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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reverting_on_mobile"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Reverting on mobile</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reverting_on_mobile-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Automatic_search_for_red_links" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Automatic_search_for_red_links"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Automatic search for red links</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Automatic_search_for_red_links-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sourcing_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sourcing_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span 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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Is enough info for an article/stub?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_finding_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_finding_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Help finding template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_finding_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Using_a_book_reference" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Using_a_book_reference"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Using a book reference</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Using_a_book_reference-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>My edit got reverted despite it being accurate</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>AI Aided Suggested Edits (adding links between articles)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Need advice on improving this draft.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-General_References" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#General_References"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>General References</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-General_References-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Sandbox seems to be not working</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Image gallery centering at Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_Improvement" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_Improvement"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Article Improvement</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_Improvement-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>What if someone with a COI doesn't reveal so?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Is there a "third opinion" for conduct disputes?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Can I make graphs on Excel</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Hii, I have doubt on blocks and unblocks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I'm_not_interested_in_editing." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I'm_not_interested_in_editing."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>I'm not interested in editing.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I'm_not_interested_in_editing.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show_password"_button?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show_password"_button?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Technical question: is there a reason why at Special:UserLogin there is no "Show password" button?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show_password"_button?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Adding articles to Wikiprojects</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Taco_wikilove" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Taco_wikilove"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Taco wikilove</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Taco_wikilove-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Altering incorrect information on a page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cyprus_military_ranks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Cyprus military ranks</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Cyprus military ranks subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Cyprus_military_ranks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-NCO_and_other_ranks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NCO_and_other_ranks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28.1</span> <span>NCO and other ranks</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-NCO_and_other_ranks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Other_ranks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Other_ranks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Other ranks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Other_ranks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_with_new_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_with_new_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Help with new article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_with_new_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Alternative to range block calculator</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Help with uploading Tour Poster</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it._What's_the_best_way_to_proceed_please?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it._What's_the_best_way_to_proceed_please?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Hello, there's a part of an article that is inaccurate and I'd like to remove it. What's the best way to proceed please?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it._What's_the_best_way_to_proceed_please?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>What are the important project pages to get started with?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rosemary_Jacobs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rosemary_Jacobs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Rosemary Jacobs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rosemary_Jacobs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Query" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Query"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Query</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Query-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Question about citing a blog post as a quote from an expert</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Partial translation of an English article already existing in French</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-bracketed_ellipses" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#bracketed_ellipses"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>bracketed ellipses</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-bracketed_ellipses-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Suggested_Discography_Template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Suggested_Discography_Template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Suggested Discography Template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Suggested_Discography_Template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Referencing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Referencing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Referencing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Referencing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Username_change_policy_questions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Username_change_policy_questions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Username change policy questions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Username_change_policy_questions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Pygame - tutorials in external links?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_format]" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_format]"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Films - (Music too?) - Response - Critical Response - [Should have historical format]</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_format]-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>How about some tea and cookies?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Oaklawn Plantation has wrong title, location descriptor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul 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class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:%C4%8Cajovna" title="Wikipedie:Čajovna – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Čajovna" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hj%C3%A6lp:Nybegynderforum" title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Dansk</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_von_Neulingen" title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Deutsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_des_nouveaux" title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hi badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल – Hindi" lang="hi" hreflang="hi" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल" data-language-autonym="हिन्दी" data-language-local-name="Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>हिन्दी</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bantuan)/Flow" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan)/Flow – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan)/Flow" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%DB%92_%D8%AC%D8%A7%DB%92" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>कॉशुर / کٲشُر</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(kezd%C5%91knek)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%B0" title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-new mw-list-item"><a href="https://new.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B8:_%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%3F" title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु? – Newari" lang="new" hreflang="new" data-title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु?" data-language-autonym="नेपाल भाषा" data-language-local-name="Newari" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाल भाषा</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum – Norwegian Bokmål" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Bokmål" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Norsk bokmål</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-or mw-list-item"><a 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[[User:Industrial Metal Brain|Industrial Metal Brain]] ([[User talk:Industrial Metal Brain|talk]]) 16:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>But the page for [[Abu Nidal Organization]] says the organizations split, so they're not the same entity / organization. [[User:Industrial Metal Brain|Industrial Metal Brain]] ([[User talk:Industrial Metal Brain|talk]]) 16:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>:For the first file [[:File: Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg]], it was uploaded by [[user:Dmhll]] who is still active on Wikipedia. So you can ask about it. What is CAT-UXO? If it is a web site, it is best to link to the page it is from. But as you suggest, if it is not genuine or correct for that organisation, it does not satisfy the fair use criteria, and should be deleted. THis also lease me to [[:File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png]] on commons, which has a false copyright label on it, as it would be a derivative of a copyrighted flag. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>:For the first file [[:File: Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg]], it was uploaded by [[user:Dmhll]] who is still active on Wikipedia. So you can ask about it. What is CAT-UXO? If it is a web site, it is best to link to the page it is from. But as you suggest, if it is not genuine or correct for that organisation, it does not satisfy the fair use criteria, and should be deleted. THis also lease me to [[:File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png]] on commons, which has a false copyright label on it, as it would be a derivative of a copyrighted flag. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>:::{{u|Industrial Metal Brain}}, "Abu Nidal Organization" was the name used by Western sources. The group actually called itself "Fatah – Revolutionary Council" and it claimed to be the genuine Fatah. It therefore seems plausible that the group may have used the same flag as the original group led by [[Yasser Arafat]] as a claim of legitimacy. I suggest that you discuss the matter at [[Talk:Abu Nidal Organization]]. 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Does Wikipedia have a Bookmark feature, as do Chrome, Safari, and other browsers? <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241125192300-Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241125192300-Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241125192300-Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241125192500-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> To a point, yes, you can add them to your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:W" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:W">watchlist</a>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As for stuff that's unlikely to be updated but that you want to keep track of, I, as an Opera GX user, tend to simply have the tabs open in one of my workspaces so I don't have to go rummaging through my regular browser bookmarks. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241125192500-Augnablik-20241125192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241125192500-Augnablik-20241125192300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241125192500-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241125193400-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a>. Another possibility is to add a list of links to your favourite pages on your user page (or a user subpage). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241125193400-Augnablik-20241125192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241125193400-Augnablik-20241125192300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241125193400-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241126174500-ColinFine-20241125193400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a>, thank you both for your ideas. I think Colin’s suggestion comes a little closer to what I was thinking of, but I should mention that after I posted this question here in the Teahouse, I thought to ask my mentor if perhaps there was a way to make a request of the tekkies to create a feature.</dd> <dd>In his reply, he mentioned the Wishlist. I’ll probably try that, though I know there’s no guarantee of a Wiki Bookmark feature ever being created — and of course that will take awhile. So I’ll try out all 3 of your suggestions, starting by trying to set up a User sub-page first. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241126174500-ColinFine-20241125193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241126174500-ColinFine-20241125193400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241126174500-ColinFine-20241125193400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241126191800-Augnablik-20241126174500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a>:</span> Hi. In case your watchlist gets very large, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists" title="User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists">User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists</a> is a good option. I use it, as well as as subpage method. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241126191800-Augnablik-20241126174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241126191800-Augnablik-20241126174500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241126191800-Augnablik-20241126174500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241128102100-Usernamekiran-20241126191800"></span>Maybe this is what I'll try first. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241128102100-Usernamekiran-20241126191800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241128102100-Usernamekiran-20241126191800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241128102100-Usernamekiran-20241126191800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241129130400-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Usernamekiran" title="User:Usernamekiran">Usernamekiran</a>, just as follow-up to our discussion here ... today I was reading some informatiion about the Sandbox and came across <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox_organiser" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser">this</a>: "Sandbox Organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, and list of tools."</dd> <dd>Have any of you used the Sandbox's Bookmarks feature for more general bookmarking purposes? <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241129130400-Augnablik-20241125192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241129130400-Augnablik-20241125192300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241129130400-Augnablik-20241125192300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span>I haven't personally, no. I keep the stuff I want to make on my user page in my own personal to do list, plus because I use Opera I just have all of the pages I think I'll need open. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500-Augnablik-20241129130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500-Augnablik-20241129130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241130002200-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a>, why “because I use Opera?” Anything special about that browser, or did you word your comment as you did only because you just meant to point out that you keep a browser open at the same time as you work on Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241130002200-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241130002200-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241130002200-CommissarDoggo-20241129135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241130003500-Augnablik-20241130002200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> Basically, <a href="/wiki/Opera_(web_browser)" title="Opera (web browser)">Opera GX</a> (or regular Opera if you wish) allows you to have multiple "workspaces" (basically just groupings of tabs) open at the same time. When you close and then re-open Opera, say, if you shut down your computer and turn it back on again, all of your tabs will still be there when you turn on Opera again, just not loaded so as to avoid turning your computer into a bonfire. It's really handy for dealing with Wikipedia. I'm sure there are browsers like it, this is just the one I use.</dd> <dd>I have three different workspaces for Wikipedia, the first is the one I'm in right now as I type this, Wikipedia. This holds all of the policies, guidelines and templates that I use when simply editing Wikipedia, alongside my watchlist and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RECENTCHANGES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECENTCHANGES">recent changes</a> tab for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RCP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RCP">recent change patrol</a>. My second is for page projects, which is pages I'm either actively working on or gathering sources for. The third is for my userpage, it includes stuff like userbox pages, userpage templates and other such gubbins.</dd> <dd>In all three of these workspaces alone, I have around 30 tabs open, just not all loaded up. It's definitely worth looking into if you want to keep pages ready. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241130003500-Augnablik-20241130002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241130003500-Augnablik-20241130002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241130003500-Augnablik-20241130002200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241129164700-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span>Never heard of it. Sorry. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241129164700-Augnablik-20241129130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241129164700-Augnablik-20241129130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241129164700-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129184100-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a>:</span> I heard about it for the first time as well. I keep the links on my subpage as a lot of them are categories, and special pages. For rest, I use watchlist, and the custom watchlist mentioned above. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241129184100-Augnablik-20241129130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129184100-Augnablik-20241129130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241129184100-Augnablik-20241129130400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverting_on_mobile" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverting_on_mobile-20241125225600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverting_on_mobile-20241125225600"></span>Reverting on mobile<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverting_on_mobile-20241125225600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600-Reverting_on_mobile"></span>How do I revert an article to a previous edit on mobile, as well as undo an edit? I am on an iPhone. <a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User talk:AlexTheWikipedian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600-Reverting_on_mobile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600-Reverting_on_mobile"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600-Reverting_on_mobile"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241126010600-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a>. I believe if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a Wikipedia page while using the mobile Wikipedia site, I'm pretty sure you're given the option to view the page in "Desktop mode". If you click this, you should see the page as you would see it using the regular Wikipedia set up, and be able to edit just like you would edit any Wikipedia. Be aware, though, that your mobie service provider might be using an IP proxy that is blocked from making edits per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Open_proxies" title="Wikipedia:Open proxies">Wikipedia:Open proxies</a>; you can view pages fine, but you just can't edit them. So, if you go to desktop mode and still can't edit because the IP address your account is using has been blocked, there might not be much you can do except try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption" title="Wikipedia:IP block exemption">Wikipedia:IP block exemption</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126010600-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241126010600-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241126010600-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127030200-Marchjuly-20241126010600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a>:</span> I've never used iphone, but given their reputation, I think first you would need to upgrade, or buy some accessory. I'll post a serious answer in a few hours. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241127030200-Marchjuly-20241126010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127030200-Marchjuly-20241126010600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241127030200-Marchjuly-20241126010600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Automatic_search_for_red_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Automatic_search_for_red_links-20241125235900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Automatic_search_for_red_links-20241125235900"></span>Automatic search for red links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Automatic_search_for_red_links-20241125235900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900-Automatic_search_for_red_links"></span>Hello ! Anybody can say me if there are a way for an automatic search for red links ? </p><p>When I see an article with red links. If there are articles about the topic available in another language than English. <br/> I create an interlanguage link. </p><p>I'm unable to translate into English because I'm not a native speaker of this language and my translations could be too literal. <br/> I can translate from English into French but not the reverse. </p><p>Therefore , create an interlanguage link is a good beginning but I don't know if we can search these links with internal search engine of Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900-Automatic_search_for_red_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900-Automatic_search_for_red_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900-Automatic_search_for_red_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900"></span>You might ask any MediaWiki dev about your idea. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100"></span>Thanks for your answer ! <br/> <br/></dd> <dd>I don't know where to find a developper.</dd> <dd>I don't ever known where can I look to find one of them.</dd> <dd>Can you help me ? <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000"></span>See <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk" class="extiw" title="mw:Project:Support desk">mw:Project:Support desk</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"></span>Thanks you ! <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126022400-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a>:</span> You could try this in <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js" title="Special:MyPage/common.js">your common JavaScript</a> to search Wikidata for the page name you are on, also if it's a red link:</dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-javascript mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="nx">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">loader</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">using</span><span class="p">([</span><span class="s1">'mediawiki.util'</span><span class="p">],</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="kd">function</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">()</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">{</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="nx">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">util</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">addPortletLink</span><span class="p">(</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'p-tb'</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search='</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="o">+</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nb">encodeURIComponent</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nx">mw</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">config</span><span class="p">.</span><span class="nx">get</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="s1">'wgPageName'</span><span class="p">)</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">),</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'Wikidata search'</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'t-wikidatasearch'</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'Search the page name in Wikidata'</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="kc">null</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="s1">'#t-wikibase'</span> <span class="w"> </span><span class="p">);</span> <span class="p">});</span> </pre></div></dd> <dd>It may not find other spellings and scripts. On <a href="/w/index.php?title=Igor_Artemov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Igor Artemov (page does not exist)">Igor Artemov</a> it gives <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Igor_Artemov">Wikidata search</a> which finds <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q4070423" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/Q4070423">Igor Artemov <small>(Q4070423)</small></a>. On <a href="/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Saliy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alexander Saliy (page does not exist)">Alexander Saliy</a> it gives <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Alexander_Saliy">Wikidata search</a> which doesn't find <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q16335510" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/Q16335510">Aleksandr Salij <small>(Q16335510)</small></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241126022400-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126022400-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241126022400-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"></span>If I understood rightly. I create a page in my user's subpage <b>"Anatole-berthe/common.js"</b>.</dd> <dd><br/></dd> <dd>Then , I can create a subpage inside <b>"Anatole-berthe/common.js""</b> and for example I name it <b>"Finders"</b>.</dd> <dd><br/></dd> <dd>In <b>"Anatole-berthe/common.js/Finders"</b> I can create a subpage named <b>"redlinkfinder.js"</b>.</dd> <dd><br/></dd> <dd>When I'll go to <b>"Anatole-berthe/common.js/ScriptsJS/redlinkfinder.js"</b>. I'll be able to use the script if I copy and paste the code there.</dd> <dd><br/></dd> <dd>I'm not certain to understand if the script can be in the subpage of a subpage.</dd> <dd>I prefer to organise my <b>"Anatole-berthe/common.js"</b>. with subpages for a better organisation.</dd> <dd><br/></dd> <dd>I say you thanks because even if this script have the limits you exposed. It's better than nothing. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126140400-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a>:</span> I have made it a user script with installation instructions: <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata_search.js" title="User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js">User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241126140400-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241126140400-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241126140400-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128041900-PrimeHunter-20241126140400"></span>Thanks you ! I think I understood the basis.</dd> <dd>About the part : <div class="mw-highlight mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>importScript('User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js'); // Linkback: [[User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js]]</pre></div></dd> <dd>I understood than I need only to put this part in my <b>"Common.js"</b> that will be connected to your userpage.