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{{Canada-AB-geo-stub}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>This is a redirect to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Alberta-geo-stub" title="Template:Alberta-geo-stub">Alberta-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. As it has an arcane name, it is unlikely to be used by accident and I think it's best to remove the potential for it being used intentionally. This has been orphaned.<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Ceyockey" title="User:Ceyockey">Courtland</a> July 2, 2005 13:36 (UTC) </p> <ul><li><s><b>Weak keep</b></s> - see below. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 2 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}-July_2nd-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z"><span id="Delete_redirect_.7B.7BCanada-BC-geo-stub.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}-July_2nd-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z"></span>Delete redirect <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Canada-BC-geo-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Canada-BC-geo-stub (page does not exist)">Canada-BC-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}-July_2nd-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Delete redirect {{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}"></span>This is a redirect to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:BrColumbia-geo-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:BrColumbia-geo-stub">BrColumbia-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. It's name is understandable, but it doesn't conform to the stub template title guidelines in having "Canada-BC-geo" rather than "CanadaBC-geo". Also, it is not consistent in form with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Alberta-geo-stub" title="Template:Alberta-geo-stub">Alberta-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (i.e. 'Canadian province'-geo-stub). This has been orphaned.<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Ceyockey" title="User:Ceyockey">Courtland</a> July 2, 2005 15:35 (UTC) </p> <ul><li><s><b>Weak keep</b>.</s> These two redirects, plus <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Canada-ON-geo-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Canada-ON-geo-stub (page does not exist)">Canada-ON-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Canada-QC-geo-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Canada-QC-geo-stub (page does not exist)">Canada-QC-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> were deliberately created as part of the canda geo-split last month. Given that thy are a further split of Canada-geo-stub into smaller sections, they do conform to title guidelines, although the smaller variable is the second, rather than the first part, much as it is in US-midwest-geo-stub and the like. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 2 July 2005 19:58 (UTC) (modified, as noted below) <ul><li>Then should the BrColumbia-geo and Alberta-geo stub templates be deleted? Or do you want to keep them all. <a href="/wiki/User:Ceyockey" title="User:Ceyockey">Courtland</a> July 3, 2005 18:51 (UTC)</li></ul></li> <li>The orginal idea was to keep both, with the Province-geo-stub as the main name and the others as redirects, in the same way that it was originally intended that there would be US state redirects like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:US-WA-geo-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:US-WA-geo-stub (page does not exist)">US-WA-geo-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I see though that those weren't made... personally, I prefer using the Province-geo-stub names, but the others were created because other stub sorters said they'd be useful. If they're not being used, though... hmmm. <s>Make my vote a weak keep rather than a strong one.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 4 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)</li> <li>The more I think about it, the more I think that if these aren't being used, there's no real point in having them. I'm not actually going to vote against them, but I'm cancelling my vote of keep for the redirects. I'm quite happy just to have the Province-geo-stub names and leave it at that. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 8 July 2005 08:20 (UTC)</li></ul> <p><i><b>Note on the two votes above</b>: I relisted all four of the redirects for more comments, and I'm logging this as <b>no consensus</b>. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> <a href="/wiki/User:Grm_wnr" title="User:Grm wnr">grm_wnr</a> </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grm_wnr" title="User talk:Grm wnr"><span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 9 July 2005 (UTC)</a></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-09T20:18:00.000Z-Delete_redirect_{{Canada-BC-geo-stub}}"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_6th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"></span>July 6th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: July 6th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7Bkiwi-stub.7D.7D_.28redirect.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Kiwi-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Kiwi-stub (page does not exist)">kiwi-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (redirect)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)-July_6th-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: {{kiwi-stub}} (redirect)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"></span>This links to New Zealand stubs, which is good, but...<i>kiwi</i>-stub? Last time I checked there was no alternative stub or redirect for New Zealand related stubs. <a href="/wiki/User:*Kat*" title="User:*Kat*">*Kat*</a> 06:16, May 21, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>There isn't. Sigh - this had to happen eventually... this is the first template I ever made - long before I knew the naming standards. I'd suggest making <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:NZ-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NZ-stub">NZ-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and redirecting kiwi-stub to it, until such time as the population of kiwi-stub drops (currently there are a couple of hundred of them). At least try to keep my kiwi icon :) <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 21 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-05-21T06:21:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"></span></dd></dl> <p><i><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2005-07-11T06:39:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"></span>Comment:</b> Some not really stub-related discussion followed, which I'm not taking to this page. This redirect is still used on 100+ articles. I myself see little harm in <b>keep</b>ing the redirect. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> <a href="/wiki/User:Grm_wnr" title="User:Grm wnr">grm_wnr</a> </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grm_wnr" title="User talk:Grm wnr"><span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span></a> 6 July 2005 12:50 (UTC)</i> </p> <ul><li><b>Keep</b>. Quite logical, actually. It's not harming anything either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sn0wflake" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sn0wflake">Sn0wflake</a> 6 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)</li> <li>I know I'm biased, but I can't see any harm in <b>keep</b>ing this, despite its non-standard name. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 7 July 2005 04:49 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Keep</b>, but redirect. