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02">Archive 02 | January 16, 2012 > September 3, 2012</a></font><br/> <font color="Grey"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orrling/archive_03" title="User talk:Orrling/archive 03">Archive 03 | September 3, 2012 > October 12, 2013</a></font><br/> <font color="Grey"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orrling/archive_04" title="User talk:Orrling/archive 04">Archive 04 | October 12, 2013 > February 2, 2013</a></font><br/> </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Diaspora_and_emigration"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Diaspora and emigration</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#'disputed_territories'"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">'disputed territories'</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command""><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">"This is not a nomination this is a deletion command"</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Categories"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Categories</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Commons:File_renaming"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Commons:File renaming</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#File:Forest4.jpg"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">File:Forest4.jpg‎</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#File:Animals.jpg"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">File:Animals.jpg</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Category:White_people_of_Africa"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Category:White_people_of_Africa</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Category:White_people_of_Kenya"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Category:White_people_of_Kenya</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Category:White_people_of_South_Africa"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">Category:White_people_of_South_Africa</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Category:White_people_of_Zambia"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Category:White_people_of_Zambia</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Category:Sex_in_humans"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Sex_in_humans</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Are_you_there?"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">Are you there?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Category:Hands_of_politicians"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">Category:Hands_of_politicians</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#FYI"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">FYI</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Abuse of Filemove tool again</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country" title="Category:Stencil graffiti by country">Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" style="border:2px solid #D6D0B4; background-color:#FFEAC8;" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <tbody><tr> <td><span 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We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/01/Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/01/Category:Stencil graffiti by country">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. 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href="/wiki/User_talk:JotaCartas" title="User talk:JotaCartas"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-JotaCartas-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JotaCartas-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JotaCartas-2014-01-24T01:04:00.000Z-Category:Stencil_graffiti_by_country"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diaspora_and_emigration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diaspora_and_emigration-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diaspora_and_emigration-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Diaspora and emigration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diaspora_and_emigration-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z-Diaspora_and_emigration"></span>Hiya. I was intrigued by <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Italian_diaspora&diff=prev&oldid=114990739">these</a> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Irish_diaspora&oldid=114992566&diff=prev">few</a> edits (one appeared as a reversion notice in my notifications bar). I am all for consistency, but would we not think that (for example) the diaspora categories should in some way be related to the emigration categories? (Diaspora of X are diaspora of X because they or their forebears emigrated from X. Perhaps there should be intermediate categories to more loosely associate the diaspora with the emigrants, but I'm not sure disassociating them entirely is the right path. Not if "consistency" is the only goal/issue.) Are you in the middle of a broader review of those categories? In which you are already planning to "re-associate" them in a different manner? If not, I'm inclined to suggest that we find some way of re-associating them. <a href="/wiki/User:Guliolopez" title="User:Guliolopez">Guliolopez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Guliolopez" title="User talk:Guliolopez"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z-Diaspora_and_emigration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 28 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z-Diaspora_and_emigration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z-Diaspora_and_emigration"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-01-28T22:27:00.000Z-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"></span>Hi. Working on it ;) <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-01-28T22:27:00.000Z-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 28 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-01-28T22:27:00.000Z-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-01-28T22:27:00.000Z-Guliolopez-2014-01-28T17:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="'disputed_territories'" data-mw-thread-id="h-'disputed_territories'-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"><span id=".27disputed_territories.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-'disputed_territories'-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"></span>'disputed territories'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-'disputed_territories'-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"></span>Please provide a reason not to revert your changes from the neutral <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements (page does not exist)">Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements</a> to the non-neutral <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_disputed_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories">Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories</a>. The term 'disputed territories' is only used by the Israeli government and pro-Israel advocacy groups such as CAMERA, NGO Monitor etc. Are you aware of that ? <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_occupied_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories">Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories</a> would also be neutral given that 'occupied territories' is standard/common term, but <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_disputed_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories">Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories</a> is without doubt non-neutral. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sean.hoyland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sean.hoyland (page does not exist)">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"></span>Hi. As you are certainly aware, you can't use a general term like "Israeli settlements" for a category dealing with specifically the settlements in the occupied areas because "Israeli settlements" (the category you attempted to create, which was soon reverted) hints at "Settlements in Israel" i.e any <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_municipalities_of_Israel" title="Category:Maps of municipalities of Israel">municipality of Israel</a>. This ambiguousity is declined and is in any case settled by the title "<a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_disputed_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories">Maps showing Israeli settlements in disputed territories</a>". However, if you reject the term "disputed" you can move it to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_occupied_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories">Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories</a>, which is as good as far as I'm concerned. Still, when renaming the cat you'll have to migrate <i>all</i> the parents from the original page to the destination, and not only one of them ;) otherwise the new category will be seen as miscreated. Thanks. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T09:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z"></span>I understand but my categorization was no accident. 'Settlements in Israel' and '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements" class="extiw" title="w:Israeli settlements">w:Israeli settlements</a>' are mutually exclusive sets. A defining feature of '<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements" class="extiw" title="w:Israeli settlements">w:Israeli settlements</a>' is that they are beyond the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)" class="extiw" title="w:Green Line (Israel)">Green Line</a>, outside Israel. There are no 'Israeli settlements' in Israel, by definition. Several things follow from this fact/unfortunate terminology, one of which is that the categorization of settlements is in a pretty poor state and needs cleaning up. For example, <a href="/wiki/Category:Settlements_in_Israel" title="Category:Settlements in Israel">Category:Settlements in Israel</a> includes <a href="/wiki/Category:Populated_places_on_the_Golan_Heights" title="Category:Populated places on the Golan Heights">Category:Populated places on the Golan Heights</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Community_settlements_in_Judea_and_Samaria_District" title="Category:Community settlements in Judea and Samaria District">Category:Community settlements in Judea and Samaria District</a> among others that refer to Israeli settlements beyond the Green Line miscategorized as being in Israel. Regarding Israel's municipalities, they extend into the occupied territories, so settlements in 'any municipality of Israel' does not equate to 'settlements in Israel'. Another example, 'Settlements in Israel' in not a valid parent category for 'Maps of municipalities of Israel' if 'Maps showing Israeli settlements' (with or with occupied or disputed in the name) is included as a subcategory. I could go on...</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Regarding the name 'Maps showing Israeli settlements' rather than 'Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories', it was deliberate choice. There is no real need to say that they are in occupied territories. They are all in the Israeli occupied territories and the parent category included that term. This was partly to avoid the usual needless nationalist tug of war over language I'm all too familiar with in Wikipedia.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Regarding "when renaming the cat you'll have to migrate all the parents from the original page to the destination". Not quite. I need to migrate valid categories and drop the rest. <ul><li>Category:Israeli settlements in occupied territories| - This is the valid parent category that I assigned to 'Maps showing Israeli settlements'.</li> <li>Category:Maps of municipalities of Israel|~ - Not assigned because these are not Maps of municipalities of Israel</li> <li>Category:Maps of disputed territories|Israeli settlements - Not assigned because these are not Maps of disputed territories.</li> <li>Category:Maps of the Golan Heights|Israeli settlements - Not assigned because these are not exlcusively maps of Israeli settlements in the Golan Heights.</li> <li>Category:Maps of the Palestinian territories|Israeli settlements - Not assigned because these are not exclusively maps of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories.</li> <li>Category:Maps of the Arab-Israeli conflict|Israeli settlements - I don't recall whether I assigned this one to 'Maps showing Israeli settlements' but I agree it is a valid parent cat.</li></ul></dd> <dd>I hope this clarifies things a bit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sean.hoyland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sean.hoyland (page does not exist)">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-02T10:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T20:15:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry, your proposal is declined. The cat can either stay in it's very well-maintained long-prevailing adequate status or equally move in-one-piece to <a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_showing_Israeli_settlements_in_occupied_territories" title="Category:Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories">Maps showing Israeli settlements in occupied territories</a> or any name that will preserve the disambiguousity. Not All Wiki end-users (far less than you apparently assume) are fluent in the Arab-Israeli terminology. That the parent category is "Israeli settlements in occupied territories" doesn't mean the category itself is exempt from being clear on what it's concerning. The word "settlement" is an imperfect term that may mean any populated place that was once settled, see <a href="/wiki/Category:Settlements" title="Category:Settlements">Category:Settlements</a>. Therefore "<a href="/wiki/Category:Maps_of_human_settlements" title="Category:Maps of human settlements">Maps of settlements</a>", for instance, doesn't suggest a direct throwaway at "Maps of settlements in occupied territories", does it? It isn't the English Wikipedia here and you can be quite assured that we regularly work to adjust factual and plain-neutral titles to categories to just prevent those familiar en:wiki tugs of war; that is contrary to deliberate samantic choices like the one you just admittedly made that potentially leave many of our readers mixing terms innocently. Category names can't have ambiguousity. Just because we can't allow ourselves to be like en:wiki we shouldn't welcome 'adjustments' from fuller term to shorter term in areas where it might provoke confusion sustained by the assumption that "there is no real need to say that they are in occupied territories" as if what is obvious to one is obvious to others.