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If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Philosophy" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philosophy">general discussion</a></b> about philosophy content on Wikipedia.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Philosophy</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Philosophy</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Philosophy articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-high"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_Philosophy_articles" title="Category:High-importance Philosophy articles">High</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>High-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Philosophy/Assessment#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy/Assessment">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy." data-mw-thread-id="h-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy.-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy.-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"></span>There are some errors when describing alchemy.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy.-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hermeticism&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: There are some errors when describing alchemy."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy."></span>Although the different hermetic perspective appear to not be talking about the same subject they are actually symbolically speaking about the same principles of alchemy. Each of them describe the steps/process explained from the "Emerald Tablet" however different cultures had their own way to express these same universal principles. Therefore at times it will seem as if different regions, time periods, cultures etc are not in alignment with their fundamental meaning but that is a common misconception. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D" title="Special:Contributions/2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D">2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z-There_are_some_errors_when_describing_alchemy."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epinoia-2022-02-07T18:33:00.000Z-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"></span>- citations to reliable sources required to support claims, otherwise it is original research per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Epinoia" title="User:Epinoia">Epinoia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epinoia" title="User talk:Epinoia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-Epinoia-2022-02-07T18:33:00.000Z-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epinoia-2022-02-07T18:33:00.000Z-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epinoia-2022-02-07T18:33:00.000Z-2601:1C0:4300:AA40:DA4:7E78:A23C:647D-2022-02-07T16:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arabic_Tradition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arabic_Tradition-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arabic_Tradition-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"></span>Arabic Tradition<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arabic_Tradition-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hermeticism&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Arabic Tradition"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z-Arabic_Tradition"></span>The history of the Hermetic Tradition currently skips from a brief (wholly inadequate) discussion of Late Antiquity to the Renaissance. Not only is this extremely Eurocentric, it also does not make any sense. I can see from the talk page that the Sabians of Harran were mentioned on the version of the page from fifteen years ago. Perhaps this should be brought back, and a section on the Arabic Hermetica expanded. I have a few sources for this so I may create this section over the next few days. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.205.208.11" title="Special:Contributions/31.205.208.11">31.205.208.11</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:31.205.208.11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:31.205.208.11 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z-Arabic_Tradition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z-Arabic_Tradition"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z-Arabic_Tradition"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apaugasma-2022-05-19T15:05:00.000Z-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"></span>If your sources are of the type that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">Wikipedia considers reliable</a> (in this case, academic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PSTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PSTS">secondary</a> sources), please do expand the article! <abbr title="Awesome face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/18px-718smiley.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/27px-718smiley.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/718smiley.svg/36px-718smiley.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="733" data-file-height="733"/></span></span></abbr> However, you should probably begin by reading <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFVan_Bladel2009" class="citation book cs1">Van Bladel, Kevin (2009). <i>The Arabic Hermes: From Pagan Sage to Prophet of Science</i>. Oxford: Oxford University Press. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-19-537613-5" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-19-537613-5"><bdi>978-0-19-537613-5</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=The+Arabic+Hermes%3A+From+Pagan+Sage+to+Prophet+of+Science&rft.place=Oxford&rft.pub=Oxford+University+Press&rft.date=2009&rft.isbn=978-0-19-537613-5&rft.aulast=Van+Bladel&rft.aufirst=Kevin&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AHermeticism" class="Z3988"></span></dd> <dd>One of the main things you'll learn there is that the obscure religion of the <a href="/wiki/Sabians_of_Harran" class="mw-redirect" title="Sabians of Harran">Sabians of Harran</a> has little or nothing to do with Hermeticism. It seems to have been a late survival of Hellenistic polytheism, and as such <a href="/wiki/Hermes" title="Hermes">Hermes</a> may have been held in some esteem by them, but on the one hand their religion was much broader than the narrow philosophical interests of Hermeticism, and on the other hand we could never learn anything about Hermeticism (assuming they had any connection to it in the first place) through them, since we have no extant sources from them (while we <i>do</i> have a rather large of corpus of <a href="/wiki/Hermetica#Arabic" title="Hermetica">Arabic Hermetic texts</a>, wholly unrelated to the Sabians, that remains practically uninvestigated by scholars). Thanks, <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿ <a href="/wiki/User:Apaugasma" title="User:Apaugasma"><span style="color:#6a0dad">Apaugasma</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apaugasma" title="User talk:Apaugasma"><span