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emj'>1930年代の歴史が参照されるんだけど、世界恐慌時に高関税が導入されてブロック経済が進展し、それがWWIIにつながった、というのが、国際政治の教科書の話。経済学では関税をあげたから世界恐慌になったという説明だったかな。本当だろうか。 <a href="https://t.co/x0aBxneC38" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/ZanEngineer/st…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/ShinodaHideaki/status/1907565988637466761" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 07:49:07</a> </span> </span> <div class='quoted_tweet_box'> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='3_0' data-id='1907541237965717927'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/ZanEngineer' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="6" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">お侍さん</strong> <span class="status_name">@ZanEngineer</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>関税は一方的に引き上げると世界恐慌を起こすので、GATT（現WTO）により、勝手に上げられないようになった。はずだったが、現在WTOはアメリカによって5年前から機能しないようにされていて、関税は実質上げ放題みたいな状態になっている。要は、このままトランプの相互関税を止められないのはヤバい。 <a href="https://t.co/oD7Psxqr3Y" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pic.x.com/oD7Psxqr3Y</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/ZanEngineer/status/1907541237965717927" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 06:10:46</a> </span> </span> <div class="list_thumb_box"> <a href="https://x.com/ZanEngineer/status/1907541237965717927" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnjypIcaMAUius7.jpg:thumb"/> </a> <a href="https://x.com/ZanEngineer/status/1907541237965717927" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnjypV7aUAABNA4.jpg:thumb"/> </a> <a href="https://x.com/ZanEngineer/status/1907541237965717927" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnjypWDbAAESj5Y.jpg:thumb"/> </a> <a href="https://x.com/ZanEngineer/status/1907541237965717927" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img 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src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">別地ᗩᘆ@家出するぞ！</strong> <span class="status_name">@betisan</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/STQb7pu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@STQb7pu</a> <a href="https://x.com/grok" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@grok</a> 解説希望！</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/betisan/status/1907654320192974975" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:40:07</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='1907654528289108202'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/grok' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">Grok</strong> <span class="status_name">@grok</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c15"><a href="https://x.com/betisan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@betisan</a> <a href="https://x.com/STQb7pu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@STQb7pu</a> 了解しました！関税と世界恐慌の関係について、ちょっと深掘りして解説しますね。まず、STQb7puさんが言ってるように、第一次大戦後の恐慌（つまり1929年からの大恐慌）の流れは「関税→恐慌」じゃなくて「恐慌→関税」が正しい時系列です。大恐慌は1929年のウォール街の株価大暴落から始まったけど、その背景には第一次大戦後の経済的な歪みがデカい。戦争で欧州はボロボロ、米国は一時的に経済大国になったけど、戦後の復興支援でアメリカが欧州に貸した金が返ってこない状況が続いて、金融システムがガタガタになってた。で、1929年に恐慌が始まると、米国は自分たちの産業を守ろうとして1930年にスムート・ホーリー関税法を導入したわけ。この関税、輸入品にバカ高い税金をかけて「アメリカの農家や仕事を守るぞ！」って意図だったけど、結果的に大失敗。世界貿易が1929年から1934年までに66%も減っちゃった。だって、他の国も報復で関税を上げてきたから、輸出も輸入もガタ落ち。失業率も1930年の8%から1932-33年には25%まで跳ね上がった。でも、ここで大事なのは、関税が恐慌の「原因」じゃなくて、恐慌を「悪化させた」ってこと。恐慌の根本原因は、戦争後の金融不安定さや需要の落ち込み、銀行の破綻とかが絡み合った複雑な話。関税はそれをさらに酷くしただけ。歴史的に見ても、関税だけで恐慌が起きるって単純な話じゃないんだよね。ちなみに、最近の米国の関税政策（トランプ時代から続いてる中国への関税とか）も似たような議論を呼んでるけど、歴史から学ぶなら、関税ってのは使い方次第で諸刃の剣だよ。保護主義は一見カッコいいけど、世界経済全体が縮こまると結局自分も痛い目見るってパターン、昔から変わらないね。どう思う？</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/grok/status/1907654528289108202" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:40:56</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='1907706124515815852'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/HidarinoX' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">鎌倉山＃六四天安門＃パンデミック条約反対！</strong> <span class="status_name">@HidarinoX</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/STQb7pu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@STQb7pu</a> そうだと言ってますね <a href="https://t.co/uNiH8ZmlIW" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/i/grok/share/8…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/HidarinoX/status/1907706124515815852" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 17:05:58</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='1907648621694365908'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/rosehistory2022' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">rose history temple</strong> <span class="status_name">@rosehistory2022</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/STQb7pu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@STQb7pu</a> 1929年10月NY株価大暴落(暗黒の木曜日)→1930年6月フーバー大統領によるスムートホーリー関税法→1933年1月F.ローズヴェルト大統領就任(ニューディール政策開始)は，高校の世界史で常識ですね。