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The category's parents are all valid. "Maps of municipalities of Israel": While we seem to agree that these settlements are not in Israel they are indisputably to <i>some</i> extent under Israeli jurisdiction and qualify for containment in the Israeli demographics tree as irregular entries, as they factually are. "Maps of disputed territories": The maps we're dealing with are maps of areas of past and present dispute and removing this tag is an absurdity. "Maps of the Golan Heights" and "Maps of the Palestinian territories": Israe's occupied territories straddle Syria's Golan Heights and Palestine's West Bank (and to some level Gaza too) so maps of Israeli settlements in occupied territories are most relevant under both these cross-parents.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>From this point, if you still disagree with the above you can start a discussion on the category's talkpage and attract more views through the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village Pump</a>. Let me know. Regardz. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-02T20:15:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T20:15:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T20:15:00.000Z-Sean.hoyland-2014-02-02T17:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blackcat-2014-02-02T22:00:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"></span>To both (thus including <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sean.hoyland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sean.hoyland (page does not exist)">Sean.hoyland</a>: </span>). Does "Israeli settlements" mean that it's about settlemtns patronaged by, or promoted by, or endorsed by, the Israeli government? Or it's simply about people only from Israel or only Israelian citizens? If the answer to all these questions is "no" then the category should be only "Settlement in the disputed territories" (as a matter of fact they are known also in Italy as "disputed territories"). -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:Blackcat" title="User:Blackcat"><span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;color:#000000">SERGIO</span></a></b> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blackcat" title="User talk:Blackcat"><span style="color:#4B0082">(aka the Blackcat)</span></a></small></sup> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Blackcat-2014-02-02T22:00:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blackcat-2014-02-02T22:00:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blackcat-2014-02-02T22:00:00.000Z-'disputed_territories'"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command"-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"><span id=".22This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command"-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span>"This is not a nomination this is a deletion command"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command"-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command""></span>We are not your dog. If a cat is not yet empty, we decline the <b>nomination</b> - <a href="/wiki/User:Jcb" title="User:Jcb">Jcb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcb" title="User talk:Jcb"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z-"This_is_not_a_nomination_this_is_a_deletion_command""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T22:21:00.000Z-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span>OK. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-02T22:21:00.000Z-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T22:21:00.000Z-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-02T22:21:00.000Z-Jcb-2014-02-02T22:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categories-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categories-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"></span>Categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categories-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z-Categories"></span>Can you give me an explanation to your request for moving <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Convoy_of_35&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Convoy of 35 (page does not exist)">Category:Convoy of 35</a> on CommonsDelinker? The Wikipedia article is at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_of_35" class="extiw" title="w:Convoy of 35">Convoy of 35</a> not "Convoy of the Thirty-Five". <a href="/wiki/User:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User:TeleComNasSprVen">TeleComNasSprVen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User talk:TeleComNasSprVen"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z-Categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z-Categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z-Categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"></span>The explanation is showing along with the entry <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACommonsDelinker%2Fcommands&diff=115683074&oldid=115681446">at the category move list</a>. If you question requests for any established reason <small>(aligning category names with article-names on the en:wiki generally isn't such)</small> you can drag them down below the "<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands#Category_moves_to_be_discussed" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">Category moves to be discussed</a>" subtitle (and state your reason for discussion) but you can not delete them from the page. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-05T05:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z"></span>Given that the information page for <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">naming categories</a> is merely a <i>proposal</i> for a guideline or policy page, and that there has been unclear information on the current practices or policies of Wikimedia Commons for proper category names, I think it best these categories warrant discussion and at least some mention of the naming schemes of other wikis, including English Wikipedia, to guide how Commons structures <i>its</i> content. I have moved the request down to the appropriate section as a courtesy, however the notice at the top of the page was very clear to me. I would not trust a bot to determine what is considered controversial or not, that's up to the community and consensus to decide. The header at the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/115684152" title="Special:PermanentLink/115684152">top of the page</a> at the time of writing this says, in no uncertain terms:</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>No controversial name changes. All moves have to follow the language policy. Please do not request name changes that you know may be controversial (this includes, for example, renaming locations into a different local language—even if <i>that is the official name used there</i>)...If you challenge a request added here, please simply remove it and kindly inform the requester of your reason for doing so. Invite the requester to open a formal request using {{move|new name}} or COM:CFD to discuss the requested name change. Consider notifying the requester even if the request is unsigned—determine who the requester is by looking at the page history.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>I have thus followed this instruction to the letter, regardless of what you may think of it. I also think it best practice to discuss something before making a large move request to a bot we can't reverse and may regret. As a show of good faith, I've already moved most of the requests you listed on that page as deemed uncontroversial, which you can see for yourself through my contributions history. But if something can be controversial, it needs greater discussion at CFD, not just here.