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class="toctext">You are now a Reviewer</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Autopatroller"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Autopatroller</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Africa/The_10,000_Challenge"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Falkland_Islands"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Falkland Islands</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Ecoregion_stuff"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Ecoregion stuff</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Burhanpur"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Burhanpur</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Thank_you"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Thank you</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Cumberland Plain Woodlands</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Question about Ecoregion importance scale</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#thanks_for_your_continued_etc..."><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">thanks for your continued etc...</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Ecoregions"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Ecoregions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Wikiproject_Ecoregions_%22Open_Tasks%22_Suggestion"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Wikiproject Ecoregions "Open Tasks" Suggestion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#west_oz_coast"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">west oz coast</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Former_biosphere_preserves?"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">Former biosphere preserves?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#here%E2%80%99s_a_chezburgr"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">here’s a chezburgr</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores_and_Canary_islands)"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Laurel/laurissilva (the so-called evergreen broad leaf forest of Madeira, Azores and Canary islands)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#ok"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">ok</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Speciesbox"><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">Speciesbox</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#also_while_you_are_at_it"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">also while you are at it</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#adding"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">adding</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Template:_Infobox_marine_ecoregion_(coordinates?)"><span class="tocnumber">24</span> <span class="toctext">Template: Infobox marine ecoregion (coordinates?)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Thanks"><span class="tocnumber">25</span> <span class="toctext">Thanks</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique"><span class="tocnumber">26</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Lepidoptera of Mozambique</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Sassandra_River"><span class="tocnumber">27</span> <span class="toctext">Sassandra River</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin"><span class="tocnumber">28</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Dates_with_botanical_authorities"><span class="tocnumber">29</span> <span class="toctext">Dates with botanical authorities</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Invitation"><span class="tocnumber">30</span> <span class="toctext">Invitation</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Rungwe_dwarf_galago"><span class="tocnumber">31</span> <span class="toctext">Rungwe dwarf galago‎</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities"><span class="tocnumber">32</span> <span class="toctext">Publication dates with botanical authorities</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces"><span class="tocnumber">33</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Endemic flora of the Cape Provinces</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera"><span class="tocnumber">34</span> <span class="toctext">Distribution categories and monotypic genera</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Page_moves"><span class="tocnumber">35</span> <span class="toctext">Page moves</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Page_mover_granted"><span class="tocnumber">36</span> <span class="toctext">Page mover granted</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"><span class="tocnumber">37</span> <span class="toctext">ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Support_for_publication_dates_in_plant_taxoboxes"><span class="tocnumber">38</span> <span class="toctext">Support for publication dates in plant taxoboxes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Altitude_vs._elevation"><span class="tocnumber">39</span> <span class="toctext">Altitude vs. elevation</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Welcome_to_the_drive!"><span class="tocnumber">40</span> <span class="toctext">Welcome to the drive!</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_%E2%80%93_award"><span class="tocnumber">41</span> <span class="toctext">February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Justicia_genistiformis"><span class="tocnumber">42</span> <span class="toctext">Justicia genistiformis</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Meaning_of_%22endemic%22"><span class="tocnumber">43</span> <span class="toctext">Meaning of "endemic"</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Linnaea"><span class="tocnumber">44</span> <span class="toctext"><i>Linnaea</i></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Dates_in_plant_names"><span class="tocnumber">45</span> <span class="toctext">Dates in plant names</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#talk_pages"><span class="tocnumber">46</span> <span class="toctext">talk pages</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Pseudopanax_arboreus"><span class="tocnumber">47</span> <span class="toctext">Pseudopanax arboreus</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#Invitation_to_join_the_WikiProject_Plants_Stub-to-Start_Drive"><span class="tocnumber">48</span> <span class="toctext">Invitation to join the WikiProject Plants Stub-to-Start Drive</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Dates_with_botanical_authorities_%E2%80%93_again"><span class="tocnumber">49</span> <span class="toctext">Dates with botanical authorities – again</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="tocnumber">50</span> <span class="toctext">ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#%22Karens%22_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"><span class="tocnumber">51</span> <span class="toctext">"Karens" listed at Redirects for discussion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#CfD_nomination_at_Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_1_%C2%A7_Biota_by_biogeographic_realm"><span class="tocnumber">52</span> <span class="toctext">CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for 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Your account has been granted the "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced">reviewer</span>" userright, allowing you to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reviewing" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:Reviewing">review other users' edits</a> on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes" title="Wikipedia:Pending changes">two-month trial</a> scheduled to end 15 August 2010. </p><p>Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed">autoconfirmed</a> to articles placed under pending changes. 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More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes" title="Wikipedia:Pending changes">here</a>. </p><p>If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. <a href="/wiki/User:Courcelles" title="User:Courcelles">Courcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Courcelles" title="User talk:Courcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Courcelles-2010-06-18T17:52:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Courcelles-2010-06-18T17:52:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2011-05-15T16:17:00.000Z-Autopatroller"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg/80px-Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="73" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1825"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 80px;height: 73px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg/80px-Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg.png" data-width="80" data-height="73" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg/120px-Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg/160px-Wikipedia_Autopatrol.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hi Tom Radulovich, just wanted to let you know that I have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ATom+Radulovich">added</a> the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. 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Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish"><span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish"><sup>™</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-OlEnglish-2011-05-15T16:17:00.000Z-Autopatroller" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2011-05-15T16:17:00.000Z-Autopatroller"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Encyclopædius-2020-04-13T07:38:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_Africa/The_10,000_Challenge"></span> </p> <dl><dd>Thanks! I listed a few on <a href="/wiki/User:Skysmith/Missing_articles_about_Locations_-_Africa" title="User:Skysmith/Missing articles about Locations - Africa">User:Skysmith/Missing articles about Locations - Africa</a>; is that the best spot to do so?</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Falkland_Islands" data-mw-thread-id="h-Falkland_Islands-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Falkland_Islands-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"></span>Falkland Islands<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Falkland_Islands-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Falkland Islands" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-126' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T18:32:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z-Falkland_Islands"></span>Hi, </p><p>I saw a number of edits you made on Falklands topics. There seems to have been a problem with the edit as it introduced an error in wikisyntax. I did try and fix it but I'm having one of those days and couldn't see the problem. So I ended up reverting to the last version. </p><p>I'd be grateful if you wouldn't mind explaining what the change means - to a layman it seems strange to label the Falklands as "tropical". <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z-Falkland_Islands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z-Falkland_Islands"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z-Falkland_Islands"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"></span>Sure – there are a few different biogeographic schemes in use to classify places. The principal one used on wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Biogeographic_realm" title="Biogeographic realm">Biogeographic realms</a>. In that system, which includes both flora and fauna, the Falklands are part of the <a href="/wiki/Patagonian_grasslands" title="Patagonian grasslands">Patagonian grasslands</a> ecoregion, which is part of the <a href="/wiki/Neotropical_realm" title="Neotropical realm">Neotropical realm</a>, a realm that includes the rest of South America. In that system there is a separate <a href="/wiki/Antarctic_realm" title="Antarctic realm">Antarctic realm</a> which includes Antarctica and some subantarctic islands like South Georgia, but not the Falklands, so it's not accurate to say that the Falklands is in the Antarctic realm, aka Antarctic ecozone. A similar scheme used in botany is <a href="/wiki/Floristic_kingdom" class="mw-redirect" title="Floristic kingdom">Floristic kingdoms</a>, which are similar to the biogeographic realms, but with slightly different boundaries, particularly in the temperate southern hemisphere. In that system, the Falklands and Patagonia are part of the <a href="/wiki/Antarctic_Floristic_Kingdom" class="mw-redirect" title="Antarctic Floristic Kingdom">Antarctic Floristic Kingdom</a>, which includes some other temperate-zone areas of South America, Australia, and New Zealand, based on the presence of the temperate-climate <a href="/wiki/Antarctic_flora" title="Antarctic flora">Antarctic flora</a>. So what I was trying to explain is that in the biogeographic realm system the Falklands are part of the Patagonian grasslands ecoregion and Neotropical realm, but in the Floral Kingdoms system the Falklands and Patagonia are part of the Antarctic Floristic Kingdom.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T17:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T18:32:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, I appreciate the explanation. I don't know what has gone wrong but if you can fix your edit, feel free to revert back to your version. I helped get Falkland Islands to FA status so I like to try and keep it neat and tidy. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T18:32:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T18:32:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-2020-04-21T18:32:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-21T18:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Ecoregion_stuff" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ecoregion_stuff-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ecoregion_stuff-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Ecoregion stuff<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ecoregion_stuff-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Ecoregion stuff" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-127' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-30T21:05:00.000Z-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z-Ecoregion_stuff"></span>Hi Tom. You might be interested in this list: </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_ecoregions_in_Europe">Draft:List of ecoregions in Europe</a></li></ul> <p>It's a draft I made, covering all ecoregions within Europe. I have also collected several images for ecoregions here on WikiCommons. Also for pages that has not been written yet. <a href="/wiki/User:RhinoMind" title="User:RhinoMind">RhinoMind</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RhinoMind" title="User talk:RhinoMind">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z-Ecoregion_stuff" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z-Ecoregion_stuff"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z-Ecoregion_stuff"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-30T21:05:00.000Z-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! I will check it out. Some of the European ecoregion articles still need infoboxes, maps, and images; perhaps what you have collected here can be used to expand those articles, or start the missing ones. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-30T21:05:00.000Z-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-30T21:05:00.000Z-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-04-30T21:05:00.000Z-RhinoMind-2020-04-30T13:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Burhanpur" data-mw-thread-id="h-Burhanpur-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Burhanpur-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span>Burhanpur<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Burhanpur-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Burhanpur" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-128' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:12:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z-Burhanpur"></span>Hey i am from this city. Thanks sir for creating a Wikipedia page for my city back in 2004. Hope you will be fine. Stay preventive from the coronavirus. And if you can, please help me in updating the article. I a new Wikipedian. <a href="/wiki/User:HeroNumberZero" title="User:HeroNumberZero">HeroNumberZero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HeroNumberZero" title="User talk:HeroNumberZero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z-Burhanpur" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z-Burhanpur"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z-Burhanpur"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:04:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span>i am a new Wikipedian. (sorry for grammatical mistakes in previous one) <a href="/wiki/User:HeroNumberZero" title="User:HeroNumberZero">HeroNumberZero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HeroNumberZero" title="User talk:HeroNumberZero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:04:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:04:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:04:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:12:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span>you are very welcome. It has been a while since I looked at Burhanpur, but I will have another look.