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[[User:QuartierLatin1968|QuartierLatin1968]] 01:18, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Parsi tribal status followup == Although absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I have removed the statement that Parsis have tribal status from both Parsi and Adivasi entries since I can't verify this (either way). Although I originally added the statement (to [[Parsi people|Parsi]]) that Parsis gained tribal status in 2004, I am now of the opinion that this was incorrect. ''Parsiana'' (the Parsi community monthly), had absolutely nothing on the subject in 2004, and given how vocal Parsis can become on the subject of receiving (or not) special privileges, I'm sure that the subject would have been covered in depth if it were true. [[User:Fullstop|Fullstop]] 12:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC) I am sure that Parsi community do not belong to the category of adivasis and the scheduled tribes/ scheduled castes. --[[User:Bhadani|Bhadani]] 13:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC) == Sanskrit? == Does the word '''adivasi''' come from the Sanskrit language? 18:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC) : Why do you not respond? 09:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC) ::The talk pages are specifically for discussing the article, not for general discussion. ::''Adivasi'' = ''Adi'' (original) + ''Vasi'' (inhabitant) ::Hence the words roughly in English is ''aboriginal'', although there is no negative connotation. ::Also ''Adi'' and ''Vasi'' are Sanskrit words ::[[User:SDas|SDas]] 23:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC) == DISCUSS: Proposing MERGER of [[Adivasis of Orissa]] into [[Adivasi]] == These articles are duplicative and need to be combined.[[User:OfficeGirl|OfficeGirl]] 06:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC) :[[Adivasi]] is a pan India term for a 'Tribal person', whereas the other article is only specific of the adivasis from the Indian state of [[Odisha|Orissa]], so merging the two articles would be disasterous, only the ''duplicative material'' needs to be separated. == Adivasi/Janjati in Nepal == In Nepal there are many indigenous peoples such as Tharu, Magar and Kham, Gurung, Tamang, Rai and Limbu who are called Adivasi (or Adibasi) and Janjati. Their situation is the same as India's Adivasis, except there might be small differences in government policy toward them. I propose that they be added to this article. [[User:LADave|LADave]] ([[User talk:LADave|talk]]) 18:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC) ==adivasi or Adivasi== Adivasi is more correct,they are aboriginal communities,having religion Aadim dharma..with [[Mahadeva]]/Lord [[Shiva]] as Supreme God.This article is clearly a work in progress, and several issues above relate to whether the term is general or specific. At the moment we use 'adivasi' in the early 'Connotations ..' section, and later often capitalise 'Adivasi' especially when referring to ST classification. In keeping with [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)]], lower case should be used unless there is a definitive case (sic) for capitalising. In any case (doh, there we go again) this article should move rapidly towards using one or the other consistently, or else explicitly explain that there are two uses of the term, one general and one specific, captialised accordingly. [[User:Earthlyreason|Earthlyreason]] ([[User talk:Earthlyreason|talk]]) 12:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC) [Deleted copyright material]..Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bigbrothersorder|Bigbrothersorder]] ([[User talk:Bigbrothersorder|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bigbrothersorder|contribs]]) 08:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small>  ::It is against Wikipedia policy (and is illegal) to lift copyrighted material at this scale - so I am deleting it. You could simply have brought in a couple of lines and a set of links rather than do this. Also, you didn't acknowledge the actual authors of this material, which isn't okay in any respect. You stole (basically) material from http://www.aitpn.org/IRQ/Vol-III/issue_4/story09.html, http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Dalit-tribal/2003/adivasi.htm and other sources. You are also in violation of Wikipedia talk guidelines ([[WP:SOAP]]). Please don't do this. Many of these exact issues inform the article, except that the article is actually richer and covers them in even more detail. --[[User:Hunnjazal|Hunnjazal]] ([[User talk:Hunnjazal|talk]]) 12:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC) == Plagiarism == Several paragraphs have been copied verbatim, unattributed, from "James Heitzman and Robert L. Worden, editors. India: A Country Study. Washington: GPO for the Library of Congress, 1995", url: http://countrystudies.us/india/70.htm. Per [[Wikipedia_talk:Public_domain#copyright_status_of_work_produced_by_GPO | WP:PD]] use is allowed. Per [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain_sources | WP:PLAG]] it must be properly attributed, which it is not currently. [[User:JanetteDoe|JanetteDoe]] ([[User talk:JanetteDoe|talk]]) 19:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC) == Orphaned references in [[:Adivasi]] == I check pages listed in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for [[User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer|orphaned references]] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of [[:Adivasi]]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article. <b>Reference named "biomedcentral.com":</b><ul> <li>From [[Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia]]: {{cite journal |doi=10.1186/1471-2156-7-42 |year=2006 |last1=Thanseem |first1=Ismail |last2=Thangaraj |first2=Kumarasamy |last3=Chaubey |first3=Gyaneshwer |last4=Singh |first4=Vijay |last5=Bhaskar |first5=Lakkakula VKS |last6=Reddy |first6=B Mohan |last7=Reddy |first7=Alla G |last8=Singh |first8=Lalji |journal=BMC Genetics |volume=7 |pages=42 |pmid=16893451 |title=Genetic affinities among the lower castes and tribal groups of India: Inference from Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA |pmc=1569435}}</li> <li>From [[Gujarati people]]: {{cite web|url=http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/5/26 |title=Most of the extant mtDNA boundaries in South and Southwest Asia were likely shaped during the initial settlement of Eurasia by anatomically modern humans |publisher=Biomedcentral.com |date= |accessdate=9 December 2011}}</li> </ul> I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#888800;">⚡</span>]] 10:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC) == Who coined the term? == Please provide a source citing who coined the term Adivasi and what the reasoning was at the time. I've heard it was A.V. Thakkar... [[Special:Contributions/95.224.3.198|95.224.3.198]] ([[User talk:95.224.3.198|talk]]) 20:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC) R.E.D. == External links modified == Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified 5 external links on [[Adivasi]]. Please take a moment to review [[special:diff/817072020|my edit]]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: *Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Archive/sci.anthropology.paleo/2006-06/msg00409.pdf *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071129141833/http://orissagov.nic.in/e-magazine/Orissareview/august-2007/engpdf/Page1-11.pdf to http://orissagov.nic.in/e-magazine/Orissareview/august-2007/engpdf/Page1-11.pdf *Added {{tlx|dead link}} tag to http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100224/812/tnl-tribals-appeal-for-separate-religion.html *Corrected formatting/usage for http://ssa.nic.in/research-studies-docs/education_tribal_children.pdf/view *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080102233739/http://www.divinelifesociety.org/graphics/ebooks/swami_sivanandaji/downnload/all_about_hinduism.html to http://www.divinelifesociety.org/graphics/ebooks/swami_sivanandaji/downnload/all_about_hinduism.html *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080504053609/http://www.srivaishnavan.com/tomcat/thiruppa2.htm to http://www.srivaishnavan.com/tomcat/thiruppa2.htm *Added archive https://archive.is/20080502212703/http://www.thetribaltribune.com/V1I2/Birsa.htm to http://www.thetribaltribune.com/V1I2/Birsa.htm When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. {{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}} Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 23:01, 25 December 2017 (UTC) == Adivasi categories == Tha article is saying that "''Adivasi can be categorised into three grouping i.e. Austro-Asiatic, Caucasoid and Sino-Tibetan''", but what's the point of mixing hypothetical language families with races? Also, where are the Australoids who are possibly the original inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent? [[User:Barbar03|Barbar03]] ([[User talk:Barbar03|talk]]) 15:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC) == Edits by Dev0745 == {{archive top|Copied from [[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Adivasi]]}} Could someone take a look at [[:Adivasi]]? [[User:Dev0745]] is making extensive edits there, but I've the impression that parts of it may be rambling. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adivasi&curid=1298456&diff=919019508&oldid=919017787 For example]: {{talkquote|Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse. Indo-Aryan tribal have same origin as their negibour caste population. Dravidian tribal have also same origin as Dravidian caste population.}} Thanks. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 16:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC) :Yes, I saw that, but was too busy to look at it with any focus or depth. Thanks, {{ping|Joshua Jonathan}} for bringing the edits to the community's notice. [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 23:07, 1 October 2019 (UTC) Updated [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 23:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC) ::Hello, thanks for discussion. Although I was trying to edit article "Adivasi" but due to different article have different conclusion,It's seem confusing without reading them properly. It would better to write after gaining proper knowledge about it. I am giving link here what many articles talk about i.e Tribal speak five language family such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austroasiatic, Tibeto Burman and Andamanese. ::* {{Cite web|url=https://www.wordsinthebucket.com/indian-tribal-languages-1|title=TRIBAL LANGUAGES IN INDIA – INTRODUCTION (1/4)}} ::* Brahmin and tribal in North India share same genetic haplogroups: {{Cite web|url=https://www.ashg.org/genetics/ashg07s/f20446.htm|title=The Autochthonous Origin and a Tribal Link of Indian Brahmins: Evaluation Through Molecular Genetic Markers.}} ::* Caste and tribe are derive from same prehistoric genetic inheritance: {{Cite web|url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707605412|title=The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations}} ::* Whereas according to some article Tribal have independent origin in south india: {{Cite web|url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14761656/|title=Independent origins of Indian caste and tribal paternal lineages.}} ::* Austroasiatic speaker are migrants from south-east Asia 4000-3500 year ago. This imply some tribal are not indigenous which contradict the claim of Adivasi(indigenous) by tribals: Sidwell, Paul. 2018. [https://www.academia.edu/36689736/Austroasiatic_Studies_state_of_the_art_in_2018 Austroasiatic Studies: state of the art in 2018]. Presentation at the Graduate Institute of Linguistics, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan, 22 May 2018. ::So thanks, I will try to edit anything after gaining proper knowledge about the topic.([[User:Dev0745|Dev0745]] ([[User talk:Dev0745|talk]]) 01:38, 2 October 2019 (UTC)); :::Note:Reflist added for references--[[User:DreamLinker|DreamLinker]] ([[User talk:DreamLinker|talk]]) 02:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC) ::::Note 2: reflist removed after turnig refs into list of links. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 05:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC) {{archive bottom}} {{yo|Dev0745}} thanks for providing the links. Your intention seems to be good, and the information you provided seems to correct to a certain level - but not completely. It takes time for other editors to check such edits; sigh... Anyway, if you want to try again, be welcome. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 06:13, 2 October 2019 (UTC) ===Linguistic grouping=== {{talkquote|Tribal can be categorised into five linguistic grouping i.e. [[Indo-Aryan language|Indo-Aryan]], [[Dravidian language|Dravidian]], [[Austroasiatic languages|Austro-Asiatic]], [[Sino-Tibetan languages|Sino-Tibetan]] and [[Andamanese languages|Andamanse]].<ref name="auto">{{Cite news|url=https://www.wordsinthebucket.com/indian-tribal-languages-1|title=TRIBAL LANGUAGES IN INDIA – INTRODUCTION (1/4)|website=wordsinthebucket|date=7 April 2015|access-date=24 September 2019}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book|url=https://tribal.nic.in/ST/StatisticalProfileofSTs2013.pdf|title=Statistical Profile of Scheduled Tribes in India|last=|first=|publisher=Ministry of Tribal Affairs|year=2013|isbn=|location=New Delhi|pages=10}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://scroll.in/article/773759/adivasis-indias-original-inhabitants-have-suffered-the-most-at-its-hands|title=Adivasis: India's original inhabitants have suffered the most at its hands|website=scroll.in}}</ref>}} {{reflist-talk}} * {{Cite news|url=https://www.wordsinthebucket.com/indian-tribal-languages-1|title=TRIBAL LANGUAGES IN INDIA – INTRODUCTION (1/4)|website=wordsinthebucket|date=7 April 2015|access-date=24 September 2019}} - says: :{{talkquote|When come to think of different dialects prevalent in India, we can easily divide them into five major language families starting from the first civilization of Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Tibeto-Burman, Andamanese, and Austro-Asiatic. However, for a better understanding of the tribal region segregation, it is best to have a look at the regions where tribal population inhabits.}} :The article then states what language is spoken by various groups in each region. Check: [[Baiga tribe#language|Baigani]] is an Indo-Aryan language. In that case, the text should state "Tribal '''languages''' can be categorised into five linguistic grouping'''s'''". * {{Cite book|url=https://tribal.nic.in/ST/StatisticalProfileofSTs2013.pdf|title=Statistical Profile of Scheduled Tribes in India|last=|first=|publisher=Ministry of Tribal Affairs|year=2013|isbn=|location=New Delhi|pages=10}} - no mention of language affiliation. * {{Cite news|url=https://scroll.in/article/773759/adivasis-indias-original-inhabitants-have-suffered-the-most-at-its-hands|title=Adivasis: India's original inhabitants have suffered the most at its hands|website=scroll.in}} - subheader: {{tq|Their presence in India pre-dates the Dravidians, the Aryans and everyone else.