CINXE.COM

Rushlights, holders, making rush dips, lighting with pine splinters

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en-GB"> <head><script type="text/javascript" src="/_static/js/bundle-playback.js?v=HxkREWBo" charset="utf-8"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/_static/js/wombat.js?v=txqj7nKC" charset="utf-8"></script> <script>window.RufflePlayer=window.RufflePlayer||{};window.RufflePlayer.config={"autoplay":"on","unmuteOverlay":"hidden"};</script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/_static/js/ruffle/ruffle.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript"> __wm.init("https://web.archive.org/web"); __wm.wombat("http://www.oldandinteresting.com:80/rushlights.aspx","20150627234856","https://web.archive.org/","web","/_static/", "1435448936"); </script> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/_static/css/banner-styles.css?v=S1zqJCYt" /> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/_static/css/iconochive.css?v=3PDvdIFv" /> <!-- End Wayback Rewrite JS Include --> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="application/xhtml+xml; charset=UTF-8"/><link rel="Alternate" title="Old and interesting" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://feeds.feedburner.com/oldandinteresting"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/web/20150627234856cs_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/css/html1.css"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/web/20150627234856cs_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/css/layout1.css"/><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/web/20150627234856cs_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/css/extra.css"/><link rel="shortcut icon" href="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/favicon.ico"/><meta name="msvalidate.01" content="0F6BF2EF6A2C10EC2C11FF3E234CAC22"/> <style type="text/css"> .style1 { background-color: #FFCC99; } </style> <title> Rushlights, holders, making rush dips, lighting with pine splinters </title></head> <body> <div id="content"> <div id="header"> <div id="title"> </div> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/default.aspx"> <img src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/bg/lefttitle.jpg" alt="old and interesting" class="left" id="top"/></a> <img src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/bg/righttitle.jpg" alt="history of domestic objects, household antiques in use" class="right"/> </div> <div id="mainMenu"> <ul class="floatRight"> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/default.aspx" title="Home"><strong>home</strong></a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/books.aspx" title="Books, writers, bibliography"><strong>books</strong></a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/contact.aspx" title="Contact by email"><strong>contact</strong></a></li> </ul> </div> <div id="page"> <div class="width22 floatLeft leftColumn"> <ul class="sideMenu"> <li class="here"> <br/> &nbsp; &nbsp; History of:<ul> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/bread-peel.aspx">Bread peels</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-butter-churns.aspx">Butter-making &amp; churns </a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/vintage-electric-irons.aspx">Early electric irons</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-feather-beds.aspx">Featherbeds, duvets, eiderdowns </a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/antique-irons-smoothers-mangles.aspx">Ironing &amp; smoothing</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-ironing-boards.aspx">Ironing boards</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-of-laundry.aspx">Laundry - early methods</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-of-washing-clothes.aspx">Laundry in the 1800s</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/laundry-blue.aspx">Laundry blue, bluing</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/washboards-history.aspx">Washboards</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-washing-machines.aspx">Washing machines before 1800</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <!-- <ul class="sideMenu"> <li class="here">&nbsp; &nbsp; <span class="style1">New</span>: <ul> <li><a href="/sulphur-matches.aspx">Brimstone matches</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> --> <ul class="sideMenu"> <li class="here">&nbsp; &nbsp; Resources about: <ul> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/kitchen-antiques.aspx">Kitchen antiques</a> </li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/pottery-earthenware.aspx">Domestic earthenware, redware</a> </li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/salt-glazed-stoneware.aspx#salt">Salt glazed stoneware</a> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="sideMenu"> <li class="here">&nbsp; &nbsp; More:<ul> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/baby-walkers-history.aspx">Baby walkers</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/communal-bread-ovens.aspx">Bakehouses</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/bed-warmers.aspx">Bed warmers</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/ale-warmers.aspx">Beer, ale mullers</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/besoms-brooms.aspx">Besoms, broom-making</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/box-beds.aspx">Box, cabinet, and press beds</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/butter-crocks-history.aspx">Butter crocks, coolers</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/tallow-candles-snuffers.aspx">Candle