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The Intercept Briefing Podcast: Summer Lee on the fight of our lives

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Come January 20, Republicans will control the executive branch and both houses of Congress.</p> <p>On this week&#8217;s episode of The Intercept Briefing, <a href="https://theintercept.com/2024/11/14/trump-transition-republican-trifecta-progressives/">Rep. Summer Lee, D-Pa.</a>, acknowledges the need for swift action, particularly on the war in Gaza, prison pardons, and immigration. “I’ve been on calls with advocacy groups around immigration,” she says.&nbsp;President-elect Donald Trump&#8217;s promises to conduct mass deportation are “an imminent threat.”&nbsp;</p> <p>One tactic she’s employing to drive home the urgency is bringing Dreamers and their stories to meetings. “The people closest to the pain should be closest to the power, closest to the policy solutions. That is not just a cute saying,&#8221; Lee says. &#8220;It is, I would say, a very lifesaving way of thinking about the policies and the solutions that we have for the very real problems that we face. We can&#8217;t keep icing out the people who live it.”</p> <p>But she is also planning beyond the next eight weeks and is determined to fight the Trump administration. “When you&#8217;re playing, it&#8217;s Friday night football, it&#8217;s raining out, you should not leave that field and your jerseys white. You gotta get dirty,” she says. “Not a single voter wants to see us looking pristine when we&#8217;re in the fight for our life right now.”</p> <p>To hear more about how Lee and her colleagues on the left are planning to handle the next four years, listen to this week’s episode of The Intercept Briefing.</p> </div> <div class="relative inline-flex items-start print:hidden " data-module="Share" data-module-text="Rep. 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