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class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Involved_parties" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Involved_parties"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1</span> <span>Involved parties</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Involved_parties-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Prior_dispute_resolution" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Prior_dispute_resolution"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2</span> <span>Prior dispute resolution</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Prior_dispute_resolution-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Preliminary_statements" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Preliminary_statements"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Preliminary statements</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">58 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Preliminary_statements-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Preliminary statements subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Preliminary_statements-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Statement_by_GPinkerton" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_GPinkerton"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>Statement by GPinkerton</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_GPinkerton-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2</span> <span>Statement by Paradise Chronicle</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Levivich" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Levivich"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.3</span> <span>Statement by Levivich</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Levivich-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.4</span> <span>Statement by عمرو بن كلثوم</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.5</span> <span>Statement by Attar-Aram syria</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Thepharoah17" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Thepharoah17"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.6</span> <span>Statement by Thepharoah17</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Thepharoah17-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.7</span> <span>Statement by Supreme Deliciousness</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Cullen328" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Cullen328"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.8</span> <span>Statement by Cullen328</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Cullen328-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Ymblanter" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Ymblanter"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.9</span> <span>Statement by Ymblanter</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Ymblanter-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_El_C" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_El_C"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.10</span> <span>Statement by El_C</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_El_C-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Semsûrî" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Semsûrî"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.11</span> <span>Statement by Semsûrî</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Semsûrî-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Valereee" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Valereee"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.12</span> <span>Statement by Valereee</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Valereee-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_by_MJL" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_by_MJL"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.13</span> <span>Question by MJL</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Question_by_MJL-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_The_Bushranger" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_The_Bushranger"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.14</span> <span>Statement by The Bushranger</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_The_Bushranger-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.15</span> <span>Statement by Robert McClenon (Syria and Kurdistan)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Sixula" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Sixula"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.16</span> <span>Statement by Sixula</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Sixula-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Ivanvector" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Ivanvector"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.17</span> <span>Statement by Ivanvector</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Ivanvector-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Nsk92" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Nsk92"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.18</span> <span>Statement by Nsk92</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Nsk92-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Ahmetlii" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Ahmetlii"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.19</span> <span>Statement by Ahmetlii</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Ahmetlii-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Narky_Blert" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Narky_Blert"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.20</span> <span>Statement by Narky Blert</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Narky_Blert-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.21</span> <span>Statement by Beyond My Ken</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Preliminary_decision" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Preliminary_decision"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Preliminary decision</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">25 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Preliminary_decision-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Preliminary decision subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Preliminary_decision-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Clerk_notes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Clerk_notes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>Clerk notes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Clerk_notes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.2</span> <span>Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (12/0/0)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Temporary_injunction_(none)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Temporary_injunction_(none)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.3</span> <span>Temporary injunction (none)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Temporary_injunction_(none)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Final_decision" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Final_decision"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Final decision</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-Final_decision-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Final decision subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Final_decision-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Principles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Principles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>Principles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Principles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Purpose_of_Wikipedia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Purpose_of_Wikipedia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.1</span> <span>Purpose of Wikipedia</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Purpose_of_Wikipedia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Preexisting_disputes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Preexisting_disputes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.2</span> <span>Preexisting disputes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Preexisting_disputes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Neutral_point_of_view" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Neutral_point_of_view"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.3</span> <span>Neutral point of view</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Neutral_point_of_view-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sourcing_of_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sourcing_of_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.4</span> <span>Sourcing of articles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Sourcing_of_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Civility" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Civility"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.5</span> <span>Civility</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Civility-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-National_and_territorial_disputes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#National_and_territorial_disputes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.6</span> <span>National and territorial disputes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-National_and_territorial_disputes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Personalising_disputes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Personalising_disputes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.7</span> <span>Personalising disputes</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Personalising_disputes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.8</span> <span>Wikipedia is not a battleground</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tendentious_editing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tendentious_editing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.9</span> <span>Tendentious editing</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Tendentious_editing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-General_sanctions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#General_sanctions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.10</span> <span>General sanctions</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-General_sanctions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Conduct_during_arbitration_cases" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Conduct_during_arbitration_cases"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1.11</span> <span>Conduct during arbitration cases</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Conduct_during_arbitration_cases-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Findings" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Findings"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2</span> <span>Findings</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Findings-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Locus_of_dispute" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Locus_of_dispute"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.1</span> <span>Locus of dispute</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Locus_of_dispute-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Valereee's_source_restriction" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Valereee's_source_restriction"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.2</span> <span>Valereee's source restriction</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Valereee's_source_restriction-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GPinkerton" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GPinkerton"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.3</span> <span>GPinkerton</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-GPinkerton-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thepharoah17" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thepharoah17"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.4</span> <span>Thepharoah17</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Thepharoah17-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-عمرو_بن_كلثوم" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#عمرو_بن_كلثوم"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.5</span> <span>عمرو بن كلثوم</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Supreme_Deliciousness" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Supreme_Deliciousness"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.6</span> <span>Supreme Deliciousness</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Supreme_Deliciousness-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paradise_Chronicle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paradise_Chronicle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.7</span> <span>Paradise Chronicle</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Paradise_Chronicle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2.8</span> <span>GPinkerton: decorum at arbitration case pages</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Remedies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Remedies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3</span> <span>Remedies</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Remedies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Contentious_topic_designation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Contentious_topic_designation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.1</span> <span>Contentious topic designation</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Contentious_topic_designation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GPinkerton_banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GPinkerton_banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.2</span> <span>GPinkerton banned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-GPinkerton_banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GPinkerton_topic-banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GPinkerton_topic-banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.3</span> <span>GPinkerton topic-banned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-GPinkerton_topic-banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thepharoah17_topic-banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thepharoah17_topic-banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.4</span> <span>Thepharoah17 topic-banned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Thepharoah17_topic-banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.5</span> <span>عمرو بن كلثوم topic-banned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.6</span> <span>Supreme Deliciousness topic-banned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paradise_Chronicle_warned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paradise_Chronicle_warned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3.7</span> <span>Paradise Chronicle warned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Paradise_Chronicle_warned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Amendments" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Amendments"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.4</span> <span>Amendments</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Amendments-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.4.1</span> <span>Motion: clarify scope of topic bans (February 2021)</span> </div> 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title="Special:Block/GPinkerton">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AGPinkerton">block log</a>)</span>, <i>filing party</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paradise_Chronicle" title="Special:Contributions/Paradise Chronicle">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Paradise_Chronicle" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Paradise Chronicle">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Paradise_Chronicle" title="Special:Log/Paradise Chronicle">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Paradise+Chronicle">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Paradise_Chronicle" title="Special:Block/Paradise Chronicle">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AParadise+Chronicle">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Levivich" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Levivich">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Levivich" title="Special:Log/Levivich">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Levivich">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Levivich" title="Special:Block/Levivich">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ALevivich">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">عمرو بن كلثوم</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:Contributions/عمرو بن كلثوم">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:DeletedContributions/عمرو بن كلثوم">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:Log/عمرو بن كلثوم">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88+%D8%A8%D9%86+%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:Block/عمرو بن كلثوم">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3A%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88+%D8%A8%D9%86+%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Attar-Aram_syria" title="User:Attar-Aram syria">Attar-Aram syria</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Attar-Aram_syria" title="User talk:Attar-Aram syria">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Attar-Aram_syria" title="Special:Contributions/Attar-Aram syria">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Attar-Aram_syria" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Attar-Aram syria">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Attar-Aram_syria" title="Special:Log/Attar-Aram syria">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Attar-Aram+syria">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Attar-Aram_syria" title="Special:Block/Attar-Aram syria">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AAttar-Aram+syria">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Thepharoah17" title="User:Thepharoah17">Thepharoah17</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thepharoah17" title="User talk:Thepharoah17">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17" title="Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Thepharoah17" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Thepharoah17">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Thepharoah17" title="Special:Log/Thepharoah17">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Thepharoah17">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Thepharoah17" title="Special:Block/Thepharoah17">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3AThepharoah17">block log</a>)</span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:Contributions/Supreme Deliciousness">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:DeletedContributions/Supreme Deliciousness">deleted contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:Log/Supreme Deliciousness">logs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Supreme+Deliciousness">filter log</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:Block/Supreme Deliciousness">block user</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog%2Fblock&page=User%3ASupreme+Deliciousness">block log</a>)</span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Prior_dispute_resolution" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prior_dispute_resolution-Case_information"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prior_dispute_resolution-Case_information"></span>Prior dispute resolution<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prior_dispute_resolution-Case_information"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Prior dispute resolution"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_191#Tell_Abyad" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 191">Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_191#Tell_Abyad</a> (filed by Paradise Chronicle)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_317#Is_a_book_by_the_PhD_candidate_Mustafa_Hamza_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_a_Syrian_Kurdistan?" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 317">Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_317#Is_a_book_by_the_PhD_candidate_Mustafa_Hamza_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_a_Syrian_Kurdistan?</a> (filed by Paradise Chronicle)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_86#PhD_candidate_as_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_Syrian_Kurdistan_against_the_views_of_multiple_professors_stating_otherwise?" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 86">Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_86#PhD_candidate_as_a_reliable_source_for_a_denial_of_Syrian_Kurdistan_against_the_views_of_multiple_professors_stating_otherwise?</a> (filed by Paradise Chronicle)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#User:عمرو_بن_كلثوم_and_Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#User:عمرو_بن_كلثوم_and_Syrian_Kurdistan</a> (filed by GPinkerton)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Unequivocal_TENDENTIOUS_editing_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم_on_Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Unequivocal_TENDENTIOUS_editing_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم_on_Syrian_Kurdistan</a> (filed by GPinkerton)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Syrian_Kurdistan,_at_war_again" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Syrian_Kurdistan,_at_war_again</a> (filed by GPinkerton)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Supreme_Deliciousness_and_WP:TENDENTIOUS_editing_on_Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052#Supreme_Deliciousness_and_WP:TENDENTIOUS_editing_on_Syrian_Kurdistan</a> (filed by GPinkerton)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive327#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive327">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive327#Intractable_problem_still_unaddressed_and_unabated;_administrator_action_deficient</a> (filed by GPinkerton)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive328#Advice_re:_would_we_need_a_new_admin?" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive328">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive328#Advice_re:_would_we_need_a_new_admin?</a> (filed by <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>) <ul><li>and section: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive328#ARC_or_ARCA?" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive328">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive328#ARC_or_ARCA?</a> (filed by Levivich)</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive328#Admin_introducing_source_restriction" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive328">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive328#Admin_introducing_source_restriction</a> (filed by SupremeDeliciousness)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Preliminary_statements" data-mw-thread-id="h-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span>Preliminary statements<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Preliminary statements"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_GPinkerton" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_GPinkerton-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_GPinkerton-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span>Statement by GPinkerton<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_GPinkerton-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Statement by GPinkerton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_GPinkerton"></span>User:Paradise Chronicle</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">User:Levivich</a>, and I have run into difficulty in a content dispute with editors with whom it has become clear there are conduct and POV-pushing issues; namely the other parties identified in this case. It has become clear that though <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a> is covered by the General Sanctions applied to the <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War" class="mw-redirect" title="Syrian Civil War">Syrian Civil War</a> articles, the issues with it and numerous Kurdish-related pages across the Near/Middle East fall outside the direct remit of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SCW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SCW">WP:SCW</a> sanctions, which have proven unable to resolve the project-wide dispute. Numerous editors have received blocks for their contributions to this topic (including myself, including for having raised multiple ANI reports on the subject). Meanwhile the disruption has continued, as evidenced by the numerous diffs collected by interested parties at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds</a>, with accompanying disruption: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds&diff=prev&oldid=997272417">this edit for example</a>. </p><p>The geopolitical "Kurdish Question" has long been salient in international politics. Kurdistan, the cultural homeland of the Kurds, spans four modern states (Syria, Turkey, Iran, Iraq) and the Kurds are a repressed minority long subjected to state suppression, including 20th-century military offensives, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Problem behaviours have included: </p> <ol><li>denying the existence of a (Syrian) Kurdistan.</li> <li>erasure or "whitewashing" historical events, including denial of ethnic cleansing in the Arab Belt.</li> <li>removing well-sourced mentions of matters relating to Kurds.</li> <li>removing mentions of Kurdish populations and names, including moving articles to non-Kurdish place names (such as those changed under the Arab Belt).</li> <li>using unreliable sources to contradict academic sources.</li> <li>quoting selectively, misquoting, and misrepresenting sources.</li></ol> <p>On the Syrian Kurdistan page (and elsewhere), editors have been seeking to deny that the Arab Nationalist <a href="/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party" title="Ba'ath Party">Ba'ath Party</a> perpetrated a campaign of <i>ethnic cleansing</i> known as the "<a href="/wiki/Arab_Belt" class="mw-redirect" title="Arab Belt">Arab Belt</a>" in Syrian Kurdistan, and moreover, have questioned that the existence of the place, in the face of numerous reliable sources. (In Iraq, the same party later organized the <a href="/wiki/Anfal_genocide" class="mw-redirect" title="Anfal genocide">Anfal genocide</a>.) Editors (particularly <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">User:عمرو بن كلثوم</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">User:Supreme Deliciousness</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Thepharoah17" title="User:Thepharoah17">User:Thepharoah17</a>) argue that the historically Kurdish-majority borderlands of Syria and bordering <a href="/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan" title="Iraqi Kurdistan">Iraqi Kurdistan</a> and <a href="/wiki/Turkish_Kurdistan" title="Turkish Kurdistan">Turkish Kurdistan</a> were not historically populated by Kurds until the post-WWI <a href="/wiki/French_Mandate_of_Syria" class="mw-redirect" title="French Mandate of Syria">French Mandate of Syria</a>. </p><p>This conduct is beyond the pale in light of the well-attested fact that the national socialist Ba'ath Party's <a href="/wiki/Arab_Belt" class="mw-redirect" title="Arab Belt">Arab Belt</a> ethnic cleansing plan in the newly renamed <a href="/wiki/Second_Syrian_Republic" title="Second Syrian Republic">Syrian <i>Arab</i> Republic</a>, denied Kurds' civil rights on the fictitious grounds that they were illegal 20th-century immigrants escaping persecution in the Turkish Republic; this exclusion endured until the Civil War. From the 1960s on, it has been a central myth of Syrian Arab nationalism that Kurds do not belong within Syria's modern borders and that Syrian Kurdistan is a figment of Kurdish nationalists' imagination: there is evidence of propagation of this idea on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Talk:Syrian Kurdistan">Talk:Syrian Kurdistan</a> and on many other articles. This is akin to Holocaust denial. <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPinkerton" title="User talk:GPinkerton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_GPinkerton" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_GPinkerton"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_GPinkerton"></span> </p> <hr/> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-13T15:13:00.000Z-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span>First, in light of the contributions of others, the statements of <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> look <s>faintly ridiculous</s> demonstrably untrue. <span style="font-size:85%;">(<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r920966791">.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps{font-variant:small-caps}.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps-smaller{font-size:85%}</style><span class="smallcaps">edit:</span> modified statement for neutrality)</span> My block and topic ban should be overturned.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Second, to clarify to <a href="/wiki/User:Sems%C3%BBr%C3%AE" title="User:Semsûrî">Semsûrî</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL">MJL</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Sixula" title="User:Sixula">Sixula</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a>: it it was never my intention to limit the scope of the request to Syrian Kurdistan; the request covers the Kurds, Kurdistan, the Kurdish Question, Kurdish nationalism, Kurdish terrorism, persecutions of Kurds, and all Kurdish history. It should include Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, as well as Syria, and should also cover Kurdish minorities elsewhere, Kurdish political parties, Kurdish organizations, and the non-Kurdish minorities of the wider Kurdistan region. I linked the subpage (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds</a>) in the request above; it details many pages, beyond Syrian Kurdistan, that have been subject to problematic editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> have already contributed to it, and that page has itself been subject to disruption.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Issues as diverse as the Armenian genocide (there was significant Kurdish involvement), the Gulf Wars (persecutions of the Kurds by the Ba'ath Party was a factor), and the recent Nagorno-Karabakh War (pro-Turkish militants from Syrian Kurdistan <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-55238803">were, despite Turkish denials, deployed by the Turkish-Azeri side</a>; Armenia was accused of employing Kurdish mercenaries) should unquestionably be under the Committee's eye. The results of long-standing <a href="/wiki/Denial_of_Kurds_by_Turkey" title="Denial of Kurds by Turkey">denial of Kurds by Turkey</a> (as "mountain Turks") deserves no different treatment than the <a href="/wiki/Anfal_genocide" class="mw-redirect" title="Anfal genocide">Anfal genocide</a> or the <a href="/wiki/Arab_Belt" class="mw-redirect" title="Arab Belt">Arab Belt</a> ethnic cleansing policy; none of these is covered by the Syrian Civil War sanctions at present. <a href="/wiki/Nusaybin" title="Nusaybin">Nusaybin</a> needs to be in scope as much as <a href="/wiki/Qamishli" title="Qamishli">Qamishli</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kirkuk" title="Kirkuk">Kirkuk</a> as much as <a href="/wiki/Afrin,_Syria" title="Afrin, Syria">Afrin</a>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Third, thanks to <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> for notifying me. I note that some parties have exceeded their word limit. <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPinkerton" title="User talk:GPinkerton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-GPinkerton-2021-01-13T15:13:00.000Z-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-13T15:13:00.000Z-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GPinkerton-2021-01-13T15:13:00.000Z-GPinkerton-2021-01-06T07:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Paradise Chronicle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Statement by Paradise Chronicle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle"></span>I was going to request a case myself but on the wider Kurdish issue. The Kurdish issue is really in need of an ArbCom Case. That the topic banned but really influential editor (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Syrian%20Kurdistan">leading editor</a>) in the article Syrian Kurdistan, GPinkerton chose this way to be able to take part in the discussion, is understandable. How to describe or even if the Kurds should be described on Wikipedia is a long lasting conflict (not only content dispute, but behavioral issue and dispute) and there can be provided similar diffs as extensively presented in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds</a> for a way longer time span if needed. The issues presented for Syrian Kurdistan are clearly relevant and often also count for the Kurdish issue in general.<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z-Statement_by_Paradise_Chronicle"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"></span>El C</a>, I also support a case on the wider Kurdish issue.<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-06T14:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z"></span>Hi dear ArbCom committee, as I have written before, I was working on a case on my own (together with Levivich) until GPinkerton made a move before us. Under <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle/ArbComCase" title="User:Paradise Chronicle/ArbComCase">User:Paradise Chronicle/ArbComCase</a> you can see the preparations for it. I has some more diffs added than the one of GPinkerton and a broader case on the Kurdish issue can be made out of it. You can also merge the two cases. If you want us to further work on a case, we'll prepare a case you can accept. The Kurdish issue is really in need of a case, we (Paradise Chronicle, Levivich and GPinkerton) would be able to participate in a case constructively with sources and diffs and also have quite a good knowledge on where there are issues which need a solution. I know, the fact that GPinkerton filed the request faces some opposition, but he can really provide a lot of diffs and sources to the discussion.<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-07T23:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z"></span>On the Holocaust or Genocide link of the Kurdish issue: It is something different, but it deserves a similar Admin/Sysop attention. Nor the Jews or the Armenians had to face a denial of their ethnicity by the country they were living in. But generations of Syrians and Turks were raised up to University levels that Kurds don't exist (or are still educated in this way) and there of course exist Wikipedia editors who where raised in such an environment. It is normal that there exist editors who deny there exist Kurds in a certain part of the world or deny the existence of a Kurdistan. One statement in this very discussion, clearly shows that there exist such editors. What we can do on Wikipedia is to educate them that they exist, and this we can do by forcing them to accept reliable often cited academic scholarship and not erase anything for OR or unsourced. But this, Admins/Sysops also must be willing to enforce, which is really seldmomly the case, which can also be observed in this very discussion here. At times Admins enforce it, and those admins get some praise by me, but it would be good that the existence of Kurds, Kurdish language and Kurdistan would become something we don't have to source like we also don't have to source it for other nations or languages. I've been discussing this Kurdish issue with admins and editors for months and sincerely I am getting tired of it. It is not my job to to clean up this mess, it is the Admins job and it is really easy to clean it up. Admins restrict editors rights for bludgeoning or a sometimes not even violated 1RR rule but not for the persistent denial of a cultural region against academic scholarship? It is clear a Kurdish ArbCom Case is due but the will by the ArbCom must be there.<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-08T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-12T20:25:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z"></span>Seeing the several participants of the discussion mentioning that they prefer a broader Kurdish case (like mine). What do you suggest? Should I file <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle/ArbComCase#ArbCom_Case_on_the_Kurdish_issue">this</a> one? I don't want to cause a confusion by adding a similar second case to the first one, so I'll wait for comments.<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User talk:Paradise Chronicle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-12T20:25:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-12T20:25:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-12T20:25:00.000Z-Paradise_Chronicle-2021-01-09T07:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Levivich" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Levivich-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Levivich-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Levivich<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Levivich-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Statement by Levivich"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span>Not much to add other than that the stuff at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Talk:Syrian Kurdistan">Talk:Syrian Kurdistan</a> isn't a content dispute (and I really don't understand how anyone can think it is). TBANs are long overdue. A dozen ANI threads hasn't fixed this. Half a dozen editors already sanctioned. Admins divided. And it continues every day. Asking whether Syrian Kurds exist is like asking whether German Jews exist. I'm embarrassed by my colleagues who treat this question as if it were a legitimate question. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-06T16:21:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span>I would appreciate it if <a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> would stop <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ADMINSHOPPING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ADMINSHOPPING">WP:ADMINSHOPPING</a> for sanctions against myself and others, at least while this case request is open <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Guerillero&diff=prev&oldid=997799971">[1]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:El_C&diff=prev&oldid=998626385">[2]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Valereee&diff=prev&oldid=998925261">[3]</a>. Concerns about conduct in this area (my own or others) should be centralized here. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/999596413" title="Special:Diff/999596413"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T02:30:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"></span>This</a> is ridiculous: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">You and Valereee seem to be friends, so you being an arbitrator in the Syrian Kurdistan case would be a conflict of interest. You should resign from the case and give that role to someone else. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)</q> <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-12T02:30:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T02:30:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T02:30:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span>I agree the proper scope of the dispute is "Kurds and Kurdistan", not just "Syrian Kurdistan". (Kurdistan includes parts of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia.) <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle/ArbComCase" title="User:Paradise Chronicle/ArbComCase">User:Paradise Chronicle/ArbComCase</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Kurds" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds</a> include examples of Kurd-related disruption outside of Syria, and even outside of Kurdistan. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a>:</span> I noticed you've accepted with a scope of "Kurds" and BDD's comment about "and Kurdistan" being redundant. In my view it's not redundant because there are articles involved in this disruption about topics that relate to "Kurdistan" but not "Kurds". For example, <a href="/wiki/Yazidis" title="Yazidis">Yazidis</a> (which El_C mentioned in his statement), or conflicts between (any combination of) Turks, Arabs, and ISIS, that happen in Kurdistan but don't directly involve Kurds (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93ISIL_conflict" class="mw-redirect" title="Turkey–ISIL conflict">Turkey–ISIL conflict</a>, which include events in <a href="/wiki/Turkish_Kurdistan" title="Turkish Kurdistan">Turkish Kurdistan</a> and <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a>). There are certainly logical reasons behind setting the scope at "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurds and Kurdistan", whatever you decide, I just wanted to highlight the difference between "Kurds" and "Kurds and Kurdistan". <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-09T04:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span>If this case is accepted, will it be with the named parties? What is the procedure for seeking to add parties? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z-Statement_by_Levivich"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, BK. <del>I will post a request to add a party in the next few hours</del>. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T20:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Levivich-2021-01-13T00:42:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span>Nevermind, after reviewing diffs, I'm not going to request adding any parties. <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Levivich" title="User talk:Levivich">harass</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Levivich" title="Special:Contributions/Levivich">hound</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Levivich-2021-01-13T00:42:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Levivich-2021-01-13T00:42:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Levivich-2021-01-13T00:42:00.000Z-Levivich-2021-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z"><span id="Statement_by_.D8.B9.D9.85.D8.B1.D9.88_.D8.A8.D9.86_.D9.83.D9.84.D8.AB.D9.88.D9.85"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Statement by عمرو بن كلثوم<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Statement by عمرو بن كلثوم"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"></span>My first reaction to this case is really shock to see it come from an "editor" with so many problematic behavior issues across a wide topic of areas. There has been a case against them almost every month at the at the ANB, with the last one being <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=990730782&oldid=990717763&title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_to_take_action_against_User:GPinkerton">this lengthy discussion</a> about their <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND">WP:BATTLEGROUND</a> behavior in at least eight different articles covering a wide range of topics (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Holocaust_in_Bulgaria" class="mw-redirect" title="Holocaust in Bulgaria">Holocaust in Bulgaria</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bulgaria_during_World_War_II" title="Bulgaria during World War II">Bulgaria during World War II</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hagia_Sophia" title="Hagia Sophia">Hagia Sophia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty" title="Murder of Samuel Paty">Murder of Samuel Paty</a>, etc.). This case is just another piece of evidence confirming that. Their edit-warring behavior is complemented with a very aggressive personal attack attitude. See these examples they wrote against me: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=990465075&oldid=990460598">here</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988131365">here</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988133792">here</a>. Their Talk page is full with warnings about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">WP:Edit warring</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">WP:Civility</a> issues. Warning and cases are just too many to count, but here are some recent examples: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:IvanVector" class="mw-redirect" title="User:IvanVector">IvanVector</a> gave them a <b>final warning</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=990053455">here</a> on 22 Nov. but they kept going with their personal attack behavior such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=990460598&oldid=990453739">here on 24 Nov.</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=990706605&oldid=990705796">here on 26 Nov.</a>.</li> <li>A series of warnings by <a href="/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit">Girth Summit</a> (who moderated the <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a> content dispute) <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=990741217">here on 26 Nov.</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=990741604">here on 26 Nov.</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=991011293">here on 27 Nov</a></li></ul> <p>They were indeffed by <a href="/wiki/User:Guerillero" title="User:Guerillero">Guerillero</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=992300547&oldid=992020221">here on 4 Dec.</a> but then the block was converted to a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=992967111&oldid=992965571">tban of Middle East post 1453</a>, which of course that they never respected. Here are some warnings after the indef was lifted and during the tban: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a>: a series of warnings <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=997311213&oldid=997299364">here on 30 Dec.</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=997349340">here on 31 Dec.</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=997353521">here on 31 Dec. too</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=997413613">here (same day)</a> reflecting on GPinkerton's behavior.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El C</a>: last warning one <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=998155429&oldid=997353521">here on Jan. 4</a>.</li></ul> <p>I think I'll stop here for now out of respect for your time, but the list really goes on and on. As for the content dispute, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=998618978&oldid=998613465">this lengthy difference</a> gives you an idea (no need to post walls of text here). Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-06T10:03:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"></span>One does not have look elsewhere to see crystal clear the politically-motivated POV-pushing mentality that is driving this case and the edits by GPinkerton and Levivich. The last paragraph in GPinkerton's statement above shows that they are here to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS">right great wrongs</a>. Likewise, Levivich above says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Asking whether Syrian Kurds exist is like asking whether German Jews exist.</q> See the admin comments about Levivich's claims/behavior <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=998617688#Admin_introducing_source_restriction">at this page</a> such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=998074388&oldid=998073693">this comment</a> from <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe Roe</a>. On that same page you can also see the comments by <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El C</a> regarding the Holocaust and Palestine/Israel analogy pushed by GPinkerton and Levivich.</dd></dl> <p>Let me be clear here, nobody here agrees with human rights violations coming from any side (including the Syrian government), and nobody is saying Kurds do not exist in Syria. Actually, I challenge GPinkerton et al. to show evidence of their claims. However, this does not mean we can change or delete historical facts to suit our political beliefs as Levivich and GPinkerton have done at the Syrian Kurdistan page. Based on their political convictions, GPinkerton and Levivich have changed text to present "Syrian Kurdistan" and "rojava" as non-disputed terms. Of course some people call the area Syrian Kurdistan, but many more refer to it as "Kurdish-inhabited area" or Kurdish-populated area, Kurdish enclaves in Syria (ready to present quotes and references upon request). Here is an excerpt from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Routledge_Handbook_on_the_Kurds/XjZ7DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0">Michael Gunter (2018)</a>, one of the Kurdish studies experts, regarding the use of these terms: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">The most obvious political consequence of these dynamics was the adoption by some Kurdish parties of the expression "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Rojava", referring to Northern Syria, as opposed to the moderate, "Kurdish regions of Syria".</q>. You may want to see how Levivich <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=997892298&oldid=997695226">removed massive amounts of text</a> showing French mandate ethnic census numbers as well as British and French scholarship on Kurdish immigration and ethnographic maps showing the demographics of that area. To further debunk this conspiracy theory pushed by GPinkerton et al., none of the references used in that article about Kurdish population history in Syria is even Arab or Syrian, let alone Baathist. See <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=998618978&oldid=998613465">my edit at ANB</a> showing several quotes from western sources on the Kurdish immigration issue that Levivich et al. love to call conspiracy theory or Baathism inventions, etc., and have been removing or trying to hide any reference to that in the Syrian Kurdistan page. You may also want to see the grey literature and whitewashing and the type of sources used in the articles about Kurds in Syria (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria" title="Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria">Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria</a>, <a href="/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_AANES" title="Human rights in the AANES">Human rights in the AANES</a>, <a href="/wiki/Rojava_conflict" title="Rojava conflict">Rojava conflict</a>, etc.). Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z-Statement_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z"></span>El C</a>: thanks for the catch and sorry for the miswording (too many ideas jumping around in my head :)). Corrected that now. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-13T02:20:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z"></span>The comments we are seeing here and on other boards from the filers show exactly their POV-pushing agenda and the roots of some of the problems WP is dealing with in this topic. <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Kurdistan includes parts of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia</q>, what's next? A German Kurdistan? There are/might be Kurds living in these areas, and into Russia too, but does that warrant claiming an "Armenian Kurdistan", meaning/implying an <b>exclusive</b> land of the Kurds? These three editors mix between Kurdish-inhabited areas, where Kurds and significant numbers of other people live together, and Kurdistan proper. Based on that, they have decided to adopt the most extreme nationalistic narrative of Kurdistan borders and maps. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://brill.com/view/title/16475">This academic book</a> shows how what's called "Turkish Kurdistan" today, in a big part was Armenian homeland or mixed Armenian, Kurdish and Arab lands. Here is another Armenian study. This academic quote from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/16390538.pdf">Zeynep Kaya (2012)</a> exposes the POV-pushing narrative of the filers of this case (and the content dispute we are dealing with): <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">Although it is well established that these maps overlook the heterogeneous character of the population inhabiting the area as well as the political boundaries of the existing states, they appear in almost all types of sources, from Kurdish websites to non-Kurdish academic works, journals and newspapers. They typically refer to the region as <b>‘Kurdish populated areas’ or the ‘Kurdish region’</b>.</q> Bold font is mine to show the difference between a generally-accepted term (still, not very neutral) <b>Kurdish populated areas</b> vs the wild, POV-pushing name imposed by GPinkerton, Levivich and Paradise "Syrian Kurdistan", that means/implies "exclusive land of the Kurds" AGAINST editors' consensus at that specific Talk page. Also, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=998533869">this comment</a> from Levivich about calling editors racist POV-pushers was tolerated by admins. Here is a concise, all-telling quote from the "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=qgKE_-HtfoAC&q=kurds+in+Syria&pg=PA475">Companion to the History of the Middle East</a>" about the Kurdish immigration from Turkey to Syria that debunks GPinkerton and Levivich claims: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">The majority of the Kurds in Syria are originally Turkish Kurds, who left Turkey in the 1920s in order to escape the harsh repression of the Kurds in that country.</q> If you are looking for more details on this, I have listed several other sources (all western) giving specifics on this immigration <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=998618978&oldid=998613465">here</a> that Levivich had <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=997892298&oldid=997695226">removed from the Syrian Kurdistan page</a>. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-13T02:20:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-13T02:20:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-13T02:20:00.000Z-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-2021-01-09T04:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Attar-Aram syria<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Statement by Attar-Aram syria"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Attar-Aram_syria-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria"></span>This is a content dispute. Its baffling that the editor who started this is comparing the content dispute to <b>Holocaust denial</b>!!!.--<a href="/wiki/User:Attar-Aram_syria" title="User:Attar-Aram syria">Attar-Aram syria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Attar-Aram_syria" title="User talk:Attar-Aram syria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Attar-Aram_syria-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Attar-Aram_syria-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Attar-Aram_syria-2021-01-06T13:01:00.000Z-Statement_by_Attar-Aram_syria"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Thepharoah17" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Thepharoah17-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Thepharoah17-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Thepharoah17<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Thepharoah17-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Statement by Thepharoah17"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thepharoah17-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z-Statement_by_Thepharoah17"></span>As I have already stated, I am done and have no further interest in the Kurds issue. I still don't know a lot of features on Wikipedia such as an ArbCom or how to nominate an article for deletion. I just learned about the three revert rule a few days ago (not that I ever needed to know because I never edit warred). My main goal was to get rid of the Irish sockpuppet who repeatedly caused trouble in Northern Ireland issues and so decided to come here and cause this mess and I have achieved this goal. I will just say this for the record, though. This is maybe an idea you guys are missing. Kurdistan is a secular idea. It doesn't exist because it has no reason to exist. Most Kurds are Muslims. Why would Muslims want to separate from a Muslim nation? The ones who want an independent Kurdish state are the non-religious Kurds. The Ottoman Empire even gave Kurds their own province called the <a href="/wiki/Kurdistan_Eyalet" title="Kurdistan Eyalet">Kurdistan Eyalet</a>. Even when Erdogan said Turks and Kurds are brothers, he meant Turks and Kurds are both Muslims. See for example: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_of_Salah_al-Din_the_Kurd">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_of_Salah_al-Din_the_Kurd</a>. That's why there isn't really such thing as a Kurdish name. They're just either different pronunciations of the Arabic name or a translation. See for example: <a href="/wiki/Erbil" title="Erbil">Erbil</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ras_al-Ayn" title="Ras al-Ayn">Ras al-Ayn</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thepharoah17" title="User:Thepharoah17">Thepharoah17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thepharoah17" title="User talk:Thepharoah17">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Thepharoah17-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z-Statement_by_Thepharoah17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thepharoah17-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z-Statement_by_Thepharoah17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thepharoah17-2021-01-06T08:33:00.000Z-Statement_by_Thepharoah17"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Supreme Deliciousness<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Statement by Supreme Deliciousness"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span>GPinkerton is topic banned from making Middle East edits, so she is not allowed to file this, so it should be speedily closed and GPinkerton blocked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T09:20:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span>GPinkerton</a>, You forgot to mention <a href="/wiki/User:Konli17" title="User:Konli17">User:Konli17</a>, that was edit warring, and was the main disruption at the article, why didn't you mention him?--<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T09:20:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T09:20:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T09:20:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T08:06:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span>Cullen328</a>, There was large amount of edit warring before by a sockpuppet Konli17 adding fake maps into the article, but as soon as he and GPinkertion got banned the article got calm. There is still content disputes at the talkpage, <s>but I don't believe an arb case is necessary.</s> --<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T08:06:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T08:06:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T08:06:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span>Levivich</a>, no one ever said Syrian Kurds doesn't exist.--<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T07:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> The main problem at the Syrian Kurdistan article was a now blocked sock <a href="/wiki/User:Konli17" title="User:Konli17">User:Konli17</a> who kept on adding fake maps and edit warring/disrupting the article. Hes the one that started everything. The other main problem was GPinkerton who arrived at the article and also disrupted and edit warred and made it impossible to edit or have a normal discussion at the talkpage because of her behavior. </p><p>Take a look at this AN discussion to see the history of GPinkerton and all the disputes she has been involved in:<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1053#Proposal_to_take_action_against_User%3AGPinkerton">[4]</a>. Any topic she touches she wreaks havoc at. Syrian Kurdistan is just another one in her long list. She will continue on to other articles after and do the same thing there. Why anyone lifted her indef block is beyond me. Unfortunately GPinkertons current topic ban is only temporary and she will come back and continue her disruption at Syrian Kurdistan. As soon as GPinkerton and Konli17 was removed from the article it became calm. </p><p>The third and last problem is Levivich who with a newly implanted source restriction rule has veto power and has removed large amounts of undisputed historical information and maps. Anyone who disagrees to this will be blocked. The solution to fixing the problem at Syrian Kurdistan is easy: Permanent block GPinkerton from the topic area (and frankly from Wikipedia altogether as she will just continue disrupting another topic area) and remove the newly implanted source restriction rule at the Syrian Kurdistan article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-06T18:04:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-07T22:32:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span>Thinking about it a bit more. The problems will not go away. The incivility will return. The ability to file enforcement requests is needed.