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/rosehistory2022/status/1907648621694365908" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:17:28</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <div class="thumb"> <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E6%81%90%E6%85%8C" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img class="lazy " data-s="https://pimg.togetter.com/591e9859f4c6242d84c6b1f361d1f7a50d5fe143/68747470733a2f2f75706c6f61642e77696b696d656469612e6f72672f77696b6970656469612f636f6d6d6f6e732f7468756d622f352f35342f4c616e67652d4d696772616e744d6f7468657230322e6a70672f39363070782d4c616e67652d4d696772616e744d6f7468657230322e6a7067?w=250&t=c" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/img/noimage200.png" /> </a> </div> <span class="content"> <span class="label">リンク</span> <span class="site_name"> Wikipedia </span> </span> <span class="title"> <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E6%81%90%E6%85%8C" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> 世界恐慌 </a> </span> <span class="desc"> 世界恐慌（せかいきょうこう）または大恐慌（だいきょうこう、英: The Great Depression）とは、1930年代にアメリカを皮切りに世界的に起こった深刻な経済恐慌のことである。世界恐慌の時期は国によって異なるが、ほとんどの国では1929年に始まり、1930年代後半まで続いた。それは20世紀の中で最も長く、最も深く、最も広範な不況であった。世界恐慌により日本国内で起きた不況のことを昭和恐慌という。世界恐慌は、世界経済がいかに激しく衰退するかの例として一般的に使われている。世界恐慌は、1929年 </span> <span class="site_data"> <span class="http-bookmark bindclick" data-href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E6%81%90%E6%85%8C">53 users</span> <span class="count_facebook bindclick" data-href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E6%81%90%E6%85%8C"> <svg class="svg-icon fa-facebook-square"><use xlink:href="#facebook-square" /></svg>537</span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='10' data-id='1907653537854796221'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Hiroki8112' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="12" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">Hiroki</strong> <span class="status_name">@Hiroki8112</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>そうだよね。となると、シンプルに「今アメリカは金がない」って言ってるんだろうね。なんで金がないのか？で考えると、さすがに戦争の陰を想像して恐くなるよ。既に使っちゃった分と、これからもっと必要になる分を蓄えつつ、諸外国の力も削ければOKってことを意識してると思う。 <a href="https://t.co/jFi1hQeLX5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/STQb7pu/status…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Hiroki8112/status/1907653537854796221" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:37:00</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='11' data-id='1907642132686569786'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/zizi2525' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="13" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">ジジ/ブライ</strong> <span class="status_name">@zizi2525</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c06">過去の世界恐慌は世界大戦→アメリカバブル→証券パニック→世界恐慌→関税引き上げだった訳でなぜ現代で関税が引き上げられたからって世界恐慌になると思うのか？引き合いに出してるけど因果が逆なんだよなんでもトランプのせいにしたい勢力があるんだろうけどさ</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/zizi2525/status/1907642132686569786" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 12:51:41</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='1907689040104804615'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/rVK4gqlMdGAFLLl' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="14" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">ヌルヌルさん(安心)</strong> <span class="status_name">@rVK4gqlMdGAFLLl</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>世界恐慌から大戦へ同じ経過をたどるとすると「ブロック経済によって戦争起こす以外の選択肢がなくなる国」が必要なんだけどどこなんだろうか「資源を外国に頼っててそれなりに軍事力のある国」。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/rVK4gqlMdGAFLLl/status/1907689040104804615" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 15:58:04</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='13' data-id='1907633892414087577'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tanukikojifire' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="15" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">たぬきこうじ</strong> <span class="status_name">@tanukikojifire</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c06">今の状況を1929年の世界恐慌と重ねてる人が多いみたいね当時は米国のフーバー大統領が諸外国への高関税を容認して諸外国も報復関税で仕返しをした結果、ブロック経済が進んで経済圏ごとに孤立 ↓ 資源のない日本やドイツと、資源豊富な国の間で対立が激化 ↓ 第2次世界大戦勃発だったっけ</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tanukikojifire/status/1907633892414087577" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 12:18:56</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='14' data-id='1907634289598148967'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/tanukikojifire' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="15" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">たぬきこうじ</strong> <span class="status_name">@tanukikojifire</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c06">👆を繰り返さないために関税回避策を打つためにどこの国も案を練ってるんよ、歴史を学んでいればそう簡単には戦争にならぬ</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/tanukikojifire/status/1907634289598148967" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 12:20:31</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='15' data-id='1907653279145930911'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/savan_savan' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="16" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">JOY86式。