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:12:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:12:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:12:00.000Z-HeroNumberZero-2020-05-16T14:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Thank_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"></span>Thank you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Thank you" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-129' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2020-06-01T01:43:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span>for all your work on Australian ecoregions - specially the tying in the IBRA context with it all, much appreciated !! <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z-Thank_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z-Thank_you"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"></span>You're welcome! Most of the articles are still rather thin; please help make them better articles if you're game.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-05-31T05:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-01T01:43:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z"></span>hahah that exhibits a knowledge of this place in fewer words than most... the most complicated is the marine of the variety, it is in 3 dimensions - headache beyond headache <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2020-06-01T01:43:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-01T01:43:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-01T01:43:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-05-31T19:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"></span>Cumberland Plain Woodlands<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Cumberland Plain Woodlands" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-130' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands"></span>G'day. I see that you have categorized <a href="/wiki/Cumberland_Plain_Woodland" title="Cumberland Plain Woodland">Cumberland Plain Woodland</a> under <a href="/wiki/Temperate_forests" class="mw-redirect" title="Temperate forests">Temperate forests</a>, when the plain <i>doesn't</i> even have forests to start with (it is a grassy, dry woodland area with an open canopy). Whilst the region doesn't have a Mediterranean climate per se, its shrubby and dry woodland area is reminiscent of the <a href="/wiki/Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub" title="Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub">Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub</a> and as well as <a href="/wiki/Temperate_grasslands" class="mw-redirect" title="Temperate grasslands">Temperate grasslands</a>. And such woodlands do not need to have a Mediterranean climate either way, to posses Mediterranean-style woodland areas, as some oceanic and humid subtropical climates near the Mediterranean sea feature <a href="/wiki/Maquis_shrubland" title="Maquis shrubland">Maquis shrubland</a>. </p><p>For the record, the <a href="/wiki/Eastern_Australian_temperate_forests" title="Eastern Australian temperate forests">Eastern Australian temperate forests</a> cover the forests in the <a href="/wiki/Blue_Mountains_(New_South_Wales)" title="Blue Mountains (New South Wales)">Blue Mountains</a> west of Sydney and those in the <a href="/wiki/Royal_National_Park" title="Royal National Park">Royal National Park</a> south of Sydney, which are well outside of the Cumberland Plain. Now <i>they</i> tremendously feature pockets of temperate and subtropical forests, whereas the Cumberland Plain does <i>not</i>. </p><p>Here are some image examples of the natural vegetation of the <a href="/wiki/Cumberland_Plain" title="Cumberland Plain">Cumberland Plain</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://geoassessment1byharrisonbinks.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/1/6/19161239/1394074758.jpg">image one</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/content/dam/westlinkm7/photos/fs-env-01.jpg">image two</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://live.staticflickr.com/7571/16225112991_0ed915f24e_b.jpg">image three</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.weekendnotes.com/im/003/00/cumberland-plain-woodland31.jpg">image four</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/E_Morris/publication/255582302/figure/fig2/AS:297687749545989@1447985698374/Kangaroo-Grass-flowering-in-frequently-burnt-Cumberland-Plain-Woodland-at-Holsworthy.png">image five</a>. Now compare these to the temperate forests in the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48896316741_f485e30656_b.jpg">Royal National Park</a> in southern Sydney and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://daynaa2000.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/rainforest-in-the-jamison-valley-near-katoomba-falls-blue-mountains.jpg?w=640">Blue Mountains National Park</a> west of Sydney. You can clearly see how dry and scrubby the Cumberland Plain Woodland is for "temperate forests" and how it certainly can't be grouped with the actual neighbouring temperate forests in the vicinity. </p><p>Here is a descrption of the Cumberland Plain Woodland from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/animals-and-plants/threatened-species/nsw-threatened-species-scientific-committee/determinations/final-determinations/2008-2010/cumberland-plain-woodland-critically-endangered-ecological-community-listing">a NSW government website</a>: </p><p><sub><big><sup><b>"...typically comprises an open tree canopy, a near-continuous groundcover dominated by grasses and herbs, sometimes with layers of shrubs and/or small trees. Shrubs may sometimes occur in locally dense stands. Less disturbed stands of the community may have a woodland or forest structure. Small trees or saplings may dominate the community in relatively high densities after partial or total clearing, and the groundcover may be relatively sparse, especially where densities of trees or shrubs are high. The community also includes ‘derived’ native grasslands which result from removal of the woody strata from the woodlands and forests."</b></sup></big></sub> </p><p>I'd understand that maybe for climatic reasons, the Woodland cannot be grouped under Med forests, but it certainly shouldn't be placed under "temperate forests" (as per description above). I hope you have a perspective on this. Thanks. – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.221.127.71" title="Special:Contributions/203.221.127.71">203.221.127.71</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.221.127.71" title="User talk:203.221.127.71">talk</a>), <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z-Cumberland_Plain_Woodlands"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"></span>Here is how the IBRA classifies each of the bioregions by biome:<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/ibra/australias-ecoregions">[1]</a>. The entire Syney Basin bioregion, which includes the Cumberland subregion, is classed as temperate broadleaf and mixed forest (IBRA uses the terms 'ecoregion' and 'biome' interchangably, while in the WWF scheme biomes are biomes and ecoregions are one or more bioregions, but the schemes are otherwise well-synched). All of eastern NSW and southern Victoria, from the Dividing Range to the sea, is classed as temperate broadleaf and mixed forest, along with portions of the western slope. I have been sticking with the IBRA and WWF classifications for my edits to ecoregion and bioregion articles.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Why the two authorities classify Cumberland subregion as they do is something they could best answer. I'd offer that ecoregions and bioregions are large, landscape-sized units that have one predominant plant community, but may include others. Forest regions (the ones near me, for example) have areas of grassland or shrubland resulting from historic disturbances or the underlying soil conditions. Grassland regions may have enclaves of forest or woodland. Some temperate forest ecoregions also have sclerophyllous trees, particularly if they are adjacent to mediterranean-climate regions (known in Europe as 'submediterranean' forests) or semi-arid regions.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The ecoregion and bioregion delineations are based on the ultimate (or natural, or climax) vegetation – what would occur there without human disturbance. Many areas have been extensively disturbed, and some for a very long time. In many forest ecoregions - humid, dry, and Mediterranean - there now extensive areas of anthropogenic grasslands, savanna, and scrub. I hope that helps. Since the Cumberland Plain Woodlands is neither an ecoregion or bioregion, perhaps the article can do without a biome category if you think it just creates confusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z-203.221.127.71-2020-06-04T08:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the response. I am aware that the whole Sydney region is grouped under Temperate Broadleaf and Mixed Forests classification and I've seen these biome maps many times. But I had always thought its categorisations are too generic and are rather linked or conflated with the climate of the region. So oceanic and mild humid subtropical equates "temperate broadleaf", Med climate is "Mediterranean forests" and semi-arid will naturally be "temperate savannah". That isn't always the case as climate and vegetation don't always match. I understand that you were following the main source, but at times the official sources just don't get everything correct themselves.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Sydney's vegetation is originally grassy woodland with sparse sclerophyll trees and shrubs, hence "Cumberland plain" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/threatenedSpeciesApp/VegClass.aspx?vegclassname=Coastal+Valley+Grassy+Woodlands&habitat=C">source</a>). When the plain was first discovered and observed by Europeans in the late 1790s, it was described as "a fine timbered country, perfectly clear of bush, through which you might, generally speaking, drive a gig in all directions, without any impediment in the shape of rocks, scrubs, or close forest" (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com.au/books?id=TDxldj_SLcYC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=%22a+fine+timbered+country,+perfectly+clear+of+bush,+through+which+you+might,+generally+speaking,+drive+a+gig+in+all+directions,+without+any+impediment+in+the+shape+of+rocks,+scrubs,+or+close+forest%22.+This+confirmed+earlier+accounts+by+Governor+Phillip,+who+suggested+that+the+trees+were+%22growing+at+a+distance+of+some+twenty+to+forty+feet+from+each+other,+and+in+general+entirely+free+from+brushwood...%22&source=bl&ots=SqFE4x6OoN&sig=ACfU3U3pYmnu8-WaMj0SUlZdAhPw3c_dTw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiet5n1nOrpAhVoyDgGHQ4MBZUQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22a%20fine%20timbered%20country%2C%20perfectly%20clear%20of%20bush%2C%20through%20which%20you%20might%2C%20generally%20speaking%2C%20drive%20a%20gig%20in%20all%20directions%2C%20without%20any%20impediment%20in%20the%20shape%20of%20rocks%2C%20scrubs%2C%20or%20close%20forest%22.%20This%20confirmed%20earlier%20accounts%20by%20Governor%20Phillip%2C%20who%20suggested%20that%20the%20trees%20were%20%22growing%20at%20a%20distance%20of%20some%20twenty%20to%20forty%20feet%20from%20each%20other%2C%20and%20in%20general%20entirely%20free%20from%20brushwood...%22&f=false">source</a>).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>About the biome category, I personally think "Mediterranean woodlands/scrubland" is more fitting because the name at least includes the words "woodlands and scrubs" (appropriate for the Cumberland Plain), and the core definition of Mediterranean forests would cover sclerophyllous vegetation. This is something that "temperate forests" doesn't do, nor define. So "Mediterranean" just seems the closest thing right now. And one reason why most of Sydney (not just the Cumberland plain) cannot be Temperate broadleaf & mixed forest is because it is predominantly covered by (sclerophyllous) eucalyptus, grevillea, melalueca, acacia and casuarina trees. Whereas 'mixed forests' would generally feature conifers, ficus, beeches, birches, oaks and/or other 'mixed' species including many other deciduous trees. If anything, Tasmania and NZ have regions with 'true' mixed forests and can be rightly placed under "temperate broadleaf & mixed forests". Even if you disagree, I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Cheers. – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.221.127.71" title="Special:Contributions/203.221.127.71">203.221.127.71</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.221.127.71" title="User talk:203.221.127.71">talk</a>), <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-203.221.127.71-2020-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-04T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"></span>Question about Ecoregion importance scale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Question about Ecoregion importance scale" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-131' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale"></span>Are all ecoregion articles presumed to be of "middle" importance for the Ecoregions Wikiproject? Is it possible that some WWF-designated regions are of high or low importance? (Great work, by the way, filling the regions out). <a href="/wiki/User:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User:Every-leaf-that-trembles">Every-leaf-that-trembles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z-Question_about_Ecoregion_importance_scale"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"></span>It's a good question. I was following the assessment criteria here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ecoregions/Assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Ecoregions/Assessment">Wikipedia:WikiProject Ecoregions/Assessment</a>, which say that articles on ecoregions ought to be mid-importance. It seems a reasonable default for primary ecoregion articles, although it's somewhat mechanical. It also seems reasonable that certain ecoregions might be of higher or lower importance. Are there some criteria you'd suggest for distinguishing higher or lower importance? We could add those to the guidance for the WikiProject. In WWF's conservation assessments (Africa, Indo-Pacific, and so on) they use a "globally outstanding – regionally outstanding – bioregionally outstanding – locally important" scale, based on both species richness and endemism. I don't know whether they have done such an ecoregion-level assessement for all the continents, although there is the Global 200. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-06-09T01:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z"></span>The Importance scale is really about the level of readership/pageviews. At other Wikiprojects I have found that most articles get hardly any pageviews, some get some pageviews, and a few get lots. Given that it is WikiProject Ecoregions, it is best that all ecoregion articles are <i>at least</i> Mid-importance, but if some are extra-popular with the readers, they certainly can be High-importance. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"><a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-09T01:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="thanks_for_your_continued_etc..." data-mw-thread-id="h-thanks_for_your_continued_etc...-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-thanks_for_your_continued_etc...-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"></span>thanks for your continued etc...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-thanks_for_your_continued_etc...-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: thanks for your continued etc..." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-132' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2020-06-12T00:34:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_continued_etc..."