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</div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649293" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Surely the answer is to simply licence an overseas qualification system that works well. Maybe from the UK, Victoria Australia, Singapore, whatever. Then sack everyone at the Ministry responsible for the current mess. </p> <p>BTW I would do exactly the same with the curriculum. Why on earth does New Zealand need it’s own maths curriculum? Pay Singapore a licence fee. Or Estonia. There are probably ten to choose from. </p> <p>I don’t understand why the government does not deal to this outfit.😩</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649293" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649293-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">46</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649293" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649293-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649293"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649293', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649293');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649293">November 26, 2024 8:24am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649297" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-maxritchie even depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://Google" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Cassandra</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>There’s a lot the Government could do. Why do we have a Ministry of Maori Development? Women’s Affairs? And as for funding the Royal Society and the Marsden I’m speechless. But as you recommend, a start with Education should have happened on Day One.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649297" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649297-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">31</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649297" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649297-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649297"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649297', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649297');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649297">November 26, 2024 8:30am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649307" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-patreon_84281796 odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Mark Hanley</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Bang on Benedict. </p> <p>An alternative would be to recruit someone from the UK, who was responsible for implementing their education system, to do the same here, no need to pay royalties.</p> <p>Then sack everyone in the MOE!</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649307" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649307-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649307" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649307-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649307"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649307', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649307');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649307">November 26, 2024 8:40am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649395" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-magsta even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Maggy Wassilieff</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p><i>An alternative would be to recruit someone from the UK,</i></p> <p>I recall that a UK import was responsible for much of the constructivist approach to the NZ science curriculum introduced in the 1990s. He seems to have been blighted by his experience of not getting into a grammar school upon sitting the 11+.</p> <p>He had no awareness that NZ’s schools (at that time) did not run on the same social class-competitive system.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649395" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649395-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">7</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649395" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649395-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649395"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649395', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649395');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649395">November 26, 2024 10:30am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649413" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>MW </p> <p>As I recall ncea is a Scottish import , designed to give everyone a piece of paper to show they’ve had an education .</p> <p>Because under the old system up to 20% were ‘failures’, now even more are!</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649413" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649413-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649413" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649413-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649413"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649413', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649413');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649413">November 26, 2024 10:47am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649299" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-taieri even depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Taieri</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Surely the answer is to simply licence an overseas qualification system that works well.<br /> ———-</p> <p>And not just that. The way NZ health system is being managed is scandalous. The colossal waste there is simply unbelievable. 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Unfortunately, in NZ whether we’re building houses or teaching kids, we try to do it bespoke, which we simply don’t have the scale to do.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649393" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649393-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649393" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649393-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649393"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649393', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649393');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649393">November 26, 2024 10:26am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649310" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Because over the years Helen Clark decided who to appoint to run her Education Department – now they are as big as any Mafia, who have no intention of listening to anybody with whom they disagree, and their senior staff are scared stiff of not accepting from the top as to what is actually happening – and they are paid more than in the Privare sector.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Until we get rid of the Ministry of Education completely we will continue to see failure.</p> <p>Fund the pupil not the school is how successful countries operate schools. Let the market decide. It really is as simple as that.</p> <p>Of course, that solution will never be adopted in NZ. If you want a proper education for your children they need to live somewhere else.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649321" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649321-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">16</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649321" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649321-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649321"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649321', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649321');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649321">November 26, 2024 8:57am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649386" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-flossie odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Flossie</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I would seriously like to know how funding the pupil would work.<br /> Does the Tax Payer give money to the child’s parent/guardian and the child is sent off to the best school possible. Or do certain adults add the funds to their drug/drink pot and forget to send the child to any school at all.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649386" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649386-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649386" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649386-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649386"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649386', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649386');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649386">November 26, 2024 10:17am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649394" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-essenx even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>EssenX</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>It’s not that hard. Effectively, the parents have a voucher that can be redeemed at a school. The parents then have choice where to enrol. School gets funds by cashing enrolling the student.