snuffers, tallow</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/clothes-horses-airers.aspx">Clothes horses, airers</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/peat-fire.aspx">Cooking on a peat fire</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/drying-outdoors.aspx">Drying grounds</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/enamelware-history.aspx">Enamel cookware</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/fireplaces.aspx">Fireplaces</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/fluting-goffering-irons.aspx">Irons for frills &amp; ruffles</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/knitting-sheaths.aspx">Knitting sheaths, belts</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/laundry-starch-history.aspx">Laundry starch</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/jack-beds.aspx">Log cabin beds</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/washing-with-lye.aspx">Lye and chamber-lye</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/box-mangles.aspx">Mangles</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/marseilles-quilts-marcella.aspx">Marseilles quilts</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/medieval-renaissance-beds.aspx">Medieval beds</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/history-rag-rugs.aspx">Rag rugs</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/rushlights.aspx">Rushlights, dips &amp; nips</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/straw-mattresses.aspx">Straw mattresses</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/sugar-nippers.aspx">Sugar cutters - nips &amp; tongs</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/medieval-tablecloths.aspx">Tablecloths</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/tinderbox.aspx">Tinderboxes</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/washing-beetles-possing.aspx">Washing bats and beetles</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/washing-dollies.aspx">Washing dollies</a></li> <li><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/sitemap.htm"><b>List of all articles</b></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <ul class="sideMenu"> <li class="here">&nbsp;&nbsp; </li> </ul> <br/> <blockquote class="palefullwidth"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://feeds.feedburner.com/oldandinteresting"> <img src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/bg/rss.jpg" class="floatLeft" style="font-style: italic"/></a>Subscribe to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://feeds.feedburner.com/oldandinteresting">RSS feed</a> or get <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/emailverifySubmit?feedId=918986&amp;loc=en_US"> email</a> updates.</blockquote> <br/> <blockquote class="palefullwidth"> <em>When I again unclosed my eyes, a loud bell was ringing; the girls were up and dressing; day had not yet begun to dawn, and a rushlight or two burned in the room. I too rose reluctantly; it was bitter cold...</em><br/> Charlotte Bront毛, <em>Jane Eyre</em>, 1846</blockquote> <br/> <blockquote class="palefullwidth"> <em>...a rush candle, from the wicker-hole of some clay habitation...<br/> </em>John Milton, <em>Comus</em>, 1634</blockquote> <br/> <blockquote class="palefullwidth"><center><script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-8396471178190857"; /* 120x240, created 1/26/08 */ google_ad_slot = "4686141835"; google_ad_width = 120; google_ad_height = 240; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856js_/http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script></center></blockquote> <br/> <blockquote class="palefullwidth"> <em>Some address is required in dipping these rushes in the scalding fat or grease; but this knack also is to be attained by practice. The careful wife of an industrious Hampshire labourer obtains all her fat for nothing; for she saves the scummings of her bacon-pot for this use; and, if the grease abounds with salt, she causes the salt to precipitate to the bottom, by setting the scummings in a warm oven. Where hogs are not much in use, and especially by the sea- side, the coarser animal oils will come very cheap. A pound of common grease may be procured for four pence; and about six pounds of grease will dip a pound of rushes; and one pound of rushes may be bought for one shilling: so that a pound of rushes, medicated [impregnated with fat] and ready for use, will cost three shillings. If men that keep bees will mix a little wax with the grease, it will give it a consistency, and render it more cleanly, and make the rushes burn longer: mutton-suet [tallow] would have the same effect.<br/> </em>Gilbert White, <em><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/tnhos10.txt"> Natural History of Selborne</a></em>, c1789 </blockquote> <br/> </div> <div class="width78 floatRight"> <div class="maintext"> <h1> Rushlights</h1> <h3> Rush dips, rushlight and splint holders, nips</h3> <p> <img class="floatRight" alt="3 holders with upright nips" title="Rushlight holders, photographed by Jekyll" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/rushlight holders.jpg "/> Candlelight is beautiful, but not cheap enough for everyone. For centuries beeswax candles were the best, lighting up castles and cathedrals. Most people used <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/tallow-candles-snuffers.aspx"> tallow</a> (made from animal fat). The distinction between expensive wax and butcher's tallow was underlined in one grand English household, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.wimpole.org/hall_gardens.htm"> Wimpole