--<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-07T22:32:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-07T22:32:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-07T22:32:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-08T14:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> valereee is not telling the truth here:<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase&type=revision&diff=999082917&oldid=999082094">[5]</a> when she says: "I declared only recent scholarship was acceptable for disputed content", because user Levivich removed undisputed sourced content based on that the source was old, not because the content was disputed:<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=997964859&oldid=997962728">[6]</a>. And valereee accepted this:<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=998068157&oldid=998067256">[7]</a>. So it now "became disputed" because an editor used her new rule to "dispute" something, not because the content was disputed by another source. Basically giving unprecedented veto power to Levivich and other users to remove sourced and undisputed content out of the article. This has now led to large amounts of undisputed and well sourced historical information and historical maps being removed from the article, and no one dares to say anything against this in fear of getting blocked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-08T14:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-08T14:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Supreme_Deliciousness-2021-01-08T14:34:00.000Z-Statement_by_Supreme_Deliciousness"></span> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256395271">.mw-parser-output .hidden-archive{box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;width:100%;clear:both;text-align:center;padding:1px;margin:0.2em auto 0;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .hat-header{padding:0.25em 1em;line-height:1.5em;text-align:center;background-color:#f2dfce;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .hat-content{border:solid 1px silver;padding:8px;background-color:#fff4f2;color:inherit;text-align:left}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .hat-header{background-color:#492b13}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .hat-content{background-color:#391c19}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .hat-header{background-color:#492b13}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .hat-content{background-color:#391c19}}</style> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header">Preliminary statements by uninvolved editors. </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Cullen328" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Cullen328-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Cullen328-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Cullen328<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Cullen328-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Statement by Cullen328"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Cullen328"></span>GPinkerton fails to make the case that this is anything other than a routine content dispute. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328"><b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328"><span style="color:#00F"><i>Let's discuss it</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Cullen328-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Cullen328" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Cullen328"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-2021-01-06T07:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Cullen328"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ymblanter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ymblanter-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ymblanter-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Ymblanter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ymblanter-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Statement by Ymblanter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ymblanter-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ymblanter"></span>I am not in any way involved in this dispute, and I do not see what ArbCom can do here at this point. However, the area was recently put under community general sanctions (added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Syrian_Civil_War_and_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant" title="Wikipedia:General sanctions/Syrian Civil War and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant">Wikipedia:General sanctions/Syrian Civil War and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant</a>), which have caused some amount of controversy (see the AN discussion cited above, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Admin_introducing_source_restriction" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Admin_introducing_source_restriction</a>). It might help if the case get resolved by motion and standard discretionary sanctions in the area get introduced. This will not significantly change the situation, but will make more clear who may do what and which are enforcement and appeal avenues.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Ymblanter-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ymblanter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ymblanter-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ymblanter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ymblanter-2021-01-06T14:23:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ymblanter"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_El_C" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_El_C-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_El_C-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Statement by El_C<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_El_C-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Statement by El_C"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"></span>I'm not sure how practical this may be, but long before the flareup at Syrian Kurdistan, I've been calling for a sanctions regime that would encompass the <a href="/wiki/Kurds" title="Kurds">Kurds</a> topic area, overall. Note, for example, the Kurdish-related disruption on the part of <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emblemmor">Emblemmor</a></span> whom I've just indeffed mere minutes ago after <a href="/wiki/User:Sems%C3%BBr%C3%AE" title="User:Semsûrî">Semsûrî</a> brought their disruption to my attention. Not to put you on the spot, Semsûrî, but I invite you to summarize to the Committee some of the problems that you have been forced to deal with in the topic area for such a long time. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sems%C3%BBr%C3%AE" title="User:Semsûrî"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Semsûrî</a>, I just recall that we tried to get a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GS">General sanctions</a> regime to cover the topic area, but that we didn't get enough traction to see it through, though I forget the exact reason of why the proposal failed (I believe <a href="/wiki/User:EdJohnston" title="User:EdJohnston">EdJohnston</a> also participated, perhaps he remembers). Right, in 2019, there was indeed massive disruption largely pertaining to <a href="/wiki/Kurmanji#Ezdîkî_and_Yazidi_politics" title="Kurmanji">Ezdîkî and Yazidi politics</a>. I suppose what I'm advocating here is for the Committee to issue a blanket <a href="/wiki/Kurds" title="Kurds">Kurds</a>-related <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACDS">DS</a>, which among other things would cover Syrian Kurdistan and more. This way we can have better enforcement for any future Kurdish-related disruption, disruption which could emerge on a number of different fronts. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z"></span>Except for me, everyone here are mostly focused on this particular Syrian Kurdistan dispute (in the context of the SCW GS, and so on), which of course makes perfect sense. Nevertheless, I still wish to stress to the Committee that there is a unique Kurdish common thread to many other disputes which, again, tend to arise on a number of different fronts. Yes, Syrian Kurdistan is the locus here, but other Kurds-related disruption has happened before and is likely to happen again. Like on the Kurdish-Turkish front; on the Kurdish-Iraqi front; on the Kurdish-Iranian front; on the overall national aspirations of Greater Kurdistan; on the diaspora (like, for example, the million plus Kurds who reside in Germany); on the ethnic front, including various related ethnic groups; on the linguistic front, like with Kurmanji and other Kurdish dialects. In short, while I do realize that proposing a blanket Kurds-centred DS may immediately seem like a bit of an overreach, ultimately, I still think going wide is the way to go here as far as the scope of any sanctions regime the Committee might venture to entertain. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-06T19:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z"></span>Barkeep49</a>, here are two indeffs from yesterday: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emblemmor#Indefinite_block" title="User talk:Emblemmor">User talk:Emblemmor#Indefinite_block</a> and <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meysam#Indefinite_block" title="User talk:Meysam">User_talk:Meysam#Indefinite_block</a> (brought to my attention <a href="/wiki/User_talk:El_C#Removal_of_info_on_various_pages" title="User talk:El C">here</a>) pertaining to <a href="/wiki/Kurds_in_Iran" title="Kurds in Iran">Kurds in Iran</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-07T21:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a>, above you write that: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">On that same page you can also see the comments about the Holocaust and Palestine/Israel analogy pushed by GPinkerton and Levivich, some of them by El C.</q> Thanks for the ping, but I don't actually understand why you use the word "push" when referring to my comments. I basically said two things in that discussion thread: 1. That I did not like for the Holocaust to be used as an analogy in this instance (Levivich then agreed). And 2. That my own sense is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has received far greater scrutiny on the project due to it being much more well known in the "general zeitgeist than the Kurds are." So, I still stand behind both positions. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-08T04:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم</a>, thanks — I appreciate you correcting the wording there. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-09T04:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-01-09T04:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T06:44:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"></span>Worm That Turned</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a>, I can't speak for other admins, but to me, the main advantage of a wide Kurds-centred DS, mostly revolves around having <a href="/wiki/T:DSA" class="mw-redirect" title="T:DSA">DS alerts</a> available. It'd be a time saver, serving as a simple reference point to inform users that the topic area is fraught. Otherwise, myself at least, I don't really <i>need</i> to have a DS to be able to handle the disruption effectively. I mean, a lack of DS (or GS) didn't really prevent me from blocking tens and tens of disruptive users or from protecting close to 100 related pages during the peak of the disruption in 2019 and early 2020. But, I may not be around to help with the next big flareup, and sorry if this sounds arrogant, but other admins may not be as confident in taking decisive action without this extra <i>discretion</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-El_C-2021-01-09T06:44:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2021-01-09T06:44:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2021-01-09T06:44:00.000Z-Statement_by_El_C"></span> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Semsûrî" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Semsûrî-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z"><span id="Statement_by_Sems.C3.BBr.C3.AE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Semsûrî-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Semsûrî<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Semsûrî-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Statement by Semsûrî"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Semsûrî-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z-Statement_by_Semsûrî"></span>[In response to El_C:] The massive disruption and vandalism throughout all of 2019 and perhaps into last year has dwindled down to sporadic disruption. I could make a thorough summarization but most of it wasn't actually pertaining to Kurdish topics in Syria but everything else. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sems%C3%BBr%C3%AE" title="User:Semsûrî">Semsûrî</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sems%C3%BBr%C3%AE" title="User talk:Semsûrî">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Semsûrî-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z-Statement_by_Semsûrî" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Semsûrî-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z-Statement_by_Semsûrî"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Semsûrî-2021-01-06T18:35:00.000Z-Statement_by_Semsûrî"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Valereee" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Valereee-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Valereee-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Valereee<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Valereee-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Statement by Valereee"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Valereee"></span>I'm a bit bemused that anyone familiar with what's been going on at Talk:Syrian Kurdistan for the last several months would consider this a routine content dispute, but really admins could use some tools there (and based on the issues there, I'm assuming at other Kurd-related topics). If arbcom can help with that, I'd urge them to take the case. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Valereee" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Valereee"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z-Statement_by_Valereee"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:41:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a>, frankly if the committee would like to weigh in on what <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">ARBPIA-equivalent discretionary sanctions and 1RR are in force on "all pages related to the Syrian Civil War and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, broadly construed"</span> and <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Any uninvolved administrator is authorised to place: revert and move restrictions, interaction bans, topic bans, and blocks of up to one year in duration, or other reasonable measures that the enforcing administrator believes are necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project</span> means, I'd find it helpful.</dd> <dd>For those who haven't been watching at the article talk and AN, after weeks of watching multiple editors arguing a particular POV ad nauseam from primary documents, old sources, and news stories when the subject is thoroughly and amply covered in recent scholarship in the academic press, I declared only recent scholarship was acceptable for disputed content because I thought it fell under 'other reasonable measures' and I believed it was both necessary and proportionate. The move has received mixed reviews. I still think it's reasonable, necessary and proportionate, but for me personally and probably admins working at other articles in the area it would be helpful to know whether the committee agree, don't agree, or doesn't want to comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:41:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:41:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:41:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>(ec) @<a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a>, yes, that's the sanction in question. There's been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Admin_introducing_source_restriction" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">discussion at AN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T11:53:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T13:42:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>I agree with EI C that a broader topic than simply Syrian Kurdistan is needed. I've seen similar complaints about POV pushing at multiple article talks related to the Kurds. The editors in the general topic of SCW are just convinced their own understanding of the situation is the literal truth and there are enough of them and they're so willing to argue forever that it wears out more-neutral editors. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-08T13:42:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T13:42:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-08T13:42:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-09T19:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>EI C, I don't think it sounds arrogant. I was reluctant to p-block even three editors if I could find any other solution. It just seemed like a lot of blocking when I was the only one making the decision. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-09T19:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-09T19:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-09T19:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-2021-01-16T21:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a>, just as an FYI, an editor <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1000745390#Question_2" title="Special:PermanentLink/1000745390">has asked</a> that the recent attempt at a solution be removed because of <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1000514025#Admin_introducing_source_restriction" title="Special:PermanentLink/1000514025">discussion at AN</a>, which they're interpreting as not supporting. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">—valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Valereee-2021-01-16T21:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-2021-01-16T21:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-2021-01-16T21:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-01-06T21:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Question_by_MJL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_by_MJL-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_by_MJL-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"></span>Question by MJL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_by_MJL-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Question by MJL"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z-Question_by_MJL"></span>The only question I have is <i>if</i> there is a larger Kurd-related sanction, would it include geographically related ethnic groups like the <a href="/wiki/Assyrian_people" title="Assyrian people">Assyrians</a>/Arameans/Syriacs [a topic which involves a smaller but more long-standing dispute about their identity), the Turks in Northern Kurdistan (or even just Turkey per a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Eastern_Europe" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment">recent ARCA</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/998738826#Clarification_request:_Eastern_Europe" title="Special:PermanentLink/998738826">permalink</a>), and the <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Turkmen" title="Syrian Turkmen">Syrian Turkmen</a> (not to forget about them)? –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Connecticut" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z-Question_by_MJL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z-Question_by_MJL"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z-Question_by_MJL"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-2021-01-16T23:55:00.000Z-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"></span>While no one addressed me or my question directly, I am going to go with the assumption that this case will <i>not</i> involve related ethnic groups per <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/999981696" title="Special:Diff/999981696">this edit</a> from <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> in response to <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a>'s <a href="#Statement_by_Levivich">analysis above</a>. I occasionally edit in the field of Assyrian matters, and I would be somewhat irritated if I had returned just to find that the <i><a href="/wiki/Seyfo" class="mw-redirect" title="Seyfo">Seyfo</a></i> was under a new discretionary sanction regime. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Connecticut" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-MJL-2021-01-16T23:55:00.000Z-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-2021-01-16T23:55:00.000Z-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-2021-01-16T23:55:00.000Z-MJL-2021-01-07T00:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_The_Bushranger" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_The_Bushranger-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_The_Bushranger-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"></span>Statement by The Bushranger<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_The_Bushranger-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Statement by The Bushranger"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z-Statement_by_The_Bushranger"></span>While it's obvious there are problems, quite possibly major ones, in this topic area, GPinkerton has a history of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLUDGEON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLUDGEON">bludegoning</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORUMSHOP">forum-shopping</a> on the topic, with demands for <i>immediate</i> action in a way that at one point, I believe, had <i>five</i> threads open at once on AN/I and AN and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPADE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPADE">quite frankly</a> only made the situation worse and <i>discouraged</i> action through their <a href="/wiki/Chicken_Little" class="mw-redirect" title="Chicken Little">sky-is-falling</a> franticness on the issue, as well as a seeming belief that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">only they</a> are capable <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RGW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RGW">of bringing to light this clear and present danger to the encyclopedia</a> - to the point it got them topic-banned <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=994258866#14_December">[8]</a>. As Valereee observes there is a case to be made (a strong one, perhaps even) that additional tools are needed to corral this topic area, and I absolutely believe that there are issues that need to have some editors hit with a <a href="/wiki/Template:Trout" title="Template:Trout">large trout</a>; however, I'm not entirely sure this is escalated to ArbCom yet, and I also absolutely believe that GPinkerton should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STICK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STICK">drop the stick</a> on this issue. (Furthermore, I find it <i>absolutely baffling</i> that a topic-banned editor is allowed to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEASEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEASEL">weasel</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKILAWYER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKILAWYER">around</a> that ban by jumping to ArbCom to demand action be taken on the topic they are banned from.) - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z-Statement_by_The_Bushranger" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z-Statement_by_The_Bushranger"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z-Statement_by_The_Bushranger"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"></span>Response to being called "ridiculous" by GPinkerton:</b> This is I'm afraid par for the course when it comes to discourse from this editor. The fact that someone can have a valid point but express it in a toxic fashion is, apparently, inconceivable. I would suggest they strike the comment as both being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">uncivil</a> and as being a wrong venue for demanding the removal of a topic ban. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-07T09:28:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-17T18:02:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z"></span>To GPinkerton:</b> I'll note that your regarding the main statement above as "demonstratably untrue" is quite odd since it says there <i>is probably</i> grounds for a case. Do you believe there <i>isn't</i> one? Or is your issue with the fact I (factually) described your previous actions to ensure Arbcom would be aware of them? Either way, I do appreciate the strikethrough and can live with your revised opinion. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-17T18:02:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-17T18:02:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2021-01-17T18:02:00.000Z-The_Bushranger-2021-01-16T23:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"><span id="Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_.28Syria_and_Kurdistan.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Robert McClenon (Syria and Kurdistan)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Statement by Robert McClenon (Syria and Kurdistan)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"></span>The community and the corps of administrators have taken action in this dispute, including imposing restrictions on the filing party, and by imposing <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War" class="mw-redirect" title="Syrian Civil War">Syrian Civil War</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GS">general sanctions</a>. The filing party asks the ArbCom to review those actions. I have in the past urged ArbCom to accept a case when there was some, even if not clear or convincing, evidence that ArbCom needed to act. I am in this case suggesting that ArbCom open a limited inquiry to determine whether the actions being taken by the community are effective, or whether ArbCom needs to open a full evidentiary case. </p><p>Discretionary sanctions and general sanctions are sometimes necessary to deal with areas that are subject to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND">battleground editing</a> because they are real battlegrounds. The <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War" class="mw-redirect" title="Syrian Civil War">Syrian Civil War</a> has been one of the bloodiest battlegrounds in the past decade. I advise ArbCom to open a limited inquiry into whether the actions by the community are effectively dealing with the battleground editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-07T18:30:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"></span> </p> <dl><dt>Comment in Response to GPinkerton</dt></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-13T23:56:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"></span>User:GPinkerton</a> says that the sanctions should include other issues related to <a href="/wiki/Kurdistan" title="Kurdistan">Kurdistan</a> and the Kurdish question, including the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Nagorno-Karabakh_Wars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Nagorno-Karabakh Wars (page does not exist)">Nagorno-Karabakh Wars</a>. ArbCom discretionary sanctions are already in effect for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBAA2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBAA2">Armenia and Azerbaijan</a>, precisely because that area is a real battleground, and they are broadly construed, so that they presumably include history such as the <a href="/wiki/Armenian_genocide" title="Armenian genocide">Armenian genocide</a>. What the ArbCom should consider is whether all of the existing sanctions are working effectively at controlling battleground editing, and whether the sanctions should be modified. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-13T23:56:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-13T23:56:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-2021-01-13T23:56:00.000Z-Statement_by_Robert_McClenon_(Syria_and_Kurdistan)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Sixula" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Sixula-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Sixula-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Sixula<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Sixula-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Statement by Sixula"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sixula-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"></span>I have been very roughly observing this for the past two months and it is clear there is a lot of tension. I've attempted to guide to a RfC and for mediation but none of the parties seemed incredibly willing and were more inclined to continue and widen the dispute. I urge ArbCom to take this case which is very clearly not just a content dispute but a wider issue. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Sixula" title="User:Sixula"><b>Sixula</b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sixula" title="User talk:Sixula"><i><b>Talk</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Sixula-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sixula-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sixula-2021-01-10T14:26:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sixula-2021-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"></span>Further comment, if it's possible to merge the two cases I strongly urge the case of Paradise Chronicle should be brought into this case.Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Sixula" title="User:Sixula"><b>Sixula</b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sixula" title="User talk:Sixula"><i><b>Talk</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Sixula-2021-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sixula-2021-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sixula-2021-01-13T00:14:00.000Z-Statement_by_Sixula"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ivanvector" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Ivanvector<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ivanvector-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Statement by Ivanvector"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ivanvector"></span>Noting here that I was pinged about the case. I strongly urge the committee to accept the case, to examine the serious and intractible behavioural issues underlying the content disputes in this topic area, which the community has spent an enormous amount of time on but has not been able to resolve. I am among a small number of editors who suggested this course of action, in my case because I feel the fact-finding and review structure of a full case is best suited to examine this dispute - the community discussions are nearly always overrun by partisan attacks and fail on editor fatigue. </p><p>I hope to be able to provide a more fulsome comment here and participate in a case, but I'm dealing with some off-wiki stuff right now so I'll have to check back later. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Ivanvector-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ivanvector" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ivanvector"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-2021-01-10T22:59:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ivanvector"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Nsk92" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Nsk92-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Nsk92-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Nsk92<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Nsk92-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Statement by Nsk92"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nsk92-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z-Statement_by_Nsk92"></span>I urge the committee to accept the case. The topic is simply crying out for the imposition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACDS">discretionary sanctions</a>. General sanctions available in the area have proven completely ineffective because the main cause of disruption here has been not incivility and edit warring but systemic long term tendentious editing and POV pushing by multiple users. In such situations the appropriate remedy is usually a topic ban and occasionally a page block. However, admins are <i>extremely loth</i> to take individual action on such entrenched POV disputes, and that has definitely been the case here. Reports at WP:AN/WP:ANI quickly degenerate into complete circus (just take a good look, and I mean a really good look, at the threads linked in this filing request) because participation is not limited to uninvolved editors and admins and the discussions get quickly poisoned by the main combatants themselves. In fact, uninvolved editors often prefer to stay away from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PLAGUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PLAGUE">WP:PLAGUE</a> threads of this kind. If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACDS">WP:ACDS</a> are made available, then reports can be filed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a>, where the decision making process is much more orderly. First, there a request can be made specifically for the imposition of a topic ban or a similar sanction, and such a request must then be adjudicated to a definitive conclusion. Second, the decisions are made by a group of uninvolved admins, and everybody else is consigned to a shouting gallery. That guarantees at least a degree of sanity for the process. <a href="/wiki/User:Nsk92" title="User:Nsk92">Nsk92</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nsk92" title="User talk:Nsk92">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Nsk92-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z-Statement_by_Nsk92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nsk92-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z-Statement_by_Nsk92"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nsk92-2021-01-11T00:16:00.000Z-Statement_by_Nsk92"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Ahmetlii" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Ahmetlii-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Ahmetlii-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Ahmetlii<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Ahmetlii-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Statement by Ahmetlii"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahmetlii-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ahmetlii"></span>As an uninvolved party, I tried to find what is the exact problem about pages to sanction Kurdish-related topics. I think that if there will be a sanction, that should broadly comprise the whole West Asia and Eastern Europe area rather than only comprising Armenia-Azerbaijan or Kurdish-related topics, since it will be better for managing issues due to the fact that the areas I mentioned has a lot of conflicts which discussed on several ArbCom cases, dispute resolutions, and ANI cases.<a href="/wiki/User:Ahmetlii" title="User:Ahmetlii">Ahmetlii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahmetlii" title="User talk:Ahmetlii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Ahmetlii-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ahmetlii" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahmetlii-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ahmetlii"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahmetlii-2021-01-14T12:11:00.000Z-Statement_by_Ahmetlii"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Narky_Blert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Narky_Blert-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Narky_Blert-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Narky Blert<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Narky_Blert-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Statement by Narky Blert"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Narky_Blert-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z-Statement_by_Narky_Blert"></span>This topic is outside my area of expertise, so I will confine myself to two general comments. (1) About 25 years ago, a colleague (in a manufacturing industry, with no direct interest) remarked: There is only one topic on which Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey all agree - the Kurds. They don't like them. (2) I posit a sociological analogy to <a href="/wiki/Plate_tectonics" title="Plate tectonics">plate tectonics</a>. There are areas of the world where multiple ethnic groups collide. Some are quiescent, some have continuous turbulence, some break out from time to time into violent activity. Kurdistan (in its broadest sense) is one such area. Others include the <a href="/wiki/Balkans" title="Balkans">Balkans</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Horn_of_Africa" title="Horn of Africa">Horn of Africa</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/Middle_East" title="Middle East">Middle East</a>. Most of them, by no coincidence, are on ancient invasion routes. All of them, if they haven't already, are likely to wind up at ARBCOM sooner or later. The details will differ, but the underlying type of issue is the same. <a href="/wiki/User:Narky_Blert" title="User:Narky Blert">Narky Blert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Narky_Blert" title="User talk:Narky Blert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Narky_Blert-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z-Statement_by_Narky_Blert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Narky_Blert-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z-Statement_by_Narky_Blert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Narky_Blert-2021-01-21T18:53:00.000Z-Statement_by_Narky_Blert"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z"></span>Statement by Beyond My Ken<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken-Preliminary_statements-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Statement by Beyond My Ken"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken"></span>Like The Bushranger above, I am confused about why a topic-banned editor would be allowed to request arbitration in the area of that ban, but since a case appears to be inevitable at this point, I believe that ArbCom needs to rule on whether GPinkerton will be allowed to participate in it or not. aviing allowed them to break their TBAN to request a case, will they also be allow to continue to violate that TBAN by participating in the case? I would suggest that it should <i><b>not</b></i> be allowed, as it would be inimical to the entire concept of a legitimately imposed topic ban. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-01-22T08:40:00.000Z-Statement_by_Beyond_My_Ken"></span></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Preliminary_decision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Preliminary decision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Preliminary decision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Clerk_notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clerk_notes-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clerk_notes-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z"></span>Clerk notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clerk_notes-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Clerk notes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moneytrees-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z-Clerk_notes"></span>This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).