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649394" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649394-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649394" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649394-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649394"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649394', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649394');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649394">November 26, 2024 10:28am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649438" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Yes what EssenX says.</p> <p>You need to be prepared to let the dud schools shut down. Even more critically you need to let the successful schools quickly expand. Do whatever it takes.</p> <p>Let’s assume that Wellington Girls College is over subscribed. It needs to be able to quickly establish new branches in, say, Upper Hutt and Porirua.</p> <p>Yes there would be much detail to work through but it could be done.</p> <p>I have worked at the Ministry of Education. More than once. 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I’m not sure what the contractual details are or for how long the Singapore system has been in place but I assume that the initiative was taken during the Ardern years.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649333" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649333-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649333" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649333-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649333"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649333', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649333');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649333">November 26, 2024 9:03am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649344" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>That would mean the Education Department would lose control.<br /> Can’t have that in the Aotearoa socialist utopia. 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They have announced that the text books for the new curriculum will be delayed. Apparently demand was high and they will be unable to supply books to some schools until mid term 1.</p> <p>Comments</p> <p>1. Demand is not unexpected. The MOE knows exactly how many students did NCEA L1 maths this year. Apparently there will be less dioing it next year as schools pull out of NCEA L1.</p> <p>2. We are talking about printing text books. There are dozens of NZ print shops that could print a few thousand books within weeks (and be happy for the business). There are Chinese (and other) print shops that would be happy to print 100,000 or so text books and would ship before Christmas. </p> <p>So what is the real reason why some text books cant be supplied?<br /> My money is on either mismanagement at the MOE where some pleb ordered from a supplier who cant supply on time OR budget constraints. I suspect more likely its mismanagement. Either way, heads should roll and I am talking at the top level. Where is the normally awesome Erika Stanford on this? </p> <p>p.s. Before people say ‘the minister cant just sack the CEO’, that’s right wing ass covering BS. If the minister cant directly sack the CEO they can certainly sack the Board and replace them with one that will sack the CEO.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649349" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649349-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649349" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649349-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649349"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649349', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649349');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649349">November 26, 2024 9:26am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649422" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Good stuff Rob. You are correct, sack the board and get the CEO sacked!<br /> Get Elon and Vivek in there.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649422" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649422-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649422" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649422-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649422"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649422', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649422');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649422">November 26, 2024 10:56am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649437" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The Education Department are telling us that they remain totally in charge on all things that they want, despite what Government are in power.<br /> I assume they cannot wait until Labour get back in so that they will continue to destroy the education of children of New Zealand in their Marxis (and Maori) belief.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649437" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649437-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649437" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649437-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649437"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649437', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649437');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649437">November 26, 2024 11:06am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649441" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The Ministry of Education does not have a Board. Just saying. Only person who could dismiss a CE is the Public Service Commissioner.</p> <p>BTW the position of CE of education is currently vacant. Will be interesting to see who gets it. If one of the current second tier managers gets it we are doomed.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649441" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649441-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649441" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649441-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649441"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649441', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649441');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649441">November 26, 2024 11:13am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649454" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Ha, was sure you would respond 🙂</p> <p>Seems to me my point remains.</p> <p>If the minister is unhappy with the CEO, or in this case the acting CE, they can have the board or in this case the Public Service Commissioner sack them. </p> <p>Heads need to roll in the MOE for such an epic failure of basic duty. 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You two could be the Musk and Ramaswamy of NZ and make some simple but very effective changes.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649392" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649392-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649392" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649392-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649392"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649392', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649392');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649392">November 26, 2024 10:25am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649426" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Boy that needs a lot of upticks.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649426" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649426-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649426" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649426-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649426"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649426', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649426');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649426">November 26, 2024 10:57am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649314" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-inandout even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Inandout</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Maggy, after listening to Luxon speaking with Hosking this morning I have kind of lost hope that this Coalition will make any sweeping changes. The PM is full of ‘you knows’ but is very reluctant to be nailed on any issue. He keeps harping on about NZ being deep in debt but won’t slash any areas wasting taxpayer money.