Hall</a>, by having the butler take charge of beeswax candles, while the housekeeper kept account of the ordinary tallow candles. (Late 18th century)</p> <p> <a href="photocredit.aspx#general"> <img class="floatLeft" alt="Thin orange candle held horizontally in wrought iron" title="Modern rushlight-type holder" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/rush light modern.jpg "/></a>In small cottages there were people who could not afford any kind of candle. For them a cheap alternative was a rushlight made from a rush dipped in grease, or a burning splinter of wood. These were held pinched in a nip like pliers or tongs on a stand. (See photograph of a modern re-creation left. Older rushlights might be thinner.) Nips were also called nippers or a pair of nips. They could be combined with a candle-holder for people who used both kinds of light, depending on their needs and budget at different times.</p> <p> Writers make it clear that rush lighting was a sign of poverty, or at least a humble lifestyle. In the 17th century Milton placed a "rush candle" in a lowly home made of clay and wicker. Two hundred years later Charlotte Bront毛 mentioned the rushlights as part of the overall deprivation Jane Eyre suffered at her miserable school. (See left-hand column) One 18th century novelist compared someone to:</p> <blockquote> <em><span style="font-size: 1.1em"> ...a rush-light, a little twinkling uncomfortable spark, which one is every moment afraid will vanish in smoke, and which the least wind will extinguish.<br/> </span> </em>Anon, <em>Anna Melvil</em>, 1792 </blockquote> <p> <a href="photocredit.aspx#general"> <img class="floatRight" alt="clump of rushes" title="Rushes" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/juncus effusus.jpg "/></a> Even in the 19th century there were still people in Britain who depended on rushes for light, and were unable to afford the price of candles. In a few areas burning resinous softwood splinters was a possible alternative. The choice varied by region. Where rushes grew well and a cool climate kept the fat set hard, as in much of the UK, rushlights were common. &nbsp;&nbsp;Other parts of Europe favoured pine splinters or chips from other suitable woods. These could be gripped in wall-hung <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-103-521-C&amp;PHP"> splint-holders</a>, standing <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-103-546-C&amp;PHP"> holders</a>, or put on a <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kienspan">plate-like stand</a>. Both rush- and splint-holders were used in North America.</p> <p> Rushlights were on sale cheaply in towns, but many country people made their own from <em>juncus effusus</em>, the soft rush. (Also used for chair seats, floor coverings, and much more.) In the late 18th century, the English naturalist <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/tnhos10.txt"> Gilbert White</a> calculated that even if you bought your rushlights ready-made, you need spend only one farthing (a quarter of a penny) for five and a half hours of light from a dipped rush. One single rushlight didn't give a lot of light, of course.</p> <h3> Making rushlights</h3> <p> <img class="floatRight" alt="pans with handles, on short legs" title="Iron grease pans, by Jekyll" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/grease pans.jpg "/> A rushlight, also known as a rush dip or candle, was made by dipping the pithy centre of a rush into kitchen grease. In summer children and adults picked rushes, the bigger the better, and put them to soak in water until they could be peeled. Skilful peeling left one narrow strip of the outer covering to help the rushes keep their shape. After the peeled rushes were dried, they were dipped in leftover kitchen fat. This had been collected over time in iron grease pans, which were then warmed at the fireside to re-liquify the grease.</p> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.gertrudejekyll.co.uk/">Gertrude Jekyll</a> photographed the equipment needed for making and using rushlights in Surrey, southern England, around 1900. Her information came from a 90-year-old "cottage friend" who peeled rushes for her, and explained how to dip bunches of a dozen or so at a time, "keeping 'em well under". She recommended mutton fat when possible, as that set harder than other grease, and said her mother had always laid the dipped rushes on a piece of bark to dry. (Below right)</p> <p> <img class="floatLeft" alt="Holders on turned wooden stands" title="Free-standing rushlight holders" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/standing rushlight holders.jpg "/> Jekyll says that the oldest rushlight holders in her part of the world all had upright nips. Horizontal nips and candle-sockets were signs of a newer holder. Moving the rushlight along from time to time was a job for children: </p> <blockquote> <em>About an inch and a half was pulled up above the jaw of the holder. A rush-light fifteen inches long would burn about half-an-hour. The frequent shifting was the work of a child. It was a greasy job, not suited to the fingers of the mother at her needle-work. 'Mend the light' or 'mend the rush' was the signal for the child to put up a new length.<br/> </em>Gertrude Jekyll, <em>Old West Surrey</em>, 1904</blockquote> <p> <img class="floatRight" alt="bark with several rushlights tied together" title="Bark holding recently dipped rushlights" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/rush lights on bark.jpg "/>Apart from the weak light and the smell of burning kitchen fat, there were other drawbacks. You needed a rag to catch dripping grease, and bedside furniture was often scorched by a rushlight that had been placed flat, overhanging the edge, but not extinguished in time. A neat way of snuffing a rushlight was by using "two pins crossed".