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id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Noblemen" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Noblemen"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Noblemen</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Noblemen-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>I am tired of being attacked by Mason</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-French_immigrants_to_Canada" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#French_immigrants_to_Canada"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>French immigrants to Canada</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-French_immigrants_to_Canada-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Precious_anniversary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Precious_anniversary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Precious anniversary</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Precious_anniversary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edlers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edlers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Edlers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edlers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>17th-century mayors of places in the United States</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Islam_and_slavery" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Islam_and_slavery"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Category:Islam and slavery</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Islam_and_slavery-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Colonial_Americans" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Colonial_Americans"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Colonial Americans</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Colonial_Americans-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Greek_Muses" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Greek_Muses"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Greek Muses</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Greek_Muses-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Drawing_artists" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Drawing_artists"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Drawing artists</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Drawing_artists-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_on_Numberblocks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_on_Numberblocks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Request on Numberblocks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Request_on_Numberblocks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-West_Asia_v._Middle_East" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#West_Asia_v._Middle_East"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>West Asia v. Middle East</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AA_Baseball_CFD" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AA_Baseball_CFD"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>AA Baseball CFD</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-AA_Baseball_CFD-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists has been nominated for merging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Categorization by historical subdivisions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Writers_about_the_Holocaust" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Writers_about_the_Holocaust"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Writers about the Holocaust</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Writers_about_the_Holocaust-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hong_Kong_women_rappers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hong_Kong_women_rappers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Hong Kong women rappers</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:TripleS_(group)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:TripleS_(group)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Category:TripleS (group)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:TripleS_(group)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Medieval history of Bahrain</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>I currently am diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lego_Dimensions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lego_Dimensions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Lego Dimensions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Lego_Dimensions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_procedure" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_procedure"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>New procedure</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_procedure-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers has been nominated for merging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mexican_California" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mexican_California"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Mexican California</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mexican_California-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Kingdoms_of_the_Vedic_period" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Kingdoms_of_the_Vedic_period"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Kingdoms of the Vedic period</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Kingdoms_of_the_Vedic_period-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Invitation to participate in a research</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Invitation_to_participate_in_a_research-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:People by former municipality in Latvia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:People_by_former_municipality_in_Latvia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Category:2028 elections in the United States by state</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:17th_century_in_Somalia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:17th_century_in_Somalia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:17th century in Somalia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:17th_century_in_Somalia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:13th_century_in_Somalia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:13th_century_in_Somalia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:13th century in Somalia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:13th_century_in_Somalia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American Californios</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:American_Californios-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category_idea" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category_idea"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Category idea</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category_idea-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Habib_Bourguiba" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Habib_Bourguiba"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Habib Bourguiba</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Habib_Bourguiba-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Chronology_cleanup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Chronology_cleanup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Chronology cleanup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Chronology_cleanup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_penny_for_your_thoughts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_penny_for_your_thoughts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>A penny for your thoughts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_penny_for_your_thoughts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Su_Weidao" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Su_Weidao"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Su Weidao</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Su_Weidao-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Please_check_my_talk_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Please_check_my_talk_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Please check my talk page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Please_check_my_talk_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Overcategorization?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Overcategorization?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Overcategorization?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Overcategorization?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Crown of Castile is not the Kingdom of Castile</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Crown_of_Aragon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Crown_of_Aragon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Crown of Aragon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Crown_of_Aragon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Small cat is deprecated but still invoked</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Season's_Greetings" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Season's_Greetings"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Season's Greetings</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Season's_Greetings-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Legendary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Legendary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Legendary</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Legendary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Charlotte_de_Berr" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Charlotte_de_Berr"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Charlotte de Berr</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Charlotte_de_Berr-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Gila_Giraldo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gila_Giraldo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Gila Giraldo</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Gila_Giraldo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Conan_Meriadoc" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Conan_Meriadoc"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>Conan Meriadoc</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Conan_Meriadoc-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Indeg" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Indeg"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Indeg</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Indeg-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_holidays!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_holidays!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Happy holidays!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_holidays!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Colonel_Plug" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Colonel_Plug"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Colonel Plug</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Colonel_Plug-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aergol_Lawhir" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aergol_Lawhir"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Aergol Lawhir</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Aergol_Lawhir-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Yo_Ho_Ho!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Yo_Ho_Ho!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>Yo Ho Ho!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Yo_Ho_Ho!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Idea about ambassador and diplomat categories</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ambassadors_of_Prussia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ambassadors_of_Prussia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Ambassadors of Prussia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ambassadors_of_Prussia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jeremy_Kinsman" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jeremy_Kinsman"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Jeremy Kinsman</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Jeremy_Kinsman-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Ambassadors of Russia to Costa Rica</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Category:Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Soviet Union)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>Ambassadors of the Soviet Union</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Consuls" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Consuls"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>Consuls</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Consuls-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>I think we should not have general high commissioners categories</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Valide_Hatun" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Valide_Hatun"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>Valide Hatun</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Valide_Hatun-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3 § Category:1788 establishments in Tahiti</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>Baseball diffusion by Texas County</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pharmacy_schools" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pharmacy_schools"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>Pharmacy schools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pharmacy_schools-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Music_schools" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Music_schools"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>Music schools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Music_schools-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>A general problem with these by state categories</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Art_schools" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Art_schools"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Art schools</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Art_schools-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Category:Númenor has been nominated for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Category:LGBTQ_historiography" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Category:LGBTQ_historiography"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9 § Category:LGBTQ historiography</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Category:LGBTQ_historiography-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aviation_schools_category" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aviation_schools_category"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>Aviation schools category</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Aviation_schools_category-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10 § Category:Disasters in the Russian Empire by year</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>Old Indian Judge category renaming</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fictional_characters_presumed_dead"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>Fictional characters presumed dead</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Female_murder_victims" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Female_murder_victims"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>Category:Female murder victims</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Female_murder_victims-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-by_behavior" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#by_behavior"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>by behavior</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-by_behavior-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Category:People_by_city" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Category:People_by_city"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30 § Category:People by city</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Category:People_by_city-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>Scholars of pre-colonial Africa</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>Withdrawal of CfD nomination</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place has been nominated for merging</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mount_Rushmore_fireworks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>Mount Rushmore fireworks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>Category:Sanskrit aesthetics</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>New message from Lost in Quebec</span> </div> </a> <span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_nobility-20240817230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Women nobility"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"></span>Mason just asked me to stop creating new noblewomen categories. I think this is very unfair and an abuse of process. She has clearly not in Amy way presented an argument that being a noblewomam is not defining, and it is clearly a case where being such as a place where gender and occupation intersect a huge amount. So much so that most such categories as far as I can tell are fully diffused btmy gender. Dukes and Duchesses; Counts or Earls and Countesses, Barons and Baroness, Princesses and princesses. For most of these noble titles there is no gender neutral position. I do not think anyone would ever call a duchess a Duke or a Countess a count. Mason is the only of about 5 editors who has proposed deletion, and she has not really addressed how that would work. Does this mean delete Countess, duchess etc cats, or would we just delete the women nobility tree. And not allow say French noblewomen but allow French Duchesses? An issue here is some of the people who get placed directly in X nationality women are noblewomen for whom we either do not know the title, or do not have a category on the title. I think being a noblewomen is in the main more defining than being a Countess or a duchess. In a lot of cases the real difference between Countess and duchess is negligible. Some women are both simultaneously. Lastly is women nobility mean to collect articles on titles or people? Right now it's actual content is articles on titles, although only 2. I am thinking we want both categories, one to collect articles on titles, and another to collect articles on people </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000-Women_nobility"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> there is no sense of urgency in creating new noblewomen categories, so let's first wait how the discussion plays out. I agree with you that deletion would raise issues and maybe at most a merge is possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240818052600-Johnpacklambert-20240817230000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"></span>Someone has tried to argue Queens do not go here since royalty and nobility are different. However Royalty is a sub-cat of nobility. So it would seem we can place all royalty categories within nobility categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240818124400-Marcocapelle-20240818052600"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nobility_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"></span>Nobility by country<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nobility_by_country-20240819121100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Nobility by country"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"></span>I do not think we want to move this to by nationality. The think is here we want to link the title to the country where it originates in, the actual residence of the holder of the title does not matter. I think we might want to go the other way around and change most categories to forms like "Counts in France" instead of "French counts". I also noticed that "royalty by country" is a sub-cat of this. Up until recently "royalty" was a sub-cat of "nobility", however an editor recently moved it out. He also left a very rude note on my talk page about this. The things is many people have at the same time held titles that were both royal and noble. So for a time the King of England was at the same time Duke of Normandy, Duke of Anjou and Duke of Aquitaine, all nobles titles in France. The King of Denmark was Duke of Holstein, and there are other examples. Also at times you had dukes and other holders of noble tiles who were de facto independent. It might be better to create a parent category "Nobility and royalty" and possibly rename some of the sub-cats along those lines. I think though we really should stay with country. "Nationality" is often a very poor way to descibe anything pre-1800, and that is when a large portion of the people who were nobility that we have articles actually lived.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100-Nobility_by_country"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"></span>This especially comes up because the Kingdom of France up until 1526 included the County of Flanders, the least French part of what is now Belgium. The Counts of Flanders are clearly "Counts in France", calling them "French counts" seems much more problematic. Also the Kingdom of the Netherlands from 1815-1830 includes modern Belgium, calling any nobles then "Nobles in the Netherlands" works, calling them "Dutch nobles" which is how it would be formulated on nationality lines, is more problematic. There are a lot more cases along these lines.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240819121400-Johnpacklambert-20240819121100"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Monarchs_of_South_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"></span>Monarchs of South Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Monarchs_of_South_Africa-20240820030100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Monarchs of South Africa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"></span>One issue here is some of these were monarches in what is now South Africa before South Africa existed. However we have other similarly poorly named categories. Sometimes with no rhyme of reason. We have "Princes of the Holy Roman Empure" but "Princesses in the Holy Roman Empire". Neither is primarily the children of the Emperor. There were dozens of small principalities in the Holy Roman Empire, the top ranked people were mainly the electors and the King of Bohemia, but it does seem the average Duke had more power than the average prince. So I think in would do better. I think in general with nobility we should only use "Duke of foo", "prince of foo" etc when they are "Dukes of York" or "Princes of Wales" where that is an actual title. Which means "Princes in Wales" would be the various Princes in early Medieval times, and a distinct category.