></span>just a note that <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West,_Western_Australia">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West,_Western_Australia</a> is the disambig that is not a disambig - in view of the size of western australia, some regions regions have up to 6 or more possible variations of boundary - just in case you hadnt encountered it... thanks for continued work on oz regions - appreciated <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_continued_etc..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_continued_etc..."><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_continued_etc..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. I'm planning to do some work on the Southwest Australia article to distinguish some of the biogeographic definitions of the region and its sub-regions (Beard, IBRA, WWF, CI, etc.). It currently centers on CI's 'hotspot' definition, which is not necessarily the most important one. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2020-06-11T15:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-12T00:34:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z"></span>Thanks - there is also the rather perplexed <a href="/wiki/Regions_of_Western_Australia" title="Regions of Western Australia">Regions of Western Australia</a> to give a handle on the issues, if it still exists, we live in perplexing times <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2020-06-12T00:34:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-12T00:34:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2020-06-12T00:34:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-06-11T15:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Ecoregions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ecoregions-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ecoregions-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"></span>Ecoregions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ecoregions-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Ecoregions" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-133' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Abductive-2020-08-19T04:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z-Ecoregions"></span>Good work on the ecoregions articles. I was thinking of working on some myself, but I was wondering if there was a list somewhere of approved ecoregions? <span style="font-family: Cambria;"><a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z-Ecoregions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z-Ecoregions"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z-Ecoregions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! And we'd love more editors on the ecoregion project; there's lots to do! The definitive list, as devised by the WWF and their partners, is here: <a href="/wiki/List_of_terrestrial_ecoregions_(WWF)" title="List of terrestrial ecoregions (WWF)">List of terrestrial ecoregions (WWF)</a>. North America has two other official ecoregion schemes. There are also <a href="/wiki/Lists_of_ecoregions_by_country" title="Lists of ecoregions by country">Lists of ecoregions by country</a>, and lists attached to the <a href="/wiki/Biogeographic_realm" title="Biogeographic realm">biogeographic realm</a> articles if you have a particular geographic interest. There are a few dozen ecoregion articles yet to be written. All of the primary ecoregion articles are ranked mid-importance or higher on the project's importance scale, so improving mid-importance and high-importance stubs is also great way to contribute. The project also has very few good articles, and could use reviewers and editors willing to improve them. I'm happy to answer any questions.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z-Abductive-2020-08-19T00:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z"></span>I made a spreadsheet of the ecoregions to use as a checklist. It has some useful Wiki info for each ecoregion, like the Wikidata link (if any), the map file name (if any), pointers to the foreign wiki articles, known redlinks, etc. The original core list was from the Nature Conservancy site (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://geospatial.tnc.org/datasets/7b7fb9d945544d41b3e7a91494c42930_0/data">here</a>). Is there a way to upload this Excel file to my userpage or the Project Ecoregion page? Other editors might find it useful. <a href="/wiki/User:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User:Every-leaf-that-trembles">Every-leaf-that-trembles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T00:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z"></span>I used the excel2wiki converter (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools#Excel" title="Wikipedia:Tools">Wikipedia:Tools#Excel</a>) to convert an excel table to this wikitable: <a href="/wiki/List_of_ecoregions_in_Australia#WWF_ecoregions_and_IBRA_bioregions" title="List of ecoregions in Australia">List of ecoregions in Australia#WWF ecoregions and IBRA bioregions</a>. It was pretty straightforward even though I'm not very technical. I did have to wikify the links manually.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2020-08-19T03:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-2020-08-19T04:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-2020-08-19T04:11:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2020-08-19T03:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon 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ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2021-01-02T21:29:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Ecoregions_"Open_Tasks"_Suggestion'></span>Happy New Year! I see that we are getting close to having articles for all of the WWF terrestrial ecoregions. I have drafts for the remaining 10 redlinks and am looking to post them in the next couple of days, along with a round of maps. Would you mind if I updated the "Open Tasks" section at Wikiproject Ecoregions? I'd like to suggest some of the obvious next steps - de-stubbing, separate articles for the Redirects that deserve them, updating conservation statuses, minimum datasets for Wikidata, marine/freshwater articles, etc. Would that be OK with you? <a href="/wiki/User:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User:Every-leaf-that-trembles">Every-leaf-that-trembles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2021-01-02T21:29:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Ecoregions_%22Open_Tasks%22_Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2021-01-02T21:29:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Ecoregions_"Open_Tasks"_Suggestion'><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2021-01-02T21:29:00.000Z-Wikiproject_Ecoregions_"Open_Tasks"_Suggestion'></span> </p> <dl><dd>that sounds like a great plan. Thanks for all of your work on the articles, and happy new year to you as well!</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="west_oz_coast" data-mw-thread-id="h-west_oz_coast-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-west_oz_coast-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span>west oz coast<span data-mw-comment-end="h-west_oz_coast-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: west oz coast" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-135' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:30:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z-west_oz_coast"></span>there are many holes in the info regarding 'sections' of the coast, probably the longest in any single jurisdiction on the planet, I am not sure - the regions of wa (9 admin) hardly do justice to the regional variations in the biogreography as you will find - and few if anyoz eds have had the courage to go into the 3 dimensional nature of the maritime ecoregions in <a href="/wiki/Integrated_Marine_and_Coastal_Regionalisation_of_Australia" title="Integrated Marine and Coastal Regionalisation of Australia">Integrated_Marine_and_Coastal_Regionalisation_of_Australia</a> - and even as only few have delved into the <a href="/wiki/IBRA" class="mw-redirect" title="IBRA">IBRA</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z-west_oz_coast" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z-west_oz_coast"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z-west_oz_coast"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-07-20T18:43:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span>WA is indeed wonderfully biodiverse, and it's a challenge to represent that complexity in these articles. The marine coastal and shelf bioregions are more straightforward, since they vertically integrate the seafloor and neritic biota. The continental slope and deep sea bioregions are a bigger puzzle since the pelagic and benthic regions aren't vertically aligned. Also, the continental shelf edge makes a sensible biogeographic boundary, but the EEZ boundary is entirely political and makes no biogeographic sense. It's also harder to find much written about deep ocean biogeography, while the coastal regions are better documented. So for the time being I'm content leaving the deep sea for others to sort out.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>What do you think of renaming "Category:Pilbara coastline of Western Australia" to "Category:Pilbara Coast"? There are already categories named Ningaloo Coast, Batavia Coast, and Turquoise Coast (Western Australia). <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-07-20T18:43:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-07-20T18:43:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-07-20T18:43:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:17:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span>I would have no objection to the proposed change - and thanks for your understanding of the issues - it is reassuring that someone after all this time is dealing with the issues. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:17:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:17:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:17:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:30:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span>there has been a tendency for very lazy eds to create stubs <i>x</i> found in australia - with no qualifying state or region identified, similarly even such a tendency of <i>x</i> in western australia - leaves a very large physical range to be potentially found. As a result, the 9 administratively created 'regions' have been utilised. The considerable issues of who calls what leaves the 'south west' of western australia a minefield - as shown in the regions of wa article. Even the botanists and others over 120 years have determined more south wests than people have breakfasts in the week. There was an attempt to show that in an attempt to identify the range of south wests - at least pilbara and kimberley are straight forward and sort of make sense. More problematic is the north west/gascoyne confusion. And so it goes, there are quite a few tricks to encounter.<a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:30:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:30:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2021-07-21T01:30:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2021-07-20T05:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Former_biosphere_preserves?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Former_biosphere_preserves?-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"><span id="Former_biosphere_preserves.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Former_biosphere_preserves?-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Former biosphere preserves?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Former_biosphere_preserves?-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Former biosphere preserves?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-136' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T15:35:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z-Former_biosphere_preserves?"></span>Why did you put <a href="/wiki/Hubbard_Brook_Experimental_Forest" title="Hubbard Brook Experimental Forest">Hubbard Brook Experimental Forest</a> in the category <i>Former biosphere reserves of the United States</i>? Why "former"? It hasn't changed that I know of. - <a href="/wiki/User:DavidWBrooks" title="User:DavidWBrooks">DavidWBrooks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidWBrooks" title="User talk:DavidWBrooks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z-Former_biosphere_preserves?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z-Former_biosphere_preserves?"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z-Former_biosphere_preserves?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"></span>The US government withdrew 17 protected areas from the world network of biosphere reserves in 2017. Hubbard Brook Experimental Forest was one of them: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://en.unesco.org/biosphere/eu-na">[2]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ecowatch.com/un-biosphere-reserve-2442151611.html">[3]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T12:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T15:35:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z"></span>Ah, I see. Thanks. - <a href="/wiki/User:DavidWBrooks" title="User:DavidWBrooks">DavidWBrooks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DavidWBrooks" title="User talk:DavidWBrooks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T15:35:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T15:35:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DavidWBrooks-2021-09-20T15:35:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2021-09-20T15:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="here’s_a_chezburgr" data-mw-thread-id="h-here’s_a_chezburgr-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z"><span id="here.E2.80.99s_a_chezburgr"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-here’s_a_chezburgr-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z"></span>here’s a chezburgr<span data-mw-comment-end="h-here’s_a_chezburgr-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: here’s a chezburgr" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-137' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-EngineerGaming112-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z-here’s_a_chezburgr">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:brown; background-color:gold; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EngineerGaming112-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z-here’s_a_chezburgr"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cheeseburger.png" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Cheeseburger.png/100px-Cheeseburger.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="67" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="2700" data-file-height="1800"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 100px;height: 67px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Cheeseburger.png/100px-Cheeseburger.png" data-width="100" data-height="67" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Cheeseburger.png/150px-Cheeseburger.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Cheeseburger.png/200px-Cheeseburger.