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649314" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649314-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649314" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649314-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649314"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649314', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649314');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649314">November 26, 2024 8:49am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649391" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-sacha odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Sacha</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I’m surprised you could hear the PM under the continual shouting from Hosking.<br /> Excitedly repeating the same question, more shrilly and with increasing volume doesn’t make for good listening.<br /> Not to mention that it’s bad manners to shout at your guests.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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It would explain why it is so poor at educating children (it isn’t supposed to, Friere’s pedagogy is turn students into Marxists).</p> <p>There have been Frierean idiots in NZ long before NCEA got off the ground – people like <a href="https://kotare.org.nz/who-we-are/" rel="nofollow ugc">Sue Bradford and Catherine Delahunty</a> amongst others. Where being actually educated is considered Bourgeoisie.</p> <p><i>We sought inspiration and guidance from the teachings of Paulo Freire and educators like Frs Filip Fanchette and John Curnow who brought the tools of Freirean structural analysis to Aotearoa in the 1980s.</i></p> <p><a href="https://static1.squarespace.com/static/627df67682849a30bccf8447/t/62fc7f1cf6a2a7012fd75d0c/1660714781223/Ko%CC%84tare+Research+and+Education+-+Hope+and+a+place+to+stand.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">Bradford’s own words.</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649322" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649322-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649322" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649322-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649322"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649322', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649322');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649322">November 26, 2024 8:57am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649387" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-burtland even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Burtland</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>introduced under Trevor Mallard and Clark starting 2002</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649387" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649387-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649387" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649387-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649387"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649387', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649387');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649387">November 26, 2024 10:17am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649444" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-colinxy odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Colinxy</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>My fault for not being explicit enough. I meant the people who actually came up with NCEA and what it would contain…not the rubber stamping of Mallard.</p> <p>I’m sure Mallard helped direct it, but he lacked the brainpower to undertake anything of that matter.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649444" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649444-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649444" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649444-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649444"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649444', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649444');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649444">November 26, 2024 11:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649430" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-magsta even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Maggy Wassilieff</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>When I turned up for secondary teaching in the 1990s (after working as a scientist and scientific editor) I kept encountering “constructivism”… and we were meant to explore the concepts children/pupils already had in their heads about a topic before we introduced new material.</p> <p>Seems the grand idea was that children “construct” their own framework of knowledge based on their prior knowledge.</p> <p>It meant, of course, that a lot of class-time was wasted as kids contributed their (usually false) ideas/speculations about a new topic.</p> <p>(i.e. — Let’s explore what we mean by <b> ENERGY</b>)… you can be damn sure that no-one in Year 9C science is going to shout out “the ability to do work”.)…..</p> <p>I never came across Friere, Critical Theory etc until I started reading Kiwiblog (long after I left teaching).</p> <p>However, One of my Science Tutors at Training College was Rose Hipkins.. (I liked her.)_<br /> She left for the NZCER soon after…and became very influential in pushing Critical theory into the science curriculum. and was very influenced by Latour.</p> <p><a href="https://commonroomnz.com/rose-hipkins-and-the-refreshed-science-curriculum/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://commonroomnz.com/rose-hipkins-and-the-refreshed-science-curriculum/</a></p> <p>My experience of coming into Science Teaching after having worked as PhD researcher, and a consultant ecologist , is that the science tutors at Training college were disconnected from everyday Science practitioners…(let alone builders, engineers, nurses, cooks etc)…and were more interested in the philosophy and sociology of science.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649430" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649430-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649430" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649430-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649430"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649430', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649430');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649430">November 26, 2024 10:59am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649457" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-colinxy odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Colinxy</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Oh great “Constructivism”. That’s very post-modern and more mystic crap ~ basically nothing exists before perception.</p> <p>While it is feasible for Constructivism not to be Critical Theory, the two are inevitably intwined. Of course, Woke is Critical Constructivism, though I believe it should more formally be called Critical Constructivist Standpoint Epistemology.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649457" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649457-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649457" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649457-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649457"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649457', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649457');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649457">November 26, 2024 11:28am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649356" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-patreon_74446713 even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Dave</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>NCEA is just one more example of NZ educators’ credulous and naive search for a magic bullet which would end failure, their reluctance to sceptically assess programmes with empirical evidence and then acknowledge, ‘Oh no, fooled again!’ </p> <p>As a former teacher (31 years in NZ, 10 overseas) I’m with BY @ 8.24. We should stop thinking how special we are and stop trying to reinvent the wheel – instead start using what can be shown to work overseas in fact rather than in (critical) theory.</p> <p>Edit: this was intended as a reply to MW’s 8.07 comment.