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820030100-Monarchs_of_South_Africa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"></span>Counts in the Holy Roman Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire-20240820124500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Counts in the Holy Roman Empire"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"></span>We have both <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Counts in the Holy Roman Empire (page does not exist)">Category:Counts in the Holy Roman Empire</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Counts_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" title="Category:Counts of the Holy Roman Empire">Category:Counts of the Holy Roman Empire</a>. I do not believe "Count of the Holy Roman Empire" was a title. I also do not believe there is any other discernable difference. Since it was not a title, we probably should use the in form, but even more clear we are not served by having 2 categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240820124500-Counts_in_the_Holy_Roman_Empire"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_of_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"></span>Merge of category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_of_category-20240822050600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Merge of category"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"></span>As per outcome <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_12#Category:South_Korean_food_writers" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 12">Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_12#Category:South_Korean_food_writers</a>, I've never merged a category, how is it done? <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LibStar-20240822050600-Merge_of_category"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a>:</span> you don't need to do anything. The closer <a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">User:Queen of Hearts</a> will take care of it. It'll be done probably within the next few days. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240822051100-LibStar-20240822050600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"></span>OK thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:LibStar" title="User:LibStar">LibStar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LibStar" title="User talk:LibStar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LibStar-20240822051200-Marcocapelle-20240822051100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="African-American_Civil_rights_movement" data-mw-thread-id="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"></span>African-American Civil rights movement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-African-American_Civil_rights_movement-20240827022200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: African-American Civil rights movement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"></span>There was also a Latino civil rights movement in the US centered on the work of LULAC. So I think the disambiguation is very much needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240827022200-African-American_Civil_rights_movement"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Massive_removal_of_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"></span>Massive removal of categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Massive_removal_of_categories-20240828040900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Massive removal of categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"></span>Rv. These were historical **geography** categories hence their usage was perfecttly valid. I reverted your removals. If you disagree, please explain. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240828040900-Massive_removal_of_categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span>P.S. If there was a dicussion about this (I admit I may not be aware of it), please include its link to edit summaries. If there was no such discussion, it is not a good idea of embarking on massive changes without talking them through. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240828041500-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a>:</span> there have been numerous discussions in the course of years. An example is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_21#Places_by_former_East_German_administrative_division" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 21">Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_May_21#Places_by_former_East_German_administrative_division</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240828050200-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span>I see. I think there must be a general RFC in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CAT">WT:CAT</a>, because these "numerous discussions" missed my attention. I do see your point made in CFD, but I do have arguments against it. I will start the RFC tomorrow. I will let you know. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240828051100-Altenmann-20240828041500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240830181300-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span>I was thinking this through and finally agreed that categorization by old subdivision has little value --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240830181300-Altenmann-20240828040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240830181300-Altenmann-20240828040900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240830181300-Altenmann-20240828040900"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"></span>Counts of the Russian Empire<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire-20240828225900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Counts of the Russian Empire"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"></span>The dwscriptor for this category sats that thry are "counts in the Russian Empire". I think we should remame it to in.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240828225900-Counts_of_the_Russian_Empire"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate-20240830070900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate-20240830070900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate (page does not exist)">Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate-20240830070900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate (page does not exist)">Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories">category redirect</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_topics_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories">featured topics category</a>, under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories for discussion</a>, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Establishments in the Crimean Khanate (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240830070900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Establishments_in_the_Crimean_Khanate"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Noblemen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"></span>Noblemen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Noblemen-20240830173900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Noblemen"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"></span>Articles almost always describe the subject as a "nobleman" not another term. There is no actual argument for upmerging this category. No one has pointed out any issues with the fact that historically knights were nobles and ladies were noblewomen, where lady is a term for a position of rank. There is no argument advanced to upmerge this. Just a blank statement that we do not want to subdivide noblemen and noblewomen. Noblemen and noblewomen have different roles, different functions and are very different at least for most of history. I think it makes perfect sense to subdivide them. Especially since many of the subcats that do exist (especially some for barons) are under 5 articles. It would be much better to merge some barons categories up to the by country noblemen categories than to leave them as is.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240830173900-Noblemen"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"></span>I am tired of being attacked by Mason<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason-20240901202600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: I am tired of being attacked by Mason"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"></span>I am tired of bring attacked by the editor Mason. She attacked me for removing someone who died in 1718 from the 18th-century people from the Russian Empire, even though the Russian Empire did not exist until 1718. She also reverted my removal of <a href="/wiki/Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567%E2%80%931633)" title="Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)">Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)</a> from Ambassadors from the Netherlands catrgories. The Netherlands were formed in 1815 and so there were no Ambassadors from the Netherlands before that. I am tired of her insistence that she is absolutely right and especially of her insinuation that if I do not comply with her demands I will never by allied to participate in AfD ever again. That was beyond the pale of rudeness. I thought that the by century categories existed as a method to subdivide other things. It is telling that until my recent placement of the person who she complained about removal from the 18th-century people from the Russian Empire directly in the 18th-century people category there was no person in the 18th-century people category directly.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600-I_am_tired_of_being_attacked_by_Mason"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"></span>Really? @<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a> I'm sorry that you feel attacked. But this is an unfair characterization. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221900-Johnpacklambert-20240901202600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"></span>Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War-20240901205400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" title="Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"></span>Category:Russian military personnel of the Great Northern War</a> is another place where this comes up. Our article explicitly says this was a conflict between the Tsardom of Russia and the Swedish Empire. The creation of the Russian Empire is by our article defined as a consequence of this war. For these reasons I moved the military personnel Category under the Tsardom of Russia tree and edited the information to correctly reflect that these people were in the military of the Tsardom of Russia. With cases where we are categorizing direct government agents, that is Ambassadors, military personnel, civil servants, royalty, judges, maybe nobility and a few others, the specific polity is very important. We clearly should not categorize people are serving the Russian Empire when thry actually act before the Russian Empire existed. It is very frustrating to do edits that correctly reflect history and follow the existing articles only to have them reverted by an editor who seems most intent on imposing modern boundaries on all out understanding of the past.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400-Category:Russian_military_personnel_of_the_Great_Northern_War"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"></span>This categories parent, Russian people of the Great Northern War, only has this category as a sub-cat. No direct articles. This category is in other ways in the Great Northern War and Russian categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224000-Johnpacklambert-20240901205400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="French_immigrants_to_Canada" data-mw-thread-id="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"></span>French immigrants to Canada<span data-mw-comment-end="h-French_immigrants_to_Canada-20240901224300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: French immigrants to Canada"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada"></span>Can we at least agree that people who moved from France to New France do not belong in this category. I am thinking such a high percentage of People of New France (which probably should be renamed People from New France) were born in France that it makes no sense to create a French emigrants to New France, but we should not conflate them with Frebch immigrants to Canada, that at its broadest should be limited to Beitish and Commonwealth Canada, and makes no sense if it includes areas before British rakeover.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240901224300-French_immigrants_to_Canada"></span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Precious_anniversary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Precious_anniversary-20240902070500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Precious_anniversary-20240902070500"></span>Precious anniversary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Precious_anniversary-20240902070500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Precious anniversary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902070500-Precious_anniversary"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius:0.5em;"><caption class="infobox-title">Precious</caption><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/110px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg" decoding="async" width="110" height="132" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/165px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg/220px-Cornflower_blue_Yogo_sapphire.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1490" data-file-height="1792"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Precious#Marcocapelle" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious">Seven years!</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902070500-Precious_anniversary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902070500-Precious_anniversary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902070500-Precious_anniversary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edlers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edlers-20240903013700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edlers-20240903013700"></span>Edlers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edlers-20240903013700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Edlers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"></span>I was going to create a category Edlers in the Holy Roman Empire (I really think in is the right preposition here) but it seems like there is such a push to preserve Austria/German distinction pre-1805 that it will take a CfD to create such a category. There are 5 of the 15 Edlers of Germany who are pre-1805, and at least a few of the 86 Edlers of Austria who fall in that time period. I have no idea why the Austria category is so much bigger. I am not sure Austria is the right term since the title was abolished with the fall of Austria-Hungary, but I am not sure an Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary split makes sense.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700-Edlers"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> to me this looks like a case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OCAWARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OCAWARD">WP:OCAWARD</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240903050500-Johnpacklambert-20240903013700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"></span>So you think all edler categories should be deleted. This may be true. I do not have a good grasp one way or the other on the system of titles in the Holy Roman Empire and its successor states.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903050900-Marcocapelle-20240903050500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States" data-mw-thread-id="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"></span>17th-century mayors of places in the United States<span data-mw-comment-end="h-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States-20240903150400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: 17th-century mayors of places in the United States"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"></span>I do not think we should have this category. There was no United States until at least 1776, well into the 18th-century. I think the 17th-century Pennsylvania mayors category should be upmerged instead to Mayors in the Thirteen Colonies. I also wish I have named that category Mayors of places in the Thirteen Colonies, to match the sibblings we do have.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903150400-17th-century_mayors_of_places_in_the_United_States"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies" data-mw-thread-id="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"></span>16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies-20240903234300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: 16th-century people of the Thirteen Colonies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"></span>I think it would be better to use from and to rename the parent to People from the Thirteen Colonies as well. We have been trending to use of instead of from. At one point we remained all the categories of people from the specific Colonies to People from colonial New York, People from colonial Pennsylvania, etc. So it would seem logical to use the from form in the parent as well. The occuapat8onal categories, Surveyors from the Thirteen Colonies, Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies, Printers from the Thirteen Colonies, Artists from the Thirteen Colonies all pretty much use from (except Kayors in the Thirteen Colonies, which should be renamed to Mayors of places in the Thirteen Colonies, and that using in instrument of from is our standard proceedure).<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240903234300-16th-century_people_of_the_Thirteen_Colonies"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Islam_and_slavery" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"></span>Category:Islam and slavery<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Islam_and_slavery-20240906162400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Category:Islam and slavery"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle.</dd> <dd>I was a little suprised to see a request for speedy deletion/renaming for Category:Islam and slavery. This should perhaps not be a speedy-issue, since this category is a sub-category of a main category that must correspond to its eqvivalent sub categories.</dd> <dd>You can not erase the "Category:Islam and slavery" without erazing the eqvivalent: "Category:Christianity and slavery" and "Category:Judaism and slavery". Wikipedia must be consistent: erase all of these categories, or none of them.</dd> <dd>These categories are useful for articles about the religion's rules and attituedes toward the institution of slavery. For example, the article <a href="/wiki/Concubinage_in_Islam" class="mw-redirect" title="Concubinage in Islam">Concubinage in Islam</a> is suitable to have in the category "Category:Islam and slavery".</dd> <dd>I do not object creating a sub categories such as for example "Category:History of slavery in the Muslim world", but the "Category:Islam and slavery" have a separate purpose. You can create "Category:History of slavery in the Muslim world" without deleting or renaming "Category:Islam and slavery".</dd> <dd>In short: If you erase "Category:Islam and slavery" and "Category:Islam and slavery" and "Category:Judaism and slavery" as well. They all have - or should have - the same use. I am not sure if I write this on the correct page, so please excuse me if I do not, but I thought I should point out an observation. My very best greetings--<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aciram" title="User talk:Aciram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aciram-20240906162400-Category:Islam_and_slavery"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a>:</span> feel free to leave an "oppose" at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFDS">WP:CFDS</a>. I'd like to stress though that the nomination does not concern any kind of erasure. Renaming does not impact the existence or the content of the category. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240906163900-Aciram-20240906162400"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"></span>I am a little uncertain exactly where to post my comment. I can add - since you also did - that a renaming would in a sense be an "erasure" since a new name would have a new meaning and would not longer correspond to its sister-categories.--<a href="/wiki/User:Aciram" title="User:Aciram">Aciram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aciram" title="User talk:Aciram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aciram-20240906164400-Aciram-20240906162400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Colonial_Americans" data-mw-thread-id="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"></span>Colonial Americans<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Colonial_Americans-20240907121200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Colonial Americans"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"></span>I think we should either rename the 17th-century categories to 17th-century people from the Thirteen Colonies. True there are not 13 colonies until 1732, but in our article we have accepted the term to refer to the grneral region for all its history. On further thought I think 16th-century American is so anachronistic we should scap all such categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121200-Colonial_Americans"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Greek_Muses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"></span>Greek Muses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greek_Muses-20240907121700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Greek Muses"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"></span>The argument that this is not ambiguous because the other category would be Greek muses should not be considered worthwhile. Any category disambiguation that relies on people correctly noticing which category has an upper case letter and which has a lower cases letter is not disambiguating enough.