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</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion_of_Stefan_Schaal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Stefan_Schaal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Stefan_Schaal"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a> of <a href="/wiki/Stefan_Schaal" title="Stefan Schaal">Stefan Schaal</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Stefan_Schaal"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of Stefan Schaal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Notice" 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Removing <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> will stop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion process</a>, but other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion processes</a> exist. In particular, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion</a> process can result in deletion without discussion, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">articles for deletion</a> allows discussion to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for deletion. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gwyn_Jenkins" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gwyn_Jenkins-20240909212600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gwyn_Jenkins-20240909212600"></span>Gwyn Jenkins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gwyn_Jenkins-20240909212600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Gwyn Jenkins"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600-Gwyn_Jenkins"></span>Apologies for the revert, fat fingers on my part. <a href="/wiki/User:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Gaia Octavia Agrippa</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa" title="User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600-Gwyn_Jenkins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600-Gwyn_Jenkins"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600-Gwyn_Jenkins"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600"></span>No problem. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800-Gaia_Octavia_Agrippa-20240909212600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JappLpo-20241207202400-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800"></span>Hi Chris! I am participating in a project related to meteorology and I found this article about clousterballooning (<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_ballooning">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_ballooning</a>) and in its references section it mentions the book "History of Weather Balloons", Lester, M. ISBN 1541366778, I searched for the ISBN on the internet but I couldn't find the book and in the view history it appears that you edited that reference and I wanted to ask you if you have the correct ISBN or a link to the book. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JappLpo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JappLpo (page does not exist)">JappLpo</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JappLpo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:JappLpo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-JappLpo-20241207202400-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JappLpo-20241207202400-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JappLpo-20241207202400-Chris_the_speller-20240909235800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241207212400-JappLpo-20241207202400"></span>No, I was just fixing punctuation, and that was more than a year ago. I don't see how this relates to Gwyn Jenkins. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20241207212400-JappLpo-20241207202400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241207212400-JappLpo-20241207202400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20241207212400-JappLpo-20241207202400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minsters_and_Minsters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minsters_and_Minsters-20240913202800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minsters_and_Minsters-20240913202800"></span>Minsters and Minsters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minsters_and_Minsters-20240913202800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Minsters and Minsters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800-Minsters_and_Minsters"></span>Hi Chris, Did you know that some of your edits were <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ian_Smith&diff=prev&oldid=1245346006">turning politicians into a type of church</a>? <i><a href="/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers" title="User:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WereSpielChequers" title="User talk:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span></a><span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800-Minsters_and_Minsters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800-Minsters_and_Minsters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800-Minsters_and_Minsters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913221100-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800"></span>Thanks for finding that before I broke a few hundred more. I have fixed them all, as well as a few that were already wrong. Nothing like a typo in an AWB rule to make your day interesting. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <dl><dd>No problem. I really miss AWB, in almost all other respects I'm glad I ditched windows for my personal stuff. But AWB is one of two software tools that I miss and can't run under chrome. <i><a href="/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers" title="User:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WereSpielChequers" title="User talk:WereSpielChequers"><span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span></a><span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-WereSpielChequers-20240913221100-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913221100-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WereSpielChequers-20240913221100-WereSpielChequers-20240913202800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station-20240914144800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station-20240914144800"></span>Stornoway Lifeboat Station<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station-20240914144800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Stornoway Lifeboat Station"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojsyork-20240914144800-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller">Chris the speller</a> </p><p>Re your amendments.. As per Wiki instructions.. </p><p>"In generic use, apply lower case to words such as president, king, and emperor (De Gaulle was a French president; Louis XVI was a French king; Three prime ministers attended the conference). </p><p><b>Directly juxtaposed with the person's name, such words begin with a capital letter (President Obama, not president Obama). Standard or commonly used names of an office are treated as proper names (David Cameron was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom; Hirohito was Emperor of Japan; Louis XVI was King of France). Royal styles are capitalized (Her Majesty; His Highness); exceptions may apply for particular offices."