</dd> <dd>Am I right ? <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241128041900-PrimeHunter-20241126140400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128041900-PrimeHunter-20241126140400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128041900-PrimeHunter-20241126140400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sourcing_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sourcing_question-20241126140800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sourcing_question-20241126140800"></span>Sourcing question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sourcing_question-20241126140800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126140800-Sourcing_question"></span>In the article for <a href="/wiki/Walmart" title="Walmart">Walmart</a>, I wrote a sentence in the History section about them ending their DEI program and delisting gender affirming products for minors. I originally cited an ABC News article, but I found an article from the Associated Press, which I believe is a more reliable source when it comes to current events. As of my edit, both sources are there to back up my sentence but I kind of want to get rid of the ABC citation since AP is a better source. Should I get rid of it and leave the AP citation, or leave it alone with two citations? Additionally, to avoid any confusion in the future, does Wikipedia have some sort of tierlist or something for sources that ranks how accurate and reliable they are? I know we have one for bias, but I am not sure about accuracy. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126140800-Sourcing_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126140800-Sourcing_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126140800-Sourcing_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200-Sourcing_question"></span>Hi! If this is a problem, both sources, should be clear, as said by the reliability chart. I have placed some screenshots below to show you.</dd></dl> <p><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:ABC_news_reliability_list_1.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/ABC_news_reliability_list_1.png" decoding="async" width="833" height="65" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="833" data-file-height="65"/></a></span> <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AP_News_reliability_result_1.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/AP_News_reliability_result_1.png" decoding="async" width="835" height="86" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="835" data-file-height="86"/></a></span> I would suggest to keep both, but it all comes down to the reference. For the full list of common references, click <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources">here</a> Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200-Sourcing_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200-Sourcing_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200-Sourcing_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200"></span>Thank you. For future reference, is it a good idea to have multiple citations on a claim, especially one about a recent and/or controversial development? On the surface it sounds like it adds credibility to my statement but having too many sources might impact readability because of all the blue superscript numbers. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">User:ApteryxRainWing</a> I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walmart&diff=1259709496&oldid=1259690979">fixed your ABC News citation</a>. One consideration is whether readers can access one source better than another source when there are two equivalent ones you could use. That isn't relevant here, as both are live weblinks. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126175800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200"></span>Would website stability contribute to that factor? AP has a lot of ads that slow the site down but ABC runs smoothly even on my terrible chromebook <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar with me!!!</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126175800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126175800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126175800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alegh-20241127191300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"></span>You can bundle multiple references into a single super-scripted number with <a href="/wiki/Template:Multiref2" title="Template:Multiref2">Template:Multiref2</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Alegh" title="User:Alegh">Alegh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alegh" title="User talk:Alegh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Alegh-20241127191300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alegh-20241127191300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alegh-20241127191300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alegh-20241127192400-Alegh-20241127191300"></span>Made an edit there to bundle both references to a single number. This leaves both sources in case one is more accessible to a reader. You can re-order them if it makes a difference. Just change the 2 to a 1, and the 1 to a 2 for quick change. I think if you're missing #1, the template does not produce the desired result. <a href="/wiki/User:Alegh" title="User:Alegh">Alegh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alegh" title="User talk:Alegh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Alegh-20241127192400-Alegh-20241127191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alegh-20241127192400-Alegh-20241127191300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alegh-20241127192400-Alegh-20241127191300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="wikipedias_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-wikipedias_user-20241126160300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-wikipedias_user-20241126160300"></span>wikipedias user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-wikipedias_user-20241126160300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user"></span>whats Wikipedias user <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's unclear what exactly you're asking; can you please rephrase? <a href="/wiki/User:CoconutOctopus" title="User:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: purple">CoconutOctopus</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoconutOctopus" title="User talk:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: pink">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span>TheSmartWikiOne</a>, you have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/TheSmartWikiOne&target=TheSmartWikiOne&offset=&limit=250">used up a lot of the time of other editors</a> but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia. Please consider abandoning Wikipedia and taking up some alternative pursuit. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/TheSmartWikiOne"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"></span>xtools counter</a>. I recommend to be mindful of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a>. In the past, I've seen over-enthusiastic editors getting blocked for similar editing. You should spend more time on help building Wikipedia, and less time on user/user talk pages, or doing some other irrelevant activity. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"></span>But its time consuming am busy looking at houses <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Usernamekiran-20241127031600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"></span>no <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241128182700-Hoary-20241126220400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_and_other_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_and_other_templates-20241126163200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_and_other_templates-20241126163200"></span>About and other templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_and_other_templates-20241126163200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johsebb-20241126163200-About_and_other_templates"></span>In <a href="/wiki/Aliasing_(factorial_experiments)" title="Aliasing (factorial experiments)">aliasing (factorial experiments)</a>, I want to modify the headnote to read: <i>This article is about aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs. For other uses, see <a href="/wiki/Aliasing_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Aliasing (disambiguation)">Aliasing (disambiguation)</a>.</i> </p><p>If I try to do this using the "About" template, I get: <i>This article is about aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs. For other uses, see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Aliasing_(factorial_experiments)_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Aliasing (factorial experiments) (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Aliasing (factorial experiments) (disambiguation)</a>.</i> There is no such disambiguation page. I don't see a way to use extra arguments to do what I want. </p><p>The templates "Other uses" and "For" are not helpful here, either, and I'm assuming that I would need to write a unique headnote for this purpose. </p><p>I'd appreciate some assistance in this. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johsebb" title="User talk:Johsebb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Johsebb-20241126163200-About_and_other_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johsebb-20241126163200-About_and_other_templates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johsebb-20241126163200-About_and_other_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100-Johsebb-20241126163200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> What you need is <code>{{About|aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs|other uses, see|Aliasing (disambiguation)}}</code>. Copy/paste this directly from the rendered text, as you don't need the nowiki etc. you see in the source code. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100-Johsebb-20241126163200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100-Johsebb-20241126163200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100-Johsebb-20241126163200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241126221200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"></span>Is it reasonable that a reader would wind up at a page titled "aliasing (factorial experiments)" if they wanted some other meaning of the term "aliasing"? If not, then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HATNOTERULES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HATNOTERULES">WP:HATNOTERULES</a> #3 advises not to have a hatnote at all. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241126221200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241126221200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241126221200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johsebb-20241128022900-DMacks-20241126221200"></span>Actually, it is reasonable, so I think a hatnote is appropriate. I've used the one suggested by Mike Turnbull. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johsebb" title="User talk:Johsebb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Johsebb-20241128022900-DMacks-20241126221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johsebb-20241128022900-DMacks-20241126221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johsebb-20241128022900-DMacks-20241126221200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johsebb-20241128022800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"></span>Thanks, Mike! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johsebb" title="User talk:Johsebb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Johsebb-20241128022800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johsebb-20241128022800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johsebb-20241128022800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business." data-mw-thread-id="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"><span id="I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they.27re_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"></span>I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"></span>I do know that the user is actually contributing, or at least... it looks like it. I'm not really experienced enough to what to do from here. Can someone help me out? <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> Could you link what you're referencing for us? <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299</a></dd> <dd>As I said, I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be looking at... I'll get there someday :D <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> With cases of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPAM">inserting inappropriate external links or advertising</a>, you should either alert someone to the issue as you've done here, or, if you feel comfortable, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVERT">revert the edit</a> and apply a notice to the user's talk page, as I've done <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lapiha6410" title="User talk:Lapiha6410">here</a>.</dd> <dd>You can do this far easier with things like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">Twinkle</a>, which you should have access to. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"></span>Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"><span id="Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_.22Edit.22_and_other_times_show_.22Edit_Source.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"></span>Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"></span>Its annoying for my 2 braincells, since I'm horrible at source editing, but it always shows up, unless for suggested edits. Is there a way to toggle this? <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a>, are you having this problem on article pages or only elsewhere? There is no Visual Editor support for talk pages, for example, so it's only edit source available there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"></span>article pages <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"></span>Ok, go to Preferences --> Editing --> Editor --> Editing mode. Make sure this is set to "always give me the Visual Editor if possible". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span>thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span>Thank you too, @<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>. This is helpful for me too. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Augnablik-20241130145500-Asilvering-20241126195200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?-20241126185000"><span id="Is_enough_info_for_an_article.2Fstub.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?-20241126185000"></span>Is enough info for an article/stub?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?-20241126185000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241126185000-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?"></span>Hey Teahouse! I have some question regarding an article I'm debating on creating. </p><p>The article I am debating is on the effects of <a href="/wiki/Millennium_Force" title="Millennium Force">Millennium Force</a>, particularly in the station and queue. Throughout the main article on Millennium Force, there are some references and notes regarding station effects and history, a lot of which was added by me. However, that only scratches the surface of what there actually is and has been. I'm just unsure as to whether it fits in the main article, and I believe I could create a sub-article of sorts explaining the information in a much, much better way than there is now. </p><p>For example, under the "station" heading, a note is mentioned about 3 sets of dispatch audio. It had citations to the audio and the fact that there may be more, but that's it. In reality, those audio sets have a deeper history, such as the decade old promos that they came in. </p><p>This is prevalent again with the in-station projectors. I mentioned that they had been brought back in a new but limited fashion, but didn't get to touch on the history of them, or why they weren't even working on the time. (I even emailed Cedar Point's spokesperson regarding this and got a good answer with info!) </p><p>There is just so much interesting and deep history regarding the queue, station, and cable lift effects that don't get mentioned at all in the main article. I have and can get more citations for all of the info, but I just don't know if it would qualify for Wikipedia. Like would I have to take some existing information regarding the effects from the main page? Or could there be some brief info on the main page with all of the in-depth info on a "sub-page"? </p><p>I would love some feedback on this! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126185000-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241126185000-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241126185000-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126191400-Therguy10-20241126185000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a>, it sounds to me like this is the kind of thing you can add to the main article, rather than something that ought to be added as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPINOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPINOUT">WP:SPINOUT</a>. In general, the way this kind of thing is approached is by working directly in the "parent" article and only spinning out if it gets too long or overdetailed. Regarding emailing CP's spokesperson, did they send you to some resource online, or did they just answer your questions directly? Unfortunately, since personal communication isn't externally verifiable (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>), we can't use it on Wikipedia. But if you can find that information in reliable sources (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>), you're good to go. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126191400-Therguy10-20241126185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126191400-Therguy10-20241126185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126191400-Therguy10-20241126185000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241126192800-Asilvering-20241126191400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> The email I received confirmed what I had suspected with already reputable sources, but I wanted to be 100% sure before adding anything to Wikipedia because no official announcement was made about it. Tony Clark (the spokesperson) just gave me additional details; things that I had already gathered but was happy to hear confirmed. (You can actually email him yourself if you need more verification)</dd> <dd>And as far as adding the information I have goes, if I typed up an article draft of every single bit of info, (with all of the reputable sources and citations, of course) and then added it to your talk page, maybe you could you review it and decide whether or not it should go into the main article or spin-off? Or is there anyone else I could find help with? I'm comfortable with either option in adding to the main article or to a spin-off, but I'd hate to gather up all of my sources and citations just for it to be undone.</dd> <dd>(If that's something you can't do that is <b>totally fine!</b> I don't <i>expect</i> help lol) I appreciate your help already! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126192800-Asilvering-20241126191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241126192800-Asilvering-20241126191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241126192800-Asilvering-20241126191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-Therguy10-20241126192800"></span>It's really hard to review drafts on a talk page, so please don't paste it there (also, my talk page is kinda long so that will be extra annoying). My advice would be to work directly in the article, but not to make all of your changes in one go. Add a paragraph or maybe only a couple of sentences at a time, and see how that goes. That's easier for other editors to review, and will be less disappointing to you if someone objects to your additions. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126193800-Therguy10-20241126192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-Therguy10-20241126192800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-Therguy10-20241126192800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241126194200-Asilvering-20241126193800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> Got it! I'll try to start on that at some point in the near future. I really appreciate this feedback so thank you very very much! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126194200-Asilvering-20241126193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241126194200-Asilvering-20241126193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241126194200-Asilvering-20241126193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126195000-Therguy10-20241126194200"></span>I should warn you that, because that is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">Featured Article</a>, you may receive some pushback for changing it, simply because you're changing it. If that happens, just know that it's not about you. Come back here for more advice and we can help you untangle whatever happens. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126195000-Therguy10-20241126194200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126195000-Therguy10-20241126194200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126195000-Therguy10-20241126194200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241126195700-Asilvering-20241126195000"></span>Thanks; I didn't even think about that. If something arises I'll try to come back to the Teahouse. <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126195700-Asilvering-20241126195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241126195700-Asilvering-20241126195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241126195700-Asilvering-20241126195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241126225100-Therguy10-20241126195700"></span>According to View history, the article has 95 'Watchers' who purportedly check on their Watchlist every time they log in (albeit many are likely no longer active editors or Watchers). The Talk page of the article is a better place for discussion if reverted. On a more general note, pot3ential content can be true and reference-verifiable but not seen as improving the article. See the essay <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fancruft" title="Wikipedia:Fancruft">Wikipedia:Fancruft</a> for thoughts on this. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241126225100-Therguy10-20241126195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241126225100-Therguy10-20241126195700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241126225100-Therguy10-20241126195700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_finding_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_finding_template-20241126191900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_finding_template-20241126191900"></span>Help finding template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_finding_template-20241126191900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900-Help_finding_template"></span>I need the template for an unsourced information tag <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900-Help_finding_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900-Help_finding_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900-Help_finding_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> <a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">Template:Citation needed</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000"></span>Yes! Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400"></span>Wait nevermind @<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a></dd> <dd>I need the warning template, sorry <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> Oh, the actual warning template for adding unsourced information? That's at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WARNINGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WARNINGS">WP:WARNINGS</a> > multi-level templates > "Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material" <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126193500-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900"></span>Thank you again for the help <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126193500-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126193500-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126193500-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a>, if you enable <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">WP:TWINKLE</a> in your user preferences, you can automate leaving user warnings. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126193800-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126193800-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Using_a_book_reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Using_a_book_reference-20241126213500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Using_a_book_reference-20241126213500"></span>Using a book reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Using_a_book_reference-20241126213500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500-Using_a_book_reference"></span>Hi there. I have a question about using a book as a reference in my draft. The book is named "Valiant: Many Hands, One Vision" published by Walkerville Publishing in 2009. We have an ISBN - I can provide if necessary. However, the book is not available to the public, and you can't purchase it online. If you search for the book you can only see the cover, but it is not being sold anywhere. Can I use this source if other editors can't verify the information in the book? </p><p>We have the PDF of the book. Would it work if we published this PDF on our website, then include the URL in the book citation? <a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AliceMaiAnh" title="User talk:AliceMaiAnh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500-Using_a_book_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500-Using_a_book_reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500-Using_a_book_reference"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241126220900-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"></span>AliceMaiAnh</a>, why do you say "we"? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241126220900-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241126220900-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241126220900-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarryGrandma-20241126224600-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a>, I assume you are working for the company and they are willing to put it on their website. It depends on if the company owns the copyright to this privately published book. It would be easier just to have some company history on the website to use as a source for facts. The bigger issue is finding sources that are completely independent of the company in order to show that it is notable enough, that is well-enough-known, to have a Wikipedia article. Currently all your references appear to be based on press releases. <a href="/wiki/User:StarryGrandma" title="User:StarryGrandma">StarryGrandma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarryGrandma" title="User talk:StarryGrandma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StarryGrandma-20241126224600-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarryGrandma-20241126224600-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarryGrandma-20241126224600-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241127034500-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"></span>AliceMaiAnh</a>, Walkerville Publishing is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUB">self publishing company</a>. It is highly unlikely that this is a reliable source for use on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241127034500-StarryGrandma-20241126224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241127034500-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241127034500-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241127112300-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"></span>Another thing: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.walkerville.com/about-us">This page of Walkerville's</a> lists "Valiant: Many Hands, One Vision, with Marty Solcz". <a href="/wiki/Draft:Valiant_TMS" title="Draft:Valiant TMS">Draft:Valiant TMS</a> tells us "Founder[:] Michael G. Solcz". And so as well as probably having little or none of the checks imposed by a traditional publisher, it appears to be co-written (or perhaps even written) by somebody with a COI. All in all, publication of the PDF on the company website (or anywhere else) wouldn't help. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241127112300-StarryGrandma-20241126224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241127112300-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241127112300-StarryGrandma-20241126224600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate-20241127003200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate-20241127003200"></span>My edit got reverted despite it being accurate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate-20241127003200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elijahjb306-20241127003200-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate"></span>Hello, my edit got reverted despite it being accurate. The edit being "To Pimp A Butterfly was met with universal acclaim" on Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp A Butterfly" due to it being the highest rated album on "RateYourMusic" and it indicating universal acclaim on "Metacritic", so now i'm just wondering on why it got reverted since i think it's completely accurate? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elijahjb306&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elijahjb306 (page does not exist)">Elijahjb306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elijahjb306" title="User talk:Elijahjb306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Elijahjb306-20241127003200-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elijahjb306-20241127003200-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elijahjb306-20241127003200-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127005800-Elijahjb306-20241127003200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elijahjb306&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elijahjb306 (page does not exist)">Elijahjb306</a>, the article <i>already</i> said "universal acclaim" when you made the changes. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241127005800-Elijahjb306-20241127003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127005800-Elijahjb306-20241127003200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127005800-Elijahjb306-20241127003200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)" data-mw-thread-id="h-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)-20241127054200"><span id="AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_.28adding_links_between_articles.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)-20241127054200"></span>AI Aided Suggested Edits (adding links between articles)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)-20241127054200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sushidude21!-20241127054200-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)"></span>Yesterday on my suggested edits I had on these AI suggested ones (e.g. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quartz_crystal_microbalance_with_dissipation_monitoring&diff=prev&oldid=1259648652">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quartz_crystal_microbalance_with_dissipation_monitoring&diff=prev&oldid=1259648652</a>) for adding links between articles and now they're gone. (See <a class="external free" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks#s-link">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks#s-link</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushidude21!" title="User talk:Sushidude21!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sushidude21!-20241127054200-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sushidude21!-20241127054200-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sushidude21!-20241127054200-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127063100-Sushidude21!-20241127054200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a>, I'll ping you into a discussion where someone should be able to answer that question. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241127063100-Sushidude21!-20241127054200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127063100-Sushidude21!-20241127054200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127063100-Sushidude21!-20241127054200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"></span>Need advice on improving this draft.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft.-20241127071400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."></span>Hello, I’m seeking guidance on how to improve this draft. It has been rejected multiple times for reading like an advertisement. I’ve made several attempts to rewrite it with a more neutral tone, but I’m struggling to get it approved. To me, it seems neutral, but I may be missing something. Could anyone point out specific sentences or sections that come across as promotional? I would really appreciate your feedback so I can make the necessary edits. Here’s the draft: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Commercialindustrial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Commercialindustrial (page does not exist)">Commercialindustrial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commercialindustrial" title="User talk:Commercialindustrial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400-Need_advice_on_improving_this_draft."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span>You need to stop. The article you made is too <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTIONAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTIONAL">WP:PROMOTIONAL</a>. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400-Commercialindustrial-20241127071400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"></span>To be fair to Commercialindustrial, <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a>, the reviewer who rejected the draft invited Commercialindustrial to come here and ask for advice. Commercialindustrial has asked, politely, for specifics; and has done so according to the invitation. Perhaps you'd care to tell them <i>how</i> the draft is too promotional. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241127112800-Ahri_Boy-20241127095400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"></span>The great majority of the content and references document financial activities of the business real estate company. While true and referenced, these are about the company's actions but not the company. If you really intend to try again, I agree with the Comments suggestion that all existing content be set aside and start over in the existing draft. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241127114500-Hoary-20241127112800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"></span>I will add that many of the references are press-release-like interviews with company executives. The Property portfolio needs to be deleted. Same for descriptions of the Master funds. Content on the three divisions is not referenced. The ESG section requires a ref other than Q. The awards list can stay, but minor awards do not contribute to establishing notability. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241127115200-David_notMD-20241127114500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="General_References" data-mw-thread-id="h-General_References-20241127125700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-General_References-20241127125700"></span>General References<span data-mw-comment-end="h-General_References-20241127125700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700-General_References"></span>Hello, how do I format general references into an article? My draft already has some in-line citations, but I would like to make my general references display properly. How do I insert them without getting the little bracketed number (the ones that look like this <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tezcatlipoca&diff=prev&oldid=1258396527">[1]</a> but smaller) in-line citations do? <a href="/wiki/User:AkiyamaKana" title="User:AkiyamaKana"><span style="color:royalblue">AkiyamaKana</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AkiyamaKana" title="User talk:AkiyamaKana"><span style="color:darkslateblue">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700-General_References" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700-General_References"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700-General_References"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241127145400-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AkiyamaKana" title="User:AkiyamaKana">AkiyamaKana</a> As far as I recall, general references aren't really needed (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GENREF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GENREF">WP:GENREF</a>), so I think it's better to change them to appropriate inline citations. <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm's Alternate Account</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm-alt" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Myrealnamm-alt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241127145400-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241127145400-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241127145400-AkiyamaKana-20241127125700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working-20241127143300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working-20241127143300"></span>Sandbox seems to be not working<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working-20241127143300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working"></span>Hello, I want to write a wikipedia article. I can't seem to get the sandbox to work. I want to write the article in the sandbox and then submit it for approval. Could anyone provide the exact URL or a link that is sure to help me write the article in the right place? Article_wizard seems to make a draft, but the draft is not in the Sandbox, is that correct? I want to write 2 articles. Can I have 2 or more articles in the Sandbox? Thank you for your help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SpecialistWikiEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SpecialistWikiEditor (page does not exist)">SpecialistWikiEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpecialistWikiEditor" title="User talk:SpecialistWikiEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300-Sandbox_seems_to_be_not_working"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241127144800-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"></span>I believe you may be conflating the general Sandbox, which is for everyone, with <i>your personal</i> sandbox, which is not. You can make as many concurrent items in your personal sandbox as you like, but items in the general Sandbox will likely be overwritten within minutes. Does that answer your question? <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241127144800-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241127144800-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241127144800-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shantavira-20241127145400-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SpecialistWikiEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SpecialistWikiEditor (page does not exist)">SpecialistWikiEditor</a> I stongly recommend you use the article wizard to create a draft article, rather than your sandbox, but you should see a link to your personal sandbox at the top of any Wikipedia page. You can create as many drafts as you wish. <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira" title="User talk:Shantavira"><sup>feed me</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20241127145400-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shantavira-20241127145400-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shantavira-20241127145400-SpecialistWikiEditor-20241127143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241127235400-Shantavira-20241127145400"></span>It appears you now have a draft at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Julien_Samuel_Roux" title="Draft:Julien Samuel Roux">Draft:Julien Samuel Roux</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241127235400-Shantavira-20241127145400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241127235400-Shantavira-20241127145400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241127235400-Shantavira-20241127145400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)-20241127151500"><span id="Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter.27s_Church_.28Mendota.2C_Minnesota.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)-20241127151500"></span>Image gallery centering at <a href="/wiki/Saint_Peter%27s_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)" title="Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)">Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)-20241127151500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)"></span>Hello, does anyone know why the second gallery in <a href="/wiki/Saint_Peter%27s_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)" title="Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)">Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)</a> is aligning slightly to the right rather than having the three images being centered? Is it trying to match the gallery above it for alignment? Thanks. ~<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r920966791">.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps{font-variant:small-caps}.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps-smaller{font-size:85%}</style><span class="smallcaps"><a href="/wiki/User:Darth_Stabro" title="User:Darth Stabro">Darth Stabro</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darth_Stabro" title="User talk:Darth Stabro">Talk</a><span class="nowrap"> </span>•<span class="nowrap"> </span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro" title="Special:Contributions/Darth Stabro">Contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500-Image_gallery_centering_at_Saint_Peter's_Church_(Mendota,_Minnesota)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500"></span>Nevermind - it's aligning normally now. ~<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r920966791"><span class="smallcaps"><a href="/wiki/User:Darth_Stabro" title="User:Darth Stabro">Darth Stabro</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darth_Stabro" title="User talk:Darth Stabro">Talk</a><span class="nowrap"> </span>•<span class="nowrap"> </span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro" title="Special:Contributions/Darth Stabro">Contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900-Darth_Stabro-20241127151500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241128064200-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Darth_Stabro" title="User:Darth Stabro">Darth Stabro</a>:</span> This is just my personal opinion. A better question ask might be to ask why is there even an image gallery needed in that article. Image galleries can, for sure, improve the quality of an article as explained in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GALLERY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GALLERY">WP:GALLERY</a>, but too many images can also overwhelm the text of an article, particularly a shorter article. Multiple images showing the church as it looked in during roughly same time period probably don't provide the reader with twice or thrice as much encyclopedic value as seeing one image of the church, and other images could probably be incorporated into sections of relevant article content to better establish context. There can be a tendency with respect to image galleries to keep adding more and more images because it tends to be easy edit to make, and many see it as a case of more always being better. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241128064200-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241128064200-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241128064200-Darth_Stabro-20241127153900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_Improvement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_Improvement-20241127152100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_Improvement-20241127152100"></span>Article Improvement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_Improvement-20241127152100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100-Article_Improvement"></span>Hi, Teahouse. I have been working on the article <a href="/wiki/Quinte_Health" title="Quinte Health">Quinte Health</a>. Would a list of the board of the directors be too much? Also, how does the article get reviewed on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_assessment" title="Wikipedia:Content assessment">Wikipedia:Content assessment</a> scale? Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100-Article_Improvement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100-Article_Improvement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100-Article_Improvement"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241127153700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100"></span>How many are the board of directors? You would want to be careful to avoid <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">WP:Wikipedia is not</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tesleemah-20241127153700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241127153700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241127153700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127152100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100-Tesleemah-20241127153700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a>, There are 16, that is probably too many names. Should I instead mention the 2 vice-presidents and just the chair of the board, for conciseness? <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100-Tesleemah-20241127153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100-Tesleemah-20241127153700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100-Tesleemah-20241127153700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241127154400-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"></span>That will be better, I guess. <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tesleemah-20241127154400-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241127154400-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241127154400-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a>, I found a list of all the vice-presidents, I assume that is too many; <ul><li>Stacey Daub, President & Chief Executive Officer</li> <li>Matthew Campbell, Vice President & Chief Transformation Officer</li> <li>Gina Johar, Vice President & Chief Digital Officer</li> <li>Dr. Colin MacPherson, Chief of Staff</li> <li>Lina Rinaldi, Vice President & Chief Nursing Executive</li> <li>Susan Rowe, Vice President, People & Communications</li> <li>Bill Tottle, Vice President & Chief Financial Officer</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> That's the sort of detail that appears on an organisation's own website, which is already linked in the infobox of the article. If any of these is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia then that might be justification for mentioning them somewhere in the text but otherwise I think it is non-encyclopaedic. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700-CF-501_Falcon-20241127154500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241127162300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a>I agree totally with @<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tesleemah-20241127162300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241127162300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241127162300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127180900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a>, Thank you so much. I will leave it out then. Have a great day! <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127180900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127180900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241127180900-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?-20241127154200"><span id="What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn.27t_reveal_so.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?-20241127154200"></span>What if someone with a COI doesn't reveal so?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?-20241127154200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randomdude121-20241127154200-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"></span>What if someone with a Conflict of Interest to a subject writes about it but fails to or deliberately doesn't mention about it in their user page? <a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randomdude121" title="User talk:Randomdude121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Randomdude121-20241127154200-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randomdude121-20241127154200-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randomdude121-20241127154200-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100-Randomdude121-20241127154200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a> There is detailed advice about this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COICOIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COICOIN">WP:COICOIN</a> and the links given there. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100-Randomdude121-20241127154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100-Randomdude121-20241127154200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100-Randomdude121-20241127154200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randomdude121-20241127160300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100"></span>How would someone know if the editor has an undisclosed COI? <a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randomdude121" title="User talk:Randomdude121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Randomdude121-20241127160300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randomdude121-20241127160300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randomdude121-20241127160300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800-Randomdude121-20241127160300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a> From the evidence. I assume you were asking because you thought you had such evidence. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800-Randomdude121-20241127160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800-Randomdude121-20241127160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800-Randomdude121-20241127160300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128044500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800"></span>Typically, if someone's not willing to disclose that they have a COI, there are other issues with the quality of their edits as well. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128044500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128044500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128044500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241127160800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241128061500-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a>:</span> You can't force someone to disclose they have a COI; moreover, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a> is a guideline that users with a COI are encouraged to follow, but they're not required to do so. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAID">Undisclosed paid editing</a> is a violation of Wikipedia's Terms of Use, and such editing can lead to an account being blocked because disclosure is required by Wikipedia policy. So, if you suspect an editor of having an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:APPARENTCOI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:APPARENTCOI">WP:APPARENTCOI</a>, you can follow the guidance given in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI#How_to_handle_conflicts_of_interest" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI#How to handle conflicts of interest</a> and encourage the editor to be as transparent as possible about any connection they might have with the subject because doing so will make it not only easier for others to help them, but more than likely make others want to try to help them. You don't want to come down like a ton of bricks on the other editor, at least not right at the beginning of your interaction with them, but instead make them aware of Wikipedia's concerns about COI editing and ask them to try to follow the COI guidelines. If they don't and their edits are otherwise no problem per relevant policies and guidelines, there's no really need to push the matter COI any further. It's only when someone with a COI starts making inappropriate edits that their COI tends to become a problem; in such cases, their problematic edits can be dealt with in the same way as problem edits made by any other editor. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241128061500-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241128061500-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241128061500-What_if_someone_with_a_COI_doesn't_reveal_so?"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randomdude121-20241128164700-Marchjuly-20241128061500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> I was just curious.</dd> <dd>Thanks to the both of you! <a href="/wiki/User:Randomdude121" title="User:Randomdude121">Randomdude121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randomdude121" title="User talk:Randomdude121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Randomdude121-20241128164700-Marchjuly-20241128061500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randomdude121-20241128164700-Marchjuly-20241128061500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randomdude121-20241128164700-Marchjuly-20241128061500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?-20241127154600"><span id="Is_there_a_.22third_opinion.22_for_conduct_disputes.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?-20241127154600"></span>Is there a "third opinion" for conduct disputes?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?-20241127154600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?"></span>Say there's a conduct issue that I tried (possibly badly) discussing with the user and didn't manage to convince them that it's an issue, the issue also didn't improve but it also seems too minor-ish for ANI... is there an alternative step that isn't the drama board? Is there a way I can ask a third, neutral, opinion? – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0">2804:F1...02:ACA0</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32">::/32</a>) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600-Is_there_a_"third_opinion"_for_conduct_disputes?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-20241127154800-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600"></span>Yes, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:THIRDOPINION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:THIRDOPINION">WP:THIRDOPINION</a>. You could also try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">dispute resolution</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ivanvector-20241127154800-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-20241127154800-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-20241127154800-2804:F14:80E0:B901:C6F:24FD:1602:ACA0-20241127154600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel-20241127160000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel-20241127160000"></span>Can I make graphs on Excel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel-20241127160000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-N1TH_Music-20241127160000-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel"></span>I’ve been reading <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphs_and_charts" title="Wikipedia:Graphs and charts">WP:Graphs and Charts</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_charts_for_Wikipedia_articles" title="Wikipedia:How to create charts for Wikipedia articles">WP:How to create charts for Wikipedia articles</a> and it’s all quite confusing and I’m now wondering can I create graphs on excel following the guidelines listed on “How to create charts for Wikipedia” and then upload those to commons or is that classed as copyright infringement. I really don’t know if that’s okay or not and I’d prefer to find out before trying it. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:N1TH_Music" title="User talk:N1TH Music">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-N1TH_Music-20241127160000-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-N1TH_Music-20241127160000-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-N1TH_Music-20241127160000-Can_I_make_graphs_on_Excel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241127173800-N1TH_Music-20241127160000"></span>You are welcome to create graphs from scratch in Excel or other programs and upload them to commons. Because you are the creator, you can declare whatever license you like (though only files with open licenses would be allowed). Be sure you cite the source of your data. Unlike creative graphical works or writings, pure data cannot be copyrighted, so your graph would not be infringing on the publication that contains the data you used (assuming you are not literally recreating the same graphs that publication has). <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241127173800-N1TH_Music-20241127160000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241127173800-N1TH_Music-20241127160000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241127173800-N1TH_Music-20241127160000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-N1TH_Music-20241127184400-DMacks-20241127173800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> What exactly do you mean by "cite my data"? <a href="/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:N1TH_Music" title="User talk:N1TH Music">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-N1TH_Music-20241127184400-DMacks-20241127173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-N1TH_Music-20241127184400-DMacks-20241127173800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-N1TH_Music-20241127184400-DMacks-20241127173800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241127202900-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"></span>What is the origin of the data you are graphing? Did you get it from a newspaper, a journal article, generate it by a math equation, make it up yourself, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241127202900-N1TH_Music-20241127184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241127202900-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241127202900-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241128062800-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:N1TH_Music" title="User:N1TH Music">N1TH Music</a>. Copyright issues aside, your graphs shouldn't be a way for you to incoporate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">your own personal research</a> into an article. So, if you're going to create a graph based on your own personally accumulated data, then others are most likely not going to want that in the article unless <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">you're a really well-established content expert who is recognized as such by reliable sources</a>. At the same time, if you're going to use data from a third-party source, you should make sure that source is considered reliable for Wikipedia's purposes and clearly say where the data comes from. You might be able to upload your graph to Commons because Commons is mainly considered with the copyright status of the content it hosts and not so much how such content ends up being used; Wikipedia, on the other hand, is equally concerned about both, and there's no guarantee it will end up being used in Wikipedia if others feel it adds no or just very little encyclopedic value to an article. In other words, you may have seek a consensus on the article's talk page to add the graph if someone feels it's not really an improvement. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241128062800-N1TH_Music-20241127184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241128062800-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241128062800-N1TH_Music-20241127184400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks-20241127174600"><span id="Hii.2C_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks-20241127174600"></span>Hii, I have doubt on blocks and unblocks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks-20241127174600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks"></span>at this <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation/Archive_1#Pulled_back">[2]</a> a user got blocked for being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> but I am of view that merely because the person expressed unpopular opinion there, he should not get blocked from editing as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERENORMS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERENORMS">WP:NOTHERENORMS</a> - Expressing unpopular opinions in a non-disruptive manner - </p><p><br/> </p> <ul><li>How or where do I see discussion on the block and</li> <li>Is it possible that admins review it because I (unrelated person) raise doubt over a block (want to know irrespective of this block)? <span class="ShoeSig"><a href="/wiki/User:Ankraj_giri" title="User:Ankraj giri">`~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨</a>( <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ankraj_giri" title="Special:Contributions/Ankraj giri">C</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ankraj_giri" title="User talk:Ankraj giri">Talk</a> )</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600-Hii,_I_have_doubt_on_blocks_and_unblocks"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127181700-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ankraj_giri" title="User:Ankraj giri">Ankraj giri</a>, I hear you about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> blocks. I really don't like them, myself. You can always go ask the blocking admin about this kind of thing, but I'm not sure I'd suggest that a new editor do that. In this case, though, I can understand this block pretty well, so I'll explain it: this person was never at any point engaged in what we're all trying to do here, which is "building an encyclopedia". Look at their contribution history - all they ever did was talk about this one issue. Wikipedia isn't a forum for discussion. Established editors say things like "no IPs should be allowed to edit wikipedia" all the time and don't get blocked for it; saying that isn't a problem. Wasting everyone's time <i>is</i>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241127181700-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127181700-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127181700-Ankraj_giri-20241127174600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600-Asilvering-20241127181700"></span>I wanted to argue if as long as the person is not harming Wikipedia, vandal edits or edit battles then should they not be allowed to stay on the site. I myself have limited time, I got free just yesterday and thought I would roam around wiki only to find a burning forest here. I wish best for editors and wiki, good luck! I just hope that the day when I get blocked its not without me being heard :-) Thanks for response as always TeaHouse is best place to come! <span class="ShoeSig"><a href="/wiki/User:Ankraj_giri" title="User:Ankraj giri">`~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨</a>( <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ankraj_giri" title="Special:Contributions/Ankraj giri">C</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ankraj_giri" title="User talk:Ankraj giri">Talk</a> )</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600-Asilvering-20241127181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600-Asilvering-20241127181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600-Asilvering-20241127181700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-20241127183900-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600"></span>If you get blocked, you can appeal through various means, principally on your talk page. An independent administrator will review the decision. The process is mentioned on that blocked user's talk page, and they get more details when or if they try to edit again. The 'community' doesn't really entertain unblock appeals from third parties, since we always need to discuss things with the original blocked user. However, you as a third party are allowed to question the blocking administrator and ask them to review their decision, by visiting their talk page. There's also nothing stopping you in principle from urging the blocked user to appeal, on their talk page. I'm not recommending either here, in fact I'd probably recommend against both; I'm just explaining the process. The short answer if that if a user wants to appeal they have plenty of opportunity to do that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Zzuuzz-20241127183900-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-20241127183900-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-20241127183900-Ankraj_giri-20241127182600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300-Zzuuzz-20241127183900"></span>Ohh I read block period as indefinite so I thought the user can never appeal or write anything on wiki again, Learning, Thanks :) <span class="ShoeSig"><a href="/wiki/User:Ankraj_giri" title="User:Ankraj giri">`~ᴀɴᴋʀᴀᴊ ɢɪʀɪ🎇✨</a>( <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ankraj_giri" title="Special:Contributions/Ankraj giri">C</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ankraj_giri" title="User talk:Ankraj giri">Talk</a> )</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300-Zzuuzz-20241127183900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300-Zzuuzz-20241127183900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300-Zzuuzz-20241127183900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127185600-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300"></span>"Indefinite" means there's no fixed end time, but that also means that a block can be very short - it's basically "forever, or until you successfully appeal". In some ways it's less harsh than a block for a month or so, since you're not terribly likely to be let out of a time-limited block early, but you can be let out of an indef as soon as you've satisfied an admin at unblock appeals that you don't need to be blocked anymore. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241127185600-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127185600-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127185600-Ankraj_giri-20241127185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241128093600-Asilvering-20241127185600"></span>I am an adminstrator who has issued quite a few <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a> blocks. For me, a typical example is an editor who has registered a profane, trolling sexualized username and then sets out on a campaign of profane, trolling sexualized vandalism. Either policy violation deserves an indefinite block but how do I choose between one or the other? I will block for NOTHERE and note the two (or more) reasons in the block log. Often, violations of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> policy are involved as well. In my personal practice, I want to see two or more policy violations to use NOTHERE. Without delving too deeply into the specifics of this case, evaluating which pattern of editing is disruptive and blockable is the job of an adminstrator using their discretion and good judgment, and if another adminstrator decides that unrelenting axe-grinding is enough for a NOTHERE block, then I will not object to the label applied to that block. Quibbling about the specific block reason of a justified block is not a good use of volunteer time. Any editor who sincerely believes that they have been blocked unfairly, or that they have repented, is free to file an appeal which will be reviewed by another administrator. If I believe that my concerns have been adequately addressed, I never object to the unblock. But feeding trolls is a bad idea. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241128093600-Asilvering-20241127185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241128093600-Asilvering-20241127185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241128093600-Asilvering-20241127185600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I'm_not_interested_in_editing." data-mw-thread-id="h-I'm_not_interested_in_editing.-20241127203300"><span id="I.27m_not_interested_in_editing."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I'm_not_interested_in_editing.-20241127203300"></span>I'm not interested in editing.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I'm_not_interested_in_editing.-20241127203300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300-I'm_not_interested_in_editing."></span>I'm not interested in editing. So I don't want all these pages that have to do with editing. I just want to do searches. And I couldn't find anyplace where to do it. I created an account as I thought that was the only way to do searches only to find that the magnifying glass icon is for searches and it was there all along. But in the meantime I have all these pages having to do with editing, is there a way to get rid of them? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Terry_W_Ryder&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Terry W Ryder (page does not exist)">Terry W Ryder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Terry_W_Ryder" title="User talk:Terry W Ryder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300-I'm_not_interested_in_editing." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300-I'm_not_interested_in_editing."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300-I'm_not_interested_in_editing."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241127205100-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Terry_W_Ryder&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Terry W Ryder (page does not exist)">Terry W Ryder</a>:</span> Just sign out and abandon the account. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241127205100-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241127205100-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241127205100-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241127222900-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"></span>Hi! Even if you don't intend to edit, an account may help you use Wikipedia without having to see fundraising banners. I can't be certain what pages having to do with editing you refer to, but I'm guessing one of them is the newcomer homepage. You can disable the newcomer homepage and related features in your preferences > user profile at the very bottom. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241127222900-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241127222900-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241127222900-Terry_W_Ryder-20241127203300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show_password"_button?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show-20241128021400"><span id="Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_.22Show_password.22_button.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show-20241128021400"></span>Technical question: is there a reason why at <a href="/wiki/Special:UserLogin" title="Special:UserLogin">Special:UserLogin</a> there is no "Show password" button?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show-20241128021400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241128021400-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show"></span>Hello. When logging in, I noticed that there is no "Show password" button when doing so. I do realize that this may be due to several reasons, namely: 1) it would be unwise to have someone peer over your shoulder in a vulnerable café table as you enter your password, and 2) perhaps MediaWiki hasn't accomodated for this feature yet. Could someone let me know why this so, and would it be wise to implement this in the near future? Thanks.<span id="3PPYB6:1732760066276:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241128021400-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241128021400-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241128021400-Technical_question:_is_there_a_reason_why_at_Special:UserLogin_there_is_no_"Show"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128052200-3PPYB6-20241128021400"></span>Highly unadvisable. Recommended to use a password manager instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241128052200-3PPYB6-20241128021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128052200-3PPYB6-20241128021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128052200-3PPYB6-20241128021400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-20241128052500-3PPYB6-20241128021400"></span>Also see <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164189" class="extiw" title="phab:T164189">phab:T164189</a> (2017). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Zzuuzz-20241128052500-3PPYB6-20241128021400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-20241128052500-3PPYB6-20241128021400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-20241128052500-3PPYB6-20241128021400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400-Zzuuzz-20241128052500"></span>Thanks zzuzzz. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400-Zzuuzz-20241128052500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400-Zzuuzz-20241128052500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400-Zzuuzz-20241128052500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153200-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">Zzuuzz</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> – Thank you both. For one, yes, I do realize that using a password manager is simply more convenient in this case. The other thing is that when typing my password (I have it memorized) I was thinking exactly about <a href="/wiki/Special:GoToInterwiki/es:en:user:RexxS" title="Special:GoToInterwiki/es:en:user:RexxS">RexxS</a>' (hoping for his return) use case in that Phabricator ticket (obviously, I would never type it out in a café with the hypothetical password shown in thin air). I suppose I'll make do with what I have, though, as this is a relatively minor issue (at least for me).<span id="3PPYB6:1732807933603:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241128153200-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241128153200-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153200-Ahri_Boy-20241128054400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects-20241128074100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects-20241128074100"></span>Adding articles to Wikiprojects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects-20241128074100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects"></span>If I identify an article that is relevant to a WikiProject though it not listed there, how can I include it in the Wikiproject? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Le%C3%B3nGonsalvesofGoa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LeónGonsalvesofGoa (page does not exist)">LeónGonsalvesofGoa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Le%C3%B3nGonsalvesofGoa" title="User talk:LeónGonsalvesofGoa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100-Adding_articles_to_Wikiprojects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128095200-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100"></span>Put a WikiProject template to the article's talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241128095200-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128095200-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241128095200-LeónGonsalvesofGoa-20241128074100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Taco_wikilove" data-mw-thread-id="h-Taco_wikilove-20241128080100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Taco_wikilove-20241128080100"></span>Taco wikilove<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Taco_wikilove-20241128080100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iljhgtn-20241128080100-Taco_wikilove"></span>Will they ever update and add some new wikilove? Especially would be interested in a wikilove burrito and a wikilove taco. <a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iljhgtn" title="User talk:Iljhgtn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Iljhgtn-20241128080100-Taco_wikilove" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iljhgtn-20241128080100-Taco_wikilove"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iljhgtn-20241128080100-Taco_wikilove"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Midori_No_Sora-20241128082100-Iljhgtn-20241128080100"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove" title="Wikipedia:WikiLove">WikiLove</a> is mainly controlled be the community, so technically <i>anyone</i> can update it anytime. You can just create a "WikiLove Burrito or Taco" template and add it to the <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiLove_templates" title="Template:WikiLove templates">list</a> if you like. Cheers. 🛧<a href="/wiki/User:Midori_No_Sora" title="User:Midori No Sora"><span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;"><b>Midori No Sora♪</b></span></a>🛪 (<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Midori_No_Sora" title="User talk:Midori No Sora"><span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> <b>☁＝☁＝✈</b></span></a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Midori_No_Sora-20241128082100-Iljhgtn-20241128080100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Midori_No_Sora-20241128082100-Iljhgtn-20241128080100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Midori_No_Sora-20241128082100-Iljhgtn-20241128080100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page-20241128113900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page-20241128113900"></span>Altering incorrect information on a page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page-20241128113900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redhunter350-20241128113900-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page"></span>I am something of a Dinosaur when to come to IT Tech !! There is a page relating to a feature in my/our village with some total inaccurate information -- <a href="/wiki/Caton_Oak" title="Caton Oak">Caton Oak</a> a link maybe ? How do I alter it to make the info correct ? Don't want to mess it up !!! 1, It says the tree is routed in the River Lune - its not its close to 1 mile from the Lune -- it is situated in a Mill Race man made stream take from Artlebeck a tributary of the Lune. 2. It states the blacksmith used to set up his forge there - He did not the Forge /Blacksmiths shop was in Farriers Yard some 150yards away and backed onto the Croft drying grounds -- closer to the tree. By the Way I am now 80y lived in Caton all my life so did Dad and Grandad, I remember the forge, blacksmith, the carpenter next door, etc etc Hope someone can point me in the right direction Thanks John <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Redhunter350&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Redhunter350 (page does not exist)">Redhunter350</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Redhunter350&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Redhunter350 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Redhunter350-20241128113900-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redhunter350-20241128113900-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redhunter350-20241128113900-Altering_incorrect_information_on_a_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241128121000-Redhunter350-20241128113900"></span>What you know to be true is not evidence enough. It is not clear what reference verifies that the oak tree in question was "rooted in the River Lune", and so, perhaps, you could change that text to the mill race. As for your second point, reference #5 states that a blacksmith would set up near the tree, so you would need a better reference for where he did set up in order to justify removing mention of the blacksmith. Or else change the first and leave the second. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241128121000-Redhunter350-20241128113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241128121000-Redhunter350-20241128113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241128121000-Redhunter350-20241128113900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cyprus_military_ranks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span>Cyprus military ranks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span></h2></div> <p>I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NCO_and_other_ranks" data-mw-thread-id="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span>NCO and other ranks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NCO_and_other_ranks-Cyprus_military_ranks"></span></h3></div> <p>NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <table style="border:1px solid #8888aa; background-color:#f7f8ff; padding:5px; font-size:95%; margin: 0px 12px 12px 0px;"> <tbody><tr style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"> <th><a href="/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_NATO" title="Ranks and insignia of NATO">NATO code</a></th> <th colspan="6">OR-9</th> <th colspan="2">OR-8</th> <th colspan="2">OR-7</th> <th colspan="6">OR-6</th> <th colspan="6">OR-5</th> <th colspan="4">OR-4</th> <th colspan="2">OR-3</th> <th colspan="6">OR-2</th> <th colspan="2">OR-1 </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span class="flagicon"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" 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class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-06a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="136"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="3"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="59" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-06b.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="113"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-04a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-04b.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/50px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="52" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/75px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg/100px-Army-GRE-OR-03a.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="96" data-file-height="100"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>Arm/corps insignia only</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ανθυπασπιστής</span></span><sup id="cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Greek_Warrant-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Anthypaspistis</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Αρχιλοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Archilochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Επιλοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Epilochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Λοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Lochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Δεκανέας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Υποδεκανέας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypodekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Στρατιώτης</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Stratiotis</i></span> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span data-sort-value="Greece"><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/23px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/35px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/45px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="400"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Greece" title="Greece">Greece</a></span></b><br/><small><b>(Conscripts)</b></small> </td> <td colspan="6"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:GR-Army-OFD.svg" 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/70px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png" decoding="async" width="70" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/105px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg/140px-Army-GRE-%CE%A5%CE%95%CE%92.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="73" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>No insignia</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Officer_Designate" class="mw-redirect" title="Officer Designate">Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos</i></span><sup id="cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Greek_Warrant-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>a<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Sergeant" title="Sergeant">Λοχίας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Lochias</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Corporal" title="Corporal">Δεκανέας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Dekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Lance_Corporal" class="mw-redirect" title="Lance Corporal">Υποδεκανέας</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypodekaneas</i></span> </td> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Private_first_class" title="Private first class">Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el"><a href="/wiki/Private_(rank)" title="Private (rank)">Στρατιώτης</a></span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Stratiotis</i></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output 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Retrieved <span class="nowrap">26 May</span> 2021</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=army.gr&rft.atitle=%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AC+%CE%A6%2F%CE%A0+%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BB%CF%8E%CE%BD+%CE%A5%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BE%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8E%CE%BD+%CE%91%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CE%AF%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD+%CE%A3%CE%9C%CE%A5&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.army.gr%2Fel%2Fpolymesa%2Fdiakritika&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Other_ranks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_ranks-20241128132200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_ranks-20241128132200"></span>Other ranks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_ranks-20241128132200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asd3131-20241128132200-Other_ranks"></span>The rank insignia of <a href="/wiki/Non-commissioned_officer" title="Non-commissioned officer">non-commissioned officers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Enlisted_rank" title="Enlisted rank">enlisted personnel</a>. </p> <table style="border:1px solid #8888aa; background-color:#f7f8ff; padding:5px; font-size:95%; margin: 0px 12px 12px 0px;"> <tbody><tr style="background-color:#CCCCCC; color:inherit; text-align:center; width: 100%"> <th>Rank group </th> <th colspan="22">Senior NCOs </th> <th colspan="6">Junior NCOs </th> <th colspan="8">Enlisted </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/23px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/35px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/46px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="800"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Cypriot_Ground_Forces" class="mw-redirect" title="Cypriot Ground Forces">Cypriot Ground Forces</a></b><sup id="cite_ref-Cyprus_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Cyprus-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><br/><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239400231"><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul class="navbar-brackets"><li class="nv-view"><a 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Epiloxias_Kypros.png/50px-Epiloxias_Kypros.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Epiloxias_Kypros.png/75px-Epiloxias_Kypros.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Epiloxias_Kypros.png/100px-Epiloxias_Kypros.png 2x" data-file-width="799" data-file-height="1279"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Loxias_Kypros.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Loxias_Kypros.png/50px-Loxias_Kypros.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="71" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Loxias_Kypros.png/75px-Loxias_Kypros.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Loxias_Kypros.png/100px-Loxias_Kypros.png 2x" data-file-width="799" data-file-height="1132"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png/50px-Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="71" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png/75px-Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png/100px-Syp_Loxias_Kypros.png 2x" data-file-width="799" data-file-height="1132"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Efedros_Loxias_Kypros.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Efedros_Loxias_Kypros.png/50px-Efedros_Loxias_Kypros.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Efedros_Loxias_Kypros.png/75px-Efedros_Loxias_Kypros.png 1.5x, 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png/50px-Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png/75px-Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png/100px-Strtis_Ypodekaneas_Kypros.png 2x" data-file-width="799" data-file-height="234"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>Arm/corps insignia only</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ανθυπασπιστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Anthypaspistís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Αρχιλοχίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Archilochías</i></span> </td> <td 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text"><i lang="el-Latn">Stratiótis</i></span> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/23px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/35px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/46px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="800"/></span></span> </span><a href="/wiki/Cyprus_Navy" title="Cyprus Navy">Cyprus Navy</a></b><sup id="cite_ref-Cyprus_4-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Cyprus-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup><br/><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><link 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data-file-height="120"/></a></span> </td> <td colspan="6" rowspan="2"> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>Arm/corps insignia only</b> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td colspan="6"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ανθυπασπιστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Anthypaspistís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Αρχικελευστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Archikelefstís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Επικελευστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Epikelefstís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Κελευστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Kelefstís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Έφεδρος Κελευστής</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Éfedros Kelefstís</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Δίοπος</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Díopos</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Υποδίοπος</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Ypodíopos</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ναύτης</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Náftis</i></span> </td></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td rowspan="2"><b><span class="flagicon"><span class="mw-image-border" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Cyprus.svg/23px-Flag_of_Cyprus.svg.