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907121700-Greek_Muses"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drawing_artists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"></span>Drawing artists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drawing_artists-20240907125600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Drawing artists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"></span>The Drawing artists should not be merged to daughtsmen. That term is A-ambiguous, B-toiblesome because it ends in -men and c. Introduces an Emglish variation issue that could be solved by using a different term. If you look up the article <a href="/wiki/Draughtsman" class="mw-disambig" title="Draughtsman">Draughtsman</a> you will find there are 6 different occupations that are covered there. The current draughtsman tree is at least to some extent merging the Drawing artist and the drafter terms and has some people who are both. That is only the first problem. The second is that the term ends in -men. We generally avoid using a term that ends in that way. In fact this may be the only Category where a term ends in -men and is not actually gender specific. Fisherman are called fishers, businessmen, which at one point was so unmbiquitous is businesspeople unless we have specific men, policemen, firemen, postman and so on we avoid using. The best term is actually drawers. The problem is that is the same word used for A-parts of a dresser, cabinet or desk, b-an item of clothing and c-people who take water out of a well. So even Drawers (people) would be potentially ambiguous. The best we could do is drawers (artists) which might be better than the current name. C. Even if we ignore that draughtsman is both ambiguous and potentially excluding some of the content, we have the issue that in the US and some other places that use English the preferred spelling is draftsman. Lastly having looked at the sources "draughtsman" or "draftsman" is also not always how these people are described. Many reliable sources just say the person was an artist and mention that thry had notable drawings without ever trying to use a word to say what they were doing. Either "drawing artist" or "Drawers (artists)" is about the best we can do. Either will be far clearer and less ambiguous than the target.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240907125600-Drawing_artists"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_on_Numberblocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"></span>Request on Numberblocks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_on_Numberblocks-20240908063800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Request on Numberblocks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"></span>Please add Category:British English-language television shows to <a href="/wiki/Numberblocks" title="Numberblocks">this article</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.123.229.72" title="Special:Contributions/86.123.229.72">86.123.229.72</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.123.229.72" title="User talk:86.123.229.72">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.123.229.72-20240908063800-Request_on_Numberblocks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="West_Asia_v._Middle_East" data-mw-thread-id="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"></span>West Asia v. Middle East<span data-mw-comment-end="h-West_Asia_v._Middle_East-20240908184200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: West Asia v. Middle East"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East"></span>We as Wikipedia editors should follow accepted procedures. West Asia is clearly less Euro-centric. There is also the issue that "Near East" at one time was the far more common term, At one point the Middle East more often referred to South Asia and maybe Iran. The last think we want is a category by categiry defintion. If we are going to have East Asia, West Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, etc categories we need to define them. The definition has to be uniform to topic, but not to time. So we could define Central Asia as those areas in Asia east of the limit of Chinese control. Thus at certain times Uigurstan was in central Asia, but today it is in East Asia. We do not want to define these terms differentl for different subjects though. Georgraohy of West Asia, Cities of West Asia, etc. Should cover the same area however we define it.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240908184200-West_Asia_v._Middle_East"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow-20240910111900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow-20240910111900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz (page does not exist)">Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow-20240910111900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz (page does not exist)">Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories">category redirect</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_topics_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories">featured topics category</a>, under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories for discussion</a>, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horowitz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Television shows written by Anthony Horowitz (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit"><span style="color:#000000">✗</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Explicit" title="User talk:Explicit"><span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Explicit-20240910111900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Television_shows_written_by_Anthony_Horow"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AA_Baseball_CFD" data-mw-thread-id="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"></span>AA Baseball CFD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AA_Baseball_CFD-20240911160500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: AA Baseball CFD"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD"></span>Hey Marco. I just wanted to ask for some advice on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_10#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240910213500-Category:American_Association_Triple_Crown_winners" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 10">this Cfd</a>. Its a simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARROWCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARROWCAT">WP:NARROWCAT</a> about a 19th-century baseball league with only two articles. Now I do have a plan for it AFTER it is merged per nom so those articles aren't erased from the MLB cats. But its after. </p><p>I'm also following the usual pattern as set in baseball categories and previous discussions in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Baseball" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Baseball">WP:Baseball</a> (and even pointed out as much -- its a bit complicated, history wise so I won't get into it). However, the creator of the article is not assuming good faith and is being rathr vicious and derailing the Cfd by going on rants and painting my intentions in a bad light. Keep in mind, this is a simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NARROWCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NARROWCAT">WP:NARROWCAT</a> merge. They are straight up demanding I withdraw the nomination. </p><p>Can you help out? It will be much appreciated. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Omnis_Scientia" title="User:Omnis Scientia">Omnis Scientia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Omnis_Scientia" title="User talk:Omnis Scientia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omnis_Scientia-20240911160500-AA_Baseball_CFD"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20240912164700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20240912164700"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists (page does not exist)">Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists</a> has been nominated for merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20240912164700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists has been nominated for merging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists (page does not exist)">Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists</a> has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_12#Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 12">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Grnrchst" title="User:Grnrchst">Grnrchst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grnrchst" title="User talk:Grnrchst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grnrchst-20240912164700-Category:Spanish_anarcho-syndicalists_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"></span>Categorization by historical subdivisions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions-20240912181400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Categorization by historical subdivisions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span>Looking at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kybartai&diff=1245300263&oldid=1240509741">your another decat</a> it came to my mind that some of the places do belong to these due to their <i>strong nin-accidental assaciations</i>, namely capitals of their subdivisions. For example, for <a href="/wiki/Category:Suwa%C5%82ki_Governorate" title="Category:Suwałki Governorate">category:Suwałki Governorate</a> it is reasonable to contain <a href="/wiki/Suwa%C5%82ki" title="Suwałki">Suwałki</a> as its sapital, as well as Augustów, Kalvarija, etc., for being <a href="/wiki/Suwa%C5%82ki_Governorate" title="Suwałki Governorate">capitals of its counties</a>. What do you think? --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240912181400-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a>:</span> having been the capital of a past administrative division is not a defining characteristic of a current city. We do not even have categories for capitals of current administrative divisions. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240912202000-Altenmann-20240912181400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"></span>Please join in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:CAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:CAT">WT:CAT</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Marcocapelle-20240912202000"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span>Sorry for bugging you again: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rim%C5%A1%C4%97&diff=1246045346&oldid=1207397899">you removed one item</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Novoalexandrovsky_Uyezd" title="Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd">Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd</a>, but there are three dozen more in it. Why you left them there? --<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altenmann" title="User talk:Altenmann">>talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Altenmann-20240916170800-Categorization_by_historical_subdivisions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Altenmann" title="User:Altenmann">Altenmann</a>:</span> that is very simple, I was taking <a href="/wiki/Category:Wilno_Voivodeship_(1926%E2%80%931939)" title="Category:Wilno Voivodeship (1926–1939)">Category:Wilno Voivodeship (1926–1939)</a> as the starting point rather than <a href="/wiki/Category:Novoalexandrovsky_Uyezd" title="Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd">Category:Novoalexandrovsky Uyezd</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240916172300-Altenmann-20240916170800"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Writers_about_the_Holocaust" data-mw-thread-id="h-Writers_about_the_Holocaust-20240914123500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Writers_about_the_Holocaust-20240914123500"></span>Writers about the Holocaust<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Writers_about_the_Holocaust-20240914123500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Writers about the Holocaust"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust"></span>It now looks like we have 11 in the parent category and 18 in the American one. I do not think we should ever have only 1 nationality sub-cat. I really see no reason to divide a 29 article catrgory by nationality. This takes ideas of Ametican exceptionalism to an unjustified extreme.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914123500-Writers_about_the_Holocaust"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hong_Kong_women_rappers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"></span>Hong Kong women rappers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hong_Kong_women_rappers-20240914124100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Hong Kong women rappers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"></span>Mizz Eva is in category "living people". So either she did not in fact die before Hong Kong became part of China or the article is very flawed.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100-Hong_Kong_women_rappers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"></span>The article says she was born in 1981, so only about 15 when British rule ended, and that she released her first work in 2004. The only listed albums are from the 2010s.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20240914124300-Johnpacklambert-20240914124100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:TripleS_(group)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"><span id="Category:TripleS_.28group.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"></span>Category:TripleS (group)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:TripleS_(group)-20240919093400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Category:TripleS (group)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"></span>You said I could put it up for Speedy, is there a way to withdraw it? What speedy criteria do I need to list it under? <a href="/wiki/User:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User:Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond"><i>Btspurplegalaxy</i></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User talk:Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:blue">💬</b></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Btspurplegalaxy" title="Special:Contributions/Btspurplegalaxy"><b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400-Category:TripleS_(group)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Btspurplegalaxy" title="User:Btspurplegalaxy">Btspurplegalaxy</a>:</span> you just need to mention that you are withdrawing it. Speedy criterion is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240919111100-Btspurplegalaxy-20240919093400"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain-20240921064400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain-20240921064400"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Medieval history of Bahrain (page does not exist)">Category:Medieval history of Bahrain</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain-20240921064400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Medieval history of Bahrain"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Medieval history of Bahrain (page does not exist)">Category:Medieval history of Bahrain</a> indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a <a href="/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_categories" title="Category:Disambiguation categories">disambiguation category</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_soft_redirected_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories">category redirect</a>, a <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_featured_topics_categories" title="Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories">featured topics category</a>, under discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">Categories for discussion</a>, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Medieval history of Bahrain (page does not exist)">visiting the page</a> and removing the speedy deletion tag. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240921064400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:Medieval_history_of_Bahrain"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse." data-mw-thread-id="h-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag-20240927123700"><span id="I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories.2C_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pages_to_diffuse."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag-20240927123700"></span>I currently am diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag-20240927123700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: I currently am diffusing multiple categories, some of which have hundreds of pages to diffuse."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"></span>I just would like to know if there's a way to automate this instead of doing it by hand. <a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YourAverageWeeb" title="User talk:YourAverageWeeb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700-I_currently_am_diffusing_multiple_categories,_some_of_which_have_hundreds_of_pag"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOTCAT">WP:HOTCAT</a> makes it a lot easier. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240927124100-YourAverageWeeb-20240927123700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"></span>thanks <a href="/wiki/User:YourAverageWeeb" title="User:YourAverageWeeb">YourAverageWeeb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YourAverageWeeb" title="User talk:YourAverageWeeb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-YourAverageWeeb-20240927124100-Marcocapelle-20240927124100"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lego_Dimensions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"></span><a href="/wiki/Lego_Dimensions" title="Lego Dimensions">Lego Dimensions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lego_Dimensions-20240930022400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Lego Dimensions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle, </p><p>Have you ever seen a worse example of overcategorization? I don't even know where to start removing categories. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240930022400-Lego_Dimensions"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>:</span> it probably is a record! I have removed settings by time and place. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20240930054200-Liz-20240930022400"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_procedure" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"></span>New procedure<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_procedure-20241002205800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: New procedure"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure"></span>Oo look, there is a new process of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_elections" title="Wikipedia:Administrator elections">WP:Administrator elections</a> as an alternative to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA">WP:RFA</a>. I would be very happy if you would help to test the process by putting yourself forward as a candidate. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london"><b><span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span></b>ondon</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fayenatic_london-20241002205800-New_procedure"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers">Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers</a> has been nominated for merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging-20241005181300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers has been nominated for merging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers">Category:13th-century Indian Jain writers</a> has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_5#Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 5">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241005181300-Category:13th-century_Indian_Jain_writers_has_been_nominated_for_merging"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"><span id="Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"></span>Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?-20241008133200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Why did you remove the Abbots by nationality and century category header?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"></span>Please don't remove categories headers because you want to make a category more specific. You're welcome to nominate the category for renaming, and I'd support such moves, but removing the template is counter productive. I think that you're conflating nationality and religion when you move a nationality category into a specific religion. I've reverted your changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008133200-Why_did_you_remove_the_Abbots_by_nationality_and_century_category_header?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"></span>I don't understand why instead of discussing the difference, here, you're nominating the tree for deletion,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_8#Early_abbots_by_century" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 8">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 8#Early abbots by century</a>. That just doesn't seem like a constructive path forward. What gives? <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241008221600-Smasongarrison-20241008133200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"></span>I've been trying to find common ground here, but you're making that difficult by not engaging with me at all. Like, I can't alter the template if you're unwilling to discuss the nuances of the issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20241009223900-Smasongarrison-20241008221600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mexican_California" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"></span>Mexican California<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mexican_California-20241010133500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Mexican California"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"></span>This category is meant to seperare Mexican California from earlier Spanish Cifornia and later American California. Merging it to Alta California merges the Spanish and Mexican periods and removes it from the Mexican parents where it belongs.