</b> </p><p>"Full names of institutions, organizations, companies, etc. (United States Department of State) are proper names and require capitals. <b>Also treat as a proper name a shorter but still specific form, consistently capitalized in reliable generalist sources (e.g., US State Department or the State Department, depending on context)."</b> </p><p>So it is perfectly acceptable to have "President of the Institution, H.R.H. Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent, although with hindsight, I think I'll put it the other way around... </p><p>Martin <a href="/wiki/User:Ojsyork" title="User:Ojsyork">Ojsyork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojsyork" title="User talk:Ojsyork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Ojsyork-20240914144800-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojsyork-20240914144800-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojsyork-20240914144800-Stornoway_Lifeboat_Station"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500-Ojsyork-20240914144800"></span>But it was not "President of the Institution", it was "the President of the Institution", so per <a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLES">MOS:JOBTITLES</a> and <a href="/wiki/MOS:INSTITUTIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:INSTITUTIONS">MOS:INSTITUTIONS</a>, "the president" and "the institution" are clearly common nouns, and should be in lower case. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500-Ojsyork-20240914144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500-Ojsyork-20240914144800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500-Ojsyork-20240914144800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojsyork-20240914152500-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500"></span>So why didn't you just delete the 'the' ? <a href="/wiki/User:Ojsyork" title="User:Ojsyork">Ojsyork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojsyork" title="User talk:Ojsyork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Ojsyork-20240914152500-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojsyork-20240914152500-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojsyork-20240914152500-Chris_the_speller-20240914145500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300-Ojsyork-20240914152500"></span>Because I don't twist text to try to justify unnecessary capitalization. And "President of the Institution" does not appear to be a "formal title for a specific entity", as <a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLES">MOS:JOBTITLES</a> requires for capitalization. A search within WP found "president of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers" and "president of the Institution of Civil Engineers", so "president of the institution" is obviously not a "globally unique" title as required by <a href="/wiki/MOS:PEOPLETITLES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:PEOPLETITLES">MOS:PEOPLETITLES</a>, and "institution" is not a "shorter but still specific form". Better to just follow the MoS than to resort to contortions to circumvent the MoS in order to use capitalization that suits your own taste. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300-Ojsyork-20240914152500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300-Ojsyork-20240914152500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300-Ojsyork-20240914152500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojsyork-20240914175800-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300"></span>I am not trying not to conform to MoS - I just don't necessarily agree with your interpretation.</dd> <dd>You clearly stated your change was because the phrase was "the President of the Institution" and not "President of the Institution", so I corrected that, and still you're not happy.</dd> <dd>I am happy to accept president in lower case. However, in context of the article, the Institution is a shortened form of Royal National Lifeboat Institution, and is therefore by Wiki standards perfectly acceptable in capitalized form. <a href="/wiki/User:Ojsyork" title="User:Ojsyork">Ojsyork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojsyork" title="User talk:Ojsyork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Ojsyork-20240914175800-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojsyork-20240914175800-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojsyork-20240914175800-Chris_the_speller-20240914163300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200-Ojsyork-20240914175800"></span>The MoS says caps OK for a "shorter but still specific form", but "the Institution" is not a specific form; lots of things can be referred to as "the institution". The MoS shows the example "The university offers programs in arts and sciences", even in an article where it is clear from the context what university is being mentioned. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200-Ojsyork-20240914175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200-Ojsyork-20240914175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200-Ojsyork-20240914175800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojsyork-20240914202000-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200"></span>Maybe we just have to agree that things can be interpreted differently. After all, there is a clause on Wiki that does say, there is no wrong way. The article is very clearly about the Royal National Lifeboat Institution, and I will fight my corner of the use of Institution on all of the several hundred RNLI pages.</dd> <dd>I don't wish to get into battles. I just get a bit frustrated when someone jumps in on the work you have spent many hours putting together, whilst trying to get detail right, and add citations, and to comply with everyone's pet topics of adding nbsp, or endash, or capitals, or whatever, etc., only for someone to immediately correct you, like you are stupid.