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2005-07-11T06:39:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2005-07-11T06:39:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2005-07-11T06:39:00.000Z-{{kiwi-stub}}_(redirect)"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete_cat)" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete-July_6th-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7BCartoon-stub.7D.7D_.28and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs.29_.28redirect_template.2C_delete_cat.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete-July_6th-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cartoon-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cartoon-stub">Cartoon-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Cartoon-related_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Cartoon-related stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Cartoon-related stubs</a>) (redirect template, delete cat)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete-July_6th-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: {{Cartoon-stub}} (and Category:Cartoon-related stubs) (redirect template, delete cat)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"></span>I've just been through this, looking at what was in there - what a mess! I emptied out 16 stubs, which now have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Animation-stub" title="Template:Animation-stub">animation-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (6); <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Anime-stub" title="Template:Anime-stub">anime-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (3); <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Disney-stub" title="Template:Disney-stub">Disney-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (1); <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Comics-stub" title="Template:Comics-stub">comics-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (3); <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Tvseries-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Tvseries-stub">tvseries-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (2); and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Ad-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Ad-stub (page does not exist)">ad-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (1). It's now empty, and since it plays havoc with the hierarchy (it slices! It dices!), I suggest getting rid of it. Any objections? Comments? <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><i>wha?</i></a> <font color="green"><small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)</a></small></font><i></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-05-27T08:35:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"></span>I agree to deleting it. <a href="/wiki/User:Hiding" title="User:Hiding">Hiding</a> 13:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC) </p><p>The title and concept are common enough that it might be recreated at any time, several times. If you agree with that, then it might be wise to keep it around as a redirect (recalling the "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" saying), probably pointing at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Animation-stub" title="Template:Animation-stub">animation-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. This allows the semantics of the template to be controlled by association. <a href="/wiki/User:Ceyockey" title="User:Ceyockey">Courtland</a> 01:30, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Not a bad idea. As the above emptying showed, it links more to animation-stub than to any of the others. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 02:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)</dd> <dd>I'm kind of worried about equating cartoon with animation, but yes, I agree that that's probably the practical solution.<a href="/wiki/User:Hiding" title="User:Hiding">Hiding</a> 08:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>It is a bit of a kludge, but sadly there's no such thing as a disambiguation template! <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 08:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><i><b>Comment:</b> I missed that this one wasn't already redirected. Has now 23 articles again. I would prefer to <b>delete</b> it, but could also live with a merge/redirect to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Animation-stub" title="Template:Animation-stub">animation-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which would mean deleting the category only. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> <a href="/wiki/User:Grm_wnr" title="User:Grm wnr">grm_wnr</a> </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grm_wnr" title="User talk:Grm wnr"><span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span></a> 6 July 2005 22:12 (UTC)</i> </p> <ul><li><b>Redirect</b> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Animation-stub" title="Template:Animation-stub">Animation-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sn0wflake" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sn0wflake">Sn0wflake</a> 7 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)</li></ul> <p><b>Keep</b> it for now. It seems that the category continues to be used. Although you maybe right that many of the stubs can be moved to other areas, there are enough of stub articles that would be difficult to place and this also becomes a decent dump location for those who do not know what to do with their stubs. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aznph8playa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aznph8playa (page does not exist)">Aznph8playa</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z-{{Cartoon-stub}}_(and_Category:Cartoon-related_stubs)_(redirect_template,_delete"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T12:19:00.000Z-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z"></span>I can't see any in there that would be difficult to place - all of them are well served by other - less ambiguous - stub templates. And the fact that they belong in several different categories is a good indication that <b>deletion</b> is probably better than redirection, although redirection is still a better option than keeping it. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-11T12:19:00.000Z-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T12:19:00.000Z-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T12:19:00.000Z-Aznph8playa-2005-07-11T10:24:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_9th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span>July 9th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: July 9th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7Bseminary-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Category:Seminary_stubs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Seminary-stub" title="Template:Seminary-stub">seminary-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> / <a href="/wiki/Category:Seminary_stubs" title="Category:Seminary stubs">Category:Seminary stubs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs-July_9th-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: {{seminary-stub}} / Category:Seminary stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs"></span>Created just on two months ago, and in that time it's been used on one article. I doubt there would be many more it could be used on, and it's adequately covered by school-stub and/or reli-stub anyway. There isn't even a category for seminary, so why would we need a stub category for it? <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> 9 July 2005 10:31 (UTC) </p> <ul><li><b>Delete</b> - I'm really enjoying this, as an <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians" class="extiw" title="m:Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians">inclusionist</a> I don't get to use the D word often! :-) <a href="/wiki/User:PhilHibbs" title="User:PhilHibbs"></a> — <a