style="color:#000">talk</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Apaugasma" title="Special:Contributions/Apaugasma">☉</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-Apaugasma-2022-05-19T15:05:00.000Z-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 19 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Apaugasma-2022-05-19T15:05:00.000Z-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Apaugasma-2022-05-19T15:05:00.000Z-31.205.208.11-2022-03-15T09:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mental_Plane" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mental_Plane-20220824091000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mental_Plane-20220824091000"></span>Mental Plane<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mental_Plane-20220824091000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hermeticism&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Mental Plane"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sirfurboy-20220824091000-Mental_Plane"></span>Hi there Hermetiscism experts, I am looking at this page: <a href="/wiki/Mental_plane" class="mw-redirect" title="Mental plane">Mental plane</a> which has not a single citation but a fair bit of information. I am trying to decide whether it is a subject worth developing, something that should be merged somewhere or something that needs a bit of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TNT">WP:TNT</a>. It claims that the Mental Plane is found in various philosophies and traditions, including yours. Is that correct? Most of the stuff I have found is only about Theosophy (or else something completely different!) If it is relevant to yourselves, you might want to make some edits there or else wight in on what it needs. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Sirfurboy" title="User:Sirfurboy">Sirfurboy🏄</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sirfurboy" title="User talk:Sirfurboy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-Sirfurboy-20220824091000-Mental_Plane" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 24 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sirfurboy-20220824091000-Mental_Plane"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sirfurboy-20220824091000-Mental_Plane"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pseudo-history" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pseudo-history-20221026175800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pseudo-history-20221026175800"></span>Pseudo-history<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pseudo-history-20221026175800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hermeticism&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Pseudo-history"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB-20221026175800-Pseudo-history"></span>According the Wikipedia page on pseudo history, pseudo history is a deliberate attempt to distort history through faulty methods. The use of pseudo history implies that occultists were manipulating historical facts, where is the evidence that this was the case? They more likely used the term to describe a broader system of beliefs and “hermetic” just became broader. I don’t think they were trying to rewrite history like “pseudo history” implies. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB" title="Special:Contributions/2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB">2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hermeticism#c-2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB-20221026175800-Pseudo-history" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB-20221026175800-Pseudo-history"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB-20221026175800-Pseudo-history"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apaugasma-20221027122200-2603:6010:11F0:3C0:D0C4:1D11:F82B:A9FB-20221026175800"></span>The fault here may lie with the wording of the <a href="/wiki/Pseudohistory" title="Pseudohistory">Pseudohistory</a> Wikipedia article, but pseudohistory is not necessarily <i>deliberate</i>. Indeed, most often its practitioners believe that they are revealing the 'truth' to humanity in good faith. Rather, what is characteristic of pseudohistory as outlined by our article is the political/religious/personal agenda, the sensational claims, the historical revisionism, the accusation that mainstream scholars 'hide' the truth, the use of myths and legends as credible sources, and the conflation of demonstrating that something could theoretically have happened with demonstrating that it actually did happen. You will find all of these in <a href="/wiki/Occultist" class="mw-redirect" title="Occultist">occultist</a> literature such as the works of <a href="/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky" title="Helena Blavatsky">Helena Blavatsky</a>, which are particularly relevant with regard to Hermeticism (see <a href="/wiki/Hermeticism#CITEREFProphet2018" title="Hermeticism">Hermeticism#CITEREFProphet2018</a>).</dd> <dd>The term 'rewriting history' is often applied to distortions of the historical record for expressly political purposes, and this is indeed not what the occultists were doing. But that does not mean that they were not distorting the historical record: they were just doing it in the context of the history of philosophy and religion rather than, say, in military history. See for example our article on the Neohermetic phrase '<a href="/wiki/As_above,_so_below" title="As above, so below">As above, so below</a>', which Blavatsky interpreted in terms of such historically unrelated thought systems as <a href="/wiki/Pythagoreanism" title="Pythagoreanism">Pythagoreanism</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kabbalah" title="Kabbalah">Kabbalah</a> and <a href="/wiki/Buddhism" title="Buddhism">Buddhism</a>. See also the reference given there to <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">our <i>erudite</i> scholars</q>, a typical jab at the mainstream. Or see her quintessential <a href="/wiki/Perennialist" class="mw-redirect" title="Perennialist">perennialist</a> statement cited in the 'As above, so below' article, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">There is no prominent character in all the annals of sacred or profane history whose prototype we cannot find in the half-fictitious and half-real traditions of bygone religions and mythologies</q>: by regarding myths and legends as the most fundamental sources for 'true' history (when rid from fictitious and specific details they provide the general blueprint of everything that ever happened and will happen), perennialism as a historiographic methodology is inherently pseudo-historical. If any myth that reminds some occultist author of something in the <i><a href="/wiki/Hermetica" title="Hermetica">Hermetica</a></i>, whether they have found that myth in Hinduism or in some native American thought system or somewhere else yet, is to be called 'Hermetic', the term will indeed get entirely divorced from its historical context, and eventually lose all meaning. 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