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500-Mexican_California"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> according to article <a href="/wiki/Alta_California" title="Alta California">Alta California</a> it was not called Alta California under Spanish rule. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241010165100-Johnpacklambert-20241010133500"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"></span>The article says it was established in 1804. Spanish rule lasted until 1821.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000-Marcocapelle-20241010165100"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> it was called Nueva California under Spanish rule. We miss a category for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241011024600-Johnpacklambert-20241010213000"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241011123300-Marcocapelle-20241011024600"></span>If that is the case, than we probably should rename all the In Alta California cats for 1820 and earlier to Nueva California. I have to admit I am not sure that level of division of the in New Spain category is justified for all those years though. Although if we translate Nueva Espana to New Spain, why not translate Nueva California to New California? 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Currently we have this category tree of 34 categories, mostly consisting of a single redirect to the same article: <a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_Senate_elections" title="2028 United States Senate elections">2028 United States Senate elections</a>. Is there any way to easily tag them all for deletion/merging? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:AusLondonder" title="User:AusLondonder">AusLondonder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AusLondonder" title="User talk:AusLondonder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AusLondonder-20241026082400-Category:2028_elections_in_the_United_States_by_state"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241026083000-AusLondonder-20241026082400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AusLondonder" title="User:AusLondonder">AusLondonder</a>:</span> sure, if you list them on CfD, I can tag the pages with AWB. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241026083000-AusLondonder-20241026082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241026083000-AusLondonder-20241026082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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I noticed you were the creator of the category Children of general secretaries of communist parties and otherwise involved with similar categories. I've categorized many children of monarchs, presidents and prime ministers to make them more complete, even created some subcategories. The first category mentioned here stands out and I've an idea for a new one. I was thinking of categorizing children of US senators and governors. I've great interest in genealogies of powerful people, especially when their relatives are famous enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. However, I'm worried that genealogy and association stuff on Wikipedia has a bad reputation and will likely be contested. I'd like to hear your thoughts before even attempting to make a category. <a href="/wiki/User:Killuminator" title="User:Killuminator">Killuminator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Killuminator" title="User talk:Killuminator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Killuminator-20241108122400-Category_idea"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241108122900-Killuminator-20241108122400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Killuminator" title="User:Killuminator">Killuminator</a>:</span> this is probably not a good idea, as I don't think that being a child of a senator or governor is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEFINING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEFINING">defining characteristic</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241108122900-Killuminator-20241108122400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241108122900-Killuminator-20241108122400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241108122900-Killuminator-20241108122400"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113003900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113003900"></span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113003900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113003900-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>I recently invited you to take a survey about administration on Wikipedia. If you haven’t yet had a chance, there is still time to participate– we’d truly appreciate your feedback. The survey is anonymous and should take about 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/962595?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User:BGerdemann (WMF)">BGerdemann (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113003900-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a> </bdi><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113003900-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113003900-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Habib_Bourguiba" data-mw-thread-id="h-Habib_Bourguiba-20241118203100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Habib_Bourguiba-20241118203100"></span><a href="/wiki/Habib_Bourguiba" title="Habib Bourguiba">Habib Bourguiba</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Habib_Bourguiba-20241118203100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Habib Bourguiba"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"></span>Hello, Marcocapelle, </p><p>I think we have an instance of overcategorization here but you have more experience than I do at pruning away inappropriate categories than I do. Can you spare a minute to review this article? Thank you, in advance. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241118203100-Habib_Bourguiba"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241118203800-Liz-20241118203100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>:</span> I am afraid I can't help in this case. 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119002700-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119002700-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119002700-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chronology_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chronology_cleanup-20241127153600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chronology_cleanup-20241127153600"></span>Chronology cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chronology_cleanup-20241127153600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Chronology cleanup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600-Chronology_cleanup"></span>Hi again. Housekeeping after chronology changes still takes longer than I expect! <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Fayenatic_london&target=Fayenatic+london&dir=prev&offset=20241127124406&limit=75">[1]</a> </p><p>I've left <a href="/wiki/Category:1810s_in_Germany" title="Category:1810s in Germany">Category:1810s in Germany</a> and its (dis)establishment subcats holding years within that decade for both the Confederation of the Rhine and the German Confederation. More commonly we name the decade category according to the name of the territory at the end of the decade, but in this case I think I found the estab cats using the generic name and went along with that. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london"><b><span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span></b>ondon</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600-Chronology_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600-Chronology_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600-Chronology_cleanup"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241129114300-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600"></span>After that there was still more to clean up… I got bored of creating redirects for years, but you're welcome to do so for the middle of <a href="/wiki/Category:19th-century_establishments_in_Germany" title="Category:19th-century establishments in Germany">Category:19th-century establishments in Germany</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london"><b><span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span></b>ondon</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Fayenatic_london-20241129114300-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fayenatic_london-20241129114300-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fayenatic_london-20241129114300-Fayenatic_london-20241127153600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_penny_for_your_thoughts" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_penny_for_your_thoughts-20241201114400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_penny_for_your_thoughts-20241201114400"></span>A penny for your thoughts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_penny_for_your_thoughts-20241201114400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: A penny for your thoughts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241201114400-A_penny_for_your_thoughts"></span>I just noticed a clash with 'country' and 'nationality' in some literary categories that I traced to those parent categories: <a href="/wiki/Category:Fiction_by_nationality" title="Category:Fiction by nationality">Category:Fiction by nationality</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Novels_by_genre_and_country" title="Category:Novels by genre and country">Category:Novels by genre and country</a>. Down the line in results in inconsistency like <a href="/wiki/Category:Spy_novels_by_country" title="Category:Spy novels by country">Category:Spy novels by country</a> vs <a href="/wiki/Category:Speculative_fiction_works_by_nationality" title="Category:Speculative fiction works by nationality">Category:Speculative fiction works by nationality</a>, where obviously we are talking about the same concept (country seems to be correct, rather than nationality - consider <a href="/wiki/Category:Polish_spy_novels" title="Category:Polish spy novels">Category:Polish spy novels</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Polish_speculative_fiction_novels" title="Category:Polish speculative fiction novels">Category:Polish speculative fiction novels</a>). I am a bit too tired to figure out how to fix this mess, but you I hope you'd have more experience and ideas how to tackle this? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Piotrus-20241201114400-A_penny_for_your_thoughts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241201114400-A_penny_for_your_thoughts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241201114400-A_penny_for_your_thoughts"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241201115500-Piotrus-20241201114400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotrus</a>:</span> country and nationality are at odds with each other when a writer migrates to a different country and write their books there. You can argue both ways, but I would say that in such a case the country of production and publication of the work is more relevant than the author's original nationality. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241201115500-Piotrus-20241201114400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241201115500-Piotrus-20241201114400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241201115500-Piotrus-20241201114400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241202021700-Marcocapelle-20241201115500"></span>I agree. How do we fix it? Note that if we currently navigate upwards from Polish spy novels and Polish speculative fiction, we end up at two different parent categories (one for nationality and one for country). This is not good. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Piotrus-20241202021700-Marcocapelle-20241201115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241202021700-Marcocapelle-20241201115500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241202021700-Marcocapelle-20241201115500"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241202061900-Piotrus-20241202021700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotrus</a>:</span> they can simply be listed at CFD or even CFDS, right? <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241202061900-Piotrus-20241202021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241202061900-Piotrus-20241202021700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241202061900-Piotrus-20241202021700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241202081400-Marcocapelle-20241202061900"></span>Right, but I am not sure how to list them properly - what do we need to rename? Fiction by nationality into Fiction by country? And how to list all affected subcategories in need of renaming? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Piotrus-20241202081400-Marcocapelle-20241202061900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241202081400-Marcocapelle-20241202061900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241202081400-Marcocapelle-20241202061900"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241202150600-Piotrus-20241202081400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotrus</a>:</span> I misunderstood the situation, thought that it was randomly sometimes by nationality, sometimes by country. In fact the whole tree has been set up consistently as by nationality (with apparently occasional exceptions): <a href="/wiki/Category:Works_by_nationality" title="Category:Works by nationality">Category:Works by nationality</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Works_by_Polish_people" title="Category:Works by Polish people">Category:Works by Polish people</a> etc. While I do not really agree with it, I also think this is too big to fix. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241202150600-Piotrus-20241202081400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241202150600-Piotrus-20241202081400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241202150600-Piotrus-20241202081400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241203043000-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"></span>The problem is that this becomes a mess at the bottom - how come "Polish spy novels" is about nationality and "Polish speculative fiction novels" about the country? This does not seem correct. Those category trees seem to be mostly redundant and overlapping significantly. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Piotrus-20241203043000-Marcocapelle-20241202150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241203043000-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241203043000-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241203043100-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"></span>We could rename everything in the country tree to be 'from Foo country', although for many countries this will be pretty pointless and just doubling the number of identical categories... <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Piotrus-20241203043100-Marcocapelle-20241202150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241203043100-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241203043100-Marcocapelle-20241202150600"></span></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Su_Weidao" data-mw-thread-id="h-Su_Weidao-20241204023100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Su_Weidao-20241204023100"></span>Su Weidao<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Su_Weidao-20241204023100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Su Weidao"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Su_Weidao" title="Su Weidao"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100-Su_Weidao"></span>Su Weidao</a> is the only article in the 648 births category. The article makes it clear his birth in that specific year is uncertain. I would move him out of that category, because we are clearly being more precise than we can be accurate with a category, but I get attacked fir removing even clearly wrongly placed articles from categories when the article is the last one in the category. So I do not know what yo do. Clearly this article should at least be moved to the 640s birth category where we do not imply so much certainty.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100-Su_Weidao" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100-Su_Weidao"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100-Su_Weidao"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241204041000-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> based on footnote 1 in the article it is quite likely that birth and death year are 648 and 705 respectively. There is a small chance that birth happened in 647 or 649, but I don't find that enough reason to move the article to the decade category. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241204041000-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241204041000-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241204041000-Johnpacklambert-20241204023100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114400-Marcocapelle-20241204041000"></span>I think if there is a chance the subject was born in 647 or 649 we should placd the aubject in the decade birth category. Otherwise we are veing more precise than we are accurate. Especially since it does not help navigation to have 1 article categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114400-Marcocapelle-20241204041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114400-Marcocapelle-20241204041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114400-Marcocapelle-20241204041000"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_check_my_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_check_my_talk_page-20241204114600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_check_my_talk_page-20241204114600"></span>Please check my talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_check_my_talk_page-20241204114600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Please check my talk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114600-Please_check_my_talk_page"></span>I created a note on my talk page you may want to check.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114600-Please_check_my_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114600-Please_check_my_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241204114600-Please_check_my_talk_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Overcategorization?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Overcategorization?-20241205004700"><span id="Overcategorization.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Overcategorization?-20241205004700"></span>Overcategorization?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Overcategorization?-20241205004700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Overcategorization?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700-Overcategorization?"></span>You mentioned that Winiie the Pooh and the Blustery Day is in 27 categories. The last I checked Winston Churchhill was in over 100 categories. At one point we had articles to list the awards given to certain monarchs, and some of those articles were in over 50 categories. 27 is nothing. I get the point, bit it is so much worse in some cases.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700-Overcategorization?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700-Overcategorization?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700-Overcategorization?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241205070100-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700"></span>Agree, modern biographies in general have become a disaster with respect to categorization. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241205070100-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241205070100-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241205070100-Johnpacklambert-20241205004700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile" data-mw-thread-id="h-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile-20241214235700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile-20241214235700"></span>Crown of Castile is not the Kingdom of Castile<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile-20241214235700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Crown of Castile is not the Kingdom of Castile"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile"></span>The Castilians Category says it is for people who were from the Kingdom of Castile. This is a different entity than the Crown of Castile. The Later was a union of the Kingdom of Castile and the Kingdom of Leon. Both polities existed an independent places for a time before they were merged.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 14 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700-Crown_of_Castile_is_not_the_Kingdom_of_Castile"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000100-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"></span>So the Castilians are no more overlapping with People from the Crown of Castile than English people overlap with People from the United Kingdom. All the more so because the map you get shown when you link from Castilians shows Castile as a distinct place from Leon, which means it is not visually in its header invoking the Crown of Castile at all. What we probably should do is rename the post-Croen formation Castilians categories to be x-century people from the Crown of Castile. This name was chosen intentionally because the Crown of Castile was a more expansive realm. Which is also why we have a separate article on it.