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<strong>週末に街の現役世代から聞かれたのは、年金制度に関する不安です。</strong></p> <p><strong>今の公的年金制度では、現役世代が納めた保険料は積み立てられ、老後に本人が受け取るわけではありません。今の高齢者などの年金給付に充てるいわば「仕送り制度」になっています。</strong></p> <p><strong>そんな年金制度について、先週SNSである投稿が話題になりました。</strong></p> <p><strong>SNSの声（実際の投稿を基に作成） </strong><br /> <strong>「厚労省の若者向けの説明、ひど過ぎやろ」 </strong><br /> <strong>年金制度への理解を広げようと厚生労働省が作ったインターネットサイト。批判されているのは、このパートです。<a href="https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/28407523/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/28407523/</a></strong></p> <p><strong>厚労省のホームページから </strong><br /> <strong><span style="color: #dc143c;"> 「『払うだけ損だ』という意見が聞かれます」<br /> 「起こり得るリスクに社会全体で備え、皆さんに『安心』を提供するものです。そのため、経済的な損得という視点で見ることは、本来適切ではありません」 </span></strong><br /> <strong><a href="https://i0.wp.com/www.fx2ch.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Q3c7KmL.jpeg?ssl=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img decoding="async" class="image pict" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.fx2ch.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Q3c7KmL.jpeg?fit=640%2C360&ssl=1" alt="no title" border="0" hspace="5" /></a></strong></p> </div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>2: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:47:52.67 ID:shVoN+F10</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #dc143c; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"> <p><strong>障害年金</strong></p> <p><strong>いつ誰が障害者になるかわからんで</strong></p> </div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>570: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 20:03:25.26 ID:zMzngy130</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>2</span> </strong><br /> <strong>これだよな </strong><br /> <strong>保険でこんなにいい商品ないわけで</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>688: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 20:26:18.05 ID:xKmcesvO0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>2</span> </strong><br /> <strong>このために納めてるようなもんだよな</strong></div> <p> </p> <p style="color: gray; text-align: right;"><strong><a href="https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1742809625/"><span style="font-size: x-small;">https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1742809625/</span></a></strong></p> <br><br> <span style="text-align: -webkit-center; font-size: medium; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, osaka, "MS PGothic", sans-serif;">ｽﾎﾟﾝｻｰﾘﾝｸ</span> <br> <script async src="//pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/js/adsbygoogle.js"></script>  <ins class="adsbygoogle" style="display:inline-block;width:336px;height:280px" data-ad-client="ca-pub-5377601509848198" data-ad-slot="2686251989"></ins> <script> (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); </script> <br><br><br> <div class="t_h">99: <span style="color: gray;"> 2020/12/31(株) 23:18:33.80 ID:48635743</span></div> <br><br> <a href="https://blog.with2.net/link/?id=1426028" target="_blank"><img src="https://blog.with2.net/user-banner/?id=1426028&seq=1" title="人気ブログランキング" width="199" height="83"></a> <script type="text/javascript">c_img_param=['max','10','1','0','list','15438a','off','','16'];</script> <script type="text/javascript" src="//img-c.net/output/category/news.js"></script> <br> <br> <div class="t_h">99: <span style="color: gray;"> 2020/12/31(株) 23:18:33.80 ID:48635743</span></div> <br><br> <script type="text/javascript">c_img_param=['250','6','1','140','normal','FFFFFF','on','sp','14'];</script> <script type="text/javascript" src="//img-c.net/output/category/news.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript">c_img_param=['max','9','3','140','normal','FFFFFF','on','pc','14'];</script> <script type="text/javascript" src="//img-c.net/output/category/news.js"></script> <br> <p><span id="more-64219"></span></strong></p> <div class="t_h"><strong>3: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:48:13.11 ID:IspwP+3l0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #a52a2a; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>経済的な損得で見ないでほしい、ってつまり損するけど黙って払い続けろや下賤な馬鹿共、って事だね</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>62: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:57:33.71 ID:ZkcYytBk0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>3</span> </strong><br /> <strong>んだな</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>201: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:13:48.04 ID:tiMmHvVI0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>62</span> </strong><br /> <strong>結果として、損をしますって厚労省が認めたね</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>382: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:36:26.81 ID:CdTxk1+y0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>3</span> </strong><br /> <strong>搾取されてる側からしたら </strong><br /> <strong>経済的損得以外にないよな</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>670: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 20:22:54.59 ID:alezU0kf0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>3</span> </strong><br /> <strong>つまり税金だね</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>5: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:48:34.47 ID:8bMN6k2T0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #b84f7e; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>全然安心できないから皆文句言ってるんだけど</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>8: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:48:48.73 ID:YhotwSU20</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>払うというより </strong><br /> <strong>勝手に引かれてるんだが</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>665: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 20:21:00.52 ID:5O+GZwwf0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>8</span> </strong><br /> <strong>その通り </strong><br /> <strong>要は義務みたいなもんだ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>9: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:48:51.05 ID:fytLBOw90</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #15438a; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"> <p><strong>自動車保険だって事故らにゃ無駄になるけどね</strong></p> <div><strong>年金だけ損得に敏感よね</strong></div> </div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>41: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:54:06.01 ID:Z0bOCcOM0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>9</span> </strong><br /> <strong>年金は保険じゃないだろ </strong><br /> <strong>無理やり徴収されて元本割れじゃ文句も出るわ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>385: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:36:34.44 ID:TDNNmJiS0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>41</span> </strong><br /> <strong>年金は長生きしてしまったとき対策の保険だよ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>30: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:52:10.06 ID:zm6x3L5i0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #a52a2a; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>逆ピラミッドだから無茶苦茶取られてるんだよな </strong><br /> <strong>自分たちの時は間違いなく払った分の一部しか貰えない </strong><br /> <strong>高齢者のために若者が犠牲になる制度</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>34: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:52:40.89 ID:aaZlrKxw0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"> <p><strong>つまり、払っても経済的合理性はない、払い損ですよってことですか？