</p> <p> As well as using holders a few inches high, some homes had free-standing iron or wooden holders, with a mechanism for adjusting the position of the nips and varying the height of the rushlight. (Above left)</p> <br/> <p> <img class="floatRight" alt="collection of nips, most in turned wooden bases" title="Rushlight holders, southern England" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/6 rush light holders.jpg "/> <img src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/2ndleaf.gif" style="border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-bottom: medium none"/> 2 January 2008 </p> <br/> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http://www.oldandinteresting.com/rushlights.aspx&amp;title=rushhlights"> <img alt="StumbleUpOnlogo" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/stumbleuponlogo.jpg" style="border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-bottom: medium none" title="StumbleUpon button"/></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.delicious.com/save"> <img alt="Delicious" src="/web/20150627234856im_/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/images/deliciousicon.jpg" style="border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-bottom: medium none" title="Delicious"/></a> <br/> <br/> <iframe src="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856if_/http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldandinteresting.com%2Frushlights.aspx&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=false&amp;width=450&amp;action=like&amp;font=verdana&amp;colorscheme=light&amp;height=35" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border: none; overflow: hidden; width: 450px; height: 35px;" allowtransparency="true"></iframe></p> <br/> <p><script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "ca-pub-8396471178190857"; /* new OandI simple color */ google_ad_slot = "8240746651"; google_ad_width = 728; google_ad_height = 90; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856js_/http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script></p> <br/> <p> <a href="#top">Back to top of page</a><br/> </p> <br/> <br/> </div> </div> <div class="width78 floatRight"> <div class="maintext"> <br/> <blockquote> You may like our new sister site <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856/http://www.homethingspast.com/">Home Things Past</a> where you'll find articles about antiques, vintage kitchen stuff, crafts, and other things to do with home life in the past. There's space for comments and discussion too. Please do take a look and add your thoughts.&nbsp; (Comments don&#39;t appear instantly.)</blockquote> <br/> <blockquote> For sources please refer to the <a href="books.aspx" title="Books">books</a> page, and/or the excerpts quoted on the pages of this website, and note that many links lead to museum sites. Feel free to <a href="contact.aspx">ask</a> if you're looking for a specific reference - feedback is always welcome anyway. Unfortunately, it's not possible to help you with queries about prices or valuation.</blockquote> <br/> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="footer"> <div id="width"> <span class="floatRight"><a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/default.aspx" title="Homepage">home</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/privacy-policy.aspx" title="Privacy policy">privacy</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/about.aspx" title="About and FAQ">about</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/books.aspx" title="Books">books</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/photocredit.aspx" title="Image and copyright details"> photo credits</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/sitemap.htm" title="Guide to website"> sitemap</a> <span class="brown">|</span> <a href="/web/20150627234856/http://www.oldandinteresting.com/folk-museums-uk.aspx" title="Folk Museums"> Folk Life and Social History Museums</a></span> <br/> <p align="left"> <strong>Disclaimer</strong>: We cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information provided on this website, even though it has been carefully researched. You should not rely on it for making decisions which could affect you financially or in any other way.</p> <p align="left"> Text 漏 OldandInteresting.com &nbsp; &nbsp; <br/> Text rights reserved - please ask if you would like permission for re-use.<br/> Photograph licensing as described <a href="photocredit.aspx">here</a>.</p> </div> </div> </body> <script src="https://web.archive.org/web/20150627234856js_/http://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js" type="text/javascript"> </script> <script type="text/javascript"> _uacct = "UA-1596903-1"; urchinTracker(); </script> </html> <!-- FILE ARCHIVED ON 23:48:56 Jun 27, 2015 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 18:12:08 Nov 28, 2024. JAVASCRIPT APPENDED BY WAYBACK MACHINE, COPYRIGHT INTERNET ARCHIVE. ALL OTHER CONTENT MAY ALSO BE PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT (17 U.S.C. SECTION 108(a)(3)). --> <!-- playback timings (ms): captures_list: 1.047 exclusion.robots: 0.044 exclusion.robots.policy: 0.025 esindex: 0.021 cdx.remote: 9.819 LoadShardBlock: 138.365 (3) PetaboxLoader3.datanode: 155.867 (4) load_resource: 132.944 PetaboxLoader3.resolve: 89.808 -->

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10