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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthropology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthropology">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Anthropology</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthropology</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Anthropology</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Anthropology articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Untitled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Untitled"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Untitled"></span>Untitled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Untitled"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Untitled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Untitled","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>I don't know whether there's a community of editors that maintains this, but I was thinking of adding <a href="/wiki/Proto-Indo-European" class="mw-redirect" title="Proto-Indo-European">Proto-Indo-European</a> after <a href="/wiki/Indo-European_languages" title="Indo-European languages">Indo-European languages</a>, and I wanted to send up a test balloon.<a href="/wiki/User:Kukkurovaca" title="User:Kukkurovaca"> -- कुक्कुरोवाच</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kukkurovaca" title="User talk:Kukkurovaca">Talk‽</a> 22:17, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC) </p><p>I had the same idea &amp; I did it before I even saw your message :-) but since we're here: does "Vedic civilization" really belong in this template? IE is not specifially about Aryans! If we have this, all other branches should be included, blowing the box out of proportion! <a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">Dbachmann</a> 12:06, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Box_is_Broken" data-mw-thread-id="h-Box_is_Broken"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Box_is_Broken"></span>Box is Broken<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Box_is_Broken"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Box is Broken"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Box_is_Broken","replies":[]}}--></div> <p>This box is broken in IE for Max OS X: the way it's formatted now, the Language-Society-Religion list ends up overlapping the specific language subfamililes, so for instance you can't see or click on "Tocharian". I tried to fix this but in ended up breaking the box for other browsers. Could someone who knows more than I do about the WikiMedia syntax for constructing these boxes try and fix it so it works in all browsers? <a href="/wiki/User:Ajd" title="User:Ajd">AJD</a> 19:46, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Some of the subtables (ewww) were oddly floated. Because of the way it's all laid out this floating didn't actually have any effect that I could identify in other browsers (tested Safari, Firefox, and IE6/Windows) but triggers float-related bugs in IE5.2/Mac. I've removed the extra float: styles; the template now looks ok to me in IE5.2/Mac, and doesn't look different from before in the other browsers (at least to my eye). --<a href="/wiki/User:Brion_VIBBER" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Brion VIBBER">Brion</a> 04:06, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Looks good; thanks. —<a href="/wiki/User:Ajd" title="User:Ajd">AJD</a> 06:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?&quot;,&quot;c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?&quot;,&quot;c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;whither?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;whither?&quot;}--><h2 id="whither?" data-mw-thread-id="h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z"><span id="whither.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z"></span>whither?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: whither?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?","c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?","c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?","timestamp":"2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-whither?-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?&quot;,&quot;c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?&quot;,&quot;c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;whither?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;whither?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?"></span>how about doing a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Archaeology_of_early_Indo-Europeans&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Archaeology of early Indo-Europeans (page does not exist)">archaeology of early Indo-Europeans</a> (vel sim.) article, listing all archaeology that bears a relation? We can then just link this article instead of a variety of cultures. Note that it will be quite similar to the <a href="/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis" title="Kurgan hypothesis">Kurgan hypothesis</a> now, but I suppose it must mention competing hypotheses. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">dab</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann" title="User talk:Dbachmann">(<b>ᛏ</b>)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 15 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?","replies":[],"displayName":"dab"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T14:10:00.000Z-whither?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?"></span>Yes, I had the same idea, just one link in the box to what is now pretty much filling up category <a href="/wiki/EIEC" class="mw-disambig" title="EIEC">EIEC</a>. As for the article itself, an approximate chronological order is probably best. It would just be the linked name and the dates, though it might develop into an overview for IE-related archaeology. </p><p>The alternative would be to make an oversize screen-wide box that gets dumped at the bottom, such as you see on certain royalty and nobilitity sites. A small narrow box is best, I think, so as to not overwhelm things. --<a href="/wiki/User:FourthAve" title="User:FourthAve">FourthAve</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 15 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z","author":"FourthAve","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FourthAve-2005-08-15T16:44:00.000Z-whither?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?"></span>yes -- note that the kind of grouping you are now doing via the EIEC category is usually done via templates such as {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Catholic" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Catholic">catholic</a>}} (accessible via the "What links here" button from the template page. Just a list is not too useful, however, there would need to be some rhyme or reason, like geographical and/or chronological order. For this, we need a full article. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">dab</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann" title="User talk:Dbachmann">(<b>ᛏ</b>)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?","replies":[],"displayName":"dab"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbachmann-2005-08-15T17:18:00.000Z-whither?