</dd> <dd>Yes, I would very much appreciate a proper link to the consensus or policy page that says this is the case, before making a judgment on it. <a href="/wiki/User:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User:TeleComNasSprVen">TeleComNasSprVen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User talk:TeleComNasSprVen"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-05T18:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z"></span>Indeed, indeed, the header you just quoted here was by mistake not modified upon the introduction of the "Category moves to be discussed" procedure in about last October, which abolished the pattern of removing entries from the page when challanging them and has since proved to be a collaborative and respectful method of working out questioned commands centrally. Thanks for following that procedure now, and sorry that you were misled by the older notice (a result of a longer-time mess and absence of bot operation). To just make sure things aren't perceived incorrectly, I, and probably any other editor of my scope of activity, are in no need of "courtesy" by having things done the right way and using one's bot to carry out productive renames is definitely not a show of good faith but is a common procedure here, while of course I agree with your comment about generally striving at being sure that a move is right before performing it. The hundreds of moves I'm responsible to throughout the recent years confirm though that if I've posted an entry on that list it's most probably the more correct/preferable/consistent nameform. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T02:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for your response! You've assured me through the volume of work you've done you know better about how to name the categories than I do at least. We can request removal of those instructions at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/en" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/en">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/en</a> if you so choose, to prevent future misunderstandings. And sorry if I offended you in any way, looking back, my comment may have came across as accusative and I did not mean it by that. I will still suggest "Lamed Hey" as an alternative category name, perhaps appropriate as a category redirect, but if you still insist the point I will find time to move it to "Convoy of the thirty-five" (is thirty five hyphenated? capitalized?) as you find appropriate. Oh, there was also one issue I almost forgot to mention, one of the subcategories contains a number inside that might not be an appropriate Commons category name, how do you suggest we pull it out if we should? <a href="/wiki/User:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User:TeleComNasSprVen">TeleComNasSprVen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User talk:TeleComNasSprVen"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-06T02:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T03:50:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z"></span>I have not attended the subcategories until this moment.. Consistence might need to be pursued, thus: If leaving the parent cat as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Convoy_of_35&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Convoy of 35 (page does not exist)">Category:Convoy of 35</a>, that subcat will preferably be <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Graves_of_the_convoy_of_35&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Graves of the convoy of 35 (page does not exist)">Category:Graves of the convoy of 35</a>, if renamed as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Convoy_of_the_thirty_five&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Convoy of the thirty five (page does not exist)">Category:Convoy of the thirty five</a> >>> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Graves_of_the_convoy_of_the_thirty_five&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Graves of the convoy of the thirty five (page does not exist)">Category:Graves of the convoy of the thirty five</a>, and in case we end up renaming it as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Convoy_of_the_Lamed_He&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Convoy of the Lamed He (page does not exist)">Category:Convoy of the Lamed He</a> >>> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Graves_of_the_Lamed_He&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Graves of the Lamed He (page does not exist)">Category:Graves of the Lamed He</a>. Please note that "Lamed Hey" is in any case wrong, because the transcription should be as <i><b><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamed" class="extiw" title="w:Lamed">Lamed</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_(letter)" class="extiw" title="w:He (letter)">He</a></b></i> (or <i><b>Heh</b></i>), but not "Hey" (as per English Wikipedia itself...). I must leave this computer now, so the next time I'm on a comp (which might be late night) I'll contribute further. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-06T03:50:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T03:50:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-06T03:50:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-06T03:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-12T16:28:00.000Z-Categories"></span>Re <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=116223384&oldid=116217260">your comment</a> on my objections: I have moved dozens of categories listed as entries on that page for quite some time, most of which were listed by you or DenghiùComm. However, I've had at least one user <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TeleComNasSprVen#Tell_or_Tel" title="User talk:TeleComNasSprVen">object</a> to one of my category moves, so I want to be careful this time around whether to perform a move or not, and whether the community agrees with it. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from, and why I repeatedly ask for a little clarification before starting on another category page. <a href="/wiki/User:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User:TeleComNasSprVen">TeleComNasSprVen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TeleComNasSprVen" title="User talk:TeleComNasSprVen"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-12T16:28:00.000Z-Categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-12T16:28:00.000Z-Categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TeleComNasSprVen-2014-02-12T16:28:00.000Z-Categories"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Commons:File_renaming" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commons:File_renaming-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commons:File_renaming-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Commons:File_renaming" title="Commons:File renaming">Commons:File renaming</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commons:File_renaming-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jkadavoor-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z-Commons:File_renaming"></span>I just opened a discussion on the generic concerns on <a href="/wiki/Commons:File_renaming" title="Commons:File renaming">Commons:File renaming</a> at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Commons:File_renaming" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard">Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Commons:File_renaming</a>. Please share your opinions too if any. I see some merits in renaming; but concerned on some side effects too. Hope we people can arrive into a gentleman agreement. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Jkadavoor" title="User:Jkadavoor"><font color="red">J</font></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jkadavoor" title="User talk:Jkadavoor">e</a><a href="/wiki/Category:User:Jkadavoor" title="Category:User:Jkadavoor"><font color="red">e</font></a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Jkadavoor-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z-Commons:File_renaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jkadavoor-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z-Commons:File_renaming"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jkadavoor-2014-02-17T09:01:00.000Z-Commons:File_renaming"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Forest4.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Forest4.jpg-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Forest4.jpg-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Forest4.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Forest4.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Forest4.jpg‎</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Forest4.jpg-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z-File:Forest4.jpg"></span>I note your recat of this file from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Men_with_black_skin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Men with black skin (page does not exist)">Category:Men with black skin</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:People_of_Black_African_descent" title="Category:People of Black African descent">Category:People of Black African descent</a> and your elimination of the former category. Although the latter may be more PC, how do you know that this man or any other is of African descent? Although we are all ultimately descended from black Africans, that was a long time ago and now there are many people with black skin who are not from Africa -- Melanesians, Maoris, Australian Aboriginals, etc. </p><p>Making assumptions about descent is tricky -- we have a Bishop who just got her DNA tested, and although you would put her in Category:People of Black African descent, the largest group of here ancestors are Scandinavian. Better, I think to categorize observable facts rather than making assumptions that may be wrong on this difficult subject. It seems to me that Category:Men with black skin may not be PC, but it is observable. It's certain that the first time you put a Maori in Category:People of Black African descent, you'll get an angry complaint.. <strong><strong>Jim</strong></strong> . . . . <small><small><a href="/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward" title="User:Jameslwoodward">(Jameslwoodward)</a></small> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameslwoodward" title="User talk:Jameslwoodward">talk to me</a>)</small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z-File:Forest4.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z-File:Forest4.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z-File:Forest4.jpg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"></span>First of all, I'm not PC-guided, ever! That category shifting you point at was not directed by that kind of consideration (-and I'm pretty horrified by the idea that anyone possibly does pursue it when categorizing on Wiki). So don't be mistaken, I was led by the primary notion of «black skin» being simply a near-implausible classification trait, lexically; any person you'd commonly refer to as having a "black skin" namely quite rarely has a skin with that colour, pointing at that such a tag is first and foremost subjective and relative rather than absolute and my sole point is applying the more objective tags and harmonizing as much content with this understanding. You are very correct that I in the above specific case introduced an assumption (=that was my only tool provided no factual data) and about the trickiness in overall trying to categorize people when actual ethnicity is unknown. Eliminating "<a href="/wiki/Category:People_with_black_skin" title="Category:People with black skin">Wo/Men with black skin</a>" had nothing to do with sentiments, it was only the straighforward understanding that "black skin" is an incorrect grouping method, so you can see in my recent work I did also find several Pacific portraits. Obviously I could mistake any figure that doesn't have enough details. Thanks very much for this accurate comment, do assist in suggesting ways for improving observable and objective categorization mechanism when data is scarce. Do you think "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_with_darker_skin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People with darker skin (page does not exist)">Category:People with darker skin</a>" should be created? I would have no problem with this. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T14:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T16:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z"></span>Apologies for the PC assumption -- we see too much PC in the real world. One of my hot buttons is the use in much of the American media of "African-American" as a description of anyone with dark skin. As I noted above, "African" is not always correct, and, of course, neither is "American" -- even if the person is in the USA they might well not be a citizen or even resident here.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The current terminology in use in my circles is "People of color" or "black". Most people that I know who fit the category call themselves "black". I don't have a good answer for the question -- clearly we need a category, as many potential off-WMF users look for images of people with particular complexions. Perhaps this needs a discussion at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village Pump</a>. . <strong><strong>Jim</strong></strong> . . . . <small><small><a href="/wiki/User:Jameslwoodward" title="User:Jameslwoodward">(Jameslwoodward)</a></small> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameslwoodward" title="User talk:Jameslwoodward">talk to me</a>)</small> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T16:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T16:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameslwoodward-2014-02-19T16:07:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-02-19T15:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki-2014-03-10T16:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki-2014-03-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki" title="Category:Jewish community of Thessaloniki">Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki-2014-03-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" style="border:2px solid #D6D0B4; background-color:#FFEAC8;" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kimdime-2014-03-10T16:25:00.000Z-Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Category discussion warning" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="75" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/113px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/150px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a></span><span class="layouttemplateargs" style="display:none;speak:none;" title="template=Cdw 1%3DCategory%3AJewish_community_of_Thessaloniki 2%3DCommons%3ACategories+for+discussion%2F2014%2F03%2FCategory%3AJewish_community_of_Thessaloniki"> </span> </td> <td> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki" title="Category:Jewish community of Thessaloniki">Jewish community of Thessaloniki</a></b> has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion" title="Commons:Categories for discussion">Commons:Categories for discussion</a> so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/03/Category:Jewish_community_of_Thessaloniki" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/03/Category:Jewish community of Thessaloniki">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. 