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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones" title="Wikipedia:Votaciones">Wikipedia:Votaciones</a></bdi> | <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu" title="Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu">Archivu</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="ast" dir="ltr"><div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i>Esta votación ta archivada y yá nun se puede participar.<br/> Pa participar n'otres votaciones visita <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones" title="Wikipedia:Votaciones">Wikipedia:Votaciones</a>.</i></dd></dl></div> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según_el_Cartafueyu_Normativu_de_la_Academia_de_la_Llingua" data-mw-thread-id="h-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"><span id="Votaci.C3.B3n_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_pa.C3.ADses.2C_capitales.2C_xentilicios.2C_etc.2C_etc_seg.C3.BAn_el_Cartafueyu_Normativu_de_la_Academia_de_la_Llingua"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"></span>Votación pa usar los nomes de países, capitales, xentilicios, etc, etc según el Cartafueyu Normativu de la Academia de la Llingua<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Editar el código fuente de la sección: Votación pa usar los nomes de países, capitales, xentilicios, etc, etc según el Cartafueyu Normativu de la Academia de la Llingua"><span>editar la fonte</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según"></span>Resumío: </p> <ul><li>Nun pue ser que nesta wikipedia, porque nun nos presten ciertos términos, decidamos cambialos, o apautemos otros distintos a lo convenío. La wikipedia nun ye una fonte primaria y nun podemos pasanos pel arcu'l triunfu esti fechu. Otra cosa, sedría que necesitásemos un nuevu términu que nun figurase nos cartafueyos. Pero nun s'imaxina una wikipedia seria que nun siga les normes ortográfiques, gramaticales y les normatives que mande la so Academia.</li></ul> <p>Nun correspuende a una wikipedia determinar estes coses. Pa eso tán los organismos oficiales. Llegáu el casu, qu'estos términos cambiasen, cambiaríamos tamién (como nun pue ser d'otra manera) esos términos nesta wikipedia. </p><p>Asina que propongo que nesta wikipedia s'usen los términos qu'han ser: <a href="/wiki/Cartafueyu_normativu:_Nomes_de_los_pa%C3%ADses_del_mundu_y_de_les_sos_capitales_y_xentilicios" class="mw-redirect" title="Cartafueyu normativu: Nomes de los países del mundu y de les sos capitales y xentilicios">Cartafueyu normativu: Nomes de los países del mundu y de les sos capitales y xentilicios</a>. Repito que na wikipedia nun podemos facer lo que nos dea la gana. Les fontes oficiales son les que son, y nesta llingua, márcales l'Academia, lo mesmo que na wikipedia Gallega, Vasca, Catalana, etc. </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Ficheru:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>A favor</b>: <ol><li>--<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Astur" title="Usuariu:Astur">Astur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Astur" title="Usuariu alderique:Astur">alderique</a>) <a 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id="c-Mikel-2017-07-31T16:22:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"></span>--<span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Ficheru:User_with_smile.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/User_with_smile.svg/18px-User_with_smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/User_with_smile.svg/27px-User_with_smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/User_with_smile.svg/36px-User_with_smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Mikel" title="Usuariu:Mikel">Mikel</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Ficheru:Mail-forward.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Mail-forward.svg/18px-Mail-forward.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" 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Tien menos de 100)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z","author":"ENOL","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z","c-Omarete-2017-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"></span> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"></span>--<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Oriciu" title="Usuariu:Oriciu">Oriciu</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Oriciu" title="Usuariu alderique:Oriciu">alderique</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52 1 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Oriciu","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oriciu-2017-08-01T02:52:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omarete-2017-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"></span>--<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Omarete" title="Usuariu:Omarete">Omarete</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Omarete" title="Usuariu alderique:Omarete">mensaxes</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Omarete-2017-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41 1 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omarete-2017-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-ENOL-2017-07-31T18:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Escontra</b>: <ol><li>--<b><a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">etienfr</font></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu alderique:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">(¡Vamos parolar!)