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A rare historical landmark? What is the building's claim to notability? </p><p>The vanity stuff needs to go anyway... <a href="/wiki/User:Weregerbil" title="User:Weregerbil">Weregerbil</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House#c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:29:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:29:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:29:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:35:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>I don't know what to do about this one. Maybe change the prod to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">an AfD discussion</a> so that more eyes will see it? As there is some change the building is notable somehow. <a href="/wiki/User:Weregerbil" title="User:Weregerbil">Weregerbil</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House#c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:35:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:35:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-10T01:35:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-14T04:29:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>Only the truth is reported here. All contributors are primary sources, as no official historical works concerning Vail house and its residents (both past and present) exist. j </p><p>I lived in the house and appreciate that it has been added to the Wiki site. Although I don't think it should be a forum for crazy stories, the article certainly has value for Ann Arbor historians and former co-opers. I don't think adding reasonable, interesting personal experiences to the entry is all that hurtful, either. Even if the article doesn't have universal value, it will have encyclopedic value for someone in the future, and I think that is within the general Wikipedia spirit. - G.W.M. </p> <dl><dd>The early versions of the article documented three things: someone drawing people, a party, and a rotten egg in a basement. Those things have now been replaced with an article about the building. A blog is a great place for anecdotes about the rotten egg etc; an encyclopedia not so much. <a href="/wiki/User:Weregerbil" title="User:Weregerbil">Weregerbil</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House#c-Weregerbil-2006-02-14T04:29:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-14T04:29:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Weregerbil-2006-02-14T04:29:00.000Z-Untitled"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Uncle_G-2006-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>Weregerbil, I agree. The rotten egg had to go. But, I hope members and former-members of the co-op feel comfortable contributing to the site. For example, I think it would be of interest to get some facts from a member that lived in Vail when it was a women's dorm in the 1960's. It would be a primary source with valuable information about early cooperative living, the Ann Arbor campus in the 60's, etc. I think the framework of deletion has made discussion of this article a little snarky. This can't be the first entry that started out as anecdotes but had historical value. -G.W.M. </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">Article content must come from prior documentation</a>. Creating primary sources that record firsthand experiences <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">is forbidden here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Uncle_G" title="User:Uncle G">Uncle G</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House#c-Uncle_G-2006-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Uncle_G-2006-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Uncle_G-2006-11-02T11:27:00.000Z-Untitled"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z"><span id="Stefan_T._Valavanis_.28Vail.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Stefan T. Valavanis (Vail)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Stefan T. Valavanis (Vail)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)"></span>I added two third-party references to the work of Stefan T. Valavanis, one of them from the advertisement in <i>Journal of Economic Literature</i> (20 years after his death). It would be useful for others to locate more information on Vail, simply by searching JSTOR. Yours in cooperation, <a href="/wiki/User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz" title="User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz">Kiefer.Wolfowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz" title="User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House#c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2010-12-06T13:21:00.000Z-Stefan_T._Valavanis_(Vail)"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House&oldid=1202619577">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Stefan_T._Vail_Cooperative_House&oldid=1202619577</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_Michigan_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class Michigan articles">Stub-Class Michigan articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Michigan_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Michigan articles">Low-importance Michigan articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Michigan_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Michigan articles">WikiProject Michigan articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 3 February 2024, at 04:35<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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