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000100-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000100-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000100-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001600-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/Castillians" class="mw-redirect" title="Castillians">Castillians</a> defines these as current people living in the Gistoric region of either the Kingdom of Castile or the Colroen of Castile, and then proceeds to talk about disputed usage of the term. It seems odd for us to use a term in a Category name to mean something different than what our article defines it as. We have articles on both the Kingom of Castile and the Crown of Castile. The Later was formed by the permanent union of Leon and Castile in 1230. Although the governments do not fully merge until later. I would argue that to avoid disputes we should use People from the Kingdom of Castile from 1230-1479. We should use People from the Kingdom of Castile and People from the Kingdom of Leon pre-1230.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001600-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001600-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001600-Johnpacklambert-20241214235700"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Crown_of_Aragon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Crown_of_Aragon-20241215000600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Crown_of_Aragon-20241215000600"></span>Crown of Aragon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Crown_of_Aragon-20241215000600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Crown of Aragon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600-Crown_of_Aragon"></span>The de facto capital of the Crown of Aragon was in Barcelona, which was not even in the Kingdom of Aragon. It was in the County of Barcelona, which seems to have been technically a different place. Several of the people in the People from the Crown of Aragon Category were moved from not the Kingom of Aragon Category but from the Crown of Aragon Category itself. This indicates to me that at least some editors have bern intepreting the People from the Kingdom of Aragon to refer to people from that kingdom based on what the article on Kingdom of Aragon actually says. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600-Crown_of_Aragon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600-Crown_of_Aragon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600-Crown_of_Aragon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001900-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span>The Crown of Aragon is formed in 1164 when the County of Barcelona and the Kingdom of Aragon are unified. It is telling we have Category:People from the County of Barcelona with sub-categories by century to the 12th. After the 12th-century we do not have categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001900-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001900-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215001900-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span>The Kingdom of Aragon was formed in 1034. I would argue we should limit People from the Kingdom of Aragon to those who are categorically badmsed on pre-1164 dates. We should then use People from the Crown of Aragon for the post-1164 dates. The only people we should have in both categories would be People who are significant enough both before and after 1164 to categorize. While the Crown of Aragon was not a fully unified polity, the amount prleople interact across the Barcelona/Aragon line is so high it does not seem worth having 2 categories. How to treat people from the other polities (Kingdom of the Baleric Island, Kingdom of Valencia, Kingdom of Sicily, and the polities in modern Greece) that are added over time is trickier. I think for Kingdom of Sicily we should try to unify one category for everyone from there down through its end in 1816. As a geographically separated polity that does not get merged into Spain I think that makes sense. The polities in modern Greece I think need separate treatment even more.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215003900-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700"></span>Looking into this more, it seems the Kingdom of Valencia comes about as Aragon conquers territory from various polities of Al-Andalus. It seems to always exist as a component part of the Crown of Aragon. What I am not sure of is does ot make sense how we have Writers from the Community if Valencia including 16th-century writers. It looks to me like the Community of Vslrncia may be technically created in 1982. However the article trues to argue it in some sense dates back to the laws of Calencia in 1238. It appears to me there is some sense that at least after 1238 there was a distinct polity of Valencia, but it always had the same ruler as the rest of the Crown of Aragon. I think this is a sign that Soain uses terms that are not common elsewhere, but to adequately categorize people we need to use the right term. So I think from 1238 on (or whenever that part of the Kindom of Valencia was conquered by the Crown of Valencia) we should place people from the Kingdom of Valencia in the People from the Crown of Valencia.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215003900-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215003900-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215003900-Johnpacklambert-20241215002700"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span>After having read up on the <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Majorca" title="Kingdom of Majorca">Kingdom of Majorca</a> which was R he Balletic Islands, plus some territories on the mainland, including some that is now in France (and way off in France, not on the Spanish border), I think we should treat those from that polity from 1276 until 1344 as a distict group, but it looks like people from there pre-1276 (from the islands co quest in I think 1219) and people post-1344 would functionally belong just in People from the Crown of Aragon.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013100-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600"></span>I have started <a href="/wiki/Category:People_from_the_Kingdom_of_Majorca" title="Category:People from the Kingdom of Majorca">Category:People from the Kingdom of Majorca</a> it has several in the Majorcan monarchs category, and 4 articles. I think I found at least 2 maybe 3 other articles that could have been added, but because of an editing restriction I have I did not add them..I did not exhaust my search through the People from the Balleric Islands. I have doubts that a Category like Majorcan writers as we have it makes sense. I am thinking it should bd renamed Writers from Majorca, since in the main it is people from the island. We normally only use fooian Category gorm for people from recognized independent countries or for recognized ethnicic groups. The fact that Majorcan monarchs refers to rules of the Kingom of Majorca (including the queens consort subcat) while Majorcan writers refers to writers "from" the island shows we are using Majorcan for 2 covers different purposes. It is not clear with some other Majorcan categories is thry refer to people from the Island, people from the Kingdom of Majorca, people from the Kingdom of Majorca when it was a constituent part of the Crown of Aragon, people from the Muslim polity based on Majorca prior to James I's conquest, or anyone who has been called Majorcan whatever exactly was meant by this term. The most active institution in ghe Kingdom of Majorca, the main source of writings in favor of the cause of the king during the period 1276 to 1344 when it was seeking to create a fully unique identity, was what seems to have been its only University, the University of Montpelier. That was in a place that is today deep in France and at the time was non-contiguous with the other parts of the realm. I have also not done an exhaustive study of people from Montpelier or the university. Some of them maybe should be placed in People from the Kingdom of Majorca as well.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013100-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013100-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013100-Johnpacklambert-20241215004600"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013500-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span>Some of the people in People from Majorca, or it's sub-cats are also in 15th-century people from the Kingdom of Aragon or maybe even 14th-century People from the Kingdom of Aragon. At least a few of these people seem to have primarily or exclusively lived on the island, and so technically in the Kingdom of Majorca in the Crown if Aragon, not it the Kingdom if Aragon. It appears as applied from the 12th-century on the by century sub-cats of People from the Kingdom of Aragon are really being used as People from the Crown of Aragon. It seems we should rename these to reflect correctly that thry cover People from the Crown of Aragon.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013500-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013500-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215013500-Johnpacklambert-20241215000600"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked" data-mw-thread-id="h-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked-20241215020800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked-20241215020800"></span>Small cat is deprecated but still invoked<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked-20241215020800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Small cat is deprecated but still invoked"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215020800-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked"></span>Despite the fact Smallcat was deprecated as a guideline about a year ago people still regularly invoke it in AfD discussions. It would be nice if people would regularly respond by saying small cat no longer applies. Especially when people invoke it to keep micro categories as part of an alleged overall scheme, which is the very misuse that caused it to end. The use of it where narrow cat is what should be invoked is not as unacceptable, but people really should be citing current guidelines.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241215020800-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215020800-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241215020800-Small_cat_is_deprecated_but_still_invoked"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Season's_Greetings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Season's_Greetings-20241217173600"><span id="Season.27s_Greetings"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Season's_Greetings-20241217173600"></span>Season's Greetings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Season's_Greetings-20241217173600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Season's Greetings"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border:2px ; background-color: #FFF7E6;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" valign="right"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg/250px-Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg" decoding="async" width="250" height="157" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg/375px-Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg/500px-Winterthur_The_Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow_027_4f_ZS_Breugel_EKP_crop.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2407" data-file-height="1515"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 2; vertical-align: left; height: 1.1em;"><b>Season's Greetings</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The <i><a href="/wiki/Adoration_of_the_Magi_in_the_Snow" title="Adoration of the Magi in the Snow">Adoration of the Magi in the Snow</a></i> (1563) by <a href="/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder" title="Pieter Bruegel the Elder">Pieter Bruegel the Elder</a> is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241218152700"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241218152700"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241218152700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bunnypranav-20241218152700-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/100px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/150px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif/200px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar_Hires.gif 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Tireless Contributor Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For your contributions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CfD">WP:CfD</a>. If there is something at CfD, you have nominated or voted in it. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:Bunnypranav" title="User:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span></a>:<<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bunnypranav" title="User talk:Bunnypranav"><span style="color:#2c5282">ping</span></a>></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Bunnypranav-20241218152700-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bunnypranav-20241218152700-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bunnypranav-20241218152700-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Legendary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Legendary-20241219191700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Legendary-20241219191700"></span>Legendary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Legendary-20241219191700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Legendary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700-Legendary"></span>I have run across lots of people who are called "legendary" in the article, but then placed in categories for fully real people like death year categories. This seems to be a confusion of fact with fiction that we should avoid. Either that or it is a use of "legendary" for something other than meaning "a person from a legend". Some of the articles seem to relate to 6th-century Ireland. Although the problem seems to plague articles from all across Europe, at most points prior to 1000.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700-Legendary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700-Legendary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700-Legendary"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195900-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700"></span>For example <a href="/wiki/Aud_Haakonsdottir_of_Lade" title="Aud Haakonsdottir of Lade">Aud Haakonsdottir of Lade</a> is stated to be legendary, yet she is placed in many categories that are meant to be used for real people.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195900-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195900-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195900-Johnpacklambert-20241219191700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Charlotte_de_Berr" data-mw-thread-id="h-Charlotte_de_Berr-20241221195400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Charlotte_de_Berr-20241221195400"></span>Charlotte de Berr<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Charlotte_de_Berr-20241221195400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Charlotte de Berr"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195400-Charlotte_de_Berr"></span>I removed <a href="/wiki/Charlotte_de_Berry" title="Charlotte de Berry">Charlotte de Berry</a> from various categories that assume she was a real person. Based on what the article says she seems to be a fictional person who was made up 100 or so years after her alleged time of life. I do not think we should be cluttering categories for real historical people with fictional people. I think we may have other fictional and legendary pirates who have been plaved incorrectly in categories for real people.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195400-Charlotte_de_Berr" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195400-Charlotte_de_Berr"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221195400-Charlotte_de_Berr"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gila_Giraldo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gila_Giraldo-20241221215100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gila_Giraldo-20241221215100"></span>Gila Giraldo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gila_Giraldo-20241221215100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Gila Giraldo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Gila_Giraldo" title="Gila Giraldo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221215100-Gila_Giraldo"></span>Gila Giraldo</a> is another legendary person who seems yo have been inappropriately placed in categories for real people.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241221215100-Gila_Giraldo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221215100-Gila_Giraldo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221215100-Gila_Giraldo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Conan_Meriadoc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conan_Meriadoc-20241221225100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Conan_Meriadoc-20241221225100"></span>Conan Meriadoc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Conan_Meriadoc-20241221225100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Conan Meriadoc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Conan_Meriadoc" title="Conan Meriadoc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221225100-Conan_Meriadoc"></span>Conan Meriadoc</a> is another legendary person who has been put in categories for real people.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241221225100-Conan_Meriadoc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221225100-Conan_Meriadoc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241221225100-Conan_Meriadoc"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indeg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indeg-20241222002300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indeg-20241222002300"></span>Indeg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indeg-20241222002300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Indeg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222002300-Indeg"></span>Then there is <a href="/wiki/Indeg" title="Indeg">Indeg</a> who is a person from Arthurian legend. She has for inexplicable reasons been placed in categories for real people. I do not think we should be placing people from Arthurian legend in categories for real people. I think that is a very big mistake.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241222002300-Indeg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222002300-Indeg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222002300-Indeg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_holidays!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_holidays!-20241222023500"><span id="Happy_holidays.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_holidays!-20241222023500"></span>Happy holidays!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_holidays!-20241222023500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Happy holidays!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 4px solid #FFD700;" role="presentation"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 2px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HouseBlaster-20241222023500-Happy_holidays!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A golden Wikipedia logo with stars, balloons, and the words "New Year"" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png/211px-Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png" decoding="async" width="211" height="179" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png/317px-Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png/422px-Wikipedia_Happy_New_Year.png 2x" data-file-width="444" data-file-height="376"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 2px 2px 0 2px; height: 1.5em;"><b>Happy holidays and a prosperous 2025!</b> </td> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 2px;"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Marco Polo with a fur cap and red robes, holding a bow and a sword in its sheath." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg/110px-Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg" decoding="async" width="110" height="153" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg/165px-Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg/220px-Marco_Polo_-_costume_tartare.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1095" data-file-height="1528"/></a></span><br/>Your username has always made me think of <a href="/wiki/Marco_Polo" title="Marco Polo">Marco Polo</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px; border-top: 1px solid gray;"> <p>Marcocapelle, I don't know how you have enough time in the day to do all you do at CFD. Your patience and skill at explaining how it works to experienced editors who are new to CFD is commendable, and you can contribute like a subject-matter expert on most historical categories. You also are one of the rare few who consistently implement the various proposals which you make, which is valued and noticed. Happy holidays and all the best to you and yours in 2025 :) <b><a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster"><span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-HouseBlaster-20241222023500-Happy_holidays!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HouseBlaster-20241222023500-Happy_holidays!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HouseBlaster-20241222023500-Happy_holidays!"></span> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Colonel_Plug" data-mw-thread-id="h-Colonel_Plug-20241222041900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Colonel_Plug-20241222041900"></span>Colonel Plug<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Colonel_Plug-20241222041900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Colonel Plug"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Colonel_Plug" title="Colonel Plug"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222041900-Colonel_Plug"></span>Colonel Plug</a> is another person who is said to be legendary who has been placed in a category for real people. This is a major problem with our articles related to pirates. They seem to be treating a lot of unverified information as if it reflected historical reality. Some of this comes from using poorly researched and not reliable sources.