</font></a></i> <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:47:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47 5 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:47:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-05T14:47:00.000Z","author":"Etienfr","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:47:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:47:00.000Z-Astur-2017-07-31T16:10:00.000Z"></span></li></ol></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Comentarios" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comentarios-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comentarios-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span>Comentarios<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comentarios-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Editar el código fuente de la sección: Comentarios"><span>editar la fonte</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z-Comentarios"></span>Fui yo quien propunxo nun usar los términos d'esi cartafueyu polo mui mal que ta fechu; yá espunxi los porqués, pero solo voi remitime a un exemplu: si usamos los términos d'esi cartafueyu (que ye una <b>propuesta</b>, non una norma), taríemos cambiando'l nome de la capital de Dominica, que se llama <b>Roseau</b> por <b>Rousseau</b>, filósofu francés que nada tien que ver con esi llugar del Caribe. Por nun mencionar la babayada d'<b>asturianizar</b> la trescripción <b>Beijing</b> pa la capital china. </p><p>Opóngome amás porque cuando entamé yo'l nun usar esos términos, fíxose, más o menos, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2013" title="Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2013">ún per ún</a>, por mor precisamente de los munchos equivocos que tien esi cartafueyu. Pidiría que volviereis lleer <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Nomes_de_los_pa%C3%ADses_del_mundu_2" title="Wikipedia:Nomes de los países del mundu 2">los mios argumentos</a> enantes de caltener el vuestru votu.--<b><a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">etienfr</font></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu alderique:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">(¡Vamos parolar!)</font></a></i> <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z-Comentarios" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48 5 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z-Comentarios"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Etienfr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z-Comentarios","replies":["c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z","c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z-Comentarios"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span>Prácticamente toi contigo en tolo que dices, pero precisamente por un puntu que menciones de los pilares de Wikipedia ye que voto que sí: Wikipedia nun ye fonte primaria. Mientres nun podamos aportar otra fonte meyor, esta ye la única que tenemos. Imaxina que mañana yo doi mis esplicaciones a que se diz "Banglades" porque fice un estudiu. Tú dices que ye "Bangladesh" porque tienes abondos argumentos. ¿Quién tien razón? Pa la Wikipedia daría igual. La fonte más acreditada que tenemos diz que ye "Bangladex" y anque los dos pensemos que ta fatal, ye la qu'hai que usar. Ye lo buenu y lo malu que tien la Wikipedia. --<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Omarete" title="Usuariu:Omarete">Omarete</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Omarete" title="Usuariu alderique:Omarete">mensaxes</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53 25 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z","author":"Omarete","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z"></span>La votación yá ta acabada y dame igual. Pero dicite que yo nun toi faciendo fonte primaria al, por exemplu, proponer usar Bangladesh en llugar de Bangladex o Banglades o lo que quieras: Bangladesh yá esiste porque ye la trescripción internacional del nome d'esi país (amás, nun refugo, como yá tengo dicho, n'usar la lletra xe pa representar la palatal fricativa xorda -si pa /b/ usamos "b", pa /f/ "f" y etc..., por qué non pa /ʃ/ la lletra "x"). Enxamás propunxi usar un términu que nun esistiera yá, polo qu'enxamás fixi ser fonte primera. Cuido que fui mui cuidadosu cuando espunxi tolos mios argumentos, y fui ún per ún esplicando'l por qué me paecía, y me sigue paeciendo, un enorme error usar esos términos propuestos nesi cartafueyo, ente otres coses polos munchos errores y incoherencies que tien. Pero ea, yá ta votao, non?, pues a nomar, perdón, rebautizar la capital de Dominaca por Rousseau (manca a la madera!) y a asturianizar un atrescripción fonética como ye Beijing. Usar esos términos, que nun son asturianu sinón andechés, ye facer el ridículu, y siéntolo pola Academia, pero con esi cartafueyu metió la pata hasta'l cuezu.--<b><a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">etienfr</font></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu alderique:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">(¡Vamos parolar!)</font></a></i> <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06 31 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Etienfr","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z-Omarete-2017-08-25T11:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span>A ver, que yo nun lo dixe por esi casu concretu, yera un exemplu cualquiera. A ver, en sí la votación tampoco ye que sirva pa muncho, porque por encima les votaciones tan los principios de Wikipedia. ¿El cartafueyu ye una fonte acreditada? Sí, vien de la academia de la llingua na que ta escrita la Wikipedia. Pues ya ta, val como fonte. ¿Hai otres fontes na nuesa llingua? Nun tengo ni idea. Si les hai, y nun coinciden col cartafueyu, habrá que ver na discusión de cada país / ciudá con cual nos quedamos. Vamos, como se fae con cualquier otro artículu. Recordai: Wikipedia nun ye una democracia. Da igual que to dios vote que "la tierra ye plana". Si les fontes acreditaes que tenemos dicen que ye redonda, ye lo que tien que ponese. Nun sé si me toi esplicando o lo toi liando más. Un saludu. --<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Omarete" title="Usuariu:Omarete">Omarete</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Omarete" title="Usuariu alderique:Omarete">mensaxes</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45 31 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Omarete","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omarete-2017-08-31T19:45:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-31T18:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span>Yo tamién coincidía (y coincido) col planteamientu que dabes <a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu alderique:Etienfr">Etienfr</a>, pero ye que nun puede ser. Les normes ortográfiques a min tamién me paecen una cagada (nun veo porqué hai qu'usar acentos o v/b), pero tengo qu'aceutales. Esti casu, (extremu.. ye verdá), podría ser verdá, pero nun tendría cabida nesta wikipedia. Si por exemplu mañana pasamos a nun usar la v, porque lo dicen les normes, pues dexaríemos d'usar la v. Toes estes coses, son na ALLA onde han cambiase, porque sinón creamos confusión. Personalmente, diríate que tuviemos una discusión sobre'l xentiliciu de la xente que vive nos Estaos Xuníos (¿estaunidense?