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649356" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649356-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649356" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649356-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649356"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649356', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649356');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649356">November 26, 2024 9:31am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649284" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-simon odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Simon</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Just vote / support ACT. National well on the way to becoming Pre-Trump republican party or even much worse the UK Conservative party. Its over.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649284" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649284-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">33</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649284" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649284-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">10</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649284"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649284', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649284');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649284">November 26, 2024 8:10am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649295" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g_the_giant_from_dunedin even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_poorly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G the giant from Dunedin</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Hidden due to low comment rating. <a href="javascript:crSwitchDisplay('ckhide-3649295');" title="Click to see comment">Click here to see</a>.</p><div id='ckhide-3649295' style="display:none; 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Is it their free-market policies? Their freedom of choice policies? Or do you just dislike Seymour’s quirky/annoying personality?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649326" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649326-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">17</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649326" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649326-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649326"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649326', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649326');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649326">November 26, 2024 8:59am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649368" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-thirteenstars odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://thirteenstarsemail@gmail.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">thirteenstars</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>It’s a tenet of faith amongst Nat stalwarts that every vote ACT gets is a vote stolen from National. It’s pathological with many of them.</p> <p>ACT Derangement Syndrome.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649368" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649368-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">7</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649368" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649368-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649368"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649368', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649368');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649368">November 26, 2024 9:46am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649372" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g_the_giant_from_dunedin even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G the giant from Dunedin</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I am not anti Act this is the problem, I have given my party vote to act before. The problem is fools demanding we vote Act, I am do dick of people not realising the election is won in the centre, centre voters or voters that can go either way will never vote act. And as for his ridiculous comment that Nats are like Trump is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, if anyone is close yo Trump it is Seymour.</p> <p>I hope this makes you understand my point of view, as I said I don’t dislike Act, it’s arrogant people telling me who to vote for.</p> <p>The alternative, is Labour, Greens and TPM all in cabinet</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649372" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649372-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649372" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649372-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">5</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649372"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649372', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649372');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649372">November 26, 2024 9:50am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649384" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Voting National OR Act works equally well to prevent a left wing block.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649384" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649384-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">7</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649384" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649384-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649384"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649384', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649384');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649384">November 26, 2024 10:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649388" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-john1234 even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://ma" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">john1234</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>As long as the party achieves 5% or an electorate MP then taking a vote from NAT to ACT isn’t a problem for a centre right voter. It is simply a small nudge to the right. It doesn’t benefit the LAB/GRN/TPM axis of evil.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649388" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649388-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649388" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649388-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649388"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649388', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649388');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649388">November 26, 2024 10:17am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649398" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-don_the_kiwi odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Don Beckett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>What does’ ” I am do dick of people” mean ? 😆</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649398" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649398-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649398" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649398-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649398"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649398', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649398');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649398">November 26, 2024 10:32am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649414" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kiwikidsnz even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kiwikidsnz</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>“…centre voters or voters that can go either way will never vote act.”</p> <p>I voted 90% Labour since Kirk – & I voted 2 ticks ACT in 2023. 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So vote for the party which you think is the least of the evils. For example if you hate Labour but want to teach National a lesson then vote ACT.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649403" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649403-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649403" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649403-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649403"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649403', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649403');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649403">November 26, 2024 10:39am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649445" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>2026 National will get a large surprise from Act.