href="/wiki/User:PhilHibbs" title="User:PhilHibbs">PhilHibbs</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:PhilHibbs" title="User talk:PhilHibbs">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z-{{seminary-stub}}_/_Category:Seminary_stubs"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gentgeen-2005-07-14T18:49:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span>keep</b>. If you look at <a href="/wiki/Seminary" title="Seminary">Seminary</a>, you will see a very incomplete list of seminaries, many of which could be classified as stubs. I've added the stub template to a small number, but the need is there. If the problem is that there isn't a <a href="/wiki/Category:Seminaries" title="Category:Seminaries">seminary category</a>, its easy enough to make one (and there is a <a href="/wiki/Category:Roman_Catholic_seminaries" title="Category:Roman Catholic seminaries">category for RC seminaries</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gentgeen" title="User:Gentgeen">Gentgeen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Gentgeen-2005-07-14T18:49:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 14 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gentgeen-2005-07-14T18:49:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gentgeen-2005-07-14T18:49:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FourthAve-2005-07-21T20:40:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span>keep</b>, or rename to something like 'theological seminaries'. The trouble with categories is being able to find them in the first place, and then to use them correctly. I can think of additional entries for the category. An artfully phrased argument on google would probably turn up quite a number, many of which probably have wiki articles. A clear distinction needs to be made between theo. sems. and bible colleges.--<a href="/wiki/User:FourthAve" title="User:FourthAve">FourthAve</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-FourthAve-2005-07-21T20:40:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FourthAve-2005-07-21T20:40:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FourthAve-2005-07-21T20:40:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joy-2005-07-21T21:14:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span>Heh, it looks like someone went through the trouble and filled it up nicely. It looks much better now. Maybe we should nominate other stub types for deletion and see if we get the same effect :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Joy" title="User:Joy">Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Joy-2005-07-21T21:14:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joy-2005-07-21T21:14:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joy-2005-07-21T21:14:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T05:45:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span>A reasonnable <b>keep</b>, now. <a href="/wiki/User:Circeus" title="User:Circeus">Circeus</a> 21:17, July 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Keep</b> 54 articles, nice work.<a href="/wiki/User:Inigmatus" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Inigmatus">inigmatus</a> 21:53, July 22, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li>OK good save. Definitely worth keeping now. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-23T05:45:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T05:45:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T05:45:00.000Z-PhilHibbs-2005-07-14T12:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_11th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span>July 11th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: July 11th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-depot-stub}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7BAustralia-depot-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_.2F_redirect_at_.7B.7BAU-depot-stub.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-depot-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> / <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Australian_rail_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Australian rail stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Australian rail stubs</a> / redirect at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:AU-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:AU-depot-stub (page does not exist)">AU-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep-July_11th-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: {{Australia-depot-stub}} / Category:Australian rail stubs / redirect at {{AU-depot-stub}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"></span>This one is a problem in three parts. I don't intend for a deletion of the category and main template, although I do feel the redirect (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:AU-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:AU-depot-stub (page does not exist)">AU-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) should go. The problem, sadly, is more subtle than that. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:XX-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:XX-depot-stub (page does not exist)">XX-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is for railway stations. yet for some reason <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-depot-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is being used for railways <i>in general</i> - tracks, companies, disasters, you name it. I would propose <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-depot-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-depot-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-depot-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Australia_train_station_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Australia train station stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Australia train station stubs</a>, and if there are enough stubs left that don't count, having that as a child of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-rail-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-rail-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-rail-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Australia_rail_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Australia rail stubs (page does not exist)">Category: Australia rail stubs</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susvolans-2005-07-12T07:11:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span>Rename to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-rail-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-rail-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-rail-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></b>. The whole -depot-stub naming convention is a wretched abomination, and it is by no means clear to me that a specific stub category for stations is useful. <a href="/wiki/User:Susvolans" title="User:Susvolans">Susvolans</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susvolans" title="User talk:Susvolans">(pigs can fly)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Susvolans-2005-07-12T07:11:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susvolans-2005-07-12T07:11:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susvolans-2005-07-12T07:11:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-11T08:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottDavis-2005-07-23T06:15:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"></span>Resolved: renamed/redirected to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Australia-rail-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Australia-rail-stub (page does not exist)">Australia-rail-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> --<a