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We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/06/Category:White_people_of_Kenya" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/06/Category:White people of Kenya">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. 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We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/06/Category:White_people_of_South_Africa" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/06/Category:White people of South Africa">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:White people of Zimbabwe (page does not exist)">Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" style="border:2px solid #D6D0B4; background-color:#FFEAC8;" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mercurywoodrose-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg" 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title="Commons:Categories for discussion">Commons:Categories for discussion</a> so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/06/Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/06/Category:White people of Zimbabwe">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you! </p> <hr/> <div class="center" lang=""><span style="font-size:small;line-height:1.4" class="plainlinks noprint"><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/cs"><bdi class="language lang-cs" lang="cs">čeština</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/de"><bdi class="language lang-de" lang="de">Deutsch</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/en"><bdi class="language lang-en" lang="en">English</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/es"><bdi class="language lang-es" lang="es">español</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/fr"><bdi class="language lang-fr" lang="fr">français</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/it"><bdi class="language lang-it" 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href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/kn"><bdi class="language lang-kn" lang="kn">ಕನ್ನಡ</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/th"><bdi class="language lang-th" lang="th">ไทย</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/he"><bdi class="language lang-he" lang="he">עברית</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/ja"><bdi class="language lang-ja" lang="ja">日本語</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/zh"><bdi class="language lang-zh" lang="zh">中文</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <small class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cdw/lang&action=edit">+/−</a></small></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Mercurywoodrose" title="User:Mercurywoodrose">Mercurywoodrose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mercurywoodrose" title="User talk:Mercurywoodrose"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Mercurywoodrose-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mercurywoodrose-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mercurywoodrose-2014-06-13T01:07:00.000Z-Category:White_people_of_Zimbabwe"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Sex_in_humans" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Sex_in_humans-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Sex_in_humans-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Sex_in_humans" title="Category:Sex in humans">Category:Sex_in_humans</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Sex_in_humans-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" style="border:2px solid #D6D0B4; background-color:#FFEAC8;" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kijand-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z-Category:Sex_in_humans"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Category discussion warning" 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the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at <b><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2014/09/Category:Sex_in_humans" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/09/Category:Sex in humans">its entry</a></b>. </p> <div style="font-size:smaller;"> <p>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the <i>category</i> may be deleted, your <i>hard work</i> (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. </p> </div> <p>In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you! </p> <hr/> <div class="center" lang=""><span style="font-size:small;line-height:1.4" class="plainlinks noprint"><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/cs"><bdi class="language lang-cs" lang="cs">čeština</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/de"><bdi class="language lang-de" lang="de">Deutsch</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/en"><bdi class="language lang-en" lang="en">English</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/es"><bdi class="language lang-es" lang="es">español</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/fr"><bdi class="language lang-fr" lang="fr">français</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/it"><bdi class="language lang-it" 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href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/vi"><bdi class="language lang-vi" lang="vi">Tiếng Việt</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/be-tarask"><bdi class="language lang-be-tarask" lang="be-tarask">беларуская (тарашкевіца)</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/mk"><bdi class="language lang-mk" lang="mk">македонски</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/ru"><bdi class="language lang-ru" lang="ru">русский</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/uk"><bdi class="language lang-uk" lang="uk">українська</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/tcy"><bdi class="language lang-tcy" lang="tcy">ತುಳು</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/kn"><bdi class="language lang-kn" lang="kn">ಕನ್ನಡ</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/th"><bdi class="language lang-th" lang="th">ไทย</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/he"><bdi class="language lang-he" lang="he">עברית</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/ja"><bdi class="language lang-ja" lang="ja">日本語</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cdw/zh"><bdi class="language lang-zh" lang="zh">中文</bdi></a> <b>∙</b> <small class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cdw/lang&action=edit">+/−</a></small></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kijand&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kijand (page does not exist)">Kijand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kijand" title="User talk:Kijand"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Kijand-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z-Category:Sex_in_humans" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kijand-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z-Category:Sex_in_humans"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kijand-2014-09-11T09:25:00.000Z-Category:Sex_in_humans"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Are_you_there?