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649445" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649445-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649445" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649445-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649445"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649445', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649445');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649445">November 26, 2024 11:16am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649341" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-yabster odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Yabster</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>dumb comment of the day? National need a strong ACT as it has bugger all coalition partners- esp when Winnie pulls stumps.</p> <p>By all means stand up for National but don’t be politically naive.</p> <p>Voted National all my life except last election party voted ACT and voted for the National candidate. National in my opinion are too soft on many issues- so I voted ACT to give them more backbone!</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649341" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649341-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">29</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649341" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649341-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649341"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649341', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649341');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649341">November 26, 2024 9:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649355" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Exactly the same story. I am glad I voted Act becuase this iteration of National seems to lack any kind of back bone. I will be voting Act next election at this rate too.</p> <p>I voted National for my local MP but I am considering voting Labour next time. I dont give a F who they put up, if you are not going to represent your local electorate I will punish you.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649355" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649355-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649355" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649355-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649355"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649355', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649355');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649355">November 26, 2024 9:31am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649374" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g_the_giant_from_dunedin odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G the giant from Dunedin</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Not a dumb comment, I understand the election is won in the centre, I am so sick of people dictating my vote, I don’t do it to them, as I said above I use to give my party vote to Act which was a waste of time, and centre NZers will never vote Act. 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I use to give my party vote to Act, it turned out to be a waste, yes I did party vote Act when you went in on the list. </p> <p>I hope this helps you understand my point of view, I d as m over arrogance of people dictating what I should think.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649378" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649378-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649378" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649378-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">3</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649378"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649378', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649378');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649378">November 26, 2024 9:56am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649432" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-quail even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://kiwiblog" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Quail</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Most of the above shows MMP in all its glory.<br /> The end result , as has happened elsewhere, people just won’t bother to vote.<br /> A Bureaucratic delight</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649432" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649432-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649432" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649432-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649432"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649432', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649432');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649432">November 26, 2024 10:59am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649451" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>“I hope this helps you understand my point of view..”</p> <p>No, I am none the wiser.</p> <p>I don’t see anyone “telling you how to vote”.</p> <p>I support ACT because their policies match my views by an overwhelming margin.</p> <p>I cannot support ACT because their policies on important issues like climate change, education the Treaty, and fiscal policy are not much different to those of Labour. Yes they are less wasteful, much less wasteful.</p> <p>However being “better than the Ardern government” is hardly an achievement. If you look at the big policy areas I just cited, and several others, National policies merely halt or slow the decline of the nation. It is not enough to stop New Zealand ending up like a cross betwen Argentina, Fiji and Zimbabwe. 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The dead Maori have a vote now too! 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Peter Pan was so bad…..Captain Hook was a grey headed female. He said the only good thing was the crocodile. 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Let the people decide .This has gone too far.And the editorial is simply more evidence of exactly what Seymour says about our constitution being determined and interpreted by Elites .</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649306" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649306-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">17</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649306" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649306-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649306"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649306', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649306');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649306">November 26, 2024 8:39am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649359" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>As I said yesterday with regards to TVNZ and RNZ, these organisations are infected with progressive liberal elites and Maori activists. You will never see a story critical of the Maori side of a dispute in any of the MSM. </p> <p>I know that Maori are / were great pacifists and really cared for the environment before the evil white colonists arrived with the wheel BUT I am pretty sure they are human and not right about everything.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649359" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649359-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649359" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649359-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649359"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649359', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649359');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649359">November 26, 2024 9:37am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649446" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Bet you do not know what a Maori tastes like either !</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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I’d say most if not all. </p> <p>I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. </p> <p>Not only was this widely discussed as a potential feature of MMP when we were talking about moving from FPP – it was lauded by MMP proponents as a major reason for bringing MMP in – that minorities of people could have their voice heard and represented in Parliament! Something that FPP denied them. </p> <p>What I’m increasingly now sure of though is that these proponents only had in mind a gaggle of left-wing minority parties, like far-left, Green or ethnic parties etc coming in under MMP – they didn’t conceive of right-wing parties coming in and thriving – and now that they have to both see and endure it they have realised they don’t like it one bit! </p> <p>Well, suck it up luvvies. You wanted it and now you’ve got it. 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I have always thought Willis might be part of the common-sense solution crowd – but nah, she is “one of them”.</p> <p>She was explaining why our increasing debt and increased Govt spending was so much better than the last lot, some girl maths logic about “we are increasing spending at a slower rate than Labour….”