</dd> <dd>Best wishes</dd> <dd>Martin <a href="/wiki/User:Ojsyork" title="User:Ojsyork">Ojsyork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojsyork" title="User talk:Ojsyork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Ojsyork-20240914202000-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojsyork-20240914202000-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojsyork-20240914202000-Chris_the_speller-20240914194200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900-Ojsyork-20240914202000"></span>When I correct an article it is not to make a point about a previous editor being stupid; it is to help bring the article up to WP standards. If you take it as an insult, that's your issue. The MoS clearly indicates that WP's style is to not capitalize "the Institution", and it says that because a consensus of editors has decided that unnecessary capitalization prevents this encyclopedia from looking professional. Your mention of no wrong way is apparently a shortening of "There is no wrong way to edit Wikipedia as long as you follow guidelines and policies and work to improve our articles." You omitted "follow guidelines". If you ignore the MoS you can expect other editors to make corrections (read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">WP:OWN</a>); any frustration you may then feel is not the fault of the other editors. My talk page is not a good place to discuss your unhappiness with the MoS. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900-Ojsyork-20240914202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900-Ojsyork-20240914202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900-Ojsyork-20240914202000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojsyork-20240915064800-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900"></span>Chris</dd> <dd>You are more than welcome to reply on my talk page. But I think we are probably nearly done.</dd> <dd>I just wished to point out, I have no intentions of not complying with MOS. I make every effort to get it right. And I absolutely get your points.</dd> <dd>But some things are left open for interpretation, it isn't always black and white. I believe it would be perfectly acceptable to keep using 'Royal National Lifeboat Institution' every time, but isn't that just a bit over the top and unneccessary?</dd> <dd>I still think using 'Institution', on a page about the Royal National Lifeboat Institution, is perfectly acceptable. But maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.</dd> <dd>As for frustration, I do feel it is far too easy for those patrolling Wiki to maintain standards, which I fully support, to forget how much effort it takes to create pages, and maybe they should ease off a little sometimes.</dd> <dd>I leave with no bad feeling toward you whatsoever. This is just discussion. I trust the same of you to me. I have another 70+ lifeboat pages to create, our paths may cross again. Take care.</dd> <dd>Martin <a href="/wiki/User:Ojsyork" title="User:Ojsyork">Ojsyork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojsyork" title="User talk:Ojsyork">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Ojsyork-20240915064800-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojsyork-20240915064800-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojsyork-20240915064800-Chris_the_speller-20240915033900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="capitalization" data-mw-thread-id="h-capitalization-20241013010100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-capitalization-20241013010100"></span>capitalization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-capitalization-20241013010100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: capitalization"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100-capitalization"></span>I am not going to bother to undo any of your October 2 edits to <a href="/wiki/Benjamin_Butler" title="Benjamin Butler">Benjamin Butler</a>, but the convention is to capitalize "President," "Senator," and other positions when they are followed by the name of the president or senator. <a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100-capitalization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100-capitalization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100-capitalization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100"></span>No, they are not capitalized in WP when they are modified or pluralized: see <a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLE">MOS:JOBTITLE</a>, e.g. "Mao met with US president Richard Nixon in 1972." <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900-Maurice_Magnus-20241013010100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900"></span>MOS:JOBTITLE</a>, under <b>Positions, offices, and occupational titles</b>, states:</dd> <dd>They are capitalized only in the following cases:</dd> <dd>When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon; Pope John XXIII, not pope John XXIII.... <a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a>) 08:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC) Wait, it also says, "The French king Louis XVI was later beheaded." You must be saying that we should use "President Andrew Jackson" but "U.S. president Andrew Jackson," because in the latter case "U.S. president" is a description. I don't know. I think that the "The" before "French king" is necessary to make it a description.<a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600-Chris_the_speller-20241013010900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013133800-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600"></span>I gave the example from the MoS, "US president Richard Nixon". If you just follow the MoS and the example, instead of trying to work around it, we'll be happier. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20241013133800-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013133800-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20241013133800-Maurice_Magnus-20241013084600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Toeing_the_line" data-mw-thread-id="h-Toeing_the_line-20241208024800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Toeing_the_line-20241208024800"></span>Toeing the line<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Toeing_the_line-20241208024800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Toeing the line"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kingsif-20241208024800-Toeing_the_line"></span>I'm sure you knew it when you wrote it, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AUn_c%C3%A9lebre_especialista_sacando_muelas_en_el_gran_Hotel_Europa&diff=1261812090&oldid=1261773282">this</a> is uncivil, passively suggesting I am both ignorant and careless. I recall you being abrupt but not rude before, so I'll chalk