/User:Drdisque" title="User:Drdisque">Drdisque</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:DH85868993" title="User:DH85868993">DH85868993</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-04-25T23:51:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-25T23:51:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-04-25T23:51:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-04-25T22:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Death of Dale Earnhardt<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span>Hello, fellow NASCAR project members. I am considering a possible push for GA on <a href="/wiki/Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" title="Death of Dale Earnhardt">Death of Dale Earnhardt</a>. I am using <a href="/wiki/Death_of_John_Lennon" class="mw-redirect" title="Death of John Lennon">Death of John Lennon</a> as a model. Can anyone please give me advice on how to improve this? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23" title="User:Sjones23">Lord Sjones23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjones23" title="User talk:Sjones23">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Sjones23/Wikipedia_contributions" title="User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-05-02T04:31:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Very interesting selection - probably the 2nd most controversial article at WikiProject NASCAR. The article is a strong vandalism and POV magnet. It needs major work with citations and some of the sources used aren't GA quality. The sources better be very strong for all of the controversy sections - was he wearing a seatbelt improperly, huge photographs controversy, etc. I would consider if there's enough information for a new section on what happened to his fans - some stopped watching the sport while others probably became fans of Dale, Jr. Did his death lead or contribute to NASCAR's declining viewership? I hope you have a strong knowledge of NASCAR. Feel free to ask me any questions that you want. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-05-02T04:31:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-05-02T04:31:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-05-02T04:31:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:32:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span>OHHHH???? I may be willing to help with this. May and June are going to be very busy for me IRL, so I may be spotty as far as my work on wiki goes. (and heaven knows I could use the peace and quiet of NASCAR after some time helping with the "zOMG dramaz" boards.) Let me have a quick look, and I'll get back to this in the next day or two. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched" title="User:Ched">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched" title="User talk:Ched"><span style="color:#FFFFFF; background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:32:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:32:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:32:00.000Z-Sjones23-2013-04-30T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:55:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span>Same here and the main article as well. He was my longtime favorite driver, RIP. <a href="/wiki/User:Secret" title="User:Secret">Secret</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Secret" title="User talk:Secret">account</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:55:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:55:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:55:00.000Z-Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="LOL_funny" data-mw-thread-id="h-LOL_funny-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LOL_funny-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z"></span>LOL funny<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LOL_funny-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z-LOL_funny"></span>Had to share this with the group. (email link I got from a friend) </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.theonion.com/video/nascar-coach-reveals-winning-strategy-drive-fast,14154/">http://www.theonion.com/video/nascar-coach-reveals-winning-strategy-drive-fast,14154/</a></li></ul> <p>— <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched" title="User:Ched">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched" title="User talk:Ched"><span style="color:#FFFFFF; background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z-LOL_funny" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z-LOL_funny"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched-2013-05-03T06:29:00.000Z-LOL_funny"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_sports_related_IRC_channel." data-mw-thread-id="h-New_sports_related_IRC_channel.-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_sports_related_IRC_channel.-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z"></span>New sports related IRC channel.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_sports_related_IRC_channel.-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z-New_sports_related_IRC_channel."></span>There is now an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC" title="Wikipedia:IRC">WP:IRC</a> channel for collaboration between editors in various sports WikiProjects. It's located at <span style="font-family: monospace,Courier; white-space: pre-wrap !important; word-wrap: break-word; max-width: 1200px; overflow: auto;">#wikipedia-en-sports</span> <sup class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#wikipedia-en-sports"><span style="color:green;">connect</span></a></sup>. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Secret" title="User:Secret">Secret</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Secret" title="User talk:Secret">account</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z-New_sports_related_IRC_channel." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z-New_sports_related_IRC_channel."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Secret-2013-05-06T03:53:00.000Z-New_sports_related_IRC_channel."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"><span id="Editing_Reminder_.28DO_NOT_PREDICT.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Editing Reminder (DO NOT PREDICT)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)"></span>With Matt Kenseth having won at Darlington, I noticed Kyle Busch's article having him stated as the winner of the 2013 Southern 500. </p><p>He was not. </p><p>Can whoever edits any NASCAR article not put a driver as the winner of a race before the race is over? You're personal predictions aren't really necessary. </p><p>That may have been a little harsh, so let me apologize for that. </p><p>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0" title="Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0">75.177.141.0</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:75.177.141.0" title="User talk:75.177.141.0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z-Editing_Reminder_(DO_NOT_PREDICT)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"></span>I removed it. I presume you are referring to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kyle_Busch&diff=554679320&oldid=554679242">this</a>. This is why I wait until the unofficial results come out to add in the top 10. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T02:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T04:26:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, the guy put back my removal of the sentence, but I saw that you took it away again. lol. Thanks for your help, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0" title="Special:Contributions/75.177.141.0">75.177.141.0</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:75.177.141.0" title="User talk:75.177.141.0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T04:26:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T04:26:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-75.177.141.0-2013-05-12T04:26:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-05-12T02:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Name_of_All-Star_race_reports" data-mw-thread-id="h-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Name of All-Star race reports<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports"></span>I think NASCAR and Charlotte Motor Speedway stopped using roman numerals for the name of the race. Should we continue counting by roman numerals if they aren't using it, or change it to {{{year}}} NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race? -- <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z-Name_of_All-Star_race_reports"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"></span>I think they shouldn't have been like that to begin with. They should be called what they were called, or simply by the year. It's silly when they change the name of events retroactively, because it just isn't what it was called at the contemporary time. I think the reason they "re-named" the all-star events was to zap the word "Winston" from all references. I also hate when refer to a past race by its current sponsor name. (i.e, there's no such thing as the 1987 Aaron's 499). OK, rant over. <a href="/wiki/User:Doctorindy" title="User:Doctorindy">Doctorindy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doctorindy" title="User talk:Doctorindy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 3 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-05-14T21:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Agreed; the article should be at the name the event was called when it was run, full stop. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z-Doctorindy-2013-06-03T20:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z"></span>Agreed, such as 1992 The Winston, 2007 NEXTEL All-Star Challenge, then 2013 NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race. -- <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;"> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar</span><span style="color:blue;">1996</span></a></b><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">Contribs</span></a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-03T22:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z"></span>You have another nod in agreement! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-04T00:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-14T15:28:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z"></span>Just to clarify, only the <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Sprint_All-Star_Race_XXIV" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race XXIV">2008 Sprint All-Star Race</a> will have the roman numerals or would the <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_Sprint_All-Star_Race_XXV" class="mw-redirect" title="NASCAR Sprint All-Star Race XXV">2009 race</a> need them as well? 2009 had both the year and the roman numeral in it's logo. Images of logos: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/831/831933/831933_article_img_large3.jpg">2008</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://assets.speedtv.com/images/article_assets/954/954141/954141_article_img_large1.jpg">2009</a> --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-14T15:28:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 14 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-14T15:28:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-14T15:28:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-05T04:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"></span>Rain forecasted at Road America<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span>I have tickets for this Saturday's Nationwide race at Road America. I remember several decades ago when Dale Earnhardt and Rusty Wallace tested rain tires for Cup. But those tires sat around too long and the rubber went bad. Do they have any plans to race with rain tires in Nationwide? Some of the best racing that I've ever witnessed was in rain, especially the <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2011_SCCA_National_Championship_Runoffs">2011 SCCA National Championship Runoffs</a> at RA. I really enjoy watching the rainmeisters pass through the field. Also, is there anything else that someone would like to see a photograph? For example, several years ago I photographed detailed shots of a splitter. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"></span>I haven't heard, but it might be too early. I would wait until later in the week and look on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.jayski.com">Jayski</a> and see if they do. Last year, Jayski reported that they did bring rain tires to the track. I guess if you could get a picture of a rain tire, it might be able to go on <a href="/wiki/NASCAR_rules_and_regulations" title="NASCAR rules and regulations">NASCAR rules and regulations</a> under 'Technical requirements and inspection'. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 18 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-17T23:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z"></span>Jayski says that 1/2 of the tires will be rain tires! I'll bring my rain coat and umbrella. Rain brings interesting strategy - when do you change from rain tires to slicks, also some drivers are relatively quicker so you can watch slower qualifiers come up through the field. They're going to be bringing out drivers in group qualifying sessions like they did last year. Thanks! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-18T00:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Hopefully you can get some pics there! I would've gone to Sonoma, but I'm kinda broke. <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/18px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/27px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/36px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T01:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z"></span>My next chance to get any pictures of anything about NASCAR probably will be this fall at Charlotte Motor Speedway for the Sprint Cup event, but it is a night race, so I don't know. Have fun Royalbroil, just don't make us too jealous with your pictures when you come back. – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T01:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! I hope to make everyone jealous. And last year I took a photo of all of the cars and almost all of the drivers. I'll go to the ARCA race earlier in the day and I hope to get a great shot of <a href="/wiki/Chase_Elliott" title="Chase Elliott">Chase Elliott</a> plus some of the other up and comers. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-22T03:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z"></span>Besides Chase, who would probably be your main targets to get photos of? <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T03:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z"></span>I will photograph everyone! I have my telephoto lens cleaned, packed, and ready to go. I'm leaving in a few hours. Forecast is rain this morning, clearing late morning to afternoon, possible rain late afternoon into evening. The Nationwide race starts at about 4:00 pm local time, 12:45 for the ARCA race. The Nationwide drivers usually do a parade lap on the back of a truck, which is where I can photograph them without a fence in the way. I bet that ARCA won't do a parade lap so I doubt I could get photos of the drivers - just their cars. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-22T04:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z"></span>Any pictures of Austin Dillon, Richard Childress, or anything related to a black 3 are always enjoyed. Also anything along the Mark Martin line is also appreciated. TY .. and hope you have a blast RB. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ched" title="User:Ched">Ched</a></b> : <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ched" title="User talk:Ched"><span style="color:#FFFFFF; background:#0000fa;"> ? </span></a></span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-22T12:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-22T21:10:00.000Z-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Awesome. Can't wait to see the pix! (And hey, can you clear up something about the ARCA race? ARCA's race article and results claim that the caution came out on lap 36, it was a four-lap caution, and they restarted with three to go, which is impossible, and Dillon led on the restart but was punted by Elliott - but according to the result sheets the last lap Dillon led was lap 35. What <i>really</i> happened?) - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-22T21:10:00.000Z-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-22T21:10:00.000Z-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-22T21:10:00.000Z-Ched-2013-06-22T12:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span>I'm back home already! It was a fun day! I have a video of 2 drivers spinning out in turn 5 at around lap 45 (of 50). I should have photographs of all of the NASCAR drivers - hopefully only a few are blurring. I hate it when the trucks with the drivers would get real close together. I should have photographs of all of the cars in the Nationwide and ARCA field. I don't know the answer to your question about the ARCA race - I didn't watch in that level of detail. Sorry. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span>Did you get any pictures of Allmendinger's celebration? Are you going to upload all the pictures to Flickr first? – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I took a few photographs and a video of Allmendinger's celebrating but you can't see much. It was in front of me in turn 5. I sat on the hill between turn 5 and 6 - then I can see turn 14 in the distance.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I have 1650 photographs and about 550 of them where from the drivers on the trucks. Lucky if half of those 550 are in focus. It will take me a long time to process that many photographs. A few ones of interest - I photographed the ARCA trailer, 2 ARCA teams working on their cars after qualifying, and a course working waving the blue flag. The best and luckiest one was the MRN radio crew driving their announcers right past me on a golf cart as I was leaving. No models were working at the track but I did photograph a Chevy girl who was taking a photograph of a guy who has grown out his beard to look like the guys in <a href="/wiki/Duck_Dynasty" title="Duck Dynasty">Duck Dynasty</a>. He was trying to win a lookalike contest, lol. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T01:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z"></span>I'd like to see the Chevy girl and Duck Dynasty lookalike photo. I don't think it'd have any relevance on any page here on Wikipedia (unless the girl could fit into <a href="/wiki/Race_queen" class="mw-redirect" title="Race queen">race queen</a> or even the guy appearing on <a href="/wiki/Duck_Dynasty" title="Duck Dynasty">Duck Dynasty</a>). If he does look like one of the DD guys, well, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/7172.jpg">close enough</a>? <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z"></span>Happy you had fun Royal. Zappa, maybe as a Chevrolet advertisement? ;) – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T01:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z"></span>Commons is real liberal for uploading, as long as it has educational value. I could upload it to flickr otherwise. I cruised quickly through the driver photographs and the only driver where I have no useable photographs is Sam Hornish. I just photographed his back and side. <a href="/wiki/Max_Papis" title="Max Papis">Max Papis</a> is the best like usual - he is so animated and they fans really responded to him! I forgot about an AWESOME photograph of the American flag with the jets doing a flyover in the background. WOW! I found a decent photo of Allmendinger's burnout. Any priority of drivers or cars to upload first? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z"></span>It would've been funny if you got a picture of Papis slapping Billy Johnson. Nothing like a good 'ol Pap-Slap! <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z"></span>The photos of Allmendinger's burnout and the model photographing are both up and can be found at <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2013_Johnsonville_Sausage_200">this Commons category</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z"></span>The picture of the chevrolet model. lol – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T02:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z"></span>Maybe the picture could work on <a href="/wiki/Austin_Dillon" title="Austin Dillon">Austin Dillon</a> or <a href="/wiki/Richard_Childress_Racing#Car_No._3_history" title="Richard Childress Racing">Richard Childress Racing#Car No. 3 history</a>? <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T02:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z"></span>Many photographs at Commons are not being used at one of the Wikipedias so it's no big deal. The rain that they predicted is moving in right now about 3 hours after the race got done. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T02:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z"></span>Nice work! Priority might be best to some of the drivers we don't have pictures for yet - <a href="/wiki/Alex_Bowman" title="Alex Bowman">Alex Bowman</a>, <a href="/wiki/Parker_Kligerman" title="Parker Kligerman">Parker Kligerman</a>, <a href="/wiki/James_Buescher" title="James Buescher">James Buescher</a>(!), etc. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T03:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z"></span>It surprises me the most the Buescher doesn't have an image, especially considering his Truck title last year. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-23T03:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span>Also surprising is that after eight years there isn't a picture of <a href="/wiki/David_Gilliland" title="David Gilliland">David Gilliland</a> yet. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-26T00:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z"></span>I added the pictures for all of the ones listed and more. I'm especially proud of the Buescher photo looking right at the camera from close range. It can be added to any of the truck series article. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-26T00:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-26T00:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-26T00:32:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2013-06-24T03:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T04:35:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span>Speaking of images, how did <a href="/wiki/Brad_Keselowski" title="Brad Keselowski">Brad Keselowski</a> get <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Brad_Keselowski_Champion_2012.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Brad Keselowski Champion 2012.jpg (page does not exist)">this</a>? – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T04:35:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T04:35:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T04:35:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span>I first thought that the cameraman was on the floor, until I saw Showtime's Homestead recap when I saw no one down there-but then again, i was mainly paying attention to Keselowski and his crew's champagne fight. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z-Royalbroil-2013-06-23T01:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z"></span>It's probably a copyright violation. Oh, and it's drizzling in Sonoma. Weird.. – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:27:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z"></span>Well, it is predicted to rain tomorrow there, so I'm not entirely too surprised. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:27:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:27:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-23T19:27:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-23T19:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span>This doesn't really have to do with this topic, but does anyone see the driver image errors when you search NASCAR on Yahoo? I mean, why is Kevin Harvick listed as Jimmie Johnson, Kyle Busch is listed as Carl Edwards, and Joey Logano being called Clint Bowyer? <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-tyc9&p=NASCAR&type=">[9]</a> <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://imgur.com/T4OpDeA"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z"></span>This</a> is what I see. – <b><a href="/wiki/User:Nascar1996" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nascar1996"><span style="color:black;">Nascar1996</span></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nascar1996" title="User talk:Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nascar1996" title="Special:Contributions/Nascar1996"><span style="color:darkblue;">cont</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z"></span>Looking through the pics, I can say that Kevin Harvick has really let himself go turn into Martin Truex, Jr. Maybe Harvick was actually the one in victory lane in Sonoma today. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z-Nascar1996-2013-06-24T02:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-25T03:53:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Now it's fixed.</s> Johnson's photo is back, but now Edwards is Biffle, Bowyer is Jr, Kahne is JPM, Jr is Gordon, you name it. <b><span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zappa</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati" title="Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#00FF00;">O</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZappaOMati" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ZappaOMati"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Mati</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-25T03:53:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-25T03:53:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZappaOMati-2013-06-25T03:53:00.000Z-ZappaOMati-2013-06-24T02:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-24T15:37:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span>And to top off the weekend, I saw a "short person" win his first USAC <a href="/wiki/Midget_car_racing" title="Midget car racing">Midget</a> show on Sunday night. What a weekend! I took off Monday for a well-earned recovery day. I'm glad to see so many posts and so many people still active / pumped up about this the Wikiproject! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Royalbroil" title="User:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#000000;">Royal</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Royalbroil" title="User talk:Royalbroil"><span style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7#c-Royalbroil-2013-06-24T15:37:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-24T15:37:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Royalbroil-2013-06-24T15:37:00.000Z-Rain_forecasted_at_Road_America"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7&oldid=1180508591">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_NASCAR/Archive_7&oldid=1180508591</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 October 2023, at 02:06<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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