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data-mw-thread-id="c-KEmel49-20241210185400-The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KEmel49-20241210185400-The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KEmel49-20241210185400-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/History" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/History">History</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Idaho" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Idaho">Idaho</a>, and <a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wcquidditch-20241210194900-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Events" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events">Events</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Military" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military">Military</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">WC</span><i><span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span></i></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch"><span style="color:red">☎</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch"><span style="color:#999933">✎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Wcquidditch-20241210194900-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wcquidditch-20241210194900-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wcquidditch-20241210194900-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Garudam-20241210223300-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Speedy delete</b>: Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MILNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MILNG">WP:MILNG</a>. The only source cited falls under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGE_MATTERS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGE MATTERS">WP:AGE MATTERS</a>, this should not have been in the mainspace to begin with. <b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><a href="/wiki/User:Garudam" title="User:Garudam"><span style="color: black;"><b>Garudam</b></span></a></span> </b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Garudam" title="User talk:Garudam"><span style="color: gray;"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Garudam-20241210223300-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Garudam-20241210223300-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Garudam-20241210223300-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clarityfiend-20241211003000-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Delete</b> for failing nearly every criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEVENTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEVENTS">WP:NEVENTS</a>: lasting events, geographical scope, duration of coverage, diversity of sources. One newspaper article isn't going to get the job done. <a href="/wiki/User:Clarityfiend" title="User:Clarityfiend">Clarityfiend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clarityfiend" title="User talk:Clarityfiend">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Clarityfiend-20241211003000-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clarityfiend-20241211003000-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clarityfiend-20241211003000-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hog_Farm-20241211012900-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Delete</b> - nothing in Josephy's <i>The Civil War in the American West</i> or Cutrer's <i>Theater of a Separate War</i>. I turned up a passing mention in an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Report_of_the_Commissioner_of_Indian_Aff/HGeH0bnNk2kC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=battle+of+city+of+rocks+september+12+1862&pg=PA472&printsec=frontcover">1865 government report</a>. Nothing that shows evidence of notability here. <a href="/wiki/User:Hog_Farm" title="User:Hog Farm">Hog Farm</a> <sub> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hog_Farm" title="User talk:Hog Farm">Talk</a></i></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Hog_Farm-20241211012900-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hog_Farm-20241211012900-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hog_Farm-20241211012900-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211023100-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Delete</b> Not notable, and this user has a history of adding what is essentially trivia to articles about California in the Civil War taken almost exclusively from contemporary newspaper accounts. This article is no exception. <a href="/wiki/User:Intothatdarkness" title="User:Intothatdarkness">Intothat</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intothatdarkness" title="User talk:Intothatdarkness">darkness</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Intothatdarkness-20241211023100-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211023100-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211023100-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reywas92-20241211051500-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span>Delete</b> and admonishment to the creator <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tablelegs6&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tablelegs6 (page does not exist)">User:Tablelegs6</a>. "Battle of City of Rocks" yields <i>zero</i> results on Google/Books/News. Beyond a single primary source of an 1862 newspaper article being insufficient to base an article on, it's wildly inappropriate to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">just make names up</a> as if this is an actual title given by historians. That does not appear to be the case and "battle" is not in the source. Is there any other coverage of this event? What is the historical significance? <a href="/wiki/City_of_Rocks_National_Reserve#History" title="City of Rocks National Reserve">City of Rocks National Reserve#History</a> could certainly use expansion with sources like <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://npshistory.com/publications/ciro/hrs/sec2.htm">[1]</a>, but standalone articles on events covered in one contemporaneous newspaper article is not what we need. A second admonishment for the article being a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOSEPARAPHRASE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOSEPARAPHRASE">WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE</a> of the primary source, for example the source says "...which gave the travelers the impression that they were bringing to them beef. In a short time however, other Indians were seen coming out in all directions, mounted and on foot. Between thirty and forty Indians, mounted on fine large horses, very shortly after came dashing down upon them and commenced firing" and the article says "which gave them the impression that they were bringing some beef. As that was happening other Natives were seen coming out in all directions, some on horses others on foot. Between 30-40 Indians mounted on horses and rushed the men then opened fire." Even if this is out of copyright, it's not appropriate to copy and paste one news report and just make minor changes and call it an encyclopedia article. <a href="/wiki/User:Reywas92" title="User:Reywas92">Reywas92</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reywas92" title="User talk:Reywas92">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Reywas92-20241211051500-KEmel49-20241210185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reywas92-20241211051500-KEmel49-20241210185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reywas92-20241211051500-KEmel49-20241210185400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reywas92-20241211055500-Reywas92-20241211051500"></span>I have also nominated the creator's similarly single-source-paraphrased articles with manufactured titles <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Magdalena_Affair" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magdalena Affair">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magdalena Affair</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Battle_of_Sulphur_Springs" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sulphur Springs">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sulphur Springs</a>, may also do <a href="/wiki/Tanori%27s_Raid" title="Tanori's Raid">Tanori's Raid</a> and <a href="/wiki/Skirmish_at_Grass_Valley" title="Skirmish at Grass Valley">Skirmish at Grass Valley</a> in the morning. <a href="/wiki/User:Reywas92" title="User:Reywas92">Reywas92</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reywas92" title="User talk:Reywas92">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Reywas92-20241211055500-Reywas92-20241211051500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reywas92-20241211055500-Reywas92-20241211051500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reywas92-20241211055500-Reywas92-20241211051500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211130900-Reywas92-20241211055500"></span>The paraphrasing is a common issue with this author. I've been doing cleanup in many California Civil War unit articles centering on this very thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Intothatdarkness" title="User:Intothatdarkness">Intothat</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intothatdarkness" title="User talk:Intothatdarkness">darkness</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Battle_of_City_of_Rocks#c-Intothatdarkness-20241211130900-Reywas92-20241211055500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211130900-Reywas92-20241211055500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Intothatdarkness-20241211130900-Reywas92-20241211055500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul>    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