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Are_you_there?-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"><span id="Are_you_there.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Are_you_there?-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"></span>Are you there?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Are_you_there?-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"></span>I've noticed you used to arrange lots of categories in Commons and seems as you've been gone for quite a while... Did you quit? <a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z-Are_you_there?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"></span>I only log in to the Commonssphere once a month (every 1st) now since suspending my donation in February facing <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MichaelMaggs&oldid=117158579#Re_message_on_your_page_that_you_might_have_missed">this failure</a>, to just see if there is any important change made such as the restoration of my editorial rights - As I've quite clearly indicated in that thread (which you've all obviously read and which followed <i><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems&diff=prev&oldid=114149096#Technical_assistance_in_filemoves_for_names_that_are_taken_by_redirects">this</a></i>) those latter had been central to my Commons contribution and so I will not resume my activity here before those rights are returned to my toolkit completely and thoroughly. If one wants a responsive attention from me there's clearly several off-wiki ways to do so as this one space is not attended over the month. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-11-21T21:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z"></span>Ok, I'd read and do my best. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-01T21:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z"></span>Geez... I feel like i'm in a disaster area. Seems as things got totally over the edge and I saw no actual reason that the moving tool had been taken from you. I've returned you the mover ability and I hope you'd return to your activity. I've sent you an email, based on the address you wrote at the bureaucrat, and I hope it would work. Reply when you will. <a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-04T20:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:26:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"></span>Damn, that's awesome. I'm impressed, thanks bigtime <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:26:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:26:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:26:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"></span>It's only two of the files I should yet recover back with their names which for some reason failed (=due to the auto-generated redirects, and you do realize that this is the issue my campaign went all about from the outset..) so I was like compelled to leave a silly gap between the name and the .jpg suffix, in case you have the right permissions for fixing them these are <a href="/wiki/File:Philly_.jpg" class="mw-redirect" title="File:Philly .jpg">File:Philly .jpg</a> and <a href="/wiki/File:Two_men_.jpg" class="mw-redirect" title="File:Two men .jpg">File:Two men .jpg</a> (need to remove the little space before the dot), lol <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-05T23:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z"></span>I notified you back to your e-mail :) החזרתי לך נוטיפיקיישן במייל... איך הצלחת לעשות את זה! <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z"></span>It's been indeed, a disaster area back in last December. Where were editors like you then... and you're even an Israeli :-D<br/>איפה היית לפני שנה שלמה - אין לך מושג כמה מתסכל זה היה, אבסורד מוחלט! <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b>. I'm glad I could help you <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/20px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/30px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/40px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span>. I personally prefer choosing less generic names, but as far as I checked that's not an obligation. Next time, If you need anything it would be simpler if you'd write me in my talk-page. <a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-06T18:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z"></span>אין לך מושג... --<a href="/wiki/User:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Yuval Y</span></a> § <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuval_Y" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Yuval Y"><span style="text-shadow:gray 1px 1px 1px; color: #006600; font-weight: bold;">Chat</span></a> § <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 6 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z"></span>Thanxxx.. hope there will be no reason 4 dat. Ye I should be getting to the old category work soon tomorrow. though it appears I will at first refrain from uploading new images, for a month during which zero acts of rename trolling onto the current upload portfolio should occur. Too traumatizing. Gonna call ya haha. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Yuval_Y-2014-12-06T23:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div dir="rtl"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"></span>גדול :-))) מגניב שאתה כאן ומצאתני, הטיפול שלך רב-ערך עבור מיליוני המשתמשים של וויקי <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Are_you_there?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-07T15:53:00.000Z-Are_you_there?"></span> </p> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:Hands_of_politicians" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Hands_of_politicians-2014-11-27T15:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Hands_of_politicians-2014-11-27T15:22:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Category:Hands_of_politicians" title="Category:Hands of politicians">Category:Hands_of_politicians</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Hands_of_politicians-2014-11-27T15:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" style="border:2px solid #D6D0B4; background-color:#FFEAC8;" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrightRaven-2014-11-27T15:22:00.000Z-Category:Hands_of_politicians"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Category discussion warning" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="75" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/113px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg/150px-Nuvola_apps_tree_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a></span><span class="layouttemplateargs" style="display:none;speak:none;" title="template=Cdw 1%3DCategory%3AHands_of_politicians 2%3DCommons%3ACategories+for+discussion%2F2014%2F11%2FCategory%3AHands_of_politicians"> </span> </td> <td> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Category:Hands_of_politicians" title="Category:Hands of politicians">Hands of politicians</a></b> has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion" title="Commons:Categories for discussion">Commons:Categories for discussion</a> so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. 