}} It further says: :{{talkquote| they can be broadly classified into three groupings. The first consists of populations who predate the Indo-Aryan migrations, and are termed by many anthropologists as the Austro-Asiatic-speaking Australoid people. The Central Indian adivasis belong to this grouping. The other two groupings are the Caucasoid and Sino-Tibetan or Mongoloid tribal people of the Himalayan and North Eastern regions who migrated in later periods.}} :So, Scroll.in does not support the statement. Correct, following those spources, would be the following: :{{talkquote|Adivasi can be categorised into three grouping, namely the Australoid people speaking [[Austroasiatic languages|Austro-Asiatic]] languages, who predate the Indo-Aryan migrations; Caucasoid tribes; and [[Sino-Tibetan languages|Sino-Tibetan]].<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://scroll.in/article/773759/adivasis-indias-original-inhabitants-have-suffered-the-most-at-its-hands|title=Adivasis: India's original inhabitants have suffered the most at its hands|website=scroll.in}}</ref> Tribal languagescan be categorised into five linguistic groupings, namely [[Andamanese languages|Andamanse]]; [[Austroasiatic languages|Austro-Asiatic]]; [[Dravidian language|Dravidian]]; [[Indo-Aryan language|Indo-Aryan]]; and [[Sino-Tibetan languages|Sino-Tibetan]].<ref name="auto">{{Cite news|url=https://www.wordsinthebucket.com/indian-tribal-languages-1|title=TRIBAL LANGUAGES IN INDIA – INTRODUCTION (1/4)|website=wordsinthebucket|date=7 April 2015|access-date=24 September 2019}}</ref>}} {{reflist-talk}} Still, is there a more exact definition of Adivasi? And what's "Caucasoid" in this respect? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 06:13, 2 October 2019 (UTC) ===Genetic studies=== {{talkquote|Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse. According to genetic study of 2004 in south india, south indian tribal have independent origin with carrying more indigenous haplogroups.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982204000405|title=Independent Origins of Indian Caste and Tribal Paternal Lineages|website=sciencedirect|date=3 February 2004|access-date=1 October 2019}}</ref> [[Sino-Tibetan languages|Sino-Tibetan]] and [[Austroasiatic]] were migrants from East and South East Asia respectively and mixed extensively with local Indian populations.<ref name="cordaux2004">{{Citation | title=The Northeast Indian Passageway: A Barrier or Corridor for Human Migrations? |author1=Richard Cordaux |author2=Gunter Weiss |author3=Nilmani Saha |author4=Mark Stoneking | journal=Molecular Biology and Evolution | year=2004 | accessdate=2008-11-25 | url=http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/21/8/1525 | doi = 10.1093/molbev/msh151 | pmid= 15128876 | quote=... Our coalescence analysis suggests that the expansion of Tibeto-Burman speakers to northeast India most likely took place within the past 4,200 years ... | volume=21 |issue=8 | pages=1525–33}}</ref><ref>Sidwell, Paul. 2018. [https://www.academia.edu/36689736/Austroasiatic_Studies_state_of_the_art_in_2018 Austroasiatic Studies: state of the art in 2018]. Presentation at the Graduate Institute of Linguistics, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan, May 22, 2018.</ref>}} {{reflist-talk}} On a quick note: {{talkquote|Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups such as Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse.}} should be {{talkquote|Tribal are heterogeneous ethnic groups, which can be divided in five ethnolinguistic groups: Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan and Andamanse.}} Still, it's not clear what "heterogeneous ethnic groups" means. Further, 2004 is far outdated. Recent relevant studies are: :* Basu et al. (2016), ''Genomic reconstruction of the history of extant populations of India reveals five distinct ancestral components and a complex structure''. See [[:Indo-Aryan migrations#Additional components]] * Narasimhan et al. (2019), ''The formation of human populations in South and Central Asia'', Science. Their scenario: ancient Indian hunter-gatherers; ahg + Iranian farmer related people <nowiki>=</nowiki> Indus Valley Civilisation; IVC + Aryans <nowiki>=</nowiki> north India (ANI); IVC + southern hunter-gatherers <nowiki>=</nowiki> Dravidians (ASI); ANI + ASI <nowiki>=</nowiki> all modern Indian peolple, including Adivasi. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 06:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC) :Different tribal of Indian subcontinent have different genetic origin. According to several genetic studies North Indian and Upper Caste have more ANI ancestry whereas South Indian have low ANI ancestry. This can also be true for Tribals. North Indian tribal can have more ANI ancestry and South Indian have low ANI and more ASI ancestry. Sino-tibetan tribal carry ATB(Ancestor Tibeto Burman) ancestry and Austroasiatic tribal carry AAA(Ancestoral Austroasiatic) ancestry. Andamanese tribal are direct descendant from out of Africa migration. So Basically Tribals are not homogeneous groups but heterogeneous ethnic groups with different origin. ([[User:Dev0745|Dev0745]] ([[User talk:Dev0745|talk]]) 08:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)); ::I see; thanks. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 09:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC) == Definition == The term "indigenous" seems to be obscured; it's not explicitly stated which population should be considered to be 'the first people' of India. From the article: * {{tq|'''Adivasi''' is the collective term for the [[:indigenous peoples]] of [[:India]].}} :* {{Citation | title=Lok Sabha Debates ser.10 Jun 41–42 1995 v.42 no.41-42 | publisher=Lok Sabha Secretariat, Parliament of India | year=1995 | accessdate=2008-11-25 | url=https://books.google.com/?id=EaRXAAAAMAAJ | quote=... Adivasis are the aborigines of India ...}} - inaccessible via Google; 'aborigines' prior to who, or what time? :* {{Cite book | title=Freedom and Dissent: Essays in Honour of Minoo Masani on His Eightieth Birthday |author1=Minocheher Rustom Masani |author2=Ramaswamy Srinivasan | publisher=Democratic Research Service | year=1985 | accessdate=2008-11-25 | url=https://books.google.com/?id=v861AAAAIAAJ | quote= The Adivasis are the original inhabitants of India. That is what Adivasi means: the original inhabitant. They were the people who were there before the [[Dravidians]]. The tribals are the Gonds, the Bhils, the Murias, the Nagas and a hundred more.}} - ah, before the Dravidians. :* {{Citation | title=The Selected Works of Mahatma Gandhi : Satyagraha in South Africa | author=Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi | publisher=Navajivan Publishing House | year=1968 | accessdate=2008-11-25 | url=https://books.google.com/?id=cApuAAAAMAAJ | quote=... The Adivasis are the original inhabitants ...}} - 'original' prior to who or what? * {{tq|In India, the term Adivasi is used to refer to Scheduled Tribes, although the term indigenous and tribe have different meanings. Indigenous means descent from populations who inhabited the country or region at the time of conquest or colonization, and tribe means a group who are distinguished by their social, cultural and economic conditions from other sections of the community.}} :{{cite web|url=http://www.ilo.org/global/topics/indigenous-tribal/WCMS_503321/lang--en/index.htm|title=Who are the indigenous and tribal peoples?|website=ilo.org}}</ref> - not specifically about Adivasi, but about "indigenous and tribal peoples." It certainly doesn't argues that the two terms have different meanings; it explains what the two components of the phrase "indigenous and tribal peoples" means, mentioning the adivasi as such a group. It does ''not'' say that the term "adivasi" refers to the ''scheduled'' tribes. * {{tq|The word Adivasi means the first inhabitants or the Indigenous People, a phrase recognised by the Supreme Court of India}}. :* S. Faizi & Priya K. Nair, 2016. "Adivasis: The World’s Largest Population of Indigenous People," Development, Palgrave Macmillan;Society for International Deveopment, vol. 59(3), pages 350-353, December - inaccesible via Google. * {{tq|''adivāsi'' carries the specific meaning of being the original and [[indigenous peoples|autochthonous]] inhabitants of a given region. It is a modern [[Sanskrit]] word specifically coined for that purpose in the 1930s,}} :* {{Citation | title=Indigenous peoples of Asia |author1=Robert Harrison Barnes |author2=Andrew Gray |author3=Benedict Kingsbury | publisher=Association for Asian Studies | year=1995 | accessdate=2008-11-25 | url=https://books.google.com/?id=-8eBAAAAMAAJ | isbn=978-0-924304-14-9 | quote=The Concept of the Adivāsi: According to the political activists who coined the word in the 1930s, the 'adivāsis' are the original inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent ...}} * {{tq|from ''ādi'' 'beginning, origin' and ''vāsin'' 'dweller' (itself from ''vas'' 'to dwell'), thus literally meaning ‘original inhabitant’.}} :* "Adivasi, n. and adj." OED Online. Oxford University Press, June 2017. Web. 10 September 2017. This is what the [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Adivasi Encyclopedia Britannica] says: {{talkquote|Adivasi, (Hindi: “Original Inhabitants”)official name (in India) Scheduled Tribes, any of various ethnic groups considered to be the original inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent. The term is used primarily in India and Bangladesh. In the constitution of India, promulgated in 1950, most of these groups were listed—or scheduled—as targets for social and economic development. Since that time the Adivasi of India have been known officially as Scheduled Tribes.}} I have copy-edited the definitions according to a more critical reading of the sources. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 07:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC) I think defination of "Encyclopedia Britannica" is more appropriate. Also the claim that tribal were prior to Dravidian and Indo-Aryan seems incorrect as native language of tribal is also dravidian and Indo-Aryan languages. Tribals have also same haplogroups as Caste population although they carry more ASI genetic. according to recent genetic studies, Austroasiatic tribal arrived in Indian subcontinent around 4000-3500 year ago, which is not before the Dravidian and during same time as stepe pastoralists. So claim that tribal were before Dravidian and Indo-Aryan seems incorrect. ([[User:Dev0745|Dev0745]] ([[User talk:Dev0745|talk]]) 08:33, 2 October 2019 (UTC)); *{{ping|Dāsānudāsa}} can you familiarize yourself with the comments above? To claim that "Adivasis" are "indigenous" is a fringe position. To make it even more easy for you, I would ask you to name the tribes you think are "indigenous" and I will tell you how they aren't. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>>&nbsp;[[User:Extorc|<span style="color:purple">Extorc</span>]].[[User_talk:Extorc|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</span> 15:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC) ::Unless I'm missing something, all the sources above (bar the comment from {{user|Dev075}}) make it clear Adivasi are considered indigenous. That's Britannica, the Lok Sabha definition, Gandhi, Barnes, Gray and Kingsbury, OUP, Faizi and Nair... ie numerous sources that would usually be considered reliable. To claim it as a fringe position requires sources stating that's the case. [[User:Dāsānudāsa|Dāsānudāsa]] ([[User talk:Dāsānudāsa|talk]]) 17:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC) :::"claim that tribal were before Dravidian and Indo-Aryan seems incorrect" makes it clear. The above quotations show that why this term is dubious and does not have a single meaning when it comes to usage. I called it a fringe position because I am aware of the researches which argue against the claimed indigenousness of the tribes. At best its an activist position and should be highlighted like that and no more weight should be given to this claim. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>>&nbsp;[[User:Extorc|<span style="color:purple">Extorc</span>]].[[User_talk:Extorc|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</span> 12:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC) ==[[Draft:List of notable Adivasi people]]== Please consider incorporating material from the above draft submission into this article. Drafts are eligible for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 15:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC) == A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion == The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion: * [[commons:File:Meena Women.jpg|Meena Women.jpg]] Participate in the deletion discussion at the [[commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by गंगा सहाय मीणा|nomination page]]. —[[User:Community Tech bot|Community Tech bot]] ([[User talk:Community Tech bot|talk]]) 10:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC) == Are Adiwasis Hindu? == Are Adiwasis Hindu? [[User:RishabhMeemroth|RishabhMeemroth]] ([[User talk:RishabhMeemroth|talk]]) 06:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC) :Some; some aren't. There's a "religion" section in the article. [[User:Dāsānudāsa|Dāsānudāsa]] ([[User talk:Dāsānudāsa|talk]]) 08:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC) == Adivasis vs NE tribal groups ? == Shouldn't Adivasi and NE tribal groups be considered as separate ? Adivasi is used only for the aboriginal groups of Austroloid origin who today speaks a variety of languages including Indo-Aryan. NE tribals are ST but aren't considered as Adivasis. So there should be separate articles for "Adivasis" and "Tribals of Northeast India". [[User:Tizen03|Tizen03]] ([[User talk:Tizen03|talk]]) 10:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC) :I agree, also since the religion part only covers Animism and Hinduism in detail. That doesn't really make sense if the NE tribes are lumped into the article as well, with three majority tribal, majority Christian states in the NER (Christianity in India article). [[User:Guduxy|Guduxy]] ([[User talk:Guduxy|talk]]) 17:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC) ==Stand of Government of India== [[User:Dāsānudāsa]], What is problem in including stand of Government of India which doesn't consider Adivasi as only Indigenous people. Government of India consider all citizens of India as indigenous. Whether right or wrong, It is stand of Government of India. Why should it not be added? [[User:Dev0745|Dev0745]] ([[User talk:Dev0745|talk]]) 00:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC) :It is [[WP:UNDUE]] for the lead. The current government of India has lots of fringe views, so we must take what they say with a pinch of salt. [[User:Dāsānudāsa|Dāsānudāsa]] ([[User talk:Dāsānudāsa|talk]]) 08:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC) ::It's also repetition: the article already says "the government of India does not officially recognise tribes as indigenous people." 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