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241222041900-Colonel_Plug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222041900-Colonel_Plug"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222041900-Colonel_Plug"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aergol_Lawhir" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aergol_Lawhir-20241222043200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aergol_Lawhir-20241222043200"></span>Aergol Lawhir<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aergol_Lawhir-20241222043200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Aergol Lawhir"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Aergol_Lawhir" title="Aergol Lawhir"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222043200-Aergol_Lawhir"></span>Aergol Lawhir</a> is another legendary person who is in categories for real people. Including specific birth and death year categories which seems very excessive for legendary figures. What next, is domeone going to place King Arthur is birth snd death year categories?<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241222043200-Aergol_Lawhir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222043200-Aergol_Lawhir"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241222043200-Aergol_Lawhir"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yo_Ho_Ho!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yo_Ho_Ho!-20241222074900"><span id="Yo_Ho_Ho.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yo_Ho_Ho!-20241222074900"></span>Yo Ho Ho!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yo_Ho_Ho!-20241222074900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Yo Ho Ho!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarTrekker-20241222074900-Yo_Ho_Ho!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg/66px-WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg" decoding="async" width="66" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg/100px-WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg/133px-WB_148_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2908" data-file-height="4363"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg/100px-Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg/150px-Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg/200px-Prayer_nut_with_flaps_and_crucifixion_scene_01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3046" data-file-height="3047"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) is wishing you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">Seasons Greetings</a>! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's <a href="/wiki/Solstice" title="Solstice">Solstice</a> or <a href="/wiki/Christmas" title="Christmas">Christmas</a>, <a href="/wiki/Diwali" title="Diwali">Diwali</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hogmanay" title="Hogmanay">Hogmanay</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hanukkah" title="Hanukkah">Hanukkah</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lenaia" title="Lenaia">Lenaia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Festivus" title="Festivus">Festivus</a> or even the <a href="/wiki/Saturnalia" title="Saturnalia">Saturnalia</a>, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! <br/> </p><p><small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUBST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUBST">subst</a>:<a href="/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Dec19b" title="User:WereSpielChequers/Dec19b">User:WereSpielChequers/Dec19b</a>}} to your friends' talk pages</small>. </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> </div> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-StarTrekker-20241222074900-Yo_Ho_Ho!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarTrekker-20241222074900-Yo_Ho_Ho!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarTrekker-20241222074900-Yo_Ho_Ho!"></span> </pre> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories-20241223024900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories-20241223024900"></span>Idea about ambassador and diplomat categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories-20241223024900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Idea about ambassador and diplomat categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241223024900-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories"></span>I placed a note about ambassador and diplomat categories on S. Mason Garrison's talk page you might find worth looking at.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241223024900-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241223024900-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241223024900-Idea_about_ambassador_and_diplomat_categories"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ambassadors_of_Prussia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ambassadors_of_Prussia-20241227183100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ambassadors_of_Prussia-20241227183100"></span>Ambassadors of Prussia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ambassadors_of_Prussia-20241227183100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: Ambassadors of Prussia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100-Ambassadors_of_Prussia"></span>I started to make an Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Prussia. However I realized we had this category, so scrapped that. I think we should rename for a few reasons. 1-Prussia means a lot of things. It existed as the Free State of Prussia de jure until 1946. While there were no Ambassadors of Prussia from 1871 on, the current name is imprecise and could be tagged to Ambassadors from Prussia. 2-Prussia existed as a Duchy for a few hundred years before the Kingdom was created. However our lists actually look back to Brandenburg. I think we could either call this Ambassadors of Brandenburg or the Kingdom of Prussia. More likely to work though is to limit this to Ambassadors from 1701 on. Place any pre 1701 people in Diplomats for the Duchy of Prussia or Diolomats for the Electorate of Brandenburg. I think this would make things more clear. Since Prussia is also a province of the Kingdom of Prussia, what "Prussian" means ever is very confusing. I think it means so many different things that we should avoid using it at all.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100-Ambassadors_of_Prussia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100-Ambassadors_of_Prussia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100-Ambassadors_of_Prussia"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20241227190500-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">Johnpacklambert</a>:</span> what was/is wrong with Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Prussia? <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20241227190500-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20241227190500-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20241227190500-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227190800-Marcocapelle-20241227190500"></span>I did not realize there was an Ambassadors of Prussia Category. I decided that creating Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Prussia was basically an out of process rename, since most if not all of what is under Ambassadors of Prussia is Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Prussia. I figured this was a rename that should go through formal AfD channels and not be done by creating new categories.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241227190800-Marcocapelle-20241227190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227190800-Marcocapelle-20241227190500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227190800-Marcocapelle-20241227190500"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227192300-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span>I just went through and checked. Every single person in the category Ambassadors of Prussia and its sub-categories actually fits under Ambassadors of the Kingdom of Prussia. So how to categorize pre-1701 people is a bridge we can cross later. There are 4 Ambassadors of Prussia to X categories that only have 1 article each so upmerging those would probably be helpful.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241227192300-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227192300-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227192300-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227200900-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span>We should also probably rename Ambassadors to Prussia to Ambassadors to the Kingdom of Prussia. Ambassadors of the Russian Empire to Austria should be renamed to Ambassadors of the Russian Empire to the Austrian Empire as well.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241227200900-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227200900-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227200900-Johnpacklambert-20241227183100"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)-20241227195300"><span id="Reinoud_van_Brederode_.281567.E2.80.931633.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)-20241227195300"></span>Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)-20241227195300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567%E2%80%931633)" title="Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227195300-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)"></span>Reinoud van Brederode (1567–1633)</a> is the only article in Ambassadors of the Netherlands to Sweden. Brederode was actually the ambassador of the Dutch Republic. The Netherlands refers to a country formed in 1815. I do not think for diplomat categories we want to treat the Dutch Republic and the Netherlands as the same. Either way I do not think we need a Category for one article. I at fitmrst removed him because I had not known it was a one article category. On figuring this out I placed him back in the category..<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241227195300-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227195300-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241227195300-Reinoud_van_Brederode_(1567–1633)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jeremy_Kinsman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jeremy_Kinsman-20241228031200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jeremy_Kinsman-20241228031200"></span>Jeremy Kinsman<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jeremy_Kinsman-20241228031200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Jeremy Kinsman"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Jeremy_Kinsman" title="Jeremy Kinsman"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228031200-Jeremy_Kinsman"></span>Jeremy Kinsman</a> is the only article in the category Canadian ambassadors to Uzbekistan. However there is no mention of this fact in the article. I think we should for the time being remove the category.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241228031200-Jeremy_Kinsman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228031200-Jeremy_Kinsman"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228031200-Jeremy_Kinsman"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica-20241228150900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica-20241228150900"></span>Ambassadors of Russia to Costa Rica<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica-20241228150900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Ambassadors of Russia to Costa Rica"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228150900-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica"></span>This category has no direct articles. It only has a sub-cat Ambassadors of the Soviet Union to Costa Rica (which I believe onluly has 1 article). I do not think we should place Soviet Union categories as sub-cats of Russian categories, especially not for something like Ambassadors. So I think deleting this category (the Soviet Union Ambassadors cat is already directly a category of Ambassadors to Costa Rica) would be the best option.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241228150900-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228150900-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228150900-Ambassadors_of_Russia_to_Costa_Rica"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)-20241228151200"><span id="Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_.28Soviet_Union.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)-20241228151200"></span>Category:Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Soviet Union)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)-20241228151200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Category:Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Soviet Union)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151200-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)"></span>Why do we have <a href="/wiki/Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)" title="Category:Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Soviet Union)">Category:Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Soviet Union)</a> ? It is unclear how this is different than other Ambassadors of the Soviet Union. It mainly functions to add another category to pages that often already have excessive numbers of categories without giving the reader any information of value.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151200-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151200-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151200-Category:Ambassador_Extraordinary_and_Plenipotentiary_(Soviet_Union)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union-20241228151700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union-20241228151700"></span>Ambassadors of the Soviet Union<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union-20241228151700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Ambassadors of the Soviet Union"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151700-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union"></span>This category has 38 sub-cats with only 1 article. Such are rarely justified. Since the Soviet Union ceased to exist 33 years ago it is unlikely we will get many new articles to fill out these categories soon. Anyway, the current state hinders reader navigation. I really think that these 38 categories should all be upmerged to Ambassadors of the Soviet Union and their respective Ambassadors to categories. Probably the 2 and 3 article categories as well, but the 1 article categories are so numerous starting there would probably be a big enough task all by itself.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151700-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151700-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241228151700-Ambassadors_of_the_Soviet_Union"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Consuls" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consuls-20241229173400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Consuls-20241229173400"></span>Consuls<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Consuls-20241229173400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Consuls"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241229173400-Consuls"></span>At Wikipedia:Wikiproject categories I posted some questions regarding the name and scope of Category:Consuls you may want to comment on.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241229173400-Consuls" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241229173400-Consuls"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241229173400-Consuls"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories-20241230184500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories-20241230184500"></span>I think we should not have general high commissioners categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories-20241230184500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: I think we should not have general high commissioners categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories"></span>We are supposed to categorize people by like office, not just by shared name. We have <a href="/wiki/Category:High_commissioners_of_Ghana" title="Category:High commissioners of Ghana">Category:High commissioners of Ghana</a> and other similar categories. This is separating out some Ambassadors because thry held different titles. I think we should upmerge this to Category:Ambassadors of Ghana, and upmerge any similar nsned categories. We already put Permanent Representatives in amongst the ambassador categories, and in specific offices we include everyone under Ambassador even if their title was some type or Minister or Envoy. We do not include Charge d'affairs because they are basically interim leaders if there is no head, and we do not include consuls, since most of the time if there is a consul and not an envoy/minister/ambassador/high Commissioner it is because the sending country is not recognizing the place as independent. The x country to y country specific cats can use high Commissioner, but a general Category for Ambassadors of Foo and the general one for Ambassadors to Foo should directly contain all the sub-cats. This will especially help in not having to look in multiple lists to find people. To make things more fun there are some places that used to send or receive high commissioners to some other places who now instead have Ambassadors to the sane place.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500-I_think_we_should_not_have_general_high_commissioners_categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230185200-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500"></span>This is not just me being difficult in the article <a href="/wiki/John_Bentum-Williams" title="John Bentum-Williams">John Bentum-Williams</a> there is a section entitled "ambassadorial role" that someone else named, and it talks about 2 different offices he held, both with the title high Commissioner. These are seen as basically the same thing.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20241230185200-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230185200-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20241230185200-Johnpacklambert-20241230184500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Valide_Hatun" data-mw-thread-id="h-Valide_Hatun-20250102104900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Valide_Hatun-20250102104900"></span>Valide Hatun<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Valide_Hatun-20250102104900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Valide Hatun"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900-Valide_Hatun"></span>Hi, I noticed you added a number of Mongol noblewomen to this category, which appears to be for a title of noblewomen of the Ottoman Empire, and thus not applicable. Could you please revert these edits? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900-Valide_Hatun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900-Valide_Hatun"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900-Valide_Hatun"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250102155500-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900"></span>Ok. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250102155500-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250102155500-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250102155500-AirshipJungleman29-20250102104900"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate-20250103232900"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2025_January_3_.C2.A7_Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate-20250103232900"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3#Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3 § Category:1788 establishments in Tahiti</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate-20250103232900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3 § Category:1788 establishments in Tahiti"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aidan721-20250103232900-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3#Category:1788_establishments_in_Tahiti" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 3 § Category:1788 establishments in Tahiti</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aidan721-20250103232900-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250103232900-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250103232900-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_3_§_Cate"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County" data-mw-thread-id="h-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County-20250105022200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County-20250105022200"></span>Baseball diffusion by Texas County<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County-20250105022200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: Baseball diffusion by Texas County"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250105022200-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County"></span>Texas has 254 counties. Currently only 97 have baseball player origin sub-cats. There are only 87 direct articles. Upmerging the 6-8 articles that are in counties with only 2 players is not going to overburden the parent, and we are missing 157 counties, so there are at least 70 counties with currently no baseball players from them. This does not even get into the issue of, how often do people move between counties so they come from more than one? I do not know, but 254 counties (especially with some with very small populations) is not a good way to diffuse very much.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250105022200-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250105022200-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250105022200-Baseball_diffusion_by_Texas_County"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pharmacy_schools" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pharmacy_schools-20250107003200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pharmacy_schools-20250107003200"></span>Pharmacy schools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pharmacy_schools-20250107003200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: Pharmacy schools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200-Pharmacy_schools"></span>It looks to me like we only have at most 63 articles under the Pharmacy schools in the US tree. I think with that many we do not need to sub-divide for any state, not even California. I think we should upmerge everything. I think we need to stop sub-dividing categories with less than 100 entries by state at all.