</strong></p> <p><strong>ひどいじゃないですか！！</strong></p> </div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>36: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:53:14.18 ID:R8iFyFqo0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>経済的に損ならやるわけねーだろクソ役人が！</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>47: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:54:50.33 ID:JG3/8rWR0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #dc143c; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>年金てポンジスキームとなんか違うんか？</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>69: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:58:50.12 ID:Z0bOCcOM0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>47</span> </strong><br /> <strong>仕組みは変わらん </strong><br /> <strong>ただポンジスキームは欲で自分から金入れて騙されるけど、年金は強制徴収だからもっとタチが悪い</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>51: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:55:38.56 ID:xvqxbZ1q0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>マジでこつこつ貯金した方がずっとマシ </strong><br /> <strong>その貯金さえさせたくないんだろうけどな</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>55: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:56:33.46 ID:MQnXYKMr0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>支給前に死んだら損ですの時点で欠陥やろ </strong><br /> <strong>貯金して子供に残す方がマシやん</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>63: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:57:45.94 ID:Warjlit60</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>シンプルにぶん殴りたい </strong><br /> <strong>これほどの正論パンチ見たことない</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>64: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:57:55.51 ID:SxVyyPXE0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>損得以前に消えた年金責任とれよ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>67: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:58:19.76 ID:1riIl2dk0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #87471c; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>有事の際に使える金が要るんだよわかってくれよ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>68: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 18:58:33.05 ID:A9y416zq0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>事実上払い損だって言ってるようなもんじゃねえか</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>82: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:00:14.67 ID:8IxZpUXK0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #de6345; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>理屈では説明できず、安心という感情を持ち出した</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>83: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:00:22.52 ID:VN8/mc2t0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>余計に払いたく無いんだが</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>87: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:00:48.73 ID:AGMlVFuI0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>氷河期は７５歳から支給な</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h t_i" style="margin-left: 5px;"><strong>577: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 20:03:59.86 ID:Qq/5/o1q0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b t_i" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong><span class="anchor" style="color: mediumblue;">>>87</span> </strong><br /> <strong>甘いな満額支給は85歳からだ </strong><br /> <strong>75歳から受け取ると半額に減らされる</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>116: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:04:15.55 ID:AphOZc4e0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>人口が増え続ける前提の制度だから破綻するわ </strong><br /> <strong>基礎年金は税方式にして、厚生年金は廃止 </strong><br /> <strong>足りない人は確定拠出年金を掛けるようにすればいいだけ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>127: <span style="color: gray;"> 2025/03/24(月) 19:05:20.22 ID:nd+KtKXk0</span></strong></div> <div class="t_b" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: large; line-height: 2.0; color: #15438a; padding-left: 1px; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-top: 10px;"><strong>保険であるなら、掛けない自由は認められてしかるべき </strong><br /> <strong>掛けない自由がないなら、それは税として取るべきなんだよ</strong></div> <p> </p> <div class="t_h"><strong>128: <span style="color: 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id="comment-344112"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344112"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344112#respond" data-commentid="344112" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344112" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344112', 'comment-344112', 'comment-content-344112', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344112"> <p>その安心がなぁぁぁぁい！</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344113"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344113"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344113#respond" data-commentid="344113" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344113" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344113', 'comment-344113', 'comment-content-344113', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344113"> <p>税金や保険の支払い増えて手取りが減ったら、生活に安心できるわけないだろうが。</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344114"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344114"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344114#respond" data-commentid="344114" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344114" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344114', 'comment-344114', 'comment-content-344114', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344114"> <p>ふいんきで金出せよって詐欺師かよ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344115"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344115"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344115#respond" data-commentid="344115" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344115" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344115', 'comment-344115', 'comment-content-344115', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344115"> <p>消えた年金を公務員が補填しろよ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344116"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344116"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344116#respond" data-commentid="344116" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344116" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344116', 'comment-344116', 'comment-content-344116', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344116"> <p>詐欺</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344117"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344117"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344117#respond" data-commentid="344117" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344117" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344117', 