</p> <p>It just reinforced to me that NZ has few chances remaining to thrive. Big Govt is here to stay.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649317" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649317-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">23</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649317" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649317-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649317"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649317', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649317');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649317">November 26, 2024 8:51am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649373" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kevn odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kevn</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Grunter… Indeed.<br /> <a href="https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/finance-minister-willis-challenges-downtoearth-kiwi-to-give-her-ideas-about-how-to-break-monopoly" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/finance-minister-willis-challenges-downtoearth-kiwi-to-give-her-ideas-about-how-to-break-monopoly</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649373" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649373-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649373" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649373-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649373"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649373', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649373');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649373">November 26, 2024 9:52am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649320" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-peterwn even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>peterwn</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>“A Ponsonby chief executive accused of bashing a pensioner in an alleged road rage incident involving a $430,000 supercar says he is not that wealthy, has finance to pay on his car, and is suffering severe stress at the prospect of being publicly identified.”<br /> Oh diddums. He should have thought of that before he used his fists. The consequences he is going to suffer are no different from what any ordinary person is going to suffer. If he is stressed at the prospect of being identified he should seek appropriate professional assistance. If he is ‘not wealthy’ a good start would be to sell his supercar and buy something more modest. He will also probably claim that the sky will fall unless he is discharged without conviction.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649320" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649320-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649320" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649320-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649320"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649320', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649320');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649320">November 26, 2024 8:57am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649331" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-blog-aholic odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Blog-aholic</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>He could borrow against his mortgage for an appropriate cultural report……..</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649331" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649331-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">12</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649331" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649331-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649331"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649331', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649331');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649331">November 26, 2024 9:02am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649350" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Picked on a pensioner just because he lost his rag.<br /> Would he have tried the same with a fit 25 year old?<br /> Coward. 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The NZRU is woke as F. Remember they are the ones who wanted female and Maori quotas on the board.</p> <p>Get woke go broke. Is it a coincidence that rugby in NZ is on a slow and consistent downward trend?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649366" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649366-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649366" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649366-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649366"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649366', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649366');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649366">November 26, 2024 9:44am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649381" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-burtland even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Burtland</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>NZRU seems to like apartheid<br /> – supported it in the 1980s with the Springbok tour and now with Perenara </p> <p>does Dame Patsy support racism?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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If he can’t hold his temper in a car incident, then he won’t be able to do so in his job. Name him, and perhaps he will get fired.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649336" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649336-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">12</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649336" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649336-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649336"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649336', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649336');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649336">November 26, 2024 9:10am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649420" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>People who react criminally in driving situations are not fit and proper to be licensed .</p> <p>Driving is a privelige , not a right.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649420" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649420-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649420" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649420-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649420"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649420', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649420');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649420">November 26, 2024 10:54am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649337" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-rouppe even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>rouppe</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Kim Dot Com has had a stroke. </p> <p>Now we’ll never get rid of him, and he’ll cost the health system bigly.</p> <p>Our governments couldn’t even do that right.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649337" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649337-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">17</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649337" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649337-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649337"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649337', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649337');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649337">November 26, 2024 9:11am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649370" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Yup. The last Labour govt sat on their hands for a couple of years and didnt sign the extradition docs. The current govt did finally sign them earlier this year but our legal system is such that the guy is still here now and probably gets another 3years or so before the process restarts now.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649370" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649370-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649370" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649370-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649370"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649370', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649370');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649370">November 26, 2024 9:48am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649401" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-matt_long even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Matt Long</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>If KDC hasn’t private health insurance, I don’t know who will, it might cost a few million a year in premiums but I can’t see him lining up in Public A&E for the use of a standard sized bed.