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200-Pharmacy_schools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200-Pharmacy_schools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200-Pharmacy_schools"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107004200-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200"></span>Actually the count is only 62 articles since Midwestern University is in 2 states. 5 articles are redirects. There is another issue. While many of the articles are on sub-units of universities that are solely or mainly pharmacy programs, others are on institutions that have other programs. One institution is in the pharmacy and graphic design program trees but not in any other. It offers other programs. I think we need to rethink this. It seems like an invitation to Category clutter. I do not think we want something like University of Michigan in a category for every program It has. Not every named college of a university is multiple, and many cover multiple programs. I went in thinking these would basically all be institutions that are only pharmacies, but we have sebmveral universities like Loma Linda University under the category. I think we need to lessen the contents.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250107004200-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107004200-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107004200-Johnpacklambert-20250107003200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Music_schools" data-mw-thread-id="h-Music_schools-20250107012000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Music_schools-20250107012000"></span>Music schools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Music_schools-20250107012000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: Music schools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012000-Music_schools"></span>The problems with music schools kead me to look over things more broadly. Right now <a href="/wiki/Western_University_(Kansas)" title="Western University (Kansas)">Western University (Kansas)</a> is the only thing in music schools in Kansas. I do not think it belongs there. Western University was a university with a top ranked music program, but I do not think we should put it under the music schools hierarchy. This is meant for things that are music schools by definition, not universities that happen to have music programs.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012000-Music_schools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012000-Music_schools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012000-Music_schools"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories-20250107012500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories-20250107012500"></span>A general problem with these by state categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories-20250107012500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: A general problem with these by state categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012500-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories"></span>I think these x type of school by state Category are just misleading. Take Michigan. The only education schools with articles are the UofM and MSU schools. Central, Western, Eastern and Northern all began as normal schools only training teachers, and one of the main founding components of Wayne Atate was the Detroit Teachers College, which was at one point almost the exclusive source of teachers in Detroit, which at one point was over 20% of all teachers in Michigan. It just seems misleading to have a category like this. I think the 1 and 2 articles by state are just hampering navigation. Plus then there was School of Rock listed as a music school in over 20 states. Those was over categorization, all the campuses were not even named in the article, so I removed them.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012500-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012500-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107012500-A_general_problem_with_these_by_state_categories"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Art_schools" data-mw-thread-id="h-Art_schools-20250107014000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Art_schools-20250107014000"></span>Art schools<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Art_schools-20250107014000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Art schools"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107014000-Art_schools"></span>Several of the things under "art school" are not just focused on visual arts, which is what "art" in singular is meant to be. Several are institutions that also do music, theatre, and some cases dance and even "communications" which ends up being journalism, public relations and related fields. There is also the oddity we are mixing performing arts high schools, tertiary level institutions and then private art schools that basically function at the high school level and lower but only for art. We do have a whole arts school's tree, but right now it just has art and architecture sub-cats. I am wondering if some things maybe should be moved to the parent cats.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250107014000-Art_schools" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107014000-Art_schools"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250107014000-Art_schools"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20250107185600"><span id="Category:N.C3.BAmenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20250107185600"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:N%C3%BAmenor" title="Category:Númenor">Category:Númenor</a> has been nominated for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion-20250107185600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: Category:Númenor has been nominated for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jontesta-20250107185600-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/Category:N%C3%BAmenor" title="Category:Númenor">Category:Númenor</a> has been nominated for deletion. 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Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Jontesta" title="User:Jontesta">Jontesta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jontesta" title="User talk:Jontesta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Jontesta-20250107185600-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jontesta-20250107185600-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jontesta-20250107185600-Category:Númenor_has_been_nominated_for_deletion"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Category:LGBTQ_historiography" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate-20250109231800"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2025_January_9_.C2.A7_Category:LGBTQ_historiography"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate-20250109231800"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9#Category:LGBTQ_historiography" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9 § Category:LGBTQ historiography</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate-20250109231800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=85" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9 § Category:LGBTQ historiography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MikutoH-20250109231800-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. 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Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:MikutoH" title="User:MikutoH"><span style="color: #be1918;"><b>MikutoH</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MikutoH" title="User talk:MikutoH"><sup><span style="color:#ee8b39;"> <b>talk!</b> </span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-MikutoH-20250109231800-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MikutoH-20250109231800-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MikutoH-20250109231800-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9_§_Cate"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aviation_schools_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aviation_schools_category-20250110140400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aviation_schools_category-20250110140400"></span>Aviation schools category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aviation_schools_category-20250110140400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: Aviation schools category"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250110140400-Aviation_schools_category"></span>Someone had tagged just about every university and college that happens to have an aviation program as an aviation school. This was tagging places like <a href="/wiki/Utah_Valley_University" title="Utah Valley University">Utah Valley University</a>, <a href="/wiki/Utah_State_University" title="Utah State University">Utah State University</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Western_Michigan_University" title="Western Michigan University">Western Michigan University</a>, all of which have over 20,000 students (maybe over 30,000 students) the vast majority of which have no connection to Aviation. Western Michigan University for example has a fairly noted program in the study of medieval history, it also now has a law school, and lots more. USU is a land-grant college that dates to the 19th-century, it predates aviation. I removed these categories. Another editor has added it back for Kansas State University. Kansas State dates to 1863, it literally existed for 40 years before Aviation, and longer before it got an aviation program. The academics category opens with this statement "Since 1986, Kansas State ranks first nationally among public universities in its total of <a href="/wiki/Rhodes_Scholarship" title="Rhodes Scholarship">Rhodes</a>, <a href="/wiki/Marshall_Scholarship" title="Marshall Scholarship">Marshall</a>, <a href="/wiki/Truman_Scholarship" class="mw-redirect" title="Truman Scholarship">Truman</a>, <a href="/wiki/Goldwater_Scholarship" class="mw-redirect" title="Goldwater Scholarship">Goldwater</a>, and Udall scholars with 147 recipients" which does not look like the product of aviation study. They have 65 academic departments in 9 colleges. 1 of the 9 is Technology and Aviation. If we had an article on the Kansas State University College of Technology and Aviation maybe that would belong in the aviation school category. These are the currently categories: </p><p>[[Category:Kansas State University| ]] </p><p>[[Category:Land-grant universities and colleges]] </p><p>[[Category:Education in Riley County, Kansas]] </p><p>[[Category:Public universities and colleges in Kansas]] </p><p>[[Category:Universities and colleges established in 1863]] </p><p>[[Category:1863 establishments in Kansas]] </p><p>[[Category:Manhattan, Kansas]] </p><p>[[Category:Universities and colleges accredited by the Higher Learning Commission]] </p><p>[[Category:Aviation schools in the United States]] </p><p>The 9 Colleges are: <a href="/wiki/Kansas_State_University_College_of_Agriculture" title="Kansas State University College of Agriculture">Agriculture</a>; Architecture, Planning and Design; Arts and Sciences; Business Administration; Education; Engineering; Health and Human Sciences; <a href="/wiki/Kansas_State_University_Salina_Aerospace_and_Technology_Campus" title="Kansas State University Salina Aerospace and Technology Campus">Technology and Aviation</a>; and Veterinary Medicine. I have reversed this case, but it still exists as an issue for many of the entries in this category. I am not sure even to college of Technology and Aviation belongs in the aviation school category.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250110140400-Aviation_schools_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250110140400-Aviation_schools_category"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250110140400-Aviation_schools_category"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat-20250110192600"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2025_January_10_.C2.A7_Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat-20250110192600"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10#Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10 § Category:Disasters in the Russian Empire by year</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat-20250110192600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=87" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10 § Category:Disasters in the Russian Empire by year"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aidan721-20250110192600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10#Category:Disasters_in_the_Russian_Empire_by_year" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 10 § Category:Disasters in the Russian Empire by year</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aidan721-20250110192600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250110192600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250110192600-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_10_§_Cat"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming" data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming-20250113173300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming-20250113173300"></span>Old Indian Judge category renaming<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming-20250113173300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=88" title="Edit section: Old Indian Judge category renaming"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming"></span>Hey Marcocapelle. I was just about to propose a category for renaming when I found that you had originally closed a relevant discussion. I noticed today that <a href="/wiki/Category:Justices_of_the_Tripura_High_Court" title="Category:Justices of the Tripura High Court">Category:Justices of the Tripura High Court</a> is the only category out of the 25 within <a href="/wiki/Category:Judges_of_the_high_courts_of_India" title="Category:Judges of the high courts of India">Category:Judges of the high courts of India</a> that uses "Justices" instead of "Judges". I found you closed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_28#Category:Judges_of_the_Tripura_High_Court" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 28">relevant CfD</a> about this category. Do you think that it should be proposed to rename the rest of the entries within this category as well? <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300-Old_Indian_Judge_category_renaming"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250113183600-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a>:</span> I can't think of any objections against such a nomination. It would be helpful to ping the participants of the previous discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250113183600-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250113183600-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250113183600-Hey_man_im_josh-20250113173300"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fictional_characters_presumed_dead" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead-20250116035100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead-20250116035100"></span>Fictional characters presumed dead<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead-20250116035100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=89" title="Edit section: Fictional characters presumed dead"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250116035100-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead"></span>I think this is a bad Category. I could add Clark Kent to it, since there was an episode of Lois and Clark where his presumed death when shot was a central plot point. They managed to work a way to explain his not dieing without everyone knowing he was Superman. I think if we had Clark Kent (Lois and Clark) as a separate article it would be more justified. However the above is probably a more notable character than half the characters in the article. The big problem is that this is a ploy point, or a clever twist, not defining. So many of these are soap opera characters it is more a reused trope that in some cases gets very bad.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250116035100-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250116035100-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250116035100-Fictional_characters_presumed_dead"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Female_murder_victims" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Female_murder_victims-20250122161300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Female_murder_victims-20250122161300"></span>Category:Female murder victims<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Female_murder_victims-20250122161300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=90" title="Edit section: Category:Female murder victims"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Namiba-20250122161300-Category:Female_murder_victims"></span>Hi there, I started diffusing <a href="/wiki/Category:Female_murder_victims" title="Category:Female murder victims">Category:Female murder victims</a> as it has over 1,400 articles by country. However, it occurred to me after a few edits that perhaps I am naming them incorrectly. Do you think we should name the categories <a href="/wiki/Category:Female_murder_victims_in_the_United_States" title="Category:Female murder victims in the United States">Category:Female murder victims in the United States</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:American_female_murder_victims&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:American female murder victims (page does not exist)">Category:American female murder victims</a>? Perhaps another name?--<a href="/wiki/User:Namiba" title="User:Namiba">User:Namiba</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Namiba-20250122161300-Category:Female_murder_victims" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Namiba-20250122161300-Category:Female_murder_victims"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Namiba-20250122161300-Category:Female_murder_victims"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250122171800-Namiba-20250122161300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Namiba" title="User:Namiba">Namiba</a>:</span> I think we shouldn't have murder victims categories at all because the articles are largely about the <i>murders</i> rather than about the victims. A victims category is an unnecessary near-duplicate of a murders category. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250122171800-Namiba-20250122161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250122171800-Namiba-20250122161300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250122171800-Namiba-20250122161300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Namiba-20250122172500-Marcocapelle-20250122171800"></span>Should we split it? Some of the articles are for people who were murdered and others are for, as you said, murder cases.--<a href="/wiki/User:Namiba" title="User:Namiba">User:Namiba</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Namiba-20250122172500-Marcocapelle-20250122171800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Namiba-20250122172500-Marcocapelle-20250122171800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Namiba-20250122172500-Marcocapelle-20250122171800"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250123033000-Namiba-20250122172500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Namiba" title="User:Namiba">Namiba</a>:</span> I am not seeing any benefit in splitting. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250123033000-Namiba-20250122172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250123033000-Namiba-20250122172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250123033000-Namiba-20250122172500"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="by_behavior" data-mw-thread-id="h-by_behavior-20250123011400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-by_behavior-20250123011400"></span>by behavior<span data-mw-comment-end="h-by_behavior-20250123011400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=91" title="Edit section: by behavior"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:People_by_behavior" title="Category:People by behavior"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-20250123011400-by_behavior"></span>Category:People by behavior</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_characters_by_behavior" title="Category:Fictional characters by behavior">Category:Fictional characters by behavior</a></li></ul> <p>I just came across these. And many of these subcats look similar to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Performers_by_action_or_appearance" title="Wikipedia:Overcategorization">Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Performers_by_action_or_appearance</a>, and/or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRIVIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRIVIAL">WP:TRIVIAL</a>. </p><p>I'll admit that <a href="/wiki/Category:Illeists" title="Category:Illeists">Category:Illeists</a> and it's fictional counterpart <a href="/wiki/Category:Fictional_illeists" title="Category:Fictional illeists">Category:Fictional illeists</a> made me chuckle, though : ) </p><p>What do you think? - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Jc37-20250123011400-by_behavior" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-20250123011400-by_behavior"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-20250123011400-by_behavior"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250123032800-Jc37-20250123011400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">Jc37</a>:</span> I agree, but see here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_8#Category:Illeists" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 8">Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_8#Category:Illeists</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250123032800-Jc37-20250123011400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250123032800-Jc37-20250123011400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250123032800-Jc37-20250123011400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-20250123035300-Marcocapelle-20250123032800"></span>Thank you for that link. The arguments there (2 people) are for having the article, not for the people who choose to act a certain way.</dd> <dd>Probably need to group them in chunks rather than just a big nom. A few of them could double as occupations, for example.