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/User:EngineerGaming112" title="User:EngineerGaming112">Engie</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EngineerGaming112&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:EngineerGaming112 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) haz givn u <a href="/wiki/Cheeseburger" title="Cheeseburger">Cheezburgr</a>! Cheezburgrs promot <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLovez</a> and hoapfuly thiz one haz made yore day bettr. Spreadd teh WikiLovez by givin sumone else Cheezburgr, whethr it be sumeone youz hav had disagreementz with in teh past or a gud frend. Hapy munchins! <br> </p><p>Spredd teh goudnesz of Cheezburgerz to all <a href="/wiki/Template:Lolcat" title="Template:Lolcat">lolcat</a> buddiez by addin {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cheezburgr" title="Template:Cheezburgr">subst:Cheezburgr</a>}} to their talk paj with friendly messuj to all. </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> </div> <pre><a href="/wiki/User:EngineerGaming112" title="User:EngineerGaming112">Engie</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EngineerGaming112&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:EngineerGaming112 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-EngineerGaming112-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z-here%E2%80%99s_a_chezburgr" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 29 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EngineerGaming112-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z-here’s_a_chezburgr"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EngineerGaming112-2021-09-29T10:12:00.000Z-here’s_a_chezburgr"></span> </pre> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z"><span id="Mediterranean_forests.2C_woodlands.2C_and_scrub.23Degradation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z"></span>Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-138' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Zblace-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zblace-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation"></span>Hey I noticed you are passionate about this topic and I added an image into section on #Degradation (back from 'fatherland' of exYUgoslavia), but you might want to organize photos to be more directly tied to sections? I did not want to stir things much in a long page. </p><p>Also consider checking out <a class="external free" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ExPatYUGOdiasporas">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ExPatYUGOdiasporas</a> :-) </p><p>Keep up the good work! --<a href="/wiki/User:Zblace" title="User:Zblace">Zblace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zblace" title="User talk:Zblace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Zblace-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 10 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zblace-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zblace-2021-11-10T08:10:00.000Z-Mediterranean_forests,_woodlands,_and_scrub#Degradation"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores_and_Canary_islands)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"><span id="Laurel.2Flaurissilva_.28the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira.2C_Azores_and_Canary_islands.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"></span>Laurel/laurissilva (the so-called evergreen broad leaf forest of Madeira, Azores and Canary islands)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Laurel/laurissilva (the so-called evergreen broad leaf forest of Madeira, Azores and Canary islands)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-139' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-11-14T21:18:00.000Z-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores"></span>I would suggest you to read the basic definitions of laurel/laurissilva (the so-called evergreen broad leaf forest of Madeira, Azores and Canary islands), on wikipedia and not only. It is mainly a subtropical type of forest. Why is that? The species composition is very old dating back to the Tertiary period (in Madeira the laurissilva was estimated to be around 1,8 million years old) when subtropical forests were dominant in southern europe and because it are not Mediterranean or Deciduous temperate forests. Broad leaf is the opposite of Mediterranean and differentiates it from both conifer and small hard leaf Mmediterranean vegetation and evergreen is the opposite of deciduous, because the leaf cover is permanent. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.94.20.23" title="Special:Contributions/95.94.20.23">95.94.20.23</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:95.94.20.23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:95.94.20.23 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z-Laurel/laurissilva_(the_so-called_evergreen_broad_leaf_forest_of_Madeira,_Azores"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-11-14T21:18:00.000Z-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"></span>I understand what you are saying about the characteristics of laurisilva, how they're distinct from Mediterranean sclerophyll and temperate deciduous forests. That understanding is reflected in the two ecoregion articles (which I substantially wrote) which you have recently started editing, as well as the <a href="/wiki/Laurel_forest" title="Laurel forest">laurel forest</a> article.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>However all of Wikipedia's articles about WWF/DMEER-defined ecoregions reference the biomes used by WWF and DMEER. That system classifies the Azores and Madeira ecoregions as temperate broadleaf and mixed forests. That biome is broad enough to include warm-temperate to subtropical evergreen forests in Macaronesia, Europe, Asia, and elsewhere, as well as semi-decidous or deciduous forests in colder temperate climates. The WWF scheme was developed over many years by some very qualified people, has a lot of research informing it, and is widely used by researchers and NGOs, which is why the Ecoregions wikiproject used it as the basis for these articles. The consensus at the Ecoregions WikiProject was that it's better to use a consistent set of ecoregions and biomes than to have everyone invent their own – and fight about them.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-11-14T21:18:00.000Z-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-11-14T21:18:00.000Z-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2021-11-14T21:18:00.000Z-95.94.20.23-2021-11-14T16:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="ok" data-mw-thread-id="h-ok-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ok-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z"></span>ok<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ok-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: ok" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-140' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-02T17:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z-ok"></span>there are some really weird definitions of south west australia - but hell, <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Great_Western_Woodlands">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Great_Western_Woodlands</a> is well out of the range - experiencing in real life it is so obvious... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z-ok" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z-ok"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-28T10:34:00.000Z-ok"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z-ok"></span>OK to answer myself: </p><p><i>The transitional Coolgardie, Hampton, and Yalgoo regions are generally drier than the rest of the Southwest. They considered part of Southwest Australia by the WWF, but are considered part of the Central Australian or Eremaean Region by the Western Australian Herbarium</i> - and the historic context is that the wwf must be the only lot to get into such stuff... all locally produced attempts to compartmentalise the environmental contexts, by rainfall, vegetation type and all tended to leave out the transitional regions... city based western australians associate 'south west' as a rainfall and vegetation indicated region, many would say that it has a boundary in the wheatbelt... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z-ok" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z-ok"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z-ok"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"></span>The WWF scheme was developed over many years by some very qualified people, has a lot of research informing it</i> - er, not apparently from local perspectives, in this case... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span>This is not to disparage your work in any way, it is very important and valuable, but as you have experienced (from items on your talk page) there are points where the 'mapping' may have a few small hiccups between the reality and the lines in the map - what is pertinent in the australian scheme - is that there is room for updates/modifications - the very title of the australian regionalism mapping is <i>Interim</i> - in view of a range of issues in relation to the state of the ecologies of the regions, to offer a fixed ahistorical understanding of the western australian environment is in itself a major fallacy that will be undone over time by various changes. Not your problem, not the wwf ultimately, something that an even closer examination (not just the west oz herbarium or similar authorities in the australian context) would explicate a more complex array of circumstances that will undo such 'neat' ideas. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:29:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z"></span>Which leads to the major issue with the lead paragraph of southwest australia - not true - it is simply <i>one</i> of a number of definitions - and the lack of explanation that the wwf definition is not necessarily the same as understood currently or historically by on the ground botanists, geographers and all the rest is a major fault of the lead para - <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:29:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:29:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:29:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-30T03:23:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span>Is your question whether to include the transitional areas (Coolgardie, Yalgoo, and Hampton bioregions) in the scope of the article or exclude them altogether? I favor including them in the article's scope, with the caveat that they're transitional. The Great Western Woodlands is basically the Coolgardie bioregion, albeit with a fancier name. It corresponds to Beard's Southwest Interzone. IBRA doesn't define Southwest Australia per se, but includes Yalgoo, Coolgardie, and Hampton within of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.awe.gov.au/sites/default/files/env/pages/5b3d2d31-2355-4b60-820c-e370572b2520/files/terrestrial-ecoregions.pdf">Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub biome</a>. Definitions of the Southwest Australia Floristic Province vary as well. Many include Yalgoo and Coolgardie <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Southwest-Australian-Floristic-Region-as-defined-here-relative-to-IBRA-regions-in_fig1_357764655">[4]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/rec.12372">[5]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://theconversation.com/australias-south-west-a-hotspot-for-wildlife-and-plants-that-deserves-world-heritage-status-54885">[6]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bibbulmuntrack.org.au/media/files/jewel_of_the_australian_continent_1.pdf">[7]</a> while others exclude it <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-South-west-Floristic-Region-SWAFR-by-interim-biogeographic-regionalisation-of_fig1_304467412">[8]</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-30T03:23:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-30T03:23:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-30T03:23:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T06:01:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span>I do think that as long as there is adequate flagging that the wwf definition in itself is not reflective of what can be read online and in hard copy (not necessarily online) material as can be found at trove say - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=southwest%20australia">https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=southwest%20australia</a> - the joy of such items as south west australia and north west australia is that there are numerous 'claims to authority' that are in reality as partial as what they try to determine against. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T06:01:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T06:01:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T06:01:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-02T17:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"></span>There need to be open street map localised maps - for new article about national parks/protected areas - as the yellow large maps of the state render location and context somewhat bizarredly. If we can have osm for towns and other smaller areas in the larger state, then there should be the resource of protected areas somewhere... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-02T17:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-02T17:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-02T17:06:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-04-30T02:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd>It's beyond my technical ability, but sounds like a fine idea. You may be able to access the polygon data from the UNEP-IUCN database - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.protectedplanet.net/">https://www.protectedplanet.net/</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Speciesbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speciesbox-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speciesbox-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"></span>Speciesbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speciesbox-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Speciesbox" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-141' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T18:16:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z-Speciesbox"></span>Hi, it was probably a simple mistake at <i><a href="/wiki/Ocotea_porphyria" title="Ocotea porphyria">Ocotea porphyria</a></i>, but just to note that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Speciesbox" title="Template:Speciesbox">Speciesbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is used for species, which then uses the genus taxonomy template, so only in very, very exceptional circumstances is it necessary to construct a taxonomy template for a species. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z-Speciesbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z-Speciesbox"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z-Speciesbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the clarification. I'm not attached to the particular infobox, so feel free to replace it if you see fit. I can request a speedy delete of the corresponding taxonomy template.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T15:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T18:16:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z"></span>We generally just put unneeded taxoboxes into <a href="/wiki/Category:Unnecessary_taxonomy_templates" title="Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates">Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates</a>. They get deleted in a batch every now and then. But I see that this one was deleted very speedily. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T18:16:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T18:16:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-2022-04-28T18:16:00.000Z-Tom_Radulovich-2022-04-28T16:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="also_while_you_are_at_it" data-mw-thread-id="h-also_while_you_are_at_it-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-also_while_you_are_at_it-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"></span>also while you are at it<span data-mw-comment-end="h-also_while_you_are_at_it-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: also while you are at it" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-142' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T15:33:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avon_Wheatbelt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avon_Wheatbelt</a> - the Jarrah Forest is not south of the region either... its to the west only... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T02:21:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"></span>which bioregion do you think is south of Avon Wheatbelt?</dd> <dd>there are multiple maps and confluences of the jarrah/karri, wheatbelt, warren and other things, In the end I would hazard a guess that there might be a bioregion between the wheatbelt and the southern ocean, it could be anything, but then something as simple as 'south west' western australia is not straight forward from all the material that I have dealt with over x years, and I find the WWF designation unbelievably problematic, maybe I stay out, apart from the administrative regions... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T02:21:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T02:21:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T02:21:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-05-15T15:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-16T15:33:00.000Z-also_while_you_are_at_it"></span>Rangeland surveys (I think the maps might be older ones): - </p> <dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFPayne,_A._LWestern_Australia._Agriculture_Western_Australia1997" class="citation cs2">Payne, A. L; Western Australia. Agriculture Western Australia (1997), <i>An inventory and condition survey of the Sandstone-Yalgoo-Paynes Find area, Western Australia</i>, Dept. of Agriculture, <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7307-0008-1" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-7307-0008-1"><bdi>978-0-7307-0008-1</bdi></a></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=An+inventory+and+condition+survey+of+the+Sandstone-Yalgoo-Paynes+Find+area%2C+Western+Australia&rft.pub=Dept.