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href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 11">11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_12" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 12">12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 13">13</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_14" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 14">14</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_15" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 15">15</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_16" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 16">16</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_17" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 17">17</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_18" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 18">18</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_19" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 19">19</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_20" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 20">20</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_21" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 21">21</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_22" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 22">22</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_23" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 23">23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_24" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 24">24</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_25" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 25">25</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_26" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 26">26</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_27" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 27">27</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_28" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 28">28</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_29" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 29">29</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_30" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 30">30</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_31" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 31">31</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_32" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 32">32</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_33" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 33">33</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_34" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 34">34</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_35" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 35">35</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_36" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 36">36</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_37" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 37">37</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_38" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 38">38</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_39" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 39">39</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_40" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 40">40</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_41" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 41">41</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_42" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 42">42</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_43" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 43">43</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_44" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 44">44</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_45" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 45">45</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_46" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 46">46</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_47" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 47">47</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_48" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 48">48</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_49" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 49">49</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_50" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 50">50</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_51" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 51">51</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Archive_52" title="Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 52">52</a></td></tr><tr><td class="plainlinks" 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Sections older than <b>30 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 20 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autopatrol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autopatrol-20240907071600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autopatrol-20240907071600"></span>Autopatrol<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autopatrol-20240907071600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Autopatrol"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1227084136">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;margin:0 0 1em 1em;width:12em;border:1px solid #72777d;border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#EAECF0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked-closure{color:black;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br/><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374300" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T374300"><span class="trakfab-T374300"> Task T374300</span></a></span><br/></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Innisfree987-20240907071600-Autopatrol"></span>Hi all. Just created a new entry for the first time in a little while at <a href="/wiki/Victor_Albisu" title="Victor Albisu">Victor Albisu</a>. I’m autopatrolled as well as being a reviewer so I was surprised to see that the page looks unreviewed. Is that a change in process that I’ve overlooked or might there be some technical hiccup I should attend to? Of course always happy to have more eyes on new work, just wondered what was up and if I had missed anything important. Thank you for any insight! <a href="/wiki/User:Innisfree987" title="User:Innisfree987">Innisfree987</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innisfree987" title="User talk:Innisfree987">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Innisfree987-20240907071600-Autopatrol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Innisfree987-20240907071600-Autopatrol"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Innisfree987-20240907071600-Autopatrol"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200-Innisfree987-20240907071600"></span>Seems like this might be a PageTriage bug. I've filed <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T374300" class="extiw" title="phab:T374300">phab:T374300</a>. Thanks for reporting. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200-Innisfree987-20240907071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200-Innisfree987-20240907071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200-Innisfree987-20240907071600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Innisfree987-20240907075600-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200"></span>Ah super, thank you for filing that! <a href="/wiki/User:Innisfree987" title="User:Innisfree987">Innisfree987</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innisfree987" title="User talk:Innisfree987">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Innisfree987-20240907075600-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Innisfree987-20240907075600-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Innisfree987-20240907075600-Novem_Linguae-20240907075200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20240907092000-Innisfree987-20240907075600"></span>I don't know if this is related. Previously if a redirect was changed to an article that was so poor I reverted to the redirect I had to mark the redirect as patrolled manually. Starting a few weeks ago the redirects have been automatically marked as patrolled because I'm autopatrolled. --<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20240907092000-Innisfree987-20240907075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20240907092000-Innisfree987-20240907075600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20240907092000-Innisfree987-20240907075600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800-John_B123-20240907092000"></span>Thank you for mentioning. That sounds like good behavior. If one has autopatrol, one's redirects should probably not be being marked as unreviewed. Do you agree with that line of thinking? –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800-John_B123-20240907092000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800-John_B123-20240907092000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800-John_B123-20240907092000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20240907204100-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800"></span>Agree that redirects should not be marked as unreviewed if you are autopatrolled. Presumably there were changes to the PageTriage script recently so redirects are marked at reviewed if you are autopatrolled. I wondered if these changes caused the problem outlined by Innisfree987? --<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20240907204100-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20240907204100-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20240907204100-Novem_Linguae-20240907115800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Innisfree987-20240907213500-John_B123-20240907204100"></span>Yes I was thinking just the same—sounds like a definite improvement but maybe the tinkering switched off something else. <a href="/wiki/User:Innisfree987" title="User:Innisfree987">Innisfree987</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innisfree987" title="User talk:Innisfree987">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Innisfree987-20240907213500-John_B123-20240907204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Innisfree987-20240907213500-John_B123-20240907204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Innisfree987-20240907213500-John_B123-20240907204100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241116113900-Innisfree987-20240907071600"></span>no, I wouldn't say so. Some autopatrolled users wouldn't be good with r cat shells, and similar redirect stuff. I think these two should be exclusive, or maybe we need to consult the folks who patrol redirects. They are well suited to answer this. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Usernamekiran-20241116113900-Innisfree987-20240907071600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241116113900-Innisfree987-20240907071600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241116113900-Innisfree987-20240907071600"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled-Autopatrol-20240913145200"><span id="Another_draft_that_didn.27t_get_autopatrolled"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled-Autopatrol-20240913145200"></span>Another draft that didn't get autopatrolled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled-Autopatrol-20240913145200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Another draft that didn't get autopatrolled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C1K98V-20240913145200-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled"></span>Hello <a href="/wiki/User:Innisfree987" title="User:Innisfree987">Innisfree987</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a>, I also faced the same issue today. I got to know about the ticket late. Sadly, my article was moved back to the draftspace <a href="/wiki/Love,_Sitara" title="Love, Sitara">Love, Sitara</a>. Still, if it could be of any help as reference please expedite the ticket. Thanks for your consideration <a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V"><b style="color:#FF0000"><i>C1K98V</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C1K98V" title="User talk:C1K98V">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C1K98V" title="Special:Contributions/C1K98V">✒️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/C1K98V" title="Special:ListFiles/C1K98V">📂</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-C1K98V-20240913145200-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C1K98V-20240913145200-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C1K98V-20240913145200-Another_draft_that_didn't_get_autopatrolled"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elli-20240913165700-C1K98V-20240913145200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V">C1K98V</a>:</span> you know you can just move the article back, right? <a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elli" title="User talk:Elli">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elli" title="Special:Contributions/Elli">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Elli-20240913165700-C1K98V-20240913145200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elli-20240913165700-C1K98V-20240913145200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elli-20240913165700-C1K98V-20240913145200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C1K98V-20240913171600-Elli-20240913165700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a>, A reviewer has moved the article to draftspace with a relevant notability policy. I don't share the same opinion and S/He don't agree with me. It's totally fine, I respect their decision assuming good faith. But, I would like to get the article restored back to mainspace through the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UDEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UDEL">Deletion review</a> route. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V"><b style="color:#FF0000"><i>C1K98V</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C1K98V" title="User talk:C1K98V">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C1K98V" title="Special:Contributions/C1K98V">✒️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/C1K98V" title="Special:ListFiles/C1K98V">📂</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-C1K98V-20240913171600-Elli-20240913165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C1K98V-20240913171600-Elli-20240913165700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C1K98V-20240913171600-Elli-20240913165700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900-C1K98V-20240913171600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V">C1K98V</a>: Deletion review is not the appropriate avenue to contest a draftification. If you object to a draftification you move the page back to main space. Editors are welcome to disagree but if you believe it meets then the guidelines that we have in place then just move it. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900-C1K98V-20240913171600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900-C1K98V-20240913171600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900-C1K98V-20240913171600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C1K98V-20240913172700-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a>, You sure that it won't look like I'm abusing my autopatrolled rights. Also, I believe admins have many important tasks to deal with so I don't want to add another AFD. Also, it will appear as a recreated article in the page curation and xtools which I don't want. Hope, you both are getting me. Thanks for your consideration. <a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V"><b style="color:#FF0000"><i>C1K98V</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C1K98V" title="User talk:C1K98V">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C1K98V" title="Special:Contributions/C1K98V">✒️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/C1K98V" title="Special:ListFiles/C1K98V">📂</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-C1K98V-20240913172700-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C1K98V-20240913172700-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C1K98V-20240913172700-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000-C1K98V-20240913172700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V">C1K98V</a>: You've had two different admins tell you it's okay. Draft space is entirely optional and, if you're concerned about the article being marked as reviewed, simply mark it as unreviewed. As for xtools, there's no way of changing that, the redirect left behind will always show that and you have to accept it. Good thing is it's mostly meaningless since people have their redirects overwritten or G6 deleted all the time. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000-C1K98V-20240913172700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000-C1K98V-20240913172700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000-C1K98V-20240913172700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C1K98V-20240913174100-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000"></span>I appreciate and accept your opinion and will happily move the article back to mainspace. But I have seen the scenario where an article which was deleted (move to draft cases) and you don't want it to look like recreated or deleted in page curation/xtools. You can seek restoration of the article through UDEL and the above said tag will be eliminated automatically. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V"><b style="color:#FF0000"><i>C1K98V</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C1K98V" title="User talk:C1K98V">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C1K98V" title="Special:Contributions/C1K98V">✒️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/C1K98V" title="Special:ListFiles/C1K98V">📂</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-C1K98V-20240913174100-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C1K98V-20240913174100-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C1K98V-20240913174100-Hey_man_im_josh-20240913173000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20240913195600-C1K98V-20240913174100"></span>On a side note, I have to agree with the original reviewer that the article doesn't meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFF">WP:NFF</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20240913195600-C1K98V-20240913174100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20240913195600-C1K98V-20240913174100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20240913195600-C1K98V-20240913174100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C1K98V-20240914013300-John_B123-20240913195600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a>, I disagree with you as well. I believe it satisfy both the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFF">WP:NFF</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V"><b style="color:#FF0000"><i>C1K98V</i></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C1K98V" title="User talk:C1K98V">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/C1K98V" title="Special:Contributions/C1K98V">✒️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:ListFiles/C1K98V" title="Special:ListFiles/C1K98V">📂</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-C1K98V-20240914013300-John_B123-20240913195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C1K98V-20240914013300-John_B123-20240913195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C1K98V-20240914013300-John_B123-20240913195600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20240914073900-C1K98V-20240914013300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:C1K98V" title="User:C1K98V">C1K98V</a>:</span> How is the production of the film notable to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFF">WP:NFF</a>? Which sources do you think give <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> to pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>? As far as I can see there is only routine coverage based on press releases, social media posts and quotes from those involved in the film. <a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20240914073900-C1K98V-20240914013300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20240914073900-C1K98V-20240914013300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20240914073900-C1K98V-20240914013300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:11.2em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:11.2em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240914185800-Elli-20240913165700"></span> It might be time to move that conversation to the article talk page or AfD, this is not the right place to discuss the notability of individual articles. <span class="nowrap">—<a href="/wiki/User:TechnoSquirrel69" title="User:TechnoSquirrel69"><span style="color: #0b541f;"><b>TechnoSquirrel69</b></span></a></span> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TechnoSquirrel69" title="User talk:TechnoSquirrel69"><span style="color: #0b541f;"><b>sigh</b></span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240914185800-Elli-20240913165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240914185800-Elli-20240913165700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240914185800-Elli-20240913165700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF-20240922221500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF-20240922221500"></span>Nomination for merger of <a href="/wiki/Template:Rfd-NPF" title="Template:Rfd-NPF">Template:Rfd-NPF</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF-20240922221500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Nomination for merger of Template:Rfd-NPF"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steel1943-20240922221500-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Rfd-NPF" title="Template:Rfd-NPF">Template:Rfd-NPF</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">nominated for merging</a> with <a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_for_discussion" title="Template:Redirect for discussion">Template:Redirect for discussion</a>. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_22#Template:Rfd-NPF" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 22"><b>the template's entry</b></a> on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. </p><p>The reason why I'm placing this notification here is that the Page Curation tool will need to be updated to utilize the parameters and functionality in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_for_discussion" title="Template:Redirect for discussion">Redirect for discussion</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> per the request. Maintainers of the Page Curation tool are advised to participate in this discussion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)"><span style="color: #3F00FF;"><i><b>Steel1943</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Steel1943-20240922221500-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steel1943-20240922221500-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steel1943-20240922221500-Nomination_for_merger_of_Template:Rfd-NPF"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000-Steel1943-20240922221500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)">Steel1943</a> This is really not the way to do this. "page curation" is not a gadget that can be updated just like that, it is a <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/extension:PageTriage" class="extiw" title="mw:extension:PageTriage">deployed extension</a> which has a code-review process and a set deployment schedule. The seven-day timeframe of a TfD is not realistic to implement the features you mention. I suggest you withdraw the TfD and instead start by filing a Phabricator ticket to discuss the specific changes you want for PageTriage. Once the Phabricator task is resolved, you can then consider reopening the TfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000-Steel1943-20240922221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000-Steel1943-20240922221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000-Steel1943-20240922221500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steel1943-20240923150600-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> I'm not withdrawing this nomination. I'm tired of all the technical issues that have been happening with RFD over the years because of this template. I've done everything that I need to do to make sure that I informed interested parties/forums; but, as usually in classic Wikipedia form, someone's gotta complain and say that the person doing something to suggest an improvement to the encyclopedia is doing something wrong. Either way, what you are referring to regarding a seven day window is actually not a true concern: What happens at TFD is after there is consensus for something to change, the change isn't technically implemented until there is reassurance that everything has been done with all affected tools and templates to ensure nothing breaks as a result of implementing the discussion's result. (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Holding_cell" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell">Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell</a>). In other words, as long as there's consensus to do this, the time it may take to implement such a change could take anywhere from seven days to the end of time; big changes like that aren't done haphazardly. Long story short, if you have not done so yet, I recommend participating in the TFD discussion so the closer knows and has an understanding that a straight up redirection is not the answer, and that the discussion should go to the holding cell after it is closed until all tools are updated in whatever fashion they need to be to resolve this. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)"><span style="color: #3F00FF;"><i><b>Steel1943</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Steel1943-20240923150600-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steel1943-20240923150600-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steel1943-20240923150600-Sohom_Datta-20240922233000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)-20240926104400"><span id="Let.27s_finally_fix_draftification.21_.28RfC.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)-20240926104400"></span>Let's finally fix draftification! (RfC)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)-20240926104400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Let's finally fix draftification! (RfC)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toadspike-20240926104400-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)"></span>I've created an RfC/proposal at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Fix_Draftification_with_a_new_template" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)">Village pump (idea lab)</a>. I would appreciate comments from NPPers, and I would really appreciate if someone could create the template I've proposed to solve the problem of draftification being a "backdoor to deletion". <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness: 10%;"><b>Toadspike</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Toadspike-20240926104400-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toadspike-20240926104400-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toadspike-20240926104400-Let's_finally_fix_draftification!_(RfC)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20240929115100-Toadspike-20240926104400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike">Toadspike</a>:</span> Don't keep repeating that statement that draftification is a "backdoor to deletion". It is not. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Scope_creep-20240929115100-Toadspike-20240926104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20240929115100-Toadspike-20240926104400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20240929115100-Toadspike-20240926104400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep">Scope creep</a> I’m sure Toadspike was not repeating it but quoting what was implied at RfA. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces" title="User talk:Vanderwaalforces">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100-Scope_creep-20240929115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100-Scope_creep-20240929115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20240929155200-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100"></span>It is a shibboleth, is destructive and it needs to stop. The processes need to be supported or they will fail. The continual undercuttin will take us back to 2012, even by accident and that will horse the whole project. It could be so easily done. The ACF/NPP processes arent perfect by any means, but as a product it has lead to an immeasurably better outcome for 100k's of articles for pretty much everybody, apart for the UPE crowd. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Scope_creep-20240929155200-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20240929155200-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20240929155200-Vanderwaalforces-20240929123100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toadspike-20240929175700-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep">Scope creep</a> As Vanderwaalforces pointed out, I do not agree with that phrase, I only mentioned it as a common criticism of draftification. I should have made that clearer. I hope it did not seem like I am part of the "continual undercuttin". I only meant to protect draftification from criticism by improving it. I did not mean destroy this very important part of NPP.</dd> <dd>The change I suggested had basically been made a day before I wrote the notice here. The switch to <a href="/wiki/Template:Draft_article" title="Template:Draft article">Template:Draft article</a> makes it trivially easy for new users to reverse draftification, and thus (in my opinion) very hard to argue that draftification is still a "backdoor to deletion". <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness: 10%;"><b>Toadspike</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Toadspike-20240929175700-Scope_creep-20240929115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toadspike-20240929175700-Scope_creep-20240929115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toadspike-20240929175700-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240929211700-Toadspike-20240929175700"></span>Just saw this, and will have a look at the discussion. I do want to state here for the record, that draftification is certainly <b>not</b> a "backdoor to deletion" - it is one of WP's procedures that actually can insure the integrity of the encyclopedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Netherzone-20240929211700-Toadspike-20240929175700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240929211700-Toadspike-20240929175700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240929211700-Toadspike-20240929175700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241005051200-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span>The phrase "backdoor to deletion" is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD-I" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD-I">part of Wikipedia policy</a>, supported by an RfC. The way it is used is to say that draftification <i>should not be</i> a backdoor to deletion—not that it intrinsically <i>is</i> a backdoor to deletion—which I assume is a sentiment we can all agree with. In other words, you should draftify things because you have a good faith belief that it might improve them, not because you want it to go away but don't want to follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DELPROC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DELPROC">deletion process</a>. I don't think following this policy is a threat to NPP. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe-20241005051200-Scope_creep-20240929115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241005051200-Scope_creep-20240929115100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241005051200-Scope_creep-20240929115100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Earwigs_Copyvio_tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool-20240928203400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool-20240928203400"></span>Earwigs Copyvio tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool-20240928203400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Earwigs Copyvio tool"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseywales1961-20240928203400-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool"></span>Is anyone else having problems with the above tool? - I'm lately frequently getting the error message in the screenshot below - annoying when you have a hunch that a new page is a copyvio but are unable to check it out. </p> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg/220px-Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="92" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg/330px-Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg/440px-Screenshot_Earwigs_Copyvio_error.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2586" data-file-height="1084"/></a><figcaption>Screenshot of error</figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Joseywales1961" title="User:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:green"><i>Josey Wales</i></span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseywales1961" title="User talk:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:#0000CD"><i>Parley</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joseywales1961-20240928203400-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseywales1961-20240928203400-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseywales1961-20240928203400-Earwigs_Copyvio_tool"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240928204000-Joseywales1961-20240928203400"></span>Yes, this is a chronic issue that the maintainers are aware of. For the time being you can continue with the check by unchecking the search engine option, which is what's causing the hold-up. <span class="nowrap">—<a href="/wiki/User:TechnoSquirrel69" title="User:TechnoSquirrel69"><span style="color: #0b541f;"><b>TechnoSquirrel69</b></span></a></span> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TechnoSquirrel69" title="User talk:TechnoSquirrel69"><span style="color: #0b541f;"><b>sigh</b></span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240928204000-Joseywales1961-20240928203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240928204000-Joseywales1961-20240928203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TechnoSquirrel69-20240928204000-Joseywales1961-20240928203400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday-20241002105300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday-20241002105300"></span>New AWB task added a thousand new redirects to the queue since yesterday<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday-20241002105300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: New AWB task added a thousand new redirects to the queue since yesterday"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPGuy2824-20241002105300-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday"></span>Relevant discussion: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB/Tasks#Long_list_of_isotope_redirects" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AWB/Tasks">WP:AWB/Tasks#Long list of isotope redirects</a>. Reviewing help will be appreciated. -<a href="/wiki/User:MPGuy2824" title="User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPGuy2824" title="User talk:MPGuy2824">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-MPGuy2824-20241002105300-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPGuy2824-20241002105300-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPGuy2824-20241002105300-New_AWB_task_added_a_thousand_new_redirects_to_the_queue_since_yesterday"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span>Are these all being created by one editor with AWB rights? Could this just be automatically approved by <a href="/wiki/User:DannyS712_bot_III" title="User:DannyS712 bot III">DannyS712 bot III</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500-MPGuy2824-20241002105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20241002155200-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500"></span>Tom.Reding is on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RAL">redirect autopatrol list</a>, but the bot doesn't always review redirects promptly for whatever reason and hasn't reviewed any in a week. <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-SilverLocust-20241002155200-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20241002155200-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20241002155200-Bobby_Cohn-20241002131500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100-SilverLocust-20241002155200"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">hasn't reviewed any in a week</q>. Sounds like the bot might be down. Cc @<a href="/wiki/User:DannyS712" title="User:DannyS712">DannyS712</a> –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100-SilverLocust-20241002155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100-SilverLocust-20241002155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100-SilverLocust-20241002155200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20241005065500-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100"></span>Temporarily taken up by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DreamRimmer_bot">DreamRimmer bot</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-SilverLocust-20241005065500-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20241005065500-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20241005065500-Novem_Linguae-20241002170100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241002175900-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span>I was able to tackle a good chunk of them the other day. In a similar vein there's a lot of new articles coming out that are just stubs of genes, if we get another wave I'll reach out to the author. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Dr_vulpes" title="User:Dr vulpes"><span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr_vulpes" title="User talk:Dr vulpes">(Talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Dr_vulpes-20241002175900-MPGuy2824-20241002105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241002175900-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr_vulpes-20241002175900-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CFA-20241002220600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span>All cleared for now. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:CFA" title="User:CFA"><span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style="color:#00c">C</span> <span style="color:red">F</span> <span style="color:#5ac18e">A</span></span></a> <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA" title="User talk:CFA">💬</a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-CFA-20241002220600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CFA-20241002220600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CFA-20241002220600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241005050600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span>Incidentally I granted autopatrolled to the creator yesterday, so we won't need DannyS712 bot to patrol their redirects from now on. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe-20241005050600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241005050600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241005050600-MPGuy2824-20241002105300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool-20241004235600"><span id="Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig.27s_Copyvio_Tool"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool-20241004235600"></span>Authentication is now required for search engine checks on Earwig's Copyvio Tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool-20241004235600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Authentication is now required for search engine checks on Earwig's Copyvio Tool"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chlod-20241004235600-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool"></span>Hello! As of <i>right now</i>, <a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/copyvios" class="extiw" title="toolforge:copyvios">Earwig's Copyvio Tool</a> will now require logging in with your Wikimedia account for search engine checks. This is an attempted solution at trying to curb bot scraping of the site, which rapidly depletes the available quota we have for Google searches. New checks will require you to log in first prior to running. This should not affect scripts like <a href="/wiki/User:DannyS712/copyvio-check.js" title="User:DannyS712/copyvio-check.js">User:DannyS712/copyvio-check.js</a>, which use the tool's <a class="external text" href="https://copyvios.toolforge.org/api">API</a>. You will also still keep getting "429: Too Many Requests" errors until the quota resets, around midnight <a href="/wiki/Pacific_Time" class="mw-redirect" title="Pacific Time">Pacific Time</a>, as we've run out of search engine checks for the day. If this broke something for you or if you're having issues in trying to authenticate, please let <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Earwig" title="User talk:The Earwig">The Earwig</a> or <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chlod" title="User talk:Chlod">me</a> know. Thanks! <span style="background:#ffff55"><i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Chlod" title="User:Chlod">Chlod</a></b></i></span> <small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chlod" title="User talk:Chlod">say hi!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Chlod-20241004235600-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chlod-20241004235600-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chlod-20241004235600-Authentication_is_now_required_for_search_engine_checks_on_Earwig's_Copyvio_Tool"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241005040900-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Glad to hear this. <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241005040900-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241005040900-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241005040900-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseywales1961-20241005122800-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Joseywales1961" title="User:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:green"><i>Josey Wales</i></span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseywales1961" title="User talk:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:#0000CD"><i>Parley</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joseywales1961-20241005122800-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseywales1961-20241005122800-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseywales1961-20241005122800-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KylieTastic-20241005142100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Good news, it's been frustrating having it mostly unavailable. <a href="/wiki/User:KylieTastic" title="User:KylieTastic">KylieTastic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KylieTastic" title="User talk:KylieTastic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-KylieTastic-20241005142100-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KylieTastic-20241005142100-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KylieTastic-20241005142100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kvng-20241005171100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Yay! Thanks! ~<a href="/wiki/User:Kvng" title="User:Kvng">Kvng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kvng" title="User talk:Kvng">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Kvng-20241005171100-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kvng-20241005171100-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kvng-20241005171100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241012175100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Yowzaaaaaah!!!! 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Timtrent-20241012175100-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241012175100-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241012175100-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PixDeVl-20241014211900-Chlod-20241004235600"></span>Awesome to hear, thanks a ton Chlod! <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:PixDeVl" title="User:PixDeVl"><span style="color:#ff00ae">PixDeVl</span></a> <span style="color:teal"><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PixDeVl" title="User talk:PixDeVl"><span style="color:#36d9c8"><s>yell</s> talk to me!</span></a></small></span></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-PixDeVl-20241014211900-Chlod-20241004235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PixDeVl-20241014211900-Chlod-20241004235600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PixDeVl-20241014211900-Chlod-20241004235600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions-20241009141600"><span id="Wikipedia:Village_pump_.28proposals.29.23Sortition_for_elevated_permissions"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions-20241009141600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions-20241009141600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NotAGenious-20241009141600-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions"></span>This proposal might be of interest. <a href="/wiki/User:NotAGenious" title="User:NotAGenious">NotAGenious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NotAGenious" title="User talk:NotAGenious">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-NotAGenious-20241009141600-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NotAGenious-20241009141600-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NotAGenious-20241009141600-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly" data-mw-thread-id="h-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly-20241011163500"><span id="Internet_Archive_is_down.2C_review_accordingly"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly-20241011163500"></span>Internet Archive is down, review accordingly<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly-20241011163500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Internet Archive is down, review accordingly"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20241011163500-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly"></span>For anyone not already aware, Internet Archive, including its Wayback Machine, is currently down following <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wired.com/story/internet-archive-hacked/">a DDoS attack and broader security breach</a>. This means that a lot of links to references that were working fine at the time of their writing are now broken, at least temporarily. Until their service is restored or we hear further news about the platform's future, we should avoid nominating articles with such broken links for deletion. </p><p>The Internet Archive situation is obviously very concerning for Wikipedia (and more broadly) beyond this one issue for us when reviewing articles, and we'll need to follow it closely as a community. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Rosguill-20241011163500-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20241011163500-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20241011163500-Internet_Archive_is_down,_review_accordingly"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20241011164300-Rosguill-20241011163500"></span>Centralized discussion about this topic can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Internet_Archive_hacked" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)">VPM</a> <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Rosguill-20241011164300-Rosguill-20241011163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20241011164300-Rosguill-20241011163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20241011164300-Rosguill-20241011163500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?-20241025205600"><span id="Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article.27s_history.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?-20241025205600"></span>Do NPPs need to check an article's history?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?-20241025205600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Do NPPs need to check an article's history?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?"></span>When reviewing a mainspace article, do NPPs need to check an article's history tab? It's not in any of our flowcharts, but it's at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">WP:NPP</a>. Context: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol&diff=prev&oldid=1253341323">[1]</a> –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600-Do_NPPs_need_to_check_an_article's_history?