</i></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Recuse</b> I think I'm going to be providing evidence for this. <a href="/wiki/User:Moneytrees" title="User:Moneytrees">Moneytrees🏝️</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moneytrees" title="User talk:Moneytrees">Talk🌴</a><a href="/wiki/User:Moneytrees/CCI_Sort" title="User:Moneytrees/CCI Sort">Help out at CCI!</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Moneytrees-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z-Clerk_notes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moneytrees-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z-Clerk_notes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moneytrees-2021-01-16T22:31:00.000Z-Clerk_notes"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span id="Arbitrators.27_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_.2812.2F0.2F0.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (12/0/0)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)-Preliminary_decision-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (12/0/0)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)"></span>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> </p> <ul><li>Awaiting more statements. In response to one of the comments so far, GPinkerton's filing of the request for arbitration is permissible. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z-Arbitrators'_opinions_on_hearing_this_matter_(12/0/0)"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-21T20:07:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b> per the consensus that we may be able to be helpful. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-21T20:07:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-21T20:07:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-21T20:07:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>No opinion yet on whether this is a case which needs an ArbCom case. However, I am prepared to say that I am not currently in favor of <a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter's</a> suggestion that we put this topic under DS. Some arbs will only do DS after a full case, which has some logic but isn't my stance. If the community is going to do GS - and I think it should which is why I've closed a couple of discussions that established consensus for GS - then I think it should also build its own capacity and come to its own understanding on how to clean stuff like this up. ArbCom should be solving problems the community can't. Just because it might be more expedient for us to do something within our authority is not a reason for me to believe the community can't cleanup the inconsistencies identified in that AN thread. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z"></span>There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in this from the community at large. However, I'm pretty sympathetic to taking a case where multiple administrators are saying "I need help in administrating this topic area". <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El C</a> do you have a diff or two that might illustrate the point you're making that there's an issue here beyond Syrian Kurdistan? <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> what help would you see the committee providing that the existing GS does not? Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-06T15:44:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z"></span>Thanks to Valereee and El C for lending their perspective. The only case I can see myself voting to accept is one with a broader scope along the lines of what El C suggests. For ArbCom to work effectively we need editors with the time, skill, and inclination to participate in the process. Limited participation can work when the scope is limited. If we're going to go wide, and truthfully Syrian Kurdistan isn't exactly a narrow topic, then we're going to need more than limited participation. The AN thread about Valereee's GS sanction got lots of participation, granted, but that wouldn't be the focus of this case. Is there enough community desire to see us handle this to suggest a case is warranted? I think right now I'm leaning no. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T04:11:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Accept with a scope of Kurds and Kurdistan</b>. The combination of the work that was being done by <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a> to file a case before this request (giving me some reassurance about the community involvement worry I had above) and a third DS active administrator (Ivanvector) asking us to accept is enough for me to do so. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) 23:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC) <small>Edited to reflect scope per analysis offered by <a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-08T15:55:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T22:01:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle" title="User:Paradise Chronicle">Paradise Chronicle</a>:</span> a separate case request is not necessary. If that page is not finished it would be helpful, per Levivich's question, to do so. <small>Fixing broken ping <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T22:01:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T22:01:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T22:01:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T21:13:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a>:</span> the committee decides when opening a case who is a party. Other editors may be added as the case proceeds if evidence accumulates that suggests they should be a party. If you have evidence/suggestion of other people who should (or shouldn't) be a party to this case it would be worthwhile to present that now, in my opinion. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T21:13:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T21:13:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-12T21:13:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-13T15:58:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a>:</span> Thanks for clarifying your intent and lending your informed perspective about the proper scope. Many of the topics you note there are going to be best covered under "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BROADLY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BROADLY">broadly construed</a>" (so the whole <a href="/wiki/Gulf_War" title="Gulf War">Gulf War</a> wouldn't be a part of this case just the parts involving Kurds). However, I'll also note that calling out editors who, in good faith, didn't think there should not be an arbcom case is not any form of ridiculous. You can see here that I originally started off skeptical, and it was only through further discussion and new perspectives, that I changed my mind. Other Arbitrators appear to remain unconvinced themselves and I also don't think they're ridiculous. Such rhetoric is not helpful to your cause and should be omitted during the remainder of this case. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Barkeep49-2021-01-13T15:58:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-13T15:58:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-2021-01-13T15:58:00.000Z-Barkeep49-2021-01-10T23:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Leaning accept. However, the fact that the community is going for GS here gives me some pause. <a href="/wiki/User:CaptainEek" title="User:CaptainEek"><span style="color:#6a1f7f"><b>CaptainEek</b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CaptainEek" title="User talk:CaptainEek"><span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5"><i>Edits Ho Cap'n!</i></span></span></a></sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CaptainEek" title="Special:Contributions/CaptainEek">⚓</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-12T20:44:00.000Z-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b> With the scope of "Kurds and Kurdistan". It is apparent that the situation is intractable, and the community has exhausted all attempts to solve it. <a href="/wiki/User:CaptainEek" title="User:CaptainEek"><span style="color:#6a1f7f"><b>CaptainEek</b></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CaptainEek" title="User talk:CaptainEek"><span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5"><i>Edits Ho Cap'n!</i></span></span></a></sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CaptainEek" title="Special:Contributions/CaptainEek">⚓</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-CaptainEek-2021-01-12T20:44:00.000Z-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-12T20:44:00.000Z-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CaptainEek-2021-01-12T20:44:00.000Z-CaptainEek-2021-01-08T05:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>This is certainly an area that I would expect Arbcom to have to step in, we've had long running disruption and multiple attempts from the community to handle it - especially when looking at the wider area. However, I'm not certain about taking this case in particular. From what I can see, the area is under Community General Sanctions and the specific page that this arbcom request is about - <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a> has just had a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Syrian_Civil_War_and_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=997761486&oldid=969317798&diffmode=source">page level sanction</a> put upon it. So I'm torn - I am leaning decline <i>at this point</i> since there has just been a reasonable attempt to improve situations, however I could accept a case on the wider area, understanding that these issue have been going for so long. <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned"><b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;"><i>Worm</i></b></a><sup>TT</sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Worm_That_Turned" title="User talk:Worm That Turned"><b style="color:#060;">talk</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-19T09:55:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b> on the wider scope <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned"><b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;"><i>Worm</i></b></a><sup>TT</sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Worm_That_Turned" title="User talk:Worm That Turned"><b style="color:#060;">talk</b></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-19T09:55:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-19T09:55:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-19T09:55:00.000Z-Worm_That_Turned-2021-01-08T11:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>I'm on the fence, with a slight lean towards accepting (though not entirely convinced either way). The locus of this dispute is Syrian Kurdistan, which falls under GS/SCW, if barely. Paradise Chronicle's <a href="/wiki/User:Paradise_Chronicle/ArbComCase" title="User:Paradise Chronicle/ArbComCase">subpage</a> definitely has more of a better "scope" feel than this request as it encapsulates more than just one page. However, like WTT I'm mostly torn between the evidence showing "this article is a problem" vs "this subject area is a problem". <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-2021-01-17T15:07:00.000Z-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Primefac-2021-01-17T15:07:00.000Z-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-2021-01-17T15:07:00.000Z-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-2021-01-17T15:07:00.000Z-Primefac-2021-01-11T03:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b> with the scope of Kurds ("and Kurdistan" feels redundant to me, but that's just semantics). --<a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BDD" title="User talk:BDD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BDD-2021-01-13T18:28:00.000Z-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Levivich" title="User:Levivich">Levivich</a>:</span> Fair enough. I'm assuming a decision would probably have "broadly construed" language, but perhaps not. Bottom line, I want a wider scope than the one article. --<a href="/wiki/User:BDD" title="User:BDD">BDD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BDD" title="User talk:BDD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-BDD-2021-01-13T18:28:00.000Z-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BDD-2021-01-13T18:28:00.000Z-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BDD-2021-01-13T18:28:00.000Z-BDD-2021-01-12T21:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>I'll get to the merits soon. <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a>, at their request, is granted a word limit extension to a total of 1000 words. <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2021-01-19T22:42:00.000Z-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Like my colleagues, I vote to <b>accept</b>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">KevinL</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-L235-2021-01-19T22:42:00.000Z-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2021-01-19T22:42:00.000Z-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2021-01-19T22:42:00.000Z-L235-2021-01-13T00:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Fuchs-2021-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b>. There seems like some aspects of this case we can't really address, but plenty of issues with editor behavior to examine. <a href="/wiki/User:David_Fuchs" title="User:David Fuchs"><span style="color: #cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Fuchs" title="User talk:David Fuchs"><span style="color: #cc6600;">talk</span></a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-David_Fuchs-2021-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Fuchs-2021-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Fuchs-2021-01-14T19:02:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxim-2021-01-15T19:45:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b>, it looks an intractable dispute in a ethnic/national topic involving established editors. One of my thoughts at first was to suggest DS-by-motion like we did for Horn of Africa but this situation doesn't seem to be quite similar. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxim" title="User talk:Maxim"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="color:#FF7133;">Maxim</span><sub><small><span style="color:blue;">(talk)</span></small></sub></span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Maxim-2021-01-15T19:45:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxim-2021-01-15T19:45:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxim-2021-01-15T19:45:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SoWhy-2021-01-17T14:01:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b>. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:SoWhy" title="User:SoWhy"><span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SoWhy" title="User talk:SoWhy"><span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-SoWhy-2021-01-17T14:01:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SoWhy-2021-01-17T14:01:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SoWhy-2021-01-17T14:01:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2021-01-20T00:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Casliber-2021-01-20T00:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2021-01-20T00:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2021-01-20T00:03:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2021-01-21T01:30:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Accept</b> This is the sort of topic that has tradicaionally required ArbCom intervention to stabilize. Frankly, it's surprising it took this long to get here. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#c-Beeblebrox-2021-01-21T01:30:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 21 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2021-01-21T01:30:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2021-01-21T01:30:00.000Z-Newyorkbrad-2021-01-06T11:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Temporary_injunction_(none)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Temporary_injunction_(none)-Preliminary_decision"><span id="Temporary_injunction_.28none.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Temporary_injunction_(none)-Preliminary_decision"></span>Temporary injunction (none)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Temporary_injunction_(none)-Preliminary_decision"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Temporary injunction (none)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="Final_decision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Final_decision"></span>Final decision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Final_decision"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Final decision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>All tallies are based the votes at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Proposed_decision" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan/Proposed decision">/Proposed decision</a>, where comments and discussion from the voting phase is also available.</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Principles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Principles-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Principles-Final_decision"></span>Principles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Principles-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Principles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Purpose_of_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Purpose_of_Wikipedia-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Purpose_of_Wikipedia-Principles"></span>Purpose of Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Purpose_of_Wikipedia-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Purpose of Wikipedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>1) The purpose of Wikipedia is to create a high-quality, free-content online encyclopedia. This is best achieved in an atmosphere of collegiality, camaraderie, and mutual respect among contributors. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Preexisting_disputes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Preexisting_disputes-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Preexisting_disputes-Principles"></span>Preexisting disputes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Preexisting_disputes-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Preexisting disputes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>2) Issues that are contentious <a href="/wiki/Real_life#As_distinct_from_the_Internet" title="Real life">in real life</a> are likely to be so on Wikipedia. However, Wikipedia does not permit the animosity arising from disputed issues to affect the neutrality of encyclopedia articles or the standards of behavior expected from contributors. Conduct that furthers a preexisting dispute on Wikipedia should receive special attention from the community, up to and including sanctions. It is perfectly possible to present a balanced, accurate, and verifiable encyclopedia article about contentious issues or preexisting disputes. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Neutral_point_of_view" data-mw-thread-id="h-Neutral_point_of_view-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Neutral_point_of_view-Principles"></span>Neutral point of view<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Neutral_point_of_view-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Neutral point of view"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>3) All Wikipedia articles must be written from a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, with all relevant points of view represented in reasonable proportion to their importance and relevance to the subject-matter of the article. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_weight" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">Undue weight</a> should not be given to aspects that are peripheral to the topic. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">Original research</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_published_material" title="Wikipedia:No original research">synthesized claims</a> are prohibited. A neutral point of view requires fair representation of all significant historical interpretations. This refers to legitimate differences in interpretation of the historical record, as opposed to views considered fringe, outdated, or significantly biased or inaccurate by the substantial consensus of reliable sources. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Sourcing_of_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sourcing_of_articles-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sourcing_of_articles-Principles"></span>Sourcing of articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sourcing_of_articles-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Sourcing of articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>4) Wikipedia articles rely mainly on reliable mainstream <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary sources</a> as these provide the requisite analysis, interpretation and context. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are the most highly valued sources and are usually the most reliable. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUB">Self-published works</a>, whether by an individual or an organisation, may only be used in limited circumstances and with extreme care. Primary sources may be used to support specific statements of fact limited to descriptive aspects of these primary sources. In the event of sourcing disputes, talk page discussion should be used to discuss the dispute and seek a resolution. If discussion there does not resolve the dispute, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard">reliable sources</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRN">dispute resolution</a> noticeboards should be used. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 9 to 0 with 2 abstentions at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Civility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civility-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civility-Principles"></span>Civility<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civility-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Civility"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>5) Editors are expected to show <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">reasonable courtesy</a> to one another, even during contentious situations and disagreements, and not resort to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">personal attacks</a>. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="National_and_territorial_disputes" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_and_territorial_disputes-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-National_and_territorial_disputes-Principles"></span>National and territorial disputes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-National_and_territorial_disputes-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: National and territorial disputes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>6) Several of Wikipedia's most bitter disputes have revolved around national or ethnic conflicts such as rival national claims to disputed territories or areas. Editors working on articles on these topics may frequently have strong viewpoints, often originating in their own national or other backgrounds. Such editors may be the most knowledgeable people interested in creating Wikipedia content about the area or the dispute, and are permitted and encouraged to contribute if they can do so consistent with Wikipedia's fundamental policies. However, they should bear in mind while editing that they may consciously or unconsciously be expressing their personal views rather than editing with a neutral point of view. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Personalising_disputes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Personalising_disputes-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Personalising_disputes-Principles"></span>Personalising disputes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Personalising_disputes-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Personalising disputes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>7) In content disputes, editors must always comment on the content and not the contributor. Personalising content disputes disrupts the consensus-building process on which Wikipedia depends. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground-Principles"></span>Wikipedia is not a battleground<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Wikipedia is not a battleground"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>8) Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#BATTLEGROUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">not a battleground</a>. Consequently, it is not a venue for the furtherance of grudges and personal disputes. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tendentious_editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tendentious_editing-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tendentious_editing-Principles"></span>Tendentious editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tendentious_editing-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Tendentious editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>9) Users who <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing" title="Wikipedia:Tendentious editing">disrupt the editing</a> of articles by engaging in sustained aggressive point-of-view editing may be banned from editing these articles. In extreme cases, they may be banned from the site. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="General_sanctions" data-mw-thread-id="h-General_sanctions-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_sanctions-Principles"></span>General sanctions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_sanctions-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: General sanctions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>10) Subject to community approval, general sanctions are imposed on certain contentious and strife-torn topics to create an acceptable and collaborative editing environment. Such sanctions <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions#Authorisation" title="Wikipedia:General sanctions">often follow</a> the model of discretionary sanctions as imposed by the Arbitration Committee, which allows administrators to impose a variety of reasonable measures on users or articles that are necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Conduct_during_arbitration_cases" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conduct_during_arbitration_cases-Principles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Conduct_during_arbitration_cases-Principles"></span>Conduct during arbitration cases<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Conduct_during_arbitration_cases-Principles"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Conduct during arbitration cases"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>11) The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy#Participation" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy">arbitration policy</a> states that "Editors are expected to conduct themselves with appropriate decorum during arbitration cases, and may face sanctions if they fail to do so". The pages associated with arbitration cases are primarily intended to assist the Arbitration Committee in arriving at a fair, well-informed, and expeditious resolution of each case. While grievances must often be aired during such a case, it is expected that editors will do so without being unnecessarily rude or hostile, and will respond calmly to allegations against them. Accusations of misbehaviour must be backed with clear evidence or not made at all. Editors who conduct themselves inappropriately during a case may be sanctioned by arbitrators or clerks including by warnings, blocks, or bans from further participation in the case. Behaviour during a case may be considered as part of an editor's overall conduct in the matter at hand. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Findings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Findings-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Findings-Final_decision"></span>Findings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Findings-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Findings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Locus_of_dispute" data-mw-thread-id="h-Locus_of_dispute-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Locus_of_dispute-Findings"></span>Locus of dispute<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Locus_of_dispute-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Locus of dispute"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>1) This dispute centers on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sourcing</a>, non-<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutral point of view</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BATTLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BATTLE">battleground behavior</a> at articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, especially at <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a>. The dispute has resulted in a strained editing environment featuring assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks, and incivility. It is further characterized by tendentious and battleground editing, with frequent accusations towards perceived opponents of pushing points of view for or against Kurds and Kurdistan. Finally, there have been extensive disputes as to the validity of sources, although the Arbitration Committee notes that assessing the suitability of individual sources is not within its jurisdiction. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Valereee's_source_restriction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Valereee's_source_restriction-Findings"><span id="Valereee.27s_source_restriction"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Valereee's_source_restriction-Findings"></span>Valereee's source restriction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Valereee's_source_restriction-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Valereee's source restriction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>2) <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> imposed a source restriction at <a href="/wiki/Syrian_Kurdistan" title="Syrian Kurdistan">Syrian Kurdistan</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AEditnotices%2FPage%2FSyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=997764850&oldid=993348876">[9]</a>, which was within reasonable administrative discretion under a general sanctions authorization. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="GPinkerton" data-mw-thread-id="h-GPinkerton-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GPinkerton-Findings"></span>GPinkerton<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GPinkerton-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: GPinkerton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>3) GPinkerton has a history of disruptive editing in the Kurds and Kurdistan topic area and elsewhere. This pattern includes edit-warring (e.g. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=989472168">[10]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=989478087">[11]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=989480138">[12]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=989483043">[13]</a>) and personalizing disputes (e.g. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=944272235">[14]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=969222688">[15]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=989506472">[16]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988131648">[17]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988133792">[18]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=988131365">[19]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=989846896&oldid=989846606">[20]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASyrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=989146471&oldid=989139098">[21]</a>) for which they have been warned on several occasions by multiple administrators <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=970077374">[22]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=980445837">[23]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=990053455">[24]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=990741217">[25]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=990741604">[26]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=991011293">[27]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=997311213&oldid=997299364">[28]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=997349340">[29]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=prev&oldid=997353521">[30]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=997413613">[31]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=998155429&oldid=997353521">[32]</a>. GPinkerton has been blocked on multiple occasions <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AGPinkerton">[33]</a>. The last block, of indefinite length, was later converted to a topic ban from the Middle East post-1453 AD <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=992967111&oldid=992965571">[34]</a>. GPinkerton has since violated the topic ban <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=995204918&oldid=995190528">[35]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=997046884">[36]</a> and received multiple warnings from an uninvolved administrator <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGPinkerton&type=revision&diff=995209074&oldid=995206889">[37]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=997311213">[38]</a>. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Thepharoah17" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thepharoah17-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thepharoah17-Findings"></span>Thepharoah17<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thepharoah17-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Thepharoah17"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>4) Thepharoah17 has shown a battleground mentality with respect to Kurds and Kurdistan topic area: they attempted to sidetrack concerns about their article-writing due to an unrelated bias from the other editor,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Swarm&diff=990779571&oldid=990760925&diffmode=source">[39]</a> and claimed they have no further interest in the topic yet returned to make similar edits shortly thereafter.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan#Statement_by_Thepharoah17">[40]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaziantep&diff=1000114364&oldid=999780375&diffmode=source">[41]</a> Thepharoah17 has edited tendentiously in the topic area by seeking to erase Kurdish names and mentions of Kurdistan,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Diyarbak%C4%B1r&diff=prev&oldid=993043267">[42]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koban%C3%AE&diff=prev&oldid=989838602">[43]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaziantep&diff=prev&oldid=1002161996">[44]</a>, pushing an anti-Kurd POV,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_Land_Forces&diff=prev&oldid=995316250">[45]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=989897962">[46]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afrin_District&diff=prev&oldid=991471810">[47]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=994959883&diffmode=source">[48]</a> and drawing equivalencies between Kurdish groups and the Islamic State.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=988287419&oldid=988286221&diffmode=source">[49]</a> </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="عمرو_بن_كلثوم" data-mw-thread-id="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Findings"><span id=".D8.B9.D9.85.D8.B1.D9.88_.D8.A8.D9.86_.D9.83.D9.84.D8.AB.D9.88.D9.85"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Findings"></span>عمرو بن كلثوم<span data-mw-comment-end="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: عمرو بن كلثوم"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>5) عمرو بن كلثوم has edited tendentiously in the Kurds and Kurdistan topic area, by seeking to erase Kurdish names and mentions of Kurdistan,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war&diff=prev&oldid=993816489">[50]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_Kurdish_uprisings&diff=prev&oldid=992493354">[51]</a> and by pushing anti-Kurd POV.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FKurds&type=revision&diff=1000023437&oldid=999993564">[52]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=988444653">[53]</a> On three occasions, twice in 2015 and once in 2020, عمرو بن كلثوم has been blocked for conduct in the topic area, which included edit-warring. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85&diff=650052433&oldid=643080925">[54]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85&diff=668863726&oldid=668844633">[55]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85&diff=prev&oldid=994377457">[56]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88+%D8%A8%D9%86+%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85">[57]</a> </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 with 1 abstentions at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Supreme_Deliciousness" data-mw-thread-id="h-Supreme_Deliciousness-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Supreme_Deliciousness-Findings"></span>Supreme Deliciousness<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Supreme_Deliciousness-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Supreme Deliciousness"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>6) Supreme Deliciousness has engaged in tendentious editing in the Kurds and Kurdistan topic area. This pattern of editing has centered on the misuse of sources <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=991164254">[58]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=997015925">[59]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=996981370">[60]</a> as part of a broader battleground-style approach to article edits <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan_TV&diff=prev&oldid=1005182734">[61]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Upper_Mesopotamia&diff=prev&oldid=992465853">[62]</a> and talk page discussion <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=991868719">[63]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=996981370">[64]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=993826357">[65]</a>. Supreme Deliciousness has been blocked on two occasions for conduct in Kurds and Kurdistan topic area <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=991171223">[66]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness&diff=next&oldid=997019661">[67]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ASupreme+Deliciousness">[68]</a>. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Paradise_Chronicle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paradise_Chronicle-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paradise_Chronicle-Findings"></span>Paradise Chronicle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paradise_Chronicle-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Paradise Chronicle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>7) Paradise Chronicle has accused other editors of pushing extreme views without evidence.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&type=revision&diff=989145983&oldid=989134031&diffmode=source">[69]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AValereee&type=revision&diff=999020887&oldid=999009956">[70]</a> </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages-Findings"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages-Findings"></span>GPinkerton: decorum at arbitration case pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GPinkerton:_decorum_at_arbitration_case_pages-Findings"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: GPinkerton: decorum at arbitration case pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>8) GPinkerton's conduct during the case repeatedly fell well short of <a href="#Conduct_during_arbitration_cases">expectations</a>. On multiple occasions, GPinkerton antagonized other parties to the case <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Evidence&diff=1005742579&oldid=1005741600&diffmode=source">[71]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85&type=revision&diff=1005641693&oldid=1005638987">[72]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Evidence&diff=1005692019&oldid=1005689886">[73]</a>, and was subsequently issued warnings by arbitrators <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=1005651452&oldid=1005082360">[74]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&diff=1005760501&oldid=1005709409">[75]</a>. GPinkerton has further refused to follow the norms of the arbitration process by submitting and maintaining an evidence submission far greater than the limits on words and diffs <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPinkerton&oldid=1005885479#Over_length_evidence">[76]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Evidence&oldid=1007289617#Length_of_evidence_+_rebuttals">[77]</a>. As a result of these actions, an arbitration clerk removed a portion of the evidence submission which exceeded the prescribed limits on words and diffs <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Evidence&diff=1005901736&oldid=1005899837">[78]</a>. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 with 1 abstentions at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remedies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remedies-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remedies-Final_decision"></span>Remedies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remedies-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Remedies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><small><i>Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Contentious_topic_designation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Contentious_topic_designation-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Contentious_topic_designation-Remedies"></span>Contentious topic designation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Contentious_topic_designation-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Contentious topic designation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Superseded version</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">Former title: "Standard discretionary sanctions".</div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:KURDS"></span><span id="WP:ARBKURDS"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1126788409"><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:KURDS&redirect=no">WP:KURDS</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ARBKURDS&redirect=no">WP:ARBKURDS</a></span></li></ul></div></div> <p>1) <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Discretionary_sanctions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">Standard discretionary sanctions</a> are authorized for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Superseded by <a href="#Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)">motion</a> at 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>1) The topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed, are designated as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">contentious topic</a>. </p> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="#Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)">motion</a> at 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="GPinkerton_banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-GPinkerton_banned-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GPinkerton_banned-Remedies"></span>GPinkerton banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GPinkerton_banned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: GPinkerton banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>2) <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPinkerton" title="User talk:GPinkerton">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GPinkerton" title="Special:Contributions/GPinkerton">contribs</a>) is indefinitely <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SITEBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SITEBAN">banned</a> from the English Wikipedia. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 1 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="GPinkerton_topic-banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-GPinkerton_topic-banned-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GPinkerton_topic-banned-Remedies"></span>GPinkerton topic-banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GPinkerton_topic-banned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: GPinkerton topic-banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Superseded version.</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>3) <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPinkerton" title="User talk:GPinkerton">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GPinkerton" title="Special:Contributions/GPinkerton">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from <s>articles related to</s> Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>3) <a href="/wiki/User:GPinkerton" title="User:GPinkerton">GPinkerton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPinkerton" title="User talk:GPinkerton">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/GPinkerton" title="Special:Contributions/GPinkerton">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="#Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)">motion</a> at 02:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Thepharoah17_topic-banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thepharoah17_topic-banned-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thepharoah17_topic-banned-Remedies"></span>Thepharoah17 topic-banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thepharoah17_topic-banned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Thepharoah17 topic-banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Superseded version.</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>4) <a href="/wiki/User:Thepharoah17" title="User:Thepharoah17">Thepharoah17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thepharoah17" title="User talk:Thepharoah17">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17" title="Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from <s>articles related to</s> Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>4) <a href="/wiki/User:Thepharoah17" title="User:Thepharoah17">Thepharoah17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thepharoah17" title="User talk:Thepharoah17">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17" title="Special:Contributions/Thepharoah17">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="#Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)">motion</a> at 02:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned-Remedies"><span id=".D8.B9.D9.85.D8.B1.D9.88_.D8.A8.D9.86_.D9.83.D9.84.D8.AB.D9.88.D9.85_topic-banned"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned-Remedies"></span>عمرو بن كلثوم topic-banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-عمرو_بن_كلثوم_topic-banned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: عمرو بن كلثوم topic-banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Superseded version.</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>6) <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">عمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:Contributions/عمرو بن كلثوم">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from <s>articles related to</s> Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>6) <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User:عمرو بن كلثوم">عمرو بن كلثوم</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="User talk:عمرو بن كلثوم">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D9%83%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D9%85" title="Special:Contributions/عمرو بن كلثوم">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 11 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="#Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)">motion</a> at 02:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned-Remedies"></span>Supreme Deliciousness topic-banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Supreme_Deliciousness_topic-banned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: Supreme Deliciousness topic-banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256395271"> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed"> <tbody><tr> <th class="hat-header">Rescinded by <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1078239788#Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan" title="Special:PermanentLink/1078239788">motion</a> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="hat-content"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Superseded version.</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>8) <a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:Contributions/Supreme Deliciousness">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from <s>articles related to</s> Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>8) <a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User talk:Supreme Deliciousness">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Supreme_Deliciousness" title="Special:Contributions/Supreme Deliciousness">contribs</a>) is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic-banned</a> from Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="#Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)">motion</a> at 02:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)</i> <dl><dd><i>Amended by <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1078239788#Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan" title="Special:PermanentLink/1078239788">motion</a> at 16:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Paradise_Chronicle_warned" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paradise_Chronicle_warned-Remedies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paradise_Chronicle_warned-Remedies"></span>Paradise Chronicle warned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paradise_Chronicle_warned-Remedies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Paradise Chronicle warned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>10) Paradise Chronicle is warned to avoid casting aspersions and repeating similar uncollegial conduct in the future. </p> <dl><dd><i>Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Amendments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Amendments-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Amendments-Final_decision"></span>Amendments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Amendments-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Amendments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)-Amendments"><span id="Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_.28February_2021.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)-Amendments"></span>Motion: clarify scope of topic bans (February 2021)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion:_clarify_scope_of_topic_bans_(February_2021)-Amendments"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Motion: clarify scope of topic bans (February 2021)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>The phrase "articles related to" in the topic bans for GPinkerton, Thepharoah17, عمرو بن كلثوم, and Supreme Deliciousness are struck, to clarify that the bans are not limited to article-space. </p> </div> </div> <dl><dd><i>Passed 10 to 0 by <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1009163338#Kurds_and_Kurdistan:_topic_ban_clarification" title="Special:PermanentLink/1009163338">motion</a> at 02:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan_(March_2021)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan_(March_2021)-Amendments"><span id="Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan_.28March_2021.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan_(March_2021)-Amendments"></span>Motion Kurds and Kurdistan (March 2021)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion_Kurds_and_Kurdistan_(March_2021)-Amendments"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Motion Kurds and Kurdistan (March 2021)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Supreme_Deliciousness" title="User:Supreme Deliciousness">Supreme Deliciousness'</a> topic ban from Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed is lifted subject to a probationary period lasting twelve months from the date this motion is enacted. During this period, any uninvolved administrator may re-impose the topic ban as an arbitration enforcement action, subject to appeal only to the Arbitration Committee. If the probationary period elapses without incident, the topic ban is to be considered permanently lifted. </p> </div> </div> <dl><dd><i>Passed 6 to 0 with one abstention by <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1078239788#Amendment_request:_Kurds_and_Kurdistan" title="Special:PermanentLink/1078239788">motion</a> at 16:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)-Amendments"><span id="Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_.28December_2022.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)-Amendments"></span>Motion: contentious topic designation (December 2022)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Motion:_contentious_topic_designation_(December_2022)-Amendments"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Motion: contentious topic designation (December 2022)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236090951"><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">As part of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CT2022" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CT2022">2022 adoption of the contentious topics procedure</a>, the Arbitration Committee adopted the following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021-22_review#Administrative_provisions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021-22 review">motion</a> to re-designate existing discretionary sanctions remedies as contentious topic designations.</div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>21) Each reference to the prior <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/DS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/DS">discretionary sanctions procedure</a> shall be treated as a reference to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/CT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/CT">contentious topics procedure</a>. The arbitration clerks are directed to amend all existing remedies authorizing discretionary sanctions to instead designate contentious topics. </p> </div> </div> <dl><dd><i>Passed 10 to 0 with 1 abstention by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/2021-22_review#Administrative_provisions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2021-22 review">motion</a> at 21:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Enforcement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Enforcement-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Enforcement-Final_decision"></span>Enforcement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Enforcement-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Enforcement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Enforcement_of_restrictions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Enforcement_of_restrictions-Enforcement"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Enforcement_of_restrictions-Enforcement"></span>Enforcement of restrictions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Enforcement_of_restrictions-Enforcement"></span></h3></div> <p>0) Should any user subject to a restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year. </p> <dl><dd><i>In accordance with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Standard_provision:_enforcement_of_restrictions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">procedure for the standard enforcement provision</a> adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Appeals_and_modifications" data-mw-thread-id="h-Appeals_and_modifications-Enforcement"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Appeals_and_modifications-Enforcement"></span>Appeals and modifications<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Appeals_and_modifications-Enforcement"></span></h3></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="background:#DCDCDC; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:left; color:#202122"><div style="font-size:115%;">0) Appeals and modifications</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p><i>This procedure applies to appeals related to, and modifications of, actions taken by administrators to enforce the Committee's remedies. It does not apply to appeals related to the remedies directly enacted by the Committee.</i> </p> <dl><dt>Appeals by sanctioned editors</dt></dl> <p>Appeals may be made only by the editor under sanction and only for a currently active sanction. Requests for modification of page restrictions may be made by any editor. The process has three possible stages (see "Important notes" below). The editor may: </p> <ol><li>ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;</li> <li>request review at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">arbitration enforcement noticeboard</a> ("AE") or at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">administrators’ noticeboard</a> ("AN"); and</li> <li>submit a request for amendment at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment">"ARCA"</a>. If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email through <a href="/wiki/User:Arbitration_Committee" title="User:Arbitration Committee">Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee</a> (or, if email access is revoked, to <span class="nowrap">arbcom-en<span class="mw-no-invert"><span class="skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span title="@"><img alt="@" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/15px-At_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/23px-At_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/30px-At_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="145" data-file-height="145"/></span></span></span>wikimedia.org</span>).</li></ol> <dl><dt>Modifications by administrators</dt></dl> <p>No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without: </p> <ol><li>the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or</li> <li>prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).</li></ol> <p>Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped. </p><p>Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied. </p><p>Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. 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They do not apply to sanctions directly authorised by the committee, and enacted either by arbitrators or by arbitration clerks, or to special functionary blocks of whatever nature.</li> <li>All actions designated as arbitration enforcement actions, including those alleged to be out of process or against existing policy, must first be appealed following arbitration enforcement procedures to establish if such enforcement is inappropriate before the action may be reversed or formally discussed at another venue.</li></ol> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><i>In accordance with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Standard_provision:_appeals_and_modifications" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">procedure for the standard appeals and modifications provision</a> adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Enforcement_log" data-mw-thread-id="h-Enforcement_log-Final_decision"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Enforcement_log-Final_decision"></span>Enforcement log<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Enforcement_log-Final_decision"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Enforcement log"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="anchor" id="Log_of_blocks,_bans,_and_restrictions"></span> <b>Any block, restriction, ban, or sanction performed under the authorisation of a remedy for this case must be logged at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log">Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log</a>, not here.</b> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&oldid=1134759435">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan&oldid=1134759435</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_arbitration_cases" title="Category:Wikipedia arbitration cases">Wikipedia arbitration cases</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 20 January 2023, at 13:36<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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