</dd> <dd>I haven't looked at the fiction tree in awhile, but it looks like it could use a clean up... - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Jc37-20250123035300-Marcocapelle-20250123032800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-20250123035300-Marcocapelle-20250123032800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-20250123035300-Marcocapelle-20250123032800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212300-Jc37-20250123035300"></span>The Illeist Category discussion claims that President Trump is a great example of why the Category is needed. Yet he is not in the category. We're people not actually able to back this categorization with reliable sources? Henry Adams, I think is based on the way he wrote a book, not actual speach.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212300-Jc37-20250123035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212300-Jc37-20250123035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212300-Jc37-20250123035300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100-Jc37-20250123011400"></span>If writing a book that refers to yourself in the 3rd person makes you an Illeist than why is <a href="/wiki/Laura_Ingalls_Wilder" title="Laura Ingalls Wilder">Laura Ingalls Wilder</a> not in this category? She is basically only notable as the writer of the Little House on the Prairie Books, in which every reference to herself is un the 3rd person. True these were heavily edited by her daughter, and thry are fictionalized accounts, but still she is speaking of herself in the 3rd person. I think the past discussion missed the mark. Not everything that can be reliably sourced is defining. We can reliably source most films an actor was in, that does not mean we should have each person with an acting career in a separate category for every film. We can reliably source every person who has played Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Tarzan and many other roles, that does not mean Actors who played Superman, Actors who played Tarzan, etc are a good idea. The reason we do not have "Red Haired Kings" is not because there are no reliable sources about hair color of kings, but because it is a trivial characteristic. So is referring to oneself in the 3rd person.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100-Jc37-20250123011400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100-Jc37-20250123011400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100-Jc37-20250123011400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202214300-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100"></span>I had a look at some of the articles under Illeists. It appears that in most cases this behavior is not mentioned in the lead. One I got through the whole article and found no mention of it.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250202214300-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202214300-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202214300-Johnpacklambert-20250202213100"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Category:People_by_city" data-mw-thread-id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat-20250130172400"><span id="CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion.2FLog.2F2025_January_30_.C2.A7_Category:People_by_city"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat-20250130172400"></span>CfD nomination at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30#Category:People_by_city" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30 § Category:People by city</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat-20250130172400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=92" title="Edit section: CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30 § Category:People by city"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aidan721-20250130172400-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p>A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30#Category:People_by_city" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 30 § Category:People by city</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aidan721-20250130172400-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250130172400-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250130172400-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_30_§_Cat"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa-20250202212000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa-20250202212000"></span>Scholars of pre-colonial Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa-20250202212000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=93" title="Edit section: Scholars of pre-colonial Africa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212000-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa"></span>Looking at the content, I think this should be renamed Category:Scholars from pre-colonial Africa. Thos is not meant to group scholars who studied pre-colonial Africa, which is what scholars of usually means. It is meant to group scholars who lived and worked in pre-colonial Africa. In the case of Ehiopia, there is pre-Imperoal Ethiopia, which is the smaller kingdom that existed until about the 1870s when it went theough Imperial expansion to put large non-Amheric speaking areas within the kingdom. Because of this the Amheric speakers are only about a third of Ethipia's population. However since we do not have articles on Somali or Tigrayan scholars working before their society was taken over by the Ethiopian Empire, pre-colonial is not the right word. I have doubts there were many Oromo scholars before the Ethiopian conquest, and have even larger doubts any records of such survive, but that is a different issue.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212000-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212000-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250202212000-Scholars_of_pre-colonial_Africa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination" data-mw-thread-id="h-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination-20250207034200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination-20250207034200"></span>Withdrawal of CfD nomination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination-20250207034200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=94" title="Edit section: Withdrawal of CfD nomination"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination"></span>Why did you <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1274362311" title="Special:PermanentLink/1274362311">delist a CfD</a> on "deaths by decade"? The categories nominated are still tagged. –<a href="/wiki/User:LaundryPizza03" title="User:LaundryPizza03"><b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaundryPizza03" title="User talk:LaundryPizza03"><span style="color:#0d0">d</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03" title="Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03"><span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200-Withdrawal_of_CfD_nomination"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250207070500-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LaundryPizza03" title="User:LaundryPizza03">LaundryPizza03</a>:</span> I do not have the faintest idea what happened. The nomination is back on now. Thanks for the notification! <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250207070500-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250207070500-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250207070500-LaundryPizza03-20250207034200"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg-20250208184700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg-20250208184700"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place (page does not exist)">Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place</a> has been nominated for merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg-20250208184700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=95" title="Edit section: Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place has been nominated for merging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aidan721-20250208184700-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place (page does not exist)">Category:Ancient Christian saints by populated place</a> has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization</a> guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_8#Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 8">the category's entry</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion">categories for discussion</a> page. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aidan721-20250208184700-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250208184700-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250208184700-Category:Ancient_Christian_saints_by_populated_place_has_been_nominated_for_merg"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mount_Rushmore_fireworks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks-20250209123600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks-20250209123600"></span>Mount Rushmore fireworks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks-20250209123600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=96" title="Edit section: Mount Rushmore fireworks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randy_Kryn-20250209123600-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks"></span>Have reverted your edit, the article and event focused on the fireworks and rally while the controversy of gathering a group without masks seems tangential (at least in terms of choosing the principal category). <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Randy_Kryn-20250209123600-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randy_Kryn-20250209123600-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randy_Kryn-20250209123600-Mount_Rushmore_fireworks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics-20250214190800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics-20250214190800"></span>Category:Sanskrit aesthetics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics-20250214190800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=97" title="Edit section: Category:Sanskrit aesthetics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oraclesto-20250214190800-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics"></span>Hi there, thank you for your help in cleaning up this category. I see you participated in reformatting the category after my CfD request. </p><p>I have some questions about the pages that you removed the categories from. I feel I must have seen a note somewhere, but I've lost it now and am having a hard time figuring out why the individuals, that is, theorists of aesthetics and poeticians, are removed from <a href="/wiki/Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics" title="Category:Sanskrit aesthetics">Category:Sanskrit aesthetics</a>. Philosophers of art are a subcategory in <a href="/wiki/Category:Aesthetics" title="Category:Aesthetics">Category: Aesthetics</a>, so might these individuals better be suited in a subcategory under <a href="/wiki/Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics" title="Category:Sanskrit aesthetics">Category:Sanskrit aesthetics</a>? </p><p>Some were reclassified as poets, when they were not poets, so I am thinking to revert those edits. </p><p>The edit read "(→Further reading: Category removed per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 21#Arab supporters of Israel) which didn't make sense to me. I don't believe this category had anything to do with Israel. I wanted to understand your rationale before suggesting a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:Oraclesto" title="User:Oraclesto">Oraclesto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oraclesto" title="User talk:Oraclesto">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Oraclesto-20250214190800-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oraclesto-20250214190800-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oraclesto-20250214190800-Category:Sanskrit_aesthetics"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250214201300-Oraclesto-20250214190800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Oraclesto" title="User:Oraclesto">Oraclesto</a>:</span> apologies for the wrong edit summary, that must have been a copy paste error. Biographies should be in people categories, so in Sanskrit linguists or in Sanskrit writers or in Sanskrit poets in accordance to what their occupation is/was. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250214201300-Oraclesto-20250214190800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250214201300-Oraclesto-20250214190800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250214201300-Oraclesto-20250214190800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oraclesto-20250214215300-Marcocapelle-20250214201300"></span>That's helpful, thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Oraclesto" title="User:Oraclesto">Oraclesto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oraclesto" title="User talk:Oraclesto">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Oraclesto-20250214215300-Marcocapelle-20250214201300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oraclesto-20250214215300-Marcocapelle-20250214201300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oraclesto-20250214215300-Marcocapelle-20250214201300"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000"></span>New message from Lost in Quebec<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=98" title="Edit section: New message from Lost in Quebec"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ernsanchez00-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox" style=""><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ernsanchez00#New_Categories" title="User talk:Ernsanchez00"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Marcocapelle. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ernsanchez00#New_Categories" title="User talk:Ernsanchez00">Ernsanchez00's talk page</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">Message added <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Ernsanchez00-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a>. You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Marcocapelle">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ernsanchez00-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ernsanchez00-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"></span>I'd like you to chime in here also. <a href="/wiki/User:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User:Lost in Quebec">Lost in Quebec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User talk:Lost in Quebec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lost_in_Quebec-20250215132000-New_message_from_Lost_in_Quebec"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_good" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_good-20250217135000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_good-20250217135000"></span>You good<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_good-20250217135000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=99" title="Edit section: You good"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnu779-20250217135000-You_good"></span>good user you deleted when i said to. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/18px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/27px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/36px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> Gnu779 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnu779" title="User talk:Gnu779"> talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Gnu779-20250217135000-You_good" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gnu779-20250217135000-You_good"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gnu779-20250217135000-You_good"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marcocapelle-20250217182100-Gnu779-20250217135000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gnu779" title="User:Gnu779">Gnu779</a>:</span> I have no idea what you are talking about. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Marcocapelle-20250217182100-Gnu779-20250217135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marcocapelle-20250217182100-Gnu779-20250217135000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marcocapelle-20250217182100-Gnu779-20250217135000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gnu779-20250219120600-Marcocapelle-20250217182100"></span>you deleted the template:titan-stub at my request. <abbr title="Sad face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/18px-Face-sad.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/27px-Face-sad.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Face-sad.svg/36px-Face-sad.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> Gnu779 (<a 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Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Aidan721" title="User:Aidan721">Aidan721</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aidan721" title="User talk:Aidan721">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Aidan721-20250219144500-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19_§_De" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 19 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aidan721-20250219144500-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19_§_De"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aidan721-20250219144500-CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19_§_De"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_thoughts_on_setting" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_thoughts_on_setting-20250222225600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_thoughts_on_setting-20250222225600"></span>More thoughts on setting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_thoughts_on_setting-20250222225600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&action=edit&section=101" title="Edit section: More thoughts on setting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600-More_thoughts_on_setting"></span>I noticed you are arguing that when setting and writing are the sane it is overcategorization to categorize by both. I think you are right. I think we have another problem. 2001:A Space Odessy is in Category:Films set in 2001, so are films that involved the Sep. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The basic problem in that I do not think we should treat as the same settings films set in the future, and films seylt in the past. They are different things, and just because they may use the sane year, does not mean they are approaching the year the same. Plus I think 2001 A Space Odessy has excessive categories. It is also in films set in 1999. I think Films by year of setting should be limited to films set in the past. Films set in the year they were released (and this I think applies to other creative works) should be categorized as such. I think we also should generally only categorize by the main portion of the work. ''Madane Web'' is set in both 2003 and has opening scenes in 1979 or so, but I think that only 2003 is defining. I think all future settings should be in a seperate tree.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600-More_thoughts_on_setting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600-More_thoughts_on_setting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600-More_thoughts_on_setting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222234100-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600"></span>I just realized we have some weird things going on in the films setting categories. First off, this should be limited to defining parts of the work. If there are a few brief scenes or one small scene in several places but most of it occurs in a specific place, than I think we should go with the spedlcific place. Batman versus Superman has some odd things going on. The 3 places that are defining are Metroplis, Gotham City and Kansas. I am not even sure Kansas is defining. The film was in the Set in Delaware and Set in New Jersey categories. However thry never in the film say those are the locations of Metroplis and Gotham. That is a comic convention, that may not have even been that big in the comics but was never officially endorsed in this film. In at least 1 Superman TV show they made up a state (New Troy in Lois and Clark) to set Metropolis in. So the most logical and realistic setting for Batman versus Superman is really Films set in the United States. I think in this case we figure just using Films set in Kansas is misleading lyrics narrow, but we have no other actually states it is explicitly set in. However it is an Anerican film, so I am strongly thinking it should just be in Films Set in the United States. With both film place of setting and film time of setting I think we need to choose larger categories over excessive categories. If a film is half set in Chicago and half in St. Louis, Detroit, or even Peoria, Illinois, fine do two categories. However if a film in set in Chicago. St. Louis, Detroit and Peoria I think at that time a more broad category such as Films set in the United States is much better. With years, I moved Captain America: The First Acmvenger from three or 4 different specific years in the 1940s to the Films Set in the 1940s category. The exact years of setting are not that important, especially since it is a fantasy film, what matters is the action is the period of time when the US was involved in Wprld War II, so the 1940s. These principals about not categorizing by minor details matter even more with TV shows. I am not sure I even what to see what sort of setting categories "Legends of Tomorrow" is in. It is a TV show involving time'm-traveling Super heros. So there are a whole odd group of both time and place settings.<a href="/wiki/User:Johnpacklambert" title="User:Johnpacklambert">John Pack Lambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnpacklambert" title="User talk:Johnpacklambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle#c-Johnpacklambert-20250222234100-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222234100-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnpacklambert-20250222234100-Johnpacklambert-20250222225600"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&oldid=1277148891">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marcocapelle&oldid=1277148891</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 22 February 2025, at 23:41<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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