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Welcome to the <b>Wikimedia <a href="/wiki/Meta:About_Meta" class="mw-redirect" title="Meta:About Meta">Meta-Wiki</a></b>! This website is for coordinating and discussing all <a href="/wiki/Complete_list_of_Wikimedia_projects" title="Complete list of Wikimedia projects">Wikimedia projects</a>. You may find it useful to read our <a href="/wiki/Meta:Policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Meta:Policy">policy page</a>. If you are interested in doing translations, visit <a href="/wiki/Meta:Babylon" title="Meta:Babylon">Meta:Babylon</a>. You can also leave a note on <a href="/wiki/Meta:Babel" title="Meta:Babel">Meta:Babel</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum" title="Wikimedia Forum">Wikimedia Forum</a> if you need help with something (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing! </p> </div> </div><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carn#c-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!"></span> </p><dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Babel_extension&diff=prev&oldid=1030073"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carn-2020-07-03T09:13:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z"></span>hello!</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Carn" title="User:Carn">Carn</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carn#c-Carn-2020-07-03T09:13:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carn-2020-07-03T09:13:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carn-2020-07-03T09:13:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2020-07-03T09:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"><span id="Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021.2FCategories.2FClusterization_of_Categories"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Your comment in Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Categories/Clusterization of Categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Carn&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Your comment in Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Categories/Clusterization of Categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Silver_hr-2020-12-16T04:41:00.000Z-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate"></span>Hi. Regarding your reply to me <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Categories&diff=20781183&oldid=20781182">here</a>, were you trying to imply that I was impolite? If so, would you care to tell me why you think that? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Silver_hr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Silver hr (page does not exist)">Silver hr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silver_hr" title="User talk:Silver hr">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carn#c-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z-Your_comment_in_Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Categories/Clusterization_of_Cate"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"></span>I find it impolite to say "Your crystal ball aside". I take this as an expression of extreme doubt that the words of the interlocutor are related to reality (but @<a href="/wiki/User:Matthiasb" title="User:Matthiasb">Matthiasb</a> talks about solid facts as I see). If you meant something different and my poor English level did not allow me to understand it, then I am sorry. <a href="/wiki/User:Carn" title="User:Carn">Carn</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carn#c-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z-Silver_hr-2020-12-11T21:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silver_hr-2020-12-16T04:41:00.000Z-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z"></span>That was a gentle reminder to Matthiasb that the first sentence of his comment ("Categories never ever will be replaced by Wikidata.") is not only trying to predict the future, but expressing absolute certainty about it, and is as such almost certainly wrong (as are almost all sentences containing unqualified absolute words such as <i>never</i> or <i>always</i>). Furthermore, the absolute certainty expressed there could lead an uninformed reader to conclude that Matthiasb is in a position to make decisions about this and as a result, all discussion about it is pointless. However, I didn't want to go into depth on this in my comment as it would have detracted from the actual topic, hence my brief remark. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Silver_hr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Silver hr (page does not exist)">Silver hr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silver_hr" title="User talk:Silver hr">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carn#c-Silver_hr-2020-12-16T04:41:00.000Z-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silver_hr-2020-12-16T04:41:00.000Z-Carn-2020-12-11T21:44:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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