+of+Agriculture&rft.date=1997&rft.isbn=978-0-7307-0008-1&rft.au=Payne%2C+A.+L&rft.au=Western+Australia.+Agriculture+Western+Australia&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ATom+Radulovich" class="Z3988"></span></dd></dl> <p>Not ecoregions per se - but the land system reports are loaded with very useful material </p><p>The ones that I really liked were: - </p> <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFPayne,_A._LSchoknecht,_N._R._(Noel_R.)Western_Australia._Dept._of_Agriculture_and_Food2011" class="citation cs2">Payne, A. L; Schoknecht, N. R. (Noel R.); Western Australia. Dept. of Agriculture and Food (2011), <i>Land systems of the Kimberley Region, Western Australia</i>, Dept. of Agriculture and Food, <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-9806315-6-2" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-9806315-6-2"><bdi>978-0-9806315-6-2</bdi></a></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Land+systems+of+the+Kimberley+Region%2C+Western+Australia&rft.pub=Dept.+of+Agriculture+and+Food&rft.date=2011&rft.isbn=978-0-9806315-6-2&rft.au=Payne%2C+A.+L&rft.au=Schoknecht%2C+N.+R.+%28Noel+R.%29&rft.au=Western+Australia.+Dept.+of+Agriculture+and+Food&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ATom+Radulovich" class="Z3988"></span></dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFGodden,_P._T._(Paul_Terence)Payne,_A._LMacDonagh,_A._F._(Alan_Francis)Western_Australia._Agriculture_Western_Australia1997" class="citation cs2">Godden, P. T. (Paul Terence); Payne, A. L; MacDonagh, A. F. (Alan Francis); Western Australia. Agriculture Western Australia; Western Australia. Dept. of Land Administration. Pastoral and Rangeland Information Services (1997), <i>Land systems of the Sandstone-Yalgoo-Paynes Find Rangeland survey : map to accompany Agriculture Western Australia Technical bulletin no. 90</i>, Agriculture Western Australia, <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7307-0008-1" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-7307-0008-1"><bdi>978-0-7307-0008-1</bdi></a></cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Land+systems+of+the+Sandstone-Yalgoo-Paynes+Find+Rangeland+survey+%3A+map+to+accompany+Agriculture+Western+Australia+Technical+bulletin+no.+90&rft.pub=Agriculture+Western+Australia&rft.date=1997&rft.isbn=978-0-7307-0008-1&rft.au=Godden%2C+P.+T.+%28Paul+Terence%29&rft.au=Payne%2C+A.+L&rft.au=MacDonagh%2C+A.+F.+%28Alan+Francis%29&rft.au=Western+Australia.+Agriculture+Western+Australia&rft.au=Western+Australia.+Dept.+of+Land+Administration.+Pastoral+and+Rangeland+Information+Services&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ATom+Radulovich" class="Z3988"></span></dd></dl> <p>Like the mines department has almost everything online as pdfs, but the land departments seem to have had their older maps scanned (national library) and no pdfs of the texts <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a 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ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-28T05:10:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2022-05-28T04:46:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-28T04:46:00.000Z-adding"></span>Please, if you really think they deserve biota=yes, its just that little bit of biota-importance=low would be very helpful, as the project a few years ago had thousands of found where the total disinterest in the simply addition, had left the project with a very big hole for assessment - so thanks for the tagging, just a small extra bit would be much appreciated... <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-2022-05-28T04:46:00.000Z-adding" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-2022-05-28T04:46:00.000Z-adding"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share 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href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20220724003400-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-24 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-24"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z-Template:_Infobox_marine_ecoregion_(coordinates?)"></span>I'm starting in on the marine ecoregions, and I'm having trouble getting the coordinates parameter to work in the template for the marine ecoregion infobox. The Coord (and coord) templates throw a punctuation error. Have you had this problem? Here's the article I'm working on: <a href="/wiki/Guianan_marine_ecoregion" title="Guianan marine ecoregion">Guianan marine ecoregion</a>. What am I doing wrong? <a href="/wiki/User:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User:Every-leaf-that-trembles">Every-leaf-that-trembles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles" title="User talk:Every-leaf-that-trembles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z-Template:_Infobox_marine_ecoregion_(coordinates?)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z-Template:_Infobox_marine_ecoregion_(coordinates?)"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z-Template:_Infobox_marine_ecoregion_(coordinates?)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20220724003400-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for taking that on; I began outlining australian marine ecoregions a few months back. You may not be doing anything wrong. I copied the template from the terrestrial ecoregions template, and modified some of the fields and colors, but may have messed it up in the copying. I'm not great with templates but will see if I can find someone more knowledgeable to have a look at it.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20220724003400-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20220724003400-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20220724003400-Every-leaf-that-trembles-2022-07-09T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks-20220807183900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks-20220807183900"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks-20220807183900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Thanks" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-145' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20220807190300-Cobblet-20220807183900">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cobblet-20220807183900-Thanks"></span>Just wanted to thank you for your continued work on Mexican biogeography. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Cobblet" title="User:Cobblet">Cobblet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cobblet" title="User talk:Cobblet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Cobblet-20220807183900-Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cobblet-20220807183900-Thanks"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share 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id="Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique-20221011150700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique-20221011150700"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique" title="Category:Lepidoptera of Mozambique">Category:Lepidoptera of Mozambique</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique-20221011150700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Category:Lepidoptera of Mozambique" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-146' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-26 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-26"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oculi-20221011150700-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique"></span>Many categories such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Moths_of_Mozambique" title="Category:Moths of Mozambique">Category:Moths of Mozambique</a> were upmerged on the grounds that moths are not restricted by country boundaries. See eg <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_November_6#Category:Moths_of_Cameroon" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 November 6">2014 November 6#Category:Moths of Cameroon</a>. Lepidoptera have similar qualities and could be regarded as recreation of deleted categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Oculi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Oculi">Oculi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oculi" title="User talk:Oculi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Oculi-20221011150700-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oculi-20221011150700-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oculi-20221011150700-Category:Lepidoptera_of_Mozambique"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(27)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Sassandra_River" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sassandra_River-20230116142200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sassandra_River-20230116142200"></span>Sassandra River<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sassandra_River-20230116142200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Sassandra River" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-147' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Essin-20230116142200-Sassandra_River">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-27 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-27"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Essin-20230116142200-Sassandra_River"></span>Hi,<br> I've been trying to find sources for the claim that the <a href="/wiki/Sassandra_River" title="Sassandra River">Sassandra River</a> is formed by the confluence of Tienba and Gouan/Bafing sud. The sources I found that were not derived from Wikipedia disagree on whether Férédougouba/Bagbé, Tienba or even Boa is the main source of Sassandra, but they all agree that the name Sassandra is used already from the confluence of these three rivers, if not further upstream. I collected them at <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Sassandra_(vattendrag)" class="extiw" title="sv:Diskussion:Sassandra (vattendrag)">sv:Diskussion:Sassandra (vattendrag)</a> -- I don't expect that you read Swedish, but Google Translate seems to do a decent job and the sources are in English or French. Now, I can't claim that it's an exhaustive search, especially not of printed materials, so I wonder if you might remember what sources you used when you wrote the article in 2006. It's long ago, so I understand if you don't. </p><p>Thank you in advance, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Essin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Essin (page does not exist)">Essin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Essin" title="User talk:Essin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Essin-20230116142200-Sassandra_River" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Essin-20230116142200-Sassandra_River"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a 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class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-148' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230611032000-Abductive-20230610064400">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-28 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-28"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-20230609060700-Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin"></span>I don't think we're supposed to use <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin (page does not exist)">Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin</a> as it's not in the <a href="/wiki/World_Geographical_Scheme_for_Recording_Plant_Distributions" title="World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions">World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions</a>. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-20230609060700-Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-20230609060700-Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin"><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-20230609060700-Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400-Abductive-20230609060700"></span>I think this is a more defensible category than some non-WGSRPD ones. On my bookshelf, I have three identification guides covering the Mediterranean flora, most notably <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFBlameyGrey-Wilson1993" class="citation cs2">Blamey, Marjorie & Grey-Wilson, Christopher (1993), <i>Mediterranean Wild Flowers</i>, HarperCollins</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Mediterranean+Wild+Flowers&rft.pub=HarperCollins&rft.date=1993&rft.aulast=Blamey&rft.aufirst=Marjorie&rft.au=Grey-Wilson%2C+Christopher&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3ATom+Radulovich" class="Z3988"></span>. So there definitely is a concept of "flora of the Mediterranean basin". The problem is that it doesn't fit into the WGSRPD hierarchy, as it's includes parts of three of the eight botanical continents. (There's also the issue that Portugal may or may not be included, depending on whether the Iberian peninsula as a whole is considered as bordering the Mediterranean.) As long as the appropriate WGSRPD categories are also included, I tend to think it's probably ok. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400-Abductive-20230609060700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400-Abductive-20230609060700"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400-Abductive-20230609060700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-20230609180300-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400"></span>To be useful it would need to be applied to ~5,000 articles. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-20230609180300-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-20230609180300-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-20230609180300-Peter_coxhead-20230609082400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700-Abductive-20230609060700"></span>I agree (obviously) with Peter. The WGSRPD 'botanical countries', with a few exceptions, use national or state boundaries. Nation-states, with the exception of some island countries, aren't biogeographic regions. Categories that use recognized biogeographic boundaries can be useful alongside the WGSRPD boundaries as a tool for understanding plant distributions, centers of endemism, conservation, and so on. It doesn't create any confusion, and I can't see any harm in using them too. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700-Abductive-20230609060700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700-Abductive-20230609060700"><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700-Abductive-20230609060700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700"></span>But <a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive">Abductive</a>'s comment applies: if it's not used consistently, then it's not really useful. There are many more articles that should be in this category. This is a problem with non-WGSRPD categories; they tend to be used by relatively few editors, leading to inconsistency.</dd> <dd>Also the subcategories of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Flora_of_the_Mediterranean_Basin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin (page does not exist)">Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin</a> should include many more categories; basically all the WGSRPD units surrounding the Mediterranean. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700"><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300-Tom_Radulovich-20230609182700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-20230610064400-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300"></span>Perhaps someone could make a list article? If it was confined to truly endemic Mediterranean flora it might be a start on the way to applying the category to a large number of articles. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-20230610064400-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-20230610064400-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300"><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-20230610064400-Peter_coxhead-20230610064300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100-Abductive-20230610064400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive">Abductive</a>:</span> I'm not aware of a source for "truly endemic Mediterranean flora", which would be needed for such a list to be created. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ww2.bgbm.org/mcl/home.asp">Med-Checklist</a> database doesn't include monocots, is relatively old, and can't as far as I can see be searched for endemics. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100-Abductive-20230610064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100-Abductive-20230610064400"><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100-Abductive-20230610064400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abductive-20230610164800-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100"></span>And the book you mentioned above? As for endemism, I think some of Wikipedia's existing "Flora of ..." articles make an effort to list only endemics or near endemics. My suspicion is that readers want it that way. <span style="font-family: Cambria;"> <a href="/wiki/User:Abductive" title="User:Abductive"><span style="color: teal;"><b>Abductive</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">reasoning</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Abductive-20230610164800-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abductive-20230610164800-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100"><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abductive-20230610164800-Peter_coxhead-20230610151100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230611032000-Abductive-20230610064400"></span>Note that it's not Endemic flora of the Mediterranean Basin, but I agree that it's most useful for plants which are widely distributed around the Mediterranean region, but not widespread outside the Mediterranean region. If a Mediterranean plant has a much narrower range - it's endemic to Crete, for example - then the more specific category should be used instead.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230611032000-Abductive-20230610064400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230611032000-Abductive-20230610064400"><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-29 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-29"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800-Dates_with_botanical_authorities"></span>As per the examples at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Template" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template">Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template</a> and at <a href="/wiki/Template:Taxobox/doc" title="Template:Taxobox/doc">Template:Taxobox/doc</a>, dates are not used with authorities in plant articles (except in special cases, e.g. when there are issues over priority). <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800-Dates_with_botanical_authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 11 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800-Dates_with_botanical_authorities"><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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The dates are relevant, objective, and reliably sourced. Many editors have already included them in many plant articles. Other plant databases, including the ones used as references here, consistently include them. Wikipedia articles about animals do too.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Prohibiting them from the taxobox would mean re-listing the synonyms again somewhere in the article and including the dates. That might make sense if annotating with dates made the taxobox too clunky, but it's only six characters.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>One could make an argument about consistency with many existing articles. However most of WP's articles on plants are rather poor, and missing lots of relevant information and citations that would make them good articles. I hope we can all work together to include more relevant, factual, and reliably-sourced information, not remove appropriate content from articles which are mostly pretty scant at present. Let's not move Wikipedia's plant articles towards the lowest common denominator, but rather try to put them on par with the better resources on plants out there. Perhaps the consistency question is better one of how to format the dates; I have been using parentheses, following Plants of the World Online, and using small text consistent with that for the authority. I'm happy to discuss how to best format the relevant information, but disagree that deleting this information is doing anything to improve Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230923232700-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230923232700-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800"><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230923232700-Peter_coxhead-20230611183800"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(30)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Invitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation-20230721075100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation-20230721075100"></span>Invitation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation-20230721075100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Invitation" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-150' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-30 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-30"> <div style="border:2px solid #90C0FF; background:#F0F0FF; width:99%; padding:4px"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/175px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="175" height="175" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 175px;height: 175px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/175px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" data-width="175" data-height="175" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/263px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/350px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello Tom Radulovich! </p> <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">New Pages Patrol</a> is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help.</li> <li>We think that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Guidelines_for_granting" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers">guidelines for granting</a>.</li> <li>Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines.</li> <li>Kindly read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">the tutorial</a> before making your decision, and feel free to post on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NPPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NPPR">project talk page</a> with questions.</li> <li>If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/NPP"><b>applying here</b></a>.</li></ul> <p>Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! </p> </div> <p>Sent by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a></span> using <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(31)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Rungwe_dwarf_galago" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rungwe_dwarf_galago-20230809182300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rungwe_dwarf_galago-20230809182300"></span><a href="/wiki/Rungwe_dwarf_galago" title="Rungwe dwarf galago">Rungwe dwarf galago‎</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rungwe_dwarf_galago-20230809182300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Rungwe dwarf galago‎" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-151' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-UtherSRG-20230809182300-Rungwe_dwarf_galago">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-31 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-31"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20230809182300-Rungwe_dwarf_galago"></span>At least for mammals, we try not to have species articles if they aren't accepted by the secondary sources, such as IUCN or the ASM MDD. The 2014 journal article announcing it should be a species hasn't been followed up; it's still undescribed and has not appeared in other sources. This should remain a redirect until such time as the status changes. I'd commented out its info in the relevant template and in the genus article. - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG" title="User talk:UtherSRG">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-UtherSRG-20230809182300-Rungwe_dwarf_galago" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20230809182300-Rungwe_dwarf_galago"><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20230809182300-Rungwe_dwarf_galago"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(32)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities" data-mw-thread-id="h-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities-20230925061500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities-20230925061500"></span>Publication dates with botanical authorities<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities-20230925061500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Publication dates with botanical authorities" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-152' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Peter_coxhead-20230926182800-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-32 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-32"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities"></span>Hi, if you think we should include publication dates with botanical authorities, please raise this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:PLANTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:PLANTS">WT:PLANTS</a> and seek a revised consensus. At present, the consensus is that, with the possible exception of paleobotany, we do not use dates, as per the <a href="/wiki/ICNafp" class="mw-redirect" title="ICNafp">ICNafp</a>. See e.g. <a href="/wiki/Template:Taxobox/doc#Authorities" title="Template:Taxobox/doc">Template:Taxobox/doc#Authorities</a> and the example taxoboxes higher up in this documentation. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities"><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500-Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500"></span>See my response above <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500"><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925061500"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230926182800-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100"></span>There's no reason that I can see that a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia should list the dates of publication of any of the synonyms in the text if they are not in the taxobox, as you suggest above, unless they are needed in a discussion about priority, conservation of names, etc.</dd> <dd>The argument against putting the dates in taxoboxes is consistency and following the agreed consensus. By all means raise the issue at WT:PLANTS to see whether this is still the consensus, but until the consensus changes, please follow it. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230926182800-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230926182800-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100"><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230926182800-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(33)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces-20230925153300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces-20230925153300"></span>Category:Endemic flora of the Cape Provinces<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces-20230925153300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Category:Endemic flora of the Cape Provinces" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-153' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-33 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-33"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces"></span>I commend the changes you've made to make better use of this category. It really shows the importance of the Cape Provices to floral diversity. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces"><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300-Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_Cape_Provinces"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300"></span>Thanks. It seems like a particlularly useful category since it contains the entire Cape floristic province/kingdom. You are are of course welcome to join the project – POWO wouldn't complete my search query since there more than 10,000 plants endemic to the Cape Provinces, so it will take some time to find and categorize them here. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20230925161100-Peter_coxhead-20230925153300"><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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id="h-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera-20230926190800"></span>Distribution categories and monotypic genera<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera-20230926190800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Distribution categories and monotypic genera" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-154' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Peter_coxhead-20230926190800-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-34 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-34"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230926190800-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#Distribution_categorization_of_monotypic_genera_and_species_redirects" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants#Distribution categorization of monotypic genera and species redirects</a>, where I've opened a discussion on how to handle such categorization. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20230926190800-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20230926190800-Distribution_categories_and_monotypic_genera"><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span 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cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-155' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-UtherSRG-20231010170700-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-35 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-35"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20231009155400-Page_moves"></span>I think you should request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PMR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PMR">WP:PMR</a>. I would support you in the request. - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG" title="User talk:UtherSRG">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-UtherSRG-20231009155400-Page_moves" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20231009155400-Page_moves"><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20231009155400-Page_moves"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700-UtherSRG-20231009155400"></span>Thanks – I will look into it. Is it an area where more help is needed? <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700-UtherSRG-20231009155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700-UtherSRG-20231009155400"><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700-UtherSRG-20231009155400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UtherSRG-20231010170700-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700"></span>Any amount of special permission work helps reduce the effort admins have to supply. - <a href="/wiki/User:UtherSRG" title="User:UtherSRG">UtherSRG</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG" title="User talk:UtherSRG">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-UtherSRG-20231010170700-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UtherSRG-20231010170700-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700"><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UtherSRG-20231010170700-Tom_Radulovich-20231010165700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(36)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Page_mover_granted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_mover_granted-20231018220100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_mover_granted-20231018220100"></span>Page mover granted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_mover_granted-20231018220100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Page mover granted" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-156' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-HJ_Mitchell-20231018220100-Page_mover_granted">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-36 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-36"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20231018220100-Page_mover_granted"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_page_mover.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/80px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="80" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 80px;height: 80px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/80px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png" data-width="80" data-height="80" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/120px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Wikipedia_page_mover.svg/160px-Wikipedia_page_mover.