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The two components are being coupled much more tightly<br />> than in the situation that the GPL discribes as "mere aggregation".<br /><br /> Would you maintain this position even if the firmware is identical<br />across operating systems and the Linux driver is identical across different<br />firmware builds for different hardware implementations?<br /><br /> Say, for example, Intel comes out with a new super-smart and<br />sophisticated network card. They also offer firmware that makes it look just<br />like an NE2000. They don't create this firmware for Linux, they create it<br />for any set of operating systems that don't have specific drivers for this<br />card.<br /><br /> Similarly, the NE2000 driver wasn't specifically designed to use<br />this firmware. Both the firmware and the driver were independently developed<br />to implement the same de facto standard.<br /><br /> Now, someone combines the firmware and the driver into a package<br />that checks what card you are using, and if it has the appropriate firmware<br />to make the card work with the driver, uploads it.<br /><br /> Note that the issue is not whether the GPL describes this as "mere<br />aggregation" because the GPL doesn't get to set its own scope. The issue is<br />whether the resulting binary is a single work (that is derivative of the<br />GPL'd driver) or whether it's two works with a license boundary between<br />them.<br /><br /> It would not be obviously unreasonable to argue that the NE2000 API<br />constitutes a license boundary between the two works, each of which stays on<br />its own side of that API.<br /><br /> Lacking clear court guidance, I see it as a threshold issue. One<br />primary issue (I think) is to what extent that firmware and the driver have<br />been customized for each other. A work that is carefully designed to mesh<br />tightly with another work is analogous to a sequel, which is a derivative<br />work.<br /><br /> I think we have a real problem, however, in cases where the source<br />file that holds only the firmware data contains a GPL notice.<br /><br /> DS<br /><br /><br />-<br />To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in<br />the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org<br />More majordomo info at <a href="http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html">http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html</a><br />Please read the FAQ at <a href="http://www.tux.org/lkml/">http://www.tux.org/lkml/</a><br /><br /></pre></td><td width="32" rowspan="2" class="c" valign="top"><img src="/images/icornerr.gif" width="32" height="32" alt="\" /></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="bottom"> 聽 </td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="bottom">聽</td><td class="c" valign="bottom" style="padding-bottom: 0px"><img src="/images/bcornerl.gif" width="32" height="32" alt="\" /></td><td class="c">聽</td><td class="c" valign="bottom" style="padding-bottom: 0px"><img src="/images/bcornerr.gif" width="32" height="32" alt="/" /></td></tr><tr><td align="right" valign="top" colspan="2"> 聽 </td><td class="lm">Last update: 2005-04-08 05:09 聽聽 [from the cache]<br />漏2003-2020 <a href="http://blog.jasper.es/"><span itemprop="editor">Jasper Spaans</span></a>|hosted at <a href="https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=9a8e99d24cf9">Digital Ocean</a> and my Meterkast|<a href="http://blog.jasper.es/categories.html#lkml-ref">Read the blog</a></td><td>聽</td></tr></table><script language="javascript" src="/js/styleswitcher.js" type="text/javascript"></script></body></html>