'comment-344117', 'comment-content-344117', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344117"> <p>６０歳で受け取れるはずがドンドン遠ざかってる人らにとっちゃあ損以外の何物でもないのだよ<br /> 論点ずらしされてもその事実は覆らない</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344118"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344118"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344118#respond" data-commentid="344118" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344118" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344118', 'comment-344118', 'comment-content-344118', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344118"> <p>厚労省は全くおかしなことは言ってないんだが、馬鹿は理解できない</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344119"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344119"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344119#respond" data-commentid="344119" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344119" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344119', 'comment-344119', 'comment-content-344119', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344119"> <p>保険でこんなにいい商品はないって結論が出てて安心した</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344144"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344144"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344144#respond" data-commentid="344144" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344144" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344144', 'comment-344144', 'comment-content-344144', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344144"> <p>他の保険に鞍替えしたいんで、払ってた分を返して貰いたいですw</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344152"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344152"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344152#respond" data-commentid="344152" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344152" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344152', 'comment-344152', 'comment-content-344152', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344152"> <p>まだ保険は自分の意思､判断が反映される商品だけども強制的に回収している現状は年貢となんらかわらんよな</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344185"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344185"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344185#respond" data-commentid="344185" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344185" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344185', 'comment-344185', 'comment-content-344185', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344185"> <p>と、保険屋が申しております</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344120"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344120"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344120#respond" data-commentid="344120" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344120" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344120', 'comment-344120', 'comment-content-344120', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344120"> <p>出した分貰えないのは否定せんのな<br /> 安心が揺らいどるやん、物価上昇しとるしさぁ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344121"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344121"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344121#respond" data-commentid="344121" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344121" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344121', 'comment-344121', 'comment-content-344121', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344121"> <p>ほならね受け取れる年齢引き上げないでくださいよって<br /> どんどん年齢上がって寿命伸びるわけでもないのに受け取れる機会と期間が減っていくもんを見て得したってなるわけないやろ<br /> ふざけるな</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344122"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344122"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344122#respond" data-commentid="344122" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344122" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344122', 'comment-344122', 'comment-content-344122', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344122"> <p>あー</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344123"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344123"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344123#respond" data-commentid="344123" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344123" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344123', 'comment-344123', 'comment-content-344123', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344123"> <p>お前らはもはや爺だからな<br /> もらう立場が近くなってきて10年前と発言が変わってきてるだけや<br /> ほんまクズやなって</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344124"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344124"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344124#respond" data-commentid="344124" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344124" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344124', 'comment-344124', 'comment-content-344124', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344124"> <p>どう考えても損しかないわ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344125"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344125"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344125#respond" data-commentid="344125" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344125" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344125', 'comment-344125', 'comment-content-344125', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344125"> <p>昔から言われてるじゃんマルチみたいって実際マルチとかわりない制度</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344127"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344127"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344127#respond" data-commentid="344127" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344127" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344127', 'comment-344127', 'comment-content-344127', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344127"> <p>障害年金<br /> これ貰えなくて泣くやつガチおる。</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344128"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344128"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344128#respond" data-commentid="344128" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344128" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344128', 'comment-344128', 'comment-content-344128', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344128"> <p>安心を買う目的の制度なら<br /> 税金みたいな徴収せずに自由加入制度にして欲しい</p> <p>それならどこまでカバーするか、割り切るか<br /> かけるべきコストと天秤に掛けられる</p> <p>強制加入でやらせることではない</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344135"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344135"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344135#respond" data-commentid="344135" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344135" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344135', 'comment-344135', 'comment-content-344135', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344135"> <p>やってる事は抱き合わせポンジ・スキームだが、言ってる事は霊感商法みたいになって来たなw<br /> その内払う事が幸せですとか新興宗教染みた事のたまいそう<br /> いっその事のまた国家宗教を作ってお布施として集めれば、税金にしなくても正当性を担保出来るぞ?