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="15" class="mw-file-element" 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colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Αρχισμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Archisminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Επισμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Episminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Σμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Sminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Έφεδρος Σμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Éfedros Sminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="4"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Υποσμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Yposminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Ανθυποσμηνίας</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Anthyposminías</i></span> </td> <td colspan="2"><span title="Greek-language text"><span lang="el">Σμηνίτης</span></span><br/><span title="Greek-language text"><i lang="el-Latn">Sminítis</i></span> </td></tr> <tr style="color:inherit; background-color:#CCCCCC; text-align:center; width: 100%"> <th>Rank group </th> <th colspan="22">Senior NCOs </th> <th colspan="6">Junior NCOs </th> <th colspan="8">Enlisted </th></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-Greek_Warrant-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Greek_Warrant_3-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text">Greece has only one level of Warrant Officer. According to the current issue (2021) of STANAG 2116, the Greek Warrant Officers are included in OR-9, however they are afforded the privileges of an officer. See STANAG 2116 note 29, page D-9 </span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-Cyprus-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-Cyprus_4-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Cyprus_4-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Cyprus_4-2"><sup><i><b>c</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1 cs1-prop-foreign-lang-source"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.army.gov.cy/el/vathmoi">"Βαθμοί"</a> [Ranks]. <i>army.gov.cy</i> (in Greek). Cypriot National Guard<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">26 May</span> 2021</span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=army.gov.cy&rft.atitle=%CE%92%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%AF&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.army.gov.cy%2Fel%2Fvathmoi&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div> <p>any help it will be good to make it right (sergeant in cyprus have 3 variants. <a href="/wiki/User:Asd3131" title="User:Asd3131">Asd3131</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asd3131" title="User talk:Asd3131">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asd3131-20241128132200-Other_ranks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asd3131-20241128132200-Other_ranks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asd3131-20241128132200-Other_ranks"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241128143000-Other_ranks"></span>Teahouse is a place to ask general help questions, not as topic specific as Greek and Cyprus military rank emblems. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241128143000-Other_ranks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241128143000-Other_ranks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241128143000-Other_ranks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300-David_notMD-20241128143000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asd3131" title="User:Asd3131">Asd3131</a> Are you aware of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MIL">military history project</a>? Editors there are pretty active and if you post a link to this discussion on one of their Talk pages, they may be able to help. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300-David_notMD-20241128143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300-David_notMD-20241128143000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300-David_notMD-20241128143000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asd3131-20241128171400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300"></span>Dear, Michael</dd> <dd>thank you for answering my comment, i will post the same message as the above and i hope they help me make the visual correct, have a good day sir.</dd> <dd>Love,</dd> <dd>Paraskevas <a href="/wiki/User:Asd3131" title="User:Asd3131">Asd3131</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asd3131" title="User talk:Asd3131">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asd3131-20241128171400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asd3131-20241128171400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asd3131-20241128171400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128152300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_new_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_new_article-20241128150700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_new_article-20241128150700"></span>Help with new article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_new_article-20241128150700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Josephbwalton-20241128150700-Help_with_new_article"></span>Hello, </p><p>I am trying to successfully post an article drafted here: <a href="/wiki/Draft:Captain%27s_Compass" title="Draft:Captain's Compass">Draft:Captain's Compass</a> </p><p>I've worked that draft up since the initial rejection and any suggestions would be appreciated for helping me get it to the point of re-submission. </p><p>It was deleted from the List of Cocktails for having no page, so this seems like a key step. </p><p>Thank you, </p><p>Joe <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josephbwalton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josephbwalton (page does not exist)">Josephbwalton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Josephbwalton" title="User talk:Josephbwalton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Josephbwalton-20241128150700-Help_with_new_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Josephbwalton-20241128150700-Help_with_new_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Josephbwalton-20241128150700-Help_with_new_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241128151600-Josephbwalton-20241128150700"></span>Hello. The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means it may be resubmitted. Please see the advice left by the reviewer. Wikipedia is not a cookbook; Wikipedia articles summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>. I'm not really seeing a claim to notability in the draft- that a database includes this beverage does not confer notability unless you have independent sources that detail the significance of this. It's true that there must be an article to include it in the list article, but it must be notable. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241128151600-Josephbwalton-20241128150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241128151600-Josephbwalton-20241128150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241128151600-Josephbwalton-20241128150700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800-331dot-20241128151600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josephbwalton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josephbwalton (page does not exist)">Josephbwalton</a> You appear to be providing information which is essentially your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">own opinion and research</a> in the "Notes" section; that's unacceptable here. You cite sources for the ingredients but no source for the suggestion that these ingredients actually have been commented upon in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">secondary</a> sources as being part of this specific cocktail. Please read the linked pages carefully. My view is that you will not be able to show this cocktail is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">notable in the way that Wikipedia requires</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800-331dot-20241128151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800-331dot-20241128151600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800-331dot-20241128151600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241128160100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800"></span>After cutting what obviously does not belong in a cocktail article, there is not enough left to establish Wikipedia notability. Look at other cocktail articles to get ideas of what to incorporate - if references can be found (if not, abandon the effort). <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241128160100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241128160100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241128160100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241128151800"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241128160400-David_notMD-20241128160100"></span>COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT</b>: You claimed that the image is your own work, but it is copied from the copyright protected Kindred Cocktails website. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241128160400-David_notMD-20241128160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241128160400-David_notMD-20241128160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241128160400-David_notMD-20241128160100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"></span>Alternative to range block calculator<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator-20241128153000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"></span>I didn't realize that Fastily had maintained the IP range block calculator, an invaluable tool. Their departure from the project means that tool is not functional. Is anyone aware of 1.) suitable interim alternatives and 2.) discussions on the reintroduction of the tool? Best, ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbritti" title="User talk:Pbritti">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbritti-20241128153000-Alternative_to_range_block_calculator"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> – I was able to access Fastily's password-strength tool on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org">the Wayback Machine</a>. After checking for a couple seconds, I found out that web-crawlers successfully archived a version of <del>that</del> <ins>the rangeblock</ins> tool <ins>as well</ins> from 17 September 2024 (with all functionalities preserved surprisingly after testing it) <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240917173419/https://ftools.toolforge.org/general/ip-range-calc.html">here</a>. I doubt that Fastily changed their tools substantially in two months, so I think that should be a feasible interim solution. With regards to the reintroduction of the tool, I actually have no idea, and it would either A) be dependent on Fastily's return, or B) have someone else basically fork Fastily's software to another tool in toolforge.org. Thanks.<span id="3PPYB6:1732808199471:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241128153600-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a>:</span> Hi. I'm not sure if Teahouse regulars would be able to answer that question satisfactorily. The best venue seems to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">WP:VPT</a>. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241128153900-3PPYB6-20241128153600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"></span>Thank you both! <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a>:</span> That does have some incredible functionality for an archived version! ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Pbritti" title="User:Pbritti">Pbritti</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbritti" title="User talk:Pbritti">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbritti-20241128162500-Usernamekiran-20241128153900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span>New tool: <a class="external free" href="https://galaxybots.toolforge.org/iprangecalculator">https://galaxybots.toolforge.org/iprangecalculator</a> – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><span style="color:black"><b>DreamRimmer</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer"><b>talk</b></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20241129055700-Pbritti-20241128153000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span>Thanks! - <a href="/wiki/User:Ratnahastin" title="User:Ratnahastin"><span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ratnahastin" title="User talk:Ratnahastin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ratnahastin-20241129160500-DreamRimmer-20241129055700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster-20241128155500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster-20241128155500"></span>Help with uploading Tour Poster<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster-20241128155500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster"></span>Hi! I just made a page for a tour and I need help uploading a tour poster for it. The page is <a href="/wiki/Lana_Del_Rey_UK_and_Ireland_Tour_2025" title="Lana Del Rey UK and Ireland Tour 2025">Lana Del Rey UK and Ireland Tour 2025</a> and I’m really struggling with how to do it. If someone could help me that would be greatly appreciated!! TIA :) <a href="/wiki/User:Olivergrandeee" title="User:Olivergrandeee">Olivergrandeee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olivergrandeee" title="User talk:Olivergrandeee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500-Help_with_uploading_Tour_Poster"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241128180000-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500"></span>Don't bother unless is survives the AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241128180000-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241128180000-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241128180000-Olivergrandeee-20241128155500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it._What's_the_best_way_to_proceed_please?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it-20241128155500"><span id="Hello.2C_there.27s_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I.27d_like_to_remove_it._What.27s_the_best_way_to_proceed_please.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it-20241128155500"></span>Hello, there's a part of an article that is inaccurate and I'd like to remove it. What's the best way to proceed please?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it-20241128155500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it"></span>There is just a sentence at the end of an article that is not sourced nor accurate and I would like to fix it. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ga%C3%ABlle_Ibrahim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gaëlle Ibrahim (page does not exist)">Gaëlle Ibrahim</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ga%C3%ABlle_Ibrahim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Gaëlle Ibrahim (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500-Hello,_there's_a_part_of_an_article_that_is_inaccurate_and_I'd_like_to_remove_it"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3PPYB6-20241128160000-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ga%C3%ABlle_Ibrahim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gaëlle Ibrahim (page does not exist)">Gaëlle Ibrahim</a> – Could you provide me with the link to this article? In most cases, the simplest solution is to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOFIXIT">fix it yourself</a> (the sentence is not going to fix itself anyway). If the article is one you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PP">cannot edit</a>, most of the time you can request an edit on the article's respective <a href="/wiki/H:TP" class="mw-redirect" title="H:TP">talk page</a>. Just make sure if you are fixing it yourself that you make sure that the statement is indeed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a> with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> (for reference: a peer-reviewed research paper is reliable, a reputable news source is reliable, but a disinformation outlet or "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">I said it myself</a>" is not reliable).<span id="3PPYB6:1732809646743:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:3PPYB6" title="User:3PPYB6">3PPYB6</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3PPYB6" title="User talk:3PPYB6">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3PPYB6" title="Special:Contributions/3PPYB6">C</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/3PPYB6" title="Special:Log/3PPYB6">L</a>)</sup> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-3PPYB6-20241128160000-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3PPYB6-20241128160000-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3PPYB6-20241128160000-Gaëlle_Ibrahim-20241128155500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"><span id="What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"></span>What are the important project pages to get started with?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?-20241128172500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"></span>I never received a welcome message on my talk page, so what are the tips on using Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NicePrettyFlower" title="User talk:NicePrettyFlower">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500-What_are_the_important_project_pages_to_get_started_with?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"></span>One place to start is <a href="/wiki/Help:Getting_started" title="Help:Getting started">Help:Getting started</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fabrickator&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fabrickator (page does not exist)">Fabrickator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabrickator" title="User talk:Fabrickator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabrickator-20241128173700-NicePrettyFlower-20241128172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"></span>Thanks, I watchlisted it so whenever I am doing an act, I will read the article and it's linked ones so I can know what to do first. <a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NicePrettyFlower" title="User talk:NicePrettyFlower">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100-Fabrickator-20241128173700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NicePrettyFlower" title="User:NicePrettyFlower">NicePrettyFlower</a>:</span> I'm not sure about your expectation from watchlisting it. Watchlisting helps you identify recently-edited pages from a list you specify, so if you have numerous pages on your watchlist, the "GettingStarted" page won't necessarily be near the top. Perhaps more sensible to just set up a user page with bookmarks, then go to that page to see the bookmarked pages of interest. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fabrickator&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fabrickator (page does not exist)">Fabrickator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabrickator" title="User talk:Fabrickator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabrickator-20241130044500-NicePrettyFlower-20241128174100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rosemary_Jacobs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rosemary_Jacobs-20241128174900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rosemary_Jacobs-20241128174900"></span>Rosemary Jacobs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rosemary_Jacobs-20241128174900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tavantius-20241128174900-Rosemary_Jacobs"></span>I'm currently making an article on her (victim of colloidal silver) and have asked her for permission to use her image on it. However, if she allows it, what should I do next? <a href="/wiki/User:Tavantius" title="User:Tavantius">Tavantius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tavantius" title="User talk:Tavantius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tavantius-20241128174900-Rosemary_Jacobs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tavantius-20241128174900-Rosemary_Jacobs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tavantius-20241128174900-Rosemary_Jacobs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241128180500-Tavantius-20241128174900"></span>Hello. Note that the subject of a photo isn't necessarily the copyright holder- typically it's the photographer. Not that its wrong to ask the subject, just that the photographer needs to grant permission, unless they reassigned the copyright. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241128180500-Tavantius-20241128174900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241128180500-Tavantius-20241128174900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241128180500-Tavantius-20241128174900"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100-Tavantius-20241128174900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tavantius" title="User:Tavantius">Tavantius</a>:</span> You could show her <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:A_picture_of_you" title="Wikipedia:A picture of you">WP:A picture of you</a>. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100-Tavantius-20241128174900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100-Tavantius-20241128174900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100-Tavantius-20241128174900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241129202500-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100"></span>She is mentioned by name as a person who had permanent skin discoloration due to colloidal silver at the article <a href="/wiki/Argyria" title="Argyria">Argyria</a>. I see no potential for an article about her, even though other people with argyria have articles about them. Her activism against quackery medicine is probably not sufficient enough to justify an article either. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241129202500-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241129202500-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241129202500-Pigsonthewing-20241128200100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Query" data-mw-thread-id="h-Query-20241128183500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Query-20241128183500"></span>Query<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Query-20241128183500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500-Query"></span>I have 2 things to ask. First about the tags on talk page which is used to give the class to any article eg:stub class or start class. Can these classes be given only by user with any specific user right? If not, then how do we know and how do we use it or give it ourselves to any article. I saw many such articles which were expanded from stub class to start class or c class but they are haven't been updated there. So, I am really curious and it would be immensely helpful if I would have the knowledge myself of how and when to use those. </p><p>Secondly, there is a YouTuber named Nitish Rajput. He is very prominent in India. A year ago, a article was made about him but was deleted using PROD. May be at that time he wasn't notable. But then also in the deletion discussion then, some editors said that he might be notable after some time. Although, the article was then deleted. I want to ask and request the AfC reviewers out there, to check now if he's notable or not and would it be justified to create a draft on him and submit it for AfC. It takes a quiet long time to create any draft and article and so, it would be very helpful for me to know that it would be good to create a draft or not. <a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstuteFlicker" title="User talk:AstuteFlicker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500-Query" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500-Query"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500-Query"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241128184200-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a>, Hi. Have you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (people)">Wikipedia:Notability (people)</a> and the general <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a>? Those might help. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20241128184200-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241128184200-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20241128184200-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241128193800-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"></span>Regarding your first question, anyone can change the class from stub to something else if the article is no longer a stub. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241128193800-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241128193800-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241128193800-AstuteFlicker-20241128183500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"></span>Question about citing a blog post as a quote from an expert<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert-20241128185300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"></span>Is it okay to cite a blog post made by a notable expert (<a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a>) if it's explicitly mentioned that it's a quote? For example, I wrote the following text that was reverted because the source was considered unreliable: </p> <blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> included the developer of 15.ai as one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."<sup id="cite_ref-test_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-test-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></p></blockquote> <p>My question is: is the above valid? My understanding was that per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, quoting that an expert said something about the subject is valid, but something like: </p> <blockquote><p>The developer of 15.ai is one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."<sup id="cite_ref-test_5-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-test-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></p></blockquote> <p>would be invalid. Thank you for the help! </p><p>As extra context, there is a previous noticeboard on the source: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 223">Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Marginal_Revolution_(blog)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128185300-Question_about_citing_a_blog_post_as_a_quote_from_an_expert"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"></span>Although I would typically say "yes, that's okay", I'm not confident I like the way you've interpreted what Cowen actually said. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700-GregariousMadness-20241128185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>Thank you for the response – do you have any suggestions on how I should reword it? I tried to be as neutral as possible by quoting Cowen directly, but I wasn't entirely sure on my wording, either. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128192300-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>Would the following be better?</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> referenced the developer of 15.ai when asking readers to identify underrated talents in AI and machine learning, specifically highlighting technical builders.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>It feels a <i>little</i> bit wordy but I think it keeps it more accurate. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GregariousMadness-20241128195700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"></span>I've thought about it a bit more and I think a better phrasing would be:</dd> <dd><blockquote><p>In his blog <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution</a></i>, economist <a href="/wiki/Tyler_Cowen" title="Tyler Cowen">Tyler Cowen</a> cited the developer of 15.ai as an example of underrated talent in AI.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd>It's short and to the point and keeps it neutral. <a href="/wiki/User:GregariousMadness" title="User:GregariousMadness">GregariousMadness</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GregariousMadness" title="User talk:GregariousMadness">talk to me!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GregariousMadness-20241130205800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241128191700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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.reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist reflist-columns references-column-width" style="column-width: talkpage;"> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-test-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-test_5-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-test_5-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFCowen2022" class="citation web cs1">Cowen, Tyler (2022-05-12). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/05/the-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html">"The most underrated talent in AI?"</a>. <i><a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution (blog)</a></i>. <a href="/wiki/Marginal_Revolution_(blog)" class="mw-redirect" title="Marginal Revolution (blog)">Marginal Revolution (blog)</a>. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220619203626/https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/05/the-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html">Archived</a> from the original on 2022-06-19<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-11-27</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Marginal+Revolution+%28blog%29&rft.atitle=The+most+underrated+talent+in+AI%3F&rft.date=2022-05-12&rft.aulast=Cowen&rft.aufirst=Tyler&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fmarginalrevolution.com%2Fmarginalrevolution%2F2022%2F05%2Fthe-most-underrated-talent-in-ai.html&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French" data-mw-thread-id="h-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French-20241128185400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French-20241128185400"></span>Partial translation of an English article already existing in French<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French-20241128185400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French"></span>I would like to extract information from English articles to put them in existing French articles. </p><p>I am thinking for example of the article about the language "<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talysh_(langue)" class="extiw" title="fr:Talysh (langue)">Talysh"</a> on the French Wikipedia which is not as complete as the equivalent in the <a href="/wiki/Talysh_language" title="Talysh language">English</a> language version. </p><p>How to translate without copying and pasting. The beta version of the tool to translate articles with the English text on the left and the French text on the right is not suitable. I tried. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400-Partial_translation_of_an_English_article_already_existing_in_French"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241128220500-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a>. Does <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translate_us" title="Wikipedia:Translate us">WP:Translate us</a> help? <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241128220500-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241128220500-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241128220500-Anatole-berthe-20241128185400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128224500-ColinFine-20241128220500"></span>I'll read what you share with me later. Thanks ! <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241128224500-ColinFine-20241128220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128224500-ColinFine-20241128220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20241128224500-ColinFine-20241128220500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="bracketed_ellipses" data-mw-thread-id="h-bracketed_ellipses-20241128201800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-bracketed_ellipses-20241128201800"></span>bracketed ellipses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-bracketed_ellipses-20241128201800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800-bracketed_ellipses"></span>I don't know whether this is the best place to bring this up, but I notice that some editors place brackets around ellipses. Their point presumably is to show that the ellipses were not in the original language being quoted. But that doesn’t make sense, because, if bracketed ellipses were the convention, then bracketed ellipses could have been in the original language being quoted, if that language were quoting something. I believe that readers should assume that ellipses without brackets were not in the original, unless the person quoting inserts "[ellipses in the original]." Brackets should not be placed around ellipses. <a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800-bracketed_ellipses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800-bracketed_ellipses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800-bracketed_ellipses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241128215200-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800"></span>Maurice Magnus</a>, if this prescription is beneficial, then it belongs in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Punctuation" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">WP:Manual_of_Style#Punctuation</a>. If you want to suggest its inclusion there, then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style">WT:Manual_of_Style</a> is where to suggest it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241128215200-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241128215200-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241128215200-Maurice_Magnus-20241128201800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128221000-Hoary-20241128215200"></span>Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>). Thank you for the cite. It indicates that my suggestion is already Wikipedia's rule: "When an ellipsis (...) is used to indicate that material is removed from a direct quotation, it should not normally be bracketed. <i>(See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Ellipses" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">§ Ellipses</a> for an exceptional case.)</i>." Therefore, I will feel free to remove brackets around ellipses (except in the exceptional case), and, if anyone complains, to cite the rule. The exceptional case referred to is, "Square brackets may be placed around an ellipsis that indicates omitted text to distinguish it from an ellipsis that is part of the quoted text: She retorted: "How do I feel? How do you <i>think</i> I ... This is too much! [...] Take me home!". In this example, the first ellipsis is part of the quoted text and the second ellipsis (in square brackets) indicates omitted text." <a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128221000-Hoary-20241128215200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128221000-Hoary-20241128215200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maurice_Magnus-20241128221000-Hoary-20241128215200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggested_Discography_Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"></span>Suggested Discography Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggested_Discography_Template-20241128211800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"></span>Thought I'd ask, as I have noticed there's a few discography templates. Which are best to use? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echowanderer43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echowanderer43 (page does not exist)">Echowanderer43</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Echowanderer43" title="User talk:Echowanderer43">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Echowanderer43-20241128211800-Suggested_Discography_Template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span>Please see <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/1" title="Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1">Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129013000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Echowanderer43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Echowanderer43 (page does not exist)">Echowanderer43</a>. I'm not sure what the above answer has to do with your question, but you might want to try asking about this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies">Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies</a> because certain templates might work better in certain articles. You could also look at articles where each template is used by going to the template's page and clicking on "What links here" in the left-side bar. Seeing how each template is being used by others might help you better understand their differences. Lastly, you can practice using them in your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USERSANDBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USERSANDBOX">WP:USERSANDBOX</a> where you can display them side-by-side or above one another for a visual comparison. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241129073000-Echowanderer43-20241128211800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Referencing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Referencing-20241128223400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Referencing-20241128223400"></span>Referencing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Referencing-20241128223400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Referencing"></span>Do templates in the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:More_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:More sources">more sources</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> family like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source_section" title="Template:One source section">one source section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs additional references to reliable sources.">additional citation(s) needed</span></a></i>]</sup> require a new section on the talk page? Somebody removed templates that I added and their edit summary said "drive by tagging", but I thought "drive by tagging" was about things like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:POV" title="Template:POV">POV</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> where the changes required are more debatable or less obvious? Is there a clear list somewhere of which tags need discussion? <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Referencing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Referencing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Referencing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source_section" title="Template:One source section">one source section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> has a "there may be discussion on the talk page" link, but if there's a section and every reference is the same number, what needs to be explained? <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241129003000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"></span>There is nothing wrong with using a single source in a section, as long the source is reliable and comprehensive and verifies the content. In my view, if you believe that the section needs additionsl sources, the best practice is to explain why on the article talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241129003000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241129003000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241129003000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241128223400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Username_change_policy_questions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Username_change_policy_questions-20241129014400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Username_change_policy_questions-20241129014400"></span>Username change policy questions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Username_change_policy_questions-20241129014400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Velvetune-20241129014400-Username_change_policy_questions"></span>Hello. Going over <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNC">WP:UNC</a>, it mentions that one would be better off starting fresh on a new account if the current one has “few or no edits.” What is the cutoff there? 78 is really small in the grand scheme of things, but it’s not literally a few—it’s several dozens. Further, if starting anew is the route I take (I’m not actually sure what, or if, I’d want to rename to yet,) is there anything I should do with this account to be sure I’m not mistaken as a sockpuppeteer? Thanks in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Velvetune" title="User:Velvetune">Velvetune</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Velvetune" title="User talk:Velvetune">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Velvetune-20241129014400-Username_change_policy_questions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Velvetune-20241129014400-Username_change_policy_questions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Velvetune-20241129014400-Username_change_policy_questions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quxyz-20241129024800-Velvetune-20241129014400"></span>If you are attached to your edits, then I would keep the account and just rename. If you want to go down the alternate account route, as long as you are not using multiple accounts to do bad things and you are open about it, you should be fine to have multiple accounts. <a href="/wiki/User:Quxyz" title="User:Quxyz"><span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quxyz" title="User talk:Quxyz"><span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Quxyz" title="Special:Contributions/Quxyz"><span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Quxyz-20241129024800-Velvetune-20241129014400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quxyz-20241129024800-Velvetune-20241129014400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quxyz-20241129024800-Velvetune-20241129014400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129070100-Quxyz-20241129024800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Velvetune" title="User:Velvetune">Velvetune</a>:</span> Hi. Do you want to keep the two accounts connected, or do you want a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLEANSTART" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLEANSTART">WP:CLEANSTART</a>? You will be considered sock puppeteer only if you use these two accounts at the same time for bad purposes, without disclosing the connection. If you create a new account, then post on older userpage: "I stopped using this account, now I use 'new account'". On new userpage, you should mention "Velvetune was my old account". I think 300 edits would be enough for renaming the account. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241129070100-Quxyz-20241129024800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129070100-Quxyz-20241129024800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241129070100-Quxyz-20241129024800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Velvetune-20241129084000-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Usernamekiran" title="User:Usernamekiran">Usernamekiran</a>! Having the two accounts connected would be fine, I have no reason to seek an entirely clean start. It just comes down to this username no longer feeling like me—Wikipedia is the only place where it remains my username (barring Cohost, which is read-only now.) Not a feeling I can put into better words than that, to be honest. I did entirely forget about that policy though, so thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Velvetune" title="User:Velvetune">Velvetune</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Velvetune" title="User talk:Velvetune">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Velvetune-20241129084000-Usernamekiran-20241129070100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Velvetune-20241129084000-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Velvetune-20241129084000-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129181800-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Velvetune" title="User:Velvetune">Velvetune</a>:</span> in that case, you can either wait till you have 200-300 edits, and have a rename, or abandon current account with mentions on both the user accounts. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241129181800-Usernamekiran-20241129070100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129181800-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241129181800-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Velvetune-20241130095400-Usernamekiran-20241129181800"></span>Understood! I will opt for the rename route, I think. Thank you so much. <a href="/wiki/User:Velvetune" title="User:Velvetune">Velvetune</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Velvetune" title="User talk:Velvetune">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Velvetune" title="Special:Contributions/Velvetune">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Velvetune-20241130095400-Usernamekiran-20241129181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Velvetune-20241130095400-Usernamekiran-20241129181800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Velvetune-20241130095400-Usernamekiran-20241129181800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129185600-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span>there are many users, but I recently remembered <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scs">Scs</a></span>. Their old userpage redirects to Scs, and on Scs, they have mentioned their old account. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241129185600-Usernamekiran-20241129070100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129185600-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241129185600-Usernamekiran-20241129070100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?-20241129015600"><span id="Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?-20241129015600"></span>Pygame - tutorials in external links?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?-20241129015600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kaworu1992-20241129015600-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Pygame" title="Pygame">Pygame</a></li></ul> <p>Hi! </p><p>I am looking at the article about Pygame and wonder if maybe we should put the tutorials in external links, maybe in tutorials subsection? Wouldn't it be more readable and easy to access that way? </p><p>I might be wrong, though... :) this is why I am writing in here :) </p><p>Best wishes <a href="/wiki/User:Kaworu1992" title="User:Kaworu1992">Kaworu1992</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaworu1992" title="User talk:Kaworu1992">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kaworu1992-20241129015600-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kaworu1992-20241129015600-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kaworu1992-20241129015600-Pygame_-_tutorials_in_external_links?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129023400-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span>Is your draft in progress? Just cite as many as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241129023400-Kaworu1992-20241129015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129023400-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241129023400-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241129025600-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Kaworu1992" title="User:Kaworu1992">Kaworu1992</a>. FWIW, I don't think the "just cite as many as possible" suggestion given above is a very good one and don't suggest you do that. You should only add links that are clearly in accordance with Wikipedia's guideline for external links. There's some general guidance about this given in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links" title="Wikipedia:External links">Wikipedia:External links</a>, but you can also ask about specific links at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard">Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard</a>. Whether links to tutorials are generally considered OK for Wikipedia articles about software or video games might also be something worth asking about at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Software" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241129025600-Kaworu1992-20241129015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241129025600-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241129025600-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241129111500-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span>Ahri Boy</a>, your suggestion (to "cite as many as possible") is a poor one. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241129111500-Kaworu1992-20241129015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241129111500-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241129111500-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129190200-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span>the important question is, external links leading where? To some YouTube channel gaining viewers/revenue because of Wikipedia? To some fishy website? I would be comfortable only if it is their official website — pygame.org —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241129190200-Kaworu1992-20241129015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241129190200-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241129190200-Kaworu1992-20241129015600"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_format]" data-mw-thread-id="h-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo-20241129062300"><span id="Films_-_.28Music_too.3F.29_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_.5BShould_have_historical_format.5D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo-20241129062300"></span>Films - (Music too?) - Response - Critical Response - [Should have historical format]<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo-20241129062300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cadamier-20241129062300-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo"></span>I come here to Wikipedia for information of all sorts! lol In movies is see under "Response"(sometimes reception) and then "Critical Response." I'm seeing a decent amount of 'unformatted' content here where there should be all formatted content in "(Film)". First off we have to go through a bit of history and the cinematic publishing history; IE: VHS, DVD, Blu Ray, Streaming Services. If memory serves me then about 1982 (Video Disks?) was when VHS started to take off with local 'mom & pop video rental stores.' And Blockbuster (1987?). DVD's in the late 1990; Blu Ray and Streaming services last. Now with that out of the way lets look at "The Exorcist" (1973). Sure if you've seen it you've heard the controversies but I lived through them! lol I like that format, given what the movie IS! I also like "After release" subtitle(?). So that's a decent 'historically accurate' account. Now if you look at "Forrest Gump" (1994) you'll see "Critical reception" start the first paragraph with "Rotten Tomatoes" which by the way wasn't even active until 4 years later. Then it goes into: "Ebert" of the Sun Times, but doesn't mention "Siskel & Ebert"... Too many times I see: "On the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes" and that makes it look like 'Wikipedia' is upselling Rotten Tomatoes. Least I get into "They weren't even around." At least I'm glad I don't see IMdB here especially because of the "Rings of Power Fiasco!" What I'm getting at is that this 'reception' should be historically accurate as well as in historical order. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cadamier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cadamier (page does not exist)">Cadamier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cadamier" title="User talk:Cadamier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cadamier-20241129062300-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cadamier-20241129062300-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cadamier-20241129062300-Films_-_(Music_too?)_-_Response_-_Critical_Response_-_[Should_have_historical_fo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.1.211.243-20241129074700-Cadamier-20241129062300"></span>You are free to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> and amend such articles to your preferred arrangements (and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">reference-cited</a> contents). If someone disagrees with any of your edits they will Revert them, and the two (or more) of you can civilly Discuss them on the article's Talk page and form a consensus. This, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> cycle, is a normal way of improving Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Note that you <i>will</i> make mistakes and likely have them corrected. This is inevitable with such a complex, evolved project as Wikipedia: erring and being corrected is one of the ways that everyone learns how to edit here, so don't take it personally. Before you start, you might want to study <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style">Wikipedia's Manual of Style</a>. Happy editing! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243" title="Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243">94.1.211.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.1.211.243" title="User talk:94.1.211.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.1.211.243-20241129074700-Cadamier-20241129062300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.1.211.243-20241129074700-Cadamier-20241129062300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.1.211.243-20241129074700-Cadamier-20241129062300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241129203100-94.1.211.243-20241129074700"></span>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cadamier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cadamier (page does not exist)">Cadamier</a>. The reason why you see <a href="/wiki/Rotten_Tomatoes" title="Rotten Tomatoes">Rotten Tomatoes</a> used so frequently in film articles is that they are a specialized <a href="/wiki/News_aggregator" title="News aggregator">News aggregator</a> focused largely on movie reviews. They are perfectly capable of aggregating reviews for movies released long before that website was founded, and there is nothing improper about that. As for <a href="/wiki/Siskel_and_Ebert" title="Siskel and Ebert">Siskel and Ebert</a>, they never worked together to review movies. Each reviewed separately and then they had intense debates. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ROTTENTOMATOES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ROTTENTOMATOES">WP:ROTTENTOMATOES</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IMDB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IMDB">WP:IMDB</a> for the consensus among editors about the general reliability of the first for aggregating professional reviews and the general unreliability of the second for most things. Personally, I consider subsequent release dates in various formats to be far less imprortant encyclopedic content than critical commentary about films. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241129203100-94.1.211.243-20241129074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241129203100-94.1.211.243-20241129074700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241129203100-94.1.211.243-20241129074700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?-20241129144200"><span id="How_about_some_tea_and_cookies.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?-20241129144200"></span>How about some tea and cookies?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?-20241129144200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?"></span>I am hungry :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MichalAlfasi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MichalAlfasi (page does not exist)">MichalAlfasi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichalAlfasi" title="User talk:MichalAlfasi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200-How_about_some_tea_and_cookies?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241129164100-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200"></span>Here's some, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MichalAlfasi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MichalAlfasi (page does not exist)">MichalAlfasi</a>, <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Tea_and_Cookie_(11985039374).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg/220px-Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg/330px-Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg/440px-Tea_and_Cookie_%2811985039374%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3264" data-file-height="2448"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>, though I doubt if it's very good tea. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241129164100-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241129164100-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241129164100-MichalAlfasi-20241129144200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit-20241129154800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit-20241129154800"></span>Edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit-20241129154800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kicab-20241129154800-Edit"></span>I edit the Three Prisoners Problem. It appeared shortly then Jochen Burghardt "Undid revision" adding "should be discussed on talk page before." How do I discuss on talk page? </p><p>"Latest revision as of 06:50, 21 November 2024 edit undo thankPublicly send thanks?ThankCancel Jochen Burghardt (talk | contribs) Undid revision 1258634392 by Kicab (talk): should be discussed on talk page before Tag: Undo" <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kicab&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kicab (page does not exist)">Kicab</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kicab" title="User talk:Kicab">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kicab-20241129154800-Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kicab-20241129154800-Edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kicab-20241129154800-Edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241129161600-Kicab-20241129154800"></span>Hi! Each article has a <a href="/wiki/Help:Talk_pages" title="Help:Talk pages">talk page</a> where you can go to discuss how the article can be improved. Starting a discussion first is often a good idea when you want to make major changes (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS">WP:CAUTIOUS</a> for the relevant policy). On desktop, there should be two tabs below the title of the article: "Article" and "Talk". Clicking "Talk" should take you to the talk page, in this case <a href="/wiki/Talk:Three_prisoners_problem" title="Talk:Three prisoners problem">Talk:Three prisoners problem</a>, where you can click "Add Topic" or "Edit Source" in the top right to start a new section for discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241129161600-Kicab-20241129154800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241129161600-Kicab-20241129154800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241129161600-Kicab-20241129154800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kicab-20241129175400-Perception312-20241129161600"></span>Thank you. I went to the talk page and added my proposed major edit and submitted. I don't know if you can check whether I did that correctly. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kicab&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kicab (page does not exist)">Kicab</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kicab" title="User talk:Kicab">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kicab-20241129175400-Perception312-20241129161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kicab-20241129175400-Perception312-20241129161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kicab-20241129175400-Perception312-20241129161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241129181600-Kicab-20241129175400"></span>You're welcome. Looks like you did it correctly. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241129181600-Kicab-20241129175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241129181600-Kicab-20241129175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241129181600-Kicab-20241129175400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor-20241129212900"><span id="Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title.2C_location_descriptor"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor-20241129212900"></span>Oaklawn Plantation has wrong title, location descriptor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor-20241129212900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor"></span>Oaklawn is a plantation in THE CITY OF NATCHITOCHES, NATCHITOCHES COUNTY NOT Natchez Mississippi. How can that be corrected? <a href="/wiki/Oaklawn_Plantation_(Natchez,_Louisiana)" title="Oaklawn Plantation (Natchez, Louisiana)">Oaklawn Plantation (Natchez, Louisiana)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F" title="Special:Contributions/2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F">2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900-Oaklawn_Plantation_has_wrong_title,_location_descriptor"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241129213300-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"></span>I'm not seeing where the article says it is in Mississippi. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241129213300-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241129213300-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241129213300-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PersonAccount-20241129213600-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"></span>If you believe the article is wrong, I'd advise you change the content yourself and cite a reliable source per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEBOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEBOLD">WP:BEBOLD</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PersonAccount" title="User:PersonAccount">PersonAccount 🐉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PersonAccount" title="User talk:PersonAccount">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PersonAccount-20241129213600-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PersonAccount-20241129213600-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PersonAccount-20241129213600-2601:643:200:9A20:846:6EB1:A7E6:3D9F-20241129212900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051300-PersonAccount-20241129213600"></span>The article never mentioned Mississippi.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Natchez,_Louisiana" title="Natchez, Louisiana">Natchez in Louisiana</a> is just east of the southern portion of <a href="/wiki/Natchitoches,_Louisiana" title="Natchitoches, Louisiana">Natchitoches, Louisiana</a> (the map in the Natchez, Louisiana article appears to be incorrect).</dd> <dd>Google maps shows two adjacent locations named Oaklawn Plantation, a little over 2 miles apart – <i>neither</i> are in <i>either</i> Natchitoches (the city/county) <i>or</i> Natchez, though they are closer to the latter.</dd> <dd>Recently <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> moved the article (i.e. changed its title) from "Oaklawn Plantation (Natchez, Louisiana)" to "Oaklawn Plantation (Natchitoches, Louisiana)" <i>and then back again</i>, on the grounds that "It is closer to Natchez".</dd> <dd>I suggest that <i>neither</i> is correct, and the title should be "Oaklawn Plantation (<a href="/wiki/Natchitoches_Parish,_Louisiana" title="Natchitoches Parish, Louisiana">Natchitoches Parish, Louisiana</a>)" – the Parish appears to contains <i>all</i> of the abovementioned places. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243" title="Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243">94.1.211.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.1.211.243" title="User talk:94.1.211.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.1.211.243-20241130051300-PersonAccount-20241129213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051300-PersonAccount-20241129213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051300-PersonAccount-20241129213600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241130064900-94.1.211.243-20241130051300"></span>I am starting to suspect that this is really named the Oakland Plantation, as described in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nps.gov/cari/learn/historyculture/oakland-plantation-history.htm">this National Park Service website</a>. This plantation has a Natchitoches mailing address. But I am not sure. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241130064900-94.1.211.243-20241130051300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241130064900-94.1.211.243-20241130051300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241130064900-94.1.211.243-20241130051300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130153300-Cullen328-20241130064900"></span>I can't speak with experience about the USA, but certainly in the UK, a postal address does <i>not</i> define a geographical location. Postal addresses are allocated according to the Post Office's administrative convenience: for example, I had some friends whose <i>postal</i> address came under <a href="/wiki/Shrewsbury" title="Shrewsbury">Shrewsbury</a>, Shropshire (in England), but who were <i>actually</i> located just over the border in Wales.</dd> <dd>After re-checking Google Maps, Oak<u>lawn</u> Plantation refers to one historic building and grounds whose location is named as Natchitoches, and Oak<u>land</u> Plantation to another, some 2 miles away, whose location is named as Natchez – neither are within the map-shown limits of either town/city/county, but both are in Natchitoches Parish. The latter is also in the <a href="/wiki/Cane_River_Creole_National_Historical_Park" title="Cane River Creole National Historical Park">Cane River Creole National Historical Park</a>, FWIW. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243" title="Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243">94.1.211.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.1.211.243" title="User talk:94.1.211.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.1.211.243-20241130153300-Cullen328-20241130064900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130153300-Cullen328-20241130064900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.1.211.243-20241130153300-Cullen328-20241130064900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?-20241129233000"><span id="How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?-20241129233000"></span>How to cite a National Park Service Documentation Form?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?-20241129233000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jan_Silija-20241129233000-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?"></span>Hello! I was looking at the article for the <a href="/wiki/Wittsburg_Fortification" title="Wittsburg Fortification">Wittsburg Fortification</a> and saw an interesting claim that was unsourced. I found a source from the National Park Service (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/64500821_text">link to PDF if interested</a>), and I was wondering how I would cite it properly. At the moment, it's just a link. Thanks in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Jan_Silija" title="User:Jan Silija">Jan Silija</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jan_Silija" title="User talk:Jan Silija">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jan_Silija-20241129233000-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jan_Silija-20241129233000-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jan_Silija-20241129233000-How_to_cite_a_National_Park_Service_Documentation_Form?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241130002300-Jan_Silija-20241129233000"></span>With <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">Template:Cite web</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jan_Silija" title="User:Jan Silija">Jan Silija</a>. (Or is your question about how to use this template? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241130002300-Jan_Silija-20241129233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241130002300-Jan_Silija-20241129233000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241130002300-Jan_Silija-20241129233000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?-20241130002900"><span id="Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?-20241130002900"></span>Why do redirects from capitalisation exist?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?-20241130002900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?"></span>The title of the question is self explanatory. For example: <a href="/wiki/DONALD_TRUMP" class="mw-redirect" title="DONALD TRUMP">DONALD TRUMP</a> goes to <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a>, and <a href="/wiki/GERMANY" class="mw-redirect" title="GERMANY">GERMANY</a> goes to <a href="/wiki/Germany" title="Germany">Germany</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RedactedHumanoid" title="User:RedactedHumanoid">RedactedHumanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedactedHumanoid" title="User talk:RedactedHumanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900-Why_do_redirects_from_capitalisation_exist?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020500-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span>Check "what links here", if nothing uses it then we probably don't need a redirect. But those are linked often enough that it might be used on a few pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020500-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020500-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020500-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020600-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span>OR it might be used to stop people making a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORK">WP:FORK</a> with a title in caps to share their opinions? <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020600-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020600-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130020600-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051900-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span>A significant number of searchers have their device set to all caps (due to either habit, forgetfulness or inadvertance). Such redirects lessen the annoyance of their otherwise correctly spelled query failing (which they may blame on Wikipedia). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243" title="Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243">94.1.211.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.1.211.243" title="User talk:94.1.211.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.1.211.243-20241130051900-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051900-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.1.211.243-20241130051900-RedactedHumanoid-20241130002900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200-94.1.211.243-20241130051900"></span>Especially people typing on T9. Maybe one day, people will create redirects from plausible misspelling. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200-94.1.211.243-20241130051900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200-94.1.211.243-20241130051900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200-94.1.211.243-20241130051900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241130124300-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> We already have about 56,000 redirects from misspellings. See what links to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_misspelling" title="Template:R from misspelling">R from misspelling</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241130124300-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241130124300-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241130124300-Ahri_Boy-20241130090200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?-20241130003600"><span id="Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents.27_band.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?-20241130003600"></span>Thoughts on an article about my parents' band?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?-20241130003600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceastman110-20241130003600-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?"></span>Hello, </p><p>I'm looking for some advice on whether or not I'll be able to add a Wikipedia article about a band my parents were in in the 80's. The band was called "Legacy", they were a bluegrass and folk music band that played mostly Northern Virginia, DC, suburban Maryland, and only small venues like folk music festivals, old mills and farms... local stuff. There aren't many articles or "secondary source" coverage of them as they were very small, but I'd like people to know about them, and I'd like to publish some of their music (albeit not well recorded or produced). The guidance from Wikipedia about new articles is that it should be "notable". I'm not sure they were ever big enough to be "notable", although they certainly are to me and my family, and a large group of folk music fans around the DC metro area. </p><p>I'd like to create an article about them, and curious as to whether that could be done without citing "secondary sources", as just none exist digitally. They were active from about 1981 to 1988. </p><p>Curious as to your advice or thoughts. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ceastman110&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ceastman110 (page does not exist)">Ceastman110</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceastman110" title="User talk:Ceastman110">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ceastman110-20241130003600-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceastman110-20241130003600-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceastman110-20241130003600-Thoughts_on_an_article_about_my_parents'_band?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241130004300-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span>Hello. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> say about a topic- that's what we're about. If you have no sources, there cannot be an article here. If you just want to tell the world about your parents' band, you should try social media or another website with less stringent requirements. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241130004300-Ceastman110-20241130003600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241130004300-Ceastman110-20241130003600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241130004300-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241130004500-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span>Note that sources do not need to be online, as long as they are published and publicly available, like magazines in a library. But I get the sense your parents band probably does not meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BAND">WP:BAND</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241130004500-Ceastman110-20241130003600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241130004500-Ceastman110-20241130003600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241130004500-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130052600-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span>Note that 'Legacy Band, DC' is an <i>existing</i> band that (according to their website) "Is an elite music group performing in the Washington D.C., Maryland, and Virginia region. Our band covers Top 40 hits, fiery versions of Soul, smooth versions of Motown, head nodding versions of Pop and some good ol’ country!"</dd> <dd>This is liable to complicate searches for published information about a former band of the same name operating in the same region, and has the potential for a 'turf war' over any putative Wikipedia article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243" title="Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243">94.1.211.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.1.211.243" title="User talk:94.1.211.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.1.211.243-20241130052600-Ceastman110-20241130003600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.1.211.243-20241130052600-Ceastman110-20241130003600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.1.211.243-20241130052600-Ceastman110-20241130003600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?-20241130032000"><span id="Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?-20241130032000"></span>Would it be useful to have this as a standard template?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?-20241130032000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?"></span>As an option for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source" title="Template:One source">one source</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source_section" title="Template:One source section">one source section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or as a stand alone template in the set with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:More_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:More sources">more sources</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and others. </p><p>I made a custom version from the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Multiple_issue" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Multiple issue">multiple issue</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template. But I see this often enough that a standard template seems useful. </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1251242444">.mw-parser-output .ambox{border:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-left:10px solid #36c;background-color:#fbfbfb;box-sizing:border-box}.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+link+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+style+.ambox,.mw-parser-output .ambox+.mw-empty-elt+link+link+.ambox{margin-top:-1px}html body.mediawiki .mw-parser-output .ambox.mbox-small-left{margin:4px 1em 4px 0;overflow:hidden;width:238px;border-collapse:collapse;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em}.mw-parser-output .ambox-speedy{border-left:10px solid #b32424;background-color:#fee7e6}.mw-parser-output .ambox-delete{border-left:10px solid #b32424}.mw-parser-output .ambox-content{border-left:10px solid #f28500}.mw-parser-output .ambox-style{border-left:10px solid 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1.6em!important;padding:0!important;width:auto;display:block}body.mediawiki .mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox.mbox-small-left{font-size:100%;width:auto;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox .mbox-text{padding:0!important;margin:0!important}.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox .mbox-text-span{display:list-item;line-height:1.5em;list-style-type:disc}body.skin-minerva .mw-parser-output .multiple-issues-text>.mw-collapsible-toggle,.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox .mbox-image,.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox .mbox-imageright,.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .ambox .mbox-empty-cell,.mw-parser-output .compact-ambox .hide-when-compact{display:none}</style><table class="box-Multiple_issues plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-multiple_issues compact-ambox" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/40px-Ambox_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/60px-Ambox_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/80px-Ambox_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40"/></span></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span"><div class="multiple-issues-text mw-collapsible"><b>This section has multiple issues.</b> Please help <b><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse">improve it</a></b> or discuss these issues on the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia talk:Teahouse">talk page</a></b>. <small><i>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove these messages</a>)</i></small> <div class="mw-collapsible-content"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1251242444"><table class="box-More_citations_needed plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-Refimprove" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="39" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/75px-Question_book-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/100px-Question_book-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="399"/></a></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>needs additional citations for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verification</a></b>.<span class="hide-when-compact"> Please help <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse">improve this article</a> by <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">adding citations to reliable sources</a>. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.<br/><small><span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Teahouse%22">"Teahouse"</a> – <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22Teahouse%22&tbs=bkt:s&tbm=bks">newspapers</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Teahouse%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Teahouse%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a></span></small></span> <span class="date-container"><i>(<span class="date">November 2024</span>)</i></span><span class="hide-when-compact"><i> (<small><a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this message</a></small>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The current source(s) support(s) only a small part of the text. If sources have been added to support most of information please remove this notice and use <sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources.">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> to mark any information that remains unsourced. </p> </div> </div><span class="hide-when-compact"><i> (<small><a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this message</a></small>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p> We have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:One_source_section" title="Template:One source section">one source section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1251242444"></p><table class="box-One_source plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-one_source" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="39" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/75px-Question_book-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/100px-Question_book-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="399"/></span></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span">This section <b>relies largely or entirely upon a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources">single source</a></b>.<span class="hide-when-compact"> Relevant discussion may be found on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse##" title="Wikipedia talk:Teahouse">talk page</a>. Please help <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit">improve this article</a> by introducing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">citations</a> to additional sources at this section.</span><span class="hide-when-compact"><i> (<small><a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this message</a></small>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>But that is not a good description of most articles I have seen with one source, and I have also seen sections where it doesn't describe the problem well. I more often see one source supporting only a tiny part of the page or section, and the rest is completely unsourced. </p><p>We have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:More_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:More sources">more sources</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> but it doesn't have a section option, so a long section that's mostly unsourced sort of needs <sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources.">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> on every paragraph, but that's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tag_bombing" title="Wikipedia:Tag bombing">Wikipedia:Tag bombing</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000-Would_it_be_useful_to_have_this_as_a_standard_template?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LizardJr8-20241130051000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000"></span>Does the {{sources|section}} template do what you were looking for? <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1251242444"><table class="box-More_citations_needed plainlinks metadata ambox ambox-content ambox-Refimprove" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><div class="mbox-image-div"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="39" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/75px-Question_book-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/100px-Question_book-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="399"/></a></span></div></td><td class="mbox-text"><div class="mbox-text-span">This section <b>needs additional citations for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verification</a></b>.<span class="hide-when-compact"> Please help <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse">improve this article</a> by <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">adding citations to reliable sources</a> in this section. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.<br/><small><span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Teahouse%22">"Teahouse"</a> – <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1">news</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?&q=%22Teahouse%22&tbs=bkt:s&tbm=bks">newspapers</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Teahouse%22+-wikipedia">books</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Teahouse%22">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Teahouse%22&acc=on&wc=on">JSTOR</a></span></small></span><span class="hide-when-compact"><i> (<small><a href="/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal" title="Help:Maintenance template removal">Learn how and when to remove this message</a></small>)</i></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <a href="/wiki/User:LizardJr8" title="User:LizardJr8">LizardJr8</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LizardJr8" title="User talk:LizardJr8">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LizardJr8-20241130051000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LizardJr8-20241130051000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LizardJr8-20241130051000-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130032000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130190000-LizardJr8-20241130051000"></span>Sort of. I have changed one or two "one source" tags to that, and that is what I put inside the "multiple issues" box above. But it is very vague, and it doesn't have a comment or reason field to point out where the problem is, only search terms? I made a version of top box for a section where there were a large number of citations, but those were all on about 20% of the information shown. I often see articles or sections where "more sources" fits, but the top box fits <i> better</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130190000-LizardJr8-20241130051000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130190000-LizardJr8-20241130051000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130190000-LizardJr8-20241130051000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode-20241130093300"><span id="Citations_.2F_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode-20241130093300"></span>Citations / Referencing changing when in edit mode<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode-20241130093300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode"></span>I came across an article where something strange was happening with the citations. The first two citations read [1][6]. </p><p>I clicked into edit mode, and to my surprise, the first two citations (in exactly the same place) now are [1][2]. The list of references is rearranged too: the article that was listed as 6 in read mode is now listed as 2 in edit mode. </p><p>What's going on? Is there some kind of manual override happening? Is it a known bug? TIA <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daphne_Morrow" title="User talk:Daphne Morrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300-Citations_/_Referencing_changing_when_in_edit_mode"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130101400-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> did you click "edit section"? If you're in that mode only the references used in the section are numbered, leading to possible mismatches. It's more of a feature than a bug. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130101400-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130101400-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130101400-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115200-CanonNi-20241130101400"></span>Thank you so much for your reply, this is very useful to know.</dd> <dd>I clicked the overall edit button at the top of the page, but what @<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> said makes sense -- the references were probably in an info box, which didn't count for the overall edit, causing the 2-5 references to disappear when I hit edit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daphne_Morrow" title="User talk:Daphne Morrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115200-CanonNi-20241130101400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115200-CanonNi-20241130101400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115200-CanonNi-20241130101400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241130111100-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. The numbering of citations is of no significance, and is allocated on the fly by the rendering software - in order of their definition in the article, I believe.</dd> <dd>So the oddity you saw might mean (as an example) that the first five citations were all in an infobox (which appears before the text in the underlying source), and then the point you noticed reused no. 1, and also defined a sixth one.</dd> <dd>I suspect you were editing only a section (as CanonNi suggests) and so it numbered only the citations defined in that section's source code. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241130111100-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241130111100-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241130111100-Daphne_Morrow-20241130093300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115300-ColinFine-20241130111100"></span>Thank you for this explanation. I think this makes it likely that when I hit the overall edit button, the references 2-5 disappeared because they were in an infobox. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Daphne_Morrow&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Daphne Morrow (page does not exist)">Daphne Morrow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daphne_Morrow" title="User talk:Daphne Morrow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115300-ColinFine-20241130111100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115300-ColinFine-20241130111100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daphne_Morrow-20241130115300-ColinFine-20241130111100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"></span>User Abduvaitov Sherzod V Viki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki-20241130094500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"></span>Hello, dear Wikipedian, I am always an active contributor to the English Wikipedia. Please grant me the "enhanced verified user" privilege and what functions this privilege will perform. <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500-User_Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Viki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XC">extended confirmed</a> perm requires 500 edits and a month-old account. Your account only has 38 edits and is 2 days old. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130101100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"></span>What is the "Verified Advanced Users" function? Thanks. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600-CanonNi-20241130101100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"></span>I'm not sure what you mean. The English Wikipedia does not have a perm with that name - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTS">WP:RIGHTS</a> for a complete list. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130103700-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130102600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"></span>I would like to tell you about the functions of the "enhanced authenticated users" right and how to obtain it. Thank you. Olg‘a. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User talk:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400-CanonNi-20241130103700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"></span>There is no such thing on en.wiki, but there may be something with a similar name on one of the other language wikipedias, being separate projects they do their user groups differently. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User:DandelionAndBurdock">D'n'B</a>-<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User talk:DandelionAndBurdock">t</a></i> -- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20241130150100-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130144400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki" title="User:Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki">Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki</a>:</span> Let me reverse the question: what contribution are you trying to make, that you cannot do currently? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241130145400-Abduvaitov_Sherzod_V_Wiki-20241130094500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Age_of_History_II" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Age_of_History_II&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Age of History II (page does not exist)">Draft:Age of History II</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Age_of_History_II-20241130100300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"></span>Hello, what do I do with this article - old draft? <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241130100300-Draft:Age_of_History_II"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> anyone, including you, can improve the draft and submit it for review at any time. If no edits are made for 6 months the draft will be deleted per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241130101200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"></span>Set <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User:СтасС">СтасС</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%A1" title="User talk:СтасС">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-СтасС-20241130103100-CanonNi-20241130101200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"></span>Well that G13 is supposed to be for drafts neglected for 6 months. G7 applies if your wrote the content yourself. But that does not apply either as it was written by a now blocked user. May be best to leave it deleted so that someone else can make a fresh start. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800-СтасС-20241130103100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"></span>I saw the draft was about to G13 out in a week or so, but (other than a four character change on June 11) there was no substantive work since last October. I might not have gotten the criteria correct, but I thought it was close enough. <a href="/wiki/User:BusterD" title="User:BusterD">BusterD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BusterD" title="User talk:BusterD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BusterD-20241130113200-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span>Do the introduction tutorial to find out! :) <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160200-СтасС-20241130100300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="First_sandbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-First_sandbox-20241130105500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-First_sandbox-20241130105500"></span>First sandbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-First_sandbox-20241130105500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rickypriv-20241130105500-First_sandbox"></span>I just creates my first sandbox and I want it to be an official entry <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)">Rickypriv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rickypriv" title="User talk:Rickypriv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rickypriv-20241130105500-First_sandbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rickypriv-20241130105500-First_sandbox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rickypriv-20241130105500-First_sandbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300-Rickypriv-20241130105500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)">Rickypriv</a>:</span> For <a href="/wiki/User:Rickypriv/sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rickypriv/sandbox">User:Rickypriv/sandbox</a>, you will need to base the text on what others have said about the band. Currently it has no sources, and all external links are published by the band. Secondly it is using puffery, like "top-tier", "passionate", "talented", "strong". Promotion is not allowed in Wikipedia. When the draft is ready for review, you can add {{subst:Submit}} and an AFC reviewer will see if it is suitable to be an article. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300-Rickypriv-20241130105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300-Rickypriv-20241130105500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300-Rickypriv-20241130105500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rickypriv-20241130113500-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300"></span>Ive just made some changes to the reference. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)">Rickypriv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rickypriv" title="User talk:Rickypriv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rickypriv-20241130113500-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rickypriv-20241130113500-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rickypriv-20241130113500-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130111300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241130120500-Rickypriv-20241130113500"></span>Rickypriv</a>, here's a sample from the version after your recent changes: <span style="color:olive">Known for blending diverse musical styles and visual storytelling, the group has become a fixture in the DCI World Class lineup, with notable productions that challenge and inspire its members artistically and personally.</span> This is PR puffery. But Wikipedia is not a PR conduit; it's an encyclopedia. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241130120500-Rickypriv-20241130113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241130120500-Rickypriv-20241130113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241130120500-Rickypriv-20241130113500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rickypriv-20241130122200-Hoary-20241130120500"></span>Thank you so much! Ive made the nessary changes to not sound convincing. Let me know what you think <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rickypriv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rickypriv (page does not exist)">Rickypriv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rickypriv" title="User talk:Rickypriv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rickypriv-20241130122200-Hoary-20241130120500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rickypriv-20241130122200-Hoary-20241130120500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rickypriv-20241130122200-Hoary-20241130120500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241130111700-Rickypriv-20241130105500"></span>Hello, @Rickypriv, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I have added a header to your sandbox, which would allow you to submit it for review. But as Graeme says, it would be a waste of everybody's time for you to do so now.</dd> <dd>Your draft is written <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">WP:BACKWARDS</a>, as usually happens when editors who have not spent time learning how Wikipedia works plunge straight into the challenging task of creating an article. Please understand that Wikipedia has absolutely no interest in what you know about the Corps (or what I know about it, or what any random person knows about it): it is <b>only</b> interested in what has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliably published</a> about it - and mostly, what has been published by people who have no connection with the corps.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241130111700-Rickypriv-20241130105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241130111700-Rickypriv-20241130105500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241130111700-Rickypriv-20241130105500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Internet_connection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Internet_connection-20241130121100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Internet_connection-20241130121100"></span>Internet connection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Internet_connection-20241130121100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100-Internet_connection"></span>Hello everyone, I have a quick question. I frequently switch between different internet connections, such as my home Wi-Fi, office Wi-Fi, a friend's mobile hotspot, or my university's Wi-Fi, and I use these to contribute to Wikipedia. Could this cause any issues? <a href="/wiki/User:Jannatulbaqi" title="User:Jannatulbaqi">Baqi:)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jannatulbaqi" title="User talk:Jannatulbaqi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100-Internet_connection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100-Internet_connection"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100-Internet_connection"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100"></span>Nothing unless the underlying IP address is hardblocked. Are you requesting IPBE permission right? Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IPBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IPBE">WP:IPBE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700-Jannatulbaqi-20241130121100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130125900-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700"></span>Okay, Thank you @<a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a>! <a href="/wiki/User:Jannatulbaqi" title="User:Jannatulbaqi">Baqi:)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jannatulbaqi" title="User talk:Jannatulbaqi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130125900-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130125900-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jannatulbaqi-20241130125900-Ahri_Boy-20241130125700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Improving_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Improving_article-20241130133800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Improving_article-20241130133800"></span>Improving article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Improving_article-20241130133800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alvini1223-20241130133800-Improving_article"></span>how to improve my editing ? I've done my best to get all the links in addition it was an old series back in 20 years ago, references are rarely found <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alvini1223&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alvini1223 (page does not exist)">Alvini1223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alvini1223" title="User talk:Alvini1223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Alvini1223-20241130133800-Improving_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alvini1223-20241130133800-Improving_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alvini1223-20241130133800-Improving_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130141700-Alvini1223-20241130133800"></span>This query appears to be about <a href="/wiki/Draft:Roja_(2003_TV_series)" title="Draft:Roja (2003 TV series)">Draft:Roja (2003 TV series)</a>, Declined twice and currently resubmitted. The reviewer gave reasons that the refs are not sufficient. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130141700-Alvini1223-20241130133800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130141700-Alvini1223-20241130133800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130141700-Alvini1223-20241130133800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130160900-David_notMD-20241130141700"></span>Refs do not have to be available on line. But it is probably hard to find newspaper or magazine articles from that time. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130160900-David_notMD-20241130141700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130160900-David_notMD-20241130141700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130160900-David_notMD-20241130141700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advice_re._possible_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advice_re._possible_vandalism-20241130151400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advice_re._possible_vandalism-20241130151400"></span>Advice re. possible vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advice_re._possible_vandalism-20241130151400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400-Advice_re._possible_vandalism"></span>Hi, can someone please take a look at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Floralfuryxx&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Floralfuryxx (page does not exist)">User:Floralfuryxx</a>? I've reverted an edit of theirs (their first one) & took a look at their Talk to bring it up, but now I'm not sure what to do. Most of their edits are disruptive (uncited speculation akin to a Fandom page) & there are very similar edits from IP's that I'm also a little concerned about. Weirdly, they've added an unblock notice (probably written by LLM) to their page despite not being blocked that I can see? They've continued with the unsourced/disruptive edits after being warned so I'm not sure how best to proceed, do you have any advice please? <a href="/wiki/User:Blue-Sonnet" title="User:Blue-Sonnet">Blue-Sonnet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blue-Sonnet" title="User talk:Blue-Sonnet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400-Advice_re._possible_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400-Advice_re._possible_vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400-Advice_re._possible_vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400"></span>Reported to AIV. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700-Blue-Sonnet-20241130151400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> Thank you so much, I was a bit nervous about doing that myself! <a href="/wiki/User:Blue-Sonnet" title="User:Blue-Sonnet">Blue-Sonnet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blue-Sonnet" title="User talk:Blue-Sonnet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100-Ahri_Boy-20241130152700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161300-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100"></span>Welcome, comrade. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161300-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161300-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161300-Blue-Sonnet-20241130155100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creating_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"></span>Creating articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Creating_articles-20241130160400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"></span>Does the create article button appear when I complete the medium and hard article edits? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400-Creating_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span>Yep. But recommend to be in draft space. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">WP:YFA</a> for a guide on how to create and then submit a draft. However, it is strongly advised you put in time attempting to improve existing articles before essaying to create an article. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130172800-Ahri_Boy-20241130161400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?" data-mw-thread-id="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"><span id="am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"></span>am I aloud to use this for posting about things?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?-20241130162200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"></span>I am new pardon me. I don't know what this is for. is it for posting about things i like? if you could answer that would be great thanks! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162200-am_I_aloud_to_use_this_for_posting_about_things?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span>my bad I'm just new <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130162400-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>As it says at the top of the page "Your go-to place for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia".It is not a place to post about things you like sorry, you can use social media for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-20241130163400-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"></span>I do not like social media so I will stay far away from here and social media <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156" title="Special:Contributions/24.101.0.156">24.101.0.156</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.101.0.156" title="User talk:24.101.0.156">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.101.0.156-20241130185600-Theroadislong-20241130163400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>The Teahouse page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241130163500-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span>Hi 24.101.0.156 and welcome to Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia. As such we only write about things that are factual and that we can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verify</a> by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">citing</a> a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>. Most people edit in subject areas which interest them. Please see the template I left on your talk page for more detailed information. If you would like more information about the project in general, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a>. Best regards... -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700-24.101.0.156-20241130162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"></span>For same reasons, Talk pages of articles are not a place to express what you like or do not like. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130173000-Ad_Orientem-20241130163700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span>Hello! It looks like there is a spelling mistake on the subject name. It is not "aloud" it should be "allowed". Hope this helps! <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211800-24.101.0.156-20241130162200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Misrepresented_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"></span>Misrepresented image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misrepresented_image-20241130163800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"></span>I don't know what the rules or procedures are about this, but this image looks like a problem. "<a href="/wiki/Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Abu Nidal Organization">Abu Nidal Organization</a> flag.jpg" (<a href="/wiki/File:Abu_Nidal_Organization_flag.jpg" title="File:Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg">file link</a>) </p><p>I found it used here on English Wikipedia, and it seems to be only hosted here locally, but not on commons. The image page here claims a non free use rationale, "to illustrate the government or agency in question", but I can't find any attribution for where the image came from? </p><p>Also, it looks like a less tightly cropped copy of the flag for a more well known group: "File: <a href="/wiki/Fatah" title="Fatah">Fatah</a> flag.png" (<a href="/wiki/File:Fatah_flag.png" title="File:Fatah flag.png">file link</a>) That image page has a similar statement, "Used for purposes of illustration in an educational article about the entity represented by the image". </p><p>But the page for <a href="/wiki/Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Abu Nidal Organization">Abu Nidal Organization</a> says the organizations split, so they're not the same entity / organization. <a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain">Industrial Metal Brain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User talk:Industrial Metal Brain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800-Misrepresented_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"></span>For the first file <a href="/wiki/File:Abu_Nidal_Organization_flag.jpg" title="File:Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg">File: Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg</a>, it was uploaded by <a href="/wiki/User:Dmhll" title="User:Dmhll">user:Dmhll</a> who is still active on Wikipedia. So you can ask about it. What is CAT-UXO? If it is a web site, it is best to link to the page it is from. But as you suggest, if it is not genuine or correct for that organisation, it does not satisfy the fair use criteria, and should be deleted. THis also lease me to <a href="/wiki/File:Fatah_Flag_Vector_Graphic.png" title="File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png">File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png</a> on commons, which has a false copyright label on it, as it would be a derivative of a copyrighted flag. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300-Industrial_Metal_Brain-20241130163800"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Metal_Brain" title="User:Industrial Metal Brain"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"></span>Industrial Metal Brain</a>, "Abu Nidal Organization" was the name used by Western sources. The group actually called itself "Fatah – Revolutionary Council" and it claimed to be the genuine Fatah. It therefore seems plausible that the group may have used the same flag as the original group led by <a href="/wiki/Yasser_Arafat" title="Yasser Arafat">Yasser Arafat</a> as a claim of legitimacy. I suggest that you discuss the matter at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Abu_Nidal_Organization" title="Talk:Abu Nidal Organization">Talk:Abu Nidal Organization</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241130215600-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130203300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"></span>1962 New York Yankees season table cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup-20241130180000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span>Hello. Go to above article, go to Composite Box-score by innings. Cant align the innings with data. Opponents on top, Yankees beneath. Thank you for your help.<a href="/wiki/User:Theairportman33531" title="User:Theairportman33531">Theairportman33531</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theairportman33531" title="User talk:Theairportman33531">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theairportman33531-20241130180000-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span>Please disregard. Fixed problem.<a href="/wiki/User:Theairportman33531" title="User:Theairportman33531">Theairportman33531</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theairportman33531" title="User talk:Theairportman33531">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theairportman33531-20241130204800-1962_New_York_Yankees_season_table_cleanup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"><span id="A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor.27s_Survey"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"></span>A Quick Wikipedia Editor's Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey-20241130195000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"></span>Hello everyone, I'm a student at UTK and I come seeking answers on how editors for Wikipedia feel about editing for the site. I know this isn't the most appropriate place to post a survey however Wikipedia's Teahouse is full of active editors and so I believe this to be the best course of action for finding editors for the survey. The survey results will ideally paint a picture on how editors or community members feel about their continued use of Wikipedia, this is to gain insight on informational database communities. After I've gathered the survey results, I plan to write an article for Wikipedia elaborating on the results to share my findings with the public in case anyone else is interested. Here is a link to the survey, I greatly appreciate anyone taking the time to check out this survey. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScB-CUzRsX5SYAA9oxqJfS6-4eCEq1zQmE55AL6WZ89wAQjvQ/viewform?usp=sf_link">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScB-CUzRsX5SYAA9oxqJfS6-4eCEq1zQmE55AL6WZ89wAQjvQ/viewform?usp=sf_link</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jaboyflamed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jaboyflamed (page does not exist)">Jaboyflamed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jaboyflamed" title="User talk:Jaboyflamed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000-A_Quick_Wikipedia_Editor's_Survey"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jaboyflamed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jaboyflamed (page does not exist)">Jaboyflamed</a>:</span> I will comment that an article on Wikipedia is not the place to publish original research no matter how exciting or relevant. However <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Wikipedia Signpost</a> would be interested in this. Perhaps <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity" title="Wikiversity">Wikiversity</a> would publish original research. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241130201900-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span>Badly designed survey question: "Have you encountered instances of bias in Wikipedia articles?". Wikipedia is biased by design. See <a href="/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Yes._We_are_biased." title="User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.">User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.</a> Wikipedia is biased toward verifiable facts. And that is a good thing. It is impossible to answer "no" to that question. The responses you get from that would be meaningless; garbage in, garbage out.</dd> <dd>Another poor question is "How inclusive do you find the Wikipedia community in welcoming new contributors?" Initially everyone is assumed welcome but it quickly becomes evident how many new accounts were created simply to promote something or flout the rules, and those people are not welcome at all. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-20241130204700-Jaboyflamed-20241130195000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Learning_in_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"></span>Learning in Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Learning_in_Wikipedia-20241130211600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"></span>What should I learn after editing? Should I practice creating or something else? <a href="/wiki/User:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User:Taymallah Belkadri">Taymallah Belkadri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taymallah_Belkadri" title="User talk:Taymallah Belkadri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600-Learning_in_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span>Creating a new article is hard, which is why new editors are advised to work on improving existing articles for a while before attempting to create. As for where to practice, your personal Sandbox is a good place, especially while learning how to corectly format references. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241130212400-Taymallah_Belkadri-20241130211600"></span></dd></dl></div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1260459917">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1260459917</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Teahouse" title="Category:Wikipedia Teahouse">Wikipedia Teahouse</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_help_forums" title="Category:Wikipedia help forums">Wikipedia help forums</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_using_deprecated_source_tags" title="Category:Pages using deprecated source tags">Pages using deprecated source tags</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_with_syntax_highlighting_errors" title="Category:Pages with syntax highlighting errors">Pages with syntax highlighting errors</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:CS1_Greek-language_sources_(el)" title="Category:CS1 Greek-language sources (el)">CS1 Greek-language sources (el)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pages_with_incorrect_protection_templates" title="Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates">Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_that_should_not_be_manually_archived" title="Category:Pages that should not be manually archived">Pages that should not be manually archived</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 30 November 2024, at 21:56<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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