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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I dont believe private insurance allows one to move to a private hospital for recovery from a public procedure. I guess he will have specialists for his recovery although he likely wont want to fully recover as that would allow extradition.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649434" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649434-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649434" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649434-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649434"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649434', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649434');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649434">November 26, 2024 11:03am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649455" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Agreed, my wife six months ago had a stroke, and albeit occurred following a Private Hospital hip opertion, was immediatly taken into the Public Sector and even Helicopted from Tauranga to Auckkland at six in the morning for a four hour plus brain operation.<br /> Back to Tauranga for 2 months hospital and now convalesing at home with me as care giver (after 60 year marriage).<br /> All I can say how wonderful every part of the operation for my wife has been.<br /> Thank goodnes we live where we do, as all the people have all been wonderful despite that fact that after the stroke life will never be the same again.<br /> Not easy to adjust so we can expct DotCom to be similar – not the best, but wish him well, as he will never be the same again.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649455" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649455-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649455" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649455-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649455"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649455', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649455');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649455">November 26, 2024 11:27am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649421" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Stroke of genius. 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Peter Pan was so bad…..Captain Hook was a grey headed female. He said the only good thing was the crocodile. Vowed never to go again</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649346" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649346-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649346" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649346-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649346"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649346', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649346');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649346">November 26, 2024 9:20am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649351" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-bridgenag even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Bridgenag</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>sorry somehow got here twice Was in reply to F and F</p> <p>Maybe delete Mods</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649351" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649351-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649351" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649351-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649351"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649351', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649351');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649351">November 26, 2024 9:28am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649365" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-trout odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://www.flospac.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">trout</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>HDPA at 1zb pointed out to the ‘up – himself’ Chris Finlayson that his much vaunted Tuhoe settlement was more of a takeover by Tuhoe than co-management of Te Urewera. She reminded him of the (unlawful) demolition of huts and general lack of (paid for) maintenance. Finlayson’s response was to tell us the DOC had a member on the Board. A good example of how DOC has become subservient to iwi wishes. In other parts of the North Island access once promised (and legalized by way of easements) is now being denied; locked gates, vandalism, etc. DOC just lie down and watch it happen. If foreshore is vested in Maori public access will be maintained – yeah right!</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649365" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649365-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">19</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649365" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649365-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649365"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649365', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649365');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649365">November 26, 2024 9:44am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649428" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Hey National , thanks for nothing.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649428" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649428-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649428" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649428-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649428"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649428', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649428');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649428">November 26, 2024 10:58am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649377" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kevn odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kevn</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I don’t want the Mods deleted.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649377" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649377-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649377" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649377-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649377"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649377', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649377');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649377">November 26, 2024 9:54am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649380" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>What are “different rights?” Then she says “separate rights”<br /> I read that as racist rights.<br /> Video, interview with Jack Tame. Packer is getting almost as good as Ardern by deflecting answers with word salad.<br /> Next it will be “I grew up in a middle class………….”</p> <p><a href="https://centrist.nz/debbie-ngarewa-packer-admits-maori-have-different-rights/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://centrist.nz/debbie-ngarewa-packer-admits-maori-have-different-rights/</a>?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649380" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649380-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">7</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649380" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649380-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_26_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649380"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649380', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649380');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_26_november_2024.html#comment-3649380">November 26, 2024 10:02am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649399" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-yabster odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Yabster</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Jack Tame being lame again- his interview style changes when he interviews the left- way more confrontation with the right- part of TVNZ’s political biases.</p> <p>Packer is nuts- but we shouldn’t under estimate her- they have an agenda and are executing it- sign up the plebs on the Maori roll and get more seats and more influence.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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