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-People-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;People&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;People&quot;}--><h2 id="People" data-mw-thread-id="h-People-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-People-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z"></span>People<span data-mw-comment-end="h-People-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: People"><span>edit</span></a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-People-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;People&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;People&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People"></span>I added peoples parallel to the languages both because the culture of the Proto-Indo-Europeans is included, and because this template is used in places that are not specific to language. <a href="/wiki/User:Dpv" title="User:Dpv">Dpv</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Dpv","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dpv-2006-04-22T16:57:00.000Z-People"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Either Indo-Aryans and Iranians or Indo-Iranians&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Either Indo-Aryans and Iranians or Indo-Iranians&quot;}--><h2 id="Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians" data-mw-thread-id="h-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Either Indo-Aryans and Iranians or Indo-Iranians<span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians","timestamp":"2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Either Indo-Aryans and Iranians or Indo-Iranians&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Either Indo-Aryans and Iranians or Indo-Iranians&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians"></span>I guess it is somehow 'stressing' for some people to write only one or two of these three, but to let them all is to open the possibility for people to add more and more, like "Italic peoples, Italo-celts, Celts, Armenians, Greeks, Greco-Armenians, Germanic peoples, Slavs, Balts, Balto-Slavs, Germanic-Italo-Celts, Balto-Slavic-Germanic-Italo-Celts, Tocharians, Hittites, Anatolians, Hittite-Luvians,...". I think one should decide which of the two options is more correct here. For me it should be just Indo-Iranians.<a href="/wiki/User:Max-hu" title="User:Max-hu">Max-hu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z","author":"Max-hu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Max-hu-2007-01-28T13:16:00.000Z-Either_Indo-Aryans_and_Iranians_or_Indo-Iranians"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;whither this template?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;whither this template?&quot;}--><h2 id="whither_this_template?" data-mw-thread-id="h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z"><span id="whither_this_template.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z"></span>whither this template?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Edit section: whither this template?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?","timestamp":"2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-whither_this_template?-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;whither this template?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;whither this template?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?"></span>it's getting too cluttered. I suppose we should avoid linking to individual languages or peoples, and just link articles dealing with <i>comparative</i> IE studies. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">dab</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann" title="User talk:Dbachmann">(𒁳)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?","replies":[],"displayName":"dab"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbachmann-2007-10-01T08:04:00.000Z-whither_this_template?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Redo a bit&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Redo a bit&quot;}--><h2 id="Redo_a_bit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z"></span>Redo a bit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="Edit section: Redo a bit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit","timestamp":"2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Redo_a_bit-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Redo a bit&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Redo a bit&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit"></span>I redid this template a bit, adding more sections about the PIE language itself and removing the links for different homeland theories. I think it's enough just to have one <a href="/wiki/Indo-European_homeland" class="mw-redirect" title="Indo-European homeland">Homeland</a> link which discusses the different theories -- there's no danger in someone otherwise missing the pages in question, as they are prominently discussed in the <a href="/wiki/Indo-European_homeland" class="mw-redirect" title="Indo-European homeland">Homeland</a> page. Also, many of the "homeland theories" listed are basically just one person's pet project and have little or no academic respectability (Out-of-India hypothesis, Paleolithic Continuity hypothesis, ...). Possibly, to reduce its size, we should take out the links to the individual IE peoples, since in almost every case the respective group has the same name as one of the languages also listed in the template ... but OTOH the articles linked to are mostly very good and full of useful info. <a href="/wiki/User:Benwing" title="User:Benwing">Benwing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benwing" title="User talk:Benwing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z","author":"Benwing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Benwing-2010-10-30T07:22:00.000Z-Redo_a_bit"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz&quot;}--><h2 id="Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z"></span>Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=8" title="Edit section: Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz","timestamp":"2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Indo-European archeology: BMAC and Yaz&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz"></span>What about these two?: <a href="/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex" title="Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex">BMAC</a> and <a href="/wiki/Yaz_culture" title="Yaz culture">Yaz</a>. I think we should add them to archeology section of this template. <a href="/wiki/User:Zyma" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Zyma">Zyma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zyma" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Zyma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Zyma","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zyma-2013-07-05T17:02:00.000Z-Indo-European_archeology:_BMAC_and_Yaz"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Indo-European religions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Indo-European religions&quot;}--><h2 id="Indo-European_religions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Indo-European religions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=9" title="Edit section: Indo-European religions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions","timestamp":"2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Indo-European_religions-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Indo-European religions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Indo-European religions&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions"></span>I added another category, the category of Indo-European religions; from reconstructed proto-IE religion to historical religions of various Indo-European peoples and modern reconstructionist and syncretic IE religions. Nik. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.103.74.8" title="Special:Contributions/93.103.74.8">93.103.74.8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:93.103.74.8" title="User talk:93.103.74.8">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z","author":"93.103.74.8","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-93.103.74.8-2013-10-31T17:13:00.000Z-Indo-European_religions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map&quot;,&quot;c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Map&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Map&quot;}--><h2 id="Map" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z"></span>Map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=10" title="Edit section: Map"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map","c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map","timestamp":"2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Map-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map&quot;,&quot;c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Map&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Map&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map"></span>Although it has been an obvious sock changing the map, after reverting the sock I went back to the map the sock added. The Kurgan hypothesis map was added Oct 3 2005 and hasn't been edit since, and the same day it was created it was criticized with no response, see <a href="/wiki/File_talk:IE_expansion.png" title="File talk:IE expansion.png">File talk:IE expansion.png</a>. The map I've replaced it with, that the sock was adding, has been actively discussed with changes even as recent as July this year. I'm not taking a stand on the <a href="/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis" title="Kurgan hypothesis">Kurgan hypothesis</a> which is still mainstream, only on which map seems to be updated more frequently. Maybe we should have no map at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Dougweller" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dougweller">Dougweller</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dougweller" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dougweller">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z","author":"Dougweller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dougweller-2013-11-02T06:43:00.000Z-Map"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map"></span>maybe we should have no navbox at all. Beyond the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Proto-Indo-European_language" title="Template:Proto-Indo-European language">Proto-Indo-European language</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> that is. The latter has a well-defined scope, but this one is just a dumping ground. There could be a good navigation template on the <a href="/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis" title="Kurgan hypothesis">Kurgan hypothesis</a> itself, and that could also include the map, but this template is just too ill-defined to accommodate any map or picture. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">dab</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann" title="User talk:Dbachmann">(𒁳)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map","replies":[],"displayName":"dab"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:43:00.000Z-Map"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;structure&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;structure&quot;}--><h2 id="structure" data-mw-thread-id="h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z"></span>structure<span data-mw-comment-end="h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=11" title="Edit section: structure"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure","timestamp":"2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-structure-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;structure&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;structure&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure"></span>is there any structure, rhyme or reason to the listed topics? I ask because if you just heap up random articles on the general topics, you don't need a navbox template, as the categories already do the job. I tried to impose some minimal structure, but less would be more. We don't need to link each and every article (<a href="/wiki/S-mobile" class="mw-redirect" title="S-mobile">s-mobile</a>? why not <a href="/wiki/K%CA%B7etw%C3%B3res_rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Kʷetwóres rule">kʷetwóres rule</a>?). Also, listing "peoples" the focus should clearly be on historical macrogroups, this is not supposed to devolve into a list of Iron Age tribes. Nor a list of poorly-maintained "mythology" lists. </p><p><br/> Sigh, and the "archaeology" section is an alphabetical(!) list of unrelated cultures spread across Eurasia and the millennia. What possible use is that for "navigation"? --<a href="/wiki/User:Dbachmann" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dbachmann">dab</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann" title="User talk:Dbachmann">(𒁳)</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 9 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure","replies":[],"displayName":"dab"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbachmann-2014-03-09T11:41:00.000Z-structure"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Mainspace&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Mainspace&quot;}--><h2 id="Mainspace" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"></span>Mainspace<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="Edit section: Mainspace"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z","timestamp":"2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Mainspace-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Mainspace&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Mainspace&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VegaDark" title="User:VegaDark">VegaDark</a>:</span> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AIndo-European_topics&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=756439948&amp;oldid=755663046">why</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshua_Jonathan" title="User:Joshua