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class="article-text ">斎藤氏「車止めをどけるのを失念していたのではないか、と申し上げたと記憶している」</p><p class="article-text ">委員長「声の大きさや程度は」</p><p class="article-text ">斎藤氏「会議が始まる直前で、外でもあり、大きい声で伝えた」</p><div class="inline-gptAd clear hide_on_desktop"><div id="fusion-static-enter:static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001" style="display:none" data-fusion-component="static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001"></div><div class="gptAd"><div id="div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001"></div><script>(function() { var isMobileAdSlot = true; if (_isMobile ? isMobileAdSlot : !isMobileAdSlot) { googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001'); }); } })();</script></div><div id="fusion-static-exit:static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001" style="display:none" data-fusion-component="static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf001"></div></div><p class="article-text ">委員長「かなりきつい言い方だったという認識はあるか」</p><p class="article-text ">斎藤氏「それなりに強く指摘した」</p><p class="article-text ">委員長「叱責する前に職員に『車は入ったらいけないのか』と確認しなかった」</p><p class="article-text ">斎藤氏「会議が始まる直前でそんな暇はなかったと思う。車の動線を確保できていなかったのではないかという強い思いがあり、注意した」</p><p class="article-text ">委員長「車が入ったらだめなのか確認していない。知事の考えは思い込みでは」</p><p class="article-text ">斎藤氏「車止めの直前で急に止まったので、車止めを取り忘れていたと思った。歩かされたことを怒ったのではなく、円滑な車の進入を確保していなかったことへの注意だった」</p><div class="inline-gptAd clear hide_on_desktop"><div id="fusion-static-enter:static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002" style="display:none" data-fusion-component="static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002"></div><div class="gptAd"><div id="div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002"></div><script>(function() { var isMobileAdSlot = true; if (_isMobile ? isMobileAdSlot : !isMobileAdSlot) { googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002'); }); } })();</script></div><div id="fusion-static-exit:static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002" style="display:none" data-fusion-component="static-div-gpt-ad-Mobile_Rec_1st_inf002"></div></div><div class="inline-gptAd clear hide_on_mobile hide_on_tablet"><div 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