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241025210700-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span>More context- the original changes came shortly after a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces/Archives/2024/09_(September)#NPP_Copyright_checks_part_2">a disagreement over whether editors were expected to check the article history/read the article before reviewing it</a>. The incident has been taken care of very thoroughly, but I think the background is helpful to explain <i>why</i> Novem Linguae made the change, and to clarify that the change was not made without discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241025210700-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241025210700-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20241025210700-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseywales1961-20241025211000-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span>I think it's good practice to have a look at the article history, especially if from the back of the queue as there may be move/redirect warring activity going on there <a href="/wiki/User:Joseywales1961" title="User:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:green"><i>Josey Wales</i></span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseywales1961" title="User talk:Joseywales1961"><span style="color:#0000CD"><i>Parley</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joseywales1961-20241025211000-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseywales1961-20241025211000-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseywales1961-20241025211000-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241025213600-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span>I think checking the history is important. I'm not sure it makes sense in a flowchart, since I think Joe is right about it being part of many different stages, but it should be part of any kind of checklist, I think. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Asilvering-20241025213600-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241025213600-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241025213600-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026002400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span>I normally check if something is off or if the article is missing references or claims of notability. If I see a bunch of edits, or large chunks of material added or removed then I'll dig a little deeper. As @<a href="/wiki/User:Joseywales1961" title="User:Joseywales1961">Joseywales1961</a> said also if it's an older article I'll check it as well. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Dr_vulpes" title="User:Dr vulpes"><span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr_vulpes" title="User talk:Dr vulpes">(Talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Dr_vulpes-20241026002400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026002400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026002400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026042400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span>Checking page histories is useful for spotting a wide range of problems and is quick (most new articles have one page histories). For that reason I think it's good advice to make it part of your basic NPP workflow. It's not about what reviewers "need" or are "required" to do. Practically nothing on this page is mandatory in the sense that it should always be done on every page (this also goes for the section below about sourcing). – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Joe Roe (mobile)">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Joe Roe (mobile)">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026042400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026042400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026042400-Novem_Linguae-20241025205600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?-20241025210400"><span id="What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?-20241025210400"></span>What kind of source checks are required?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?-20241025210400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: What kind of source checks are required?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?"></span>When reviewing a mainspace article, what kind of source/reference/citation checks are required? Current wording at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">WP:NPP</a> is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Review (or at least spot check) the listed sources, where accessible</q>, which implies to me that we should be opening every source and checking its reliability. This is very different than my actual workflow, which is more like click open and review enough sources to figure out if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> or a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">WP:SNG</a> is passed, then leave the rest unchecked. Context: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol&diff=prev&oldid=1253341323">[2]</a> –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400-What_kind_of_source_checks_are_required?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241025213300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span>I think it should say something like "Review (or at least spot check) some of the listed sources, where accessible", to make it clear what spot check means (I assume the intent is "check only some", not "check only some of each source"). But I think it should also say something like "for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CV">WP:CV</a>" or something to make it clear about what you're supposed to be looking for. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Asilvering-20241025213300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241025213300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241025213300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026003300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span>I use you're script for highlighting sources as a quick check to see if it is reliable or not. For example if an article has green highlight on a peer reviewed paper I now it'll probably be fine. But that depends on the subject, one thing I see that flags an article in my mind is when I see green highlighted peer reviewed papers for a BLP. It's a lazy attempt to go and add some peer reviewed papers that a person was an author on and say "look notable!". I have another script (or maybe it's the same one) that'll flag obviously bad sources which is also helpful since when I spot check them I know really quickly it's probably not gonna fly. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Dr_vulpes" title="User:Dr vulpes"><span style="background:#4B0082; color:white;">Dr vulpes</span></a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dr_vulpes" title="User talk:Dr vulpes">(Talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Dr_vulpes-20241026003300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026003300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dr_vulpes-20241026003300-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026041800-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span>It's a hard to concisely enumerate what you're looking for when checking sources because as with page histories above there are many different types of problem that could jump out at you: sources that don't exist, unreliable sources, don't verify what they're supposed to, copyvios, link spamming, OR, overuse of primary sources, etc. etc. If you list just one of these (like checking for notability, which is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARTN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARTN">of dubious relevance</a> to begin with), you risk having reviewers tunnel-vision on that one thing. The purpose of this section is in any case to briefly state <i>how</i> to review new pages — <i>what</i> reviewers should be looking for is a much broader topic and is what most of the rest of the page covers. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Joe Roe (mobile)">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe_(mobile)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Joe Roe (mobile)">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026041800-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026041800-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe_(mobile)-20241026041800-Novem_Linguae-20241025210400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed-20241031014700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed-20241031014700"></span>FYI: Keyword searching coming to NewPagesFeed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed-20241031014700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: FYI: Keyword searching coming to NewPagesFeed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed"></span>Hi y'all, just wanted to give a heads up that starting next <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY">thursday</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">Special:NewPagesFeed</a> will get the ability to search through page snippets (thanks to work done by @<a href="/wiki/User:Rockingpenny4" title="User:Rockingpenny4">Rockingpenny4</a> as part of <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GSOC24" class="extiw" title="mw:GSOC24">Google Summer of Code 2024</a>). The feature is currently deployed <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed">on beta wiki</a>, thoughts and feedback are welcomed. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700-FYI:_Keyword_searching_coming_to_NewPagesFeed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FULBERT-20241031134300-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a> This sounds helpful. Thank you also @<a href="/wiki/User:Rockingpenny4" title="User:Rockingpenny4">Rockingpenny4</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:FULBERT" title="User:FULBERT">FULBERT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FULBERT" title="User talk:FULBERT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-FULBERT-20241031134300-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FULBERT-20241031134300-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FULBERT-20241031134300-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241031142400-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"></span>I can't even express how exciting this is to me. I've been using MPGuy's external NPP browser (toolforge) for key word searches for a while now. I typically point to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPSORT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPSORT">WP:NPPSORT</a> when recruiting recruiting and encouraging folks to give NPP a shot, telling them to work where they're familiar with first, so this is an extra feature that will make it much easier to dive in! <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241031142400-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241031142400-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241031142400-Sohom_Datta-20241031014700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower." data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower.-20241103211500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower.-20241103211500"></span>Redirect backlog is very low and getting lower.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower.-20241103211500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Redirect backlog is very low and getting lower."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://npptech.toolforge.org/npp/chart.php?type=unreviewedRedirects"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20241103211500-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower."></span>What a nice downward curve</a>. But any idea why? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Cremastra-20241103211500-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241103211500-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20241103211500-Redirect_backlog_is_very_low_and_getting_lower."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600-Cremastra-20241103211500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MPGuy2824" title="User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a> and I went hard at it during the backlog drive, and we've both continued to do so. We also had a significant amount of help from @<a href="/wiki/User:Blethering_Scot" title="User:Blethering Scot">Blethering Scot</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600-Cremastra-20241103211500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600-Cremastra-20241103211500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600-Cremastra-20241103211500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20241104210300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600"></span>Indeed: between the three of you and Dr vulpes, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Top_new_article_reviewers#Last_30_days" title="Wikipedia:Database reports/Top new article reviewers">you've reviewed more than 16,000 redirects in the last 30 days</a>, which is great work. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Cremastra-20241104210300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241104210300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20241104210300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104134600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104211200-Cremastra-20241104210300"></span>Shame on me for not giving Vulpes any credit! <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104211200-Cremastra-20241104210300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104211200-Cremastra-20241104210300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104211200-Cremastra-20241104210300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20241124154700-Cremastra-20241103211500"></span>I made a small push and managed to get it down to zero, at least for the moment. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> ‹ <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a> › <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Cremastra-20241124154700-Cremastra-20241103211500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241124154700-Cremastra-20241103211500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20241124154700-Cremastra-20241103211500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPP_school_teachers_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPP_school_teachers_needed-20241111174800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPP_school_teachers_needed-20241111174800"></span>NPP school teachers needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPP_school_teachers_needed-20241111174800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: NPP school teachers needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800-NPP_school_teachers_needed"></span>Hello all. Was wondering if anyone decently experienced (maybe >500 patrols) would be interested in being a teacher for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPSCHOOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPSCHOOL">WP:NPPSCHOOL</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a> recently filled all 3 of their slots, so we want to make sure we still have capacity for additional students. If interested let me know and I will set you up with more info. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800-NPP_school_teachers_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800-NPP_school_teachers_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800-NPP_school_teachers_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"></span>Also @<a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:Cassiopeia" title="User:Cassiopeia">Cassiopeia</a>, are you still active NPP school trainers, and is the "student slots available" column at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/School#Available_Trainers" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School">Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School#Available Trainers</a> up to date? –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zippybonzo-20241112075200-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000"></span>I am still happy to take students, however all the statistics are probably quite outdated so I'll update them now :) <a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zippybonzo" title="User talk:Zippybonzo"><small>talk</small></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo" title="Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo"><small>contribs</small></a> (they/them) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Zippybonzo-20241112075200-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zippybonzo-20241112075200-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zippybonzo-20241112075200-Novem_Linguae-20241111175000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cassiopeia-20241112004000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Zippybonzo" title="User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a>:</span>, I always have slot available and have been active since day one as I am the one who set up the program. Stay safe and best.<a href="/wiki/User:Cassiopeia" title="User:Cassiopeia"><b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b></a> <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cassiopeia" title="User talk:Cassiopeia"><span style="color:#FFF"><b>talk</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Cassiopeia-20241112004000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cassiopeia-20241112004000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cassiopeia-20241112004000-Novem_Linguae-20241111174800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC-20241115190600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC-20241115190600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation</a> has an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">RfC</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC-20241115190600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation has an RfC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJPMaster-20241115190600-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation</a></b> has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">discussion page</a></b>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:JJPMaster" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="/wiki/She_(pronoun)" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="/wiki/Singular_they" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-JJPMaster-20241115190600-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241115190600-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJPMaster-20241115190600-Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_has_an_RfC"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241117022700-JJPMaster-20241115190600"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#RfC:_Should_a_bot_be_created_to_handle_AfC_submissions_that_haven't_changed_since_the_last_time_they_were_submitted?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation § RfC: Should a bot be created to handle AfC submissions that haven't changed since the last time they were submitted?</a>— <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Jlwoodwa-20241117022700-JJPMaster-20241115190600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241117022700-JJPMaster-20241115190600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241117022700-JJPMaster-20241115190600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?-20241118154100"><span id="Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?-20241118154100"></span>Add <a href="/wiki/Category:Passed_DYK_nominations" title="Category:Passed DYK nominations">Passed DYK nominations</a> to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPEASY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPEASY">WP:NPPEASY</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?-20241118154100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Add Passed DYK nominations to WP:NPPEASY?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mach61-20241118154100-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?"></span>I moved <a href="/wiki/Joel_Ross_(vibraphonist)" title="Joel Ross (vibraphonist)">Joel Ross (vibraphonist)</a> to mainspace in June, the DYK nom for it was passed that same month, it appeared on the main page in July, and yet it wasn't patrolled until November. Since DYK requires more scrutiny than AfC, which is already on NPPEASY, I think passed DYK reviews should appear on that page. Any way to implement that? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Mach61-20241118154100-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20241118154100-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20241118154100-Add_Passed_DYK_nominations_to_WP:NPPEASY?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300-Mach61-20241118154100"></span>Courtesy ping @<a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a>. These should be tracked properly in <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Did_you_know_articles" title="Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles">Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles</a>, I'm just not sure when that CAT is implemented, if it's once nominated, approved, or posted. <a href="/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300-Mach61-20241118154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300-Mach61-20241118154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300-Mach61-20241118154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reconrabbit-20241118183300-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300"></span>The category <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Did_you_know_articles" title="Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles">Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles</a> is added by <a href="/wiki/Template:DYK_talk" title="Template:DYK talk">Template:DYK talk</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Article_history" title="Template:Article history">Template:Article history</a> when the latter includes a DYK entry (used when the article is also a good article). So, it only appears in the category after the article appears on the Main Page. <a href="/wiki/Category:Passed_DYK_nominations" title="Category:Passed DYK nominations">Category:Passed DYK nominations</a> will always include all of the DYK nominations that have passed review, regardless of if they have been on the main page or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Reconrabbit" title="User:Reconrabbit"><span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reconrabbit" title="User talk:Reconrabbit"><span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Reconrabbit-20241118183300-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reconrabbit-20241118183300-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reconrabbit-20241118183300-Bobby_Cohn-20241118181300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300-Reconrabbit-20241118183300"></span>This all seems like a good idea. I think the next step is for someone technical to write an SQL query that grabs unreviewed articles in <a href="/wiki/Category:Passed_DYK_nominations" title="Category:Passed DYK nominations">Category:Passed DYK nominations</a>, then boldly add it to the bottom of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reports/Easy_reviews" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports/Easy reviews">Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports/Easy reviews</a>. I'm busy today, so technical help with this is welcome. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300-Reconrabbit-20241118183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300-Reconrabbit-20241118183300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300-Reconrabbit-20241118183300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPGuy2824-20241119054600-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300"></span>A few of us had discussed this previously and it was felt that putting it in NPPEASY would be wrong. Anyway, while we discuss this out, there is a report with a slightly larger scope at <a href="/wiki/User:MPGuy2824/sandbox1" title="User:MPGuy2824/sandbox1">User:MPGuy2824/sandbox1</a> which includes the DYK-passes too. I (or someone else) will move it to the right place once we figure that out. -<a href="/wiki/User:MPGuy2824" title="User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPGuy2824" title="User talk:MPGuy2824">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-MPGuy2824-20241119054600-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPGuy2824-20241119054600-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPGuy2824-20241119054600-Novem_Linguae-20241118225300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119134700-MPGuy2824-20241119054600"></span>I think it ought to come with the same caveats that other lists at NPPEASY have, you should still check for copyvio, categories, tagging, etc. The idea being simply that it will probably be a quicker check if we assume someone has already had eyes on the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119134700-MPGuy2824-20241119054600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119134700-MPGuy2824-20241119054600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119134700-MPGuy2824-20241119054600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500-Mach61-20241118154100"></span>I actually oppose this being added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPEASY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPEASY">WP:NPPEASY</a>, for the reason that DYK noms are not inherently "easy"/easier and are no more likely to meet an existing notability guideline than any other article. The entries listed there are there because they're more likely to meet a guideline, or because they've been accepted at AfC. This is why I believe it makes more sense to list this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reports" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports">Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500-Mach61-20241118154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500-Mach61-20241118154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500-Mach61-20241118154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mach61-20241119143300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> Sure, articles merely <i>nominated</i> for DYK aren't easier, but passed DYK noms (which is what I suggested) have been subject to as much scrutiny as any article approved via AfC. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Mach61-20241119143300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20241119143300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20241119143300-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119141500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600-Mach61-20241119143300"></span>I'm not sure I agree with that @<a href="/wiki/User:Mach61" title="User:Mach61">Mach61</a>. AfC and NPP reviewers have a different level of experience and different goals than the users who are reviewing at DYK. Sure, there's been <i>some</i> scrutiny, but realistically they may be just trying to their QPQ done while verifying that the fact is in the article, not evaluating other issues that we may be. I do think it's worth reporting, hence why I think the Reports page is more appropriate, but I don't like the indication that these may be somehow easier to complete. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600-Mach61-20241119143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600-Mach61-20241119143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600-Mach61-20241119143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119173900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600"></span>You know what, I have to agree with Josh here. In an ideal world, a DYK review would likely indicate the article is halfway to being fully reviewed for NPP but given the concerns being continuously raised about the QPQ at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:DYK">WT:DYK</a>, I think it would be irresponsible to add that to the NPPEASY list. <a href="/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119173900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119173900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241119173900-Hey_man_im_josh-20241119143600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241119165100-Mach61-20241118154100"></span>It's a good idea but I'd be curious how many articles make it into the DYK queue before being reviewed. Even with our large backlog, the majority of articles are reviewed within a couple of days while DYK nominations often take weeks to process. My gut feeling is that <a href="/wiki/Joel_Ross_(vibraphonist)" title="Joel Ross (vibraphonist)">Joel Ross (vibraphonist)</a> was an exception. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe-20241119165100-Mach61-20241118154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241119165100-Mach61-20241118154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241119165100-Mach61-20241118154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JuniperChill-20241122193800-Joe_Roe-20241119165100"></span>The thing is, anyone can review a DYK, but only users with the NPP right can review an article. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKTIMEOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKTIMEOUT">WP:DYKTIMEOUT</a> means that noms are likely reviewed within two months which was added only a few months ago. But its true that DYK is stricter than a normal article plus only ~10% of new articles get nominated for DYK. <a href="/wiki/User:JuniperChill" title="User:JuniperChill">JuniperChill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JuniperChill" title="User talk:JuniperChill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-JuniperChill-20241122193800-Joe_Roe-20241119165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JuniperChill-20241122193800-Joe_Roe-20241119165100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JuniperChill-20241122193800-Joe_Roe-20241119165100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241125081600-JuniperChill-20241122193800"></span>Yeah but we're not talking about skipping review of these articles, just adding them to a list of probably-easy reviews. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Joe_Roe-20241125081600-JuniperChill-20241122193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241125081600-JuniperChill-20241122193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241125081600-JuniperChill-20241122193800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000-Mach61-20241118154100"></span>I'm not sure if NPPEASY is necessarily the right place, but it's worth finding some way to keep track of these so articles don't end up on the Main Page unreviewed and unindexed. (When people hear from their friends about something crazy from DYK, they should be able to find it on Google.) It's not a common situation, but I don't think it's rare either: for instance, <a href="/wiki/6th_National_Eucharistic_Congress_(United_States)" title="6th National Eucharistic Congress (United States)">this article</a> will be on the Main Page tomorrow and still hasn't been reviewed (though I'll take care of it momentarily). <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000-Mach61-20241118154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000-Mach61-20241118154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000-Mach61-20241118154100"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20241123105400-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"></span>Agree articles shouldn't be appearing on the Main Page without being reviewed first. Strongly disagree with suggestions that the DYK process has a higher level of scrutiny than AFC. In my experience, the emphasis at DYK is around the hook and in many cases if the article hasn't already been tagged for issues being a 'good read' seems to more important than compliance with policies/guidelines. The point above that NPP and AFC reviewers are more experienced than DYK reviewers in the areas we are looking at is very valid. Oppose successful DYK nominations being added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPPEASY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPPEASY">WP:NPPEASY</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20241123105400-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20241123105400-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20241123105400-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_B123-20241123113500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"></span>Edit to add, my comment above was not to put down DYK reviewers or the work they do. Their aim is to get an eye catching snippet on the Main Page which links through to an interesting article, similar to a newspaper editor choosing teasers to put on the front page/main page of the online edition. I'm sure they are just as diligent as NPP or AFC reviewers, but approach articles from a different angle and have different aims. --<a href="/wiki/User:John_B123" title="User:John B123">John B123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_B123" title="User talk:John B123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-John_B123-20241123113500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_B123-20241123113500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_B123-20241123113500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241123094000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124185500-John_B123-20241123113500"></span>Exactly, it's not a different quality of review perse, it's a review with an entirely different goal and focus. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124185500-John_B123-20241123113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124185500-John_B123-20241123113500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241124185500-John_B123-20241123113500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000-Mach61-20241118154100"></span>I don't think there's enough consensus here to add passed DYK nominations to WP:NPPEASY, so let's put it somewhere else. We can probably wrap up this thread. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000-Mach61-20241118154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000-Mach61-20241118154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000-Mach61-20241118154100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reports#Unreviewed_DYK/GA/FL/FA" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPGuy2824-20241125120700-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000"></span>Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports#Unreviewed DYK/GA/FL/FA</a> -<a href="/wiki/User:MPGuy2824" title="User:MPGuy2824">MPGuy2824</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPGuy2824" title="User talk:MPGuy2824">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-MPGuy2824-20241125120700-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPGuy2824-20241125120700-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPGuy2824-20241125120700-Novem_Linguae-20241125120000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241125122000-MPGuy2824-20241125120700"></span>Seems like a good spot for it. <a href="/wiki/User:Bobby_Cohn" title="User:Bobby Cohn">Bobby Cohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bobby_Cohn" title="User talk:Bobby Cohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Bobby_Cohn-20241125122000-MPGuy2824-20241125120700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241125122000-MPGuy2824-20241125120700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bobby_Cohn-20241125122000-MPGuy2824-20241125120700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Growth_Team_feature" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Growth_Team_feature-20241125045500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Growth_Team_feature-20241125045500"></span>New Growth Team feature<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Growth_Team_feature-20241125045500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: New Growth Team feature"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241125045500-New_Growth_Team_feature"></span>Hi NPP, since many of you are also recent changes patrollers, I thought I should mention here that we're going to be trialling a new Growth Team Feature starting on Monday. You may see some unusual newbie behaviour. They're not sockpuppets! They're the new accounts that are being introduced to the new <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link" class="extiw" title="mw:Help:Growth/Tools/Add a link">Add a link</a> task. You'll be able to identify these edits easily, since they'll be tagged like this: <b>(Tags: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor" title="Wikipedia:VisualEditor">Visual edit</a>, <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer Tasks">Newcomer task</a>, <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks#s-link" class="extiw" title="mediawikiwiki:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer Tasks">Suggested: add links</a>)</b>. It will also be possible to filter Recent Changes to see all edits suggested by this tool. </p><p>This feature helps spot likely places for new wikilinks and guides newcomers on how to add them and why. We're starting it really, really small - just 2% of all new accounts will get this feature in the first week - but the number will start rising over time. It should be a big improvement over the "add links" task we have now, which simply points newcomers at articles in <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_too_few_wikilinks" title="Category:Articles with too few wikilinks">Category:Articles with too few wikilinks</a>. If you've ever added <a href="/wiki/Template:Underlinked" title="Template:Underlinked">Template:Underlinked</a> to an article only to come back a few hours later and find it overlinked to hell and back by a horde of well-meaning newbies, this is why. This new task is smarter, so we shouldn't see that kind of problem. But if we do notice that newcomers are adding bad links too often, or too many links, we can tinker with various settings that will impact this behaviour. And if this causes some kind of horrible unforseen problem, we can pause the experiment at any time. </p><p>More information <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Growth_Team_features/Archive_7#A_new_feature_for_newcomers:_"Suggested_links"" title="Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Archive 7">here</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:GTF#Should_English_Wikipedia_enable_the_Suggested_Links_newcomer_task?" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:GTF">here</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Asilvering-20241125045500-New_Growth_Team_feature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241125045500-New_Growth_Team_feature"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241125045500-New_Growth_Team_feature"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updating_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updating_problem-20241126162400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updating_problem-20241126162400"></span>Updating problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updating_problem-20241126162400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Updating problem"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20241126162400-Updating_problem"></span>I don't know if anyone can look into this but <a href="/wiki/User:SDZeroBot/NPP_sorting/Culture/Biography/Women" title="User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/Culture/Biography/Women">User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/Culture/Biography/Women</a> has not been updated since 24 November. I find this a very useful way of checking out new articles on women rather than looking through the basic list of new articles.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Ipigott-20241126162400-Updating_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20241126162400-Updating_problem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20241126162400-Updating_problem"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000-Ipigott-20241126162400"></span>Pinging the bot operator, @<a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000-Ipigott-20241126162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000-Ipigott-20241126162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000-Ipigott-20241126162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000"></span>Toolforge bots have been unstable for the last 24 hours due to <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380844" class="extiw" title="phab:T380844">phab:T380844</a>. May or not be the root cause here, depending on when this started. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100-Hey_man_im_josh-20241126174000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20241127084000-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100"></span>See it's up any running again now. Thanks for your help.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Ipigott-20241127084000-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20241127084000-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20241127084000-Novem_Linguae-20241126213100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_yet_to_be_indexed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_yet_to_be_indexed-20241201151900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_yet_to_be_indexed-20241201151900"></span>Page yet to be indexed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_yet_to_be_indexed-20241201151900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Page yet to be indexed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Shahi_Jama_Masjid" title="Shahi Jama Masjid"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Upd_Edit-20241201151900-Page_yet_to_be_indexed"></span>Shahi Jama Masjid</a></b> - are there any issues? I will like to fix them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Upd_Edit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Upd Edit (page does not exist)">Upd Edit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Upd_Edit" title="User talk:Upd Edit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Upd_Edit-20241201151900-Page_yet_to_be_indexed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Upd_Edit-20241201151900-Page_yet_to_be_indexed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Upd_Edit-20241201151900-Page_yet_to_be_indexed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20241201154700-Upd_Edit-20241201151900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Upd_Edit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Upd Edit (page does not exist)">Upd Edit</a>, this article hasn't been marked as patrolled yet, so search engines aren't indexing it. If an article is less than 90 days old and hasn't been marked as patrolled, it won't show up in search engine results. But if a new page reviewer marks it as patrolled within this time, it will be indexed. Articles older than 90 days are automatically indexed, even if they remain unpatrolled. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><span style="color:black"><b>DreamRimmer</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer"><b>talk</b></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-DreamRimmer-20241201154700-Upd_Edit-20241201151900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20241201154700-Upd_Edit-20241201151900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20241201154700-Upd_Edit-20241201151900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Upd_Edit-20241201174800-DreamRimmer-20241201154700"></span>Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Upd_Edit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Upd Edit (page does not exist)">Upd Edit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Upd_Edit" title="User talk:Upd Edit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Upd_Edit-20241201174800-DreamRimmer-20241201154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Upd_Edit-20241201174800-DreamRimmer-20241201154700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Upd_Edit-20241201174800-DreamRimmer-20241201154700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="backdated_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-backdated_articles-20241204213600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-backdated_articles-20241204213600"></span>backdated articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-backdated_articles-20241204213600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: backdated articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-20241204213600-backdated_articles"></span>Hello. I was away from NPP/R for a few years. I am trying to start patrolling again. Today, I went to <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed" title="Special:NewPagesFeed">special:newpagesfeed</a>, and visited some articles. To my surprise, a lot of them were very old articles like <a href="/wiki/Operation_Krivaja_%2795" title="Operation Krivaja '95">Operation Krivaja '95</a>. It was created in May 2009. I went through the history, but that article was not deleted/recreated. I couldnt see any activity that would have included it in the unreviewed list. Why are a few articles like it being listed in the feed? What am I missing? —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Usernamekiran-20241204213600-backdated_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-20241204213600-backdated_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-20241204213600-backdated_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241204220500-Usernamekiran-20241204213600"></span>It was tagged as a "removed redirect" on November 2. Those are counted as new pages. <a href="/wiki/User:WikiOriginal-9" title="User:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><i><b>~WikiOriginal-9~</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiOriginal-9" title="User talk:WikiOriginal-9"><span style="color: blue"><b>talk</b></span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-WikiOriginal-9-20241204220500-Usernamekiran-20241204213600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241204220500-Usernamekiran-20241204213600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiOriginal-9-20241204220500-Usernamekiran-20241204213600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working" data-mw-thread-id="h-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working-20241208161700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working-20241208161700"></span>Selection of tag sections in curation seems to have stopped working<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working-20241208161700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Selection of tag sections in curation seems to have stopped working"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1227084136"><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br/><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381741" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T381741"><span class="trakfab-T381741"> Task T381741</span></a></span><br/><span class="tracked-closure tracked-resolved">Resolved</span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20241208161700-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working"></span>I first noticed it a couple days ago. In the curation tool, under tagging, the feature of selecting subsections seems to have stopped working. I've seen it on two different PC's and two different browsers. Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-North8000-20241208161700-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20241208161700-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20241208161700-Selection_of_tag_sections_in_curation_seems_to_have_stopped_working"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:North8000" title="User:North8000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400-North8000-20241208161700"></span>North8000</a>. All fixed. Thanks for reporting. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400-North8000-20241208161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400-North8000-20241208161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400-North8000-20241208161700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20241211214100-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400"></span>Novem Linguae</a> Cool. Just tried it, works great. <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#c-North8000-20241211214100-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20241211214100-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20241211214100-Novem_Linguae-20241211213400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AI_trust_paradox" data-mw-thread-id="h-AI_trust_paradox-20241215193800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AI_trust_paradox-20241215193800"></span><a href="/wiki/AI_trust_paradox" title="AI trust paradox">AI trust paradox</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AI_trust_paradox-20241215193800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: AI trust paradox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lord_Bolingbroke-20241215193800-AI_trust_paradox"></span>I'm on the edge about marking the above page as reviewed and could use a second pair of eyes on it. The article is heavily reliant on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.digitalhumanassistants.io/post/the-ai-trust-paradox-navigating-verisimilitude-in-advanced-language-models">this</a> self-published source, and I'm concerned that it contains original research. There does appear to be some academic coverage of the topic, for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10353804/">this</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375680911_The_paradox_of_trust_in_artificial_intelligence_and_its_rationale">this</a>. However, the definitions of the "AI trust paradox" in these sources seem to diverge – one defines it as a situation "in which individuals’ willingness to use AI-enabled technologies exceeds their level of trust in these capabilities" while the other seems to define it as a situation where AI users "ignore all the risks due to the usability of fast intelligent systems". Another <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/how-to-get-around-the-ai-trust-paradox-in-legal-practice">online source</a> describes the AI trust paradox as a situation where humans are less willing to trust AI-generated text because they can't have a shared set of experiences with AI like they could with a human author. My impression is that while there are a few matches for the phrase "AI trust paradox" in sources, it isn't a well defined topic yet. 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