it up to a lack of tact, but advise you do not assume ignorance of anyone just because you pore over MoS. </p><p>Because as I can see from your user talkpage, you're wedded to your manual of style and appear to refuse to engage people taking issue with it, and as I have said at that article talkpage, the Cambridge grammar I used to teach allowed for hyphens in cases comparable to this even if not unclear. I'm not going to challenge an MoS because it's long-winded and they usually have a small army of sticklers ready to defend them and nobody else wanting to engage. So my other advice for you is to remember the spirit of guidelines, too, and in terms of hyphens it's always for clarity. <a href="/wiki/User:Kingsif" title="User:Kingsif">Kingsif</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kingsif" title="User talk:Kingsif">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Kingsif-20241208024800-Toeing_the_line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kingsif-20241208024800-Toeing_the_line"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kingsif-20241208024800-Toeing_the_line"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241208045000-Kingsif-20241208024800"></span>I did not state or imply that you are ignorant or careless. The MoS is not there for you to ignore at will; this is not your encyclopedia. I observe the standards that the MoS provides because other editors have decided how WP should capitalize, punctuate, and so on, and it helps WP look professional. If you want to take issue with the MoS you should try the relevant MoS talk page, not my talk page. I have every right to make corrections that bring articles into conformity with the MoS. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20241208045000-Kingsif-20241208024800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241208045000-Kingsif-20241208024800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20241208045000-Kingsif-20241208024800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_holidays!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_holidays!-20241224105700"><span id="Happy_holidays.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_holidays!-20241224105700"></span>Happy holidays!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_holidays!-20241224105700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Happy holidays!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700-Happy_holidays!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg/100px-Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="75" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg/150px-Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg/200px-Bratislava_New_Year_Fireworks.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="1944"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>Happy holidays!</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Wishing you a Merry Christmas filled with love and joy, a Happy Holiday season surrounded by warmth and laughter, and a New Year brimming with hope, happiness, and success! 🎄🎉✨ <a href="/wiki/User:Jannatulbaqi" title="User:Jannatulbaqi">Baqi:)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jannatulbaqi" title="User talk:Jannatulbaqi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700-Happy_holidays!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700-Happy_holidays!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700-Happy_holidays!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aliwal2012-20241228195600-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700"></span>Hi Chris, glad to see you are still around! Merry Christmas from South Africa! --<a href="/wiki/User:Aliwal2012" title="User:Aliwal2012">Aliwal2012</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aliwal2012" title="User talk:Aliwal2012">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Aliwal2012-20241228195600-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aliwal2012-20241228195600-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aliwal2012-20241228195600-Jannatulbaqi-20241224105700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241229035500-Aliwal2012-20241228195600"></span>Thanks, it's good to be here. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20241229035500-Aliwal2012-20241228195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20241229035500-Aliwal2012-20241228195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20241229035500-Aliwal2012-20241228195600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI_with_CSS_ships" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI_with_CSS_ships-20250101211700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI_with_CSS_ships-20250101211700"></span>FYI with CSS ships<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI_with_CSS_ships-20250101211700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: FYI with CSS ships"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zinnober9-20250101211700-FYI_with_CSS_ships"></span>Just an FYI, these edits <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Eolus_%281864%29&diff=1221592594&oldid=1164180061">[1]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Peruvian_Navy_ships&diff=prev&oldid=1221473905">[2]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Cherokee_(1859)&diff=prev&oldid=1221534415">[3]</a> you made last April on ship related articles were not entirely correct.<br/> You changed the wikilinks of these ships from "CSS [name]" to the <a href="/wiki/Template:CSS" title="Template:CSS">Cascading Style Sheets</a> template, which has no relation to confederate ships.<br/> If you would, please use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ship" title="Template:Ship">ship</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> instead, like so: {{ship|CSS|Tallahassee}} -> <a href="/wiki/CSS_Tallahassee" title="CSS Tallahassee">CSS <i>Tallahassee</i></a>.<br/> I'm assuming your logic was <i>"<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:USS" title="Template:USS">USS</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is a ship link, so it follows that <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:CSS" title="Template:CSS">CSS</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> would also be a ship link"</i>, but that's not the case here. I'm not aware of any other cases per the <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:CSS" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:CSS">what links here</a>, so not a wide spread issue, but thought it was worth mentioning. Thanks for reading, happy new year, <a href="/wiki/User:Zinnober9" title="User:Zinnober9">Zinnober9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zinnober9" title="User talk:Zinnober9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Zinnober9-20250101211700-FYI_with_CSS_ships" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zinnober9-20250101211700-FYI_with_CSS_ships"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zinnober9-20250101211700-FYI_with_CSS_ships"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250101211900-Zinnober9-20250101211700"></span>Thanks for the tip. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20250101211900-Zinnober9-20250101211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250101211900-Zinnober9-20250101211700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20250101211900-Zinnober9-20250101211700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer-20250104104600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer-20250104104600"></span>Spelling of General Staff Officer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer-20250104104600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Spelling of General Staff Officer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shipsview-20250104104600-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"></span>I reverted your change to <a href="/wiki/Archibald_Fraser_Home" title="Archibald Fraser Home">Archibald Fraser Home</a>. </p><p>Military appointments are as shown here: <a href="/wiki/Staff_(military)" title="Staff (military)">Staff (military)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Shipsview" title="User:Shipsview">Shipsview</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shipsview" title="User talk:Shipsview">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Shipsview-20250104104600-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shipsview-20250104104600-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shipsview-20250104104600-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shipsview-20250104170500-Shipsview-20250104104600"></span>I dont want to get into an editing war here, but why is that you accept appointment titles such as Clerk of the Cheque, but not General Staff Officer,</dd> <dd>and High Sheriff but not Colonel of the Regiment?</dd> <dd>Scroll down to United Kingdon Army Staff on this page <a href="/wiki/Staff_(military)" title="Staff (military)">Staff (military)</a> to help you understand UK military appointments (and elsewhere on that page those of other nations).</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Shipsview" title="User:Shipsview">Shipsview</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shipsview" title="User talk:Shipsview">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Shipsview-20250104170500-Shipsview-20250104104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shipsview-20250104170500-Shipsview-20250104104600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shipsview-20250104170500-Shipsview-20250104104600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250104190100-Shipsview-20250104170500"></span>I left "Clerk of the Cheque" as is because I have a lot of experience with people from the UK who insist on capitals for such terms, so I generally leave "Knight Commander" and other ranks of dynastic orders alone; this seemed to be more like that than an actual Job title. You may wish to lower-case these to improve consistency if you don't mind taking flak. I already changed "Colonel of the Regiment" before I saw your post here, as that is a straightforward military appointment, much like "commanding officer". One doesn't need to understand all the branches of the British Staff System to know how to capitalize (or not) military ranks and assignments. I suspect that the section you referenced capitalizes "General Staff Officer (Grade 1)" because some editor thought that the initialization "GSO1" provided a rationale for doing that; they perhaps were not thinking of <a href="/wiki/MOS:EXPABBR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:EXPABBR">MOS:EXPABBR</a> "Do not apply initial capitals or other forms of emphasis to common-noun phrases just because capitals are used when abbreviating them". <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20250104190100-Shipsview-20250104170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250104190100-Shipsview-20250104170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20250104190100-Shipsview-20250104170500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shipsview-20250105101800-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"></span>If you do not understand something, please leave it alone. A Colonel of the Regiment is a title, not a rank. The person in question could be a general (small g). See here to learn more: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Shipsview" title="User:Shipsview">Shipsview</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shipsview" title="User talk:Shipsview">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Shipsview-20250105101800-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shipsview-20250105101800-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shipsview-20250105101800-Spelling_of_General_Staff_Officer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250105144600-Shipsview-20250105101800"></span>A WP article does not set the standard for capitalization: the MoS does. (BTW, I lower-cased the heading "Colonel of the regiment" to match the lower case used in that section of the article.) <a href="/wiki/MOS:JOBTITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:JOBTITLE">MOS:JOBTITLE</a> says that "Offices, titles, and positions" should be in lower case. And I full well understand the difference between military titles, military positions and military ranks. Beware of implying that another editor does not understand something; many editors will take that as a personal attack. <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_the_speller" title="User:Chris the speller"><span style="color: #C30;"><b>Chris</b></span> <span style="color: #060;"><b>the speller</b></span></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chris_the_speller#c-Chris_the_speller-20250105144600-Shipsview-20250105101800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_the_speller-20250105144600-Shipsview-20250105101800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_the_speller-20250105144600-Shipsview-20250105101800"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&oldid=1267528900">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_the_speller&oldid=1267528900</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 5 January 2025, at 14:46<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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