</strong> <span class="status_name">@savan_savan</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>ここ10年くらい「戦前」って言われてきたけど。いよいよここに来て「世界恐慌」という最後のカードが揃いつつあるとか怖すぎて笑えないわ。 <a href="https://t.co/YFh148DPXq" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/tanukikojifire…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/savan_savan/status/1907653279145930911" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:35:58</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='16' data-id='1907650884198162854'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/job_rinu2' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="17" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">りぬ@凸凹育児</strong> <span class="status_name">@job_rinu2</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>んーーー。そうなのか〜二の轍を踏まないようにしないとなんだな… <a href="https://t.co/QLSJuFGOmL" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/tanukikojifire…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/job_rinu2/status/1907650884198162854" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 13:26:27</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='17' data-id='1907620630285180976'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kei0_057' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="18" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">けい</strong> <span class="status_name">@kei0_057</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>二次大戦が始まった理由って生活が苦しくなったドイツ国民がナチスを支持したからだったり、ブロック経済によって植民地をあんま持ってない日独伊が植民地欲しさに侵略したりしたからなんだけど、これって元の原因は世界恐慌なんよね</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kei0_057/status/1907620630285180976" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 11:26:14</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='18' data-id='1907587083193184473'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/IsonoNaoyuki' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="19" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">磯野直之</strong> <span class="status_name">@IsonoNaoyuki</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>あまり言いたくはないが、世界景気の大幅後退はもちろん、報復合戦になり最悪の場合の世界恐慌リスクも念頭に置かざるを得ない事態。 <a href="https://t.co/0WkCW3ntAI" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/IsonoNaoyuki/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/IsonoNaoyuki/status/1907587083193184473" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 09:12:56</a> </span> </span> <div class='quoted_tweet_box'> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='18_0' data-id='1907585080593363121'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/IsonoNaoyuki' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="19" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">磯野直之</strong> <span class="status_name">@IsonoNaoyuki</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>昨年８月５日と違い、売り仕掛けなどでの行き過ぎた下げとは言えない。トランプ関税で世界貿易の在り方が根本から変わり、対米輸出は禁止に近い状態になる。それに対応する株価水準がどこか、模索するにも時間がかかる。 <a href="https://t.co/fdbY1bjzZq" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/IsonoNaoyuki/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/IsonoNaoyuki/status/1907585080593363121" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 09:04:59</a> </span> </span> </div> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='19' data-id='1907642228815835149'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/lume_re2024' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="20" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">灯刳さん。スパコミ32-04参加/同人作家</strong> <span class="status_name">@lume_re2024</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>私今歴史の教科書覗いてんのかな。世界恐慌だの、国家非常事態だの、今ならテスト受けてもいいぞ？</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/lume_re2024/status/1907642228815835149" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 12:52:04</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='20' data-id='1907643572343521425'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/mainichi' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="21" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">毎日新聞</strong> <span class="status_name">@mainichi</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>「完全に狂っている」経済学者・クルーグマン氏が相互関税を猛批判 <a href="https://t.co/wBsweWUWvN" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mainichi.jp/articles/20250…</a> ノーベル経済学賞を受賞した著名な経済学者ポール・クルーグマン氏が、自らが配信するニュースレターで、トランプ米大統領が発表した相互関税を「完全に狂っている」と猛批判しました。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/mainichi/status/1907643572343521425" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-04-03 12:57:24</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <div class="thumb"> <a href="https://mainichi.jp/articles/20250403/k00/00m/020/103000c" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img class="lazy " data-s="https://pimg.togetter.com/9ecd441df347d4c6c364275e28858af32c21e244/68747470733a2f2f63646e2e6d61696e696368692e6a702f766f6c312f323032352f30342f30332f32303235303430336b303030306d303230313038303030702f306331302e6a70673f31?w=250&t=c" 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