</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344129"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344129"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344129#respond" data-commentid="344129" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344129" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344129', 'comment-344129', 'comment-content-344129', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344129"> <p>年金事務所に行った時払わないと貰えないなんて誰も教えてくれなかったって文句言ってる人が居たけどああ言うところから溢れてんの沢山あるんじゃね<br /> 事務員さんがあるあるだね〜って言ってたわ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344130"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344130"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344130#respond" data-commentid="344130" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344130" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344130', 'comment-344130', 'comment-content-344130', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344130"> <p>まあ年金はまだ返ってくるけど税金なんて全く返って来ないからな<br /> よく税金で公共サービスがーとか言ってるバカいるけど普通に国債でやってるのが事実だしな</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344132"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344132"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344132#respond" data-commentid="344132" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344132" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344132', 'comment-344132', 'comment-content-344132', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344132"> <p>その安心とやらが担保されてないから払い損だと言われてるんだろ。天引き額はどんどん上がって支給額や支給年齢はどんどん劣化してるし</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344133"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344133"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344133#respond" data-commentid="344133" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344133" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344133', 'comment-344133', 'comment-content-344133', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344133"> <p>マジな話、障碍者年金と遺族年金を甘く見てるやつ結構いるよな<br /> 老齢年金しか制度上存在しないと思ってるんだろうか？<br /> あとその老齢年金でさえ、払ってなくてもらえないって老人が騒いでるのを見て、やっぱ必要だよなぁって思うわ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344134"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344134"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344134#respond" data-commentid="344134" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344134" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344134', 'comment-344134', 'comment-content-344134', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344134"> <p>年金払ってない奴は、生活保護から場外すべき</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344139"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344139"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344139#respond" data-commentid="344139" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344139" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344139', 'comment-344139', 'comment-content-344139', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344139"> <p>前までなら何を訳の分からない事を…と一蹴してたけど、現実的な運用を考えたらそれで良い気もするのが笑えない<br /> 義務を抱き合わせにするなら逆も然りで権利もセットにすべきだな<br /> その上で全てを税金として徴収すれば尚公平だなw</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344142"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344142"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344142#respond" data-commentid="344142" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344142" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344142', 'comment-344142', 'comment-content-344142', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344142"> <p>それ言うなら、過去に払ってた連中もウチらに比べて碌に払ってないから、給付を止めるのが筋ってもんよ</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344183"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344183"> 名無し </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344183#respond" data-commentid="344183" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344183" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="名無しに返信" aria-label="名無しに返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344183', 'comment-344183', 'comment-content-344183', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344183"> <p>中身はただの老人扶養税</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344138"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344138"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344138#respond" data-commentid="344138" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344138" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344138', 'comment-344138', 'comment-content-344138', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344138"> <p>若年層のことを考えると、あまりに不平等過ぎてな<br /> 自分は生涯現役で年金がなくても全く問題なしなんで、払った掛金が戻ってこなくても良い<br /> 現時点でもSNSでは若者の高齢層への批判は凄まじい、不満が高まってる<br /> 彼らがシステムに絶望して老人刈りを始める方が遥かに恐ろしいわ<br /> ほんと年金廃止が良いと強く思うね</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344186"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344186"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344186#respond" data-commentid="344186" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344186" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344186', 'comment-344186', 'comment-content-344186', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344186"> <p>現実はまともな人間は粛々と払い、貧困者が闇バイトで老人を狩ってるからなあ…<br /> 老人どうこうより移民みたいにキャッシュフローを隠して、税金や年金を滞納するのが一番効きそうかなw</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344140"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344140"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344140#respond" data-commentid="344140" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344140" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344140', 'comment-344140', 'comment-content-344140', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344140"> <p>強制徴収されるものや払わないと資産差し押さえされるような商品を保険とは言いません<br /> それを税といいます</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344143"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344143"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344143#respond" data-commentid="344143" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344143" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344143', 'comment-344143', 'comment-content-344143', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344143"> <p>間違いないわ</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344153"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344153"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344153#respond" data-commentid="344153" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344153" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344153', 'comment-344153', 'comment-content-344153', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344153"> <p>おっしゃる通り！