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id="h-FYI-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span>FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Orrling" title="Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-FYI"></span>Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Orrling</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jkadavoor" title="User:Jkadavoor"><font color="red">J</font></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jkadavoor" title="User talk:Jkadavoor">e</a><a href="/wiki/Category:User:Jkadavoor" title="Category:User:Jkadavoor"><font color="red">e</font></a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-FYI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-FYI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z-FYI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T16:54:00.000Z-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span>Thanks... <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-08T16:54:00.000Z-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T16:54:00.000Z-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T16:54:00.000Z-Jkadavoor-2014-12-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"></span>Abuse of Filemove tool again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"></span>Hello, You have moved files <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=Orrling&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1">again</a> against policy. Therefore i removed your file mover permission again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Steinsplitter" title="User:Steinsplitter">Steinsplitter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steinsplitter" title="User talk:Steinsplitter"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"></span>I have not moved any file against policy, making up things is against the Wiki spirit and is not a nice thing to look at; I have recovered self-uploaded files into their original, legit names, after they were moved <a href="/wiki/Commons:RENAME#Which_files_should_be_renamed?" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:RENAME">against policy</a> about a year ago. I surprisingly managed to now finally fix these files perfectly without even needing to ask any assistance in deleting the obstructing redirects. This is a very good thing, and so, I would ask you to kindly reinstate the file mover permission as it was, so I can go on with my work when it might be needed. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T17:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z"></span>All filemoves are against policy, you know that verry well from the last <a href="/wiki/Commons:AN/U" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:AN/U">COM:AN/U</a> discussion. FYI: <a href="/wiki/Commons:AN/U#User:Orrling" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:AN/U">COM:AN/U#User:Orrling</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Steinsplitter" title="User:Steinsplitter">Steinsplitter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steinsplitter" title="User talk:Steinsplitter"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z-Orrling-2014-12-08T17:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T19:02:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z"></span>No, sadly you might be misinterpreting the events - if you even actually followed them at all when they occurred, back in last December. Making up things is NOT a nice thing to do here on Wiki. We work with one-another in collaboration and sensitivity and no personal harassment is accepted. Obviously no abuse was recorded by me, I was retaining some original filenames that had been vandalized, you should know the events. Of course the title of your post here is one that intends to create a pseudo-reality, and you should explain to yourself and to all of us why you're acting in this manner; we have a rename policy on here on Wiki, it seems to work - I have been very happy with it. I am a friend of policies. Last year that policy was straightforwardly abused by someone who overnight swooshed over 16 of my uploads into other "names", stating false and laughable reasons for each such deed - please view the history of this issue so you learn; and now eventually I, backed with the clear understanding that a donor's say about his filename (as long as not contradicting our policy) is not denied, got things recovered to my full liking in the fashion that enables me to continue to volunteer here happily, and this is all thanks to lately regaining the mover tool that had been illegitimately-revoked in the heat of last-year's campaign; I am very thankful to the admin who recently returned to me this permission, you should also thank him and not say things EVERYONE reading <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems&diff=prev&oldid=114149096#Technical_assistance_in_filemoves_for_names_that_are_taken_by_redirects">this</a> knows to be untrue. <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-08T19:02:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T19:02:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T19:02:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T18:11:00.000Z"></span><br/></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"></span>18:16, 6 December 2014 Orrling (talk | contribs | block) moved page File talk:View of Akko from the south.jpg to File talk:Akko.jpg (O:) (revert) <br/> This discussion is going nowhere. See the example above, clear abuse of of filemove right. Please don't play the system. It is not possible to restore your rights without community consensus. --<a href="/wiki/User:Steinsplitter" title="User:Steinsplitter">Steinsplitter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steinsplitter" title="User talk:Steinsplitter"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z-Abuse_of_Filemove_tool_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T20:10:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z"></span>I don't know why you say that. I have the impression you are not reading the responses you are getting. I have the impression you did not actually follow the links you were given in my responses here. Last year these files which I had donated on Commons were renamed in what was mostly a patent clear violation of our renaming policies and codes-of-conduct, and it was done as a personal harassment. I now have recovered the files, two days ago, believing this was the most natural thing one would do once that I regained my long-good-serving mover right, and this enabled me to contribute here again. My recent use of the mover tool was a regular 'undo' to an abuse from a year-old spree of <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Swedish_Hostel_in_Jerusalem.jpg&diff=112338716&oldid=112262149">vandalism directed at me</a>. Have you questioned that person's use of his/her mover tool, which I now have successfully undid, or are you for some reason questioning only mine? <font color="orange"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Orrling&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Orrling (page does not exist)">Orrling</a></font><font color="grey"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a></font> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orrling#c-Orrling-2014-12-08T20:10:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orrling-2014-12-08T20:10:00.000Z-Steinsplitter-2014-12-08T19:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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