href="/wiki/User:ScottDavis" title="User:ScottDavis">ScottDavis</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-ScottDavis-2005-07-23T06:15:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 23 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottDavis-2005-07-23T06:15:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottDavis-2005-07-23T06:15:00.000Z-{{Australia-depot-stub}}_/_Category:Australian_rail_stubs_/_redirect_at_{{AU-dep"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_12th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>July 12th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: July 12th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7Bsoft-eng-stub.7D.7D.2F_Category:Software_engineering_stubs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Soft-eng-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Soft-eng-stub">soft-eng-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>/ <a href="/wiki/Category:Software_engineering_stubs" title="Category:Software engineering stubs">Category:Software engineering stubs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs-July_12th-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: {{soft-eng-stub}}/ Category:Software engineering stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs"></span>This is covered by other stubs and is near empty. Doesnt fit the Stub project name guidelines either. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:202.180.83.6&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:202.180.83.6 (page does not exist)">202.180.83.6</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-{{soft-eng-stub}}/_Category:Software_engineering_stubs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Fixing nomination. This was on the wrong day, only nominated the template and not the category, and wasn't on sfd-current. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small></small></i><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a><i></i></small><i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-1"></span>Weak keep</b>. This seems to have a community of interest behind it, although it would be useful if they had proposed it through WP:WSS. Could grow, although it's not up to criterion yet. The stub name may need changing, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T01:00:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z-1"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:34:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Strong keep</b>. This is a stub about <a href="/wiki/Software_engineering" title="Software engineering">Software engineering</a>. It's a seperate, distinct branch of <a href="/wiki/Computer_science" title="Computer science">Computer science</a>. so, it needs differenciation. I don't see why we need to rename it, anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Project2501a" title="User:Project2501a">Project2501a</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:34:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:34:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:34:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b>: uh, i'm fixing the category right now. should have 45 articles added to it in uh, 50 minutes. i'm on dial up. <a href="/wiki/User:Project2501a" title="User:Project2501a">Project2501a</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b>: The current name isn't in line with stub template naming, as being too ambiguous (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WSS/NG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WSS/NG">WP:WSS/NG</a>). "Eng" could mean engineering, engraving, England, engine, engagement, or any of dozens of other things. In fact it's already used to mean England on another stub type (again, one that probably needs renaming). <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z-Project2501a-2005-07-12T01:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-131.230.133.185-2005-07-20T00:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z"></span>The "soft-" gives all the disambiguating context necessary. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:131.230.133.185&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:131.230.133.185 (page does not exist)">131.230.133.185</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-131.230.133.185-2005-07-20T00:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-131.230.133.185-2005-07-20T00:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-131.230.133.185-2005-07-20T00:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-12T02:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T04:59:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b>. This is a significant, if young, field and deserves segregation from computer science generally. <a href="/wiki/User:Kelly_Martin" title="User:Kelly Martin">Kelly Martin</a> 02:37, July 12, 2005 (UTC) <ul><li><b>Comment</b>: Significance of the field is important for normal categorisation, but is irrelevant as far as stub categorisation is concerned. Far more importance is the relevance of the split in terms of number of items within the category, as the only real purpose of the stub categories is to help editors. The main questions to ask are: will a split reduce an overburdened category? (not really - most of the computer fields are standard stub sorting limits); Are there enough stubs (i.e., 60-100) for a split? (currently no, but getting close, and it is likely to soon); Is the field covered by other stubs? (yes, but only approximately). This is the whole reason why stub categories and templates are proposed and debated before creation. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-12T04:59:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T04:59:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T04:59:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-12T07:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Flamingspinach" title="User:Flamingspinach">flamingspinach</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flamingspinach" title="User talk:Flamingspinach">(talk)</a> 02:46:50, 2005-07-12 (UTC)</li> <li>(Weak) <b>keep</b>, precedent has been set with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Canberra_suburb_stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Canberra suburb stub (page does not exist)">Canberra suburb stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which was kept even though its parent was smaller, and its field was much narrower. Rename might be useful, though I see relatively little ambiguity here (and we've got worse). Software engraving is not really an option I might consider ;). --<span style="font-family:monospace"> <a href="/wiki/User:Grm_wnr" title="User:Grm wnr">grm_wnr</a> </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grm_wnr" title="User talk:Grm wnr"><span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-12T07:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-12T07:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grm_wnr-2005-07-12T07:36:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>and I would have liked to see an engraved software, not the usual engraved hardware, such as stones...and <b>keep</b>, btw, but would a <b>rename</b>, perhaps to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Software-eng-stub" title="Template:Software-eng-stub">software-eng-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>solve the slight dissens? <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T09:52:00.000Z-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z"></span>It's more the "eng" I'm worried about - we use "soft" elsewhere for software, but - as I said before - we use "eng" elsewhere for England. But if people are happy with it I'm willing to go with the flow. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-12T09:52:00.000Z-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T09:52:00.000Z-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-12T09:52:00.000Z-Lectonar-2005-07-12T08:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IByte-2005-07-14T22:09:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Keep:</b> This is definitely a distinct research area within Computer Science (so we could expect more articles on it). I don't mind renaming, though. --<a href="/wiki/User:IByte" title="User:IByte">IByte</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-IByte-2005-07-14T22:09:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 14 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IByte-2005-07-14T22:09:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IByte-2005-07-14T22:09:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Splash-2005-07-15T02:08:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b>: important research area and ambiguity is unlikely to be a problem, since editors won't be looking for the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Soft-english&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Soft-english (page does not exist)">soft-english</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.... -<a href="/wiki/User:Splash" title="User:Splash">Splash</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Splash-2005-07-15T02:08:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Splash-2005-07-15T02:08:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Splash-2005-07-15T02:08:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-R.Koot-2005-07-20T23:29:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Strong keep</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:R.Koot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:R.Koot">R.Koot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-R.Koot-2005-07-20T23:29:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-R.Koot-2005-07-20T23:29:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-R.Koot-2005-07-20T23:29:00.000Z-202.180.83.6-2005-07-12T00:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_18th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>July 18th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: July 18th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7BBroadway-stub.7D.7D.2FCategory:Broadway_stubs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Broadway-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Broadway-stub (page does not exist)">Broadway-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>/<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Broadway_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Broadway stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Broadway stubs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: {{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs"></span>Created a month ago, since used on one article - only discovered today when it was put on the stub list (i.e., not cleared via WP:WSS/C. Category doesn't have all the usual parents, but otherwise well formed. But an unnecessary split of Theatre stubs - which isn't heavily populated (<500 at last tally), and not a good way of splitting it (if it were to be split, then musicals/ballet/drama would be a more obvious first split). <s>Not useful.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small><i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 18 July 2005 (UTC)</a><font color="black"></font></i><font color="black"> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs"></span></font><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z-{{Broadway-stub}}/Category:Broadway_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p><font color="black"><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:07:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Changing my vote from delete to neutral. I'm not entirely convinced, but there <i>is</i> a WikiProject, which does change matters. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:07:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:07:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:07:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b>. I created the stub as part of a WikiProject that I started, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Broadway" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Broadway">WikiProject Broadway</a></b>. I haven't been working with the project in a little while, but I've been intending to go back and get the stub used on more articles. There are a fair amount of articles (and articles that need writing) on Broadway Theatres, Broadway shows, and other topics (actors, notable Broadway directors and designers), that I've been planning to work on, and was hoping to use the stub for. I apologise for not submitting the stub for consideration to WP:WSS/C, I hadn't been by that page previously, and didn't realize that was expected. If <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a> would consider rescinding the STfD, I would be delighted to do so, however I do not want to submit the stub concurrently with an open deletion vote.Thanks for your time and consideration. <a href="/wiki/User:Evilphoenix" title="User:Evilphoenix">EvilPhoenix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evilphoenix" title="User talk:Evilphoenix">talk</a> 02:59, July 18, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Comment</b> I would agree that musicals/ballet/drama/opera is a better way of dividing the stubs. --<a href="/wiki/User:BaronLarf" title="User:BaronLarf">Baron</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BaronLarf" title="User talk:BaronLarf">Larf</a> 05:28, July 18, 2005 (UTC)</li></ul></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd>Well, the project I'm currently working on is to make entries for all current Broadway shows, and the theatres that they run in, which in themselves have a pretty interesting history. When I split out the project from WikiProject Theatre, I was thinking more about a <i>geographical</i> distribution than a topical one. New York City <i>is</i> the most important city for Theatre in the United States, and is what I'm trying to focus on with this project. Broadway encompasses musicals and drama (but not ballet or opera, imo), which is why I wanted the more inclusive tag: It can be used for theatre building articles, director/designer articles, articles about shows themselves, etc, whereas directors, theatre buildings, and designers are harder to categorize into musicals, drama, opera, or ballet, as they can easily be relevant to several or all of those categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Evilphoenix" title="User:Evilphoenix">EvilPhoenix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evilphoenix" title="User talk:Evilphoenix">talk</a> 06:27, July 18, 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>The problem is that very few noteworthy plays, actors, or directors play <i>only</i> on Broadway - which is why they'd be better served by other stubs (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Actor-stub" title="Template:Actor-stub">actor-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, for instance). Theatres themselves, of course, are happily covered by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:NYC-stub" title="Template:NYC-stub">NYC-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and/or by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:US-struct-stub" title="Template:US-struct-stub">US-struct-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. It makes far more sense to split things up by the categories currently in use than introducing a new one that cuts across them. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-21T06:21:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span>Alright, as I understand it, the hierarchy which is proposed as more appropriate is as follows:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li>Theatre <ul><li>Musicals</li> <li>Ballet</li> <li>Drama</li> <li>Opera.