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello, Tom Radulovich. Your account has been <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ATom_Radulovich">granted</a></span> the "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r886049734"><span class="monospaced">extendedmover</span>" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page" title="Wikipedia:Moving a page">moving pages</a>. 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I think that it is useful information that ought to be in Wikipedia's plant articles. <a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">🌿MtBotany</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBotany" title="User talk:MtBotany">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-MtBotany-20231205175100-Support_for_publication_dates_in_plant_taxoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MtBotany-20231205175100-Support_for_publication_dates_in_plant_taxoboxes"><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MtBotany-20231205175100-Support_for_publication_dates_in_plant_taxoboxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000-MtBotany-20231205175100"></span>Thanks! I haven't prioritized opening the discussion, but will let you know when I do. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000-MtBotany-20231205175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000-MtBotany-20231205175100"><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000-MtBotany-20231205175100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MtBotany-20231208182900-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000"></span>Not a problem, I too have not made this a top priority. My perception is I only want to take on so many questions of changes at one time and finish what I am working on before I start a new one. One of us will get to it in good time. <a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">🌿MtBotany</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBotany" title="User talk:MtBotany">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-MtBotany-20231208182900-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MtBotany-20231208182900-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000"><span id="ooui-php-91" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MtBotany-20231208182900-Tom_Radulovich-20231208045000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(39)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Altitude_vs._elevation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Altitude_vs._elevation-20231208111500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Altitude_vs._elevation-20231208111500"></span>Altitude vs. elevation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Altitude_vs._elevation-20231208111500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Altitude vs. elevation" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-159' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208152300-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-39 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-39"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500-Altitude_vs._elevation"></span>I guess it must be some British vs. American English thing, but describing the habitat of a plant using the word "altitude" is absolutely standard in British English. See for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://powo.science.kew.org/results?q=altitude">the entries in Plants of the World Online</a>. See also the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/altitude">entry in the Cambridge Dictionary</a>. So I'm not sure that you are always justified in changing from "altitude" to "elevation". <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500-Altitude_vs._elevation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500-Altitude_vs._elevation"><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500-Altitude_vs._elevation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208152300-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500"></span>Wikipedia says "The term <a href="/wiki/Elevation" title="Elevation">elevation</a> is mainly used when referring to points on the Earth's surface, while altitude or geopotential height is used for points above the surface, such as an aircraft in flight or a spacecraft in orbit, and depth is used for points below the surface." I understand the terms in this way, but I am well aware that many use the terms interchangably. I wouldn't claim that using altitude for points on the earth's surface is wrong, but that elevation is the better term. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208152300-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208152300-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500"><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20231208152300-Peter_coxhead-20231208111500"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(40)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Welcome_to_the_drive!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"><span id="Welcome_to_the_drive.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"></span>Welcome to the drive!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Welcome_to_the_drive!"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Welcome to the drive!" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-160' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span></div><section class="mf-section-40 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-40"> <p>Welcome, welcome, welcome Tom Radulovich! I'm glad that you are joining the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/February_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/February 2024"> drive</a>! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. </p> <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;margin:1em;"><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Special:RandomInCategory/All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Special:RandomInCategory/All articles lacking sources"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive">Fix a random page lacking sources</span></a></span></div><p><a href="/wiki/User:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User:CactiStaccingCrane">CactiStaccingCrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CactiStaccingCrane" title="User talk:CactiStaccingCrane">talk</a>)18:56, 1 February 2024 <a href="/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time" title="Coordinated Universal Time">UTC</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:85%;">[<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=purge">refresh</a>]</span><span style="font-size:85%;">via JWB and <a href="/wiki/User:Geardona" title="User:Geardona">Geardona</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geardona" title="User talk:Geardona">talk to me?</a>)</span> </p></section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(41)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award" data-mw-thread-id="h-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award-20240308180300"><span id="February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_.E2.80.93_award"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award-20240308180300"></span>February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award-20240308180300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-161' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-DreamRimmer-20240308180300-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-41 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-41"> <table style="border: 1px solid grey; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308180300-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Citation_badge_3.svg" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Citation_badge_3.svg/100px-Citation_badge_3.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="116" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="965" data-file-height="1115"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 100px;height: 116px;" data-mw-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Citation_badge_3.svg/100px-Citation_badge_3.svg.png" data-width="100" data-height="116" data-mw-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Citation_badge_3.svg/150px-Citation_badge_3.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Citation_badge_3.svg/200px-Citation_badge_3.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"> <p><b>Citation Barnstar</b> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray; width:100%;">This award is given in recognition to Tom Radulovich for collecting 10 points during the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles">WikiProject Unreferenced articles</a>'s <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FEB24" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FEB24">FEB24</a> backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-DreamRimmer-20240308180300-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_%E2%80%93_award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240308180300-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award"><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240308180300-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_–_award"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(42)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Justicia_genistiformis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Justicia_genistiformis-20240309083900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Justicia_genistiformis-20240309083900"></span>Justicia genistiformis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Justicia_genistiformis-20240309083900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Justicia genistiformis" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-162' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240309163700-Elmidae-20240309162800">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-42 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-42"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elmidae-20240309083900-Justicia_genistiformis"></span>Hi there - it seems there is something more to this taxon. There is a taxon <i>Tyloglossa genistiformis</i> Nees (<i><a href="/wiki/Tyloglossa" class="mw-redirect" title="Tyloglossa">Tyloglossa</a></i> being a synonym for <i>Justicia</i>) that is currently <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.worldfloraonline.org/taxon/wfo-0000410442">under review</a>. Also, this rather mysterious record <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000529173">[9]</a>. I don't quite know how to interpret these, but it seems to me that the situation is more complex than "taxon does not exist", and I would suggest removing the PROD and perhaps booting it over to WikiProject Plants for an opinion. Cheers --<span style="font-family:Courier"><a href="/wiki/User:Elmidae" title="User:Elmidae">Elmidae</a></span> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elmidae" title="User talk:Elmidae">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elmidae" title="Special:Contributions/Elmidae">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Elmidae-20240309083900-Justicia_genistiformis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elmidae-20240309083900-Justicia_genistiformis"><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elmidae-20240309083900-Justicia_genistiformis"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lavateraguy-20240309113500-Elmidae-20240309083900"></span>I've confirmed to my satisfaction that it is <i>Tyloglossa genistiformis</i> Nees. It's covered in a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.teses.usp.br/teses/disponiveis/41/41132/tde-09032016-141812/publico/Rodolph_Sartin.pdf">2015 masters thesis</a> by Rodolph Delfino Sartin. That states that the new combination <i>Justicia genistiformis</i> (Nees) Sartin & Kameyama was to be published in a forthcoming paper, but I don't find any evidence that the paper forthcame. Kew Herbarium seem to have jumped the gun on labelling their specimen - I might have referred to this as "Justicia" genistiformis. You can also find the species placed in <i>Ecbolium</i> and <i>Adhatoda</i> - I'm not sure about <i>Rhytiglossa genistifolia</i> per that Kew Herbarium sheet.</dd> <dd>On the rule of thumb that the most reliable source is a recent monograph this is a valid species, but perhaps not a valid name. <a href="/wiki/User:Lavateraguy" title="User:Lavateraguy">Lavateraguy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lavateraguy" title="User talk:Lavateraguy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Lavateraguy-20240309113500-Elmidae-20240309083900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lavateraguy-20240309113500-Elmidae-20240309083900"><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lavateraguy-20240309113500-Elmidae-20240309083900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elmidae-20240309162800-Lavateraguy-20240309113500"></span>I've deprodded for now. Let's continue at the article talk page? --<span style="font-family:Courier"><a href="/wiki/User:Elmidae" title="User:Elmidae">Elmidae</a></span> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elmidae" title="User talk:Elmidae">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elmidae" title="Special:Contributions/Elmidae">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Elmidae-20240309162800-Lavateraguy-20240309113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elmidae-20240309162800-Lavateraguy-20240309113500"><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elmidae-20240309162800-Lavateraguy-20240309113500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240309163700-Elmidae-20240309162800"></span>Thank you, that's a good suggestion. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240309163700-Elmidae-20240309162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240309163700-Elmidae-20240309162800"><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240402164700-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500">10 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-43 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-43"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500-Meaning_of_"endemic"'></span>In my experience of the use of the term "endemic", a taxon found widely in Northern America would not be said to be endemic. Could a taxon be said to be endemic to Eurasia? The notion of a restricted range seems a core part of the definition. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500-Meaning_of_%22endemic%22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500-Meaning_of_"endemic"'><span id="ooui-php-99" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500-Meaning_of_"endemic"'></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240402164700-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500"></span>Restricted to a continent or a biogeographic realm is still a restricted range; it's not unusual to refer to Australian endemics, for example. It is useful to know if a genus, family, etc. is restricted to a single continent or biogeographic region, since endemism at the genus or family level is an important criterion for defining those larger biogeographic regions. I understand the reasoning behind not placing genera and larger taxa in multiple geographic categories, as that might imply that the included species are present throughout each of them.<a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240402164700-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240402164700-Peter_coxhead-20240402161500"><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240427144400-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300">9 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-44 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-44"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300-Linnaea"></span>As <i><a href="/wiki/Linnaea" title="Linnaea">Linnaea</a></i> is back to a monotypic genus, I suppose <i><a href="/wiki/Linnaea_borealis" class="mw-redirect" title="Linnaea borealis">Linnaea borealis</a></i> should be merged in with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300-Linnaea" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300-Linnaea"><span id="ooui-php-101" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive 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I first wanted to get all the other genera and species sorted into their accepted names. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240427144400-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240427144400-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300"><span id="ooui-php-102" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240427144400-Peter_coxhead-20240427104300"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(45)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Dates_in_plant_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dates_in_plant_names-20240531003300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dates_in_plant_names-20240531003300"></span>Dates in plant names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dates_in_plant_names-20240531003300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Dates in plant names" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-165' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sminthopsis84-20240601081800-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200">8 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-45 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-45"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300-Dates_in_plant_names"></span>Hello, I've been absent from wikipedia for a while and am surprised to see you adding dates to plant names in a style I associated with the Code of Zoological Nomenclature. Can you tell me if that is the norm in wikipedia now? Best wishes, <a href="/wiki/User:Sminthopsis84" title="User:Sminthopsis84">Sminthopsis84</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sminthopsis84" title="User talk:Sminthopsis84">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300-Dates_in_plant_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300-Dates_in_plant_names"><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300-Dates_in_plant_names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102200-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"></span>No, it's not the norm. There's been no agreement to change the guidance/examples at <a href="/wiki/Template:Taxobox/doc#Authorities" title="Template:Taxobox/doc">Template:Taxobox/doc#Authorities</a>. I'm certainly not the only editor that removes dates when present in the authorities for ICNafp names. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102200-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102200-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102200-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"></span>See also the examples at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Template#Infobox" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template">Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template#Infobox</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900-Sminthopsis84-20240531003300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900"></span>Most editors don't add the dates, and some seem to object to their presence in taxoboxes. I find them useful information which completes the taxonomic story, so I follow the convention used by Plants of the World Online and World Flora Online (dates in parentheses). For editors that do include dates in articles on plants, parentheses after the authority is the most common style. Articles on animals most often use a comma rather than parentheses. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900"><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000-Peter_coxhead-20240531102900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601064700-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"></span>Tom, dates after authorities is <em>not</em> the style in PoWO or WFO. The date is part of the reference to the protologue. As an example, just because I was looking at it, <i>Coelogyne breviscapa</i> in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:623788-1">PoWO</a> doesn't have "Lindl. (1854)". Look also at the list of synonyms in this entry. The first synonym is clearly "<i>Coelogyne angustifolia</i> Wight" – this is the linked term; no date. Then afterwards comes a reference to the protologue: "Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 5: t. 1641 (1851), nom. illeg." The date is part of the protologue reference, not the authority. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wfoplantlist.org/taxon/wfo-0000906992-2023-12">WFO entry</a> is just the same. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240601064700-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601064700-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601064700-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"></span>See also the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://tropicos.org/name/50021529">Tropicos entry</a>, for a different plant taxonomic database. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_coxhead" title="User talk:Peter coxhead">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200-Tom_Radulovich-20240531145000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sminthopsis84-20240601081800-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200"></span>One of the problems with adding dates to a flexible database like wikipedia is that publication dates are a day, not a year, and can be difficult to track without considerable investigation. See, e.g., proposal 040 for the upcoming nomenclature sessions at XX International Botanical Congress in Madrid in July which proposes that when a publication lists a date range, that the last day of that range be taken as the actual publication date for sorting out questions of priority. If it is difficult to be authoritative here then it's best avoided, but more importantly wikipedia should follow the established codes of nomenclature, not set a new path. <a href="/wiki/User:Sminthopsis84" title="User:Sminthopsis84">Sminthopsis84</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sminthopsis84" title="User talk:Sminthopsis84">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Sminthopsis84-20240601081800-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sminthopsis84-20240601081800-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200"><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sminthopsis84-20240601081800-Peter_coxhead-20240601065200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(46)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="talk_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-talk_pages-20240818140400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-talk_pages-20240818140400"></span>talk pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-talk_pages-20240818140400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: talk pages" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-166' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JarrahTree-20240818140400-talk_pages">6 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-46 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-46"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JarrahTree-20240818140400-talk_pages"></span>It would be great if you could see the advantage of Rater as a talk page device </p><p>or otherwise see fit to add the frame - otherwise there is a horrible lot of red messages </p><p>Trust all is well, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:JarrahTree" title="User:JarrahTree">JarrahTree</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-JarrahTree-20240818140400-talk_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JarrahTree-20240818140400-talk_pages"><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JarrahTree-20240818140400-talk_pages"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(47)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Pseudopanax_arboreus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pseudopanax_arboreus-20241004024300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pseudopanax_arboreus-20241004024300"></span>Pseudopanax arboreus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pseudopanax_arboreus-20241004024300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Pseudopanax arboreus" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-167' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004185200-Prosperosity-20241004024300">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-47 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-47"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prosperosity-20241004024300-Pseudopanax_arboreus"></span>Hi there, back in 2023 you moved the page <i><a href="/wiki/Pseudopanax_arboreus" title="Pseudopanax arboreus">Pseudopanax arboreus</a></i> to <i><a href="/wiki/Neopanax_arboreus" class="mw-redirect" title="Neopanax arboreus">Neopanax arboreus</a></i>. I've moved it back based on what I can tell is currently the preferred name, but I'd love to understand if I've missed something. --<a href="/wiki/User:Prosperosity" title="User:Prosperosity">Prosperosity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prosperosity" title="User talk:Prosperosity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Prosperosity-20241004024300-Pseudopanax_arboreus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prosperosity-20241004024300-Pseudopanax_arboreus"><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prosperosity-20241004024300-Pseudopanax_arboreus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500-Prosperosity-20241004024300"></span>The Plants Wikiproject has been using <a href="/wiki/Plants_of_the_World_Online" title="Plants of the World Online">Plants of the World Online</a> as the definitive reference for accepted species names. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500-Prosperosity-20241004024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500-Prosperosity-20241004024300"><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500-Prosperosity-20241004024300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Prosperosity-20241004044700-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500"></span>Oh, that's interesting. Is there a reason why this reference is considered definitive? There seems to be an overwhelming consensus for <i>Pseudopanax arboreus</i> outside of this database and GBIF, especially among New Zealand sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Prosperosity" title="User:Prosperosity">Prosperosity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prosperosity" title="User talk:Prosperosity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Prosperosity-20241004044700-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Prosperosity-20241004044700-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500"><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Prosperosity-20241004044700-Tom_Radulovich-20241004030500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004185200-Prosperosity-20241004024300"></span>POWO is build on the same IPNI/World Checklist of Vascular Plants database used by World Flora Online and GBIF. POWO is typically updated with current taxonomic articles more frequently than WFO or GBIF, but they generally follow suit. POWO, WFO, and GBIF all accept <i>Neopanax arboreus</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Tom_Radulovich" title="User:Tom Radulovich">Tom Radulovich</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004185200-Prosperosity-20241004024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tom_Radulovich-20241004185200-Prosperosity-20241004024300"><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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.tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="background-color: white; border: 2pm solid green;"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td><td class="mbox-text">Hello Tom Radulovich! I would like to invite you to join the <b>WikiProject Plants Stub-to-Start Drive</b> where we focus efforts on upgrading Stub-class plant <i>species</i> articles to Start-class. The instructions are straightforward and located on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Stub_to_Start_drive" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Stub to Start drive">page for the drive</a>. If you wish to participate, you can join on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Stub_to_Start_drive/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Stub to Start drive/Participants">sign-up page</a>, or feel free to ask for assistance on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants/Stub_to_Start_drive" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants/Stub to Start drive">talk page</a> any time. Thank you for your contributions and for your interest in plant articles on Wikipedia! – <a href="/wiki/User:Eewilson" title="User:Eewilson">Elizabeth (Eewilson)</a> <small>(tag or ping me) (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eewilson" title="User talk:Eewilson">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Eewilson-20241014003800-Invitation_to_join_the_WikiProject_Plants_Stub-to-Start_Drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eewilson-20241014003800-Invitation_to_join_the_WikiProject_Plants_Stub-to-Start_Drive"><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eewilson-20241014003800-Invitation_to_join_the_WikiProject_Plants_Stub-to-Start_Drive"></span></td></tr></tbody></table> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(49)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again-20241111043700"><span id="Dates_with_botanical_authorities_.E2.80.93_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again-20241111043700"></span>Dates with botanical authorities – again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again-20241111043700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom_Radulovich&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Dates with botanical authorities – again" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-169' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Eewilson-20241111044700-Eewilson-20241111043700">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-49 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-49"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eewilson-20241111043700-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again"></span>Hello. I see that @<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_coxhead" title="User:Peter coxhead">Peter coxhead</a> has brought up your insistence on placing dates within botanical authorities three times: <a href="#Dates_with_botanical_authorities">#Dates with botanical authorities</a> on 11 June 2023, <a href="#Publication_dates_with_botanical_authorities">#Publication dates with botanical authorities</a> on 25 September 2023, and, as well as with @<a href="/wiki/User:Sminthopsis84" title="User:Sminthopsis84">Sminthopsis84</a> on 30 May 2024, at <a href="#Dates_in_plant_names">#Dates in plant names</a>. On 5 December 2023, at <a href="#Support_for_publication_dates_in_plant_taxoboxes">#Support for publication dates in plant taxoboxes</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:MtBotany" title="User:MtBotany">MtBotany</a> made a comment agreeing with your view. Bottom line is that although your viewpoint is allowed, it does not mean that your current continued practice of placing dates in botanical authorities is not only against current consensus but is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive</a>. As has been mentioned to you, bring this up at the WikiProject Plants page, and stop making these edits. Some editors have more patience than I do. Consistently having to change what you have done based on your own viewpoint is time consuming to others, and what you are continuing to do is to exhibit, as defined at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">Wikipedia:Disruptive editing</a>, "...a pattern of editing that disrupts progress toward improving an article or building the encyclopedia... [which has] extended over a long time on many articles." You are still doing this, and most recently, in many, including <i><a href="/wiki/Woodwardia_radicans" title="Woodwardia radicans">Woodwardia radicans</a></i>, and in <i><a href="/wiki/Kenopleurum" title="Kenopleurum">Kenopleurum</a></i> and <i><a href="/wiki/Siculosciadium" title="Siculosciadium">Siculosciadium</a></i> which you created today. Please stop. – <a href="/wiki/User:Eewilson" title="User:Eewilson">Elizabeth (Eewilson)</a> <small>(tag or ping me) (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eewilson" title="User talk:Eewilson">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tom_Radulovich#c-Eewilson-20241111043700-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_%E2%80%93_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eewilson-20241111043700-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again"><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eewilson-20241111043700-Dates_with_botanical_authorities_–_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eewilson-20241111044700-Eewilson-20241111043700"></span>Note to those reading: If you view the latest version of any articles linked above and do not see the dates that Tom has added, they may have been removed. 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