¿estauxunidense?¿D'estaos xuníos?).... oye, pues esto ye tán fácil como dir a la ALLA, poner argumentos enriba la mesa.... y sabes qué? que t'escuchen. Y dialoguen contigo. Y ye posible que aceuten la propuesta, o non. Pero créeme que ye l'únicu camín. --<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Astur" title="Usuariu:Astur">Astur</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Astur" title="Usuariu alderique:Astur">alderique</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03 1 set 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z","author":"Astur","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z-Etienfr-2017-08-05T14:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z"></span>A ver, ye que cuido que tamos confundiendo lo que ye normativo y lo que nun ye, masque too provenga de l'Academia. Lo único normativo y polo tanto que tenemos que siguir, préstenos o non, son les <b>normes ortográfiques</b>, la <b>gramática</b> y el <b>DALLA</b>; a min por exemplu nun veo'l porqué han d'acentuase les pallabres agudes terminaes en diptongu decreciente (<i>Principáu</i>, <i>Uviéu</i>, <i>llamáis</i>, <i>acuéi</i>, etc.), tampoco toi d'alcuerdu en nun siguir una regla 100% etimolóxica pa escribir "b/v" y "h" como se fai na normativa oficial gallega (tener qu'escribir <i>basoria</i> y non *vasoria, <i>boda</i> y non *voda, <i>vilbu</i> y non *vilvu, <i>hermanu</i> y non *ermanu, etc.), mesmo tener que dicir <i>diptongu</i> o <i>femenín</i> en llugar de *diftongu o *feminín. Pero esto ye norma y hai que siguila y cumplila. Pero fuera d'estes trés publicaciones, el restu son solo <i><b>propuestes</b></i> que <b>podemos, o non</b>, usales y aceptales, y nesti casu tán los cartafueyos normativos (quiciabes el nome que-y dieron a la colección nun ye'l más afayadizu). Ye por eso que propunxi nun usar esos términos polo, repítolo de nuevo, mui mal fechu que ta esi cartafueyu. Y ye por eso, porque nun ye normativu, que si decidimos (anque wikipedia nun seya una democracia) nun usar esos términos, tenemos el completu drechu a nun lo facer, y nun va pasar nada. Y pa terminar, si toos tais d'alcuerdu colos mios argumentos, nun entiendo entóncenes porqué votestis agora volver a usar esos términos totalmente equivocaos d'esi cartafueyu. Ah, y que naide piense que ye un ataque pela mio parte a l'Academia; ye solo un ataque a esa publicación, cola que l'Academia la cagó y bien cagada. Y, Astur, nun ye cuestión de falar o non falar cola Academia: esi cartafueyu, que nun sé quien foi o fueron los sos redactores, fíxose, a poco que se consulte, con muncha priesa y ensin reflexonar, y eso nun ye propio d'una institución como ye l'Academia de la Llingua Asturiana; yo nun tengo nada que falar ni proponer énte ella.--<b><a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">etienfr</font></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Etienfr" class="mw-redirect" title="Usuariu alderique:Etienfr"><font color="#6b5a40">(¡Vamos parolar!)</font></a></i> <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37 17 set 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z","author":"Etienfr","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etienfr-2017-09-17T09:37:00.000Z-Astur-2017-09-01T08:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Resultáu_final" data-mw-thread-id="h-Resultáu_final-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z"><span id="Result.C3.A1u_final"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Resultáu_final-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z"></span>Resultáu final<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Resultáu_final-Votación_pa_usar_los_nomes_de_países,_capitales,_xentilicios,_etc,_etc_según-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Editar el código fuente de la sección: Resultáu final"><span>editar la fonte</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vsuarezp-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z-Resultáu_final"></span>Apruébase'l cambiu propuestu. --<a href="/wiki/Usuariu:Vsuarezp" title="Usuariu:Vsuarezp">Vsuarezp</a> (<a href="/wiki/Usuariu_alderique:Vsuarezp" title="Usuariu alderique:Vsuarezp">alderique</a>) <a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votaciones/Archivu/2017#c-Vsuarezp-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z-Resultáu_final" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21 31 ago 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vsuarezp-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z-Resultáu_final"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">contestar</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Vsuarezp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vsuarezp-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z-Result\u00e1u_final","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vsuarezp-2017-08-31T10:21:00.000Z-Resultáu_final"></span></li></ul> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐79d9bc49cc‐nbqfc Cached time: 20241203032754 Cache expiry: 2592000 Reduced expiry: false Complications: [] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.017 seconds CPU time usage: 0.047 seconds Real time usage: 0.080 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 63/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 372/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 0/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 2/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 9.858 1 -total 36.73% 3.621 1 Plantía:Votación_archivada 30.03% 2.960 1 Plantía:A_favor 29.74% 2.932 1 Plantía:Escontra --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key astwiki:pcache:104063:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241203032754 and revision id 2891442. 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