</li></ul></li></ul></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Allow me to compare that with the current hierarchy, as it exists within the Theatre categories(this is not the full hierarchy, just those relevant to my point):</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li>Theatre <ul><li>Cabaret</li> <li>Drama</li> <li>Dramatists and Playwrights</li> <li>Plays</li> <li>Theatre by Nationality <ul><li>British Theatre</li> <li>Canadian Theatre</li> <li>U.S. Theatre <ul><li>New York Theatre <ul><li>Broadway Theatre</li> <li>Off and Off/Off Broadway Theatre</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Theatres</li></ul></li></ul></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, as you can see, the hierarchy in place does split off Drama and Plays, but it does not currently include Ballet (perhaps it should), but Ballet falls more under Dance and Music, as does Opera, which is also not included (perhaps it should be). However, what I would like to point out, is the categorization of Broadway Theatre, parented to New York, U.S, and Geographic descriptions of theatre. The suggestion has been made to split off the projects differently, as per above, while I would argue that if you look at the existing hierarchy of Categories, Broadway Theatre falls under a different area, and therefore different split. Personally, I feel that WikiProjects and Categories ought to have some connection in their hierarchies. However, there does not currently exist a WikiProject Plays, or WikiProject Musicals, or WikiProject Drama, though I feel that they could easily exist, it's not something I have personally been interested in pursuing. As they currently do not exist in the WikiProject hierarchy, I linked WikiProject Broadway up almost directly to WikiProject Theatre. That is why I feel the breakup as currently exists is appropriate.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Further, I have a few thoughts on the proposed seperation. First, I don't think that the word Drama is an appropriate description to go with Musicals, Ballet, and Opera. Drama is a <i>style</i> of performance piece, whereas the others are <i>types</i> of performances. I believe that rather than Drama, "Plays" would be the more appropriate choice, as there are both plays and musicals that are dramatic, and plays and musicals that are comedic. Drama is not really an appropriate description for a theatrical style...I most often see it used at the high school level, such as the "Drama team", which I think is an unfortunate misnomer.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I think that ultimately, Theatre, like many areas of human activity, is complicated, and multi-layered, and there is no one easy seperation into a nice clean hierarchy. Various elements of theatre will always be interconnected and interwoven, and Broadway is no exception. I created this tag, and Project area, to serve a specific area of theatre, with a specific locality, but a far reaching and interconnected influence. I believe there is a notable and significant amount of topics encompassed by the project, and I would like to be able to have this tag available to more easily locate articles across a wide range of topics that have relevance to Broadway and this Project.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I would ask you to consider that I feel that Broadway Theatre is a notable and significant area of information, and therefore it is both a notable and significant WikiProject, and that the stub-tag for the project is notable and significant, and therefore should be kept. <a href="/wiki/User:Evilphoenix" title="User:Evilphoenix">EvilPhoenix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evilphoenix" title="User talk:Evilphoenix">talk</a> 17:28, July 20, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li><ul><li><b>Comment</b>; and don't understand that wrong, for the existence of a stub-category, it isn't a question whether your project and/or Broadway theatre per se is significant, but only if the stub-template in question is something which helps others in splitting up the stubs in necessary sub-categories; with one stub tagged as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Broadway-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Broadway-stub (page does not exist)">Broadway-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> around, I don't see the need for one. This doesn't imply that the Broadway or the associated wikiproject isn't notable and significant, but sorry, I stand by my opinion below, a stub isn't necessarily needed. If the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Theatre-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Theatre-stub">theatre-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> was filled with thousands of stubs, of which around 50-60 pertained to the one here in question, it would be another matter <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Lectonar-2005-07-21T06:21:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-21T06:21:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lectonar-2005-07-21T06:21:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-18T05:42:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Weak Keep</b> as it is associated with a project. <i>Weak</i> because of the unecessary (for the moment) split and the cutting across categories. Also because the project currently has two members and might not be particularly active. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheParanoidOne" title="User:TheParanoidOne">TheParanoidOne</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-18T05:42:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-18T05:42:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-18T05:42:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-18T06:41:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>I hope my above comment addresses your first concern, and I'm hoping that more editors will join as the project gains wider advertising. I'm sure there are other editors interested in the topic who may have not yet found their way into the Project page. I'm still in the process of trying to <i>find</i> all of the articles that fit into the project, before I start creating articles that are missing. <a href="/wiki/User:Evilphoenix" title="User:Evilphoenix">EvilPhoenix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evilphoenix" title="User talk:Evilphoenix">talk</a> 06:27, July 18, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li><s>weak</s> <b>Delete</b>; I still see the cutting across categories as a major problem; IMHO, stubs are more of an editing tool, so I think that people coming around to have a look will probably be looking for other stub-types in general, as people outside the USA wouldn't necessarily know that a particular show started on Broadway, e.g. <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> 06:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC) also see my comment above <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Lectonar-2005-07-18T06:41:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 25 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-18T06:41:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lectonar-2005-07-18T06:41:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Antares33712-2005-07-25T22:30:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> the WikiProject associated with the template has one member, and seems to be inactive since its creation. I left a message on its talk page back in late June with no response. Cheers. --<a href="/wiki/User:BaronLarf" title="User:BaronLarf">Baron</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BaronLarf" title="User talk:BaronLarf">Larf</a> 13:02, July 20, 2005 (UTC) <ul><li><b>Comment</b>. I'm sorry you have chosen to leave the Project, but it is not inactive. I do believe Broadway theatre is a significant, notable topic, and I believe the Project is viable. I'm sorry you have decided to leave, I would have valued your contributions and assistance with getting the project better advertised. I'm sorry your Talk page comment was not promptly responded to. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Evilphoenix" title="User:Evilphoenix">EvilPhoenix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evilphoenix" title="User talk:Evilphoenix">talk</a> 17:28, July 20, 2005 (UTC)</li></ul></li> <li><b>Keep</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Calton" title="User:Calton">Calton</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Calton" title="User talk:Calton">Talk</a> 02:10, July 21, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Keep</b>. A broadway musical is well-known as a type of musical theatre. <a href="/wiki/User:Antares33712" title="User:Antares33712">Antares33712</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Antares33712-2005-07-25T22:30:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Antares33712-2005-07-25T22:30:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Antares33712-2005-07-25T22:30:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T01:21:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></font><font color="black"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"><span id="rename_of_.7B.7Bstandard-stub.7D.7D.2FCategory:Standards_stubs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span>rename of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Standard-stub" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Standard-stub">standard-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>/<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Standards_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Standards stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Standards stubs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs-July_18th-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: rename of {{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></font><font color="black"><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs"></span>This one's being proposed as the result of a discussion at WP:WSS/C over whether a separate <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Unit-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Unit-stub (page does not exist)">unit-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is needed(probably not, it's covered by standard-stub). The ambiguously named standard-stub has needed a rename for a while. Not only does it not refer to stubs that are standard (i.e., ordinary), nor to flags, but what it actually seems to be used for is standard forms of measurement - SI units, testing procedures and the like. As such, I'd like to suggest changing it to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Measurement-stub" title="Template:Measurement-stub">measurement-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Measurement_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Measurement stubs (page does not exist)">Category: Measurement stubs</a>, which, at the very least, is a bit more understandable. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 18 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z-rename_of_{{standard-stub}}/Category:Standards_stubs"></span> </p></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2005-07-20T01:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span>renaming to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Measurement-stub" title="Template:Measurement-stub">measurement-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is fine with me. <a href="/wiki/User:Oleg_Alexandrov" title="User:Oleg Alexandrov">Oleg Alexandrov</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2005-07-20T01:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2005-07-20T01:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oleg_Alexandrov-2005-07-20T01:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T04:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Keep as is</b> unless you want to remove the various ISO and similar standards? <a href="/wiki/User:Circeus" title="User:Circeus">Circeus</a> 21:27, July 22, 2005 (UTC) <ul><li>A compromise - measurement-stub as a redirect, and the category changed to "Standards and Measurements stubs"? It does seem that there are two different but connected things in this category, but I doubt it's big enough to split in two yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-23T04:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T04:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-23T04:33:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Splash-2005-08-14T17:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Sounds right to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Circeus" title="User:Circeus">Circeus</a> 12:58, August 11, 2005 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b>Compromise</b> sounds good. Have I overlooked another type of cruft? Do we have standardscruft lurking where noone looks? -<a href="/wiki/User:Splash" title="User:Splash">Splash</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Splash-2005-08-14T17:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 14 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Splash-2005-08-14T17:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Splash-2005-08-14T17:54:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-18T08:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></font><font color="black"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_19th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span>July 19th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: July 19th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></font><font color="black"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Rocket and spacecraft stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Rocket and spacecraft stubs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs-July_19th-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Category:Rocket and spacecraft stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></font><font color="black"><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs"></span>This used to be the category for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Rocket-stub" title="Template:Rocket-stub">rocket-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. But now we have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Spacecraft-stub" title="Template:Spacecraft-stub">spacecraft-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. All the articles still in the category after I winnowed out spacecraft and other articles have been moved to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Rocket_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Rocket stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Rocket stubs</a>. So <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Rocket and spacecraft stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Rocket and spacecraft stubs</a> is now empty and can go bye-bye. My only worry is the interwiki with Russian; I can't read Russian to try to figure out whether I should interwiki one of the new categories with the Russian one. <a href="/wiki/User:A2Kafir" title="User:A2Kafir">A2Kafir</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z-Category:Rocket_and_spacecraft_stubs"></span> </p></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-20T01:14:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span>"Stub articles on rocket technology and space apparatus" is what the Russian says. Since this has now been split, it could either simply be deleted, or used as a parent category for both the new ones. Either way is fine by me. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-20T01:14:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-20T01:14:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-20T01:14:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><ul><li><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-20T06:46:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b>; why bother to have it around?</s> changed to <b>neutral</b> (I don't mind) <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Lectonar-2005-07-20T06:46:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-20T06:46:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lectonar-2005-07-20T06:46:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-20T12:00:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> after what Grutness said. I'll just use it as a parent category for the rocket stub and spacecraft stub categories. I think it's important to preserve the Russian interwiki, especially with space articles, since Russian is a dominant language in space exploration. <a href="/wiki/User:A2Kafir" title="User:A2Kafir">A2Kafir</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-A2Kafir-2005-07-20T12:00:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-20T12:00:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A2Kafir-2005-07-20T12:00:00.000Z-A2Kafir-2005-07-19T16:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></font><font color="black"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="July_26th" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span>July 26th<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: July 26th"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></font><font color="black"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"><span id="Rename_of_.7B.7BMDpolitician-stub.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span>Rename of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:MDpolitician-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:MDpolitician-stub (page does not exist)">MDpolitician-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}-July_26th-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Rename of {{MDpolitician-stub}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div></font><font color="black"><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}"></span>This stub has over 100 articles in it so I guess it's a decent child of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:US-politician-stub" title="Template:US-politician-stub">US-politician-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. But the name isn't intuitive. I see "MD" and immediately think "doctor". I propose a rename to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Maryland-politician-stub" title="Template:Maryland-politician-stub">Maryland-politician-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheParanoidOne" title="User:TheParanoidOne">TheParanoidOne</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z-Rename_of_{{MDpolitician-stub}}"></span> </p></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span>Comment:</b> MD is Maryland's AP and postal abbreviation, but if it's that much of a problem then I suppose a renaming wouldn't hurt anyone. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tomf688"><span style="font-size:small; font-family:garamond; color:#3979BF;">tomf688</span></a><sup><<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tomf688">TALK</a>></sup> 15:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>Another comment: How many medical doctor politicians are there out there? ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tomf688"><span style="font-size:small; font-family:garamond; color:#3979BF;">tomf688</span></a><sup><<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tomf688">TALK</a>></sup> 20:50, July 26, 2005 (UTC) <dl><dd>A surprising number, actually. I can think of at least three current New Zealand MPs (out of 120 MPs), so if that tiny sample's anything to go by, 2.5% of politicians. And MD is also Moldova's ISO code. Which is why we don't use that sort of code for stubs when they can be avoided - too much ambiguity! <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></font><font color="black"><dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z"></span>"but if it's that much of a problem"</i>. That may indeed be a problem. I only knew that MD was Maryland because of the stub text. I'm sure there are many people like me who know (almost) nothing about US postal codes (or what an "AP" is). So are you now leaning towards a rename as your comment suggests? --<a href="/wiki/User:TheParanoidOne" title="User:TheParanoidOne">TheParanoidOne</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z-Grutness-2005-07-27T01:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-27T06:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span>Yes, and it's the car-plate code for <a href="/wiki/Magdeburg" title="Magdeburg">Magdeburg</a> :); <b>Rename</b> as per <a href="/wiki/User:TheParanoidOne" title="User:TheParanoidOne">TheParanoidOne</a>'s suggestion <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Lectonar-2005-07-27T06:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lectonar-2005-07-27T06:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lectonar-2005-07-27T06:38:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-07-29T14:17:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span>or what an "AP" is</i> - The <a href="/wiki/Associated_Press" title="Associated Press">Associated Press</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tomf688"><span style="font-size:small; font-family:garamond; color:#3979BF;">tomf688</span></a><sup><<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tomf688" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tomf688">TALK</a>></sup> 14:00, July 29, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>I work part time for a different "AP" - <a href="/wiki/Otago_Daily_Times" title="Otago Daily Times">Allied Press</a>. (my s.o. is also an A.P., but that's another matter, although, by coincidence, her g-grandfather is redlinked on the page I've just linked!) <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-07-29T14:17:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 29 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-07-29T14:17:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-07-29T14:17:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span>Rename</b>. Altho I live in Maryland, so it's not ambiguous for me, I can see that it would be confusing. Also, wouldn't <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:MD-politician-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:MD-politician-stub (page does not exist)">MD-politician-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> be the correct form if it were to keep the appreviation? --<a href="/wiki/User:Mairi" title="User:Mairi">Mairi</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z-TheParanoidOne-2005-07-26T05:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grutness-2005-08-05T01:39:00.000Z-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z"></span>It would, <i>if</i> it were kept. <a href="/wiki/User:Grutness" title="User:Grutness">Grutness</a>...<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grutness" title="User talk:Grutness"><span style="color:green;">wha?</span></a></i></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005#c-Grutness-2005-08-05T01:39:00.000Z-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grutness-2005-08-05T01:39:00.000Z-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grutness-2005-08-05T01:39:00.000Z-Mairi-2005-08-03T20:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></font>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&oldid=1086090096">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/July_2005&oldid=1086090096</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 4 May 2022, at 03:30<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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