Jonathan"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></span></a> -<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan" title="User talk:Joshua Jonathan"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z","author":"Joshua Jonathan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace","replies":["c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z-Mainspace"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"></span>There was a page showing up in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Polluted_categories" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories">Wikipedia:Database_reports/Polluted_categories</a> that had that template, which was causing the user page to show up in mainspace categories. My edits (less the typo which you caught, thanks) made it so that userspace pages won't show up in the category. <a href="/wiki/User:VegaDark" title="User:VegaDark">VegaDark</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VegaDark" title="User talk:VegaDark">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z","author":"VegaDark","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T07:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VegaDark" title="User:VegaDark">VegaDark</a>:</span> but now the link is not visible anymore? By the way, the category os also in top of the template? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshua_Jonathan" title="User:Joshua Jonathan"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></span></a> -<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan" title="User talk:Joshua Jonathan"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z","author":"Joshua Jonathan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z-VegaDark-2016-12-24T08:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z"></span>The category is visible on pages that it is intended for. See <a href="/wiki/Balts" title="Balts">Balts</a>, for example, which is in the category still. The only change my edit resulted in was stuff outside of mainspace that transcludes the category will no longer have the category. <a href="/wiki/User:VegaDark" title="User:VegaDark">VegaDark</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VegaDark" title="User talk:VegaDark">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z","author":"VegaDark","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VegaDark-2016-12-24T18:46:00.000Z-Joshua_Jonathan-2016-12-24T08:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Images not displaying&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Images not displaying&quot;}--><h2 id="Images_not_displaying" data-mw-thread-id="h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z"></span>Images not displaying<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=13" title="Edit section: Images not displaying"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying","timestamp":"2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Images_not_displaying-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Images not displaying&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Images not displaying&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying"></span>I had to remove this template from an article because it is so long that images in the first section of the article wouldn't display. I'm just making a note of it here in case any editors would be interested in possibly reducing the length of the template to something manageable. (It was a second sidebar, so I wouldn't change it over one article necessarily, but if this effecting other articles as well, perhaps editors will want to consider making some changes.) </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Seraphim_System" title="User:Seraphim System"><span style="font-family:Candara; color:#cc00cc; text-shadow:#b3b3cc 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b>Seraphim System</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphim_System" title="User talk:Seraphim System"><span style="color:#009900">talk</span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z","author":"Seraphim System","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seraphim_System-2017-07-11T02:12:00.000Z-Images_not_displaying"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Vindafarna-20240715043500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???&quot;}--><h2 id="Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500"><span id="Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian.3F.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500"></span>Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Indo-European_topics&amp;action=edit&amp;section=14" title="Edit section: Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Vindafarna-20240715043500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500","replies":["c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???","timestamp":"20240715043500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Vindafarna-20240715043500&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???-20240715043500&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Kurdish as independent from Indo-Iranian???&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???"></span>Guys, why's Kurdish on its own in the 'languages' section and not just subsumed under the Indo-Iranian page like all other linguistic daughters are? It's very bizarre and I'm not even sure how to change it... </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Vindafarna" title="User:Vindafarna">Vindafarna</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vindafarna" title="User talk:Vindafarna">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Indo-European_topics#c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715043500","author":"Vindafarna","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vindafarna-20240715043500-Kurdish_as_independent_from_Indo-Iranian???"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐f69cdc8f6‐l24nk Cached time: 20241124221724 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.024 seconds CPU time usage: 0.231 seconds Real time usage: 0.336 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 430/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 25703/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 80/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 6/100 Expensive parser function count: 14/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 27948/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.126/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2112740/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 199.730 1 -total 92.90% 185.543 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 32.92% 65.750 1 Template:WikiProject_Demographics 16.02% 31.987 1 Template:WikiProject_History 6.29% 12.558 1 Template:WikiProject_Neopaganism 5.93% 11.853 1 Template:WikiProject_Anthropology 3.92% 7.834 2 Template:Yo 2.88% 5.745 1 Template:Tl 0.93% 1.859 2 Template:Nowrap --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:762282-0!canonical and timestamp 20241124221724 and revision id 1252878344. 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