</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344141"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344141"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344141#respond" data-commentid="344141" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344141" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344141', 'comment-344141', 'comment-content-344141', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344141"> <p>で、このインフレで安心出来るだけの給付受けてんの？そいつらは</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344146"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344146"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344146#respond" data-commentid="344146" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344146" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344146', 'comment-344146', 'comment-content-344146', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344146"> <p>絶対に得をするから安心を得られるんであって損するんだったら不安しかないだろw<br /> 政府がそこ担保しないんだったら不安を呼んで不払いが増えそれこそ制度の崩壊に繋がるぞ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344148"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344148"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344148#respond" data-commentid="344148" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344148" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344148', 'comment-344148', 'comment-content-344148', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344148"> <p>強制かつ途中で内容が変わる契約を信用ねぇ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344149"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344149"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344149#respond" data-commentid="344149" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344149" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344149', 'comment-344149', 'comment-content-344149', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344149"> <p>年金はまだええけど健康保険とか介護保険とか雇用保険まで強制加入は納得できひんわ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344151"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344151"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344151#respond" data-commentid="344151" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344151" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344151', 'comment-344151', 'comment-content-344151', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344151"> <p>なに言ったって年間20万はやりすぎだって<br /> それに支払いが数ヶ月遅れただけで委託された第三者の業者から取り立ての連絡､口座凍結などの脅し文句は思いやりの一過性の一つなんか？<br /> 国民もおこがましい強制に気づいてますよ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344156"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344156"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344156#respond" data-commentid="344156" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344156" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344156', 'comment-344156', 'comment-content-344156', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344156"> <p>受給開始の年齢が上がり、金額が下がり<br /> 不安しか与えてないよね</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344157"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344157"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344157#respond" data-commentid="344157" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344157" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344157', 'comment-344157', 'comment-content-344157', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344157"> <p>その安心が担保できてないから損だって言ってるんじゃないの？</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344160"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344160"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344160#respond" data-commentid="344160" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344160" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344160', 'comment-344160', 'comment-content-344160', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344160"> <p>いいからグリーンピアでドブに捨てた4000億を返せよ</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344162"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344162"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344162#respond" data-commentid="344162" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344162" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344162', 'comment-344162', 'comment-content-344162', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344162"> <p>損するなら安心できないじゃん</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344163"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344163"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344163#respond" data-commentid="344163" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344163" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344163', 'comment-344163', 'comment-content-344163', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344163"> <p>どこに安心が？既に払った分返ってこないのは確実なのに<br /> 自分が受給できる頃に制度が残ってるかどうかすらわからんわ<br /> どこに安心が？</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344164"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344164"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344164#respond" data-commentid="344164" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344164" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344164', 'comment-344164', 'comment-content-344164', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344164"> <p>失われた何十年作って少子化加速させたんだから老人はもう年金諦めろよ<br /> お前らの責任を押し付けてこれ以上若者から搾取すんな</p> </div> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344165"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344165"> 匿名 </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344165#respond" data-commentid="344165" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344165" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="匿名に返信" aria-label="匿名に返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344165', 'comment-344165', 'comment-content-344165', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344165"> <p>貯金のできない層とインフレに対応できない層が一定数いるから制度をなくすことなんてできない。<br /> なくしたら生活保護増大と治安悪化一直線よ。<br /> 万が一長生きした場合の保険と考えればそう悪いものではないから、そのように割り切るようにしてる。</p> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344184"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span id="commentauthor-344184"> 名無し </span> </li> <li class="comment-date">2025年 3月 25日</li> </ul> </div> <ul class="comment-act"> <li class="comment-reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-link" href="https://www.fx2ch.net/archives/64219?replytocom=344184#respond" data-commentid="344184" data-postid="64219" data-belowelement="comment-content-344184" data-respondelement="respond" data-replyto="名無しに返信" aria-label="名無しに返信"><span><span>返信</span></span></a></li> <li class="comment-quote"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="MGJS_CMT.quote('commentauthor-344184', 'comment-344184', 'comment-content-344184', 'comment');">引用</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="comment-content post_content" id="comment-content-344184"> <p>移民だらけで治安悪くなってるから変わらんくね？</p> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment guest-comment" id="comment-344178"> <div class="comment-meta clearfix"> <div class="comment-meta-left"> <ul class="comment-name-date"> <li class="comment-name"> <span 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